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	<title>Comments on: McCain: &#8216;The Issue Of Economics Is Not Something I&#8217;ve Understood As Well As I Should&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: rosceaux</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/18/mccain-economy/comment-page-2/#comment-4260645</link>
		<dc:creator>rosceaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure what you folks are talking about?  Pot, meet kettle!   Call Bush a moron if you are still in 3rd grade, but you need to look in the mirror.

OK, so you probably think Bill Clinton was a decent President.  You are wrong...he set us back many years.  We are fortunate that we have Bush to avert the economic crisis course that Clinton worked so hard to put us on for eight years.  Yeah, right, Clinton gave us the strong economy...lol...lol...lol!!!!

Fact is that Reagan and Bush 1 were responsible for the policies that were put in place that gave us the strong economy of the 1990&#039;s.   And if you disagree, may I encourage you to look at where the economy was in 1980 before Reagan came into office.  Also, look at where it was headed in the last months of Billary&#039;s fiasco regime.  Pretty clear now, eh?

OK, so George W. Bush came into office as Bill left us in shambles, both in the economy and world order, i.e. terrorism.  Well, Bush dealt with both decisively.  I&#039;m sure the liberals would love to see everything go to hell in a handbasket, just to pour more hate onto our President and gain the power they so desire.  At least the Republicans never wished ill will upon our country just for political gain or to say nanny-nanny-boo-boo.  How childish and immature to have this shortsighted selfishness and hatred.

Get over it.  By the way, please inform me of the economic advantage that either Hillary or Barack provide related to McCain?  They are neophytes in the political policy arena and I don&#039;t see how you can claim superiority or equality on this issue at all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure what you folks are talking about?  Pot, meet kettle!   Call Bush a moron if you are still in 3rd grade, but you need to look in the mirror.</p>
<p>OK, so you probably think Bill Clinton was a decent President.  You are wrong&#8230;he set us back many years.  We are fortunate that we have Bush to avert the economic crisis course that Clinton worked so hard to put us on for eight years.  Yeah, right, Clinton gave us the strong economy&#8230;lol&#8230;lol&#8230;lol!!!!</p>
<p>Fact is that Reagan and Bush 1 were responsible for the policies that were put in place that gave us the strong economy of the 1990&#8217;s.   And if you disagree, may I encourage you to look at where the economy was in 1980 before Reagan came into office.  Also, look at where it was headed in the last months of Billary&#8217;s fiasco regime.  Pretty clear now, eh?</p>
<p>OK, so George W. Bush came into office as Bill left us in shambles, both in the economy and world order, i.e. terrorism.  Well, Bush dealt with both decisively.  I&#8217;m sure the liberals would love to see everything go to hell in a handbasket, just to pour more hate onto our President and gain the power they so desire.  At least the Republicans never wished ill will upon our country just for political gain or to say nanny-nanny-boo-boo.  How childish and immature to have this shortsighted selfishness and hatred.</p>
<p>Get over it.  By the way, please inform me of the economic advantage that either Hillary or Barack provide related to McCain?  They are neophytes in the political policy arena and I don&#8217;t see how you can claim superiority or equality on this issue at all!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4260645', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: thirdparty</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/18/mccain-economy/comment-page-2/#comment-4234439</link>
		<dc:creator>thirdparty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of the candidates on either side strike me as knowing much about economics. I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll all rely on advisers. 

That said, I think TP gets it wrong on the suggestion that McCain reversed course. They didn&#039;t share the entire quote from the SC debate, but following those remarks McCain said, &quot;This is a rough patch.&quot; That&#039;s the same as what he said the other day. 

The facts demonstrate that cutting corporate tax rates can both boost the economy and increase revenues, although not always. I think it&#039;s a good proposal. However, what any of the candidates say about the stimulus is basically irrelevant, since it may be &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/business/13econ.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;too little, too late&lt;/a&gt;for a fix to the economy&#039;s woes. 

Finally, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/opinion/14mon1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;as the Times&#039; editorial board argues,&lt;/a&gt; it isn&#039;t just the GOP that has been slow to address the economy. The Democrats &quot;have been slow off the mark, but theyâ€™re catching on,&quot; writes the Times&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of the candidates on either side strike me as knowing much about economics. I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll all rely on advisers. </p>
<p>That said, I think TP gets it wrong on the suggestion that McCain reversed course. They didn&#8217;t share the entire quote from the SC debate, but following those remarks McCain said, &#8220;This is a rough patch.&#8221; That&#8217;s the same as what he said the other day. </p>
<p>The facts demonstrate that cutting corporate tax rates can both boost the economy and increase revenues, although not always. I think it&#8217;s a good proposal. However, what any of the candidates say about the stimulus is basically irrelevant, since it may be <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/business/13econ.html" rel="nofollow">too little, too late</a>for a fix to the economy&#8217;s woes. </p>
<p>Finally, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/opinion/14mon1.html" rel="nofollow">as the Times&#8217; editorial board argues,</a> it isn&#8217;t just the GOP that has been slow to address the economy. The Democrats &#8220;have been slow off the mark, but theyâ€™re catching on,&#8221; writes the Times&#8217;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4234439', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TC-12</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/18/mccain-economy/comment-page-2/#comment-4234409</link>
		<dc:creator>TC-12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The coming &quot;Bush Recession.&quot;  Me rikey.  Gotta nice ring to it.
THE BUSH RECESSION
THE BUSH RECESSION
THE BUSH RECESSION
THE BUSH RECESSION
THE BUSH RECESSION</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The coming &#8220;Bush Recession.&#8221;  Me rikey.  Gotta nice ring to it.<br />
THE BUSH RECESSION<br />
THE BUSH RECESSION<br />
THE BUSH RECESSION<br />
THE BUSH RECESSION<br />
THE BUSH RECESSION<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4234409', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Gregor Samsa</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/18/mccain-economy/comment-page-2/#comment-4234247</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregor Samsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 05:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;The issue of economics is not something Iâ€™ve understood as well as I should,&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s ok, Mr. McCain. You can take consolation that neither do the people voting Republican. Which is the reason they vote the way they do to begin with...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The issue of economics is not something Iâ€™ve understood as well as I should,&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s ok, Mr. McCain. You can take consolation that neither do the people voting Republican. Which is the reason they vote the way they do to begin with&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4234247', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: 99Luf Balloons</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/18/mccain-economy/comment-page-2/#comment-4234049</link>
		<dc:creator>99Luf Balloons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 02:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;However, if he were to be elected president,&quot; 
Comment by missmolly&lt;/i&gt;

Never gonna happen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;However, if he were to be elected president,&#8221;<br />
Comment by missmolly</i></p>
<p>Never gonna happen<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4234049', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Keltoi at Night</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keltoi at Night</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Colonel, you were saying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Colonel, you were saying?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4233978', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Keltoi at Night</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/18/mccain-economy/comment-page-2/#comment-4233965</link>
		<dc:creator>Keltoi at Night</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republicans have been pushing tax cuts for the wealthy for 3 decades. During these three decades they also pushed through the largest tax INCREASE in history, the doubling of the Social Security Tax in 1983, but that was OK with conservatives because it was the working class that was paying and not the wealthy. 

Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper â€” January 18, 2008 @ 7:11 pm

Hmmmm....who was in charge of Congress in 83?  Was Tip O&#039;Neil a Republican?  That was a lot of beers ago, I guess it&#039;s possible.

BTW, SS is a government created benefit.  The wealthy don&#039;t need it, but still pay into it.  The &quot;working class&quot; (Oh, FEEL the dialectic nostalgia!) is the primary beneficiary of SS - why would the government just give them a pension if they HADN&#039;T paid into it?  That is why O&#039;Neil agreed to the hike - it was necessary and fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans have been pushing tax cuts for the wealthy for 3 decades. During these three decades they also pushed through the largest tax INCREASE in history, the doubling of the Social Security Tax in 1983, but that was OK with conservatives because it was the working class that was paying and not the wealthy. </p>
<p>Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper â€” January 18, 2008 @ 7:11 pm</p>
<p>Hmmmm&#8230;.who was in charge of Congress in 83?  Was Tip O&#8217;Neil a Republican?  That was a lot of beers ago, I guess it&#8217;s possible.</p>
<p>BTW, SS is a government created benefit.  The wealthy don&#8217;t need it, but still pay into it.  The &#8220;working class&#8221; (Oh, FEEL the dialectic nostalgia!) is the primary beneficiary of SS &#8211; why would the government just give them a pension if they HADN&#8217;T paid into it?  That is why O&#8217;Neil agreed to the hike &#8211; it was necessary and fair.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4233965', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Keltoi at Night</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/18/mccain-economy/comment-page-2/#comment-4233958</link>
		<dc:creator>Keltoi at Night</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This rhetorical game you conservatives play is getting very tired. Weâ€™ve all heard it before - if I say our policy in Iraq is a disaster, you accuse me of â€œrooting for defeat.â€ If I say our economic policy is a disaster, you accuse me of â€œrooting for a crash.â€ Nonsense.

Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper â€” January 18, 2008 @ 6:59 pm

It is a very unhappy situation that if the party in power oversees successful policies, the minority is glum and quiet, while if the opposite is true and America falters, the minority party is noisy and exultant.

You despise Bush and the Republicans.  You despise their policies.  I don&#039;t think you can write off the last 28 years of supply-side economics as uniformly bad - lots of people have made good livings in the US since 1980.  Things weren&#039;t so great 1976-1980 from an economic standpoint.

I think the greatest mistake we make is to think the President controls the economy.  The forces at work in this global economy, with technology mutating the whole equation faster and faster year after year, no human being or institution can control it.  Things have changed since Teddy Roosevelt, Colonel.

All that said, I do have a terrible feeling about the economy.  Nominate your candidate well, Democrats....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This rhetorical game you conservatives play is getting very tired. Weâ€™ve all heard it before &#8211; if I say our policy in Iraq is a disaster, you accuse me of â€œrooting for defeat.â€ If I say our economic policy is a disaster, you accuse me of â€œrooting for a crash.â€ Nonsense.</p>
<p>Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper â€” January 18, 2008 @ 6:59 pm</p>
<p>It is a very unhappy situation that if the party in power oversees successful policies, the minority is glum and quiet, while if the opposite is true and America falters, the minority party is noisy and exultant.</p>
<p>You despise Bush and the Republicans.  You despise their policies.  I don&#8217;t think you can write off the last 28 years of supply-side economics as uniformly bad &#8211; lots of people have made good livings in the US since 1980.  Things weren&#8217;t so great 1976-1980 from an economic standpoint.</p>
<p>I think the greatest mistake we make is to think the President controls the economy.  The forces at work in this global economy, with technology mutating the whole equation faster and faster year after year, no human being or institution can control it.  Things have changed since Teddy Roosevelt, Colonel.</p>
<p>All that said, I do have a terrible feeling about the economy.  Nominate your candidate well, Democrats&#8230;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4233958', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jackie</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/18/mccain-economy/comment-page-2/#comment-4233938</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush knows nothing about economy as was shown with all his failed business given to him by his Daddy. Now old man McCain is clue less.  The Saudi King really hopes a Republican gets in office it will be so easy to take over the USA.  The example of how stupid Americans are was shown in Michigan when Mitt promised to bring back the car industry and the next day the ex Michigan Congressman was indicted for funding Terrorist. Rev. Huck shows a floating cross aka bookshelf then lies and says if anyone saw a flying cross it was God&#039;s will.  Rome fell and now the USA will fall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush knows nothing about economy as was shown with all his failed business given to him by his Daddy. Now old man McCain is clue less.  The Saudi King really hopes a Republican gets in office it will be so easy to take over the USA.  The example of how stupid Americans are was shown in Michigan when Mitt promised to bring back the car industry and the next day the ex Michigan Congressman was indicted for funding Terrorist. Rev. Huck shows a floating cross aka bookshelf then lies and says if anyone saw a flying cross it was God&#8217;s will.  Rome fell and now the USA will fall.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4233938', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: civil behavior</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/18/mccain-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-4233922</link>
		<dc:creator>civil behavior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldnâ€™t you like to know where Dick Cheney puts his money? 

Well, as it turns out, Kiplinger Magazine ran an article based on Cheneyâ€™s financial disclosure statement and, sure enough, found out that the VP is lying to the American people for the umpteenth time. Deficits do matter and Cheney has invested his money accordingly.
T
he article is called â€œCheneyâ€™s betting on bad newsâ€ and provides an account of where Cheney has socked away more than $25 million. While the figures may be estimates, the investments are not. According to Tom Blackburn of the Palm Beach Post, Cheney has invested heavily in â€œa fund that specializes in short-term municipal bonds, a tax-exempt money market fund and an inflation protected securities fund. The first two hold up if interest rates rise with inflation. The third is protected against inflation.â€

Cheney has dumped another (estimated) $10 to $25 million in a European bond fund which tells us that he is counting on a steadily weakening dollar. So, while working class Americans are loosing ground to inflation and rising energy costs, Darth Cheney will be enhancing his wealth in â€œOld Europeâ€. 

This should put to rest once and for all the foolish notion that the â€œBush Economic Planâ€ is anything more than a scam aimed at looting the public till. The whole deal is intended to shift the nationâ€™s wealth from one class to another. Itâ€™s also clear that Bush-Cheney couldnâ€™t have carried this off without the tacit approval of the thieves at the Federal Reserve who engineered the low-interest rate boondoggle to put the American people to sleep while they picked their pockets.

Reasonable people can dispute that Bush is â€œintentionallyâ€ skewering the dollar with his lavish tax cuts, but how does that explain Cheneyâ€™s portfolio?

It doesnâ€™t. And, one thing we can say with certainty is that Cheney would never plunk his money into an investment that wasnâ€™t a sure thing. If Cheney is counting on the dollar tanking and interest rates going up, then, by Gawd, thatâ€™s whatâ€™ll happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldnâ€™t you like to know where Dick Cheney puts his money? </p>
<p>Well, as it turns out, Kiplinger Magazine ran an article based on Cheneyâ€™s financial disclosure statement and, sure enough, found out that the VP is lying to the American people for the umpteenth time. Deficits do matter and Cheney has invested his money accordingly.<br />
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he article is called â€œCheneyâ€™s betting on bad newsâ€ and provides an account of where Cheney has socked away more than $25 million. While the figures may be estimates, the investments are not. According to Tom Blackburn of the Palm Beach Post, Cheney has invested heavily in â€œa fund that specializes in short-term municipal bonds, a tax-exempt money market fund and an inflation protected securities fund. The first two hold up if interest rates rise with inflation. The third is protected against inflation.â€</p>
<p>Cheney has dumped another (estimated) $10 to $25 million in a European bond fund which tells us that he is counting on a steadily weakening dollar. So, while working class Americans are loosing ground to inflation and rising energy costs, Darth Cheney will be enhancing his wealth in â€œOld Europeâ€. </p>
<p>This should put to rest once and for all the foolish notion that the â€œBush Economic Planâ€ is anything more than a scam aimed at looting the public till. The whole deal is intended to shift the nationâ€™s wealth from one class to another. Itâ€™s also clear that Bush-Cheney couldnâ€™t have carried this off without the tacit approval of the thieves at the Federal Reserve who engineered the low-interest rate boondoggle to put the American people to sleep while they picked their pockets.</p>
<p>Reasonable people can dispute that Bush is â€œintentionallyâ€ skewering the dollar with his lavish tax cuts, but how does that explain Cheneyâ€™s portfolio?</p>
<p>It doesnâ€™t. And, one thing we can say with certainty is that Cheney would never plunk his money into an investment that wasnâ€™t a sure thing. If Cheney is counting on the dollar tanking and interest rates going up, then, by Gawd, thatâ€™s whatâ€™ll happen.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4233922', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/18/mccain-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-4233910</link>
		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite McCain crackpot &quot;the world is flat&quot; moment:

&quot;Tax cuts increase revenue..... and they must be offset by spending cuts!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite McCain crackpot &#8220;the world is flat&#8221; moment:</p>
<p>&#8220;Tax cuts increase revenue&#8230;.. and they must be offset by spending cuts!&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4233910', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republicans have been pushing tax cuts for the wealthy for 3 decades. During these three decades they also pushed through the largest tax INCREASE in history, the doubling of the Social Security Tax in 1983, but that was OK with conservatives because it was the working class that was paying and not the wealthy. Now, in response to the current recession which, no matter what they say, is in danger of turning into a full-blown depression, Bush&#039;s answer is..... tax cuts for the wealthy!

Face it, conservatives. Your modern conservative/libertarian movement is through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans have been pushing tax cuts for the wealthy for 3 decades. During these three decades they also pushed through the largest tax INCREASE in history, the doubling of the Social Security Tax in 1983, but that was OK with conservatives because it was the working class that was paying and not the wealthy. Now, in response to the current recession which, no matter what they say, is in danger of turning into a full-blown depression, Bush&#8217;s answer is&#8230;.. tax cuts for the wealthy!</p>
<p>Face it, conservatives. Your modern conservative/libertarian movement is through.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4233903', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/18/mccain-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-4233898</link>
		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keltoi, I&#039;m not rooting for anything but progressive policies. I&#039;m just reminding everyone of history. I&#039;m reminding them of what ALWAYS happens when you don&#039;t regulate capitalism. When capitalism goes unregulated, it always evolves into monopoly and corruption. As the Father of Capitalism reminded us in Wealth of Nations, for a society to function properly, capitalism MUST be regulated. If anything, I&#039;m trying to remind people that there is room for optimism. Every time we&#039;ve had an era like this, it hasn&#039;t worked, but we&#039;ve come through it stronger by reacting with strong progressive policy. 

This rhetorical game you conservatives play is getting very tired. We&#039;ve all heard it before - if I say our policy in Iraq is a disaster, you accuse me of &quot;rooting for defeat.&quot; If I say our economic policy is a disaster, you accuse me of &quot;rooting for a crash.&quot; Nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keltoi, I&#8217;m not rooting for anything but progressive policies. I&#8217;m just reminding everyone of history. I&#8217;m reminding them of what ALWAYS happens when you don&#8217;t regulate capitalism. When capitalism goes unregulated, it always evolves into monopoly and corruption. As the Father of Capitalism reminded us in Wealth of Nations, for a society to function properly, capitalism MUST be regulated. If anything, I&#8217;m trying to remind people that there is room for optimism. Every time we&#8217;ve had an era like this, it hasn&#8217;t worked, but we&#8217;ve come through it stronger by reacting with strong progressive policy. </p>
<p>This rhetorical game you conservatives play is getting very tired. We&#8217;ve all heard it before &#8211; if I say our policy in Iraq is a disaster, you accuse me of &#8220;rooting for defeat.&#8221; If I say our economic policy is a disaster, you accuse me of &#8220;rooting for a crash.&#8221; Nonsense.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4233898', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/18/mccain-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-4233896</link>
		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>johnfive: &quot;Former presidents Jefferson and Jackson believed a central bank is not only unconstitutional but also causes inflation by printing money with no backing causing US citizens to issue T-bills to support the created money.&quot;

Here&#039;s a thought: why don&#039;t we TAX the wealthy instead of borrowing money from them through T-bills. That&#039;s the way we did it in the 40&#039;s, 50&#039;s, 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s. That&#039;s why we had prosperity and the strongest middle class in history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>johnfive: &#8220;Former presidents Jefferson and Jackson believed a central bank is not only unconstitutional but also causes inflation by printing money with no backing causing US citizens to issue T-bills to support the created money.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a thought: why don&#8217;t we TAX the wealthy instead of borrowing money from them through T-bills. That&#8217;s the way we did it in the 40&#8217;s, 50&#8217;s, 60&#8217;s and 70&#8217;s. That&#8217;s why we had prosperity and the strongest middle class in history.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4233896', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Keltoi at Night</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/18/mccain-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-4233895</link>
		<dc:creator>Keltoi at Night</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, after 28 years of â€œsupply-sideâ€ bullshit, weâ€™re going to get the â€œpanic of 2008â€³ which will lead to another era of progressive, liberal policies - universal healthcare, campaign finance, regulations on corporate power, renewable energy, etc. etc. 

Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper â€” January 18, 2008 @ 6:42 pm

Gee, Col. Jack, you almost sound like you are rooting for a crash.  If there is no crash, your era of progressive, liberal policies won&#039;t happen...I am sure you don&#039;t want the economy to tank for political reasons, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, after 28 years of â€œsupply-sideâ€ bullshit, weâ€™re going to get the â€œpanic of 2008â€³ which will lead to another era of progressive, liberal policies &#8211; universal healthcare, campaign finance, regulations on corporate power, renewable energy, etc. etc. </p>
<p>Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper â€” January 18, 2008 @ 6:42 pm</p>
<p>Gee, Col. Jack, you almost sound like you are rooting for a crash.  If there is no crash, your era of progressive, liberal policies won&#8217;t happen&#8230;I am sure you don&#8217;t want the economy to tank for political reasons, though.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4233895', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/18/mccain-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-4233887</link>
		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the late 1800&#039;s, we had the &quot;robber baron&quot; era. That led to the various &quot;panics&quot; of the 1890&#039;s, which led to Teddy Roosevelt&#039;s progressive era of child labor laws, progressive taxation, inheritance taxes and conservation of natural resources. In the &quot;roaring 20&#039;s&quot; we had another era of unbridled, unregulated corporate power which led to the crash and the great republican depression, which led to the New Deal - the New Deal created the strongest middle class in American history. Now, after 28 years of &quot;supply-side&quot; bullshit, we&#039;re going to get the &quot;panic of 2008&quot; which will lead to another era of progressive, liberal policies - universal healthcare, campaign finance, regulations on corporate power, renewable energy, etc. etc. 

And sociopaths like Muckdog will be whining all the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the late 1800&#8217;s, we had the &#8220;robber baron&#8221; era. That led to the various &#8220;panics&#8221; of the 1890&#8217;s, which led to Teddy Roosevelt&#8217;s progressive era of child labor laws, progressive taxation, inheritance taxes and conservation of natural resources. In the &#8220;roaring 20&#8217;s&#8221; we had another era of unbridled, unregulated corporate power which led to the crash and the great republican depression, which led to the New Deal &#8211; the New Deal created the strongest middle class in American history. Now, after 28 years of &#8220;supply-side&#8221; bullshit, we&#8217;re going to get the &#8220;panic of 2008&#8243; which will lead to another era of progressive, liberal policies &#8211; universal healthcare, campaign finance, regulations on corporate power, renewable energy, etc. etc. </p>
<p>And sociopaths like Muckdog will be whining all the way.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4233887', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/18/mccain-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-4233881</link>
		<dc:creator>Ret. Col. Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice try, muckdog. Amazing how conservatives will absolutely NEVER assume responsibility for ANYTHING wrong. The collapse of the dollar, the trade deficit, the declining middle class, the unprecidented difference between rich and poor, the collapse of our manufacturing, the unprecidented debt and deficit and the fact that we are now the world&#039;s biggest debtor nation are all the result of the modern conservative/libertarian movement. In 1980, we were the world&#039;s biggest creditor nation. Then came Reagan, and 28 years later, we are the biggest debtor nation in the world. You can torture the data all you like, but your movement is OVER. Nobody is buying your lame attempt to, as usual, blame Democrats for everything.

My favorite whining, simpering remark of yours: &quot;Bush has been at the mercy of Congress when it comes to the market and economy.&quot;

Right. Come November, you can have a good cry and shut the hell up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice try, muckdog. Amazing how conservatives will absolutely NEVER assume responsibility for ANYTHING wrong. The collapse of the dollar, the trade deficit, the declining middle class, the unprecidented difference between rich and poor, the collapse of our manufacturing, the unprecidented debt and deficit and the fact that we are now the world&#8217;s biggest debtor nation are all the result of the modern conservative/libertarian movement. In 1980, we were the world&#8217;s biggest creditor nation. Then came Reagan, and 28 years later, we are the biggest debtor nation in the world. You can torture the data all you like, but your movement is OVER. Nobody is buying your lame attempt to, as usual, blame Democrats for everything.</p>
<p>My favorite whining, simpering remark of yours: &#8220;Bush has been at the mercy of Congress when it comes to the market and economy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Right. Come November, you can have a good cry and shut the hell up.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4233881', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: muckdog</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/18/mccain-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-4233872</link>
		<dc:creator>muckdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#39 &lt;i&gt;Correlation does not equal causation.&lt;/i&gt;

So you don&#039;t believe the economy does better with a Democrat at President, either.  

Glad to get you on record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#39 <i>Correlation does not equal causation.</i></p>
<p>So you don&#8217;t believe the economy does better with a Democrat at President, either.  </p>
<p>Glad to get you on record.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4233872', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: cha cha cha</title>
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		<dc:creator>cha cha cha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this headline would also be true:  &quot;Roger_Roger: â€˜The Issue Of Economics Is Not Something Iâ€™ve Understood As Well As I Shouldâ€™&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this headline would also be true:  &#8220;Roger_Roger: â€˜The Issue Of Economics Is Not Something Iâ€™ve Understood As Well As I Shouldâ€™&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4233767', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lupeyg2</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/18/mccain-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-4233757</link>
		<dc:creator>Lupeyg2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To: Morondog

From: Anybody that understands causative versus correlational relationships

Correlation does not equal causation.

Thanks you.

&lt;em&gt;cross-posted from the same place you last posted this drivel, suckdog&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To: Morondog</p>
<p>From: Anybody that understands causative versus correlational relationships</p>
<p>Correlation does not equal causation.</p>
<p>Thanks you.</p>
<p><em>cross-posted from the same place you last posted this drivel, suckdog</em><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4233757', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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