Following Podhoretz’s Lead, Right Wing Continues Push For ‘Bombing Campaign’ Against Iran ‘Now’
Following Podhoretz’s Lead, Right Wing Continues Push For ‘Bombing Campaign’ Against Iran ‘Now’
In the June 2007 issue of Commentary, neoconservative icon Norman Podhoretz laid out “The Case for Bombing Iran,” in which he argued that “the only prudent–indeed, the only responsible–course” is to “strike” Iran “as soon as it is logistically possible.” Though the recent NIE has slowed down hawkish belligerence towards Iran a bit, Podhoretz is still arguing that President Bush should take “military action” against Iran “soon.”
In a new article for Commentary, titled “Stopping Iran: Why the Case for Military Action Still Stands,” he argues that Bush should commence with a “bombing campaign”:
Iran can still be stopped from getting the bomb and even more millions of lives can be saved–but only provided that we summon up the courage to see what is staring us in the face and then act on what we see.
Podhoretz isn’t alone in his desire to keep pushing for an attack on Iran. Ever since Podhoretz’s recent article was released online, right-wing radio host Hugh Hewitt has been promoting it, encouraging his audience to “read the whole thing. Twice.” Hewitt has also been asking his guests, including New York Times columnist William Kristol, if they agree with Podhoretz’s assessment. Scarily, they do.
HEWITT: Bill Kristol, do you think it is possible, not even likely, but just possible that the Bush administration will take military action against Iran in their last year?
KRISTOL: I think it’s possible. I think people were a little too quick after that National Intelligence Estimate came out, which was, I think, an attempt by the intelligence agencies to prevent the Bush administration from sort of seriously considering taking action. And I think people were too quick to say ooh, that rules it out, you know, they’re just paralyzed for the next year.
If we had a CIA that actually did anything, as opposed to sitting around Langley reading e-mail all day, we would be able to do that. But because we haven’t done that, the bombing option is becoming the only one that will be left, if not for this president, then for somebody.
Hewitt brought Podhoretz on his show yesterday, where he explicitly endorsed bombing Iran “now”:
HEWITT: Do you think President Bush needs to authorize air strikes against Iran now?
PODHORETZ: Yes, I do. The question is whether he will, although I thought, I was pretty confident that he would before the National Intelligence Estimate came out in early December. I still think in the end, he will order air strikes before he leaves office. But I am, as the NIE would say, I offer that prediction now with only low to moderate confidence.
HH: Well, I agree with your assessment of what has to happen.
With their desire to bomb Iran undeterred by the NIE, Hewitt and company are presumably pleased with President Bush’s repeated efforts to distance himself from the report.
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If we had a CIA that actually did anything, as opposed to sitting around Langley reading e-mail all day, we would be able to do that.
If we had a real leader, instead of a dufus chickenhawk who hadn’t outed the CIA operative who was working Iran, we’d know a hell of a lot more about what’s really going on there.
I hope the chympCo decides to leave it to the next administration, who will hopefully show some common sense and work with Russia and China to deal with this issue.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:35 amWHO is hugh hewitt? and WHY does he matter?
seriously now… how do we get ahold of laura?
she needs to sit her boy down and set him straight.
LAURA! please! HELP STOP THIS MADNESS!!!
don’t you want to enjoy your grandbabies?
i know I do!
PLEASE!
January 18th, 2008 at 11:37 amyep, RU … i’m convinced they outed plame to destroy the information and make it easier to make these devilish plans…
may the rot in whatever hell they deserve…
January 18th, 2008 at 11:39 amFord had his W.I.N. buttons. — Whip Inflation Now
Bush will have his B.I.N. buttons — Bomb Iran Now.
I honestly can’t say which sequel I am looking forward to more:
January 18th, 2008 at 11:43 amWorld War III or Great Depression II.
Good ol’ Stormin’ Norman “What’s a Kurd?” Podhoretz. By the way, little known fact but the name Podhoretz was shortened many years ago to the more familiar, Putz.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:43 amIf we had a CIA that actually did anything, as opposed to sitting around Langley reading e-mail all day, we would be able to do that.
Perhaps if we hadn’t outed the CIA’s cover organization that gathered intelligence on Iranian nuclear capabilities (and the undercover agent who managed it) we would have had more viable, actionable intelligence on Iran and would have known that these clowns’ rhetoric was nothing but bloviating and warmongering sooner. Coincidence? I think not!
These “experts” like Podhoretz and, in particular, William “the Bloody” Kristol that keep getting trotted out by the media and held up as experts and scholars after having been horribly wrong about everything are starting to piss me off! I think that if Podhoretz and Kristol, both self-avowed patriots, are so concerned about the US facing this menace that is the Iranian regime’s alleged ambitions (that they have zero evidence to support), they should lead the charge and travel to Tehran to sell the Iranian people (who they think will support a US attack of their country) on the idea of our attacking them.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:46 amMy theory is that the neocons never truly renounced their early commitment to communism, but only pretended to do so. In reality, they are doing their best to destroy this country the way the Soviet Union was ultimately destroyed — by overextending the military and crippling the economy. Podhoretz is answering to his masters, buried deep in Moscow (not Idaho) and doing his best to destroy the US this year, before a president with a brain appears to thwart him.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:47 amDo they ever consider the lives of those they end when they start dropping bombs? And knowing the raging —– — this president has for death and destruction what makes anyone think that he will only stop at the nuclear sites? What’s to stop him from obliterating Tehran? Furthermore, if they do bomb the nuclear sites, have they considered the resulting clouds of radioactive dust that will be sent up, which will end up raining down on people, crops…?
January 18th, 2008 at 11:47 am#1. Great minds think alike apparently RU =)
January 18th, 2008 at 11:47 amSince WW111 will probably include nuk-lur weapons, their probably won’t be many people left to enjoy the Great Depression 2.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:48 amwho’s holding the stoppers to the start of a nightmare beyond our comprehension…?
And, yes, I DO take it personally
January 18th, 2008 at 11:49 amtheir-there
January 18th, 2008 at 11:50 amIts amazing how the media continues to gloss over the fact that, regardless of who’s culpable in the Plame affair, that by blowing her cover, the United States lost a valuable intelligence link into Iran. And so the data that we are now forced to rely on is not as good as it should have been.
I’m sure that it was just a coincidence that the one person who could have found intel that would confirm or refute the NIE was the one person who was outed… and that one person just happened to be the wife of a political foe. I bet that the current regime thought it was their birthdays when they saw the stars align for that little bit of dirty politics.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:51 amThey want armageddon badly, they want world war III, they want to destroy what is left of our economy, they just want blood to flow any way they can.
Repukes make me sick because they are so freaking sick in the head.
Buck Fush
January 18th, 2008 at 11:54 am“Somebody” = Israel
January 18th, 2008 at 11:57 amgreen917 :>}
January 18th, 2008 at 11:57 amThe case for carpet bombing Pod, Kristol, & the AEI.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:58 amI don’t see anyone in congress guaranteeing impeachment upon the unauthorized, unilateral military action by BushitCo…
January 18th, 2008 at 12:00 pmThey want armageddon badly, they want world war III, they want to destroy what is left of our economy, they just want blood to flow any way they can.
Repukes make me sick because they are so freaking sick in the head.
Buck Fush
Comment by Buckie Boy
I would have disregarded this statement as fringe a few years ago but I have had to quit 2 doctors lately because they went on right wing rants while I was paying for a doctors visit. Do we have any democrat doctors anymore or are they all in it just for the money? Either way they are going to have to snap out of it…..
January 18th, 2008 at 12:03 pmLet me get this straight. We suspect that Iraq has WMDs. Inspectors report that Iraq has no WMDs. We bomb Iraq anyway. Years later, we still haven’t found WMDs. In the meantime, we have gotten bogged down in an expensive quagmire, destablized a key country in the Middle East, tied up valuable military personnel and equipment, put our national debt into the stratosphere, enabled more terrorists to be recruited, and have earned the contempt of the world.
We suspect that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. A report developed by several intelligence agencies says that Iran is no longer developing nuclear weapons. So if we bomb Iran, why do the idiots in charge think the result will be any different?
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:06 pmAny sane person can clearly see that the neo-conservative agenda is treasonous to the United States. It would cripple our allready over stretched military and hobble our allready limping economy not to mention putting us even poorer standing with our allies and cost us more American blood. Their agenda also has NO BASE in actual facts. If they or our esteemed Administration had even ONE shred of evidence to back up their claims of either an Iranian nuclear weapons program OR the Iranian Armys meddling in Iraq we’d had heard and seen it long ago. That Bush/Cheney spend so much time listening to and pushing the agenda of these completely misguided terrorists known as the neocons and sending out their minions to preach the word to complicit news organizations in direct defiance of the will of the American people, the military commanders, the majority in both houses of Congress, our foreign allies and our intelligence community should be more than the proof needed to charge our President and our Vice President with treason or begin impeachment hearings.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:06 pmIn the meantime, GDumbya goes on TV this morning to babble about an economic stimulus package . . . and the market tanks again.
Somebody please send this imbecile back to the Middle East to jaw-bone his Saudi butt-buddies about oil prices. If he hadn’t started his dirty little avoidable war in Iraq, there would be less “risk premium” in oil prices and he’d have less of a problem on his hands right now.
All this moron seems able to do is burn the toast and scrape it, burn the toast and scrape it, burn the toast and scrape it. Over and over and over again.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:07 pmInsanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Comment by missmolly — January 18, 2008 @ 12:06 pm
See “Frank M” for more information…
January 18th, 2008 at 12:07 pmhowabout we mail the Iranians a buch of little plastic fetuses instead.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:09 pmI see that the warmongering Neanderthals like Frankie are here to pollute the threads. Why aren’t these asswipes in the army?
January 18th, 2008 at 12:10 pmHey, frank m. You are sure one tree short of a hammock, skid-mark!
What Fred probably expects is that doctors will show more interest in his symptoms, diagnosis and treatment than they exhibit for the dithering neo-cons who are ruining this country. Since he is paying for the doctor’s time, I don’t think that this is too much to expect.
Do you?
January 18th, 2008 at 12:11 pmAnd of course the NIE was not just written by the CIA but by all the US intelligence agencies–who Mark Steyn feels are do-nothing poopyheads who are not doing their jobs.
And of course this is not treason, but criticizing the Preznit is.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:12 pm#19: What the heck? You expect your doctors to be of a particular political affiliation?
Comment by Frank M
Didn’t use to but now I do…..sorry(not)if that offends you but I would like someone with a little compassion for my doctor.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:12 pmWhat quagmire? If we just bomb the crap out of them, there won’t be any boots on the ground.
I see that you are also one neuron short of a synapse, too, pant-load.
ROTFLMAO at you, sweetpea.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:12 pmFrank: “#21: What quagmire? If we just bomb the crap out of them, there won’t be any boots on the ground.”
Uhhh yeaaahhh, cuz that strategery worked so well in Vietnam.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:13 pmIf we just bomb the crap out of them, there won’t be any boots on the ground.
Comment by Frank M — January 18, 2008 @ 12:08 pm
Anybody else notice that Frank is actually getting worse?
Frank, you d*psh*t, there are 60 million people living in Iran. Just how many of them do you propose killing with bombs?
One more thing, idiot: your comment #24 demonstrates a bizarre lack of basic reading comprehension.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:15 pmBomb Iran? Why not?
Comment by Frank M — January 18, 2008 @ 12:06 pm
January 18th, 2008 at 12:15 pmBomb Canada? Why not?
Well frank, I’m gonna have to give you a D for your grade so far today….have you nothing intelligent to add?
January 18th, 2008 at 12:15 pmThese neocons are absolutely nutso crazy bonkers. If we do this the young generation in Iran will be lost to us and the government will just be all that more dedicated to reaching a point of deterrence against future attacks at the expense of food and other essentials for the populace.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:17 pmWhy aren’t these asswipes in the army?
Comment by Uncle Ho — January 18, 2008 @ 12:10 pm
Because most of them, Frank included, are bedwetting pussies. Nothing else can explain their irrational state of fear.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:17 pmFrankly, we really need to also nuke Canada from the map. They have just declared the US of A a rogue nation.
Half of their population speaks French (remember how France tried to stop us from taking care of Iraq ?)
They are amassing troops on the US border in anticipation of war (something like 80% of the population lives within 50 miles of the border - or some stat like that).
They are infiltrating our culture with the likes of William Shatner and Michael J. Fox (at least Limbaugh recognizes Fox as a threat) and Alex Trebeck. Their infiltration of our entertainment industry is used to spread sex and drugs among our children.
They have even taken over our professional Hockey !
What more evidence do you liberal pinkos need ???????
January 18th, 2008 at 12:18 pmBomb ‘em all, and let Frank sort ‘em out?
January 18th, 2008 at 12:18 pm“Wargasm, wargasm, one two three…”
January 18th, 2008 at 12:19 pm#28: Pollute the threads? So, you don’t like dissent? You’d prefer it if everybody just preached to the choir and concentrated blaming everything on Bush? Right? Good thing you’re not running TP.
Comment by Frank M
dissent is one thing, but that is not evident in any of your posts. Rational discussion with reasonable conclusions used to make your point might help.
Franks grade reduced to D- for lack of comprehension
January 18th, 2008 at 12:19 pmWhat quagmire? If we just bomb the crap out of them, there won’t be any boots on the ground.
Comment by Frank M — January 18, 2008 @ 12:08 pm
Um…yeah. I think that would involve killing every last person in that country and leaving a huge crater where Iran used to be.
You don’t understand that bombing somebody tends to piss them off more that it makes them docile and compliant. Think about it — if somebody dropped bombs on this country, what do you think our reaction would be?
The only time we were able to wage an air war without a ground war followup was when we bombed Japan in 1945. There were two reasons why that succeeded. First, the weapons we used were more destructive than anything the world had ever seen before, and our damage was profound. Second, we had ground troops ready to invade, and Japan knew it.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:20 pmWho needs NIE or intelligence when the Bush Boys sings this catchy song
Ba ba ba ba bomb Iran
January 18th, 2008 at 12:20 pmBa ba ba ba bomb Iran
#36: Well, why not? I don’t see why we should be loved or liked - as long as we are feared.
Comment by Frank M — January 18, 2008 @ 12:18 p
Ohhh, did someone take your lunch money?
January 18th, 2008 at 12:20 pm#28: Pollute the threads? So, you don’t like dissent?
Comment by Frank M — January 18, 2008 @ 12:14 pm
Once again, Mr. Imbecile demonstrates a basic lack of reading comprehension. It isn’t dissent that bothers us, you cretin, it is your shocking ignorance and lack of a moral compass that bothers us.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:20 pm#35: There’s nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. Fred’s clearly saying that he had to stop seeing two doctors because “they went on right wing rantsâ€.
Comment by Frank M — January 18, 2008 @ 12:17 pm
Frank, please read this very slowly and carefully: going on a right wing rant to a patient during an exam is not equivalent to being a Republican.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:23 pmWell, why not? I don’t see why we should be loved or liked - as long as we are feared.
Comment by Frank M — January 18, 2008 @ 12:18 pm
Sure — and if we’re feared enough, we will be viewed as a rabid dog that the rest of the world must team up against and take care of.
Sort of like the way we thought of Hitler.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:23 pm#33: Well, Nixon’s “madman†strategy worked. Bombing the shit out of them and leaking out hints that we’d be prepared to drop a couple of A-bombs brought the communists to the negotiation table.
Comment by Frank M
Uh, we left with our tail between our legs….with Nixon leading.
Frank, gonna have to fail you….F for your performance today so far…..
and as far as your other statements…..I don’t ever want to hear you criticize anyone for calling you a Nazi…..
January 18th, 2008 at 12:25 pmComment #50 is a bizarre revision of history, but that is to be expected of Frank.
Frank, do you think the U.S. negotiated from a position of strength when it agreed to withdraw from Vietnam after having lost the war?
January 18th, 2008 at 12:25 pmFrank should move to Nevada and open a whorehouse where the “I don’t give a phuck for nothing” attitude is the key success.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:25 pmAnd none of these idiots, Francine included have discussed what Russia, or China might do in retaliation.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:26 pmHow about calling in our debt and selling off their dollars, putting us into a tailspin that results in a depression of unparalleled scale?
ahh… and now it’s the “frank” thread…
focus, people…
January 18th, 2008 at 12:26 pmre 50:
Those who do not understand history are doomed to repeat it.
Whoever first said this clearly had frank m and GDumbya in mind.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:27 pmAnd did I mention Republicans anywhere? I talked about political affiliation.
Comment by Frank M — January 18, 2008 @ 12:25 pm
Oh yeah, Frank, I forgot that “Republican” has no connection whatsoever to “political affiliation”. Thanks for straightening me out on this point.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:28 pmFrank is a weak little loser who likes the attention he gets, even if it’s full-on disgust for the stupid shit he posts.
If Boy George bombs Iran the 160,000 soliers that are in Iraq to defend Bush’s ego would be sitting ducks.
Come to think of it, Bush and Frank are two peas in a pod. Maybe Bush just wants to be remembered, wants the attention. Well, the way he has fcked up to this point, he will be remembered. If he bombs Iran, that will only solidify his place in history as the absolute worst POS our country has ever seen.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:28 pmFrank, you have failed today as even a troll…..how sad of an example of human life you are……you would think as much time as you spend here practicing that you would be able to communicate intelligently but no….you have failed, again. Sad, sad little troll with no skills…..
January 18th, 2008 at 12:28 pmFrank thinks China and Russia will fear us if we bomb Iran. I doubt “fear” is the correct word.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:29 pmWell, we can tear up that IOU any time we want.
Right.
They SELL their dollars.
The value of the Dollar plunges, as the world currency market takes over.
There is no IOU. They have the power to do this, and nothing we could do would stop them, short of nuking them. Would you encourage that?
January 18th, 2008 at 12:30 pmAh yes. The dreaded “they’ll take away our money†plot. Well, we can tear up that IOU any time we want. Who’s going to come and collect that debt and with what army?
Comment by Frank M — January 18, 2008 @ 12:28 pm
OK — Frank is now just raving like a loon. It’s time to focus on the more intelligent posts in this thread.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:31 pmahh… and now it’s the “frank†thread…
focus, people…
Comment by katy — January 18, 2008 @ 12:26 pm
It’s an easy job being a troll, especially when everyone is so willing to kick his admittedly stupid ass. All the troll really wants is attention.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:31 pmahh… and now it’s the “frank†thread…
focus, people…
Comment by katy — January 18, 2008 @ 12:26 pm
I will try to get back on topic:
Only someone as crazy, scared, ignorant, and morally bankrupt as Frank M could advocate his position towards Iran. Likewise for nut cases like Kristol and Podhoretz.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:32 pmanyone know any democrat doctors?
January 18th, 2008 at 12:32 pmThe article begs the question.
If this President did attack Iran, let’s suppose unilaterally.
Would Congress have the courage to impeach him? Or better yet, impeach him AND turn him over for prosecution.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:33 pmok - if we absolutely must bomb iran, let’s at least shove the first one up podhoretz’s a** and push him out of the airplane first.
any takers?
January 18th, 2008 at 12:33 pmThese right wing extremists want to diminish the USA by relying only on our military power. Why do they refuse to use our other fine strengths, like freedom, innovation, and diplomacy, that we possess as a nation. They have a very narrow view that will fail sooner rather than later.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:34 pm#57: Ah yes. The dreaded “they’ll take away our money†plot. Well, we can tear up that IOU any time we want. Who’s going to come and collect that debt and with what army?
Comment by Frank M — January 18, 2008 @ 12:28 pm
LOL 1.3 BILLION to 330 Million. Your lack of knowledge is showing again.
Another Stupid person. Oye!
January 18th, 2008 at 12:36 pmanyone know any democrat doctors?
Comment by Fred — January 18, 2008 @ 12:32 p
I go to nurse practitioner who might be a Democrat.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:36 pmanyone know any democrat doctors?
Comment by Fred — January 18, 2008 @ 12:32 pm
Yes, but they are in Canada!
January 18th, 2008 at 12:38 pmany takers?
Comment by conscriptor — January 18, 2008 @ 12:33 pm
Add Kristol to the drop and I’m all in.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:38 pmFrankie; oh, but I DO dissent. I protest against unjustified, illegal, and immoral wars, against using Gestapo torture methods on prisoners, said prisoners having no due process, and being renditioned to places where tortured is outsourced, and an American system of gulags.
What I have found through the years is that the biggest flag-wavers, the ones who are pro-war, are the very same (I’ll use the term loosely here) people who are draft-dodgers, or who NEVER served in the military. see 5-deferment Dickhead Cheney, Elliott Abrams, Rush Limpdick, Dennis Fatstert, Scooter Libbey, 7-deferment ’soaring eagle’ John Ashcroft, Bill Frist,…….
January 18th, 2008 at 12:39 pmThe Repugnicant Neocons want to start another war? Knock me over with a feather! I can’t believe it. Shocking, just Shocking!
sarc/off
Now can we just find a way to make them all go to Iraq and help clean up the mess they created?
January 18th, 2008 at 12:39 pmWell, we can tear up that IOU any time we want. Who’s going to come and collect that debt and with what army?
Comment by Frank M — January 18, 2008 @ 12:28 pm
Tear up our IOUs, Frank, and there goes the full faith and credit of the U.S. Treasury. Doing so would cause the world to enter a financial crisis of unimaginable proportions.
I argue that it is useful to have Frank here today. Sure he’s polluting the thread, but he gives insight into the sort of defective personality type that continues to support Bush and the neocons. It is important to know that people like Frank exist, and that Bush derives much of his power from the support of these barbarians. Frank isn’t a 29 percenter. I bet Frank is a 10 percenter, and that’s going really low.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:39 pmanyone know any democrat doctors?
Comment by Fred — January 18, 2008 @ 12:32 pm
Move to Portland, Oregon. I’m tripping over them we have so many.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:39 pmThese right wing extremists want to diminish the USA by relying only on our military power. Why do they refuse to use our other fine strengths, like freedom, innovation, and diplomacy, that we possess as a nation. They have a very narrow view that will fail sooner rather than later.
Comment by jb
You are right…..they are the lowest form of human life. I know everyone tires of the analogy but they act like german concentration camp guards…bullies. Power without thought. They have twisted history around to where they actually believe that aggression is what made us great….
January 18th, 2008 at 12:39 pmThis guy frightens me. And after Iran, then Syria. Then after Syria, someone else. For people like this, there is always a bad guy. Some country that does not deserve to exist. He and his ilk are willing the life of every man and woman in this country to bring about their vision of what’s right.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:40 pmI bet almost to a man they were bullied as children.
And none of these idiots, Francine included have discussed what Russia, or China might do in retaliation.
How about calling in our debt and selling off their dollars, putting us into a tailspin that results in a depression of unparalleled scale?
Comment by RUCerious — January 18, 2008 @ 12:26 pm
Middle East isn’t so far from Europe, either. Carpet bombing Iran with nuclear devices would produce a level of high level of radioactive contamination. Probably would decide many european allies of the USA to flip the bird to Uncle Sam and attack the nearest USA target.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:40 pmPodhoretz said he dreams about bombing Iran…
January 18th, 2008 at 12:41 pmHe is now a chief adviser to Giuliani on foreign policy;
Lieberman now the chief adviser to McCain..so whoever wins…bombs will begin falling on Irananians.
It is all about the PNAC plan..
Unless Congress acts as a true representative body….the plan is put to work.
On the Democrats side..Hillary is also playing hawk when it comes to fulfilling the AIPAC demans,and she is not shy about it.
If this President did attack Iran, let’s suppose unilaterally.
Would Congress have the courage to impeach him? Or better yet, impeach him AND turn him over for prosecution.
Comment by dogjudge — January 18, 2008 @ 12:33 pm
I have a different question: would our military leaders go along with it? I have my doubts on that point.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:42 pm“anyone know any democrat doctors?”
Comment by Fred — January 18, 2008 @ 12:32 pm
Mine, But I’m in Pittsburgh, so it might be a little out of your way? ;)
January 18th, 2008 at 12:45 pmcomment by MapleStreet @ 12:18
Sex, drugs, and Rock & Roll. FAAAAARR OUUTTTTTTT!
Better living through chemistry- I can dig it. (:-D)
January 18th, 2008 at 12:46 pmGood question VerbalKint. If Bush says to bomb Iran, who would stop him? Maybe the military would mutiny, but probably not, that’s not their training. Maybe some of the vets here could weigh in. RUCerious, what do you think would happen?
Pray for a fragging.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:48 pmComment by MapleStreet — January 18, 2008 @ 12:18 pm
Don’t overlook the way they try and push their green beer on us.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:49 pmanyone know any democrat doctors?
Comment by Fred — January 18, 2008 @ 12:32 pm
OT - When your Jewish dentist starts a conversation with you about a news item on CNN about expanding Jewish settlements in the West Bank right before he starts drilling just keep your mouth shut. I didn’t. Can you say “Marathon Man”?
And I apologize to any progressive Jewish dentists who may be here. I’m sure you would never do that.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:51 pm“anyone know any democrat doctors?â€
Comment by Fred
thanks to all for your info and suggestions. It has given me a couple of ideas.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:52 pmnanlichi; I concur- pray for fraggings.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:54 pmInsanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Comment by missmolly — January 18, 2008 @ 12:06 pm
See “Frank M†for more information…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 18, 2008 @ 12:07 pm
OK, I did. You’re right.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:58 pmFrank:
If we bomb Iran back into the stone age, we lose two and a half million barrels a day in oil output.
That will mean 5 buck a gallon gas. Do you think America can survive that?
Here’s a lot of things that could happen:
1) Pakistan falls, as the militant Islamists rise up. We then have a radical Islamic regime with MULTIPLE nuclear weapons and missiles. They could even acclaim Osama bin Laden as their lleader.
2) Russia moves into Iran. They already have numerous treaties with Iran, and Khamenei might even invite them.
What would happen if Russia announced that a nuclear attack on Iran would be met with in kind by Russia? Who has thousands of MIRVed ICBMs that could still destroy the US many times over?
You think Putin wouldn’t do that? Especially since the rest of the world would stand behind him?
3) Do you think we’re ready for another Arab Oil Embargo? Not 5 buck a gallon gas, but 10, and with mass shortages? And Venezuela joining in? And China refusing to buy our debt–and making up for Saudi Arabia’s shortfall?
January 18th, 2008 at 1:03 pm#87
Being a vet wouldn’t necessarily give you an outright answer. Although I did serve in the AF from ‘67 to ‘71.
You’re caught in a moral dilemma. On one hand you have to obey the orders from the Commander in Chief. On the other hand you do not have to obey an order that you feel is illegal and you can’t use the excuse that you were following orders as a means of getting away from your actions.
Bush/Cheney have been doing a LOT of things to provoke a reaction from Iran, although they keep saying that Iran is the one provoking a response.
I think the majority of the world could see through any nonsense there, but I worry about the 30 percent loony toons here in the US.
I could also see where these games of chicken could lead to an accident that the President would use as a justification for unilateral action by the President. That despite the fact that Congress has told him more than once he better not try that.
Look to Colin Powell and his actions in front of the UN for your answer. Although he admitted later that the intel was not correct, he still made the presentation. If he was still in the Army, would he have gone to war with Iraq on the President’s orders knowing things were wrong? My guess is yes.
January 18th, 2008 at 1:09 pmanyone know any democrat doctors?
Comment by Fred — January 18, 2008 @ 12:32 pm
this sounded like a name-jacking… until i read through and saw #90…
fred - it’s democratIC … democratic doctor…
a.k.a. - a doctor who is a Democrat, a member of the Democratic party…
one of my pet peeves… and a rightie slander…
January 18th, 2008 at 1:09 pm:-]
anyone know any democrat doctors?
Comment by Fred — January 18, 2008 @ 12:32 pm
this sounded like a name-jacking… until i read through and saw #90…
fred - it’s democratIC … democratic doctor…
a.k.a. - a doctor who is a Democrat, a member of the Democratic party…
one of my pet peeves… and a rightie slander…
:-]
Comment by katy
oops……sorry for the grammer faux pas……but I am serious.
January 18th, 2008 at 1:15 pmThanks dogjudge, I agree that Bush is trying to provoke a response. This may sound a little tin-foil hat, but what if Bush really thinks (for whatever reason, including insanity) that bombing Iran is the right thing to do and he, by God, is going to do it. What role does Congress have? Who could stop him?
What does he care about history, or whether it is the right thing to do. If no one can stop him, we could very well see bombs over Iran even if 90% of Americans are against it.
January 18th, 2008 at 1:16 pm98 Comment by nanlichi
Let’s hope someone keeps Lord Farquad under control.
January 18th, 2008 at 1:23 pmLet’s bomb Podhoetz instead?
January 18th, 2008 at 1:25 pmnanlichi
That is exactly my biggest fear.
Bush, pushed by Cheney, have just about fully developed the idea of an all powerful President who only has to answer to himself. Unfortunately because of partisan politics, the Republicans have allowed him to pursue that agenda unabated. Congress appears to be unwilling to reign in any of Bush’s forays into the powers of the other branches of government.
It sort of reminds me of the incident with Andrew Jackson when he was President. Jackson wanted to relocate the Cherokees from NC and Georgia to Arkansas and other places. The case went to the Supreme Court. They ruled that Jackson didn’t have the authority to do it. Jackson did it anyway. When asked about it Jackson replied to the effect that the Supreme Court made their decision, let them enforce their decision.
The ramifications for all of this is bad enough for the US. Unfortunately, it could be bad for the world.
January 18th, 2008 at 1:27 pmPud-hurts militant unilateralism is insane… such blindness!!!
Russia (they gave Iran some nuclear material) and China (oil needed to maintain their economic growth) would be pissed big time…
Bye bye US’s ABM plans in Europe (already seen with suspicion).
What if China decides to cash in its billions of US bonds as a consequence (good bye weak US dollar-hello Euro)?
Europe and Japan wouldn’t be too happy either-a significant percentage of their oil comes from Iran (their economies will be effected by surging gas prices).
Southern Iraq will become active again with unrest - the weak Iraq government will probably get even weaker due to shiite-sunni rifts and their Iranian connections.
More terrorist attacks throughout the Mid East…etc….
Iran would probably continue its nuclear ambitions after bombings anyway.
Then again Pud-hurts would call to bomb anyone else if needed.
January 18th, 2008 at 1:28 pmThis is why Nicholas Burns is leaving the Bush Administration. He does not want to be part of this cabal when Bush and Cheney launch a blitzkrieg that will kill thousands.
-GSD
January 18th, 2008 at 1:36 pmsquidbilly
One thing that I haven’t seen discussed is the oil supply for the rest of the world.
Assume there was strife between the US and Iran.
The Straits of Hormuz are not that large. It wouldn’t take much action around the Straits to essentially shut them down. Who would want to risk sending a tanker full of oil through the Straits while other folks were shooting at each other.
The last thing that I saw, and if I remember it correctly, about 50 percent of the world’s oil goes through the Straits.
Could you imagine the disruption to the worlds’ economies if the Straits were shut down for a few weeks?
Gee, I wonder which side all of the affected countries would fall behind?
January 18th, 2008 at 1:36 pm#70 dogjudge, my point at #18, exactly!!! :>{
January 18th, 2008 at 1:43 pmRUCerious, what do you think would happen?
Pray for a fragging.
I have a sneaking suspicion the joint chiefs might resign, or some other high level military authority may ask congress to impeach, rather than carry out this madman’s orders.
The military knows what the result of such an attack would be, and I hope they know it’s their careers down the terlet if they go along.
Sort of a political fragging.
If that doesn’t work, it’s horseshoes and hand grenades…
January 18th, 2008 at 1:48 pmBomb Iran? Why not?
Comment by Frank M — January 18, 2008 @ 12:06 pm
Because then they’ll get mad and kill YOU and YOUR family.
Which would be GREAT anyway…
January 18th, 2008 at 1:55 pmRather than an outright refusal to follow orders, I imagine the possibility of high-profile 11th hour resignations by some military leaders.
January 18th, 2008 at 2:02 pmBomb Iran? Why not?
Comment by Frank M — January 18, 2008 @ 12:06 pm
Simple.
Do you want to eventually engage China and Russia?
Thought not.
Here’s the thing about bullies. They push small people or countries around until somebody with more guts, strength, or power pushes them back.
Israel? HAHAHAHAHAHALOLOLOL!! Coming to aid the USA!!!!????
Now China also is holding a large amount of US debt. What does that tell you? The USA is not manufacturing any more. Eventually no one will want US products.
January 18th, 2008 at 2:21 pmWOULD YOU ALL PLEASE STOP FEEDING FRANK. It does no good and it just encourages him to hang around. If TP won’t do anything about Frank and his ilk, then we need to do something. And the first step is to stop giving him the attention he so badly craves.
January 18th, 2008 at 2:44 pmone of my pet peeves… and a rightie slander…
:-]
Comment by katy
It’s one of my pet peeves too. It is getting so pervasive that regular posters here do it. And when they are called on it, they get rather defensive.
January 18th, 2008 at 2:47 pmWOULD YOU ALL PLEASE STOP FEEDING FRANK. It does no good and it just encourages him to hang around. If TP won’t do anything about Frank and his ilk, then we need to do something. And the first step is to stop giving him the attention he so badly craves.
Comment by bilbobaggins — January 18, 2008 @ 2:44 pm
But it does feel good to pummel these crackpots. They must be gluttons for punishment.
Well, then again, maybe I will take your advice
January 18th, 2008 at 3:48 pmChristian terrorism. Christrianic baby killing is far worse — much worse — than anything their Islamic colleages could ever hope to accomplish.
Christianity is abjectly evil, even by its own low standards.
January 18th, 2008 at 4:23 pmAs Randy Newman says
They don’t respect us
So lets surprise em
Lets drop the big one
And pulverise them
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fl5zf8_VmAo
January 18th, 2008 at 4:43 pmI’m completely in favor of bombing Iran right now, on one condition:
Kristol, Steyn, Hewitt, Jonah Loadpants, and especially Podhoretz all agree to strap themselves to the bunker-busters and ride them down to the targets, Slim Pickens-style. That would prove they really are patriotic Americans and not just the garden-variety chickenhawks they seem to be.
January 18th, 2008 at 5:20 pmIt’s one of my pet peeves too. It is getting so pervasive that regular posters here do it. And when they are called on it, they get rather defensive.
Comment by bilbobaggins — January 18, 2008 @ 2:47 pm
Relax. I am more trouble by the endless use of the phrase “drive safe” and all the other poor uses of language. It is only slander if you are so thin skinned enough to let it be. I see little protest over “righttard” and all of that. In all cases disrespect is disrespect and it’s intentional use should be avoided
January 18th, 2008 at 5:31 pmI’m predicting that Bush/Cheney will wait until the conventions are over to bomb Iran. If the GOP looks unlikely to win in November, Bush will start bombing Iran so he can stick the Democrat with another war and get his way once again. He’ll beat his dad in the number of wars with that one. 41 had Panama and the Gulf. 43 has Afghanistan and Iraq. One more beats dad.
January 18th, 2008 at 5:32 pmHe’s already told Olmert that Iran is an existential threat and that “all options are on the table.” He sucked up to the Saudis, competitors to Iran in oil and power in the middle east. They’d love it if he bombed Iran. Oil goes to $200/barrel overnight.
Expect Bush to screw things up more before he goes back to the ranch.
Let’s let Bush get on his flightsuit and cowboy hat, and ride the first Big Bertha on in there this time next year.
“YEEEEEEHAAAAAAWWW”
Saves the trials!
January 18th, 2008 at 6:41 pmIt’s one of my pet peeves too. It is getting so pervasive that regular posters here do it. And when they are called on it, they get rather defensive.
Comment by bilbobaggins
I didn’t get defensive. I apologized as soon as it was made clear that it offended…..
January 18th, 2008 at 6:49 pmyou sound a little defensive….it was a typing mistake made in a hurry….democrat doctor instead of democratic….damn guys. It is only that big of a deal if you make it into one…….that being said….I am sorry. My intent was not to offend anyone.
I see little protest over “righttard†and all of that. In all cases disrespect is disrespect and it’s intentional use should be avoided
Comment by dbadass — January 18, 2008 @ 5:31 pm
good point… well taken…
January 18th, 2008 at 10:07 pmthe “tard” stuff bothers me too… a lot… makes me wince…
… i do appreciate the term “right-tard” though…
contradictory, i know… not necessarily hypocritical…
… is it?
Is there some reason why anyone publically threatening to bomb Iran shouldn’t be arrested as a terrorist? Just asking.
Why does our media allow these Zionist Nazis to air their hate on public television? Shouldn’t they have someone on to counter-balance their venom? Maybe someone like Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Robert Sheer. A decent Jew. Or any intelligent person. Should crackpots go unchallenged?
January 19th, 2008 at 4:11 amShouldn’t they have someone on to counter-balance their venom? Maybe someone like Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Robert Sheer. A decent Jew. Or any intelligent person. Should crackpots go unchallenged?
Comment by republicanSScareme
It once existed….it was called the fairness doctrine……I believe you can thank raygun for it’s demise.
January 19th, 2008 at 8:40 am