Ridge: ‘No doubt…waterboarding is torture.’
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Ridge: ‘No doubt…waterboarding is torture.’
Former Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge told the AP in an interview, “There’s just no doubt in my mind — under any set of rules — waterboarding is torture.” He added, “I believe, unlike others in the administration, that waterboarding was, is — and will always be — torture. That’s a simple statement.” In a separate interview with The Associated Press on Thursday, the current Homeland Security secretary, Michael Chertoff, refused to say what he thinks of the interrogation technique.
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Perhaps someone should try it out on shittoff and then ask his opinion…Blessings
January 18th, 2008 at 10:16 pmFourteen Americans just died because of what Tom Ridge said.
At least, that’s what a right-wing pundit led me to believe.
January 18th, 2008 at 10:18 pmThey’re not allowed to say it’s torture until they’ve left the Bush administration.
January 18th, 2008 at 10:23 pmPerhaps Tom Ridge left the administration because he objected to the evil it is infested with.
January 18th, 2008 at 10:27 pmComment by Zooey — January 18, 2008 @ 10:23 pm
They’re not allowed to say it’s torture until they’ve left the Bush administration.
Cynical, but true, Zooey!
January 18th, 2008 at 10:27 pmThey’re not allowed to say it’s torture until they’ve left the Bush administration.
Comment by Zooey — January 18, 2008 @ 10:23 pm
If they mention it after leaving, they really should make sure their car doesn’t have any strange new wiring under the hood every morning, before trying to drive.
Ridge probably had better watch his back now.
January 18th, 2008 at 10:29 pm“Cheney got a gun, Cheney got a gun, dog days just begun….”
January 18th, 2008 at 10:30 pmWayne,
January 18th, 2008 at 10:34 pmOr his Buick?
Yeah, mebbe if Ridge took a little spin on that board, so to speak, it might change his mind, for him…
Torture, indeed… hmmmf!
January 18th, 2008 at 10:34 pmComment by Nevar — January 18, 2008 @ 10:27 pm
Perhaps Tom Ridge left the administration because he objected to the evil it is infested with.
Yet he says nothing about it? I go with Zooey here. This is only one issue. BushCo is so evil it can’t even be described. Yet he said, and says, nothing except this?
Like the brave retired generals who banded together after the fact, and spoke as one against one thing or another, when they can’t be punished for what they say. Or like Colin Powell, the neocon tool, who remained in power for years and then, after he is gone speaks out. Brave “men”, all!
January 18th, 2008 at 10:35 pmA lookout will have to be posted on the Ridge.
January 18th, 2008 at 10:35 pmZooey, aren’t you just waiting with bated breath for the Tell All’s in about 18 months? I am. People like George Tenet trying to save their collective souls.
January 18th, 2008 at 10:37 pmRetraction coming in 3… 2… 1…
January 18th, 2008 at 10:37 pmYet he said, and says, nothing except this?
Comment by Merlin
Fear can cause significant verbal paralysis…
January 18th, 2008 at 10:38 pmIt’s always the “former” guys who say cool stuff.
January 18th, 2008 at 10:38 pmComment by ForTruth — January 18, 2008 @ 10:38 pm
It’s always the “former†guys who say cool stuff.
Like a fascinating soap opera, eh?
January 18th, 2008 at 10:41 pmZooey, aren’t you just waiting with bated breath for the Tell All’s in about 18 months? I am. People like George Tenet trying to save their collective souls.
Comment by Ms_Joanne — January 18, 2008 @ 10:37 pm
Yep, I’ve got the worm on my tongue — good thing I found it at the bottom of that bottle of tequila.
We have very long memories, don’t we Ms Joanne?
January 18th, 2008 at 10:43 pmIt’s the MSM’s fault that Fox News thinks waterboarding isn’t torture.
January 18th, 2008 at 10:44 pmThat’s the smartest thing I’ve ever heard from Tom Ridge. But you guys are right, he’d better watch his Buick.
January 18th, 2008 at 10:45 pmfrom the link:
“As a former soldier, I will tell you that we go to great pains, and a lot of men and women, who serve in the military at risk of their own lives, do everything they can to minimize civilian casualties and certainly do everything they can to respect the Geneva Convention.”
Same thing I have said many times. I just wonder why he did not have the honor to stand up while he was still head of Homeland Security. As most soldiers I know would have, as I would have.
He says the right think now…… when it really cannot make a big difference in the crimes that have already occured.
January 18th, 2008 at 10:46 pmCynical, but true, Zooey!
Comment by Merlin — January 18, 2008 @ 10:27 pm
Cynical seems to be my natural state, Merlin. I hope to be recovering in about a year — or sooner, if Mizz Nancy finds a table.
January 18th, 2008 at 10:46 pmComment by Nevar — January 18, 2008 @ 10:38 pm
Fear can cause significant verbal paralysis…
Yes it can. However keep in mind these “men” CHOSE to stay and say nothing. I doubt that they were forced to stay on the job. There were real “men,” who resigned from the Nixon Administration rather than carry out the orders that they knew were wrong, in the face of that fear.
To let these people off the hook because of “fear” is enabling their cowardly actions.
January 18th, 2008 at 10:47 pmWe have very long memories, don’t we Ms Joanne?
Comment by Zooey — January 18, 2008 @ 10:43 pm
Thank goodness.
Someone has to in todays world of………
Hey, Britney is on the news again…
January 18th, 2008 at 10:49 pmThe average television infested American can convince themselves of anything if they repeat it often enough…
“Dorito’s will make me attractive…..”
“If I take this pill I won’t be a drifting, bouncing blob…”
“If I buy this car, I will escape into the background scenery along a perfect highway with no one else on it….”
“Jesus will save me….”
“Waterboarding is like when you tip the iron over on it’s side while ironing your shirt…”
January 18th, 2008 at 10:50 pmCynical seems to be my natural state, Merlin. I hope to be recovering in about a year — or sooner, if Mizz Nancy finds a table.
Comment by Zooey — January 18, 2008 @ 10:46 pm
If she will only look in the same place she hid her soul……
January 18th, 2008 at 10:51 pmComment by Nevar — January 18, 2008 @ 10:50 pm
“If you have herpes, you get to walk on the beach, and go horseback riding with a really good looking guy.”
January 18th, 2008 at 10:52 pm… when it really cannot make a big difference in the crimes that have already occured.
Comment by Wayne — January 18, 2008 @ 10:46 pm
There’s not a single, damned thing I can add to that…
January 18th, 2008 at 10:52 pmIf she will only look in the same place she hid her soul……
Comment by Wayne — January 18, 2008 @ 10:51 pm
Ah… in Cheney’s “man-sized” safe?
January 18th, 2008 at 10:54 pmIf she will only look in the same place she hid her soul……
Comment by Wayne — January 18, 2008 @ 10:51 pm
I’m sure I’ve seen that in a museum — Soul on a Tabletop…
January 18th, 2008 at 10:54 pmHi Z…
See? I’m getting back to my inane, annoying self!
January 18th, 2008 at 10:55 pmHey TRoS, how’s life?
January 18th, 2008 at 10:56 pmYou anticipated my question — a very good sign. :)
January 18th, 2008 at 10:56 pmComment by Zooey — January 18, 2008 @ 10:46 pm
I hope to be recovering in about a year — or sooner, if Mizz Nancy finds a table.
Yeah, me too, in about a year. Now its my turn to be cynical. Mizz Nancy will do nothing. She is either acting political, like Billary, has no guts and real leadership traits, or is being blackmailed. Take your pick. Or all of the above.
We need major changes in the Congressional leadership positions along with a big reduction in the blue dog democrats polluting the system.
January 18th, 2008 at 10:56 pmGittin’ better.
“The Nightmare On Accounting Street” is going away, and I’m feeling better.
January 18th, 2008 at 10:57 pmVERY long memories. Unfortunately, we’re going to have long, awful memories of this administration for decades to come as we wrestle with the identity of our country, the god-awful debt and economic outlook, the lies, greed, cronyism, and other things that we, our children, and grandchildren will have to overcome.
For the first time in my life, it is an embarrassment to be American. I travel all over the world and have had to, more than once, say that I didn’t vote for Bush. And I always get asked how we managed to vote him in twice. To which I respond, we didn’t…do you have about 3 hours for me to get into it?
January 18th, 2008 at 10:58 pmIf I can just throw the football through the tire swing, I’ll get lucky.
January 18th, 2008 at 10:58 pmMaybe…
As Wayne, prolly both ‘em, come to think, have said, and more than once, the only thing that will do any good here is to vote 98% of BOTH parties out of office.
January 18th, 2008 at 10:58 pm“The Nightmare On Accounting Street†is going away, and I’m feeling better.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 18, 2008 @ 10:57 pm
There’s some excellent music on the Zoo tonight, and I put up a “True Confessions” thread.
January 18th, 2008 at 10:58 pmComment by Nevar — January 18, 2008 @ 10:50 pm
“Waterboarding is like when you tip the iron over on it’s side while ironing your shirt…â€
LOL! Good one, Nevar.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:00 pmWe need major changes in the Congressional leadership positions along with a big reduction in the blue dog democrats polluting the system.
Comment by Merlin — January 18, 2008 @ 10:56 pm
I wonder when it will hit Mizz Nancy that she could have been a hero to this country, but failed.
Even if she had to endure the worst smearing the right ever invented, she’d come through with democracy and democrats firmly on her side.
Too bad she’s such a coward.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:00 pmTo which I respond, we didn’t…do you have about 3 hours for me to get into it?
Comment by Ms_Joanne — January 18, 2008 @ 10:58 pm
I keep thinking you could sell t-shirts to folks going overseas that say “Hey, I didn’t vote for him” in about 25 different languages, then just point to the correct one whenever one of locals starts giving you a hard time. Big money in that one! ;-D!
January 18th, 2008 at 11:01 pmAs Wayne, prolly both ‘em, come to think, have said, and more than once, the only thing that will do any good here is to vote 98% of BOTH parties out of office.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 18, 2008 @ 10:58 pm
Yep, Vote anti-incumbent in the primaries and anti-republican in the finals, though.
Wayne S. would say,”Give ‘m the bird, vote for a third” =)
January 18th, 2008 at 11:03 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 18, 2008 @ 11:01 pm
I keep thinking you could sell t-shirts to folks going overseas that say “Hey, I didn’t vote for him†in about 25 different languages, then just point to the correct one whenever one of locals starts giving you a hard time. Big money in that one! ;-D!
Why are you still here TROS? This one is a winner. In no time you could be hob nobbing with the likes of Bill Gates!
January 18th, 2008 at 11:04 pmTRoS, that got a giggle out of me.
Isn’t it disgusting that as many people that did vote for him, well, did? Ok, they stole alot of votes, but still…there are way too many million fumb ducks in this country. We’re just lucky enough to have the presence of mind to not be some of them.
What about a T-shirt with his picture on it that says “I stole the election” in 25 languages? I like that thought!!
January 18th, 2008 at 11:05 pmWayne S. would say,â€Give ‘m the bird, vote for a third†=)
Comment by Wayne — January 18, 2008 @ 11:03 pm
You Waynes are spooky.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:07 pmOf course it’s torture. A rose by any other name, and all that.
Somebody’s ass should be in prison (too bad Spandau is closed).
January 18th, 2008 at 11:08 pmOkay, Merlin, mebbe yer right…
January 18th, 2008 at 11:08 pmOkay, Merlin, mebbe yer right…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 18, 2008 @ 11:08 pm
As one door closes, another opens…
January 18th, 2008 at 11:10 pmToo bad she’s such a coward.
Comment by Zooey — January 18, 2008 @ 11:00 pm
Honestly, while I agree, I completely believe that AT&T was doing its thing long before they turned it on us. I think this admin did Watergate on a much grander scale.
There is no other reason for the spineless dems to be doing what they are. Webb is new and I don’t think they have anything on him. Why is he the only one standing up?
Conspiracy theory? Maybe. But a terrifyingly realistic one.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:13 pmOh god. Who forgot to turn on the Bug Zapper light?
January 18th, 2008 at 11:14 pmOf course it’s torture. A rose by any other name, and all that.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — January 18, 2008 @ 11:08 pm
You can always rename a pile of crap and call it a rose, but it will still smell like sh!t.
“Enhanced Interrogation”, my a$$.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:15 pm“As one door closes, another opens…”
Hey libs, Comment by John Kerry
(Eerie, isn’t it?)
January 18th, 2008 at 11:15 pmYou Waynes are spooky.
Comment by Zooey — January 18, 2008 @ 11:07 pm
heh
January 18th, 2008 at 11:16 pm(Eerie, isn’t it?)
Comment by Nevar — January 18, 2008 @ 11:15 pm
Sorry, I opened the outhouse door.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:17 pmComment by John Kerry — January 18, 2008 @ 11:11 pm
Hey, you wanna fight? “Put em up! Put em uuup!”
Sounds like the Cowardly Lion just made the scene.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:23 pmOh god. Who forgot to turn on the Bug Zapper light?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 18, 2008 @ 11:14 pm
I was wondering who farted.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:25 pmWell said, Merlin.
Somebody just finished off one too many bottles of T-bird… and got turned down by his “girlfriend”… Rosy Palm…
January 18th, 2008 at 11:26 pm…farted.
Comment by Wayne — January 18, 2008 @ 11:25 pm
… Rosy Palm…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 18, 2008 @ 11:26 pm
You guys make me laugh like an idiot.
January 18th, 2008 at 11:28 pmHey, it is what I do… I make people laugh!
As far as unwanted discharges of gas go, somebody please, to quote B Dylan, “light a match and start anew”…
January 18th, 2008 at 11:32 pmJK is a cowardly troll. He drops his smelly load, and scitters away — like a cockaroach!
January 18th, 2008 at 11:36 pmI keep thinking you could sell t-shirts to folks going overseas that say “Hey, I didn’t vote for him†i
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 18, 2008 @ 11:01 pm
What about a T-shirt with his picture on it that says “I stole the election†in 25 languages? I like that thought!!
Comment by Ms_Joanne — January 18, 2008 @ 11:05 pm
My idea:
January 18th, 2008 at 11:46 pmA picture of his face, preferably one that caught him drunk or with that vacant “Now where am I?” looks on his face with bold letters underneath that anyone overseas with a computer on the internet would understand— WTF?
TRoS, Wayne & Ms Joanne,
Y’all need to stop taking this stuff public, and start generating some t-shirts!
January 18th, 2008 at 11:51 pmZooey, I am sure it’s done. I have a collection of bumper stickers at home that I picked up when I was at Harvard Square. Ah, liberalism at its finest.
One day I will post them…some of them are hysterical (alas, too true, too). :-)
January 18th, 2008 at 11:55 pmI have a collection of bumper stickers at home that I picked up when I was at Harvard Square. Ah, liberalism at its finest.
One day I will post them…some of them are hysterical (alas, too true, too). :-)
Comment by Ms_Joanne — January 18, 2008 @ 11:55 pm
I hope you smacked ‘em all on your car!
Are you still in Butte? It’s been frickin’ cold over here, eh?
January 18th, 2008 at 11:59 pmY’all need to stop taking this stuff public, and start generating some t-shirts!
Comment by Zooey — January 18, 2008 @ 11:51 pm
I have a printer that can do T-Shirt transfers, may make a few and see how they go at gigs, test it out. =)
January 19th, 2008 at 12:00 amI have a printer that can do T-Shirt transfers, may make a few and see how they go at gigs, test it out. =)
Comment by Wayne — January 19, 2008 @ 12:00 am
Your body is your billboard, Wayne. You know they’re all looking at the Guitar Man. ;)
January 19th, 2008 at 12:02 amhere yous are…
…
pretty good bill maher tonight…
THE best line i’ve heard in a long time – trace adkins, when the topic of
cloned meat came up:
“did cows quit fu(kin’?â€
ah HA!
is that great, or what?
January 19th, 2008 at 12:05 amNow that Ridge, a former high ranking Bushitler official has stated it is torture, can we now start prosecuting these rat bastards?
January 19th, 2008 at 12:05 am“did cows quit fu(kin’?â€
ah HA!
is that great, or what?
Comment by katy — January 19, 2008 @ 12:05 am
Pure genius….
January 19th, 2008 at 12:05 amThis may have been already said quite a few times but I guess I would like to add one more . . .
I don’t understand why there is any debate !!!!
It’s very hard to understand why these people are not facing criminal charges. I mean . . it’s been a crime for how long ?
January 19th, 2008 at 12:09 amOr am I’m wrong on that ?
It’s very hard to understand why these people are not facing criminal charges. I mean . . it’s been a crime for how long ?
Or am I’m wrong on that ?
Comment by Keith H. — January 19, 2008 @ 12:09 am
Nancy’s and Harry’s tables are empty, that’s why!
January 19th, 2008 at 12:10 amI agree Keith.
It’s a triumph for the Cons that we’re even debating this insanity.
January 19th, 2008 at 12:12 amNancy’s and Harry’s tables are empty, that’s why!
Comment by Brain From Planet Arous — January 19, 2008 @ 12:10 am
Let us fill the tables…..with fruits and pies, and sandwiches, and breakfast cereals, and articles of impeachment…..
January 19th, 2008 at 12:13 amI know, it’s almost as if the whole show is how the tv frames it.
January 19th, 2008 at 12:13 amLet us fill the tables…..with fruits and pies, and sandwiches, and breakfast cereals, and articles of impeachment…..
Comment by Zooey — January 19, 2008 @ 12:13 am
Even that “Goddamn Piece of Paper”, the Constitution, would do for starters.
January 19th, 2008 at 12:15 amit was… the timing, the delivery…
“did cows quit fu(kin’?â€
the whole place cracked up…
January 19th, 2008 at 12:15 amand david just kissed diane keaton…
time to hit it…
January 19th, 2008 at 12:18 amg’nite all…
Even that “Goddamn Piece of Paperâ€, the Constitution, would do for starters.
Comment by Brain From Planet Arous — January 19, 2008 @ 12:15 am
….and the god-damned piece of paper….
January 19th, 2008 at 12:18 ammmmm pies . . and sandwiches . . . okay . . fruit too . . . . . alright then ! . . . enough . . . The breakfast cereal is in !!! . . . :)
January 19th, 2008 at 12:20 amIt’s very hard to understand why these people are not facing criminal charges. I mean . . it’s been a crime for how long ?
Or am I’m wrong on that ?
Comment by Keith H. — January 19, 2008 @ 12:09 am
The complicit media repeating their propaganda. They created the “debate”, the complicit
January 19th, 2008 at 12:20 amOrganized CrimeCorporate Controlled media propelled it through the hypnogourd to the empty minds of the video zombies of America.….and the god-damned piece of paper….
Comment by Zooey — January 19, 2008 @ 12:18 am
What’s that line from J Mitchell?
“Don’t it always go to show, ya don’t know what you’ve got ’till it’s gone…”???
January 19th, 2008 at 12:21 am“Don’t it always go to show, ya don’t know what you’ve got ’till it’s gone…�??
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 19, 2008 @ 12:21 am
The day paradise put up a parking lot….oooooo, bop bop bop bop…!
January 19th, 2008 at 12:22 am“propelled it through the hypnogourd” . . .
funny as h#ll !
January 19th, 2008 at 12:24 amThey’re not allowed to say it’s torture until they’ve left the Bush administration.
Comment by Zooey
Well, it’s hard to hide from Cheney when you have to go to meetings with him every day.
January 19th, 2008 at 12:25 amWell, it’s hard to hide from Cheney when you have to go to meetings with him every day.
Comment by shoeless — January 19, 2008 @ 12:25 am
Does he carry his shotgun as a side arm?
January 19th, 2008 at 12:27 amJust for poops and giggles, I watched a video from 1990, Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy, way ahead of it’s time, still viable, giving a look into why the American public is so brainwashed to allow this insanity to continue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgOWTM5R2DA
January 19th, 2008 at 12:29 amComment by Zooey — January 19, 2008 @ 12:22 am
Yep… that’s the one.
Prophetic words. I always liked Joannie’s work. Darn smart songwriter.
January 19th, 2008 at 12:30 amfunny as h#ll !
Comment by Keith H. — January 19, 2008 @ 12:24 am
And “Video Zombies of America” would make a great name for either a rock band or a cheap movie, or both!
January 19th, 2008 at 12:32 amProphetic words. I always liked Joannie’s work. Darn smart songwriter.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 19, 2008 @ 12:30 am
I always loved that song, but it took me years to really “get it.” I was a hopeless child…
January 19th, 2008 at 12:33 amAnd “Video Zombies of America†would make a great name for either a rock band or a cheap movie, or both!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 19, 2008 @ 12:32 am
How about “The Aggressive Zombies of Midriff America?”
January 19th, 2008 at 12:35 amHe probably has to pack his shotgun Zooey . .
January 19th, 2008 at 12:37 amfor protection and all that . . .
It does leave you to wonder tho . . .
can he hit anything but a stationary old friend ? ! ?
I was a hopeless child…
Comment by Zooey — January 19, 2008 @ 12:33 am
Aw shucks… I still am! :-)!
January 19th, 2008 at 12:37 amHow about “The Aggressive Zombies of Midriff America?â€
Comment by Brain From Planet Arous — January 19, 2008 @ 12:35 am
Ewwww… that’s enough to turn yer stomach. Ever see the episode of The Simpsons where everyone in Springfield gets turned into a zombie? I think it’s one of the “Treehouse of Horror” Halloween specials.
I love the part where Ned Flanders, as a zombie, tries to get into the Simpsons’ house. Homer, of course, blows him away w/ a pump action 12 gauge shotgun, and after Bart tells Homer that Flanders had been turned into a zombie, Homer asks,
“Flanders is a zombie??”
January 19th, 2008 at 12:41 amIt does leave you to wonder tho . . .
can he hit anything but a stationary old friend ? ! ?
Comment by Keith H. — January 19, 2008 @ 12:37 am
No! Look at this: Dead Eye Dick is at it Again
January 19th, 2008 at 12:41 am“Flanders is a zombie??â€
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 19, 2008 @ 12:41 am
I like the South Park zombies. They ate worcestershire sauce and turned into zombies. Oh god, I can’t remember now…
January 19th, 2008 at 12:43 amAnd “Video Zombies of America†would make a great name for either a rock band or a cheap movie, or both!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 19, 2008 @ 12:32 am
There is or was a college student made movie called “Video Zombies”. Before Billy Bob Thornton hit nationally, I used to see him host some show presenting Bad B movies, like a connoisseur type of thing. I have seen it once, but it is by far the worst movie ever made. It was pure comedy to watch, it was so bad. LOL
January 19th, 2008 at 12:48 ambut it is by far the worst movie ever made. It was pure comedy to watch, it was so bad. LOL
Comment by Wayne — January 19, 2008 @ 12:48 am
A classic! But, “Children Shouldn’t Play With Dead Things” is even worse/better.
January 19th, 2008 at 12:55 amAh yes… a connoisseur of bad movies… now we’re gittin’ there on a Friday night…
Ever see “Dracula’s Dog”? (It is a real movie…)
Or how about “The Terror of Tiny Town”? (the only all-midget Western ever made…)
Or anything, anything at all, directed by the very, very great and truly underappreciated Alan Smithee?
January 19th, 2008 at 12:57 amAnd don’t forget the immortal “Plan 9 from Outerspace”!
(Nobody gives 2 f()cks about Bela!)
January 19th, 2008 at 12:58 amI can only watch those movies with Joel/Mike and the ‘bots.
January 19th, 2008 at 12:59 amA classic! But, “Children Shouldn’t Play With Dead Things†is even worse/better.
Comment by Impolitics — January 19, 2008 @ 12:55 am
Oh, yeah. That one sucked pretty bad too, but I respectfully disagree. IMHO Video Zombies was just a bit worst =)
January 19th, 2008 at 1:01 amAnd don’t forget the immortal “Plan 9 from Outerspaceâ€!
(Nobody gives 2 f()cks about Bela!)
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 19, 2008 @ 12:58 am
Ha! Tor Johnson, “Imma Bigga Boy Now”
Criswell “Greetings, my friend. We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future.”
And don’t forget “Terrorvision”. Imagine Bushco as the invading aliens
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzkRxwQeO3I
January 19th, 2008 at 1:04 amPlan 9 from Outerspace
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 19, 2008 @ 12:58 am
Another clasic, yep.
Have you ever seen “Dusk till Dawn II”? The first one was good, the second, only a bad B connoisseur could love.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:05 amI laughed through the whole movie.
Don’t forget “Forbidden Zone”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Uh-AFFDys
January 19th, 2008 at 1:08 am“Greetings, my friend. We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future.â€
Comment by Brain From Planet Arous — January 19, 2008 @ 1:04 am
Jeebus… that sounds like sumpin’ Brusch would say… I’m not gonna sleep good tonight…
January 19th, 2008 at 1:09 amFour nails and a hammer and we can put IMPEACHMENT ‘BACK’ on the that table….move over Nancy.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:09 amHave you ever seen “Dusk till Dawn II� The first one was good, the second, only a bad B connoisseur could love.
I laughed through the whole movie.
Comment by Wayne — January 19, 2008 @ 1:05 am
I saw the first one. Jeebus, they must have bought their squirting gore from Costco — the super-duper buckets…
January 19th, 2008 at 1:10 amIMHO Video Zombies was just a bit worst =)
Comment by Wayne — January 19, 2008 @ 1:01 am
The difference isn’t worth arguing. Personally, I give “Children” extra points for the “Magic boom-mic”, and it’s shadow, which seemed to find it’s way into most scenes.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:11 amI laughed through the whole movie.
Comment by Wayne — January 19, 2008 @ 1:05 am
Saw the first one, never saw the 2nd. Loved “Pulp Fiction”. Couldn’t believe the Pawn Shop scene the first time I saw it.
“I’m gonna git me some hard, pipe hittin’ ni**as, ‘n a blow torch ‘n some pliars. You hear me, hillbilly boy? I’m gonna git medieval on your a**”.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:13 am“Perhaps Tom Ridge left the administration because he objected to the evil it is infested with.
Comment by Nevar — January 18, 2008 @ 10:27 pm”
Ridge went public with his unhappiness with the politically driven terrorist color code shortly after he resigned as head of Homeland Security.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:13 am“Yep, Vote anti-incumbent in the primaries and anti-republican in the finals, though.
Wayne S. would say,â€Give ‘m the bird, vote for a third†=)
Comment by Wayne — January 18, 2008 @ 11:03 pm”
No way in hell I do that. Feingold and Baldwin deserve to be in power.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:16 amDtD II was bad (so was III), but, there’s something about bad zombie movies that bad vampire movies can’t quite match.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:17 amDtD II was bad (so was III), but, there’s something about bad zombie movies that bad vampire movies can’t quite match.
Comment by Impolitics — January 19, 2008 @ 1:17 am
That is so true.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:18 am… there’s something about bad zombie movies that bad vampire movies can’t quite match.
Comment by Impolitics — January 19, 2008 @ 1:17 am
Clearly, Sir, you have never seen “Dracula’s Dog”!
January 19th, 2008 at 1:19 amI am not a horror fan. The only one I really like is Army of Darkness…Bruce Campbell is a god.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:19 amFeingold and Baldwin deserve to be in power.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 19, 2008 @ 1:16 am
We don’t ALL of ‘em out… just 98% of ‘em.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:19 amNo way in hell I do that. Feingold and Baldwin deserve to be in power.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 19, 2008 @ 1:16 am
I would vote for them if I could. I am in Texas, so I have many to vote against, and few worth voting for.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:21 amTexas is gerrymandered all to hell still.
Clearly, Sir, you have never seen “Dracula’s Dogâ€!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 19, 2008 @ 1:19 am
I will have to find that one and check it out.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:22 amI understand. I am one of the few lucky ones. Those two are the best. I will vote against Korporate Kohl in the primary like I do every election.
Ugh, the Delay effect is still being felt in Texas, eh?
January 19th, 2008 at 1:24 amIt’s truly terrible, Wayne.
They put false fangs on a real German Shepard and threw the poor thing through the air when it supposedly was striking its victims.
“Alan Smithee”, BTW, is a fake name they use on movies when the real director is too embarrassed, or angry, to put his, or her, real name on the film. I’ve seen a couple of Alan Smithee films over the years.
“Shrimp On the Barbie”, w/ Cheech (from Cheech and Chong), is an Alan Smithee film.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:29 amShrimp on the Barbie was great!!! Well, I should say I actually watched the whole movie. There weren’t any good CSI reruns on. Ok, it was really bad.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:31 amBruce Campbell is a god.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 19, 2008 @ 1:19 am
Ah, yes… the Raimi Brothers!
“The Adventures of Brisco County”!
The Swill Brothers… “Nobody touches ma piece but me, Briscoe!”
And don’t forget the films of Dario Argenti! There’s even one where where all the people in a movie theater get turned into zombies, and 2 people start riding a motorcycle thru the aisles, chopping them up w/ a samurai sword, and then a heliopter crashes thru the roof, and the spinning blades of the rotor (it’s actually a moving wing, ahem…) send zombie body parts flying everywhere. Ya can’t make this stuff up, folks. This is a real movie…
January 19th, 2008 at 1:35 amI even love the “Hungry Like the Wolf” commercials. My ideal movie would have him and Steve Buscemi as co-stars.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:37 amOk, it was really bad.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 19, 2008 @ 1:31 am
then you, Sir, have had the Alan Smithee Experience! And are truly a Connoissuer of Bad Movies!
We hereby award you the “Croix du Cinema du Merde”!
January 19th, 2008 at 1:39 amWell, I like really bad comedies. I don’t like horrors (which are mostly bad anyway). Bad dramas do nothing for me. I like bad sci-fi when MST3000 is parodying it. So…depends on the genre.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:50 amI like some merde, just not others. :)
January 19th, 2008 at 1:50 amI like bad sci-fi when MST3000 is parodying it. So…depends on the genre.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 19, 2008 @ 1:50 am
MST3K = Fantastic!
Who do you like best? Joel or Mike?
January 19th, 2008 at 1:51 am.
A rose, by any other name(enhanced interrogation) is still a rose(torture) just the same.
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January 19th, 2008 at 1:54 amOkay… here’s a question fer ya…
Which are better/worse to sit thru…
Really cheap/bad movies…
Or really EXPENSIVE/bad movies? Cleopatra… Show Girls… Butterfly?
January 19th, 2008 at 1:55 amI like bad sci-fi when MST3000 is parodying it. So…depends on the genre.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 19, 2008 @ 1:50 am
I enjoyed Mars Attacks, but they did that as an intentional parody.
And MSFT3000 rocks.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:55 amThat is like who was better on Blues Clues??? Steve or Joe!!! In other words, easy choice. Joel was the best (and Steve for Blue’s Clues :) )
January 19th, 2008 at 1:56 amTRoS, it depends on what has more nudity. Show Girls is a classic!!!
January 19th, 2008 at 1:57 amEver see the Simpsons where Homer rents “Paint Your Wagon” because it’s got Clint Eastwood and Lee Marvin in it, and THEN finds out it’s a bad musical?
“Gonna paint a wagon, gonna paint it good… gonna use an oil-based primer ’cause it’s green pine wood!”
January 19th, 2008 at 1:57 amReally cheap/bad movies…
Or really EXPENSIVE/bad movies? Cleopatra… Show Girls… Butterfly?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 19, 2008 @ 1:55 am
Really cheap bad movies — the others are just too sad.
January 19th, 2008 at 1:57 amShow Girls is a classic!!!
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 19, 2008 @ 1:57 am
True… when in doubt… go for the nudity!
January 19th, 2008 at 1:58 amShow Girls is a classic!!!
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 19, 2008 @ 1:57 am
OMFG, it was putrid!
January 19th, 2008 at 2:00 amThat said, 9 1/2 Weeks was awful. Then again it could have something to do with me not wanting to get an STD over celluloid from Mickey Rourke.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:00 amthe others are just too sad.
Comment by Zooey — January 19, 2008 @ 1:57 am
Also true… there is something… painful… in realizing some misguided fool/s actually dumped $30/40/50MM into THAT gigantic POS…
January 19th, 2008 at 2:00 amZooey, Elizabeth Berkeley!!! Saved by the Bell!!!! I am not a fan of the plot but the special effects were great!!
January 19th, 2008 at 2:01 amSpeaking of horrible movies, Starship Troopers is playing.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:03 amComment by Sabyen91 — January 19, 2008 @ 2:00 am
True again. I actually liked Mickey Rourke years ago in “Diner”, but since then? Ever try to sit thru “Orchid”?
I met Mickey once, at a wrap party in the late ’80’s. Kinda short, and weird. Not very friendly.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:03 amAlso true… there is something… painful… in realizing some misguided fool/s actually dumped $30/40/50MM into THAT gigantic POS…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 19, 2008 @ 2:00 am
It really helps if they obviously don’t care.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:03 amI read the book and it was ok!!! The movie stinks. One of the worst adaptations ever.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:03 amZooey, Elizabeth Berkeley!!! Saved by the Bell!!!! I am not a fan of the plot but the special effects were great!!
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 19, 2008 @ 2:01 am
Saved by the Bell, Blues Clues — I’ve never seen either one of them. There were special effects…?
January 19th, 2008 at 2:04 am“I met Mickey once, at a wrap party in the late ’80’s. Kinda short, and weird. Not very friendly.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 19, 2008 @ 2:03 am”
Whenever I see him I think…”pedophile”. I would never let him babysit my son.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:05 amAh yes, “Starship Troopers”!
Terrible movie! I knew folks that worked on that. They said it was the worst working experience of their adult lives, and the director was a total fascist.
Speaking of bad movies, what about the films David Caruso, from NYPD Blue, chose to be in after leaving the series… Jade?
January 19th, 2008 at 2:06 amBlues Clues is a kids show. Trust me, Steve was better. Saved by the Bell was the precursor for shows like Dawson’s Creek. But kind of funny. And special effects was code for hot :)
January 19th, 2008 at 2:06 amI met Mickey once, at a wrap party in the late ’80’s. Kinda short, and weird. Not very friendly.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 19, 2008 @ 2:03 am
He’s had that plastic surgery. He looks f_cking bizarre…
January 19th, 2008 at 2:06 amMickey was pretty sleazy lookin’ in person too.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:06 amHehe, I am half-watching CSI-Miami right now. Caruso has his head cocked to the left!!
January 19th, 2008 at 2:07 amI swear he has a spinal problem.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:09 amSpeaking of bad movies, what about the films David Caruso, from NYPD Blue, chose to be in after leaving the series… Jade?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 19, 2008 @ 2:06 am
I never saw that — can’t stand the guy. Did you see the South Park thing where one of the kids told his baby brothe to do his impression of David Caruso’s career? And he jump head first off a cliff? Ha!
January 19th, 2008 at 2:09 amLOL, I am all for that, Zoo. Caruso is a horrible actor. And his head tilts to the left…like Ike’s, the baby brother.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:11 amNever saw that South Park, but that sounds about right.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:12 amSaved by the Bell was the precursor for shows like Dawson’s Creek. But kind of funny. And special effects was code for hot :)
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 19, 2008 @ 2:06 am
Aren’t you forgetting 90120? Was the hot one’s name Shannon Dougherty or something? Maybe I am confusing her with Doughtie from Facts of Life
January 19th, 2008 at 2:12 amWaterboard the President. Ask him about the missing e-mails and the torture tapes. Bet he tells you everything in 35 seconds or less.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:14 amY’all watch too much teevee.
DVDs are the best. I love my Doctor Who.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:15 amI thought the girl from Scary Movie 3 was the best looking girl on 90210…or was it Melrose Place? I don’t know. She was in Tin Man, too. Good mini-series.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:17 amZoo, who was your favorite Dr. Who? Mine was Tom Baker.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:17 amGarsh… it’s late ‘n I’m hungry.
Gotta go. Nice being back here. Talk to ya’ll later!
‘N a Troll-Free night ta boot! How the heck did that happen?
January 19th, 2008 at 2:18 amZoo, there is some good stuff on TV (you just have to search for it). Tin Man was great. The History channel rocks. Mythbusters is good.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:19 amJP, of the old series, Tom Baker was my fav. Oh the new series, I must admit, David Tennant has grown on me.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:19 amNight, TRoS.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:19 amIT’S NOT “WATERBOARDING.â€
Waterboarding involves Pamela Anderson, breaking waves in Malibu, and cold beer bottles perched on the sand, or at least it comes across as sounding that way.
It’s “PARTIAL DROWNING INTERROGATION.â€
January 19th, 2008 at 2:19 amPARTIAL DROWNING INTERROGATION
PARTIAL DROWNING INTERROGATION
PARTIAL DROWNING INTERROGATION
PARTIAL DROWNING INTERROGATION
PARTIAL DROWNING INTERROGATION
PARTIAL DROWNING INTERROGATION
I haven’t watched the new series. I just have a feeling it would be a huge disappointment.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:20 amI love Mythbusters!! They’re so smart!
They do stuff on my old stomping grounds. Deep water pool stuff at my old high school, and all the runway stuff is at the old Navy base I used to live on.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:21 amMy favorite was the Daleks saying “EXTERMINATE!!!” It was so cheesy but I loved it.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:22 amNo way, JP, you’d love it. :-)
January 19th, 2008 at 2:22 amZoo, where are they based? I would have thought they would do their stuff in Cali.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:24 amHmm, I will definitely have to watch it.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:25 amThe Daleks sound just as hysterical. They’re supposed to be soooo dangerous, but I think they’re hilarious.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:25 amJP, Mythbusters are in California. I grew up in the Bay Area.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:26 amWell, I was about 10 when I watched Tom Baker battle the Daleks. They didn’t give me nightmares :). My second favorite show at that time was Monty Python…it was the one show my brother and I convinced my mom to stay up late for (which meant past 9).
January 19th, 2008 at 2:29 amAnother classic. All children should be exposed to Monty Python.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:34 amAll children should be exposed to lumberjacks :)
January 19th, 2008 at 2:36 amEspecially if they dress in womens’ clothing. :D
January 19th, 2008 at 2:41 amAnd hang around in bars :)
January 19th, 2008 at 2:42 amAnd wear high heels!
January 19th, 2008 at 2:44 amI have a request at The Zoo!
January 19th, 2008 at 2:46 amYour wish has been granted — it only happens at the Zoo!
January 19th, 2008 at 2:50 amYou are the ooooooman.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:52 amI’ll take that as a compliment. :-)
January 19th, 2008 at 2:53 amHehe, it is…It is caveman for great woman.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:54 amHeh.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:55 amSideways head man is done. More CSI-Miami to come.
January 19th, 2008 at 3:00 amTime for some Harold and Kumar!!
January 19th, 2008 at 3:00 amI’m off to bed. Take care, JP.
January 19th, 2008 at 3:03 amNight Zoo, sleep well.
January 19th, 2008 at 3:06 amComment 11
In some cases, very true. In other cases we just can’t know about the dissidents in the military who were sent to Nazi prison camps, or Gitmo as enemy combatants, or just fired and had their family threatened, etc.
Hitler for example wasn’t going to record “contrary opinions” anywhere.
January 19th, 2008 at 3:36 amThis is what the religious moral right has brought America to – us clapping someone on the back for coming out and calling torture, torture.
That is the rightwing’s moral superiority, their ethical high ground, that they took America from being a state were opposing things like waterboarding would be a matter of course similar to opposing rape, to this.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:52 amsonova gun, a honest republican… at least for one issue. Tom ridge ought to think about switching parties or becoming an independent (but not of the LIEberman kind of course). If Ridge stays a republican, we’re going to put him a museum.
January 19th, 2008 at 9:32 am.
Michael Chertoff is an Israeli Mossad agent, and he thinks torture is “effective.”
January 19th, 2008 at 9:57 amDuh!
January 19th, 2008 at 10:12 amSpeaking of Zombies and Chertoff, officially the first zombie movie with men in suits (not jungle zombies), before Vincent Price’s adaptation of I am Legend, “The Last Man on Earth”, and Night of the Living Dead was “Invisible Invaders”. See it!! Paul Dunlap doing the eerie soundtrack.
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i258/_Maikor_/MYSPACE/Zombie%20Movies/InvisibleInvaders1959.jpg
http://uashome.alaska.edu/~jndfg20/website/invisible.jpg
January 19th, 2008 at 10:48 am
The ORIGINAL Invaders From Mars (1953) was an interesting story. William Cameron Menzies (Gone With The Wind, Things to Come) was under investigation as a “Commie”. He wrote the story based on this. The brain implants could have been the Nazis who were now hunting Russians and Liberals in the USA. If you get to see the original, keep this is mind. Forget the 1985 version.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045917/
http://tytusdezoo.republika.pl/pictandsound/sf/invaders/invaders4.jpg
http://www.eccentric-cinema.com/images2003/movie_pix_a-i/invaders_mars10.jpg
January 19th, 2008 at 11:00 amMichael Chertoff is an Israeli Mossad agent, and he thinks torture is “effective.â€
Comment by plunger — January 19, 2008 @ 9:57 am
As usual plunger is correct. More on this:
http://www.viewzone.com/dualcitizen.html
January 19th, 2008 at 11:04 amYou can add lie-bermen to the list along with shitoff…Same camp, same background, same allegnce to Israel…Neither are american’s….Blessings
January 19th, 2008 at 11:17 amI agree, traitors to America….one and all.
January 19th, 2008 at 11:20 amOff topic, but pretty funny.
Notice this guy is from the same place Tom DeLay makes his home.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/19/doctored.photo.ap/index.html
January 19th, 2008 at 11:44 amI’ve heard ad nauseum from the dopes who say because saying this and that so many Americans have died. They’re full a shit. How many Americans have died because Bush and his army does torture? Only true combat vets are going to tell you, the professionals at least, torture hardly ever gets good info, gets troops killed because the torturee will say anything to find relief including setting troops up, and when one of ours gets in enemy hands they are going to suffer payback. The Bush administration hardly has anyone that did their duty and served so how are these people going to know what torture is or does? Their political appointees including generals behind desks are going to say, “oh, yes, torture is good for everything under the sun.” Fact is, this is the country George has made. Fattening the rich and getting the working class (for the most part) killed in Iraq while he flatters himself as some kind of stud Texas cuttin’ brush in Waco. Hey, this little frat rat is from New Haven Connecticut and went to school there. Texan my ass. His military service was bogus, we all know that, and he was a c student at Yale. We are supposed to listen to what this prick says!! And to top it off, the “commander in Chief” is a draft dodger. Jeez. No wonder the economy is in the shitter, jobs are being lost, the dow is three feet lower than whale shit and Bush and his cronies have the gall to say…”the surge worked.” Laughable and damn near enough to make you want to do things you shouldn’t.
January 19th, 2008 at 11:57 amWATERBOARDING IS TORTURE! HAGUE 2009 FOR THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION! INDICT IMPEACH IMPRISON BUSH/CHENNEY AND THEIR PERSONEL.
January 19th, 2008 at 12:16 pmhttp://closetheenronloophole.com/
January 19th, 2008 at 1:48 pmhttp://closetheenronloophole.com/
http://closetheenronloophole.com/
http://closetheenronloophole.com/
You can add lie-bermen to the list along with shitoff…Same camp, same background, same allegnce to Israel…Neither are american’s….Blessings
Comment by Witch1
Sounds like we should compile the “National STUPIDTY Estimate” (NSE)
January 19th, 2008 at 1:50 pmGROW UP COWARDS!! BE MEN!!
Comment by John Kerry — January 19, 2008 @ 4:16 pm
That one will live for the ages. Totally classic and the best shit I have seen all day. Well, other than some of my plastic fetus work.
January 19th, 2008 at 4:34 pm#208 Comment by John Kerry — January 19, 2008 @ 4:16 pm
GROW UP COWARDS!! BE MEN!!
Grow up, John Kerry, and join the human race.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:32 pmGROW UP COWARDS!! BE MEN!!
Comment by John Kerry — January 19, 2008 @ 4:16 pm
Now, I will not call you any names, but answer one simple question…Why did the USA prosecute Germans and Japanese after WW2 for torturing people, including WATERBOARDING?
January 19th, 2008 at 9:07 pmGROW UP COWARDS!! BE MEN!!
Comment by John Kerry — January 19, 2008 @ 4:16 pm
Now, I will not call you any names, but answer one simple question…Why did the USA prosecute Germans and Japanese after WW2 for torturing people, including WATERBOARDING?
Comment by Brain From Planet Arous
It was the Japanese who liked to waterboard their prisoners. And yes, we prosecuted and hung them for doing it.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:23 amIt was the Japanese who liked to waterboard their prisoners. And yes, we prosecuted and hung them for doing it.
Comment by shoeless — January 21, 2008 @ 9:23 am
But…but…but….we Neocon-Zion-Christo-Nazis are the chosen ones. It is in the Lord God’s will that we torture the Ones Who are Not Like Us. We are Clean and wholesome, and GOD wants us to torture the Evil-doers, and this would include Liberals, Progressives, Gun Owners, Pagans, Gays (except Republicans), Vegetarians, Feminists, Atheists, Muslims, Buddhists, Nudists, Bird Watchers, Workers, anti war activists, and union organizers.
January 21st, 2008 at 2:19 pm