Clinton wins Nevada caucuses.
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) won today’s Democratic caucuses in Nevada, joining former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, who won the GOP side.
UPDATE: The New York Times reports on the record turnout:
With 84 percent of the precincts reporting across the state, state party officials said more than 107,000 Nevada voters attended the caucuses. It is the third state in the row to achieve record-setting turnout in the Democratic presidential nominating fight, which party strategists believe is a referendum on the Bush administration and a strong call for a new direction in Washington.
Just 9,000 voters participated in the state’s 2004 Democratic caucus.
UPDATE II: Ari Melber at The Nation reports that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) may take the most delegates from Nevada, despite receiving fewer votes.
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Great, just effing great.
January 19th, 2008 at 4:27 pmHello Shayne…..Just another day in the fixed race’s by the media..Blessings
January 19th, 2008 at 4:29 pmThe media whores who are pushing her must be proud. The best candidat, John Edwards. can’t get any coverage. The media is owned by the military industrial complex. What does that say about Hillary?
January 19th, 2008 at 4:30 pmTranslation: Corporate America wins in Nevada. Middle Class Americans lose.
January 19th, 2008 at 4:32 pmWell hell kasinca, look what the media and Dem’s did to their own..Not a wimper or mention at what they are doeing to Kucinich…Par for the course….Blessings
January 19th, 2008 at 4:32 pmTweety Matthews will be cherping his ass off.
January 19th, 2008 at 4:33 pmOver 75% of Americans wants an end to this war in Iraq…but look who is winning from both parties…McCain…Clinton… …Huckabee..Romney…the war pushers…
Interesting..Isn’t it…!!
January 19th, 2008 at 4:38 pmHaha! Edwards: 5%. So much for your “changeâ€.
Comment by Frank M — January 19, 2008 @ 4:40 pm
yeah, Frank, I’m sure you’ll be real happy when Hillary has all those unitary powers to jail republicans with.
January 19th, 2008 at 4:43 pmTarazan, Yep! all these candiates along with the media are the drug pusher’s (fear, smear, War) and the public is eating it up like users..Sad..And we are still 10 month’s out to voting and the good guy’s are denied the debate…..Blessings
January 19th, 2008 at 4:43 pmThe United States in going in the right direction finally.
January 19th, 2008 at 4:48 pmNow I know some people who love the corruption and the fallen Stock Market. Even the death of our soldiers plus the lost of homes for millions and lost of jobs in America. Yes you folks can now go back in your racist hole and wait for a 25 year change to come out again to have the KKK work their magic. At lease
Goldman Sachs and Paulson got their billions of US taxpayers money. Now I do wonder what Tweety will do when either Hillary or Obama become President. He has used his racist sexist language of hate on both candidates.
This falling to the “center” just makes me veer to the left.
January 19th, 2008 at 4:49 pmJust my 1 opinion,but I do think Hillary knows how to deal with corperate america. We need a honest ‘clean’ business partnership with them, but a giant FIRM legal HAND when they get out of control as they sure are now.
January 19th, 2008 at 4:55 pmI live in Nevada, and I voted for Obama (who won my precinct). I wish Obama had won, but caucusing was a good experience–everyone was friendly, passionate about their chosen candidates, and ready to whip the Republicans in November. All in all, it was encouraging.
January 19th, 2008 at 4:56 pmin my nevada precinct, here’s how it went… 24 people stood up for hillary, 22 for obama, and 11 for edwards, which, by caucus delegate-allocation rules, gave 2 delegates to hillary, 2 to obama, and 1 to edwards… oh, yeah … i stood up for edwards, not cuz i happen to be an edwards supporter, he just happened to be the least objectionable choice… not an auspicious start, i’ll admit…
i did strike up a good conversation with a couple who were in the edwards group, and we shared our deep concerns over what’s happening to the constitution, rule of law, and accountability… i’ll probably arrange to meet them for coffee sometime this week…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
January 19th, 2008 at 4:57 pmTweety is gonna say she owes her win to him!
January 19th, 2008 at 4:58 pmbush
clinton
bush
clinton
I thought we dumped the monarchy 230 some years ago….
January 19th, 2008 at 4:59 pmJust my 1 opinion,but I do think Hillary knows how to deal with corperate america. We need a honest ‘clean’ business partnership with them, but a giant FIRM legal HAND when they get out of control as they sure are now.
Comment by wisedup — January 19, 2008 @ 4:55 pm
I would accept Hillary under one condition. She appoints someone like Kucinich, Edwards, Feingold, or even Fitzgerald ( Yes he is Republican, but he is honest ) as Attorney General. Then I would trust her, maybe, a little bit.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:04 pmIn my precinct, there were 44 for Obama, 41 for Clinton, and 17 for Edwards. The Obama group that I was standing with was very friendly, generally young, and very savvy about politics. I spent a while talking with a women who was a Ron Paul supporter but who decided against attending the Republican caucus and wound up supporting Obama instead. This leads me to think there must be other Paul supporters who might jump ship and vote for Obama if they get the chance in the general election.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:04 pmThe so called analyst juuuuust can’t bring themselves to admit it is sort of amazing Ron Paul is beating the ” war hero ” John Mccain in Nevada . Not only that they won’t EVEN bring it up, totally ignoring , their hero got beat by a unknown national politician and their ” maverick ” ,the guy they heap praises on, nonstop is looking more and more irrelevant , just like their other pathetic ” hero” Rudy .
My prediction Clinton Vrs. Romney .
January 19th, 2008 at 5:04 pmAll I want to know is, “Which Republican Corporation is counting the votes in Nevada?” Anyone with half a brain will have figured out that some GOP operative when into Diebold vote counting software in the New Hampshire primary election and flipped a few thousand Obama votes to Hillary, for whatever machevilian (sic) reasons….
Imagine if Democratically-owned voting machine companies were “counting the votes” in our elections in secret with propriatiary (sic) software. Republicans would be up in arms, screaming bloody murder!
But since the reverse situation has been true for the last eight years (at least), mums the word… I can understand why the Republican corporate media does not want to talk about Republican operatives hacking, rigging, fixing and stealing elections electronically. I cannot understand why Democrats and some progressives, such as Al Franken and DailyKos, want to keep this dirty cheating swept under the rug…
January 19th, 2008 at 5:06 pmGod help us. If Hillary is elected president, the Democrats will swing as far left as the whacko nut jobs took the Republicans to the extreme right.
But it would still be a helluva sight better than what we’ve had to deal with for the last 7 years.
Damned if you do….damned if you don’t.
I’m sick of it.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:08 pmRepublicans will just start dying when Hillary takes office.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:09 pmGreat news for us Conservatives!!!
Keep winning Mama!!!
January 19th, 2008 at 5:11 pmIf you want to know which Democratic candidate is the greatest threat to right wing, war mongering neo-conservatives then pay attention to which candidate receives the greatest amount of criticism and hatred from the right. That candidate would be Hillary Clinton.
Congratulations once again to Senator Clinton.
Comment by delafield — January 19, 2008 @ 5:06 pm
I am neither Republican, nor right. I will debate you on Clinton’s Senate record and who is paying her bills, anytime. I do not like her record of what she has done since in the Senate. Frankly the same goes for Obama. I judge by the fruits of their labors, not what smoothness comes from their mouths.
If You want to smear all who do not trust her as being the “hating right”, rather than trying to win us over with facts, I have only one thing to say to you.
F_CK YOU.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:15 pmRepublicans will just start dying when Hillary takes office.
Comment by Perry logan — January 19, 2008 @ 5:09 pm
I can’t wait to see either Hillary or Obama in the WH. Having to live with either a woman or a black president will make the neo-cons heads explode. It will absolutely drive them fu(king insane.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:16 pmGreat news for us Conservatives!!!
Keep winning Mama!!!
Comment by John Kerry — January 19, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
See, even a troll recognized a Republi-Lieberman-like-lite when it sees one.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:19 pmHey #1, I loved your posts on the previous thread. Got distracted and forgot to mention it.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:22 pmActually, looking at the multitude of reports coming in from people ACTUALLY attending the caucuses, it looks like Clinton won Nevada legitimately. People under 45 just did…not…show…up. The caucuses were loaded to bear with older women voters. This, not a fix, is why Nevada went to Clinton.
Doesn’t mean I have to like it. It certainly doesn’t mean I agree with Sen. Clinton on many important issues. But this state, at least, doesn’t appear to be foul play. New Hampshire, on the other hand, does appear to have endured vote tampering that favored Sen. Clinton (not that such is indicative of foul play on her part, as a Clinton win serves the Republicans best…thus, motive to cheat in favor of Clinton still meshes with the most favorable outcome for those who own the electronic voting machines).
The MSM announcing the winner for the Republicans before the caucuses began to vote, in a day and age when the news is read real-time on a CELLPHONE, is the egregious act of vote tampering that occurred today.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:26 pmIt is laughable that Hillary is playing the ‘underdog’..with all the muscles that helped her and gave her strength in the Democratic party machine,that other candidates do not have,plus the media fixation with Hillary, her husband…the money pouring in her campaign from many powerful groups, who expect a pay back when she wins.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:27 pmI’m sorry, Wayne, but I refuse to debate people who spew profanity, hatred, and violence.
Comment by delafield — January 19, 2008 @ 5:22 pm
So you smear like a troll and have no facts, but your smug self-superiority cling to.
And that makes you better than the neocons how?
I am a veteran who damn well earned the right to use my first Amendment rights, and if I think you deserve a good cussing out, I’m darn sure gonna give it to you. You smeared first and you got what was coming.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:28 pmBut yes, John Edwards, again, was the snubbed party here on the Dem side (and of course Kucinich). With an Obama 33%/Clinton 31%/Edwards 29% split before the caucus, Edwards STILL received, for all intents and purposes, no media coverage whatsoever. Edwards won the Nevada debate according to the polls as well. Yet…no coverage.
Ron Paul took SECOND PLACE, beating out McCain, but where is that coverage?!?! No, instead, the Republican reporting is all about Romney in Nevada, and McCain and Huckabee in South Carolina.
Edwards and Paul…being forced out of the debate by corporate America, day by day, state by state.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:30 pmFinally, there is some sense in the world. She WILL get things done once in…trussit!
January 19th, 2008 at 5:33 pmHay Wayne, count me in with your side..I don’t see the joy in this win..Just business as usual..And BTW to the poster that said Hillery was as far left as the bush bunch is far reich….Your wrong….They are all big business supporter’s and merely reflection’s of one another to one degree or another…Bad guy’s and enabeler’s are all the say..Blessings
January 19th, 2008 at 5:34 pmClinton wins Nevada. It is another sad day for Progressives.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:34 pmAll I want to know is, “Which Republican Corporation is counting the votes in Nevada?†Anyone with half a brain will have figured out that some GOP operative when into Diebold vote counting software in the New Hampshire primary election and flipped a few thousand Obama votes to Hillary, for whatever machevilian (sic) reasons….
It’s a caucus. There are no machine-counted votes. Unless Diebold is manufacturing replicants to go stand in the Clinton crowd.
I’m not happy about Hillary winning another state so soon after NH and so soon before Super Tuesday, but Nevada is about as uncorruptible by Diebold or any voting-machine manufacturer as is physically possible.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:37 pmI’ll take the high road and you can take the low road.
o/` And ye’ll be in Scotland afore him… o/` :0D
January 19th, 2008 at 5:38 pm“I’ll tell you what, Wayne. I’ll take the high road and you can take the low road.”
Comment by delafield —
“Republicans will just start dying when Hillary takes office.”
Comment by Perry logan —
“The sooner the better.”
Comment by delafield
I think you took a wrong turn on the “high road,” delafield.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:40 pmInteresting comments. Now for all those bloggers who do respect woman as well as their Mothers and those who aren’t racist it was a good day. Yes Change will come with Hillary or Obama, most likely both. Hillary brings earned experience and Obama bring much needed change and hope. Both bring respect back to the White House and for World Leaders to see we will no longer lie, steal, torture or illegally invade countries. Yes the Republicans will be very up set as you’re read with some comments above. When Americans see they can get jobs, invest, keep their homes and work for that American Dream then we’ll have our country back. It’s said you have to hit your lowest before you realize it’s time to stand up. The Stock Market will drop below 11, 000 while Bush stays in office. Goldman Sachs has robbed the taxpayers blind. Henry Paulson the corrupt US Treasury Secretary is doing the following:
January 19th, 2008 at 5:42 pmAlan Greenspan, whom some blame for fueling a housing bubble, is signing on as an adviser to hedge-fund firm Paulson, which has profited handsomely from the collapse of that bubble. …
It’s good to be a criminal friend of the Bush Administration as Americans stick their heads in the sand.
-Thank you for voting for the corporate lobby money pre-approved candidate
-But I didn’t vote for her?
-Thank you for voting for the corporate lobby money pre-approved candidate
-But I didn’t vote for her, I voted for…
-Thank you for voting for the corporate lobby money pre-approved candidate, please take your paper receipt after pushing the button
-Oh….OK….
January 19th, 2008 at 5:42 pmIf Hillary is elected president, the Democrats will swing as far left as the whacko nut jobs took the Republicans to the extreme right.
Whatever. Billary will triangulate and run to the middle, of the republican party. Name one issue that Hillary is left of the center of this country. Remember, an overwhelming majority of Americans want us out of Iraq.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:42 pmI’ll tell you what, Wayne. I’ll take the high road and you can take the low road.
Comment by delafield — January 19, 2008 @ 5:36 pm
Actually I like the high road, because it represents honor. Something you might want to learn about.
And has better sniper vantages
Sanctimonious twit.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:43 pmHay dumbass #42 he is not my candidate, neither is hillery…This is the last time I will respond to this troll…We can’t fix stupid.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:44 pmBarak Obama has been praising Ronald Reagan for the past 7 days. What’s that all about?
Comment by delafield — January 19, 2008 @ 5:40 pm
And Hillary Clinton’s coffers are filled by Corporate Crooks.
Neither of the two deserve my vote at this time.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:45 pmNeither of them will get my vote ever wayne…..Blessings
January 19th, 2008 at 5:47 pmBillary will triangulate and run to the middle, of the republican party. Name one issue that Hillary is left of the center of this country. Remember, an overwhelming majority of Americans want us out of Iraq.
Comment by Bobwurst
Think Joe Lieberman, in a power-pantsuit…
January 19th, 2008 at 5:50 pmDid you know that your candidate, Barak Obama has been praising Ronald Reagan for the past 7 days. What’s that all about?
Comment by delafield — January 19, 2008 @ 5:40 pm
What makes you think any of us are Obama supporters? Witch#1 is a Kucinich supporter. I’m an Edwards supporter. And yes we know Obama’s been praising Reagan. Do you have a point?
January 19th, 2008 at 5:50 pmA possible investment opportunity may exist in the PFD (personal flotation device, otherwise known as a life jacket) market.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:52 pmA lot of Republicans will be paying whatever the market will bear as the tsunami of democratic reform swells over their pointy little heads.
“I think all the “Hillary Haters†and all the “Obama Haters†should vote for Nader again. That worked out well in 2000 and 2004, don’t you think?”
Comment by delafield
Builds strawmen just like a wingnut - badly.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:56 pmWhat makes you think any of us are Obama supporters? Witch#1 is a Kucinich supporter. I’m an Edwards supporter. And yes we know Obama’s been praising Reagan. Do you have a point?
Comment by Shayne — January 19, 2008 @ 5:50 pm
I was leaning towards Dobb/Kucinich, I also like Edwards, his only strike being he voted for the war, which he has publicly apologized for. So he might get my vote. Oba-illary won’t get my vote.
That is for the primaries.
When it is Repug vs Dem, I will vote Dem, even if it makes me ill.
I would vote for a cactus over any of the Republican candidates
January 19th, 2008 at 5:58 pmSo, Wayne and Witch1, If Billary or Obama is the Dem candidate, how will you vote in November?
January 19th, 2008 at 5:59 pmI think all the “Hillary Haters†and all the “Obama Haters†should vote for Nader again. That worked out well in 2000 and 2004, don’t you think?
Comment by delafield — January 19, 2008 @ 5:52 pm
There you go again, earning yourself second Cheney.
F**k You.
Try for a third, turd
January 19th, 2008 at 6:02 pmRE: All I want to know is, “Which Republican Corporation is counting the votes in Nevada?†Anyone with half a brain will have figured out that some GOP operative when into Diebold vote counting software in the New Hampshire primary election and flipped a few thousand Obama votes to Hillary, for whatever machevilian (sic) reasons….
It’s a caucus. There are no machine-counted votes. Unless Diebold is manufacturing replicants to go stand in the Clinton crowd.
I’m not happy about Hillary winning another state so soon after NH and so soon before Super Tuesday, but Nevada is about as uncorruptible by Diebold or any voting-machine manufacturer as is physically possible.
Comment by jayjaybear — January 19, 2008 @ 5:37 pm
Thank you jayjaybear. I guess that I’m just a little on the paranoid side, after discovering the massive electronic election theft by the Bush gangsters in the 2004 Presidential Election. And I am disgusted to have learned that some 81% of the votes in the New Hampshire Primary Election were “counted” on software undoubted designed to be insecure and hackable so that GOP thugs can alter the results to what ever they choose (and dare…). May be the caucus is the only democratically counted form of voting in 2008.
We need 100% hand-counted paper ballots in our elections if we are to eliminate the constant threat of Republican thugs electroniclly
January 19th, 2008 at 6:02 pmaltering our election returns. Eight years of GOP electronic fascism should be enough for us…
Clinton and Obama have split the delegate votes.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:02 pmIf Clinton wins the WH, we can look forward to at least 4 years of hellish dirty tricks, accusations and hate from the repugs.
If Obama wins, I expect there would be less of that, but he will have to get past the racists first.
Builds strawmen just like a wingnut - badly.
Comment by barfly —
Agreed barfly, no imagine whatsoever…
(notice how the wingnuts are hung up on the word “hate”, they use it relentlessly)
Try stretching a little, della, like
Hillary Hesitants,
or
Obama Objectionists…
(I know, you’ll say:
January 19th, 2008 at 6:03 pm“Why bother, just get in line with the rest of the sheep; and fear and loath whatever is on the other side of your enclosure.”)
Happy to be living in California, so that if/when Hillary becomes the nominee I can just not have a presidential preference and move on down the ballot. Liked Bill; don’t like her. And since it won’t make a difference in this state, if she’s the nominee I won’t vote for her. That way my conscience is clear.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:04 pm.
Nevada supports war mongers, charlatans and cult-Christians.
Hillary claims she didn’t Authorize the Use of Military Force in Iraq, yet continues to reauthorize that force.
Mittens claims to be a Christian that puts people to death.
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January 19th, 2008 at 6:04 pmSo, Wayne and Witch1, If Billary or Obama is the Dem candidate, how will you vote in November?
Comment by Merlin — January 19, 2008 @ 5:59 pm
See my post before yours.
I will take some pepto, then will vote for a catus before voting Republican.
I have voted in every election since comming of age to be allowed to vote.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:05 pmHay Shayne, me think’s there’s a muckie little troll playing around again..I’m shunning troll’s and stupid….Good to see you here…..Leaving for awhile, see you later and in other place’s…Blessings
January 19th, 2008 at 6:06 pmI would vote for a cactus over any of the Republican candidates
Comment by Wayne
Imagine Romney and Huckabee as running mates.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:06 pmThat would be a prickly pair…
Comment by Wayne — January 19, 2008 @ 6:05 pm
See my post before yours.
Yeah, we posted at the same time. Sorry about the confusion.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:08 pmComment by Nevar — January 19, 2008 @ 6:06 pm
prickly pair…
Do you always add 2 extra letters to your words?
January 19th, 2008 at 6:10 pm.
I think all the “Hillary Haters†and all the “Obama Haters†should vote for Nader again. That worked out well in 2000 and 2004, don’t you think?
Comment by delafield — January 19, 2008 @ 5:52 pm
Which part of a Democracy is it that you don’t like? The idea of alternate candidates? Or the concept of choice?
#57 Yes, I do have a point. I’ll vote for the candidate that is nominated by the Democratic Party, whoever that candidate is. Will you do the same? (I hope your answer is “yesâ€.)
Comment by delafield — January 19, 2008 @ 5:59 pm
Why should I support a corporatist warmonger? How is that “change” from what we have now? Besides nameplates on desks and doors?
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January 19th, 2008 at 6:11 pm“Sarcastic remarks aside, if you won’t support the Democratic nominee, just say so.”
Comment by delafield
What you advocate is to do exactly what we attack republicans for - putting party over country.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:12 pmSarcastic remarks aside, if you won’t support the Democratic nominee, just say so.
Comment by delafield — January 19, 2008 @ 6:07 pm
I believe we do have a troll here. It twists peoples remarks like one at least.
I believe it just earned a Cheney from you, Barfly
lmao
January 19th, 2008 at 6:13 pmComment by Nevar — January 19, 2008 @ 6:06 pm
prickly pair…
Actually, now that I look at it, you reversed the order of the words as well… and left out the word of
January 19th, 2008 at 6:13 pm.
#67 Sarcastic remarks aside, if you won’t support the Democratic nominee, just say so.
Comment by delafield — January 19, 2008 @ 6:07 pm
Party loyalty… LOLOLOLOL
You sound like a Republican.
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January 19th, 2008 at 6:14 pmWhen neither front-runner advocates a withdrawl from Iraq, a vote for a democrat amounts to a vote for a republican, on the most important issue of our time. Hillary hasn’t yet earned my vote.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:14 pmHillary hasn’t yet earned my vote.
Comment by barfly — January 19, 2008 @ 6:14 pm
Exactly my point as well.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:17 pmDelegates tally- Democrats…without S.Carolina
Hillary Clinton…………..211
Obama 122
Edwards 52
Kucinich 1
magic number to win 2025 delegates
———————————————
Gop Delegates:
Romney 70
Huckabee 24
McCain 18
Thompson 8
Paul 5
Hunter 1
magic number to win 1191
After Super Tuesday 5 February….few will remain.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:17 pmBut Edwards still have a chance with a big win..somewhere…
If Giuliani does not do well in Florida…then he will have a rough road coming Feb. 5th.
prickly pair…
Comment by Merlin
Agave that some thought, not nearly as much as thee…..;)
January 19th, 2008 at 6:17 pmLeaving for awhile, see you later and in other place’s…Blessings
Comment by Witch1 — January 19, 2008 @ 6:06 pm
Take care, Sharon =)
January 19th, 2008 at 6:18 pmMy question: Is delafield a corporatist?
Does he support Hillary for some altruistic reason, or is it the simple pragmatism of the bully?
January 19th, 2008 at 6:19 pmHate to be a spoiler here but I think we need to demand that the votes for the Dems be recounted - again! As long as the Diebold 91W Opti Scan Machines are being used to record the paper ballots, they can be compromised and hacked within 10 minutes! The Repukes have a “vested interest” in Hillary winning the nomination and it’s not because they’re so in love with her. The fact is that it’s not surprising that the reichwingnuts have been mum on Hillary’s escapades (Whitewater and Vince Foster); rather, it’s a concerted effort to keep these charades from the voting public until AFTER Hillary becomes the nominee. It’s part of the reichwing strategy.
Once Hillary would win the nomination, all of her skeletons (and then some) will come flying out of the closet and, voila!, the Repuke wins.
These Repukes are becoming so amazingly predictable and so transparent that I’m surprised they have vanished into thin air yet.
Check the machines, folks. They’re playing “dirty tricks” with the machines and Hillary’s going right along with it.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:20 pmprickly pair…
Comment by Merlin
Agave that some thought, not nearly as much as thee…..;)
Comment by Nevar — January 19, 2008 @ 6:17 pm
Didn’t needle you too much, did it?
January 19th, 2008 at 6:20 pm.
#75 Hillary hasn’t yet earned my vote.
Comment by barfly — January 19, 2008 @ 6:14 pm
You sound as if you’re waiting for her to convince you.
Past performance is an indicator of future performance.
Just how has (s)Hillary worked to end this occupation?
Just how has (s)Hillary worked to protect the Bill of Rights?
Got Habeas Corpus?
Since when is “warrantless” legal?
Torture, legal?
Fraud, legal?
(s)Hillary’s silence in the past and NOW, is the indicator of what she believes in and fights for. The problem is, she doesn’t support and defend our Constitution, she supports and defends corporate rights to lay claim to other countries natural resources.
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January 19th, 2008 at 6:22 pmBarfly: I’m with you. Hillary IS a warmonger and is such an egomaniac that she barely is able to eke out an apology for her war vote - something which will absolutely work against her in an election. She prefers to blame the Shrub for misleading rather than her own error in judgment. Furthermore, she, above all with 8 years of living in the white house, had background knowledge and information many in congress did not have. Shame on Hillary! She’s nothing more than an “ESTABLISHMENT TOOL”.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:22 pmsomehow i’ve missed those “obama praises reagan” quotes…
the one i DID see, did not sound much like real praise, as much as
stating an obvious fact…
any links - WITH CONTEXT - would be appreciated…
thanks.
… this hillary win rather surprises me… even more than it
January 19th, 2008 at 6:22 pmdisappoints me… i don’t know why tho… expected edwards to do much better… again, don’t know why, given he’s been shut out…
it ain’t over though…
Comment by Wayne — January 19, 2008 @ 6:20 pm
Didn’t needle you too much, did it?
LOL! excellent!
January 19th, 2008 at 6:23 pmMax-1: Hillary’s “complicit” in many areas dating back to her hubby’s administration. The DU (Depleted Uranium) scandal dates back that far to Kosovo under Clinton. When these tainted vets who are passing this level of contamination on to their spouses via their seminal fluid and produces deformed children gets aired, Hillary will be swiftboated to the moon.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:23 pmAny Hillary “win” surprises the $hit out of me and it’s precisely there that we need to check the voting machines and call for a recount. It’s in the best interest of the GOP to have Hillary win, let’s face it. If she does, it will mean another Rethug in the White House because Hillary is totally unelectable.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:25 pmThat’s why Republicans and Neoconservatives continue to rule America. They stick together like glue. Well, if this is the prevailing attitude then it looks like Neoconservatives will win again.
Sigh……
Comment by delafield — January 19, 2008 @ 6:20 pm
What part of, this is the primary season, actually sinks into that thick skull of yours. We are deciding which Democratic candidate best represents us right now. And some of us don’t like being forcefed someone else’s choices.
**Sigh**
January 19th, 2008 at 6:25 pmWell, if this is the prevailing attitude then it looks like Neoconservatives will win again.
Sigh……
Comment by delafield —
How so? The republicans are in tatters, as is conservatism in general. That, at least, makes it a level field. Let the process continue, without trying to malign those of us who think Hillary is a bad fit, at this juncture. If she is able to secure the nomination, and her rhetoric changes, perhaps I might consider voting for her. Maybe. But if her Iraq stance remains the same, she might lose me, sorry.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:26 pm.
Veritas,
Exactly.
And ABC/Disney/G.E./Ratheon can’t let that cat out of the bag.
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January 19th, 2008 at 6:26 pmwait a minute… i’m more disappointed than surprised…
January 19th, 2008 at 6:29 pmthat’s what i meant to say… i think…
either way, i surely wanted EDWARDS to do much better…
.
What a debate would have looked like…
http://www.democracynow.org/ 2008/ 1/ 16/ breaking_the_sound_barrier_democracy_now
.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:30 pm“i surely wanted EDWARDS to do much better…”
Comment by katy —
If there is a general consensus (excepting delafield) on this board, I think this is it.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:32 pmHow so? The republicans are in tatters, as is conservatism in general. That, at least, makes it a level field. Let the process continue, without trying to malign those of us who think Hillary is a bad fit, at this juncture. If she is able to secure the nomination, and her rhetoric changes, perhaps I might consider voting for her. Maybe. But if her Iraq stance remains the same, she might lose me, sorry.
Comment by barfly — January 19, 2008 @ 6:26 pm
The Republicans are in chaos, without any clear “front runner”. Romney appears to have won in Nevada, while bombing in South Carolina. Meanwhile, Huckleberry and McCrazee are battling it out over there and Rudy is praying for a Florida miracle.
I really really don’t want the nomination to go to Clinton, not the least because I think she’s the worst possible candidate for the Democrats, but I’ll hold my nose and close my eyes and vote for her, if only because this country cannot stand another four years of Republican mismanagement.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:33 pmComment by delafield — January 19, 2008 @ 6:20 pm
That’s why Republicans and Neoconservatives continue to rule America. They stick together like glue. Well, if this is the prevailing attitude then it looks like Neoconservatives will win again.
Sigh……
delafield, Wayne is correct here. This is the primary not November. I am a Feingold, Gore, Edwards, Obama, and bring up the far away rear, Clinton (in that order) person. However like Wayne and, I will wager, all Progressives we will gag down a Clinton vote if she is the nominee.
I don’t like corporate America jamming candidates down my throat by sneaky ways either. And Billary, and probably Obama (I suspect), are in the corporation’s pocket. But that is what is happening. Sigh… I will vote for Edwards on the 5th here in California, if he is still in the race.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:34 pm.
#95 Comment by barfly — January 19, 2008 @ 6:32 pm
Sorry, I’m not in consensus.
I would much rather vote for a man who has the wisdom and vision to know the consequences of his decisions rather than man who regrets the consequences of his decisions.
Unfortunately so, that man I speak of is not allowed to be heard from in this Demockracy of America.
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January 19th, 2008 at 6:37 pm/personal rant
January 19th, 2008 at 6:38 pmI am starting to get really irritated at the rabid Hillary trolls using neocon smear tactics to try to silence opposing voices during the primaries.
Nothing will lose my so far uncast vote quicker than those kind of tactics.
/rant off
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396 I really really don’t want the nomination to go to Clinton, not the least because I think she’s the worst possible candidate for the Democrats, but I’ll hold my nose and close my eyes and vote for her, if only because this country cannot stand another four years of Republican mismanagement.
Comment by gummitch — January 19, 2008 @ 6:33 pm
Voting for the lesser of two evils…
Is stil voting for evil.
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January 19th, 2008 at 6:39 pmComment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 6:38 pm
So identity group-obsessed liberals are slightly more racist than sexist. Figures…
So, what are you besides a troll? Intelligence challenged?
January 19th, 2008 at 6:40 pmComment by Wayne — January 19, 2008 @ 6:20 pm
Didn’t needle you too much, did it?
I’ll stiffen my spine….
January 19th, 2008 at 6:40 pmSo identity group-obsessed liberals are slightly more racist than sexist. Figures…
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 6:38 pm
Go back to your bottle, idiot.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:41 pm“…identity group-obsessed liberals…”
LOL
The republican party is far more splintered at present than the democrats will ever be.
You’ve got two extremist christianists, a silly willy nilly militarist, and a bad actor.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:45 pmLOL
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AMERICAN DREAMERS
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January 19th, 2008 at 6:45 pmCalling me juvenile names won’t erase the Democratic party’s long history of racism, Wayne.
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 6:43 pm
Actually, it was erased by Reagan in Mississippi, and properly applied to the republicans, who wear it proudly to this day, along with homophopia, misogyny, torture, and treason. The democrats gave up racism, and gave their racists to the gOP, who have been very happy with them ever since.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:47 pm.
#107 Comment by Nevar — January 19, 2008 @ 6:45 pm
Don’t forget the drag-queen who married his cousin.
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January 19th, 2008 at 6:47 pmCalling me juvenile names won’t erase the Democratic party’s long history of racism, Wayne.
Comment by USA_Patriot
Nor the fact that they all migrated to the republican party in the sixties…
Wear that hood with pride, U-sap.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:47 pmComment by Max-1 — January 19, 2008 @ 6:39 pm
Voting for the lesser of two evils…
Is stil voting for evil.
Yes it is. And your intelligent point is.
Max-1, that is politics, unfortunately, and survival is the point. When death is certain, the old saying kicks in. “He who fights then runs away, lives to fight another day.”
You have no choice about there BEING a president in 2009. The only question is which one. Of course you could always move to Australia or something… But that would be running away, wouldn’t it?
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January 19th, 2008 at 6:47 pmVoting for the lesser of two evils…
Is stil voting for evil.
Comment by Max-1 — January 19, 2008 @ 6:39 pm
Voting Republican. You cannot get more evil than that.
I wish Hillary wasn’t one pretending to be a Democrat.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:48 pmShe co-sponsored the failed Republican flag burning Amendment and wasted time trying to get it passed, rather than trying to reign in an Executive Branch out of control.
Nevar clearly has reading comprehension problems.
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 6:47 pm
and you obviously have no idea what has happened in the past 60 years.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:48 pmNot at all. They’re as race-obsessed as ever.
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 6:48 pm
You mean republicans, of course. they’re the ones with only old, fat, boring, white male perverts running.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:49 pmNot at all. They’re as race-obsessed as ever.
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 6:48 pm
That’s why they’re running Obama, and he’s ahead of the white guy. hmmm, not too smart. Are you Republican, or just brain-dead? or is that redundant?
January 19th, 2008 at 6:51 pmOf course you could always move to Australia or something… But that would be running away, wouldn’t it?
Comment by Merlin — January 19, 2008 @ 6:47 pm
The company I work for has a presence in many European countries. I have been toying with the idea of a transfer since the 2004 (s)election
January 19th, 2008 at 6:51 pmThank you for demonstrating my point.
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 6:51 pm
And thank you for predictably missing mine. Bozo.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:52 pmThank you for demonstrating my point.
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 6:51 pm
of course the point is that none of these morons knows ho to govern. Now who’s race-obsessed? The GOP, that’s who.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:53 pmThe race-obsessed Dems run a viable black candidate. The open-tent repigs run several cookie-cutter white establishment males. The hood is yours, USA patsy.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:54 pmComment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 6:43 pm
Calling me juvenile names won’t erase the Democratic party’s long history of racism, Merlin.
1. What juvenile name did I call you? I called you a troll. That is true, you are a troll. And it is decidly not juvenile.
2. I asked you if you were intelligence challenged. That is a polite way of saying that if you really believe what you said you might not have functioning frontal lobes.
3. Your response in #106 tells me your lobes are not firing on all cylinders.
4. You need not waste my time on a answer. I will not be responding to your nonsense.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:56 pmCalling me juvenile names won’t erase the Democratic party’s long history of racism, Wayne.
Comment by USA_Patriot
You talking about the Dixicrats Nixon opened the Republican Party to?
I have a beef with the Republicans dating back to Wounded Knee, for putting bullets into the backs of women and children, because their skin was red.
January 19th, 2008 at 6:57 pmWant to debate racism with me? Lets have at it.
“…identity groups like race and gender….”
Comment by USA_Patriot
I’ll try to illumine your horizons a bit:
January 19th, 2008 at 6:57 pmEvangelicals, dictators of other people’s civil liberties, corporate militarist dependents, and closeted drag queen wanna be’s;
are identity groups.
Comprende?
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#113 Comment by Merlin — January 19, 2008 @ 6:47 pm
Why should I move away, or to use your standard, run away?
Is that how our Founders won, by running away?
Or do they matter to you? I seriously have to question your principles. That we are even given a choice between two evils, is supposed to be acceptable? How is that an American Principle?
See, what you’ve overtly endorsed is the essence of the problem America faces. Evil for goodness sake. Forgetting in your rant, that evil can never, EVER be for good.
So now, remind me,
why should I just “get use to it”?
That this is “politics as usual”?
No! You’re wrong.
This is politics degraded by years of corruption and illicit and illegal maneuvers designed to numb the populace and electorate. As evidenced by your apathy about the whole situation.
You’ll much rather settle for a bit of evil as a choice than forge a real solution as that requires principles to adhere to.
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January 19th, 2008 at 6:57 pmBeing race-obsessed and running Obama are not contradictory, so what is your point? It isn’t just the white Democrats who are hung up on skin color and ethnicity.
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 6:55 pm
Funny, race was not part of the topic of this thread until you brought it up…..
January 19th, 2008 at 7:01 pmRacist.
In context, we’re talking about 25 measly delegates. Super Tuesday will tell. This ain’t momentum or anything but 25 measly delegates.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:02 pmComment by delafield — January 19, 2008 @ 6:49 pm
Remember what happened when the Clintons took on the corporations when they entered the White House in 1993?
What I remember is that Bill is the poster boy for the DLC. They purposely pushed the Democratic party way to the right of center in foreign policy. The DLCs other poster boy is LIEberman by the way. Globalization and NAFTA is not a people oriented ideology. It is a corporatist ideology
January 19th, 2008 at 7:03 pmInteresting points being made. Why aren’t the Repukelickins championing Alan Keyes?
January 19th, 2008 at 7:04 pm.
#135 Comment by delafield — January 19, 2008 @ 7:02 pm
And of course we all know how much “hatered” is a Christian Principle… NO?
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January 19th, 2008 at 7:04 pmHiilary supporters should be so PROUD! They have officially adopted the http://www.dailykos.com/ story/ 2008/ 1/ 19/ 162953/ 644/ 790/ 439573GOP playbook:
January 19th, 2008 at 7:04 pm.
Q U E S T I O N:
Since Obama supports Lieberman for Connecticut…
And McCain supports Lieberman as his possible running mate…
Does Obama endorse a McCain/Lieberman ticket?
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January 19th, 2008 at 7:07 pmLet’s try a hypothetical for all the lockstep dems in the audience. If enough nominal democrats decide that Hillary isn’t ready, and defect (as has happened before) to the other side, what will the next eight years look like?
Remember, all the balanced plates are going to be kept spinning until november, when Bush just quits trying to do anything but quietly skulk out of town. Then, they start falling, and the new (hypothetically republican)administration has to find some way of explaining the true size of the problems that they (and we) face. Tax increases will be inevitable (and probably envisioned by Bush strategists, to make democrats responsible for inflicting the fiscal pain), as will be serious cuts in many programs. They will have to bite the bullet, and ask for bi-partisan help, or the financial markets will go sour, and they’ll be blamed. There are many possible advantages to a republican win, that damage them further for voters.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:07 pmYou mean like Al Gore Sr., Fritz Hollings, and Robert Byrd?
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 7:01 pm
The Republicans used to be the liberals and non-racist at one time, long ago. That changed completely in 1968 when the civil rights bill was passed and signed by a Democratic President and the Dixicrats fled to the Republican Party.
Read history much?
January 19th, 2008 at 7:07 pmSorry, I meant Hillary supporters should be so PROUD! They have officially adopted the GOP playbook: http://www.dailykos.com/ story/ 2008/ 1/ 19/ 162953/ 644/ 790/ 439573
January 19th, 2008 at 7:07 pmPat~Riot! Peace, brother! Folks on this site don’t like shit like disenfranchising thousands of black voters in Florida, Cleveland and the like. They somehow equate those republican dirty tricks with racism. Wow?
January 19th, 2008 at 7:08 pmIf you have to measure and go by the promises that were made by Democrats in Nov.2006 Congressional elections,and what really changed since they won the Congress and appointed princess Pelosi in 2007…then you can kiss all what queen Hillary now pomising you ‘good bye’, if she made it to be the new president.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:10 pmBush has already decided that he doesn’t care who wins, after he’s gone. I’d imagine there are several ticking time-bombs set to go off after he leaves office. It would be some consolation to watch as they blow-up on republicans instead.
And, no, I’m not advocating anyone vote republican. I’d sooner argue the merits of personal castration…
January 19th, 2008 at 7:11 pmNever underestimate the hatred of Republicans. Hatred is the thread that binds the GOP. If the Republicans run against a black man or a woman, you’re going to see hatred like you’ve never seen before.
Comment by delafield
I’m well aware of the potential for such unifying hatred.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:11 pmI’m also aware of the disgust and contempt the average American is beginning to show for such hatred and narrow minded fear mongering.
Come November, the bickering factions of bigoted Republicans will clutch each other in shock and awe as the wave of democratic reform sweeps them out to sea.
Comment by Max-1 — January 19, 2008 @ 6:57 pm
Talk about a rant! You appear angry. Are you?
Pssst…and you missed my point. Go back and try and figure it out. Eh/
January 19th, 2008 at 7:11 pmClinton won (though she lost the delegate count). But at what cost? What does Clinton’s outrageous robocall in Nevada say about her? It is not just an isolated incident.
Would love to hear your POV and hear your vote in who will bring more change to America - Clinton or Obama, at this link: http://www.dailykos.com/ storyonly/ 2008/ 1/ 19/ 181938/ 426/ 674/ 439681
January 19th, 2008 at 7:14 pmCalling me juvenile names won’t erase the Democratic party’s long history of racism, Merlin.
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 6:43 pm
Calling me juvenile names won’t erase the Democratic party’s long history of racism, Wayne.
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 6:43 pm
What, you mean the DIXIECRATS? Surely you know, the RACISTS that the Democratic party KICKED OUT because of their views, their wedge politics, etc? That history of racism in the Democratic Party? You know, all those folks who immediately crossed the isle to join the modern Republican Party?
Yeah. History has a hell of a way of kicking deceivers in the teeth. Especially those subversives who try to rewrite or ignore key portions of history.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:15 pm“Would love to hear your POV and hear your vote in who will bring more change to America - Clinton or Obama,”
Comment by Duck Soup
No thanks.
Too canned.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:16 pmThe liberal wing actually split off the Republican Party in 1912 and formed the original Progressive Party movement.
Part of their platform was social welfare legislation for women and children, workers’ compensation, end of child labor, limited injunctions in strikes, farm relief, revision of banking to assure an elastic currency, required health insurance in industry, new inheritance taxes and income taxes, improvement of inland waterways, and limitation of naval armaments.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:17 pmMax 1,
I’m with you………. People need to stop pretending this is going to get better by the media choice of your presidential candidate. They chose the candidate not you. Stop kidding yourself. This is WAY more serious than the majority of this country has the cognitive ability to understand.
It’s time for the people to rise up and take back this country. Not violently but in numbers. If this country is not willing to stand up and out for what they believe in risking it all then this country has no future.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:22 pmHave you seen the movie, “Sicko� The movie shows a long list of corporations and how much money they spent to attack the Clintons as soon as they stepped into the White House.
Comment by delafield
And how many of these same corporations contributed to his re-election campaign?
January 19th, 2008 at 7:22 pmWayne, what civil rights bill was passed in 1968?
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 7:14 pm
my typo, the Civil rights bill passedin 64, Nixon opened the Republican Party to the Dixicrats in 68
January 19th, 2008 at 7:22 pmWayne, you haven’t noticed the fact that issues of race and gender have been prominent in the Democratic primaries? Your ignorance is not my fault.
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 7:03 pm
Could it be the fact that a woman and a black man are running or do you think it’s something else?
January 19th, 2008 at 7:22 pmAnd how many of these same corporations contributed to his re-election campaign?
Comment by barfly — January 19, 2008 @ 7:22 pm
How many are donating to her current campaign?
January 19th, 2008 at 7:23 pm.
#150 Comment by Merlin — January 19, 2008 @ 7:11 pm
No, I got your point.
However, you did miss mine.
If I’m given but just two choices, who said I have to choose either choice offered me?
This is a free country, NO?
I can choose a third of my own…
Or am I allowed that choice?
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January 19th, 2008 at 7:24 pmWould love to hear your POV and hear your vote in who will bring more change to America - Clinton or Obama, at this link: http://www.dailykos.com/ storyonly/ 2008/ 1/ 19/ 181938/ 426/ 674/ 439681
Comment by Duck Soup — January 19, 2008 @ 7:14 pm
A vote on that is meaningless. As barfly says, canned.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:24 pm“How many are donating to her current campaign?”
Comment by Wayne
A link would be helpful.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:25 pmWould love to hear your POV and hear your vote in who will bring more change to America - Clinton or Obama
Comment by Duck Soup — January 19, 2008 @ 7:14 pm
Is Hillary and Obama choice A or B?
January 19th, 2008 at 7:29 pmNever mind, I chose choice C or D for the primaries.
Nat, thanks for demonstrating my point. Constantly pointing out the race and gender of candidates demonstrates my point.
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 7:27 pm
Especially if your party only allows one race and gender to run.
What point was that?
January 19th, 2008 at 7:29 pm.
#166 Comment by delafield — January 19, 2008 @ 7:26 pm
So,
Corpratism is American?
Or is Corpratism, Fascism?
I guess you support a Fascist America because you tolerate and allow corporations to decide for you.
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January 19th, 2008 at 7:29 pmComment by Max-1 — January 19, 2008 @ 7:24 pm
No, I got your point.
However, you did miss mine.
If I’m given but just two choices, who said I have to choose either choice offered me?
This is a free country, NO?
I can choose a third of my own…
Or am I allowed that choice?
You are angry! Wow! Look, you can vote for anyone you want. A protest vote, call it. Like Ross Perott or Ralph Nader. But is that the best way to vote? I say no. You apparently say yes. So be it. We think each other wrong.
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January 19th, 2008 at 7:29 pm.
#167 Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 7:27 pm
And Macaca meant nothing?
LOLOLOLOL
Too rich.
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January 19th, 2008 at 7:30 pmAccording to USA patsy, allowing only white men to run for president isn’t racist, but letting women and minorities run is.
Stupid, or evil? Evil, or stupid?
January 19th, 2008 at 7:31 pmNat, thanks for demonstrating my point. Constantly pointing out the race and gender of candidates demonstrates my point.
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 7:27 pm
When you really have a point to make get back to us.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:32 pmAfter you read some history and quit being so damned ignorant, of course.
Nat, thanks for demonstrating my point. Constantly pointing out the race and gender of candidates demonstrates my point.
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 7:27 pm
Demonstrates what point? Unless Clinton and Obama magically turn into pasty white males, gender and race will be a part of this campaign.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:33 pm.
#171 Comment by Merlin — January 19, 2008 @ 7:29 pm
Q U E S T I O N:
What does it make you when you chide others for exorcising their freedom of choice?
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January 19th, 2008 at 7:34 pm.
#177 Comment by delafield — January 19, 2008 @ 7:34 pm
As Gandhi once said, “Be the change you seek from this world.”
What is it you seek, if not peace and love?
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January 19th, 2008 at 7:35 pmAl Sharpton even ran for president in 2004.
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 7:32 pm
proving, of course that Democrats are racist, for allowing a black man to run for president. and Republicans, who will not allow a black man on the ticket, are not racist.
it’s not 1920 any more, patsy. i know that’s frustrating for you racists, but too bad.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:36 pmIt is true that many former segregationists, such as Strom Thurmond, left the Democratic party and later renounced racism, while many, such as Byrd, stayed in the Democratic party, the party of Jim Crow. The Democrats have of course also cultivated a whole new breed of racists; Al Sharpton even ran for president in 2004.
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 7:32 pm
I don’t think Sharpton is a racist.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:36 pmhate to say it but isn’t that the way politics works all over the world? What make the world go ’round? Love or money?
Comment by delafield
Oh, come on, now. You were just using those “corporations” as a benefactor for all the various (supposedly nefarious) behind-the-scenes, out-to-get-the-Clintons factions. Now, you just dismiss them with a perfunctory wave? Why not list these evildoers, and we can judge for ourselves? Don’t get me wrong, I know all about the Arkansas project, and the oppo researchers - but some of this is simply attributable to baksheesh (or anti-baksheesh, if you will). They were playing the odds that the Clintons would be bad for their business interests, not because they were “enemies.”
January 19th, 2008 at 7:36 pmA link would be helpful.
Comment by barfly — January 19, 2008 @ 7:25 pm
Has she released her donor list yet?
I would like to see it as well.
I was asking as a question =)
January 19th, 2008 at 7:36 pmNo one of any race is being prohibited from running by the party. Stop lying.
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 7:34 pm
Where’s your black and female candidates, then, patsy? Are you telling us that no black or female Republicans are interested in being President?
January 19th, 2008 at 7:37 pmThe Democrats have of course also cultivated a whole new breed of racists; Al Sharpton even ran for president in 2004.
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 7:32 pm
Your shrink needs to adjust your meds. Make an appointment soon.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:38 pmI don’t think Sharpton is a racist.
Comment by Nat — January 19, 2008 @ 7:36 pm
I think patsy probably meant ni–er.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:39 pmComment by Max-1 — January 19, 2008 @ 7:34
pm
Q U E S T I O N:
Max, Max, Max. Your bolded word still shows anger. I am not angry, nor am I trying to upset you. We are essentially on the same side. We just happen to disagree on this point. Let it go.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:40 pmI think patsy probably meant ni–er.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 7:39 pm
Yeah. It probably is projection.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:41 pmComment by Wayne — January 19, 2008 @ 7:38 pm
LOOLOL! Well said
January 19th, 2008 at 7:43 pmHas she released her donor list yet?
I would like to see it as well.
Her top donors:
1
Goldman Sachs
$543,620
2
Citigroup Inc
$532,960
3
Morgan Stanley
$445,610
4
DLA Piper
$404,320
5
JP Morgan Chase & Co
$286,575
6
Skadden, Arps et al
$259,790
7
Kirkland & Ellis
$247,350
8
Time Warner
$240,130
9
National Amusements Inc
$238,500
10
Corning Inc
$230,250
11
Cablevision Systems
$223,813
12
Credit Suisse Group
$215,400
13
EMILY’s List
$212,602
14
Ernst & Young
$205,650
15
Greenberg Traurig LLP
$199,550
16
Lehman Brothers
$189,190
17
Merrill Lynch
$179,810
18
Bear Stearns
$168,335
19
Blank Rome LLP
$166,400
20
January 19th, 2008 at 7:45 pmMetropolitan Life
Wayne, when the Civil Rights Act passed in 1964, a higher percentage of Republicans voted for it than Democrats.
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 7:32 pm
152 house Democrats voted for it, 138 repugs
46 Senate Democats and 27 Senate Republicans voted for it.
Liar
January 19th, 2008 at 7:47 pmWhere’s your black and female candidates, then, patsy? Are you telling us that no black or female Republicans are interested in being President?
Comment by Lefty Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 7:37 pm
To be fair, Alan Keyes ran in 2000 and I think he’s running this time around.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:47 pm…you haven’t noticed the fact that issues of race and gender have been prominent in the Democratic primaries?
Comment by trooll @ 7:03 pm
Could it be the fact that a woman and a black man are running … ?
Comment by Nat @ 7:22 pm
needs repeated… the obvious always does…
January 19th, 2008 at 7:50 pm“I heard that Hillary is going to contibute that money to charity after the 2008 election.”
Comment by delafield
She should contribute it to the national democratic party, as much as they’re helping to get her elected.
January 19th, 2008 at 7:52 pmI said “percentage†Wayne. Look it up.
Comment by USA_Patriot — January 19, 2008 @ 7:50 pm
Ahh, misleading liar then
January 19th, 2008 at 7:52 pm