“which political alignment is trying to bring about universal healthcare?”

A government run program therefore more control by the government.

As opposed to the more expensive model approved by the rightwing: Funding a welfare state for health insurance brokers.

“Which political alignment is pro social welfare?”

Agains more government control that decides who benefits and who doesn’t.

And is best demonstrated by the Blue states having lower poverty levels, higher median incomes and actually costing less on a federal level, than the Red states.

“Which political alignment is pro public schooling?”

More of the same. People should have the OPTION to opt out and take the voucher if they want private or home schooling.

Yeah, and private schools and home schooling doesn’t exist in America already.

“Which alignment is pro union?”

Still a good idea to keep corporations in check but they have turned into political machines that dictate their wants to their members. Having to be a union member or you don’t work in a particular industry is utter BS.

Which is a function of the unions making a deal with private industry, and was that a jab at free political speech I detected there?

“Which alignment is in favour of government working for you?”

Good idea but the extent of the scope in which government has decided to be involved and control so many aspects of my life…..they have gone way too far.

You mean the way they tell you what you can do with your body if you are female? Or how about who you can and cannot marry if you happen to be Gay? Or how about that whole thing with government forcing a religious worldview on you, you know, with that whole pledge of allegiance you cons are so in favour of.

Yeah, them lib’ruls wanting to give you free healthcare are really the enemy here!

“Which alignment, when it comes to illegal immigration says punish the guys exploiting illegal labour?”

Both sides are for that.

No, conservatives are just for distracting people away from the issue by building a huge fence which won’t work (Because there is this arcane technology called “wire cutters”), to make it look like they take it seriously.

“….there is nothing liberal about a government which doesn’t allow freedom of the press, doesn’t allow freedom of religion and doesn’t allow workers’ rights.”

There isn’t anything liberal about not allowing freedom of choice when it come to opting out of paying into social security, school choice, a tax system that punishes achievement, a death tax that is totally unfair, ect…

Which is a load of rightwing hysterical BS, which is pretty typical of guys like Tracy who don’t understand taxes, and would much rather pay $20 to have someone rip them off, than $10 to have government provide them with a service.

Actually, there was a time when the Republicans did massive amounts of good for America – back when the Republicans were the liberal party.

It would be better to say that conservatism as a movement hasn’t done anything positive throughout America’s history.

Comment by Jenny — January 21, 2008 @ 7:51 pm

You’re going to have to include yourself as a denizen, jenny, if all you can come up with are lies and baseless accusations. without the democrats, minorities and women would still be voteless and 2nd-class citizens. republicans as a party have done nothing positive throughout America’s history to help anyone but themselves.

Your perception of the left, passionate as it is, seems to me to be based mostly on bullsh!t.

You accuse the left of ignoring the poor – which political alignment is trying to bring about universal healthcare? Which political alignment is pro social welfare? Which political alignment is pro public schooling?

Which alignment is pro union? Which alignment is pro consumers rights? Which alignment is in favour of government working for you?

Which alignment, when it comes to illegal immigration says punish the guys exploiting illegal labour?

The leftwing. On all of those issues, if you aspouse an ideology in its favour you are taking the leftwing stance.

You talk about communist governments as if they are really leftwing – there is nothing liberal about a government which doesn’t allow freedom of the press, doesn’t allow freedom of religion and doesn’t allow workers’ rights.

You are trying to build a false equivelancy because you want to prevent anything being done about the issues you highlight. By saying “The left is just as bad” you are striving to undermine anybody’s ability to deal with those issues because, when the left proposes a solution that solution gets drowned out under shrieks of “What about XYZ situation.”

You are a moral coward, trying to build this image of the people of this site founded on nothing more than your own wish to make everyone guilty, so that nobody has to pay.

I know that King was a brave man, a hero to us all. I remember seeing Dr. King on television when I was a small child. I remember the day he was assasinated, and how it impacted the people in my community.

Again, the denizens of this board display their bigotry and prejudice, their disdain for freedoms, whether of speech or free thought.

Jenny is a RACIST! White much?

How often do you stupid Jenny? Every night, each a.m. or just when your brain explodes?

JustAnA$$ is a worthless TROLL! IGNORE THIS BASTARD!

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LIAR!

“Communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social, and the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism but in a higher synthesis. It is found in a higher synthesis that combines the truths of both. Now, when I say question the whole society, it means ultimately coming to see that the problem of racism, the problem of exploitation, and the problem of war are all tied together. These are the triple evils that are interrelated.”

It is not a matter of right versus left, of Republican versus Democrat. It is a matter of top versus bottom, of haves versus have nots, of corporations versus people.

You are the ones who rationalize ignoring the dire poverty in the US, that imposes massive suffering on poor and struggling American citizens, who are black, brown and white, while you make excuses for outsourcing and the excessive use of visas and the turning the blind eye to the massive waves of illegal aliens who willingly collude with corporate interests in displacing American citizen workers. Causing homelessness, and hunger and privation.

Dr. King spoke about judging people on the content of their character, not on the color of their skin. It’s apparent here that you would use the color of someone’s skin to imply that you are not racist, but your hatred and indifference shows that you are no different than those that rationalized slavery. There is also anti-semitism and other intolerance, even the censorship of those who speak truth to your presumption of power.. but that is to be expected by those on the far left.. . after all your heros, the communists, the socialists, the fascists and the nazis censored and practiced all sorts of brutality.

Dr. King also spoke about communism and socialism being the same as slavery, because without individual liberties, rights and freedoms, one is a slave. I’m sure you’ll delete this post as well, because to you and your ilk, Dr. King is someone you feel entitled to use, to twist his words for your own advantage, just as you would exploit and enslave Americans who are black, just as you would do the same to Americans who are brown or white.