Bolton: ‘Pressure’ Is On Israel To Strike Iran Because NIE Made U.S. Attack ‘Highly Unlikely’
Bolton: ‘Pressure’ Is On Israel To Strike Iran Because NIE Made U.S. Attack ‘Highly Unlikely’
In December, after the new NIE on Iran was released, former US Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton established himself as one of the top hawks trying to undermine its credibility, going so far as to call for a congressional witch-hunt into anti-Bush “people in the intelligence community.”
During his trip to Israel this week for the the Herzliya Conference, Bolton has ratcheted up his criticisms of the report, saying on Sunday that the “illegitimate politicization” of the NIE was “a quasi-coup by the intelligence services.”
On Monday, Bolton said that the NIE put “pressure” on Israel to strike Iran because “the likelihood of American use of force has been dramatically reduced”:
“One can say with some assurance that in the next year the use of force by the United States is highly unlikely,” Bolton told AFP on the sidelines of the Herzliya conference on the balance of Israel’s national security.
“That increases the pressure on Israel in that period of time… if it feels Iran is on the verge of acquiring that capability, it brings the decision point home to use force,” he said.
Reacting to Bolton, a “senior Israeli security official” told Agence France-Presse that “one should listen very closely to what Bolton has to say.”
Asked about Bolton’s comments today, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice refused to refute him, only saying that Bolton is “a private citizen”:
QUESTION: (Inaudible) on Israel and he basically told us (inaudible) because they said the Bush administration (inaudible).
RICE: John Bolton is a private citizen. He can say what he wants.
Bolton’s comments join a chorus of conservative hawks who continue to argue, in the words of National Review’s Mark Steyn, that a “the bombing option is becoming the only one that will be left” in regards to Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
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On Monday, Bolton said that the NIE put “pressure†on Israel to strike Iran because “the likelihood of American use of force has been dramatically reducedâ€:
Premise:
Iran must be nuked.
Problem:
NIE has made it unlikely current administration can get away with it.
Solution:
Have the Israelis do it.
False premises, false solutions.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:36 pmBolton is a defective human being.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:37 pmPrivate citizen?
Who the f_ck paid to own that?
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:39 pmAnd once Israel makes a move, then the US would have to join in to support such a valuable ally….
its going to happen whether we want it to or not…
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:39 pmSo rather than working with-in a particular frame-work to sort out problems/differences , the ’solution’ is to blow everyone up/kill ‘em all …….
Wally Walrus there needs to shut the hell up.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:40 pmCould someone please dye this MOFO’s hair white to match his lip broom?
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:40 pmWhy are the ramblings of this idiot not annotated with the facts? His continued lack of bowel control should be noted first. Label him as a likely lunatic first, or simply link to his statements of fact. That would conflict enough with reality for the world to ignore him.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:41 pmIf we ignore him, he will implode. His ego will see to that instantly.
The only way Iran is attacked is that Russia and China make a deal with US and Israel to own some of the natural gas. Remember 15% of all natural gas is under Iran.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:45 pmwarmongering pshycopath.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:46 pmhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/12/AR2005071201546_pf.html
snip…
“No matter if it’s rogue’s oil or a friend’s oil, we don’t care,” said an energy adviser to the central government who spoke on the condition he not be identified, citing the threat of government disciplinary action. “Human rights? We don’t care. We care about oil. Whether Iran would have nuclear weapons or not is not our business. America cares, but Iran is not our neighbor. Anyone who helps China with energy is a friend.”
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:48 pmThis was the plan all along, to have Israel start the fight.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:48 pmOr OBLITERATION, which will be deserved if they attack Iran without cause.
Comment by Arn Gunnutes
Why wait?
Why wouldn’t Israel deserve punishment after violating every UN resolution, and the Geneva Convention?
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:48 pm“That increases the pressure on Israel in that period of time…”
And that pressure is coming from the Slim Pickens of diplomacy and the “man” Jon Stewart calls the “Shaggy DA,” John Bolton.
Also, still no information from TP on the war crimes in the Gaza Strip.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:49 pmI really used to like Wilford Brimley too until he came back from that science station in Antarctica. He was never quite the same. Now he just moans over and over about attacking Iran.
I think this guy says Iran more than Rudy says 9-11.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:50 pmWhy wouldn’t Israel deserve punishment after violating every UN resolution, and the Geneva Convention?
Comment by Juan C. — January 22, 2008 @ 2:48 pm
They’ve gotten away with it since 1948. Why start enforcing the resolutions now?
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:51 pmLefty, “I really used to like Wilford Brimley too until he came back from that science station in Antarctica. He was never quite the same.”
Clever reference to “John Carpenter’s The Thing.”
Impressive.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:53 pmAnd what if Iran attacks Israel without provocation? Using your logic, Arn, would that be grounds for Israel and its allies to attack “ALL the Persians, Arabs, etc….†(using your words)?
Comment by good_golly
Well, first of all, after Israel rethoric, it wouldn’t be WITHOUT PROVOCATION.
And second, Israel would have to ask the Security Council of the UN to condemn Iran’s aggression, it would have the right to defend itself and then the SC would have to send peace forces. But, hey, it would be really ironic for Israel to do the right thing when it has done exactly what you think Iran could do.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:53 pmThank you sir.
Doesn’t it seem like this guy is possessed by something that just wants to kill? Maybe it’s just me.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:54 pmWe can only hope that we get through this year without another mass-murder of women and children in the Middle east. Next January, sane Americans and the rest of the world will breath a collective sigh of relief when we swear in Obama, Clinton or Edwards as the next president and throw these psycopathic bums out for good.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:55 pm#9. And what if Iran attacks Israel without provocation? Using your logic, Arn, would that be grounds for Israel and its allies to attack “ALL the Persians, Arabs, etc….†(using your words)?
Comment by good_golly — January 22, 2008 @ 2:49 pm
If Iran attacked Israel without provocation, Israel would respond to Iran with its nuclear arsenal and its brand new ballistic missiles.
Fortunately for the people of Iran, Iran is not run by morons and they will not attack Israel. They don’t have the capability and they don’t have the motivation.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:55 pmdoesn’t seem possible for a neocon to envision a world without war. The choices in the neocon vision [cough] are limited to:
war, or
war
(bloodthirsty animals. neocons are in desperate need of conflict resolution therapy and self-awareness training. And we’re desperate for them to get it. Won’t some professionals donate their time to saving humanity from the neocons?)
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:56 pm.
Russia….get your nukes ready.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:56 pm“Clever reference to “John Carpenter’s The Thing.—
One of the scariest and creepiest SciFi movies of all time. Almost as scary as these psychopathic maniacs running the Bush foreign policy.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:57 pmBolt-on prays to the mustache fairy every night, in hopes someone will attack Iran.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:57 pmdoesn’t seem possible for a neocon to envision a world without war. The choices in the neocon vision [cough] are limited to:
war, or
war
Comment by pluege — January 22, 2008 @ 2:56 pm
The profit margins on peace are slim at best. Defense industry contractors have families to support, you know!
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:57 pmOff Topic:
Mozilla has introduced a “Bush countdown timer†as a Firefox extension.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3792
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:59 pmNext January, sane Americans and the rest of the world will breath a collective sigh of relief when we swear in Obama, Clinton or Edwards as the next president and throw these psycopathic bums out for good.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
I know you know that I doubt it.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:59 pmOne of the scariest and creepiest SciFi movies of all time. Almost as scary as these psychopathic maniacs running the Bush foreign policy.
I watched it recently for the first time in ages. Really holds up well. The scary part is the psychological tension. That makes the film.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:00 pmSure, get Israel to do our dirty work for us and then when Iran strikes back, we will have to go to the rescue of our poor ally Israel (actually the country that rules our political process).
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:01 pm“One of the scariest and creepiest SciFi movies of all time.”
“Really holds up well. The scary part is the psychological tension.”
Agreed…Underrated when first released in 1982, I think people are beginning to recognize it as a masterpiece….
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:03 pmSure, get Israel to do our dirty work for us and then when Iran strikes back, we will have to go to the rescue of our poor ally Israel (actually the country that rules our political process).
Comment by bilbobaggins
Sounds like Vietnam, but with David instead of Asterix.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:06 pmGee Bolt-on,
God forbid they (Israel) have to defend themselves?!
They have nukes, and one of the best trained military in the world.
Allow them to remain our puppet/target of US hatred in the ME.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:07 pmAnd what’s wrong with that! If Israel wants Iran attacked, why shouldn’t they do it themselves rather than expect us to do it for them! Joe Lieberman be damned along with Bolten and all those other crazy neocons!
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:12 pmI will go out on a limb here and say that the world would be a much more peaceful and safer place if Israel ceased to exist.
Comment by bilbobaggins
I disagree. Another bunch of morons would make wars unnecessarily.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:14 pmI will go out on a limb here and say that the world would be a much more peaceful and safer place if Israel ceased to exist.
Comment by bilbobaggins — January 22, 2008 @ 3:07 pm
I doubt that. If anything, Israel gives Arab leaders something they can agree on. If Israel were to cease to exist immediately, the conflict in the Levant would shift to issues of land and watershed management among all the other Arab countries. There are also some strong opposition voices in Israel that want to end the occupation.
Perhaps a more accurate hypothetical would be to say that the world would be a much more peaceful and safer place if the neocons in the U.S., Israel, and the Arab world ceased to exist.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:15 pmTHIS IS A CONSPIRACY.
There is NO legitimate reason for this individual to have a platform that enables him to speak to the world via satellite.
Those who control the medium are as guilty as the man speaking the message.
This is HATE SPEECH – plain and simple.
It is ILLEGAL to promote offensive first use of nuclear weapons.
ARREST THIS MAN AND THOSE WHO PROVIDE HIM WITH THE MEGAPHONE.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:16 pmDoesn’t it seem like this guy is possessed by something that just wants to kill? Maybe it’s just me.
Comment by lefty — January 22, 2008 @ 2:54 pm
Teah he’s possessed by the military/industrial complex that makes bigger profits when there’s a war going on.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:16 pmIt is ILLEGAL to promote offensive first use of nuclear weapons.
Comment by plunger — January 22, 2008 @ 3:16 pm
Illegal? No. Insane? Definitely.
Bolton should be locked in a padded cell for his own protection.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:18 pmAnd what’s wrong with that! If Israel wants Iran attacked, why shouldn’t they do it themselves rather than expect us to do it for them! Joe Lieberman be damned along with Bolten and all those other crazy neocons!
Comment by Tigris Lily
I would have no problem with it if the US stayed out of it. But you know very well that if Israel attacked Iran and than Iran fought back, we would have go to in and defend of ally Israel and join in the attack. That is actually the plan. Since Bush can no longer do it because of the NIE, they are trying to get Israel to do it for us. I hope they are not that stupid, but if they are, then the hell with them. I hope Congress will not allow Bush to get involved if Israel starts a fight with Iran.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:18 pmBolton should be locked in a padded cell for his own protection.
Comment by toasterhead — January 22, 2008 @ 3:18 pm
Bolton should be locked in a padded cell for OUR protection.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:19 pmDouble Standards on Foreign Owners:
Amdocs vs. DP World
by Lila Rajiva
http://www.dissidentvoice.org
March 1, 2006
In December 2001, Fox TV broadcast a four-part investigation on Israeli espionage by Carl Cameron, which the Israeli embassy in Washington, JINSA (Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs), and AIPAC (American Israeli Political Action Committee) immediately denied and attacked. (1)
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Mar06/Rajiva01.htm
JINSA rewards American Militarism:
http://www.jinsa.org/articles/articles.html/function/view/categoryid/1366/documentid/3340/history/3,2359,2166,1366,3340
http://nowarforisrael.com/
http://www.mediamonitors.net/johnhenshaw1.html
JINSA presents an annual Distinguished Service Award, named in honor of the late-Senator Henry M. “Scoop” Jackson to U.S. government leaders.
Last year the recipient was General Peter Pace. They have taken down the JINSA site – but the article is cached here:
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:x6ArOtbgi40J:www.jinsa.org/articles/view.html%3Fdocumentid%3D3340+pace+jinsa+honor&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
This years recipient is none other the AIPAC Butt Boy and USS Liberty Coverup Specialist, JOHN McCain.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:19 pmPerhaps a more accurate hypothetical would be to say that the world would be a much more peaceful and safer place if the neocons in the U.S., Israel, and the Arab world ceased to exist.
Comment by toasterhead
Ok, I’ll agree with that one. Actually the world would be a more peaceful and safer place if the Bush Crime Family ceased to exist.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:20 pm#9. And what if Iran attacks Israel without provocation? Using your logic, Arn, would that be grounds for Israel and its allies to attack “ALL the Persians, Arabs, etc….†(using your words)?
Comment by good_golly — January 22, 2008 @ 2:49 pm
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You’re logic is faulty. The OP’s logic is below:
If a CountryP attacks NationQ without provocation then NationQ’s allies would be justified in attacking that nation.
If a Iran attacks Israel without provocation then Israel’s allies would be justified in attacking Iran.
I know that trolling is hard work, but please try and keep your logic straight.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:20 pm“I observed firsthand the formation of the Pentagon’s Office of Special Plans and watched the latter stages of the neoconservative capture of the policy-intelligence nexus in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq,†writes retired U.S. Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski. “This seizure of the reins of U.S. Middle East policy was directly visible to many of us working in the Near East South Asia policy office, and yet there seemed to be little any of us could do about it.†Kwiatkowski writes elsewhere that “Israel’s hawks have long recognized that the co-optation, or barring that, the destruction of Iraq was necessary for a more permanent approach, the clean break, the assertion of Israel’s monopoly of force in the Middle East. Our country, for only two trillion dollars and a few hundred thousand dead and maimed on all sides, has facilitated the destruction of Iraq,†and, if the Pentagon neocons have their way, the destruction of Iran will follow in order, according to plan, as the United States is now Israel’s proxy, as Sniegoski reminds us.
Air Force Brig. Gen. Mark O. Schissler is not retired, so he has yet to experience one of JINSA’s (the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs) infamous and stepfordizing Israel walking tours, but he is completely onboard with the now patented “clash of civilizations†palaver, an ideological stance well-ensconced in the Pentagon.
“The American people need to prepare for a long-duration war against radical Muslims who are set to fight for 50 to 100 years to create an Islamist state in the region,†writes Bill Gertz, seasoned Iraq invasion propaganda disseminator, for the Moonie Times, otherwise known as the Washington Times. Schissler is deputy director for the “war on terrorism†within the strategic plans office of the Pentagon’s Joint Staff. “I don’t care about the politics.
“Our enemy,†naturally, just so happens to be Israel’s, as well. And although the frontline neocons—Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, and Richard Perle—are no longer at the Pentagon, their “Grand Strategy for the Middle East†(called the “Bush-Sharon Grand Strategy†in 2003 by Patrick Buchanan) lives on at the highest reaches of the Pentagon, as the remarks of Schissler reveal.
http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=697
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:21 pmThe Necon fascist
(http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3027ledeen_iran.html
SYNARCHISM-NAZI/COMMUNISM’
Michael Ledeen Demands `Regime Change’ in Iran : by Scott Thompson
We have already crossed the Rubicon. We are already in Hell. World War III in Eurasia is already ongoing. There was not an Iraq war; there is a continuing Iraq war. There was not an Afghanistan war; there is a continuing Afghanistan war. There’s already an onset of a war with Iran, being run covertly, as a covert operation, from the United States, in Iran right now! You see it on the television screens here. That is not a spontaneous student movement. That is a U.S.-run destabilization of Iran, trying to set up the conditions for a war. The situation in Korth Korea; other situations I know of; we are now inside World War III. It is not something that we could prevent from happening. We’re there. –Address by Lyndon LaRouche in Istanbul, Turkey, June 14, 2003
Ledeen’s ideas are quoted daily by such figures as Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz. His views virtually define the stark departure from American foreign policy philosophy that characterized United States actions since September 11, 2001…. Now Ledeen is calling for ‘regime change’ beyond Iraq. In an address titled ‘Time to Focus on Iran: The Mother of Modern Terrorism,’ for the policy forum of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) on April 30, he declared: “The time for diplomacy is at the end; it is time for a free Iran, a free Syria and free Lebanon.” –William O. Beeman, “Michael Ledeen: Neoconservative Guru,” in The Daily Star, Beirut, Lebanon, May 9, 2003
The same drumbeat for “regime change” that led to war against Iraq, is now coming from the mouths of Vice President Dick Cheney’s “chicken-hawk” cabal; only now, the target is Iran. This destabilization is being run through U.S. private foundations and think-tanks, to overthrow the government in Iran, and run a destabilization, and/or military strike against Iran’s nuclear energy production facilities.
The pointman is Michael Ledeen, who divides his time among National Review Online, JINSA, and the American Enterprise Institute (AEI). Ledeen is stirring up the networks in Congress and the press, and lining up tainted intelligence to justify war on Iran.
This is the same Michael Ledeen, who, as a consultant to the Reagan-Bush Administration National Security Council in the mid-1980s, was a pivotal criminal figure in the Iran-Contra fiasco, covertly peddling weapons to the very Ayatollahs whom he is now plotting to overthrow. He is also the same Ledeen who now calls for the United States to wage war against Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan, Libya because, he alleges, they are all “masters of terror.” Yet in the 1980s, Ledeen was one of the biggest promoters in Washington of the so-called Afghansi mujahideen–including Osama bin Laden–whom he touted as “freedom fighters” and “champions of the democratic struggle against totalitarian communism.”
Ledeen’s operations are not merely the rantings of deeply disturbed wanna-be Il Duce. His efforts should be understood as reflecting the immediate intentions of the Administration neo-conservatives. His cronies, Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz and Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Doug Feith, are the key advisors to Secretary of Defense Donald “Dr. Strangelove” Rumsfeld.
Ledeen, the self-proclaimed “universal fascist,” has long been under scrutiny by EIR researchers, as a man who has been in the midst of some of the dirtiest covert intelligence operations of the past 30 years. EIR’s Special Report of April 1987, Project Democracy: The ‘Parallel Government’ Behind the Iran-Contra Affair, put a spotlight on Ledeen, from which I draw some of the brief profile published here.
Ledeen, as he wrote in his book Machiavelli on Modern Leadership: Why Machiavelli’s Iron Rules Are As Timely and Important Today as Five Centuries Ago (New York: St. Martin’s Press, 2000), is a believer in “total war” through “creative violence.” There is no such thing as peace between nations, he maintains; peace is just an interlude between wars. ) Cabal has been urging war with with Iraq,Syria,Iran way before 911, and it fitted the “energy needs of VICE President Cheney… this is part of a more war for Oil and Drugs plan…
see http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display/186237/index.php
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:22 pmYep, Yosemite Sam is an angry, sick person, like most of the neo cons, and like most neo cons had other things to do during the Vietnam war than fight. Another neo con trait is not accepting responsibility for their actions; so when Iran initiates retaliatory strikes against U.S. interests after an Israel attack, the neo cons will head for cover, then come out for invading Iran. Go John!
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:22 pmSo let’s look at what the human costs of dropping a tactical nuclear weapon on Iran might entail.
They are astronomical.
“The number of deaths could exceed a million, and the number of people with increased cancer risks could exceed 10 million,” according to a backgrounder by the Union of Concerned Scientists from May 2005.
The National Academy of Sciences studied these earth-penetrating nuclear weapons last year. They could “kill up to a million people or more if used in heavily populated areas,” concluded the report, which was sponsored by the U.S. Department of Defense.
Physicians for Social Responsibility examined the risks of a more advanced buster-bunker weapon, and it eerily tabulated the toll from an attack on the underground nuclear facility in Esfahan, Iran. “Three million people would be killed by radiation within two weeks of the explosion, and 35 million people in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India, would be exposed to increased levels of cancer-causing radiation,” according to a summary of that study in the backgrounder by the Union of Concerned Scientists.
Even if these estimates are off by a factor of two or three, I think we have unquestionably entered genocidal territory. We can only pray that these scientists are profoundly in error. (A much lower estimate is provided by the Oxford Research Group: up to 10,000 immediate deaths, although their report also predicts a much broader and protracted regional war to follow. That would obviously lead to many additional casualties.)
And please remember the overwhelmingly critical fact: we are talking about a threat — if it is one at all — that still lies five or ten years in the future. All these deaths, whatever their number, would result from an attack predicated on a potential threat that does not exist at present, or that will exist in the near future. Many Americans might still look to our “good intentions” and our “exceptionalism” to save them from identifying the savage and inhuman barbarism that the United States would then embody — but much of the rest of the world would not be forgiving or delusional on the required scale. There can never be any kind of forgiveness, even in the smallest degree, for this kind of act.
http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2006/04/morality-humanity-and-civilization.html
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:24 pmA- Iran does not have any nuclear weapons capability.
B- Iranian oil is shipped out as exports, however, re-imported as the derivatives of oil, ie refined fuel oils, gasoline, petrol etc. This is mainly due to the eight years of war waged by Saddam at behest of his masters, mainly US, UK, aka The West. During which Iranian oil refineries, were prime targets for destruction, as well as all the industrial oil infrastructure.
C- Post the costly war of Saddam on Iran. All Iranian efforts to reinstate the lost infrastructures, through the various contracts by differing suppliers have been stymied (got nowhere). Through contractors dragging their heels, the equipment deliveries not taking place, additional costings introduced, etc.
D- Iranian power nuclear reactor building programme started during the late sixties, early seventies, based on the estimated depletion of oil around the late eighties, and nineties, for replacing the oil based energy production (Iran has been in nuclear research since 1950). This nuclear power programme came to an abrupt halt after the revolution, by contractors upping sticks and walking out (breach of contract in international law). Also due to the sanctions put in place by US, subsequently no contractors were available to finish the costly initial stages put in place. Also Saddam had made sure whatever was put in place was heavily bombarded too.
E- Iranian money was put into a nascent nuclear fuel production company Eurodif (European Gaseous Diffusion Uranium Enrichment) in France.
E1- In 1973 France, Belgium, Spain and Sweden formed the joint stock company EURODIF. Sweden withdrew from the project in 1974.
E2- In 1975 Sweden’s 10 per cent share in EURODIF went to Iran as a result of an arrangement between France and Iran. The French government subsidiary company Cogema and the Iranian Government established the Sofidif (Société franco–iranienne pour l’enrichissement de l’uranium par diffusion gazeuse) enterprise with 60 per cent and 40 per cent shares, respectively. In turn, Sofidif acquired a 25 per cent share in EURODIF, which gave Iran its 10 per cent share of EURODIF.
E3- In 1974, the Shah (Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi) lent 1 billion dollars (and another 180 million dollars in 1977) for the construction of the factory, to have the right to buy 10% of the production.
E5- Despite the ownership of the company Iran has no voice in the affairs of these companies, as well as others in Germany, and elsewhere. ie The Iranians are good enough as cash cows, but their wishes cannot be asserted, in other words; ‘Iranians should be seen and not heard’. Hence no nuclear fuel either!
F- Considering the time lines of the long running nuclear power production, and considering the sanctions and arbitrary application of international laws. Iranians have learned to rely on their own infrastructure, hence the dogged attempts for in house nuclear fuel enrichment. As it is patently obvious that nuclear reactors do not run on biofuels ie Camel Dong.
G- In the current hysterical climate of rants and ravings of the lunatics in the White House, and their proxies in the Vampire Implant aka isreal. The notions of a civil nuclear power has been successfully misconstrued as an attempt in production of nuclear weapons. Which in turn this fantasy has been the basis of the naked aggression and debates about attacking Iran.
H- Considering isreal has 400 nuclear bombs, including thermonuclear bombs (hydrogen bombs), and delivery vehicles for these weapons of mass destruction, in the shape of ballistic missiles, intercontinental ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and aircraft, as well as the secondary retaliatory capacity of the dolphin class submarines donated by Germany. Vampire Implant’ constant harangues of being in danger, of being over run, and or annihilation, despite its 400 time over plus the submarine launched secondary retaliatory for destruction of any probable adversary. Also despite the fact that clearly adversaries even as big as Europe could not match this kind of fire power.
I- Hence the current chorus for war by US, and Vampire Implant, is in fact rooted in the notion that Iran has no nuclear weapons. However, the absurdity of attacking Iran, a country that has followed the international laws to their letter, and a signatory to IAEA. By an aggressor in the form of the Vampire Implant, an entity that has manifestly and evidently exhibited not to be bound by any constraints of international law, and has never entertained to ratify NPT, or be under the scrutiny of IAEA. Needs heavy calibre propaganda.
J- Enter Shalev, and his little film of Zionist Supremacist, by Zionist Supremacists, for Zionist Supremacists.
K- BBC, as other have pointed out, run by Michael Grade whom was congratulated in the various Zionist circles for having landed the top job, is now an organ of propaganda for the Zionist Supremacists agenda. In effect in continuation of the occupation of the Western Media the settlers are moving further, and deeper into various organisations, all the while focused on their wretched creed. So it should come as no surprise to find the hard approach of this organisations on all the perceived enemies of the Zionist Supremacists.
L- The stupefaction of the Western Audiences, by the occupied media, have further brought about the venality of the Western Governments, whose political leaders have become in effect similar to Arafat in his compound, ie hostages to these Zionist Supremacists. Hence the almost maniacal and mad rhetoric that makes no sense to anyone remotely aware of the facts on the ground.
M- The narrow world view brought about by such combination of propaganda, and acquiescence of those political leaders in the West, however is not shared by the rest of the world. Therefore, with every drum beat of war, it is becoming clearer the never ending war that is currently under way. However, appeasing the warmongers, has patently resulted in the growing appetites of these same warmongers, which brings about the high probability of a global war, which will very quickly and suddenly escalate into a full and final nuclear exchange.
N- It is up to us all to start affording the majority of the people whom have been in the merciless clutches of the settlers occupying our media, and highest echelons of power. By teaching these masses, these victims of propaganda the realities, and actualities on the ground. Destruction of the Zionist Supremacy is not an anti-Semitic goal, it is in fact aiding those poor Jews whom are suffering along with the rest of the world in the hands of the few Supremacist whom seem to shout the loudest, it is time we all joined together and out shouted the Zionist Supremacists.
http://www.nkusa.org/
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:25 pmalthough i disagree with bolton’s wider point, what he specifically says here is not that far off the mark (considering how extreme bolton has been, and continues to be).
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:26 pmdid bolton mention anything about a nuclear weapon in the entire text of bolton’s interview?
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:27 pmThis private citizen says that Rice has no credibility left with the American people. She is a puppet, and a poor quality one at that.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:28 pmFrom: Nigel
Judaism is not Zionism. Zionism is RACISM.
John Bolton and Rupert Murdoch belong in prison. He’s not Jewish (Murdoch is), but he remains one of the most rabid Zionist in the US Government. Murdoch’s FoxNews is a propaganda tool for the Zionist to dumb-down the American people. And Bolton has single-handedly increased nuclear proliferation because his bullying tactics at the UN, made every nation realize that they must develop the bomb to prevent a pre-emptive illegal war by the Fascist NeoCon regime of America. Israel’s state-sponsored terrorism is illegal. The hypocrisy by the US has turned the entire world against us. America is becoming a global pariah state like Israel. The State of Israel is an illegitimate regime. Iran is right: Zionism must end.
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20061118-084936-7081r
Israel’s ambassador walked out on the United Nations session that resulted in a strong call to Israel to end its military operations in the Gaza Strip. The 192-member General Assembly voted Friday night 156-7, with six abstentions, in favor of the non-binding resolution in an emergency special session. The United States, Israel and Australia voted against the document, while all the European Union members supported it after last-minute changes were made to soften the tone. Israeli Ambassador Dan Gillerman conducted a news conference nearby and blasted the session as a “farce” and a “circus,” Ha’aretz reported Saturday. U.S. Ambassador John Bolton called the resolution “one-sided” and said its adoption would only “increase tension and serve the interests of those hostile to Israel and that do not accept Israel’s right to exist.” Palestinian U.N. observer Riyad Mansour said Israel had committed war crimes against Palestinian civilians in its nearly five-month offensive, which Israel says is aimed at stopping militants from firing rockets into its territory.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:29 pmThe Christian Zionists are hell bent on bringing about Armageddon:
On July 16, I attended Christians United for Israel’s annual Washington-Israel Summit. Founded by San Antonio-based megachurch pastor John Hagee, CUFI has added the grassroots muscle of the Christian right to the already potent Israel lobby. Hagee and his minions have forged close ties with the Bush White House and members of Congress from Sen. Joseph Lieberman to Sen. John McCain. In its call for a unilateral military attack on Iran and the expansion of Israeli territory, CUFI has found unwavering encouragement from traditional pro-Israel groups like AIPAC and elements of the Israeli government.
But CUFI has an ulterior agenda: its support for Israel derives from the belief of Hagee and his flock that Jesus will return to Jerusalem after the battle of Armageddon and cleanse the earth of evil. In the end, all the non-believers – Jews, Muslims, Hindus, mainline Christians, etc. – must convert or suffer the torture of eternal damnation. Over a dozen CUFI members eagerly revealed to me their excitement at the prospect of Armageddon occurring tomorrow. Among the rapture ready was Republican Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay. None of this seemed to matter to Lieberman, who delivered a long sermon hailing Hagee as nothing less than a modern-day Moses. Lieberman went on to describe Hagee’s flock as “even greater than the multitude Moses commanded.”
Throughout CUFI’s Israel Summit, videographer Thomas Shomaker and I were hounded by PR agents seeking to prevent us from interviewing attendees about the End Times. The conference, we were told, was about “one message” – evangelical Christians supporting Israel. We were instructed to only interview CUFI leaders capable of sticking to the talking point that their support for Israel has, as Hagee declared, “nothing to do with the End Times.” But I was forbidden from asking Hagee about statements he made in his book, “Jerusalem Countdown,” that appeared to blame Jews for their own persecution. After doing just that during a press conference, I was removed from the conference by off-duty DC cops summoned by members of Hagee’s family.
I have covered the Christian right intensely for over four years. During this time, I attended dozens of Christian right conferences, regularly monitored movement publications and radio shows, and interviewed scores of its key leaders. I have never witnessed any spectacle as politically extreme, outrageous, or bizarre as the one Christians United for Israel produced last week in Washington. See for yourself.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/rapture-ready-the-unauth_b_57826.html
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:32 pmRICE – The enabler of Armageddon:
Secretary of State Rice’s response to the disaster in New Orleans was: “The Lord Jesus Christ is going to come on time.” She added: “If we just wait.” “On time”? How does Rice know the exact time Armageddon starts? “If we just waitâ€? That means in her, that is our, lifetime!
By using NSA intelligence to set an invisible tripwire, the Bush administration is laying the condition for regional conflagration with untold consequences — from Pakistan to Afghanistan, from Iraq to Israel. Secretly devising a scheme that might thrust Israel into a ring of fire cannot be construed as a blunder. It is a deliberate, calculated and methodical plot.
In order to try to understand the neoconservative road map, senior national security professionals have begun circulating among themselves a 1996 neocon manifesto against the Middle East peace process. Titled “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm,” its half-dozen authors included neoconservatives highly influential with the Bush administration — Richard Perle, first-term chairman of the Defense Policy Board; Douglas Feith, former undersecretary of defense; and David Wurmser, Cheney’s chief Middle East aide.
Richard Haass, the Middle East advisor on the elder Bush’s National Security Council and President Bush’s first-term State Department policy planning director, and now president of the Council on Foreign Relations, openly scoffed at Bush’s Middle East policy in an interview on July 30 in the Washington Post:
“The arrows are all pointing in the wrong direction. The biggest danger in the short run is it just increases frustration and alienation from the United States in the Arab world. Not just the Arab world, but in Europe and around the world. People will get a daily drumbeat of suffering in Lebanon and this will just drive up anti-Americanism to new heights.” When asked about the president’s optimism, he replied, “An opportunity? Lord, spare me. I don’t laugh a lot. That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard in a long time. If this is an opportunity, what’s Iraq? A once-in-a-lifetime chance?”
It is a deliberate, calculated and methodical plot.
“A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm”
Meyrav Wurmser was its author.
http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/fairenough/salon027.html
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:33 pmhttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/01/18/RICEBOXER.DTL&type=printable
MS. RICE: Senator Boxer, I would refer you to the president’s speech before the American Enterprise Institute in February, prior to the war, in which he talked about the fact that, yes, there was the threat of weapons of mass destruction, but he also talked to the strategic threat that Saddam Hussein was to the region.
Saddam Hussein was a threat, yes, because he was trying to acquire weapons of mass destruction. And, yes, we thought that he had stockpiles which he did not have. We had problems with the intelligence. We are all, as a collective polity of the United States, trying to deal with ways to get better intelligence.
But it wasn’t just weapons of mass destruction. He was also a place — his territory was a place where terrorists were welcomed, where he paid suicide bombers to bomb Israel, where he had used Scuds against Israel in the past.
And so we knew what his intentions were in the region; where he had attacked his neighbors before and, in fact, tried to annex Kuwait; where we had gone to war against him twice in the past. It was the total picture, Senator, not just weapons of mass destruction, that caused us to decide that, post-September 11th, it was finally time to deal with Saddam Hussein.
SEN. BOXER: Well, you should read what we voted on when we voted to support the war, which I did not, but most of my colleagues did. It was WMD, period. That was the reason and the causation for that, you know, particular vote.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:35 pmA blind dismissal of Israel’s right to self-determination and the “lumping” of a potential preemptive Israeli strike on Iranian nuclear sites with the neocon agenda is short-sighted and misguided.
We need to grapple deeper with the geopolitical realities affecting Israel.
Imagine, fellow citizens, if a report came out that a dictatorship neighboring the United States had the capability to acquire nuclear weapons within three to five years. Now imagine that that country had made statements that the United States should be wiped off the map. Furthermore, imagine that the country in question had been selling long-range rockets and guns to our other enemy neighbors for years, who continuously terrorize our cities with mortar and shelling, perform suicide bombings whenever our backs are turned, and release propaganda continuously referring to the Americans as inhuman.
In this situation, do you think it would be inappropriate for America to simply raise the possibility that we would initiate a targeted, low-casualty strike on our enemy’s nuclear sites?
Oh Progressives, you have so much positive energy in your motivated, iconoclastic bodies. I know that your categorical promotion of liberty, nonviolence and individuality can sometimes lead you to reject regimes that have to sometimes assume less-than-peaceful means to accomplish their noble ends.
But keep in mind that Israel is a state founded on progressive, left-wing, socialist ideals–a state that aspires to an ideal of equality unparalleled in the modern world. Their existence and survival is crucial to the promulgation of ideas of organizations like your own.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:36 pmDon’t these returds have any brains? Do they not think of the consciences of their actions at all? Does the destruction and slaughter of innocents mean nothing to these sickos.
Just more proof that the world needs to rid itself of the repukians christofascists and their ilk.
Bush/Cheney
Hague Trials ‘09
Buck Fush
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:37 pmNow imagine that that country had made statements that the United States should be wiped off the map.
Comment by ThinkBalanced — January 22, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
You’ll need to imagine that about Iran and Israel, too, since Iran never made such a statement.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:40 pmBut keep in mind that Israel is a state founded on progressive, left-wing, socialist ideals–a state that aspires to an ideal of equality unparalleled in the modern world. Their existence and survival is crucial to the promulgation of ideas of organizations like your own.
Comment by ThinkBalanced — January 22, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
Ethnic cleansing, land-grabs, and ethnic/religious discriminiation are not progressive, left wing ideals.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:41 pmBut keep in mind that Israel is a state founded on progressive, left-wing, socialist ideals–a state that aspires to an ideal of equality unparalleled in the modern world. Their existence and survival is crucial to the promulgation of ideas of organizations like your own.
Comment by ThinkBalanced — January 22, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
Another load of jingoistic fantasy brought to you by AIPAC.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:41 pmI’m having trouble finding the argument here:
First it was Iran is a nucular (I think that’s how the WH says it) threat. So we have to bomb Iran before they nuke us.
Then the NIE says Iran doesn’t have the resources to make a nuke.
So now the argument is that if we don’t bomb Iran, then Israel will. Sounds to me kind of like “I’m friends with the geeky kid in school. But I’d better beat him up because if I don’t, someone else will.”
At least if Israel attacks, they are the ones who will have to defend their actions. And their neighboring states will have the option of taking appropriate countermeasures.
Assuming that we aren’t involved and not defending their actions, at least we then have the option to decide how much we are in that fight.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:42 pmBead Artzein
On 04 September 2001 a demonstration was held in Jerusalem to support of the Idea of the State Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates. It was organised by the movement Bead Artzein (”For the Homeland”), headed by rabbi and historian Avrom Shmulevic from Hebron. According to Shmulevic, “We shall have no peace as long as the whole territory of the Land of Israel will not return under Jewish control…. A stable peace will come only then, when Israel will return to itself all its historical lands, and will thus control both the Suez and the Ormudz channel…. We must remember that Iraqi oil fields too are located on the Jewish land.”
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/greater-israel-maps.htm
In 1994, Daniel Pipes wrote: “No Israeli political party today (not even Meir Kahane’s Kach) aspires to Israeli rule over all Eretz Yisrael.” That is no longer true. Avrom Shmulevic’s “Bead Artzein” aspires precisely to a Nile-to-Euphrates Israel–see for example
READ EVERY WORD:
http://utenti.lycos.it/Delenda_Carthago/israel_010904.html
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:45 pmImagine, fellow citizens, if a report came out that a dictatorship neighboring the United States had the capability to acquire nuclear weapons within three to five years. Now imagine that that country had made statements that the United States should be wiped off the map.
Comment by ThinkBalanced
Well, since neither of your first two statements is true, why should we read the rest of your missive? Iran is not 3 to 5 years from having the ability to make a nuclear weapon and the “wipe Israel off the map” canard was debunked a long time ago.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:50 pmI can’t believe we would allow a tool of the Israeli government like Bolton to run our foreign policy. Would you feel ok with giving that kind of power to other countries??? Should we have former British officials serving in high US government positions, telling us how the US should react, and threatening us with UK’s actions if we don’t comply? Would we be ok with giving Chinese officials this kind of power in our government? or French? This is AMERICA. It’s time we started making foreign policy decisions which benefit AMERICA, not any other country. I don’t care if Israel is an ally or not. That doesn’t mean they should dictate our foreign policy. We’ve allowed neo-cons with loyalties to foreign governments to hijack our government.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:53 pmWell said…take to the streets lazy Americans….burn synagogues, kill those disloyal Americam Zionists otherwise they will kill you and your kids. We need another Bill Kristol nacht
Comment by jason baddo — January 22, 2008 @ 3:56 pm
Troll detected.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:00 pm70. Fool detected. Idiot, I mean what I say…Zionists are responsible for the financial mess around the globe and tension iin the Mid-East. Yet, the average Yank is clueless.
Comment by jason baddo — January 22, 2008 @ 4:06 pm
Zionism has nothing to do with world financial markets. You are trolling a legitimate discussion about Israeli policy and U.S. Middle East policy with anti-semitic crap just to fuel the “progressives are anti-semitic” myth. Stop it. You’re not fooling anyone.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:14 pmZionism has nothing to do with world financial markets. You are trolling a legitimate discussion about Israeli policy and U.S. Middle East policy with anti-semitic crap just to fuel the “progressives are anti-semitic†myth. Stop it. You’re not fooling anyone.
Comment by toasterhead — January 22, 2008 @ 4:14 pm
Word!
Megaphone troll.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:21 pmformer US Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton…
WTF? He was never confirmed by the Senate for this position, therefore,
the best he could be called is ‘Bush’s interim but unconfirmed temporary
appointee’ to the UN.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:22 pmRight?
Right?
Comment by Zimzone — January 22, 2008 @ 4:22 pm
Temporary Recess Appointment
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:24 pmThis has nothing to do with anti-Semitism, or some kind of Jewish world conspiracy. As an anglo, I would have just as much problem with British officials in our government acting on behalf of the UK. We need to act in the best interests of the United States, not in ANY other countries’ interests.
Israel has proven they can defend themselves anyways. So even if this phony threat from Iran WAS true, Israel should act in their own interests and defend themselves if necessary. They shouldn’t try to threaten us by saying they will act if we do not. That’s an attempt to hijack our foreign policy and push us into acting for them. They should make their own decisions and face the consequences of their own actions.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:24 pmthe average Yank is clueless.
Comment by jason baddo — January 22, 2008 @ 4:06 pm
Jason:
What country are you blogging from? Clearly NOT the US, and I seriously doubt you are a US citizen.
Yank this.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:26 pmIsrael has proven they can defend themselves anyways. So even if this phony threat from Iran WAS true, Israel should act in their own interests and defend themselves if necessary. They shouldn’t try to threaten us by saying they will act if we do not. That’s an attempt to hijack our foreign policy and push us into acting for them. They should make their own decisions and face the consequences of their own actions.
Comment by BrianFL
Actually I think you have it backwards. Israel is not trying to push us to attack Iran for them, we are trying to push Israel to attack Iran for us!
If they want to attack Iran, then I say we stay out of it. It will be their fight, not ours and we should keep our nose where it belongs, and that is in this country trying to fix the mess the Bush Crime Family has made out of our government.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:28 pmJason:
What country are you blogging from? Clearly NOT the US, and I seriously doubt you are a US citizen.
Yank this.
Comment by plunger
Good point. Haven’t seen Jason around for a while. Maybe this is his new identity. Sounds like him.
And plunger, I have to say that I appreciate the brevity of your recent posts. I would like to continue to read your posts, but not if they go more than one screen full.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:30 pmHmmmm…it is quite shocking to see the less-than-civic response my (albeit) longwinded characterization of Israel has received. I will not dignify some of my ideological adversaries with a response to their hackneyed allegations of Israel’s “ethnic cleansing” (Israel being a pluralistic democracy, in favor of a two-state solution, and containing thousands of Arabs within its borders who enjoy the protection of the Israeli government).
That being said, I leave the group with this question:
What would it take for Israel to be “just” in your eyes? To remove the security fence/wall and let suicide attacks continue? To stand by passively while their enemies potentially acquire bigger and greater weapons, capable of targeting their population centers? To suddenly declare Hamas a non-terrorist entity, and accept their savage tactics of “statecraft”? For the Jews to go back to their slaughter as they did in the 1940s?
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:38 pmWhen was the last time any politician in America engaged in a “legitimate†discussion about so-called Israeli policy & U.S. Middle East policy before they were branded anti-Semites?? Do they names Mearsheimer & Walt mean anything to you ? Or perhaps the names of Palestinian women & children slaughtered by our dear “ally†with American hardware ?
Comment by jason baddo — January 22, 2008 @ 4:25 pm
The names Mearsheimer and Walt do mean something to me – I’m reading The Israel Lobby right now and it’s quite good. And I haven’t found a list of the names of the 40+ Palestinians killed and injured in Israel’s latest rocket attack on Gaza, but I do condemn the acts of aggression and collective punishment. Take a look at my blog and my posting history here and you’ll see where I stand on the issue of Israel/Palestine.
What I’m not doing is blaming these acts on all Jews, or using the coded language of anti-Semitism to oppose Israeli policy. Not all Jews are Zionists. Not all Zionists are Jews. Calling for a “Kristol nacht” and the “burning of synagogues” is just racism and bigotry.
You don’t fight racism and bigotry with more racism and bigotry.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:49 pmWhy is anyone reporting Bolton’s comments?
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:55 pmWhat would it take for Israel to be “just†in your eyes?
End the occupation of all territories seized in 1967, remove settlers from Palestinian lands seized in 1967, allow Palestinian refugees displaced in 1948 to return to their homelands, and work towards a viable two- or one-state solution that allows the Palestinian people to control their ports, border crossings, watersheds, and airspace. Ideally, they could also work towards an eventual one-state solution, but that’s a century off at this rate.
To remove the security fence/wall and let suicide attacks continue?
They’re more than welcome to build the Apartheid Wall on their own land. They should not be building it on Palestinian land and disrupting Palestinian livelihoods.
To stand by passively while their enemies potentially acquire bigger and greater weapons, capable of targeting their population centers?
No, they should be engaging their neighbors diplomatically. If they start working towards a viable peace with the Palestinian people, and return the land they stole from their neighbors, their neighbors will cease to be enemies.
To suddenly declare Hamas a non-terrorist entity, and accept their savage tactics of “statecraft�
Why not? They suddenly declared Fatah a non-terrorist entity and accepted their corrupt and incompetent tactics of statecraft.
For the Jews to go back to their slaughter as they did in the 1940s?
Comment by ThinkBalanced — January 22, 2008 @ 4:38 pm
No, they don’t need to resurrect Irgun and Lehi and the other pre-1948 terrorist groups. The IDF is much more efficient at slaughtering innocents, surely.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:04 pmToasterhead, I’m glad you’ve found the time to reflect on the Gaza/Israel issue in a way that is more meaningful than most. I have read the book and the authors make some quasi-astute observations.
However, for someone that has studied the issue critically, one becomes pretty puzzled at the shallowness of their scholarship, at their failure to acknowledge the power of other just-as-powerful lobbies like the AARP and the NRA, and their purposeful ignorance of the sale of arms to to Arab countries that avow Israel’s destruction. Before you finish reading the Walt and Mearsheimer book, I challenge you to read Leslie Gelb’s short explanation of the issue in the Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/23/books/review/Gelb-t.html?_r=3&ref=books&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
It rests on logic more tenable than that applied by Walt and Mearsheimer to their argument, and relies on a deeper understanding of the issues.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:10 pm“That increases the pressure on Israel in that period of time… if it feels Iran is on the verge of acquiring that capability, it brings the decision point home to use force,â€
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:20 pm—so what!!! Let Israel start its own war. Why is the responsibility of the U.S. to attack Iran FOR Israel?
End the occupation of all territories seized in 1967, remove settlers from Palestinian lands seized in 1967, allow Palestinian refugees displaced in 1948 to return to their homelands, and work towards a viable two- or one-state solution that allows the Palestinian people to control their ports, border crossings, watersheds, and airspace. Ideally, they could also work towards an eventual one-state solution, but that’s a century off at this rate.
–The mythical “right of return” you are alluding to is non-existent. Palestinian refugees have been kept in their camps by their Arab hosts as a political ploy to foster resentment and keep the possibility of “repatriating” Israel open, after their first attempt to push Israel into the sea was thwarted.
They’re more than welcome to build the Apartheid Wall on their own land. They should not be building it on Palestinian land and disrupting Palestinian livelihoods.
–The majority of the Wall (let’s be civic here, and not adhere to Carter’s canards, which has apologized for, I might add) is on Israeli land. If Palestinian’s want their villages back, tell them to stop blowing up Israeli children.
No, they should be engaging their neighbors diplomatically. If they start working towards a viable peace with the Palestinian people, and return the land they stole from their neighbors, their neighbors will cease to be enemies.
–Diplomacy has been tried and tested by Israeli foreign ambassador after foreign ambassador. And Israel continues to use diplomacy with Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia–all countries that professed Israel’s destruction at one point throughout the last 40 years. They are engaged in negotiations with Mahmoud Abbas currently.
Why not? They suddenly declared Fatah a non-terrorist entity and accepted their corrupt and incompetent tactics of statecraft.
–Fatah renounced their assertion that Israel must be eradicated. They are pushing for their own state that rests alongside Israel and do not want to destroy Israel completely as does Hamas.
No, they don’t need to resurrect Irgun and Lehi and the other pre-1948 terrorist groups. The IDF is much more efficient at slaughtering innocents, surely.
–This last one makes no sense.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:25 pmSo Israel is encouraged to shoot first and ask questions later because of an Islamic oil state that might have nukes by the London olympics, but we are supporting Musharraf’s iron-fist nuclear regime in Pakistan, one that’s disappearing to the back burner or less.
This is like a bad WWE tag-team match, the Shining Reasonable Judeo-Christians against the Arab (or close enough) Jihadi Devils.
What if Saudi Arabia attacked Israel, whom would the neocons choose!
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:29 pmWhy is it that so few realize that if Israel thinks there’s a need to attack Iran they would do so? They don’t typically wait for others to sanction their actions.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:48 pm“That increases the pressure on Israel in that period of time… if it feels Iran is on the verge of acquiring that [nuclear] capability, it brings the decision point home to use force,†he [Bolton] said.
Um-hmmm. And Israel will use whatever and however much force is necessary … including nuclear … to “protect” itself.
Cheers,
January 22nd, 2008 at 6:00 pmwtf…..when you see footage of fighting between israel and palestine you will always see a modern well equiped well trained military in uniform using all of the modern hell fire at thier command against boys and young men with rocks and not much more than bottle rockets and you want me to feel sorry for israel???
sounds much like warsaw….
January 22nd, 2008 at 7:13 pmWhy wait?
Why wouldn’t Israel deserve punishment after violating every UN resolution, and the Geneva Convention?
Comment by Juan C. — January 22, 2008 @ 2:48 pm
Because the psycho ZioNazis are the Chosen Ones just like the American Christo-Fascists. They are answerable to only dog…..er…..god, even though it is a slightly different deity in each case.
“He’s been there…and you probably don’t even know where you are.”
Dr. Harry Cox, commenting on a dog whose ancestors (he claims) came from outer space millions of years ago to rule the Earth.”
Firesign Theatre – Everything You Know Is Wrong
January 22nd, 2008 at 7:17 pmI personally admire the Palesininans(spelling?) They would rather do without water or electricity or jobs than allow the Israelies to dominate them. Talk about some patriats.
Yassar Aarofat was a nobel peace prize winner…..I know trolls are droolin but sadly for you guys a lot of intelligent people believed that he deserved it……no worry about any of the bushies receiving such an honor.
January 22nd, 2008 at 7:37 pm.
MAKING ILLEGAL WAR BY PROXY
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January 23rd, 2008 at 4:11 amThis shoot first and ask questions later policy is what got us into Iraq. This guy has a serious control freak issue and he needs some help. Why start a war that could lead to $5.00 a gallon gas prices? Because he and his rich republican friends can pay that much and not hurt. So lets just go right ahead and ruin the rest of our ecomony.
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:07 pm