Matthews: ‘Giuliani hasn’t been beaten yet.’
By on Jan 22nd, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Matthews: ‘Giuliani hasn’t been beaten yet.’
On this evening’s Hardball, Chris Matthews made this incredulous and puzzling statement:
Some people think [the Republican presidential race] has come down to McCain, Romney, and — just because Giuliani hasn’t been beaten yet — Giuliani.
Watch it:
[flv http://video.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/chrd.320.240.flv]
Note to Chris: Giuliani has not only been beaten, he’s been crushed. To recap: Giuliani finished fifth in Iowa with 4 percent, fourth in New Hampshire with 9 percent, sixth in Michigan with 3 percent, sixth in Nevada with 4 percent and sixth in South Carolina with 2 percent.
UPDATE: Tim Grieve has more.
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wait til florida!
(LOL)
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:18 pmTypical dumbass construct, “Some people think . . . ”
And guys like this definitely want to pretend Huckleberry doesn’t exist. “Let’s just not even talk about him.”
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:19 pmMatthews likes guys who cross-dress like Rudy. Call it a crush.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:20 pmChris Matthews again!!! What a totally misinformed and misplaced person. His rightful job, for which he is imminently capable, is as BushCos Press Secretary.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:20 pmThat’s some manlove Matthews has for Dame Rudy.
Think again, Chris. Report: Rudy Dropping In Florida Despite Sinking Big Money Into The State
Rudy has ruined the brand for Warmongering Authoritarian Candidates. Looks bad for the GOP (Grand Old Perverts)
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:20 pmOh wow, I’m just like Giuliani since I haven’t been beaten yet either. Does this mean I might become president?
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:24 pmOK, you nailed him on being imprecise. But let’s face it, everyone knows Giuliani has been putting his money on Florida since it became clear in late 2007 that he wasn’t going to compete in the early states. Just look at all the news stories that talk about the late-state strategy. I’m not sure why TP wastes its time on silly non-stories like this.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:24 pmDoes anyone remember the “Debate” team in high school? There were competitions amongst regional schools and topics ranged from political to social to historical. I swear the debaters at the ages of 16-18 would whip this Chris Mathews like a rented mule. I have been fortunate enough to have only ever seen this guy on The Daily Show. How any one can take him seriously?
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:27 pmwould TP care to take a stand on kucinich, then?
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:32 pmHas Tweety spoken about Rudy’s fine aftershave smell, the closeness of his shave, or the manliness of his shoulders?
That’s the true test of a future president.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:32 pmMatthews is playing to the Nantucket media crowd. That’s why he’s so enamored of Giuliani: because he is their chosen leader, and Matthews craves the Kool Kids’ approval.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:34 pmStick a fork in Rudy. With Thompson out, Florida could almost go to Huckabee. On top of that, you can’t land a 747 on Rudy’s shoulders.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:40 pmwould TP care to take a stand on kucinich, then?
Comment by darladoon — January 22, 2008 @ 8:32 pm
This thread is about Giuliani. Focus…
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:41 pmRudy couldn’t win even if they held the election on 911. In a just world, Mathews would be hosing out a dairy barn for minimum wage.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:43 pmwould TP care to take a stand on kucinich, then?
Comment by darladoon — January 22, 2008 @ 8:32 pm
Is TP run by NBC? darlaloon, you’re a joke.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:43 pmThis thread is about Giuliani. Focus…
Comment by Zooey — January 22, 2008 @ 8:41 pm
That would be 9iu11ani.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:43 pm“I feel so safe when Rudy holds me close. His whiskers, the smell of his Old Spice. His firm yet smooth hands.
Rudy, take me away.”
-*Chris Matthews
*Meant as satire. I have no first hand knowledge of intimate canoodling between Tweety and Rudy.
-GSD
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:44 pmHe is the media darling and its product. Few days ago MSNBC gave about 15 minutes of air time live (free commercial) to Giuliani to talk about his tax cut plans.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:45 pmI wondered if MSNBC gives the same air time to Ron Paul for 15 minutes who beat giuliani in all states..
P.S. I live in NH. Rudy spent over 2 million in TV ads and did many personal campaign appearances.
The more NH saw him, the further he dropped in the polls.
-GSD
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:46 pmMatthews is hoping for the broomstick from Rudy.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:47 pmThat would be 9iu11ani.
Comment by Joefriday — January 22, 2008 @ 8:43 pm
Oh heavens, my bad. :-D
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:48 pmI am incredulous! The statement is incredible.
(Don’t confuse the two words, or people might question your credibility.)
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:53 pmAMERICA’S MAYORâ„¢ is UNBEATABLE!
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:54 pmThis thread is about Giuliani. Focus…
it’s about more than just giuliani; it’s about double standards.
and, furthermore, the question wasn’t for you. it was for the think progress staff.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:55 pmTweety and all those like him want Giuliani and Hillary so they can fire tear them both down during the campaign. Unfortunately, most voters think this is just fine. Tweety needs a wake up call.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:56 pmi don’t ever remember seeing a thread which read, “kucinich has not only been beaten; he’s been crushed.”
and let’s all keep in mind: kucinich has WORSE numbers than giuliani.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:57 pmand, furthermore, the question wasn’t for you. it was for the think progress staff.
Comment by darladoon — January 22, 2008 @ 8:55 pm
then you’d better not post it on the open thread, stupid. everybody will see what a partisan ass you are, and you will get landed on.
Oops! Too late!
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:59 pm#7 Thirdparty is correct. It is rather obvious for anyone who has followed the primaries that Matthews is saying that Giuiliani “has not been beaten” in a state in which he has focused and campaigned. Giuliani’s strategy — questionable as it may be — was to focus all his early efforts on Florida; hopefully win there, and then win delegate-rich primaries in the Northeast.
Giuliani did not focus or allocate resources in Iowa, NH, SC or Michigan. He was not beaten in those states. He was not even playing.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:02 pmYou are not really suggesting Matthews should base his opinion on facts and reality, do you?
C’mon, facts and reality are so…. pre-9/11 and… passé…
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:02 pmnd let’s all keep in mind: kucinich has WORSE numbers than giuliani.
Comment by darladoon — January 22, 2008 @ 8:57 pm
let’s all keep in mind: nobody on television is claiming anything different about Kucinich; this is a blog pointing out the obvious partisan leanings of someone who is supposed to be a newsman. Someone who has made the statement that giuliani hasn’t been beaten yet, a patently false and ridiculous statement. you’re trying to deflect the weakness of your candidates, but you’re not in freeperville, where they’ll buy any such nonsense. and we will keep pushing back against your weak, cheap propaganda. count on it.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:03 pmHe was not beaten in those states. He was not even playing.
Comment by Exley — January 22, 2008 @ 9:02 pm
nice framing, exley, but he was destroyed in those states, and he is running for president of all the United States, not president of Florida.
Duh.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:04 pmI’m not sure why TP wastes its time on silly non-stories like this.
Comment by thirdparty — January 22, 2008 @ 8:24 pm
because it points out the clear bias of the mainstream media, that’s why.
Duh.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:05 pmComment by darladoon — January 22, 2008 @ 8:57 pm
So? What is your point?
This thread is not even about Giuliani, but about Matthews’ obliviousness and lack of grounding.
Do try to keep up.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:06 pmthe only double standard is Matthews giving such public head to Rudy when there are several other candidates from both parties being excluded from media attention. So, by default the fact that Rudy blows as a candidate and a human is what the thread is about.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:06 pm“Thufferin Thuccotash, I’m not out yet”…”sssssssssssssssss 911, 911,911, 911, 911, 911, 911,911, 911, 911, 911, 911,911, 911, 911, 911, 911,911, 911, 911ssssssssssssssss”
What REAL heroes think and are doing to Crudy Ghouliani:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/wesh/20080122/lo_wesh/15111568
Now go and crawl away to a wet sewer, you lousy, slimy, stinking, Gollum.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:07 pm“I feel so safe when Rudy holds me close. His whiskers, the smell of his Old Spice. His firm yet smooth hands.
Rudy, take me away.â€
-*Chris Matthews
*Meant as satire. I have no first hand knowledge of intimate canoodling between Tweety and Rudy.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — January 22, 2008 @ 8:44 pm
_____________________________________
Of course, you also have no firsthand knowledge that DISPROVES that they canoodled. And in today’s Republican-fueled “If you don’t agree with everything Bush says, you love the terorrists PROVE ME WRONG YOU CAN’T HAH!” mentality, that’s as good as guilty.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:08 pmI think it’s amazing how the GOP has managed to field several candidates that might actually make things worse than Bushco has. They are reaching lower for recruits than the Army is. Benito 9ui11iani would guarantee that 9/11 was a mere prelude to the disaster that he would preside over.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:09 pmand, furthermore, the question wasn’t for you. it was for the think progress staff.
Comment by darladoon — January 22, 2008 @ 8:55 pm
Oh my, was I being uppity?
I could email your question to Faiz, if you like.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:09 pm911 Julie might get some of Slow Freddie’s Law and Order votes. But they will be too busy watching the endless reruns to make it to the polls. GOP has a pretty weak crop this time around.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:12 pmThanks to two small children, I watch a lot of animated films.
Rudy reminds me of the King Julius character from “Madagascar” — “I have a cunning plan inside my head!”
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:14 pmManure in manure out. They’re all the same lying, opportunistic shitheads.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:14 pmOr the Baldric character from “Black Adder” — “I have a cunning plan!”
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:15 pmComment by Zooey — January 22, 2008 @ 9:09 pm
Given this troll’s acumen -or lack thereof, please make sure to carefully explain to him what “uppity”, “email”, “question”, and “like” mean.
Also make sure to type slowly for him. He might not be able to follow you too well otherwise.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:17 pmGiuliani did not focus or allocate resources in Iowa, NH, SC or Michigan. He was not beaten in those states. He was not even playing.
Comment by Exley — January 22, 2008 @ 9:02 pm
Nice try. He spent so much in NH his staff has forgone their salary. He was on the ballot in all those states and averaged about 5% of the vote. Beaten is won, up is down, I am here to help you.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:19 pmAlso make sure to type slowly for him. He might not be able to follow you too well otherwise.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — January 22, 2008 @ 9:17 pm
Noted. ;)
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:21 pmFred wasn’t beaten yesterday. Today Fred’s dead. Any questions?
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:22 pmShort Exley:
“Trying is the first step towards failure.”
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:22 pmDo you ever get the feeling the Chirs lives in his own little world?
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:25 pmTweety is still on holding on to the dead weight Rudy. LOL!
Rudy + Florida = hosed.
Tweety is still pissed off at Hillary for clipping his wings in NH primary and NV caucus. And now he turns to cross-dresser Rudy.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:25 pmReminds me of the Monty Python skit, “Upper Class Twit of the Year”, where the announcer says of one twit, “He doesn’t know when he’s beaten! He doesn’t know when he’s winning, either! He has no sort of sensory apparatus whatsoever!”
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:26 pmI really don’t want Hillary to win(rather Edwards or Obama). However, to watch tweety and timy implode would be worth having her win.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:30 pmSomeone who has made the statement that giuliani hasn’t been beaten yet, a patently false and ridiculous statement. you’re trying to deflect the weakness of your candidates, but you’re not in freeperville, where they’ll buy any such nonsense. and we will keep pushing back against your weak, cheap propaganda. count on it
if it’s so patently false that giuliani has not yet been beaten, then it is also patently false that kucinich has not yet been beaten.
i was just seeking comment from the staff, and commenters, of a “progressive” web site, for whom kucinich probably receives a lot of support, at least theoretically.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:30 pmthe weakness of my candidates?
“my” candidates don’t exist, in either party.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:31 pmAlso make sure to type slowly for him. He might not be able to follow you too well otherwise.
so far, i’m the only one open to debate, and not hurling insults.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:32 pmRudy’s going to keep running to make sure the greed and corruption of the GOP continues.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:33 pmRudy’s going to keep running to make sure the greed and corruption of the GOP continues.
Comment by jb — January 22, 2008 @ 9:33 pm
He’s standing up for his principles.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:37 pmso far, i’m the only one open to debate, and not hurling insults.
Comment by darladoon — January 22, 2008 @ 9:32 pm
O.K. I say any person who receives less than 6% of the votes in each primary they were in has been beaten- and you say?
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:38 pmrudy might need only florida – the vote counting machines down there spit out funny numbers for certain people – has rudy been getting cosy with jeb in the month or so that he has been there?
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:39 pmThe “librul” media is still pushing which “beaten” candidate?
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:39 pmO.K. I say any person who receives less than 6% of the votes in each primary they were in has been beaten- and you say?
i say any person, from either party, who receives less than 6% of the votes in each primiary……..has so far been beaten.
thus, kucinich has so far been beaten. in fact, the msm has all but declared edwards unbeaten, and he’s getting more than 15% in many cases.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:41 pmPercentages don’t really matter…its the delegates and I see a lot less coverage of the number of delegates each candidate has won. Anybody have a tally of the delegates so far?
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:45 pmi say any person, from either party, who receives less than 6% of the votes in each primiary……..has so far been beaten.
thus, kucinich has so far been beaten. in fact, the msm has all but declared edwards unbeaten, and he’s getting more than 15% in many cases.
Comment by darladoon — January 22, 2008 @ 9:41 pm
Pay attention. The link above is a clip where Matthews makes the statement that Giuliani has not yet been beaten. I didn’t hear him utter the same about Kucinich. I haven’t heard anyone say that. Have you? If so post a link so we can read it. What you’re saying is that you assume that readers here, or TP, feels that Kucinich still has support. That’s a far cry from stating that he’s still capable of winning. Surely you see the difference. I don’t doubt that Ghouliani has supporters, just not enough so far to be considered a contender. So your comments re: Kucinich are irrelevant to the discussion of Matthews. You get it?
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:48 pmComment by darladoon — January 22, 2008 @ 9:41 pm
Reality says that Hillary, Obama, McCain and Romney are not beaten and that Edwards and Huckabee both have an outside chance. All others have been beaten. This says nothing bad about those that have lost-they just never gained traction.
What is your point anyway?
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:51 pmThat’s a far cry from stating that he’s still capable of winning.
matthews made no such claim; he said, “hasn’t been beaten.” and the TP staff immediately knee-jerked and stomped all over matthews claim.
so i ask, if you’re willing to stomp matthews’s fair, and substantiated, claim, then are you willing to stomp all over my claim that kucinich “hasn’t been beaten?”
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:55 pmhttp://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/
Anybody have a tally of the delegates so far?
Comment by jb — January 22, 2008 @ 9:45 pm
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:55 pmSurely you see the difference. I don’t doubt that Ghouliani has supporters, just not enough so far to be considered a contender. So your comments re: Kucinich are irrelevant to the discussion of Matthews. You get it?
my claims may be ancillary, but certainly not invalid.
I don’t doubt that Ghouliani has supporters, just not enough so far to be considered a contender
so, are you willing to substitute kucinich for giuliani, and really show some courage?
if you don’t, then you are, by default, validating matthews’s argument.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:58 pmComment by Joefriday — January 22, 2008 @ 9:55 pm
Thanks Joe. Very informative with no Tweety spin. Law and Order Freddie has more delegates the 911 Julie and he dropped out today.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:02 pmYou missed tied for fourth in Wyoming with ZERO.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:05 pmI would venture to say the Kucinich has different set of goals than Rudy. I think Kucinich is willing to stay in a losing race to make sure his ideas are represented in the party. Rudy seems to be a little short of ideas as well as votes and his only goal was winning the nomination.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:06 pmKucinich ran in spite of the media labeling him unelectable. Rudy ran because the media, like Matthews, thought he was electable.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:10 pmso, are you willing to substitute kucinich for giuliani, and really show some courage?
if you don’t, then you are, by default, validating matthews’s argument.
Comment by darladoon — January 22, 2008 @ 9:58 pm
Not sure what you’re going for here. Of course I’d be willing to say that IMO Kucinich has been beaten. He hasn’t a chance. He’s hanging on so he can attempt to formulate policy for the others and to get some face time. But he surely has been beaten.
Matthews isn’t necessarily saying that Giuliani will win but by saying he hasn’t been beaten of course he’s saying he has a chance to win. What else could he mean? Anyone who hasn’t been beaten has a chance to win don’t they? Otherwise what’s the point of the distinction of “being beaten”? You do understand the concept of winning & losing don’t you?
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:11 pmDarllingdoom, the point is that matthews is claiming that rudy hasn’t been beaten when he has been beaten. repeatedly. worse than a troll’s dick. If you want to argue fabricated irrelevancies, let’s argue who would win in a fight between Aquaman and Spiderman. I say Aquaman: he has all the creatures of the deep at his beck and call, and he can swim really fast…
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:18 pmIt’s very cute that darlaloon equates herself with Matthews. no inflated ego here.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:20 pmBut Chris Matthews claims that the Penguin hasn’t been beaten.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:22 pmDarla wonders why TP hasn’t stated that Spongebob is beaten.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:24 pmI guess ron paul hasn’t been beaten yet…neither has lyndon larouche, or stephen colbert. or captain crunch, or jesus, or my next door neighbor who’s running on the make puerto rico the 51st state ticket.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:28 pmre 76: but in the debate last night Squidwerd accused spongebob of having an inappropriate relationship with patrick…. things got a little testy there for a while.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:29 pmGiuliani did spend money and time in other states,but was beaten…He spent 2 million dollars woth of ads in NH and campained heavily..he just gives excuses for his defeat…
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:31 pmI support the right of talking sponges to marry starfish. Squidwerd can blow it out the other end.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:32 pmIt’s just projection on Squidwerd’s part, he said spongebob was a dirty nasty dirty sponge.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:41 pmcome on Darlingdoom stand up for spiderman, he swings from a web and catches crooks, just like flies.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:43 pmand he has a bad comb-over, just like rudi
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:44 pmSquidwerd is so repressed he probably has to get his fun in the Public Squid’s Room. I hear he has a very wide stance.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:45 pmand he has a bad comb-over, just like rudi
Comment by Bobwurst — January 22, 2008 @ 10:44 pm
They could be related.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:46 pmSorry, but tweety is making a semi-valid point. JulieAnnie is running tied or ahead in several of the big states in SuperTuesday, NJ, NY and CA.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:47 pmLet’s wait and see.
Let’s wait and see.
Comment by RUCerious — January 22, 2008 @ 10:47 pm
You are probably right. Who else do the Repubs have to choose from? All seem to be very weak candidates, but I thought that about W as well.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 pmIf Mathews wasn’t on MSNBC Keith most likely would have him on his worst persons list every time he opened his mouth.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:59 pmBarack Obama 242 John McCain 289 on http://www.electoral-vote.com/
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:03 pmThis site has been reliable in the past… maybe we should take a good look at Edwards.
darladoon:
We apologize for the so called poster named Zooey aka. Maude.
She has a problem minding her own business. She thinks that she is some kind of moderator here, but she is not – the staff ignore her constant whining.
∞
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:19 pmTweety is right, he hasn’t won a damn thing yet. I just checked the polls again, and JulieAnnie has slipped a lot in CA. Still strong on the NE seaboard, but he’s trailing McCranefly in NJ 32/29. He seems to alienate more voters every 9/11 time he opens his mouth.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:26 pm#87 Comment by jb — January 22, 2008 @ 10:51 pm
…but I thought that about W as well.
Yes, but that was in the days of people basking in the Clinton surplus and tabloid exposes of his foibles. Naive days, then. Today the public is quite awake from the devastating BushCo juggernaut over the last 7 years. The political climate is completely changed.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:28 pmComment by darladoon — January 22, 2008 @ 9:32 pm
To be able to debate, you must be able to focus. Your constant off-topic whine about Kucinich demonstrates you are not here to debate but to obfuscate.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:30 pmI seriously doubt that Tweety gives a damn about any of the nonsense that he spews. He’s merely doing the dirty work for his corporate paymasters who have important business to be performed at the FCC deregulating media ownership regulations. As a corporation, they have a vested interest in the political fortunes of the Republican party and its pro-corporate, anti-worker, anti-public commons, deregulatory ideology. Olbermann is a fluke who became too successful for MSNBC to shut down. Tweety is their PR spin machine. Clearly, Ghooliani has a deal with the Corporate Media to pursue their interests by appointing corporate lackeys like Kevin Martin to the FCC. If Democrats win the presidential elections in ‘08 it would mean a rough ride for deregulating our highly valuable public property, the broadcast spectrum, and turning it over wholesale to corporate interests.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:32 pmChris got paid to push Rudy as his heart is broken by Fred leaving the race. Chris will do and say anything for money even as you see he makes a fool of himself. Lying and propaganda is what Chris gets paid to do.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:33 pmWith each passing day I become more convinced that the MSM uses the same criteria, for advancement, as Bushco. Just kiss neocon a$$ and don’t look smarter than Chimpy; the sky’s the limit.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:33 pm∞
Comment by alphainfinityomega — January 22, 2008 @ 11:19 pm
speaking of minding everybody else’s business, here is the new idiot.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:34 pmIf you have any questions about why the Corporate Media consistently favors Republicans over Democrats, and corporate Republicans like Ghooliani over Elmer Gantry populists like Huckabee, watch this report. It tells you all you need to know about why our media is so screwed up and biased.
http://www.therealnews.com/web/index.php?thisdataswitch=0&thisid=539&thisview=item
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:36 pm#90 Comment by alphainfinityomega — January 22, 2008 @ 11:19 pm
We apologize for the so called poster named Zooey aka. Maude.
What’s this “we” crap? Are you afraid to speak for yourself? You sure don’t speak for very many here on this board. So stop hiding in a non existent crowd to avoid taking responsibility for your own words.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:40 pmThe political climate is completely changed.
Comment by Merlin — January 22, 2008 @ 11:28 pm
It seems to me that a vote for any of the GOP would be a vote for more of the $hit we’ve had to endure for the last 7 years. Even though some of the Dem candidates fail to meet my ideal expectations, I must admit that I would vote for a steaming pile of dog crap before I’d vote for any of the GOP.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:47 pmyou’ll be wrong as usual!
Comment by John Kerry — January 22, 2008 @ 11:55 pm
Speaking of steaming piles.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:58 pmNo doubt you’ll be wrong as usual!
Comment by John Kerry — January 22, 2008 @ 11:55 pm
Sort of like the way are we were wrong about woman’s rights, education, the environment, healthcare, immigration, gay marriage, and going to the moon?
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:04 amGet the “are” out of there
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:06 amComment by alphainfinityomega — January 22, 2008 @ 11:19 pm
Who’s “we?” Got a hemorrhoid?
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:26 amWho’s “we?†Got a hemorrhoid?
Comment by Zooey — January 23, 2008 @ 12:26 am
(tube)sockpuppets
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:57 amRudy is well behind Ron Paul, and he gets no party support and lots of skepticism from the old established types.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:30 amOh really! Let’s see what happens libbies!! No doubt you’ll be wrong as usual!
Comment by John Kerry — January 22, 2008 @ 11:55 pm
Your most irrelevant posting yet, Nary-John-Kerry.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:26 am.
The DRAG QUEEN of 9/11 was never won!
Oh Timmeh, please do tell… is it diamonds or pearls?
.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:30 amAttention Lefty Patriot and Wayne :
I’m Zooey’s sizable ass;
Please, if you would, remove your collective noses.
But do it slowly, since they are soooo deeply wedged.
Zooey’s sizable ass.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:37 amWARMONGERS GONE WILD
Stopping Iran
Why the case for military action still stands.
By NORMAN PODHORETZ
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120103739264407641.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
January 23rd, 2008 at 5:15 am#111, Plunger,
And Podhoretz, a well known Zionist Neocon with big lust for wars against Moslems and Arabs,who is calling for another bloody world war is now the chief foreign policy adviser and the brain of Mr. Giuliani.
It is sad that Wall Street allow themselves to be prostituted by a war monger like Podhoretz ; allowing him to write in their journal.
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:42 amDisclaimer: Joining this discussion late.
Could it be — and I hesitate giving Mr. Matthews the benefit of the doubt — but could it be he meant that we’ll have to see the results of Rudy’s stratergee before burying the body?
I think I”d kinda like Rudy stickin’ around for the final Jeopardy round:
“Alex, what is 9/11?”
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:06 am#133…..For..Truth,
You mean you like Giuliani to be ‘Tested’, as he always claims.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:21 amBut if Rudy loses all his marbles on Florida gamble, then he can add
-Tested…but Failed..-
For well over a year Mathews has had wet dreams of groveling at Rudy’s fascist feet and licking the dog poop and dust off of Rudy’s shoes. Mathews likely entertained the thought of being Rudy’s press secretary during Mr. 9/11’s – more corrupt than bu$h’s admin. The connections, the power, the wealth – it is so intoxicating.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:29 amAnd here we all are talking about Chris Matthews again. Hasn’t anyone figured out that this is exactly why he does this shit? The more his face appears on these blogs the more he benefits from it.
Give it a rest. Who cares what Matthews says. He is a deliberate buffoon. And it is working for him.
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:11 amI wish the Republicans would stop wasting everybody’s time by even putting anyone up for President in 2008. We all know it’s gonna be Hillary.
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:21 amComment by alphainfinityomega — January 23, 2008 @ 2:37 am
Try getting over your Zooey fixation, Alpo
Your stalking behavior is fairly pathetic.
So, why is zoo such a threat to you tiny manhood anyway?
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:13 amInteresting note in the New York Times yesterday regarding the “character” of Rudy Giuliani. He really is an arrogant, selfish, bullying little person. The transparency is really being noticed and reported in the news. Even NPR had a nice piece on him.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:32 amCould it be — and I hesitate giving Mr. Matthews the benefit of the doubt — but could it be he meant that we’ll have to see the results of Rudy’s stratergee before burying the body?
Comment by For Truth — January 23, 2008 @ 7:06 am
Exactly. The Matthews comment was simply saying “some people” aren’t counting Giuliani out of the race because he hasn’t been beaten in a state in which he has had a major presence. Seriously, there are enough real reasons to criticize Matthews without inventing them. ;)
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:36 amRudy is corporate America’s pick; no doubt about that. He’s already joined at the hip with NormPod, the Neocon King Turd, and would bomb Iran quicker than he can say 9/11.
Does he have enough money to buy the election? Florida will be a good litmus test. He’s been whoring himself to Repuke Floridians for two months now, and spent several million dollars doing it.
IMHO, Rudy is more dangerous than Bush, and smarter. If you think Bush wired America to listen in, you better be on guard for Rudy. He’ll make J. Edgar Hoover look like a girl scout.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:16 amOnly Diebold can save Giuliani now. Maybe he isn’t dropping out because he knows that votes will be his way that were actually cast for other candidates.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:16 amTo be able to debate, you must be able to focus. Your constant off-topic whine about Kucinich demonstrates you are not here to debate but to obfuscate.
surely this person must be joking. my argument is wholly relevant to the topic, as well as to the broader function of this website.
i didn’t see you make this point at those arguing over spiderman and aquaman. somehow kucinich is less relevant?
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:29 amyou’re just upset that someone is actually CHALLENGING the ideology of TP and TP followers.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:30 amWasn’t one adulterous, divorced President (Reagan), enough?
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:47 amdarladoon:
Please pay attention here.
Chris Matthews has advanced the idea that Mayor Giuliani remains a viable candidate “…just because Giuliani hasn’t been beaten yet.” This claim is demonstrably false. As noted, Giuliani has been repeatedly ‘crushed’ where his name appeared on a ballot or was offered up as a caucus candidate.
Chris Matthews has made NO equivalent claim whatsoever regarding the viability of Representative Kucinich.
You cannot reasonably introduce a comparative narrative regarding these two candidates and not expect to be slapped silly. You’re illogical and irrelevant attempt to divert attention from the slothful, shoddy and deeply biased observations attributed to Chris Matthews is, on its face, ridiculous.
Where were you when they offered that introductory logic class, anyway?
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:26 amComment by darladoon — January 23, 2008 @ 10:30 am
Are you this dense naturally or do you have to work at it?
For a careful explanation of the issue (for the umpteenth time), see Michael Lafferty’s post @ 11:26
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:32 pm