Iraq vets claim war crimes were ‘encouraged.’
By on Jan 22nd, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Iraq vets claim war crimes were ‘encouraged.’
On Saturday, members of Iraq Veterans Against the War spoke at an event in Watertown, NY, and charged that their unit commanders encouraged them to commit war crimes:
“The killing of innocent civilians is policy,” said veteran Mike Blake. “It’s unit policy and it’s Army policy. It’s not official policy, but it’s what’s happens on the ground everyday. It’s what unit commanders individually encourage.”
Veteran Matt Howard concurred: “These decisions are coming from the top down,” Howard said. “The tactics that we use, the policies that the military engages, will create situations, create dynamics, create — ultimately — atrocity.”
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Swiftboating of these vets to commence in 4, 3, 2, 1….
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:31 pmApparently the secret to winning hearts and minds is aiming for the chest and head.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:33 pmRevival of the old “kill them all and let God sort them out.”
Apocalypse Again
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:33 pmYeah Dixie Dude, you’d know better since you’ve had, what 0 tours in Iraq?
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:33 pmOh, god. That’s disgusting.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:34 pmSouthern Ass; Ever hear of Me Lai? Haditha? You are the one full of BS.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:34 pmThis is exactly the same behavior we witnessed in Nam when a unit commander, after losing troops in battle, would just make every hamlet a free fire zone, and sort it out later.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:35 pmto what end? what’s to be gained from this?
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:38 pmHave to kill them all so they do not get in the way of the PNAC plan and the profits of the corporate powers that be. Iraqi freedom? Liberate the Iraqi people? Is America now waking up to the truth of the genocidal murderous intentions of the Bush Crime Family, corporate powers that be and neocons?
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:43 pmConsider the source:
Comment by good_golly — January 22, 2008 @ 3:41 pm
Took you long enough, eh? That was almost ten minutes. Surely you’ll have to do better if you want to earn the RNC Troll Merit Badge.
Better luck next time, kid.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:44 pmIt’s a direct follow on from the U.S. policy of launching air/artillery strikes against suspected terrorists in family dwellings. It’s cowardice of the highest order and it “trickles down” from the top.
Bushco has made the U.S. a criminal nation and our grandkids will suffer for it.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:44 pmYa know, when I first read this, I was wondering how long before someone would claim lies, or falsehoods, or attack these soldiers as “phony”.
The answer?
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:45 pm2 minutes, as per Southern(Comfort) Man’s post.
No argument, no questioning, no refuting of facts…just a 2 letter post.
Typical.
It’s the old, “They don’t have uniforms, therefore anyone of them could be the enemy, so shoot them all.”
Yes, the Iraqi war vet I took in for a year said the same thing.
Buck Fush
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:46 pm#9 To what end? Well Bush & Cheney are both liar, took us into an illegal war, torture. We can not afford to be in Iraq. They want to attack Iran. We need to bring our troops home. The USA is so far in debt and on, on & on.
Got it now.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:50 pmOh sure!!!
You libs keep trying nut sorry Iraq is not a factor in the elections!!
What year are you living in?
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:51 pmI do believe they were coached by the Veterans who support an initiative to sell out and give up. What happened to loyalty and honor.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2008 @ 3:43 pm
Daryll, just a word of advice: rhetorical questions like “What happened to loyalty and honor.” are generally more powerful when following a statement of fact, rather than a statement of belief about the facts. Especially if that belief is based on no presented evidence.
Oh, and they’re usually more meaningful when followed by a question mark.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:52 pmOh sure!!!
You libs keep trying nut sorry Iraq is not a factor in the elections!!
What year are you living in?
Comment by John Kerry — January 22, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
Not sure. What language are you communicating in?
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:53 pmOh sure!!!
You libs keep trying nut sorry Iraq is not a factor in the elections!!
Comment by John Kerry is a true American Hero! (I am not) — January 22, 2008 @ 3:51
Dude…..
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:53 pmThis is your brain.
This is your brain snorting the NeoCon Kool-aid.
Any questions?
What happened to loyalty and honor.
Comment by Daryll
Good question Daryll, you are certainly devoid of those two qualities, otherwise you would be respecting those who fought for you, even if you disagree with them. It’s not like you would go and fight for your country, you’re too busy taking sex tours to 3rd world countries.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:53 pmOn a related topic, here’s a story about the latest round of air strikes.
http://www.afp.com/ english/ news/ stories/ 080121173646.cf7buek1.html
Here’s an excerpt:
The strikes were carried out during the night in a bid to avoid civilian casualties.
“Since the locals adhere to a strict night curfew, this makes a night mission more safe and effective,” the statement said.
Now, wouldn’t it also follow that any innocents in the area, especially children, would be asleep in the bombed buildings? How can these evil idiots continually justify the murder of suspected criminals and anyone near them? It makes me want to puke, and/or, wring a few necks.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:55 pmEasy, there, Bobwurst. Daryll was saving souls.
He told prositutes to quit prostitutin’ and gays to quit gayin’. Yessir. Savin’ souls, I say.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:55 pmOh sure!!!
You libs keep trying nut sorry Iraq is not a factor in the elections!!
What year are you living in?
Comment by John Kerry
Ask the nurse to adjust your meds dude…
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:55 pmEasy, there, Bobwurst. Daryll was saving souls.
He told prositutes to quit prostitutin’ and gays to quit gayin’. Yessir. Savin’ souls, I say.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama
he was just swallowing the holy sacrement, the ted haggert way.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:57 pm” I don’t believe it.”
Daryll, how dare you challenge combat veterans verity!
Go crawl back into your bible.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:58 pmComment by ralph the wonder llama — January 22, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
Daryll of Parodyll is not here to engage in friendly debate.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:58 pmDaryll is here to disrupt with as many contradicting posts as possible.
Unfortunately, I believe he gets a sort of perverse satisfaction on the number of responses.
I too used to “engage” Parodyll, until he posted many months back that his dad has the head of a 24 pound deer mounted in his basement.
That’s when I knew we were dealing with either a “planted antagonist”, or just a self-pleasuring troll who seeks some sort of connection with the outside world, albeit negative.
No argument, no questioning, no refuting of facts…just a 2 letter post.
Typical.
Comment by DRxJ — January 22, 2008 @ 3:45 pm
You fail to give Neanderthal Man credit for the three exclamation points.
Isn’t it interesting how the trolls are subdued all day until they get a chance to cheer some war crimes? Disgusting how they flock here to do it.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:59 pmThis is why going to war should be avoided at all costs. Atrocities just come with the package.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:00 pmDaryll for president, he’s a straight shooter!
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:04 pmWe are there to instill democracy into the Iraqi Government, and we will not leave until the job is done.
Instill democracy? Do you even comprehend the incongruity of that statement? Democracy must come from within, from a culture of negotiated political power. That does not exist in Mesopotamian culture.
Go crawl back into your bible.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:05 pmJust to give the other side of good goony’s link regarding Mike Blake:
Micheal contacted a few members before leaving to Texas to attend Tim’s funeral and we all suggested he not wear any his DCu jacket and just go as a comrade of Tim’s. Out of the three IVAW members that went were another veteran that knew Tim and a local member that came for support.
Micheal was not allowed in and became emotional. When he refers to lying for a lie I believe he means the lies about WMD and links to 9/11 in Iraq. Which, were lies.
After the incident Mike apologized for his conduct and I personally contacted Tim’s family and apologized to them. They were very kind and understanding.
Micheal is dealing with his war experience and the loss of his friend. Despite the fact that Mike made a poor decision to attend Tim’s funeral in his DCU top, I don’t turn my back on my brothers when they are in error. I tell them they did wrong and help them up off the ground.
Mike is a good soul and I am proud to have him as a member and a friend.
IVAW does not support the protest of funerals.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:05 pmGarett Reppenhagen | Homepage | 04.20.07 - 1:34 am | #
Are these the phony soldiers or the real ones? LOL.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:05 pmWe are there to instill democracy into the Iraqi Government, and we will not leave until the job is done.
Comment by Daryll
Liar. According to your fellow christohypocrite, georgie, we are in iraq because Saddam presented a clear and looming danger because of all the wmd he had, except that he didn’t have any wmd and we’re there because of republican lies. And did you enjoy your sex tour in Rio? Did you hide in the closet and watch your wife and the good reverand soil your sheets?
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:05 pmYes, he has the head of a fawn on his basement wall. I see nothing wrong with it.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2008 @ 4:04 pm
Right next to the squirrel nuts.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:05 pmI have explained that I support our Government in a DoD contracting capacity numerous times. Loyal soldiers do not lie to bolster the votes of Democratic Candidates nor do they lie to expedite the exit of their fellow soldiers. We are there to instill democracy into the Iraqi Government, and we will not leave until the job is done.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2008 @ 4:01 pm
Yes, Daryll. You have explained how you are profiting from the war, many times.
What evidence do you have that these soldiers have lied?
How exactly do you expect we will be able to “instill democracy into the Iraqi government” at the point of a gun, when such a feat has never been satisfactorily accomplished in the history of the world?
(Oh, and DRxJ, I know Daryll is worthless in terms of advancing any argument or thoughtful contribution. It’s just fun to play Whack-A-Trollâ„¢ every now and then.)
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:06 pmIt’s just fun to play Whack-A-Troll™ every now and then.)
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — January 22, 2008 @ 4:06 pm
I thnk of more as ‘piss on a troll’…
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:07 pmWe are there to instill democracy into the Iraqi Government, and we will not leave until the job is done.
Comment by Daryll — January 22, 2008 @ 4:01 pm
The job is done. The Iraqi Government is crippled by gridlock, partisan sniping, and sheer incompetence. Sounds to me like we’ve exported American-style democracy lock, stock, and barrel.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:08 pmI thnk of more as ‘piss on a troll’…
Comment by RUCerious
Careful now, If Drywall finds out he can get a goldenshower here he may never go on vacation to Rio again…
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:09 pmSouthern Man, go over and find out for yourself, unless you’re just one more chickenhawk coward.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:11 pmSouthern Moron, we’ll get your video for you as soon as you provide evidence your wife isn’t humping the carpet cleaner while you’re at work.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:15 pmInteresting how rightwingers like Southern Woman demand all kinds of proof when the accusations fly their way.
As soon as any troops come back here or if they criticize then we’re not supposed to take their word for it.
I will take your demands for proof and stick them where all of our demands for proof have been deposited for the last 7 years - the circular file.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:16 pmWe have HARD WOOD floors.
Comment by Southern(Comfort) Man — January 22, 2008 @ 4:17 p
Trust us, WE KNOW!!! ;-)
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:19 pmSouthern Man, go over and find out for yourself, unless you’re just one more chickenhawk coward.
Comment by Bobwurst — January 22, 2008 @ 4:11 pm
And as usual, proof.
Comment by Southern Man
The proof lies in the fact that you are for a war you are unwilling to fight. You cheerlead for the death and destruction of others. That makes you a chickenhawk and a coward. And the fact that you are unable to understand that makes you an idiot.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:19 pmLeftyt, I think you misunderstand Southern Mammal.
He simply forgot to type “100″ before “proof”. He was referring to his lunch.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:19 pmChickenshithawk
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:20 pmSouthern Moron, we’ll get your video for you as soon as you provide evidence your wife isn’t humping the carpet cleaner while you’re at work.
Comment by RUCerious — January 22, 2008 @ 4:15 pm
We have HARD WOOD floors.
Comment by Southern Man
And you never wondered why your wife needs to run the vacum cleaner for three hours a day? You’re an appliance cockcold dude.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:20 pmRe 54: that should be “cuckold” paging Dr. Freud…
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:22 pmunless you’re just one more chickenhawk coward.
Comment by Bobwurst — January 22, 2008 @ 4:11 pm
Hammer meet nail.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:22 pmAl-Jazzera would be all over this if it were true.
Comment by Southern Man — January 22, 2008 @ 4:09 pm
What’s Al-Jazzera? A smooth jazz radio station based in Cairo?
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:23 pmI think Southern Man is just another Republican Fluffer
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:24 pmAl-Jazzera would be all over this if it were true.
Comment by Southern Man
You know it’s getting desperate when the wingnuts start holding up Al_Jazzera as a reputible source of information. If Al-Jazzera was talking about this, Sadlittle Man would dismiss it as propaganda.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:25 pmYou see, you can’t count Abdul killing his eight children with a hammer a civilian death caused by the coalition.
Sadlittle Man,
Where’s your proof this happened?
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:27 pmYEAH I want to see some video proof!
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:28 pmWe have HARD WOOD floors.
Comment by Southern Man — January 22, 2008 @ 4:17 pm
It’s hardwood, not hard wood, idiot.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:29 pmRe 54: that should be “cuckold†paging Dr. Freud…
Comment by Bobwurst — January 22, 2008 @ 4:22 pm
I figured you would be the one to know what “cuckold†means.
Comment by Southern Man
Yup, taught your wife a new word.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:30 pmSouthern Man has hard wood for bush
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:30 pmWe have HARD WOOD floors.
Comment by Southern Man — January 22, 2008 @ 4:17 pm
It’s hardwood, not hard wood, idiot.
Comment by VerbalKint
Southern Man has had “hard wood” in years, that’s why the wife needs the vacum cleaner.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:30 pmPeople, don’t be asking Southern Mammal for proof of his blather or question his demonization of George Soros. Southern Mammal gets confused very easily and we don’t want him getting dizzy and walking into door jambs again, do we?
I mean, it wasn’t THAT much fun.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:31 pm#59 is moral bankruptcy on display. Gee, “ONLY” 100,000 dead because of your guy’s illegal war and incompetence? Talk about moral relativism. Furthermore, half a million is a far more credible number than 100K. And what about the 2 million refugees and 2-3 million internally displace people?
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:31 pmya beat me to the punch lefty.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:31 pmComment by Bobwurst — January 22, 2008 @ 4:22 pm
I figured you would be the one to know what “cuckold†means.
Comment by Southern Man — January 22, 2008 @ 4:28 pm
Yeah, I’d figure that too, since “cuckold” is a word in the English language and Bobwurst has demonstrated some pretty good smarts around here. We expect progressives to be intelligent and to use language effectively.
We expect trolls to be, well, like you.
We’re seldom disappointed on either front.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:33 pmAs long as I am giving lessons to Cro Magnon man, hardwoods are not necessarily harder than softwoods. There are hard softwoods and soft hardwoods. The distinction is based on whether the tree is a conifer or broad-leaved. Hopefully the confusion this induces will cause your circuits to lock up, thereby preventing more stupid and offensive posts.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:35 pmWhere’s your proof this happened?
Comment by Bobwurst — January 22, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
Would it suprise you if it did happen? If so, all the proof in the world would only prove that you are an idiot.
Comment by Southern Man
In other words, you made it up, but since it fits your narrative frame it must be true. “Like they hate us for our freedoms” “We’re fighting them there so we don’t have to fight them here” and “Mission Accomplished” are all “true”a because the idiotking said they’re true. Typical republican’t.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:38 pmWould it suprise you if it did happen? If so, all the proof in the world would only prove that you are an idiot.
Comment by Southern Man — January 22, 2008 @ 4:35 pm
Ah, the tried-and-true wingnut screen pass: imagine a hypothetical, then criticize liberals on the basis of that hypothetical being true.
Awesome, Southern Mammal. You sure do know your playbook.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:38 pmre 73:
What about the Larch?
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:39 pmThanks for the kind words earlier Ralph, and back at ya.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:41 pmThe topic is Iraq. So far, my wife, who has breast cancer,
Southern Man,
Quit hiding behind your wife. Things digressed to this point because you refuse to play by your own rules. Crybaby. And for the record, even though this is off topic, I hope your wife’s cancer goes into remission. Does she have decent health care?
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:45 pmthink Bob would give Ralph the benefit of a reach around. Kind words get you in the back door Ralph.
Comment by Southern Man
Speaking of “sad that is is all you got”..
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:46 pmAgain and again I will point out that it is an absurd waste of time responding to anything the southern moron posts. He has no cogent arguments, no historical perspective, no brains and no point except to provoke anger.
As far as the discussion is concerned, this has all happened before. In the early 70’s, the Winter Soldier Conference featured antiwar veterans testifying regarding atrocities committed by our troops in Viet Nam. In many cases, soldiers testified that they were actually encouraged to commit atrocities by higher ups. It was then, and is today, part of a strategy of terror - terror designed to force compliance with American military force. This is in no way meant to even blame the soldiers themselves. As in Viet Nam, they are cogs in a military machine, they are put into an untenable position and literally driven crazy. The only ones who aren’t driven crazy are the sociopaths who joined to kill in the first place. And, as before, pretending that this isn’t going on does a profound disservice to our country. As before, the authoritarian personalities who absolutely need to believe that authority is legitimate will smear the veterans with the courage to rise above the fray and speak up. You can see it right here. They simply refuse to believe.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:47 pmThis is your typical left nut story that we’ve all seen for years now but it’s way too late for you libs because, no matter what ridiculous comments you all make, the elections will NOT be won based on Iraq. Now that even most of the lib media has toa dmit that the surge is working there is no way Iraq will be a factor in you winning but in fact MAY JUST BE a factor in you LOSING this year.
It is sickening to read all of the left wing absurd view on the war.First and foremost your goal is to gain power and win the 2008 election. Pure and simple. That’s your prize. You DO NOT give a damn about our soldiers fighting for freedom and democracy in the region and you couldn’t care less how many are killed. In fact, you actually LOVE it when there are deaths because this makes great news and the Dem media loves to use it to make George Bush look bad. This is a high for you. But what you’re not telling people and admitting is that, to achieve your intended orgasmic high, the war in Iraq MUST end in defeat and the soldiers MUST cowardly come home. George Bush is a hero and there will be eight more years of Conservative leadership in the U.S.
So you can spout off all this utter bullshit about how you care about the troops but that’s all it is…BULLSHIT! Libs are nothing but DEFEAT and RETREAT cowards who are not concerned with our soldiers’ well being!
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:50 pmI think Bob would give Ralph the benefit of a reach around. Kind words get you in the back door Ralph.
Comment by Southern Man — January 22, 2008 @ 4:44 pm
Southern Idiot and his typical and expected reich-wing homosexual postings.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:50 pmYou’re right, Colonel. Toying with Southern Mammal is a bit like trying to smack a badminton birdie out of the ballpark. It’s easy to really lay into it, but because it’s so lightweight, it’s just not gonna absorb much of the pounding and will float obliviously to the grass.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:51 pmThank you Col. If anyone wants to read some chilling stories about this, find “Bloods….” It’s a collection of war narratives from African American soldiers from the Vietnam war. The soldiers cover all the services and ranks, and offer a wide range of experiences. Many talk about the callous, offhand way the civilians were treated.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:52 pmI can’t think of anything more dispicable than encouraging our troops to behave like war criminals.
The people running America and Israel today are truly the raw sewage of the earth.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:53 pmThis is your typical left nut story that we’ve all seen for years now but it’s way too late for you libs because, no matter what ridiculous comments you all make, the elections will NOT be won based on Iraq.
Comment by John Kerry — January 22, 2008 @ 4:50 pm
You’re probably right. The elections will probably be won based on the economy.
Feel better now?
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:53 pmPhony John Kerry: “It is sickening to read all of the left wing absurd view on the war.First and foremost your goal is to gain power and win the 2008 election.”
Memo to you: Democrats are going to take the Whitehouse and supermajorities in both houses of congress regardless of this debate.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:54 pmSo you can spout off all this utter bullshit about how you care about the troops but that’s all it is…BULLSHIT! Libs are nothing but DEFEAT and RETREAT cowards who are not concerned with our soldiers’ well being!
John Kerry
Says the conservofacist who wants to keep the troops in harm’s way indefinetly, in harm’s way undermanned, and in harm’s way under armed. Well done projection king.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:56 pmTell it to someone else.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 pmComment by Southern Ma
in that case, bite me whitetrash. Mentioning her breast cancer is hiding behind her. Just like you hide behind the troops, and like hide behind the people who died on 9-11.
Wow, John Scary sure is stupid. What a propaganda tool. He sure doesn’t know jackshit about much of anything.
Buck Fush
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 pmIn fact, you actually LOVE it when there are deaths because this makes great news and the Dem media loves to use it to make George Bush look bad.
John Kerry is one stupid person! WOW
John, let me try your method of thinking, here goes: John Kerry loves war talk from his leaders. In fact, he gets all hot and sweaty listening to Bolton and can’t watch Faux anymore for fear unnatural sustained erection.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 pmThe only thing libs learned from Vietnam was to respect the soldiers coming home from Iraq.
Too bad you neocons didn’t learn this! How many Iraq vets have mental problems now? Hint: Not zero and 1 is too many!
The trolls these days are just plain stupid.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:02 pmWe have HARD WOOD floors.
Comment by Southern Man — January 22, 2008 @ 4:17 pm
At least there’s some hard wood in the house.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:03 pmThe Iraq War and the Vietnam War are different in every way imaginable.
Sadlittle Man
Sooo, we’re not supporting a puppet govenment? Our soldiers are not fighting an enemy that looks like the civilian population at large? the war is not being waged on phoney claims of spreading democracy or stopping the movement of an evil belief system? The war is not going on despite a majority of our country being against it? The children of the elites are fighting in this war? How exactly is this war different from vietnam?
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:05 pmThe children of the elites are fighting in this war? How exactly is this war different from vietnam?
Comment by Bobwurst — January 22, 2008 @ 5:05 pm
Sand.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:06 pm“Col., this is not the Vietnam War. The Iraq War and the Vietnam War are different in every way imaginable.”
Comment by Southern Man
They even sent the troops who guard the unknown soldiers’ grave to fight in Iraq.
When was the last time that happened?
Vietnam.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:09 pmThat same thing was said before the ‘00 and ‘04 election. What are you going to do if you lose The Whithouse? Just wondering?
Comment by Southern Man
Diebold voting machine usage is way down this time. John Mcain is aging three times as fast as normal (ask chuck norris) Rudy 9ui11ianis comb over has fallen out due to stress, Huckabee can’t get elected dog-catcher now, Grampa Fred fell asleep again, and Mitt is running as a CEO: how has that worked out? Face it cracker, you’re over.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:10 pmThe topic is Iraq. So far, my wife, who has breast cancer, uses a vacum to get off, as well as the carpet cleaner. I find it very humorus and sad that this is all you got.
Comment by Southern Man — January 22, 2008 @ 4:41 pm
We’re showing you and your wife the same respect you’re showing the troops that have returned home. Unless they agree with your beliefs they’re lying or traitors. Why do you people only support the troops while they’re fighting for you but as soon as they get home you rejoice in their homelessness and abuse them for speaking up.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:10 pmOIL and the future of the U.S. We’re fighting for oil and the hope of democracy in the Middle East.
Comment by Southern Man — January 22, 2008 @ 5:12 pm
Yes it’s the OIL. Stupid Man is making progress!!! Oh wait, “and the hope of democracy in the Middle East.” LOL That’s only so it will be easier to steal their OIL. That’s right - STEAL. Because IT”S NOT YOUR OIL. Man oh man, one step forward and two steps back!
Stupid, Stupid, Stupid - because it bears repeating.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:16 pmOIL and the future of the U.S. We’re fighting for oil and the hope of democracy in the Middle East.
Comment by Southern Man
We’re fighting for dick cheney’s bank account. And we’re destroying our future in the process. Bush is paying for this war with a credit card. When the bill comes due, and it’s happening even as we speak, our country will suffer.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:17 pm“The Troops” are a cross section of the very same gene pool of this society. Yes most of society are decent enough people, but there is also a sprinkling of pedophiles, school shooters, sadists, torturers and murderers.
So the idea that there are some troops out there who commit acts which are crimes is not unfeasible. The problem is that morons like the trolls on this thread can’t understand anything in the entire universe that does not fit into the black and white unreality that they have invested so much in. They then try to rhetorically force everything into the 2 boxes of good and evil.
When things like this come out it does not mean that ALL troops are doing this and it also does not mean that WE think all troops are doing this. But it also does not fit into your demented fantasy that ALL Americans are the embodiment of saintly goodness.
It’s pretty sad that I have to actually explain this to you but apparently you’re all too busy volunteering as fluffers at FOX News to realize these things.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:17 pmHere’s an op-ed from the Clinton years in which the author refers to “The enduring goodness of the American military character…” plus my response.
It’s pretty much the same argument - we are Good and they are Bad.
http://www.leftopia.blogspot.com/
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:26 pmI am questioning the story. You question every story that states anything positive about the country, so I question this story, not the soldiers.
Comment by Southern Man — January 22, 2008 @ 5:18 pm
Even the craziest mass murderer tries not to get caught. You think orders like this would be given while there was a video camera running in the room? But if there’s not video it didn’t happen. You watch too much television.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:37 pmTop General Janice Karpinski as well as Col. Karen Kwiatkowski stated that the orders came “from above”.
Which means TRAITORS Bush and Cheney.
Who need to be in IRONS at Gitmo until they pass on and go to be with their MASTER Satan.
I will CELEBRATE the day(s) that each one of these MURDERERS goes to his JUDGEMENT by the Almighty God.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:48 pmAnd, Southern Man, that’s exactly why you choose to deny the existence of evil in the current situation - because it frightens you too much.
I believe we see clearer than you, because we are not as afraid as you are.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:49 pmIt is Viet Nam all over again, only with more incompetent leaders and more murderous troops, because of the low levels of idiots stupid enough to enlist to fight for oil profits. they have scraped the bottom of the barrel, as the republicans did in finding Bush and cheney, and they are now enlisting from beneath the barrel, as the republicans are in running Romney and Giuliani and McCain and Huckabee, all perverted, sick, troop-hating psychopaths. There is no doubt that these stories are true, and that there are many more stories hidden from view, like Abu Ghraib was buried and Gitmo is secret. this administration is no better than the soviets and their gulags.
January 22nd, 2008 at 6:00 pmman, gg dumped out fast, didn’t she?
January 22nd, 2008 at 6:08 pmMan, I missed this. The trolls have been getting their butts kicked in every thread lately. Nothing is going thier way….there’s a surprise.
couple of them were real gems:
jk said:
the elections will NOT be won based on Iraq. Now that even most of the lib media has toa dmit that the surge is working there is no way Iraq will be a factor in you winning but in fact MAY JUST BE a factor in you LOSING this year.
hmp….does he think the economy was not effected by this escapade? Does he think the economy will be better by then….? Folks probably won’t vote based on the economy will they.
Then there was this by SM…..his evaluation of the total death count in Iraq:
I tend to be skeptical when the likes of George Soros’ pay for a study to see how many civilians have been killed in Iraq. His study states close to a million. DOD went door to door for their study and estimated that the number was closer to 100,000. You see, you can’t count Abdul killing his eight children with a hammer a civilian death caused by the coalition. There were over 100 million deaths as a result of WWII.
Comment by Southern Man
DOD…..DOD….he uses the DOD as a reliable reference…..gawd…the trolls must be black and blue.
All this on a thread where they are basically calling our veterans traitors. How unAmerican. Why do you guys hate America.
there was oh so much more and if you didn’t read through the thread I reccomend it because it was rich.
Oh and before the trolls try to say libs are wishing for a recession bla, bla, bla…..truth is it was predicted by most of us when bush was appointed….just like it happens every gawd danged time that a repub gets elected….that can’t be coincidence….hoover, ike, nixon, raygun, bush1 and surprise…bush II.
since the trolls are allowed to run free here they should at least be entertaining and boy has the last couple of days been fun….thanks trolls.
January 22nd, 2008 at 6:28 pmWell, you know after Abu Ghraib I was a little skeptic of some kind of policy set in order to punish and torture the Iraqi population.
After Napalm rains over civilians in Vietnam, I was a little skeptic about the real intentions of the sanctity of the Western World.
After chlorine gas and other chemical weapons over German soldiers in WWI, I was a little skeptic about the so called free world.
After Fallujah, I was a little skeptic of the US as an agent of peace…
After DU, I was a little skeptic about US war rules when they come to its own soldiers.
After this revelation, the Blackwater gangrape, the Blackwater immunity…I think I’m still gonna trust the USA.
/is it necessary to put sarc?
January 22nd, 2008 at 6:46 pmLet’s see, if I remember correctly, our guys had a number of challenges in Southeast Asia: undefined mission? check; couldn’t define exactly what would be “victory?” check; couldn’t tell the friendlies from the hostiles? check; couldn’t even begin to understand the language? check; couldn’t define the strategic significance clearly with respect to the safety of the homeland? check; questionable reasons for beginning the conflict? check; the pervasive feeling that their commanders and political leaders were lying to them about how long they’d be there and how they were doing? check; political reasons for conflict based on questionable presumptions? check….
Need I continue? Anyone who doesn’t think this conflict mirrors our disasterous experience in Viet Nam simply doesn’t understand history.
January 22nd, 2008 at 7:14 pmI’m still waiting for one of you warmongers to explain to me how the War in Viet Nam and the occupation of Iraq can share so many of the above characteristics, but at the same time be “completely different.”
January 22nd, 2008 at 7:54 pmI’m still waiting for one of you warmongers to explain to me how the War in Viet Nam and the occupation of Iraq can share so many of the above characteristics, but at the same time be “completely different.â€
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — January 22, 2008 @ 7:54 pm
I’m still waiting for any of them to deliver a coherent sentence that doesn’t include cheering the deaths of American soldiers.
January 22nd, 2008 at 7:58 pmYes, Michael Blake “has a history” as most of us do. I’m his father. He’s the only one in his High School Class to volunteer for the Army. His Army buddy Tim (mentioned above) was a founding member of Iraq Veterans Against the War. They were close. Mike thought Tim would want that fact remembered, that Tim was proud of it. He was honoring the wishes of the dead. Michael came back from a year in Iraq with an honorable discharge and seven citations, all positive. Let any detractors show the same (or better) credentials, otherwise their TALK is CHEAP.
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:04 pm