House conservatives uphold Bush’s SCHIP veto.
By on Jan 23rd, 2008 at 1:10 pm
House conservatives uphold Bush’s SCHIP veto.
Conservatives in the House blocked Congress from expanding children’s health insurance today. The House fell approximately 15 votes short of the needed 2/3 majority needed to override President Bush’s veto. Rep. Steve King (R-IA) called the SCHIP defeat a “victory” for “kids” and “taxpayers.”
UPDATE: DemfromCT has more on the role of SCHIP in the ‘08 elections, and The Gavel has a sampling of newspaper editorials nationwide supporting the SCHIP bill.
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Have to love that reich-wing morality! –> Screw the kids!
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:13 pmWasn’t it just yesterday the president was cheering the ‘right to life’ brigade marching against Roe v. Wade?
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:15 pmOh, that’s correct: only care if in utero - be damned the living.
Wasn’t it just yesterday the president was cheering the ‘right to life’ brigade marching against Roe v. Wade?
Comment by ebbAndflow — January 23, 2008 @ 1:15 pm
It’s “Right to Life,” not “Right to a Long Life” or “Right to a Good Life.”
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:17 pmIn any case, the Republican party will all but cease to exist on Nov. 5.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:19 pmProtect the unborn! Screw the postborn!
Cells are sacred! Children are expendable!
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:22 pmIn any case, the Republican party will all but cease to exist on Nov. 5.
Comment by VerbalKint — January 23, 2008 @ 1:19 pm
With members like Steve King in it , it has long outlived its usefulness and expiration date…….
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:23 pmTP is citing to a Nancy Pelosi cite as its reference. That says a lot about TP. Comment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 1:24 pm
What, that they’d cite the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, when the bill was DEFEATED IN THE HOUSE? ROTLF, you’re DUMB!
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:25 pmTP is citing to a Nancy Pelosi cite as its reference. That says a lot about TP.
Comment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 1:24 pm
You’re a Chimpy rim licker ; says a lot about you……
And none of it is good.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:26 pmgood_golly is like the TYPICAL REPUBLICAN. Screw the KIDS, lets all try to SMEAR THE MOST RESPECTED HOUSE SPEAKER IN AGES! ;) What a SAD PATHETIC little BOY! ;)
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:26 pmI’m sure the uninsured children with untreated physical disabilities are doing their “victory dance” right this very minute. /snark off
The priorities of the conservatives is far from “compassionate”.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:26 pmThe priorities of the conservatives is far from “compassionateâ€.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian — January 23, 2008 @ 1:26 pm
Well to be FAIR, they ARE VERY COMPASSIONATE TO THE RICH!!! ;)
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:27 pmThis must be the “important work” Pelosi refers to when justifying her decision to take impeachment off the table.
Well, since she can’t get anything important passed anyway, why not put impeachment back on the table???
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:29 pmYeah, those pesky kids always demanding healthcare so they can live to grow up. Where are the right to lifers now? Too busy picketing Planned Parenthood probably. Wonder how much SCHIP costs versus one day in Iraq ? But thats Bush and his supporters all for war but nothing for the ones paying the bill.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:30 pmHas there ever been such a despicable President?
How cute! gg is trying to copy criticism she has gotten from TP regulars regarding her citations. Isn’t it precious how children try to imitate the adults!
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:30 pmAnd what about the low income mothers to be? Why aren’t their fetuses eligible for health insurance???????
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:32 pmto sum up Rep. Steve King (R-IA) in a single word… disgusting.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:33 pmIsn’t it precious how children try to imitate the adults!
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian — January 23, 2008 @ 1:30 pm
It sure is ……….Now when is it gonna’ be Chimpy’s turn to try ?
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:33 pmRep King should save the taxpayer a few thousand more dollars by giving up his own taxpayer subsidized healthcare
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:34 pmcorrection: sub “vetoed†for “vetoes†(sic) above.
Comment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 1:34 pm
Correction : you’re no “rim licker”…………
You’re a nut hugger.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:35 pmComment by republicans hate facts — January 23, 2008 @ 1:27 pm
Yeah, there is that. Combine that “compassion” with a donut and you get (wait for it) an expensive donut.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:36 pmRep. Steve King (R-IA) called the SCHIP defeat a victory for kids who pay taxes.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:36 pmProtect the unborn! Screw the postborn!
Cells are sacred! Children are expendable!
Comment by Leftside Annie — January 23, 2008 @ 1:22 pm
and high school dropouts are cannon fodder!
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:36 pmSorry for quoting myself but rep. King can be contacted here if anyone wishes to suggest he save the taxpayer some cash. Not just on his healthcare costs but on the many other taxpayer subsidies he enjoys
http://www.house.gov/steveking/email.shtm
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:38 pmROTFL good_golly! You’re ONE DUMB CHILD to believe THAT PROPAGANDA!! ROTLF, you’re STUPID! And WHY oh WHY do you HATE CHILDREN SO MUCH?
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:39 pmgood_golly cites an opinion piece as “fact”. ROFL!!!! Priceless.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:39 pmDear GOP,
Welcome to permanent minority status.
Signed,
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:40 pmThe Green Party
The Constitutional Party
The Reform Party
The Independence Party
The Natural Law Party
The debate is over. A responsible SCHIP law has been signed and an irresponsible one was vetoes, with the veto sustained. Poor children didn’t lose their coverage, and, contrary to the claims of liberals, were never in danger of losing it. Comment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 1:33 pm
Poor TARD, what kind of REPUBLICAN MORON are you QUOTING that WROTE THIS TRASH? POOR CHILDREN are already covered under Medicaid! This is designed to help WORKING CLASS PEOPLE that either DON’T QUALIFY for affordable health care, or CAN’T AFFORD IT! Wow, you’re a MORON! Not only for QUOTING ANOTHER MORON, but for BELIEVING SH*T you DON’T RESEARCH!! ROTFL, DUM BASS!
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:41 pmThe Democrats need to rename this bill the “Healthy Children Bill”. It’s easy to vote against a SCHIP bill but would be much harder to vote against a “Healthy Children Bill”. Take a page out of the Republiscum playbook. I used to be against the Democrats acting like the Republiscums. I am beginning to think that now it is the only way we will be able to beat them, to beat them at their own game.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:42 pmgood_golly cites an opinion piece as “factâ€. ROFL!!!! Priceless.
Comment by Dr. Matt — January 23, 2008 @ 1:39 pm
Well to be FAIR, republicans in GENERAL are TOO STUPID to KNOW THERE’S A DIFFERENCE! ;)
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:42 pm“I’m happy to report that my decision to stand with taxpayers against the prevailing political winds has been vindicated. To the chagrin of Culver and Pelosi, we saved $35.6 billion, blocked the cornerstone of socialized medicine, ensured the continuation of the SCHIP program for poor kids and temporarily took the politics out of providing quality health insurance for poor kids.
“After all, the poor kids are the ones who will have to pay off the national debt as adults.”
STEVE KING (R-IA)
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How thoughtful of King to worry about today’s children having to deal with the national debt in the future. Does he worry about this enough to cut off funding for senseless occupations of other countries?
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:43 pmComment by bilbobaggins — January 23, 2008 @ 1:42 pm
A better name for SCHIP might be “Pro-Healthy-Life Act”.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:44 pmAnyone who votes for any republican from here on out is either a fool or a sociopath.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:46 pmThats right Good Golly , Are there no workhouses? You and Ebeneezer must be good friends.
And the income level for a familly of four was under $50,000 not the $107, you quoted. So very easy to be mean spirited until you or your family is in need. Until you have walked in the shoes of those struggeling shut your mouth.
One day expense in Iraq would give healthcare to all of us.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:46 pm“After all, the poor kids are the ones who will have to pay off the national debt as adults.â€
STEVE KING (R-IA)
This quote should be tacked onto every argument supporting every budget controlling bill that the Democrats propose.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:48 pmI want to know the names of the damn Democrats who voted with the Republicans. They need to be targeted as well.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:50 pmKids and taxpayers won with the Democratic party’s latest failure. The Democrat proposal would have given taxpayer-funded health insurance to families of four with annual incomes from $77,437 to $103,250, and would have given $6.5 million in Medicaid mostly to illegal immigrants.
Comment by good_golly
goon_golly, everything you have written here, taken from opinion pieces by right wing wackos is a lie. Would you care to prove those statements by links to actual reporting, not to opinion pieces?
Isn’t it amazing how the old $80,000 cap that they railed about is now all of a sudden $103,250. Where in the world did they come up with that. And it is total BS that illegal immigrants would get 6.5 million in Medicaid. Besides, what does Medicaid have to do with the Schip bill?
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:50 pmWhy do Rethuglicans refuse to support the children and the troops?
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:53 pmWhy do Rethuglicans refuse to support the children and the troops?
Comment by robbez_92107
Because there’s no profit in either of them. Both children and the troops cost money, they don’t make money so the Republiscums have no use for them.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:55 pmRep. Steve King (R-IA) called the SCHIP defeat a “victory†for “kids†and “taxpayers.â€
Well, I think that the kids with serious illness’ and no health insurance would not call it “victory”.
I think the repukian scum should go to a children’s cancer ward for a day or two, if that doesn’t break your heart then you don’t have one.
Buck Fush
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:56 pmSCHIP funding vs Iraq is comparing apples and oranges. The money spent to take care of sick kids, to help veterans, to keep our elderly well, to keep our society healthy and functional is discretionary money. We can choose to spend it for those specific benefits, or not. The $200 bazillion for Iraq is not discretionary, it’s the cost for Bush’s legacy. It’s a part of what it will cost to get us to the end game, which is a date in January of 2009 when Bush can strut off the stage without “losing†Iraq.
The others costs, in lives and blood and limbs….. well, that too is absolutely manadatory to keep Bush from admitting he is a total failure and a disgustingly small man.
Come on America, pony up! Life is full of tough choices. Bush’s ego on one hand, what’s right for America on the other. GG has made his choice known, disgusting little shit isn’t he?
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:58 pmto goon_golly - just in case you really want to know the truth about the SCHIP bill, not just Republiscum rhetoric, read this article:
http://www.npr.org/ templates/ story/ story.php?storyId=14962685
I’m not holding my breath, but you never know.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:59 pmGeorgetown University Center for Children & Families/ June 07
Quotes SCHIP income level familiy of 3 $34,340 family of 4, $41,300.
GG reminds me of those fighting against Breakfast for poor kids at schools and the HeadStart program. Because somebody might cheat and get a free breakfast. Wow ! That is a real threat.
Healthcare costs per family per year might add up to a tank of gas if we could rein in the Pharmaceutical companies. Think you could handle that gg? a tank of gas.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:01 pmKing claims that “we blocked the cornerstone of socialized medicine.” Um…does he even know what “socialized medicine” is? SCHIP is no more socialized medicine than Medicare is. SCHIP doesn’t require its recipients to go to government doctors — it provides insurance so that these children can go to the same private doctors and health care facilities everyone else goes to.
Furthermore, this veto only killed the SCHIP expansion, not SCHIP itself. An expansion of an existing program does not a “cornerstone” make. If King thinks that SCHIP is socialized medicine, I would think he’d be fighting to kill off ALL of SCHIP — along with Medicare and Medicaid.
And finally — why does he refer to government-provided health insurance like it’s a bad thing, complete with inflammatory (and incorrect) label? Is he in bed with Big Pharma and the for-profit health care people or something?
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:05 pmRethuglicans like GG act like health care coverage is something we WANT. It’s not…it’s something we need. Of all of the things that one needs, good health only trails food, water, shelter, and sex.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:07 pmGG- if health insurance companies want to be competitive people would choose which coverage would be the best choice. And rationing of healthcare, my ass. In England you can go to any county if one is too busy to do the procedure.
Health insurance in our area for people with no issues, non smokers is still $370 a person. With a $5,000.00 deductible and thats HMO which means we have to choose from the company’s list.
Thats $8880.00 a year, plus the deductible if you get sick, and $8880 that you will never see again if you stay healthy.
Do you have $8880. to throw away each year? This is what you all are fighting against?
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:08 pmThat’s a pretty lame insult from supporters of a site (â€TPâ€) that cites to opinion pieces as “fact†on a daily basis.
Please cite these daily instances. We are waiting.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:09 pmgoon_golly said
Just don’t slip and hurt yourself while working your way up that ladder or you’ll NEVER reach the top.
It’s a different game today, goon. There are plenty of working poor. You can fault those that aren’t working, but you can’t fault those that work hard, but can’t get ahead because the dollar only stretches about as far as your sympathy for the poor.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:11 pmGG - Don’t even go there with me at our age my husband and I both have done whatever necessary to earn our living, raising our four and foster children as well.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:12 pmWhen America stops taking care of the elderly and those in need WE ALL NEED TO HANG OUR HEADS IN SHAME. SHAME ON YOU WHO SUPPORT A PRESIDENT SENDING KIDS TO WAR BUT REFUSING HEALTH CARE FOR OUR OWN.
Comment by missmolly — January 23, 2008 @ 2:05 pm
because Republicans control the language. They control the language because the spineless dems never do a damn thing to challenge the Republicnas on their lies.
Hell, they arn’t even “lies” anymore. Now they’re “false statements”
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:12 pm“…would have caused millions of people that currently have private health care to drop that for government run/government rationed health care.”
Comment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 2:01 pm
It would also have enabled millions of people for whom private health care has been priced beyond reach to insure their children.
And where has it been said that anyone eligible for SCHIP would be forced to drop their private health insurance for SCHIP? If private insurance truly gives more bang for the buck, I would think that anyone who could afford it would hang onto it. That would leave more for families who otherwise would have nothing.
However, I suspect that private health insurance DOESN’T give more bang for the buck. And they are lobbying mightily to avoid having to compete with the government. Anything to keep their gravy train running.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:13 pmat 2:01, GiGi said:
That’s a pretty lame insult from supporters of a site (â€TPâ€) that cites to opinion pieces as “fact†on a daily basis.
Funny then that in the next sentence she said this:
The fact is that the SCHIP bill that was put forth by the Democrats for political gain was reckless and would have caused millions of people that currently have private health care to drop that for government run/government rationed health care.
Confusing opinions for facts?
Sounds like GiGi is projecting again. oops.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:14 pmThey are there on a daily basis. I don’t have to read for you, do I?
Comment by good_goony — January 23, 2008 @ 2:10 pm
so, are you going to provide proof that every day someone here links an opinion as fact, or what?
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:16 pmBy the way, good goony, here are some “facts” associated with your linked posting name!
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:19 pmDon’t try to talk to me about being poor. I worked my way up the ladder, and so can you.
Comment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
I’m happy that you worked your way up the ladder and have landed at the top of the heap, but you didn’t give much information about how your parents paid for your health care when you were a kid. If they worked in the steel and auto industries, they may have had health insurance for their family provided as an employee benefit. Was this benefit in place even when they were on strike? Or did they have to come up with some other way to pay for your health care during those times?
If you are anywhere close to my baby-boomer age, chances are that the cost of health care was still pretty affordable when you were a kid, and your parents could get you regular checkups and other measures to keep you healthy.
It’s a lot tougher for even middle class families nowadays. The cost of health care has shot through the roof. Many employers either no longer offer health insurance as a benefit, or they offer a reduced package, or a package where employees have to pay more out of their own pocket. We can’t really compare what families are up against these days to what it was like for our parents when we were kids.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:24 pmCan anyone doubt that the lobbyists are working overtime to allow the robbing of people in the name of health insurance and drugs? And yet those like gg defend this group of vultures. When a drug like amocillin on the market for years for $13 suddenly cost $34.00 figure it out. And now we hear the latest designer drugs aren’t even effective. So much for “research and development costs.” Its the advertising cost people that we are paying for.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:25 pmMany/most of those private employers would likely stop offering private health insurance as a benefit if they could simply drop that expense and have their employees covered by a government run program.
Comment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 2:21 pm
The SCHIP expansion was only going to cover a relatively small slice of people between those who qualify for SCHIP now, and the next notch upward. It’s doubtful that many employers would have a large enough percentage of their employees fall within that slice to cause them to suddenly drop their health benefits. Employers who are reducing or dropping health benefits for their employees are doing so because of skyrocketing expense — SCHIP expansion or no SCHIP expansion.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:29 pmI worked my way up the ladder, and so can you.
Comment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
Congratulations. I mean that sincerely.
On the other hand, you apparently had your health. Could you have succeeded so well if you had a serious medical condition that kept you from working? Your “research” with an n of one is pathetic. And I mean that sincerely as well.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:29 pmDon’t vote for a single one of the batards!
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:33 pmThe congress critters have no problem accepting and using Government run health care. They just don’t want people who actually work for a living to have it.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:35 pmTry shopping around.
Comment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 2:30 pm
You shop around….for a conscience.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:37 pmYeah #64 - try shopping around.
Have an emergency, perhaps appendicitis? Cut that shit out yourself, that’ll save some money. Broken arm? Splint that thing up using your favorite Ann Coulter book. Be frugal…don’t give in to those big priced Hospitals.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:37 pmHere’s your roll call:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll022.xml
The sole nay dem is someone named Marshall.
Theresa
P.S. Ron Paul voted nay, as well.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:44 pmI worked my way up the ladder, and so can you.
Comment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
My GUESS is you haven’t worked your way too far UP that ladder.
My BET is that you don’t even have health insurance, do you?
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:45 pmKids don’t vote or have money so Republicans don’t care about them. Simple.
But if *I* want the morning after pill, well, that has to be stopped at all costs, doesn’t it?
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:46 pmMany/most of those private employers would likely stop offering private health insurance as a benefit if they could simply drop that expense and have their employees covered by a government run program.
Comment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 2:21 pm
and america would return to a reasonable level of competition with the rest of the world. the USA is the ony industrialized country that has chosen to make a few insurance executives rich instead of providing health coverage for its citizens. htis makes the USA weak, greedy, petty amd savage. Your support for legalized thievery puts you in the category of unAmerican, as well as incredibly stupid if you actually think that the USA couldn’t run health-care more efficiently than the greedy bloodsuckers of the private sector, of that the 40% profit margin going into the pockets of the very rich wouldn’t show up as a substantial saving to companies and individuals. You are operating on blind, evil ideology instead of concern for the nation.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:47 pm“Socialized healthcare” these reich-wingers call it. I prefer the most recent nickname I’ve heard it called- “CheneyCare”.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:48 pmBefore the religious right can have the debate about abortion, all American children under the age of 18 need to have health insurance!
Mr. Purple
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:49 pmI’d rather a professional bureaucrat run my health care system, than some accountant looking to make a bonus at the end of the year for shaving “costs”.*
* “Costs” being a vague euphemism for “health care”.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:50 pmWell goodgolly, what kind of health insurance do you have?
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:51 pmThese problems are not properly addressed by putting the government in charge when history has proven that government supervision and beurocratic red-tape increases inefficiencies, increases administrative expenses, inflates prices, and results in inappropriate care, waste and fraud.
Comment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 2:47 pm
history proves that REPUBLICAN governments rob, cheat and steal. Every other advanced country on the planet does far better than the USA in health-care, run by their governments, which are not Republican, fatcat, lazy, greedy thugs. You lie. You never have a truth in a post, nothing but lies and antiAmerican talking points from the little Nazis you worship. You’re a disgusting pig undeserving of Aemrican citizenship.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:51 pmTrial lawyers are the only thing standing between average people and the runaway, unchecked, unregulated greed of corporations in insurance and health care. Greed and stupidity are causes of the GOP.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:52 pmBefore the religious right can have the debate about abortion, all American children under the age of 18 need to have health insurance!
Mr. Purple
Comment by Mr. Purple — January 23, 2008 @ 2:49 pm
AND, all pregnant women without health insurance need to have coverage and guarnanteed coverage for their babies when they’re born.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:52 pmGOP are baby killers, here at home and abroad.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:55 pmgoon said
Experts would also agree that health care should not be run like a business out to make a profit at any cost and beholden to share holders. What Medicare and Medicaid fraud do you speak of? People not qualifying for it getting it? What a travesty! They’re justing making the smart economic choice…something you Rethugs should be proud of.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:55 pm78. Before the anti-life left can have the debate about health care, claiming that they care about children, they need to stop killing babies!
Comment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 2:52 pm
They don’t kill babies, unlike you repigs that kill thousands in your greed for oil profits. Republicans kill babies and seniors, in their endless greed. an abortion doesn’t kill a baby; get your facts straight for a change.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:57 pm81. Lefty, it took you 81 posts to play the Nazi card. A little slow today for a Stalinist, aren’t you?
Comment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 2:56 pm
What, you mass-murderers aren’t stalinists and Nazis? please, Hitler will welcome Bush and cheney into his circle of hell as sure as you’re a greedy little coward with a ahtred for aemrica that won;t quit. Playing the hitler card is pretty natural when one deals with mass-murdering Nazi fools like you and y8ours.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:58 pm“Many/most of those private employers would likely stop offering private health insurance as a benefit if they could simply drop that expense and have their employees covered by a government run program.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:59 pmComment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 2:21 pm”
Like WalMart!
Trial lawyers are heroes. Corporations would have a death toll as high as Bush’s if it weren’t for trial lawyers.
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:59 pmWe are self-insured through my firm, with the benefits managed by a health insurance company. In other words, we don’t just pay for premiums, we pay the actual health care expenses.
Comment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 2:55 pm
Your firm? And what health insurance company administers the benefits?
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:00 pmit never takes you more than 1 post to lie through your tooth, pig. You’re a failure as an American. and as a human.
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:01 pmMy small business is going broke giving health insurance to employees. When business is slow our bills to our vendors go down, but our health insurance bills stay the same no matter what. For the first time in 10 years I have to take out a loan to pay bills. Of course I had to pay the insurance bills first or the insurance would have been cancelled. No I’m borrowing money to pay for supplies I need to make money.
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:09 pmWell goodgolly that would be great but nobody is addressing them.
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:19 pm“If they were truly “heroes†they could easily start by dropping their contingency rate down to 20% and still make a very good living.”
Comment by good_golly
And since those in the medical profession also are “heroes” of a sort, it’s only fair to ask them to drop their rates as well. They also can still make a very good living. All they have to do is quit being incompetent…
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:23 pmGG… Very few on the left ever talk about “socialized medicine”. This is a scare tactic which has obviously been used effectively on you. For most liberals, the issue is simply that every American should have access to the same kind of health INSURANCE as is provided by medicare, or medicaid. Virtually nobody is talking about sendiing everyone to government run clinics, or nationalizing all the hospitals or such. I occasionally appreciate hearing your opinions, but please don’t waste our time arguing against something nobody is proposing anyway. It’s another “war on christmas”…
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:31 pm98. Those are legitimate problems that need to be addressed, Shayne, but not through socialized medicine. Comment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 3:15 pm
ROTFL! WHY NOT? After all, countries with SOCIALIZED MEDICINE enjoy better healthcare for the masses, longer lives, and PAY LESS than we do! ;) What’s wrong, AFRAID to SAVE MONEY - LOSER? ;)
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:33 pm94. You are projecting again.
Comment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 3:04 pm
You are projecting again. ;)
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:33 pmI would like some of these “conservative” schmucks to actually define their version of socialized medicine. This is the same crap that doctors were spouting before Medicare was put in place, and it is the medical industry that has raped Medicare through the years, not those who have received care under the program. Conservatives and other rightwingers really enjoy talking crap out of their a**holes. It amazes me how they are able to blow smoke and talk out of the same holes.
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:35 pm81. Lefty, it took you 81 posts to play the Nazi card. A little slow today for a Stalinist, aren’t you? Comment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 2:56 pm
ROTFL!! The REAL NAZI is calling someone a STALINIST while POSTING ON A LIBERAL WEBSITE WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS, when NO-ONE has talked about DOING AWAY WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY! ROTFL, you’re DUMB!
92. Why do those trial lawyer “heroes†have to take 33% to 40% of the cut that they claim is “for the people.†To pay for their country club houses and luxury cars, I suppose, and driving up your health care and other costs along the way. If they were truly “heroes†they could easily start by dropping their contingency rate down to 20% and still make a very good living. Comment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 3:03 pm
ROTFL! The cost of healthcare has NOTHING to do with those ‘trial-lawyers’! It’s a scapegoat used by the REAL THIEVES, and YOU are STUPID ENOUGH TO BUY IT!! ROTFL, you’re a DUMB little ONE! ;)
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:36 pmComment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 2:47 pm
“Experts agree that our health care system is riddled with inefficiencies, excessive administrative expenses, inflated prices, poor management, and inappropriate care, waste and fraud…”
– Which experts? And which health care system? Are you talking about our current system of health care delivery in this country? For most of us, that would be a for-profit insurance provider driven by corporate greed. This is probably a bigger factor in driving up health care costs than anything else in your list (except for “inflated prices”).
“…especially when it comes to Medicare and Medicade fraud.”
– Oh, you’re not talking about the for-profit greedheads, you’re talking about government programs? And you are claiming they are riddled with fraud? Insurance fraud is a problem for BOTH government programs and private programs, and they both do their best to fight it in order to keep costs down.
“These problems significantly increase the cost of medical care and health insurance.”
– Agreed that inefficiency and fraud increase the cost of ANYTHING, including medical care. However, the cost of medical care is soaring because of for-profit providers and Big Pharma. Television advertising, CEO salaries, the bottom line to keep the stock price up — it’s all gotta be paid for somehow.
“These, together with the tort explosion brought to you courtesy of the trial lawyers, are the problems that need to be addressed.”
– There you go with your “trial lawyers are the bane of our existence” song and dance again. Medical malpractice lawsuits are but a tiny fraction of total health care costs. Check this out: http://www.centerjd.org/ private/ mythbuster/ MB_medical_malpractice.htm
“These problems are not properly addressed by putting the government in charge when history has proven that government supervision and beurocratic red-tape increases inefficiencies, increases administrative expenses, inflates prices, and results in inappropriate care, waste and fraud.”
– “History has proven”??? This is an example of repeating a lie often enough and people will accept it as the truth. Do you have some proof of Medicare waste and inefficiency, or are you just repeating an oft-cited myth? My googling showed estimates of Medicare overhead to be between 1% (lowest figure I found) to 5% (highest figure I found). Private insurers ranged from 10% to 30%. Would you to explain how government health care programs waste more money than private health insurers do?
I truly don’t understand why you cling so tenaciously to the current health care delivery system in this country, when costs are rising past the cost of living and when more and more people are priced out of the system. Are you truly afraid that under a universal health care system that you will pay thousands of additional dollars in taxes only to never be able to see a doctor again? Or do you work for a for-profit health insurance corporation or pharmaceutical company?
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:36 pmHey TARD, if SOCIALIZED MEDICINE is GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE POLITICIANS, why not for the REST OF AMERICA? ROTFL!
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:36 pmmissmolly, in the world of RELIGIOUS EXTREMISTS like good_golly, where their ENTIRE WORLD VIEW is based on BELIEVING WITHOUT FACTS, this healthcare issue is JUST ANOTHER EXCUSE for them to LEAVE THEIR BRAINS AT THE DOOR and IGNORE FACTS, while SPOUTING UNFOUNDED DOGMA! It’s COMPLETE LUNACY, and NOTHING MORE!
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:39 pmAnd Ron Paul’s number went up by one. Thanks to GG.
January 23rd, 2008 at 4:13 pmComment by Yankeluh — January 23, 2008 @ 3:35 pm
Great point, only the doctors and hospitals can rip off the medicare and medicaid systems since billing can’t be done by individuals. GG acts like all doctors are perfect in their medical practices and that none of them defrauds the government.
January 23rd, 2008 at 4:18 pmThese clowns also forget that the the insurance companies negotiate costs with the medical providers so they pay reduced fees. Everytime something isn’t covered under your insurance, like well care for a child who needs a school physical or a mammogram, the patient pays ridculous rates to make up for the negotiated rates the insurance company pays. Why is this gouging not illegal. I had to pay $600 for my daughter’s fifth grade physical because it was not covered under “well child care”. The insurance company if they paid for the expense would have paid about $200, maybe.
January 23rd, 2008 at 4:22 pmIt’s a real pity that scum like GG and his Repukian counterparts aren’t smart enough to realize that there is a real - and deadly - conflict of interest in “for-profit healthcare”.
Goony, I sincerely hope that YOUR child never has to suffer or die for a corporation’s profit and a CEO’s bonus check.
January 23rd, 2008 at 4:33 pm… lets all try to SMEAR THE MOST RESPECTED HOUSE SPEAKER IN AGES! ;)
Comment by republicans hate facts — January 23, 2008 @ 1:26 pm
OT, but dang that was funny! ;)
January 23rd, 2008 at 4:52 pmOT, but dang that was funny! ;)
Comment by upright left — January 23, 2008 @ 4:52 pm
and unfortunately, all to true, after the disasters the repigs have put in that chair, including pedophile Hastert.
January 23rd, 2008 at 4:56 pm… lets all try to SMEAR THE MOST RESPECTED HOUSE SPEAKER IN AGES! ;)
Comment by republicans hate facts — January 23, 2008 @ 1:26 pm
OT, but dang that was funny! ;)
Comment by upright left — January 23, 2008 @ 4:52 pm
REALITY is OFTEN FUNNY to the CRIMINALLY INSANE. It’s why everyone says you HAVE NO SENSE OF HUMOR, it’s SO DISTORTED by your own LACK OF A RATIONAL BRAIN! ;)
January 23rd, 2008 at 5:05 pmYou know we all pay for roads, schools, libraries, ect. Why are so many against National Healthcare? Medicare costs $96.40 a month with many other plans to add or use instead. So why not the same with healthcare, let those who want to customize their plan do so. Should everyone pay into it of course but on a slidding scale. The government can do some programs right, Social Security checks arrive every months on time, Medicare seems to work. So lets think beyond the box of private healthcare which is bleeding all of us dry.
January 23rd, 2008 at 5:14 pmGood golly is the spririt of the Republicans everything for me and to hell with others.
January 23rd, 2008 at 5:14 pmOnce again the Republicans have forfeited their claim as the party of Moral Values.
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:44 pmA sad, sad day for the children of this nation.
January 24th, 2008 at 1:50 am