Perino Dismisses CPI Study: Truth On How We Sold The Iraq War Is Not ‘Worth Spending Time On’
Perino Dismisses CPI Study: Truth On How We Sold The Iraq War Is Not ‘Worth Spending Time On’
A new study by the Center for Public Integrity and the Fund for Independence in Journalism found that the Bush administration issued 935 false statements about the threat from Iraq in the two years following 9/11. President Bush “led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.”
In today’s press briefing, White House Press Secretary Dana Perino attacked the study. Perino claimed the study “is so flawed” because it “only looked at members of the administration” and not “people around the world”:
I hardly think that the study is worth spending time on. It is so flawed, in terms of taking anything into context or including — they only looked at members of the administration, rather than looking at members of Congress or people around the world.
Because, as you’ll remember, we were part of a broad coalition of countries that deposed the dictator based on a collective understanding of the intelligence.
Watch it:
Perino argues that “we thought as a collective body that there” were WMDs. “The actions taken in 2003 were based on the collective judgment of intelligence agencies around the world,” added spokesperson Scott Stanzel.
The entire world community, however, didn’t endorse the Bush administration’s pre-war claims. For example, the IAEA’s Mohamed ElBaradei, Hans Blix, and other U.N. inspectors were all skeptical of Bush’s WMD allegations. Members of Congress who received the administration’s classified intelligence briefings raised similar concerns.
Dan Froomkin reports today that the Senate Intelligence Committee’s long overdue Phase II report on “whether the White House intentionally deceived the public” prior to the war will be out “before the end of spring.”
Transcript:
QUESTION: Any reaction to the study out from the Center for Public Integrity and the Fund for Independence in Journalism, when they did what they called a count of hundreds of false statements made by the president and top administration officials regarding the threat posed by Iraq. And they counted during the two years after 9/11.
PERINO: I hardly think that the study is worth spending time on. It is so flawed, in terms of taking anything into context or including — they only looked at members of the administration, rather than looking at members of Congress or people around the world.
Because, as you’ll remember, we were part of a broad coalition of countries that deposed the dictator based on a collective understanding of the intelligence. And the other thing that that study fails to do is to say that after realizing that there was no WMD, as we thought as a collective body that there was, that this White House, the president set about to make reforms in the intelligence community to make sure that it doesn’t happen again.
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Liar, liar, panties on fire. This ENTIRE administration are war criminals and deserve to be hanged.
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:19 pmObjectivity is obviously not her strong suit either.
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:20 pmUh, so we should look the other way, at the shinny object then? I sure hope not, we need to bring these criminals to trial.
Bush/Cheney
Hague Trials '09
Buck Fush
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:22 pmTake it easy on her; she doesn't have much to work with.
I mean, she's not that smart, for one, and two, she's trying to put lipstick on this dead, decaying pig of an administration. An it's an awful shade of lipstick, frankly.
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:22 pmAnother "Oh, Dana" moment,
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:23 pmIf I was Perino, that "coffee cup" would be loaded with good bourbon.
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:30 pmI'm with you uncle Ho....You get the rope's and I know where to borrow a few horse's...What a great turn out we would have, bet they would come from around the world to see that...Someoe need's to work on concession stand's...Big money to be made.....Blessings
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:31 pm'...259 false statements' in the report.
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:31 pmWith answer like that from Perino...you can make it 260.
“The actions taken in 2003 were based on the collective judgment of intelligence agencies around the world,†added spokesperson Scott Stanzel.
For a minute I thought the link in the thread would actually go to the opinions of the French, British, Russians etc, etc. on how Saddam had WMD. Nope.
This is a silly non-story. CPI is heavily funded by George Soros. The TP clan is always bemoaning how corporate ownership of MSM outlets invalidates their credibility. Does the same apply to CPI and Media Matters?
Or is Soros, like Olberman, "an independant by any measure"?
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:35 pmwhat an enormous pile of crap...
And, yes, I DO take it personally
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:35 pmGo F*** yourself Eva Braun-n-Serve.
-GSD
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:36 pmKeltoi, so I assume you instantly dismiss anything on Fox News because it bears the stamp of billionaire Rupert Murdoch.
-GSD
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:37 pmBank Robber to jury: I dont' think you should look at the banks too seriously, as any analysis is flawed????????
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:37 pmDan Froomkin reports today that the Senate Intelligence Committee’s long overdue Phase II report on “whether the White House intentionally deceived the public†prior to the war will be out “before the end of spring.â€
I'll believe it when I see it. I believe that Jay Rockefeller promised it in January of last year. I wonder what the Bushies have on him?
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:38 pm2 non-profit, non partisan groups, founded and funded by George Soros? Why comment at all?
Comment by Gin
Do you care to provide proof of this allegation or are you just another "hit and run" troll?
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:39 pmSo... because of other countries we must absolve this administration? If you did a drive-by, everyone's guilty.
Personal responsibility?
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:39 pmWay to go, Dana. That's a two-bagger for you today.
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:40 pmPerhaps tomorrow you can hit one out of the park.
CPI is heavily funded by George Soros. The TP clan is always bemoaning how corporate ownership of MSM outlets invalidates their credibility. Does the same apply to CPI and Media Matters?
Or is Soros, like Olberman, “an independant by any measure�
Comment by Keltoi at Night
Same to you troll, do you care to provide proof to this allegation. And by proof I mean something other than your right wing think tanks or talking heads.
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:40 pmSo, Keltoi, I assume you have looked at the report and verified that at least the first few statements that you checked out were identified as falsehoods but were in fact true?
Is it at least possible that even a George-Soros-funded organ could identify, verify and compile falsehoods that are a part of the public record?
No one's expecting you to swallow the figure of 935 lies without checking them out for yourself. Are you willing to do that?
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:42 pmTruth worth spending time on has never been the Bush regime's strong suit. Why would today be different? Dana's lipstick moment was the order of the day.
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:43 pmWell if "people around the world" had invaded and occupied a sovereign nation, then she might have a point.
As if it wasn't bad enough that our taxes go for unjust war, corporate handouts and rampant corruption, we have to pay Dana to defend it.
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:44 pmLook! A UFO !!
An unabashed false observation.
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:45 pmWonder how many Dana Airhead's already got under her belt? Lies, that is! Bold faced, evil-intended amoral lies.
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:45 pmTony Snow with Tits
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:46 pmI wonder how long it will take Ms. Perrier (aka water on the brain) to realize that she's being used as a scapagoat? That she will be kicked to the curb like a piece of used toilet paper when this cadre is finished with her?
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:46 pmDirty Hippie: Love it!
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:47 pmOkay, Fascist Barbie, please specifically identify one flaw with the report's findings. Go ahead--I'll wait...
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:47 pmresistance is futile
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:52 pmWhat broad based coallition? Except for the UK (now pulling out) none of our real large allies supported us in the effort. Gulf War I was an example of consensus. I am tired of the Hanoi folly type statements from this White House. I am tired of the denial of responsibility. The UN had weapons inspectors on the ground reporting cooperation and lack of success in finding the weapons of mass destruction that provided the primary impetus for immediate action. I will bet that there was no push back from the MSM on this issue.
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:52 pmFor a minute I thought the link in the thread would actually go to the opinions of the French, British, Russians etc, etc. on how Saddam had WMD. Nope.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 6:35 pm
I suppose it would never occur to your retarded pea-brain that the Bush administration presented its phony evidence to those countries governments in an attempt to dupe them into supporting the war. After all, Colin Powell's presentation to the UN was a pack of lies.
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:54 pmL I E D
U S
I N T O
W A R
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CLAIMS & FACTS
Rhetoric, Reality and the War in Iraq
CLAIM: “The regime of Saddam Hussein cultivated ties to terror while it built weapons of mass destruction.†– President Bush’s UN speech, 9/23/03 CLAIM: “Iraq [is] the central front in the war on terror.†– President Bush’s UN speech, 9/23/03 CLAIM: “You can't distinguish between al-Qaida and Saddam.†– President Bush, 9/25/02 CLAIM: “There's no question that Saddam Hussein had al Qaeda ties.†– President Bush, 9/17/03 CLAIM: “There was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda.†– Vice President Cheney, 9/14/03
CLAIM: “We have never claimed that Saddam Hussein ... had either direction or control of 9/11.†– National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, 9/16/03
CLAIM: “We found the weapons of mass destruction.†– President Bush, 5/29/03 CLAIM: "We know where the WMDs are.†– Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 3/30/03 CLAIM: “The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder.†– President Bush, 3/19/03
CLAIM: “The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.†– President Bush, 1/28/03 CLAIM: “We believe Saddam has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons.†– Vice President Cheney, 3/16/03
CLAIM: “Evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program...Iraq could have a nuclear weapon in less than a year.†- President Bush, 10/7/02 CLAIM: “[Saddam] is actively pursuing nuclear weapons at this time.â€- VP Cheney, 3/24/02 CLAIM: “We believe Saddam has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons.†- VP Cheney, 3/16/03 CLAIM: “We do know that [Saddam] is actively pursuing a nuclear weapon.â€- National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, 9/10/02 CLAIM: “Iraqis were actively trying to pursue a nuclear weapons program.†- National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, 7/11/03
CLAIM: “We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories.†-President Bush, on locating the mobile biological weapons labs, 5/29/03 CLAIM: “We know where the [WMD] are.†- Don Rumsfeld, 3/30/03 CLAIM: “Iraq has at least seven mobile factories for the production of biological agents - equipment mounted on trucks and rails to evade discovery.†–President Bush, 2/8/03 CLAIM: “I’m absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We’re just getting it now.†- Colin Powell, 5/4/03
CLAIM: “There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and the capability to rapidly produce more, many more...Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough agent to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets.†– Colin Powell, 2/5/03 CLAIM: “[Saddam has] amassed large, clandestine stockpiles of biological weapons, including Anthrax, botulism, toxins and possibly smallpox. He's amassed large, clandestine stockpiles of chemical weapons, including VX, Sarin and mustard gas.†--Don Rumsfeld, 9/19/02 CLAIM: “Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us.†–Vice President Cheney, 8/26/02 CLAIM: “The Iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons...And according to the British government, the Iraqi regime could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes.†–President Bush, 9/26/02 CLAIM: “Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.†–President Bush, 1/28/03 CLAIM: “His regime has large, unaccounted-for stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons -- including VX, sarin, cyclosarin and mustard gas; anthrax, botulism, and possibly smallpox -- and he has an active program to acquire and develop nuclear weapons.†– Don Rumsfeld, 1/20/03
F A C T S
FACT: No evidence exists to substantiate the claim that Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda had any connections. In fact, most intelligence points to the contrary. FACT: Under the headline “Allies Find No Links Between Iraq, Al Qaeda,†the LA Times reported on 11/4/02 that U.S. allies fighting Al Qaeda in Europe found no evidence of an IraqiQaeda connection. FACT: On 12/18/01, the London Telegraph reported a story under the headline “Iraq link to Sept 11 attack and anthrax is ruled out†detailing how key assertions made by the Administration were unfounded. FACT: The NY Times in June reported, “The chairman of the monitoring group appointed by the United Nations Security Council to track Al Qaeda told reporters that his team had found no evidence linking Al Qaeda to Saddam Hussein.†[6/27/03] FACT: The bipartisan September 11th commission report “undercuts Bush administration claims before the war that Hussein had links to Al Qaeda.†[LA Times, 7/19/03]. FACT: The New York Times reported “since the fall of Baghdad, coalition forces have not brought to light any significant evidence demonstrating the bond between Iraq and Al Qaeda...Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah, the two highest-ranking Qaeda operatives in custody, have told investigators that Mr. bin Laden shunned cooperation with Saddam Hussein.†[NY Times, 7/20/03]. FACT: National Journal reported on 8/9/03, that “three former Bush Administration officials who worked on intelligence and national security issues said the prewar evidence tying Al Qaedea was tenuous, exaggerated and often at odds with the conclusions of key intelligence agencies.â€
FACT: President Bush sent a letter to Congress on 3/19/03 saying that the Iraq war was permitted specifically under legislation that authorized force against “nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.†FACT: Vice President Cheney said on 9/14/03 “I think it’s not surprising that people make that connection†between Saddam and 9/11- with no evidence to back up his claim. FACT: Two days after Cheney made that statement, Reuters reported on 9/18/03 that “President Bush distanced himself from the comments.â€
FACT: No WMD have been found. According to Reuters on 9/15/03, the Administration’s hand picked weapons inspector has come up with no WMD on his visit to Iraq. “A draft report on the search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq provides no solid evidence that Iraq had such arms when the United States invaded the country in March.†(Note: the chemical weapons Bush was referring to at the time never materialized.) FACT: Despite the claim that Iraq’s supposed WMD posed an imminent threat to the U.S., Secretary of State Colin Powell said on 2/24/01 that Saddam Hussein “has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction.â€
FACT: On 7/8/03, the W. Post reported the Administration admitted the Iraq-Nuclear allegation was false. “Revelations by officials at the CIA, the State Department, the UN, in Congress and elsewhere†made clear that the White House knew the claim was false before making the allegation [7/20/03]. In fact, “CIA Director George Tenet successfully intervened with White House officials to have the reference†removed from a Bush speech in Oct. of 2002. [W. Post, 7/13/03] FACT: The UN reported on 9/8/03 that Iraq was not capable of pursuing an active nuclear weapons program after 1991. The report said “"No indication of post-1991 weaponization activities was uncovered in Iraq.†FACT: Voice of America reported on 9/16/03 that, “A senior official in Iraq's new science ministry says the country never revived its nuclear program after inspectors dismantled it in the 1990's.†The scientist, now a member of the U.S.-backed administration in Iraq, “says Iraqi scientists had no way to re-start the program because the inspectors took away all the necessary resources.â€
FACT: “We have not uncovered evidence that Iraq undertook significant post-1998 steps to actually build nuclear weapons or produce fissile material.†- Bush Administration Weapons Inspector David Kay, 10/2/03
FACT: “We have not yet been able to corroborate the existence of a mobile biological weapons production effort...Technical limitations would prevent any of these processes from being ideally suited to these trailers.†- Bush Administration Weapons Inspector David Kay, 10/2/03
FACT: “Iraq did not have a large, ongoing, centrally controlled chemical weapons program after 1991... Iraq's large-scale capability to develop, produce, and fill new chemical weapon munitions was reduced - if not entirely destroyed - during Operations Desert Storm and Desert Fox, 13 years of UN sanctions and UN inspections.†- Bush Administration Weapons Inspector David Kay, 10/2/03
HANG THE LIARS.
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:55 pmWhat broad based coallition?
Surely they can't mean Condi Rice??
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:55 pmBecause, as you’ll remember, we were part of a broad coalition of countries that deposed the dictator based on a collective understanding of the intelligence.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... Oh my side hurts... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
It's so sad it funny.
Come on Dana, tell another one. Go on. I can take it.
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:56 pmWow! It took only 18 minutes after TP posted this thread for the 1st troll to condemn it. The other trolls should be here shortly.
Swiftboating begins in 4...3...2...1...
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:57 pmNo one’s expecting you to swallow the figure of 935 lies without checking them out for yourself. Are you willing to do that?
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — January 23, 2008 @ 6:42
Hell, no! This is not a fact check issue. If you believe that every time Bush said Saddam had WMD he was knowingly lying, there is no way to talk you out of that. If you believe he believed what he was saying, there is no way to talk you out of that. Both Clintons, Gore, Kerry, they are all on the record as saying Saddam had WMD - where are the stats and numbers on THAT coming out of CPI or Media Matters?
In other words, unless you can read minds, this is not something that can be empirically known. That being the case, it is a silly argument.
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:58 pmFor a minute I thought the link in the thread would actually go to the opinions of the French, British, Russians etc, etc. on how Saddam had WMD. Nope. Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 6:35 pm
Actually the FRENCH DISAGREED, remember FREEDOM-FRIES - TARD? The Russians also disagreed. Only the POODLES in Britain and Italy CO-CONSPIRED and FABRICATED intelligence.
This is a silly non-story. CPI is heavily funded by George Soros. The TP clan is always bemoaning how corporate ownership of MSM outlets invalidates their credibility. Does the same apply to CPI and Media Matters? Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 6:35 pm
Well considering this STUDY is BASED ON FACTS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN, then YOU just SOUND STUPID - NOW!
Or is Soros, like Olberman, “an independant by any measure�
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 6:35 pm
Considering he's a LIBERTARIAN - YES! He's FAR MORE INDEPENDENT (stop using words you can't spell, idiot), than YOU or the MSM! MORON!
And ON TO THE TOPIC! Of COURSE it's NOT WORTH IT for HER and BUSH! It shows what LIAR they are and what FOOLS they made of MORONS like KelTard! ;)
January 23rd, 2008 at 6:59 pmHell, no! This is not a fact check issue. If you believe that every time Bush said Saddam had WMD he was knowingly lying, there is no way to talk you out of that. Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 6:58 pm
Actually we don't have to GO on WHAT WE BELIEVE, we can GO ON THE FACTS - TARD! It's YOU that's RELYING ON WHAT YOU BELIEVE!
If you believe he believed what he was saying, there is no way to talk you out of that. Both Clintons, Gore, Kerry, they are all on the record as saying Saddam had WMD - where are the stats and numbers on THAT coming out of CPI or Media Matters? Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 6:58 pm
Actually he DID have WMDS in the 90s, which is WHY those COMMENTS can BE RIGHT, while YOU are WRONG - STUPID LITTLE TARD!
In other words, unless you can read minds, this is not something that can be empirically known. That being the case, it is a silly argument.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 6:58 pm
Actually we KNOW that they INTENTIONALLY FABRICATED and MISREPRESENT INTELLIGENCE! This is NO DIFFERENT than ANY criminal TRIAL! Do you really think the JURY KNOWS what's in the MIND of the DEFENDENT when they tackle MENS REA? Wow, how STUPID ARE YOU anyway?
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:01 pmThis is not a fact check issue. If you believe that every time Bush said Saddam had WMD he was knowingly lying, there is no way to talk you out of that.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 6:58 pm
OF COURSE IT'S A FACT-CHECK ISSUE.
You suggested that, because of a funding source that doesn't meet your standard of credibility, the entire report was suspect.
But the report identifies clear, unambiguous statements made by administration officials, and provides relevant context the demonstrate those statements were made contrary to the information that was available at the time.
If that doesn't convince YOU that they were falsely made statements, then there is no way to talk you out of THAT belief.
But even given that issue of natural bias, your argument might have some standing if you examined even a single statement identified in the report and excused it in the face of the background context.
Until then, you're just dismissing something that's inconvenient and using an irrelevant reason to do so.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:06 pmOf course it could be true, here is another known liar saying the same thing.
http://www.cnn.com/ US/ 9812/ 16/ clinton.iraq.speech/
Comment by Gin — January 23, 2008 @ 7:02 pm
Ok, so they're both liars. Your point? Is Clinton lying a justification for Bush to lie, too?
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:08 pmIn other words, unless you can read minds, this is not something that can be empirically known. That being the case, it is a silly argument.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 6:58 pm
I am unlike many on this site in that I expect more from you than the above, Keltoi.
I also expect more from my President and his administration than you are apparently willing to accept.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:08 pmDana needs to be hanged by her own bra. Or Trannie Coulter's bra.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:09 pmI suppose it would never occur to your retarded pea-brain that the Bush administration presented its phony evidence to those countries governments in an attempt to dupe them into supporting the war. After all, Colin Powell’s presentation to the UN was a pack of lies.
Comment by VerbalKint — January 23, 2008 @ 6:54
VK, personal invective is not your style and not constructive.
And are you really going to take the position the both Clintons, Gore and Kerry were also duped by Bush?
Are you going to say Jacques Chirac of France, who had a 25 year relationship with Saddam, just stupidly said "Oh, okay cowboy I despise, if you say so it must be true"?
Are you going to say the Russians, who likewise had sold Saddam weapons for decades were just taking our intel as gospel, unconfirmed?
Wrong on WMD definitely. Lying on WMD is a partisan position which contradicts the public statements of prominent leaders of both parties.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:10 pmGeez, follow up questions press corps; whether other countries did support us or not, does that absolve us of responsibility. And the broad coalition included Romania, Bulgaria, the Marshall Islands, like two soldiers from Iceland, Spain.......and no, remember the objections that the CIA and the doubts that the UN, Kofi Annan, Hans Blix....remember all the protests 2/15/03? I hope your sleep is tortured Ms. Perino.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:10 pmOf course it could be true, here is another known liar saying the same thing.
http://www.cnn.com/ US/ 9812/ 16/ clinton.iraq.speech/
Comment by Gin — January 23, 2008 @ 7:02 pm
Of course, there's absolutely no way that Saddam could have had WMD at one point but then have had them destroyed, right?
Yeah, from trolls like you, I don't expect anything more than this.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:10 pmThe "fact" is that we all listened to these lies, ad nauseum, and recall them vividly so the actual report only supports what occurred and that which we all heard and know. Let's not get caught up in the "reporting of the facts"; we heard the statements ourselves. This is not like a typical report constructed by a committee who conducts interviews to garner the facts. WE HEARD THESE STATEMENTS, READ THESE STATEMENTS IN THE NEWSPAPERS SO THERE'S NO DEBATE INVOLVED HERE AT ALL.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:10 pmevery american who reads the newspapers, listens to the radio, or watches television had "first hand" experience with these lies. This is not a case of he said/she said which some committee must interpret. The american people were the ones who heard or saw this with their own eyes and ears. No Republiscum can dispute that and not looking like an idiot.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:12 pmAnd the only Americans who actually heard these lies and false statements and who still attempt to debate it are either seriously and profoundly mentall ill or in TOTAL DENIAL about the deceit within themselves.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:13 pmCan you see it in the history books: BUSH, The Liar. No, not one lie but 935! Remember the old song: 99 bottles of beer in the wall.....well the new lyrics are: 935 lies in your face, 935 lies....tralalala.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:14 pmGod, to the Devil:
"Here's another Bush you can burn, I've got too many lying about."
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:18 pmhttp://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/Default.aspx?src=home&context=overview&id=945
On August 26, 2002, in an address to the national convention of the Veteran of Foreign Wars, Cheney flatly declared: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." In fact, former CIA Director George Tenet later recalled, Cheney's assertions went well beyond his agency's assessments at the time. Another CIA official, referring to the same speech, told journalist Ron Suskind, "Our reaction was, 'Where is he getting this stuff from?' "
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:18 pmThe triumph of crackpot realism.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:18 pmForgive my imitation of plunger:
In July 2002, Rumsfeld had a one-word answer for reporters who asked whether Iraq had relationships with Al Qaeda terrorists: "Sure." In fact, an assessment issued that same month by the Defense Intelligence Agency (and confirmed weeks later by CIA Director Tenet) found an absence of "compelling evidence demonstrating direct cooperation between the government of Iraq and Al Qaeda." What's more, an earlier DIA assessment said that "the nature of the regime's relationship with Al Qaeda is unclear."
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:19 pm47-Yep...it's like Jon Stewart said, don't they know we're videotaping this stuff? This isn't ancient history. It happened less than five (long, long, long) years ago and for many of us in the reality-based community it's very clear.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:19 pmsame link as above:
On May 29, 2003, in an interview with Polish TV, President Bush declared: "We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories." But as journalist Bob Woodward reported in State of Denial, days earlier a team of civilian experts dispatched to examine the two mobile labs found in Iraq had concluded in a field report that the labs were not for biological weapons. The team's final report, completed the following month, concluded that the labs had probably been used to manufacture hydrogen for weather balloons.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:19 pmThis woman is SO stupid a turnip would look smart giving the same "briefing"...
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:23 pmKey False Statements
On July 30, 2003, in an interview with Gwen Ifill of PBS's NewsHour With Jim Lehrer, Condoleezza Rice said: "What we knew going into the war was that this man was a threat. He had weapons of mass destruction. He had used them before. He was continuing to try to improve his weapons programs. He was sitting astride one of the most volatile regions in the world, a region out of which the ideologies of hatred had come that led people to slam airplanes into buildings in New York and Washington. Something had to be done about that threat and the president to simply allow this brutal dictator, with dangerous weapons, to continue to destabilize the Middle East."
Interesting that she should say that, given this statement from two years earlier:
"Saddam does not control the northern part of the country," she said. "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."
Maybe she was confused.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:25 pmWHAT? He had the weapons when Clinton said he did, but didn’t have them when Bush said it?
What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Comment by Gin — January 23, 2008 @ 7:20 pm
well, facts are left-leaning. The UN inspectors found no WMD, and stated that he had destroyed them previously. that would be when they got sick and tired of Clinton's attacks on them. So, moron, God will have no mercy on your soul, as you don't seem to possess one, nor is there any evidence of a brain. Clinton did not pull a boheheaded, oorly-planned invasion and occupation either, by the way. You are wrong, as wrong as you can be. Wear it; it's yours.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:27 pmSomeone needs to tell the Bushistas that many of us don't give a rodent's posterior what anyone else in the world had to say about this. I am concerned by what our own officials told us -- the lies they told and the intelligence that they twisted to suit their own ends. The bottom line is: this administration is nothing but liars, cheaters and war mongers. They most certainly do not the "Christian" values that they claim to espouse.
This is, collectively, the most disgraceful administration I have seen in my lifetime.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:27 pmI had a convertible Mustang in 1992. I don't have one now. Using Gin's "logic" I guess I still have one.
Cool.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:28 pmTony Snow with Tits
. . . and hair (and probably lips that could suck the paint off your pencil).
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:28 pmVK, personal invective is not your style and not constructive. Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 7:10 pm
Whereas it IS YOUR STYLE, and ALL YOU'RE GOOD AT - TARD!
And are you really going to take the position the both Clintons, Gore and Kerry were also duped by Bush? Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 7:10 pm
Lets see, WHO had CONTROL over the INTELLIGENCE REPORTS? Bush! DUM BASS! And NONE of those politicians would have RUSHED TO WAR without GOOD INTELLIGENCE - something Bush/Cheney SOUGHT TO SQUASH!
Are you going to say Jacques Chirac of France, who had a 25 year relationship with Saddam, just stupidly said “Oh, okay cowboy I despise, if you say so it must be true� Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 7:10 pm
Uh, the US was the COUNTRY THAT APPROVED OR GAVE SADDAM most of his WEAPONS/TECHNOLOGY and in fact HELPED HIM COME TO POWER so he'd FIGHT THE COMMIES!
Are you going to say the Russians, who likewise had sold Saddam weapons for decades were just taking our intel as gospel, unconfirmed? Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 7:10 pm
So NOW you're ADMITTING you LIED about THOSE COUNTRIES AGREEING WITH THE US? You're just JUSTIFYING and RATIONALIZING the REALITY that YOU WERE LIED TO! LOSER!
Wrong on WMD definitely. Lying on WMD is a partisan position which contradicts the public statements of prominent leaders of both parties.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 7:10 pm
Not TRUE! You LIE - you're a STUPID LITTLE LIAR!
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:29 pmOh, wait -- I guess what Gin's really saying is that I didn't have one then.
Bummer.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:29 pmGin's logic is that of a transparently dishonest administration, bent on stealing the treasury and bullying brown people. That is Gin and Keltoi's logic, the logic of sociopaths and mass-murderers. The koolaid guzzlers, the true believers, following an empty-headed psycho and his puppet.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:29 pmKeltoi's position seems to be that Saddam couldn't possibly have destroyed his WMD, which is why we have found so many. Pretzel logic.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:31 pmWHAT? He had the weapons when Clinton said he did, but didn’t have them when Bush said it?
Comment by Gin — January 23, 2008 @ 7:20 pm
Exactly right.
"What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
Nice speech. Stolen from "Billy Madison", even. Not even an original response. That's pathetic.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:32 pmProto-fascist, AKA Keltoi: "This is a silly non-story. CPI is heavily funded by George Soros."
Are all stories from the American Enterprise Insitute or the Federalist Society also "silly" because they're partially funded by people like Richard Mellon Scaife? Are stories from "Fox News" silly because it's owned by Rupert Murdoch and run by Roger Ailes? Are all stories on NBC or any NBC cable station "silly" because their funded by big defense contractor General Electric?
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:32 pmI thought it was "weapons of mass destruction related activities" or some such shit that we modified that to. How's that Lynch girl making out?
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:33 pmI had a convertible Mustang in 1992. I don’t have one now. Using Gin’s “logic†I guess I still have one.
To expand on your analogy; however, there is one big problem. The guy who bought the Mustang ran it into a tree and totaled it. So you still own the car but it's now useless.
This is the way Gin and the rest of the brain-dead neocons think. You see, when Clinton was in the White House, he was managing the Iraq situation without armed conflict and working toward the ending of Saddam's WMD programs. But then GDumbya got behind the wheel and started his dirty little avoidable war in Iraq.
But that really doesn't matter and GDumbya isn't responsible for frogging up Iraq. After all, it's Clinton's fault.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:34 pmNot TRUE! You LIE - you’re a STUPID LITTLE LIAR!
Comment by republicans hate facts — January 23, 2008 @ 7:29 pm
You forgot "Neener, neener neener", genius.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:37 pmHey Gin, the point is not when or where he had the weapons. We now know that he didn't have the weapons. Clinton may have thought there was a possibility that he had weapons, but his response was a cruise missle here and there to take out potential nuclear facilities and U.N. inspections.
The point is that Bush, while not knowing for surewhether or not the weapons existed, told the American people that he was sure they existed. It doesn't take much brain power to understand the distinction. Moreover, Clinton did NOT lie to the American people to justify an invasion of Iraq. That's what this is about.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:37 pmIf my dog was as ugly and misguided as Dana, I've shave it's a$$ and train it to walk backwards...
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:40 pmKeltoi, again, you question the story or the studies because of who you think partially funded them. Does that mean that you would question anything you hear on any NBC news station because they are owned and funded by General Electric which is, of course, a big defense contractor?
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:40 pmThe point is that Bush, while not knowing for surewhether or not the weapons existed, told the American people that he was sure they existed. It doesn’t take much brain power to understand the distinction. Moreover, Clinton did NOT lie to the American people to justify an invasion of Iraq. That’s what this is about.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — January 23, 2008 @ 7:37 pm
Colonel, I have a feeling your point is lost on Gin. Too many big words is my guess.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:41 pmDon't the Moonies still own a bunch of right leaning newspapers?
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:44 pmI had a convertible Mustang in 1992. I don’t have one now. Using Gin’s “logic†I guess I still have one.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — January 23, 2008 @ 7:28 pm
You love your mustang. It took you years to buy it. Everyone in your neighborhood fears you because you have it; you have used it several times to run over some neighbors who pissed you off. You feel powerful because you have it. The Sheriff tells you - for 12 years - that you have to give it up or else you are going to jail.
You have thousands of square miles of desert to hide your mustang in, but instead you decide to roll it off a cliff. You do nothing to document this decision.
The Sheriff says enough is enough, hand over your murderous mustang. You say, mustang? I got rid of it! Surely you must believe me....?
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:46 pmRalph, of course you're probably right, but why do these proto-fascists insist on changing the subject? The subject is not who thought what and when. The subject is lying to the public to garner support for the invasion of another country. When the Founders were talking about "high crimes," surely they were thinking of something like this.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:46 pm"it only looked at members of the administration...." - well they started the whole mess,are resposible for handling (or mishandling in this case) the operation and are accountable for what happens there - the administration was shouting the loudest and beating the drums so therefore we all assumed that any answers to questions about the war would come from the architects themselves - and she thinks that constantly giving false statements and misleading the public about this 5 year disaster is something not worth spending time on? - what a disgrace
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:48 pmOh, Keltoi, stop all the nonsense. It's pathetic. When Cheney said, "simply put, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein has reconstituted his nuclear weapons program," that is simply a bald-faced lie. "No doubt" means something. Of course there was doubt and Cheney knew damn well there was doubt. What don't you understand about that? It's pretty clear cut.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:49 pmKeltoi -- THAT'S your response?
You're really off your game tonight, dude.
Okay, I'll play.
The Sheriff says "enough is enough, hand over your murderous mustang". I say, I have no Mustang, see for yourself. The Sheriff pokes his head in my garage, sees nothing, but tells the city council that "there is no doubt" that i still have a Mustang.
The City Council suggests getting a warrant and sending detectives in to thoroughly search my garage. The Sheriff says, "No way! That will take too long! We have to bring in the SWAT team and level the dude's house NOW. THEN we'll find that Mustang, I assure you."
Hey, this is fun!
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:51 pmKeltoi, again, you question the story or the studies because of who you think partially funded them. Does that mean that you would question anything you hear on any NBC news station because they are owned and funded by General Electric which is, of course, a big defense contractor?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — January 23, 2008 @ 7:40 pm
YES - I question them. I question everything I hear and half of what I see. Can you say the same? That is the point I was driving at.
BTW, this afternoon Kucinich said Bush lied multiple times in the House and when called on it by a colleague retracted the statement.
The Absolutist attitude is bad when practiced by either side, Colonel.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:51 pmThe Absolutist attitude is bad when practiced by either side, Colonel.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 7:51 pm
Ah, the faux-moderate equalization of the bad stuff.
So what if Bush lied? Clinton lied too! They all lie! Why get upset about it?
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:53 pmYou have thousands of square miles of desert to hide your mustang in, but instead you decide to roll it off a cliff. You do nothing to document this decision.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 7:46 pm
Nothing?
On March 7, 2003, Hans Blix's last report to the UN security Council prior to the US led invasion of Iraq, described Iraq as actively and proactively cooperating with UNMOVIC, though not necessarily in all areas of relevance and had been frequently uncooperative in the past, but that it was within months of resolving key remaining disarmament tasks.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:53 pmThe City Council suggests getting a warrant and sending detectives in to thoroughly search my garage. The Sheriff says, “No way! That will take too long! We have to bring in the SWAT team and level the dude’s house NOW. THEN we’ll find that Mustang, I assure you.â€
Hey, this is fun!
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — January 23, 2008 @ 7:51 pm
Ralph - your garage is the size of Texas.
Analogy fatigue strikes.
Colonel, on the nuke program I will cede you the point. I was always more worried about biological weapons.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:54 pmKeltoi: "YES - I question them. I question everything I hear and half of what I see. Can you say the same? That is the point I was driving at."
Then why is it that I only see people like you bring up credibility when it pertains to anything associated with George Soros? The American Enterprise Insitute has been saying for years that cutting taxes increases revenue and people like you repeat it like a mantra as if the wealthy industrialists who fund the Institute wouldn't think of propagating a lie in their wildest dreams. Get serious. Don't even begin to talk to me about "absolutism" until I see a little bit of balance here. You're sitting there acting like the Bush administration DIDN'T lie and distort intelligence to make a phony case that we had to invade Iraq because they were a threat to our safety when every sane person in the world knows that was the case. What exactly do you think you're doing?
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:56 pmAnd to continue:
So the Sheriff calls in the SWAT team, they level my garage, give my wife and dogs just enough time to get out into the yard, then level my house with bulldozers.
No Mustang.
The Sheriff, defiant as ever, says "He must have moved it to a friend's garage!" Then, "Everyone KNEW he had a Mustang! He had driven it down the street!"
Finally, the Sheriff said, "His best friend said he had a Mustang in 1992! Are you calling his best friend a liar?"
Forever after, he was known as the Worst. Sheriff. Ever.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:57 pmYES - I question them. I question everything I hear and half of what I see. Can you say the same? That is the point I was driving at. Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 7:51 pm
I QUESTION whether YOU have a BRAIN, and I can SEE I'm RIGHT TO DO SO!! ROTFL!!
BTW, this afternoon Kucinich said Bush lied multiple times in the House and when called on it by a colleague retracted the statement. Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 7:51 pm
Really - DOCUMENT THIS!
The Absolutist attitude is bad when practiced by either side, Colonel. Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 7:51 pm
Take your OWN ADVICE - TARDED HYPOCRITE! Wow you're a DUMB LITTLE ONE!
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:00 pmYou have thousands of square miles of desert to hide your mustang in, but instead you decide to roll it off a cliff. You do nothing to document this decision.
The Sheriff says enough is enough, hand over your murderous mustang. You say, mustang? I got rid of it! Surely you must believe me….?
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 7:46 pm
NOTHING? ROTLF! I guess all of those FENDERS dug up in the DESERT are NOTHING!! GOOD GRIEF - you're DUMB! And YOU TRY TO TEACH CHILDREN? What? How to POTTY TRAIN? Because it's CLEAR even THAT SKILL IS BEYOND YOU - TARD!
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:03 pm"I hardly think that the study is worth spending time on."
How 'bout some time in prison as a war criminal? You are a LYING ENABLER!! You are a member of the most corrupt administration in the history of this great Democracy!!
I would put you in prison in a heartbeat Dino Parana! You know, like, let you do some "spending time" in prison on it!!!
Go home, save the last half-brain you have left!!
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:03 pmHow’s that Lynch girl making out?
Comment by dbadass — January 23, 2008 @ 7:33 pm
A little better than that Tillman guy.
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:04 pmI guess we can add truth telling to math and history as the things that Purina is not so good at.
Tony Snow with tits - and without the cancer!
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:07 pmDana really needs to commit herself to the Liars Anonymous rehab facility.
Conveniently located in the thriving sh!t-pile city of Washington DC.
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:10 pmMy my, aren't you the wet blanket this evening!
;)
The MSM doesn't have much credibility on any subject, but to give you some credit, neither do the statements of tortured persons.
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:11 pmAnd the City Council, while suspecting that I still had the Mustang, encouraged the Sheriff to make a show of force at my house expecting that it would be enough for me to lead authorities to my offending car.
But, since I didn't have the car, there was nothing I could do to placate the SWAT team. They riddled my house with bullets and threw a grenade in my garage. It started a fire that spread to my neighbor's house and soon the whole neighborhood was engulfed in flames. Everyone ran from their homes and confronted the SWAT team who promptly began shooting at them.
In the meantime, no one bothered to call the fire department and so the fire spread even further and destroyed more homes.
In the weeks following, other Mustang owners marched on City Hall to protest the treatment I had received. The City Council huffed and puffed and talked real big about how they were going to fire the City Manager and schedule a recall election for the mayor . . . but they did nothing.
And all the people who lost their homes in the fire sued the city for damages but there was no insurance or money so the City Council borrowed money to pay off all the losses.
And so on and so on and so on.
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:12 pmDon’t the Moonies still own a bunch of right leaning newspapers?
Comment by dbadass
They have tipped over completely, and are lying on their right sides.
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:13 pmWell....throw that lie on the pile.
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:15 pmYou’re sitting there acting like the Bush administration DIDN’T lie and distort intelligence to make a phony case that we had to invade Iraq because they were a threat to our safety when every sane person in the world knows that was the case. What exactly do you think you’re doing?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — January 23, 2008 @ 7:56 pm
Every sane person in the world DOESN"T know that - unless Gore, Kerry and both Clintons are insane? You KNOW a lot of things that I QUESTION - see the difference?
This is an old argument, I have gone around this carousel many times, it always winds up in the same place.
CPI is not a neutral info source. This story is silly, but it is red meat to the true believers that Bush is Satan.
The larger issue is not silly, though it is a circular argument and does nothing for the US moving forward.
Kucinich himself had to back off claiming Bush lied. Does that not say it all?
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:16 pmThe larger issue is not silly, though it is a circular argument and does nothing for the US moving forward.
Comment by Keltoi at Night
All to true.
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:23 pmIf you don't eliminate the loose dog which craps in your yard, it will keep doing it.
And if you don't bury the crap, all you'll have is more stray dogs coming by to sniff it.
Every sane person in the world DOESNâ€T know that - unless Gore, Kerry and both Clintons are insane? You KNOW a lot of things that I QUESTION - see the difference? Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 8:16 pm
ROTFL!! No, they aren't INSANE, but YOU ARE, for CLAIMING THEY AGREE WITH YOU!!! HYSTERICAL!
This is an old argument, I have gone around this carousel many times, it always winds up in the same place. Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 8:16 pm
Yes, with YOU being DISPROVEN, LOOKING LIKE FOOL, and REFUSING to ADMIT you've been BESTED! But to be FAIR, that's the SAME PLACE you are on EVERY ARGUMENT - TARD!
CPI is not a neutral info source. This story is silly, but it is red meat to the true believers that Bush is Satan Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 8:16 pm.
ROTFL! They DOCUMENTED INFO IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN! What's NOT NEUTRAL about FACTS? You are a COMPLETE, and UTTER MORON!! You little, SAD PATHETIC TOOL OF A FOOL!
The larger issue is not silly, though it is a circular argument and does nothing for the US moving forward. Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 8:16 pm
Your REFUSAL for ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY for your ACTIONS does NOTHING FOR THE US MOVING FORWARD! MORON!
Kucinich himself had to back off claiming Bush lied. Does that not say it all?
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 8:16 pm
Still waiting for you to DOCUMENT THIS! Poor, little INCOMPETENT TARD - you REALLY ARE ANOTHER INEPT REPUBLICAN!! ROTFL!
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:23 pmCome On KilTARD document your Kucinich claims!
LITTLE STUPID LIAR!
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:25 pmKilTARD is Bush's B**CH! ;) Woof Woof, b**CH!
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:25 pmHey KilTARD, here's a RECENT CASE, documented on TP, where BUSH WAS PUBLICLY DOCUMENTED OF LYING!!! His LYING HAS NOT STOPPED, and NEITHER HAS YOURS - KilTard!
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/bush-nie-lied/
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:27 pmPerino argues that “we thought as a collective body that there†were WMDs.
Collective Body?!! Is this woman the Borg Queen or what?!
She certainly shows no sign of humanity or conscience.
It's all too surreal.
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:30 pmCome On KilTARD document your Kucinich claims!
Comment by republicans hate facts — January 23, 2008 @ 8:25 pm
http://www.wkyc.com/news/national/news_article.aspx?storyid=81934
Eat sh*t.
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:32 pmShe certainly shows no sign of humanity or conscience.
Comment by Massachusetts2 — January 23, 2008 @ 8:30 pm
Just like a RePugniScum vampire!!
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:34 pm"In his lengthy statement, the Ohio congressman said, "The President and Vice President lied and 4,000 of our soldiers died. The President and Vice President lied and a million innocent Iraqis died in a war that'll cost us two trillion dollars while people here in the states are losing their jobs, their health care, their homes, their dignity. Lies are weapons of mass destruction. Lies are also an impeachable offense. Monday, January 28th is the State of the Union. We already know the State of the Union, it's a lie."
After minor commotion on the floor and opposition by republicans, ostracized presidential candidate moved to have his words taken off the record.
Kucinich said, "I ask unanimous consent to withdraw the offending words, to the end that they be stricken from the record and that I be permitted to revise and extend my remarks for the record."
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:34 pmCome On KilTARD document your Kucinich claims!
Comment by republicans hate facts — January 23, 2008 @ 8:25 pm
Still ROTFLing, a$$wipe?
Do this blog a favor. Go find a cliff.
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:38 pmCome On KilTARD document your Kucinich claims!
Comment by republicans hate facts — January 23, 2008 @ 8:25 pm
http://www.wkyc.com/ news/ national/ news_article.aspx?storyid=81934
Eat sh*t.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 8:32 pm
ROTFL!! You are an EMBARRASSMENT TO THE HUMAN RACE! The SPECIFIC TEXT that Kucinich used, is the STANDARD TEXT that EVERY CONGRESSPERSON USES when giving a ONE MINUTE SPEECH!! Your IGNORANCE is HYSTERICAL!!! BAHAHAHA, what a COMPLETE TARD!!! Trust me CHILD reading YOUR POSTS is the EQUIVALENT of eating sh*t, considering how WRONG YOU ARE ON EVERY POST!!
Don't YOU feel STUPID NOW? Because you ARE, AND You LOOK IT!!!
I'll even help you out KilTARD, with the HOUSE RULES from here:
http://www.rules.house.gov/archives/floor_man.htm
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Still ROTFLing, a$$wipe?
Do this blog a favor. Go find a cliff.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 8:38 pm
I SURE AM! From you being SO STUPID that you confused PROCEDURES for RETRACTIONS!! ROTFL, you're a DUMB LITTLE RUBE A$$WIPE!
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:43 pmAfter minor commotion on the floor and opposition by republicans, ostracized presidential candidate moved to have his words taken off the record.
Kucinich said, “I ask unanimous consent to withdraw the offending words, to the end that they be stricken from the record and that I be permitted to revise and extend my remarks for the record.â€
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 8:34 pm
Well to FAIR, you did quote a SMALL LOCAL RUBE PAPER, that was PROBABLY UNAWARE of standard HOUSE PROCEDURE!!! ;)
Well, well, now don't YOU FEEL STUPID? Because YOU ARE!! ROTFL!!!
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:45 pmPLEASE don't tell me you teach anything related to POLITICAL SCIENCE, KilTARD! If SO, our POOR CHILDREN DESERVE BETTER!!! ;)
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:46 pmStill ROTFLing, a$$wipe?
Do this blog a favor. Go find a cliff. And JUMP ;)
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:48 pmComment by republicans hate facts — January 23, 2008 @ 8:42 pm
Kucinich said, “and that I be permitted to revise and extend my remarks for the record.â€
Where in your little post do the words "I ask unanimous consent to withdraw the offending words, to the end that they be stricken from the record" appear A$$WIPE!?
And yes, I do feel stupid for acknowledging you. You are the intellectual equivalent of a fart in church - no one wants to acknowledge it but everyone moves away. You have killed and derailed more threads than I can count - your CAP LOCK idiocy appears, everyone flees.
Back to the Rubber room with you. Begone.
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:50 pmAnd just so you know, KilTARD, the reason the words were deemed 'offensive' and therefore he himself suggested they be 'stricken' (standard procedure for the house), stems directly from the standards of decorum in the house. Specifically:
So even if what he says is true, they violate the house 'protocol' when they speek to motives, which is in fact what the big K said, and therefore must be stricken from a parliamentary perspective. See this is all very GROWN UP stuff, so if you're having trouble KEEPING UP, it's OK - Junior!! ROTFL!!! ;)
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:53 pmAnd yes, I do feel stupid for acknowledging you. You are the intellectual equivalent of a fart in church - no one wants to acknowledge it but everyone moves away. You have killed and derailed more threads than I can count - your CAP LOCK idiocy appears, everyone flees.
Back to the Rubber room with you. Begone.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 8:50 pm
Well you are the REAL EQUIVALENT of a NUDIST producing a SHART in CHURCH! ;)
As for people FLEEING, well they KNOW I'll make MINCEMEAT of UNINFORMED TARDS like YOU ;)
ROTFL!! A RIDICULOUS LITTLE DWEEB/TARD like you lecturing on a RUBBER ROOM, while NOT being able to understand simple PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE - HYSTERICAL!! Beautiful PROJECTION - LOSER!! ROTFL!!!
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:55 pmIs it just me? Or does Dan Perino creep anyone else out? There is something so poisonous about her, something beyond Heatherish, something truly evil....
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:13 pmWaxman documented the lies back in 2004 in his Iraq on the Record report.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:31 pmBullshit Lies from the Bushies!
here's the proof, the smoking gun....
"(CBS) When no weapons of mass destruction surfaced in Iraq, President Bush insisted that all those WMD claims before the war were the result of faulty intelligence. But a former top CIA official, Tyler Drumheller — a 26-year veteran of the agency — has decided to do something CIA officials at his level almost never do: Speak out.
He tells correspondent Ed Bradley the real failure was not in the intelligence community but in the White House. He says he saw how the Bush administration, time and again, welcomed intelligence that fit the president's determination to go to war and turned a blind eye to intelligence that did not.
"It just sticks in my craw every time I hear them say it’s an intelligence failure. It’s an intelligence failure. This was a policy failure," Drumheller tells Bradley.
Drumheller was the CIA's top man in Europe, the head of covert operations there, until he retired a year ago. He says he saw firsthand how the White House promoted intelligence it liked and ignored intelligence it didn’t:
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:33 pmhttp://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/21/60minutes/main1527749.shtml
Saddam did have weapons because Bush 41 sold them to be used against Iraq. Funny thing about how we can prop up dictators when making megabucks in the sale of weaponry on one hand and then decide to turn against them when we want their oil. What Idiot Son did not bet on was the fact that when Saddam said he'd destroyed them, he actually did.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:39 pmWar profiteer Pappy Bush IS the "little man behind the curtain at Oz" in all things rotten in this country.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:40 pmBTW, this afternoon Kucinich said Bush lied multiple times in the House and when called on it by a colleague retracted the statement.
The Absolutist attitude is bad when practiced by either side, Colonel.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 7:51 pm
Bush lied. That's a fact. You just don't like it. Your simple, black & white framing won't allow you to accept the fact of the worst president in American history, so you make up little bumperstickers like Absolutism. You're so full of shit that your hair stinks.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:42 pm935 Lies in 24 months to feed the Bush run-up to War.
THIS demands IMPEACHMENT.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:42 pmAmen, #124. It would demand impeachment IF we had a congress worth their salaries.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:44 pmKucinich himself had to back off claiming Bush lied. Does that not say it all?
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 8:16 pm
it doesn't say anything. he was right, and he backed down, because of some foolish gentlemen's bullshit rule. Bush lied, thousands died. Denying it only shows what a transparent, brainwashed idiot you are. Again.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:44 pmGoogle Dresser and Bush to see where all of the lies actually began.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:45 pmKucinish hasn't backed off one iota, dear deluded Keltoi. In fact, he's putting more energy than ever into the reopening of the 911 commission which will be the opening of massive impeachment protests all over this country - and this time against Herr Bush.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:46 pmThat’s all you need to know.
Comment by Gin — January 23, 2008 @ 8:44 pm
5 years before the fact? that's all you do know, you moron. irrelevant. go suck some more GOP cock, they like that.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:46 pmKeltoi: What's more, Kucinich is getting incredible support as well. Couple that with Wexler's petition and ongoing efforts and I think we've got some impeachment hearings on the forthcoming horizon.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:47 pmThe only reason his statement was retracted is because Kucinich didn't have the "text" of all the lies ready to be presented at that time. His remark was a "harbinger of things to come" as in "setting the stage" for the fireworks.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:48 pmKucinish hasn’t backed off one iota, dear deluded Keltoi. In fact, he’s putting more energy than ever into the reopening of the 911 commission which will be the opening of massive impeachment protests all over this country - and this time against Herr Bush.
Comment by Veritas — January 23, 2008 @ 10:46 pm
Right. Massive. If you define a tenth of a half a percent as massive.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:50 pmKeltoi: What’s more, Kucinich is getting incredible support as well.
Comment by Veritas — January 23, 2008 @ 10:47 pm
You mean he broke the 3% threshold among Democratic primary voters? That IS incredible!
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:52 pmPoor Keltoi is TOO STUPID to know the difference between a House Procedural move, and a RETRACTION!!! Yeah, and we're ALL SURE that SCREAMING JEAN also RETRACTED her STATEMENT!! ROTFL, you're DUMB KelTARD! ;)
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:17 pmRight. Massive. If you define a tenth of a half a percent as massive.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 10:50 pm
Hey, it's MORE PEOPLE than you TARDS get to SHOW UP to one of those ANTI-ABORTION RALLIES!! ROTLF, Poor little KelTARD, keeps STEPPING on his own d**K! Oh wait, he doesn't HAVE ONE ANYMORE!! ROTFL!!
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:18 pmKucinich himself had to back off claiming Bush lied. Does that not say it all?
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 23, 2008 @ 8:16 pm
ROTFL! He did NO SUCH THING! He had to have items STRUCK from the RECORD because they VIOLATED HOUSE RULES!! Poor little TARD!!! You're SUCH A SAD little MORON!!! I hope those CHILDREN YOU RAISE - ESCAPE YOUR GRASP before you TARD THEM ALL!! ;)
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:20 pmOne lie, mistake, error, misstatement, misrepresentation or uncertainty, is too much; when on the path to war. Bushco and the neocons have turned the U.S. into a criminal nation. With a great deal of luck and, thus far undeserved, forgiveness we might be able to reclaim our standing among nations. In a hundred years or so.
But their crimes will never be forgotten.
January 24th, 2008 at 12:10 amClinton was impeached for one lie. Martha Stewart served 5 months in prison for lying. How does it work these days? The first 925 lies are now free?
I want to live long enough to see these thugs answer for everything they've done, and everyone they've hurt!
January 24th, 2008 at 12:26 amDoes Dana Perino run on regular batteries, or do you think they use the rechargeable kind?
January 24th, 2008 at 12:41 amOff Topic:
Here’s a site I just discovered, “Fundies say the Darndest Thingsâ€. It’s a tremendous example of Fundamentalist “logicâ€. I wonder how many of our trolls have been quoted there?
http://www.fstdt.com/default.aspx
January 24th, 2008 at 12:55 amLiar, liar, panties on fire. This ENTIRE administration are war criminals and deserve to be hanged.
Comment by Uncle Ho — January 23, 2008
January 24th, 2008 at 1:21 amI got so ungry reading Perino's bimbo lies and white washes... there was never a 'Coalition of the willing", it was coalition of the right-winged government that were with the War Criminal Bush or were coerced to do so. These governments are currently out of office for following The war criminals in the White house. They were voted out! Here in Australia, our Prime Minister is getting out of Iraq. He received the mandate to do that when the people of Australia voted Jonny Coward out. We knew we were lied to, and we knew that the lies came from Washington. From PAUL WOLFOWITZ DOUGLAS FEITH STEPHEN HADLEY RICHARD PERLE ELLIOT ABRAMS SCOOTER LIBBY JOHN HANNAH DAVID WURMSER ANDREW NATSIOS DAN BARTLETT MITCH DANIELS GEORGE TENET COLIN POWELL DONALD RUMSFELD CONDOLEEZZA RICE DICK CHENEY GEORGE W. BUSH ! Perino STOP LYING!!!!!!
Comment by Uncle Ho — January 23, 2008
January 24th, 2008 at 1:23 am...anyway, as I was saying, I got so ungry, than I turned to the comments page and read yours! Couldn't say it better! Thanks!
Presidential candidate John Edwards on 10/7/02:
Bill Clinton on 7/22/03:
I'll spare you all the dozens upon dozens of other comments by American Democrats - and Republicans - who came to a judgment, often independent of the administration's rhetoric, that Iraq was a threat.
January 24th, 2008 at 1:38 amI can't imagine having a job where you're paid to lie constantly. Only the ethically-challenged need apply.
(psst...no true Christian would accept such a job.)
January 24th, 2008 at 2:34 amThe day Clinton left office, the chemical and biological weapons from the 1980's (the stuff doesn't last 15-20 years) had not been accounted for----but that does not mean Iraq had them. Clinton had ordered out the inspectors because we wanted to bomb some more and it would have been dangerous for them. They came back in in late 2002. They looked everywhere they knew to look and could find nothing. They begged the Bush administration to suggest where they should look. The White House ordered them out.
Saddam turned over a 20,000 page report detailing what had happened to the chemical and biological weapons from the past. Twenty seconds later Bush discounted it. BTW, it was true.
The only way an invasion is legal is by passing the UN Security Council. When we realized the vote would be four in favor and eleven opposed (remember, we had their phones tapped), we withdrew the proposal. Therefore, the invasion was illegal. The UN Charter is also the law of the USA--since we signed it.
Two statements in Bush State of the Union Speech Jan 2003 were known lies eleven months before he said them: 1)Iraq was trying to acquire uranium from Africa
2)the aluminum tubes were suitable for nuclear weapons.
The meeting in Prague was a lie
the drones were a lie
the shack in the north was a lie
the ties to al Qaeda was a lie
ready to launch in 45 minutes was a lie
the mobile weapons labs were a lie
Powell's speech at the UN was based on Curveball, and they were known to be lies before the speech was given. Tenet let Powell go ahead with the speech anyway.
January 24th, 2008 at 3:56 amWho was we who "thought as a collective body that there were
WMD", Ms Perino??
Even though that was true (it wasn't), but believing in faulty
intelligence and going to war based on it are 2 different things.
Is the Bush Administration an unwitting victim of bad intelligence
as it persistently claims? If so, why hasn't it apologized for the
war on error? Rather, it says the war was the right thing to do
regardless of the WMD. Oh? Does that mean WMD was irrelevant?
Then why saying it 532 times?
Repeating an irrelevant thing for 532 times is an indication of lying.
January 24th, 2008 at 4:02 amHave I got your attention?
The administration would like to pretend (lie) about only being part of a stupid herd and not being able to stop and think for itself before spreading lies that have led to a disastrous war.
The facts are, this administration was the provocature of the herd. Waving the red flag in front of their faces screaming WAR, WAR, WAR. And if you will remember correctly, not very many went along. Several countries were able to step back and see the lies and the provocation for what it was. Bush had to bribe many small countries into going along with the neocons blood and oil lust.
The administration not only lied to the people of the United States into going to war, but they lied to the world. Some bought the lie, for their own reasons (greed) and others didn't. But the lies BEGAN from this White House.
January 24th, 2008 at 5:46 amAnd the lies continue from this White House.
January 24th, 2008 at 5:47 amPerino is wrong.
Well said Keith. The primary source of the missinformation was from "Curveball" and cooked by this administration.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:39 amFace it, folks. The CPI study is a partisan hit job, nothing more.
Other than a few libs, the bulk of America doesn’t believe, nor do they care about, the CPI study.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Here we go again....why do these foolish trolls think they can actually defend objective researched and verified facts against their verbal denials.....you/we all know the truth and you just make yourself look petty....which you are...give it up and try to argue something that is not already a historical fact......this is not over and it will come up again and again....too many crimes...no one so far doing the time....that will changed.
the American people are awakening to your lies.......get your kleenex ready cause your greasy leaders are going down.....it's actually already started...many of your hero's are already in jail or facing it....
January 24th, 2008 at 9:41 amFace it, folks. The CPI study is a partisan hit job, nothing more.
Other than a few libs, the bulk of America doesn’t believe, nor do they care about, the CPI study.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 24, 2008 @ 3:01 am
What's not to believe?
Do you dispute the statements that are PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD?
Or do you dispute the context in which they're presented?
Please explain what's not to believe. Did the officials cited actually NOT say the things attributed to them? Or were the things they said actualy proven TRUE?
Which is it, O'Bigfool?
January 24th, 2008 at 10:49 am"Because, as you’ll remember, we were part of a broad coalition of countries that deposed the dictator based on a collective understanding of the intelligence."
what a fu(king joke!
January 24th, 2008 at 11:46 ambroad coalition, my ass!
Face it folks. We were lied to continually by this administration. Now I know it hurts when people finally realize that what they've sent their sons and daughters to die for was a lie but that has been made painfully evident.
The rational people in the world learn when to admit they were taken for a ride.
Bigfoot hasn't come out of the cave of shadows yet. He would rather view the impressions created by others than the real world.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:52 amThats a professional liar defending the compulsive liars she works for. They lie so often, the truth has no meaning to them. They make their own truth and don't care about anything else.
January 24th, 2008 at 12:53 pmSo Clinton gave the green light for Operation Desert Fox in 1998. Correct.
But whose idea was it? Read this letter. Read who signed it:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
Do the names sound familiar? And do you think this letter was their only act of influence?
January 26th, 2008 at 5:20 pm