ThinkFast: January 23, 2008
ThinkFast: January 23, 2008
A new study by the Center for Public Integrity and the Fund for Independence in Journalism found that President Bush and his top officials issued 935 false statements about the threat from Iraq in the two years following 9/11. Bush “led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq’s links to al Qaeda.”
A new Iraqi law said to “return former Baathists to public life,” could actually “set off a new purge of ex-Baathists, the opposite of U.S. hopes for the legislation,” according to “Iraqi lawmakers, U.S. officials and former Baathists.” At least 7,000 Baathists who have been allowed back into the government in recent years may lose their current positions under the new law.
In “private,” Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke “has expressed growing pessimism about the economy,” reportedly saying that “the first six months of this year will be “bad.” He also suggested that “there is better than a 50-50 chance for a recession” and believes the ensuing recovery will be “weak.”
“Many of the poorest people in the United States are still struggling to recover from the effects of a recession that ended six years ago, making them very vulnerable as the country stands on the brink of a new downturn.” In 2006, “12.3 percent of Americans were living in poverty, compared with 11.7 percent in 2001, the year of the last recession.”
The House has postponed votes on “criminal contempt citations against White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten and former White House counsel Harriet Miers” in order to foster “bipartisan unity” while working on an economic stimulus package.
Planned Parenthood “expects to raise at least $10 million over the next 10 months to recruit patients, as well as their friends and families, to lobby legislators and vote for candidates who support Planned Parenthood’s agenda. The campaign “will be the group’s most ambitious and expensive effort ever.”
“House Democrats have scheduled a vote Wednesday to override President Bush’s December veto of the $35 billion expansion of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program.”
The Writers Guild of America “will begin informal talks with studios” tomorrow “after agreeing to drop proposals to unionize reality and animation shows that had contributed to a negotiations impasse.” The talks “will be aimed at a resumption of full negotiations, both sides said in statements.”
“A new international ranking of environmental performance puts the United States at the bottom of the Group of 8 industrialized nations and 39th among the 149 countries on the list.” America “is slipping down,” according to researchers at Yale and Columbia, because of low scores on “greenhouse gas emissions and a pervasive problem with smog.”
And finally: Rep. Mike Simpson’s (R-ID) hair is “threatening to cascade past his shoulders in waves,” and colleagues are unhappy. Last week, a colleague “whisked past Simpson” in the Speaker’s Lobby and said, “Call Joe Q,” referring to the House barber. Simpson said that he also recently grew a beard after a trip to the Middle East, but he shaved it off after his wife “told him he looked like a terrorist.”
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While the Economy Suffers the Beginning Stages of Near Total Collapse Huge $696 Billion Defense Bill Passes 91 to 3!
…and Hillary and Barack can’t be bothered to show up and vote NO!
Why the Debt Crisis Is Now the Greatest Threat to the American Republic
…It is virtually impossible to overstate the profligacy of what our government spends on the military. The Department of Defense’s planned expenditures for fiscal year 2008 are larger than all other nations’ military budgets combined. The supplementary budget to pay for the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, not part of the official defense budget, is itself larger than the combined military budgets of Russia and China. Defense-related spending for fiscal 2008 will exceed $1 trillion for the first time in history.
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/30336
*** As I stated here yesterday, to overwhelming agreement, in order to save the economy the Defense Budget must be cut 25% immediately and 25% more in the short-term. The fact that this bill passed yesterday while the first fissures in our economic collapse became visible to all is synchronicity.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:03 amThe House has postponed votes on “criminal contempt citations against White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten and former White House counsel Harriet Miers 
Democrat leaders need to grow a spine.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:05 amThe world’s top 10 military spenders and the approximate amounts each country currently budgets for its military establishment are:
1. United States (FY08 budget), $623 billion
2. China (2004), $65 billion
3. Russia, $50 billion
4. France (2005), $45 billion
5. Japan (2007), $41.75 billion
6. Germany (2003), $35.1 billion
7. Italy (2003), $28.2 billion
8. South Korea (2003), $21.1 billion
9. India (2005 est.), $19 billion
10. Saudi Arabia (2005 est.), $18 billion
World total military expenditures (2004 est.), $1,100 billion
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:05 amWorld total (minus the United States), $500 billion
And finally: Rep. Mike Simpson’s (R-ID) hair is “threatening to cascade past his shoulders in waves,†and colleagues are unhappy. Last week, a colleague “whisked past Simpson†in the Speaker’s Lobby and said, “Call Joe Q,†referring to the House barber. Simpson said that he also recently grew a beard after a trip to the Middle East, but he shaved it off after his wife “told him he looked like a terrorist.â€
Not enough that all you GOP schmucks think alike ; you all need to look like the same type of nerd/squid , too ?
You want to be so easily recognized ? Don’t worry ; you stand out like sore thumbs when you start speaking about how great a leader Chimpy is , believe me………..
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:11 amWorld total military expenditures (2004 est.), $1,100 billion
World total (minus the United States), $500 billion
Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda — January 23, 2008 @ 9:05 am
We’re #1, we’re #1!
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:11 amWhat I see on the picture is 4 guys looking guilty and one looking arrogant.
What a team to lead the most powerful country on Earth!
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:14 amThe House has postponed votes on “criminal contempt citations against White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten and former White House counsel Harriet Miers†in order to foster “bipartisan unity†while working on an economic stimulus package.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:14 amWhat in the hell does a pair of Chimpy stooges committing a federal offense have to do with working on the economy ; and what is it going to take for the horseshit GOP to understand that the rule of law applies to everyone , or it is otherwise meaningless ?
“bipartisan unity†is code for “Congress, including the Democratic majority, will do whatever Bush wants.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:14 am“He (Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke) also suggested that “there is better than a 50-50 chance for a recession†and believes the ensuing recovery will be “weak.â€
Considering the last recession began in March of 2001, it’s only appropriate that Pres. Bush reside over two recessions during his 8 years.
Remember the 2001 recessionn didn’t start until March of 2001!
http://www.nber.org/cycles/recessions.html
“The March 2001 peak marked the end of the expansion that began in March 1991, an expansion that lasted exactly 10 years and was the longest in the NBER’s chronology.”
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:14 amBush “led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq’s links to al Qaeda.â€
Thats Republican “Christian” honesty for you……..
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:19 am#7,
Do you actually believe that “and justice for all…” exists in America?
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:20 amA new study by the Center for Public Integrity and the Fund for Independence in Journalism found that President Bush and his top officials issued 935 false statements about the threat from Iraq in the two years following 9/11. Bush “led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq’s links to al Qaeda.â€
What’s the Administration’s and the idiot trolls’ defense for this going to be ?
That at least they kept it under a 1,000 ?
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:20 am#12 – “What’s the Administration’s and the idiot trolls’ defense for this going to be ?” Comment by MCMetal — January 23, 2008 @ 9:20 am
You already know what their response is going to be:
September 11th!
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:22 am#6,
I see three playing pocket pool, one looking for used chewing gum, and a retard.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:23 am“In “private,†Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke “has expressed growing pessimism about the economy,†reportedly saying that “the first six months of this year will be “bad.â€
That’s in private. So, why are the brokers and news commentators saying “BUY”?
Or are they saying “BYE BYE” to your money?
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:23 amOnly 935 LIES about Iraq alone?? What a Pandora’s Box of impeachable offenses have we!! Let’s get on the stick, Congress, and join Wexler in moving toward impeachment of these LIARS and CONJOBS.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:24 am#7,
Do you actually believe that “and justice for all…†exists in America?
Comment by rocks911 — January 23, 2008 @ 9:20 am
Do you believe people are going to continue to put up with someone being given 17 years for supposedly filling out a bogus application while federal offenses are over-looked ?
The GOP is going to come to regret this behavior and flouting of the law………..
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:24 amBen Bernanke is a fraud just like the rest of the Bush Criminal Cronies.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:24 amNext, I’d like the Center for Public Integrity and the Fund for Independence in Journalism to compile a list of the hundreds of false statements from the White House and its surrogates DENYING that they’d in fact said any of these 259 statements.
Then, perhaps they could list all the statements from leaders in both parties about how this mass of falsehoods didn’t fundamentally damage the basic fabric of our democracy and how the dubious election of 2004 was a sufficient amount of accountability from a government which is supposed to be “of the people, by the people, and for the people”.
This last report would be, presumably, significantly shorter, and alas of little interest to the powers that be.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:24 amPresident Bush and his top officials issued 935 false statements about the threat from Iraq
Bush opens his mouth and out pops a lie. He has told so many lies in his tenure in the White House no one believes a word he says anymore. He’s a classic case of the “boy who cried wolf”.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:25 amThe House has postponed votes on “criminal contempt citations against White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten and former White House counsel Harriet Miers†in order to foster “bipartisan unity†while working on an economic stimulus package.
For Christ’s sake. If Chimp and the Congressional GOP don’t want to agree on a stimulus package, let them vote against it. It would be the Political Suicide Move of 2008, but I guess, like everything that might hurt the GOP, the Dems have gotta take it off the table.
By the way, I hope all the baseball guys who have been asked to testify about roids just don’t turn up. There’s clearly no reason to.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:26 amI like that: “America’s SLIPPING DOWN”??? Slipping down?? We’ve already gone down the rabbit hole and they’re claiming that we’re slipping down? We’re DOWN, that’s patently clear. Now it’s all about the “admitting it”…..americans’ incredulity about becoming a third world power will be a tough blow for egomaniacs to accept I predict. But in our collective gut, we know…..we know the truth about ourselves.
The truth about ourselves is the national LIE that our government IS NOT corrupt. (double negatives, sorry!).
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:27 amA new Iraqi law said to “return former Baathists to public life,†could actually “set off a new purge of ex-Baathists, the opposite of U.S. hopes for the legislation,†according to “Iraqi lawmakers, U.S. officials and former Baathists.â€
Well, I have to say that they have learned well from the Bush Administration. Give something a name that means the exact opposite like Bush’s “Clear Skies” and “Healthy Forests” initiatives. But, Bush had told them to come up with something he could call an accomplishment and this is what they did. One of the rightie pundits called the Iraqi law their first step towards civil rights. It looks like the law is the exact opposite.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:27 amHillary and Barack have their “My Pet Goat Moment”
The greatest threat to the country today is ECONOMIC. The Bloated Defense Budget is the greatest contributor to that threat.
Hillary and Barack were missing in action when the vote for the $696 Billion Defense Budget came up yesterday.
Neither could be bothered to return to Washington to help save the country from economic destruction by voting NO on the Defense Bill.
On 9/11 the Twin Towers came down. Yesterday’s passage of the Defense Bill ensured that there won’t be enough money for Healthcare, Reconstruction, Upgrading the Electric Grid or any of the other thousands of things that need to be done to ensure American’s Safety. How many American lives will be lost due to the passage of the Defense Bill? Many more than 3,000 I guess. And where the hell were Hillary and Barack??
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:28 amWe’re going to be responsible for a global financial collapse due to our shady dealings with the sale of sub-prime mortages around the world….slipping down? We have no morals or credibility left now. Yesterday we almost caused a global economic collapse and these morons are now just beginning to admit that this country is in the midst of a recession? Lies, lies, and more lies. How much can a person tolerate before they begin to acknowledge the truth?
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:29 amHe also suggested that “there is better than a 50-50 chance for a recession†and believes the ensuing recovery will be “weak.â€
What is with these people and why can’t they tell the truth. WE ARE IN A RECESSION and have been for months now. If we weren’t already in a recession, he would not have reduced interest rates .75.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:29 amDo you know what I enjoy about these early morning threads (although I’m usually too busy to contribute)?
Troll free!
Must be most are in the Mountain or Pacific time zone, and are still sleeping off their dungeons and dragons’ hangover.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:29 amNasdaq opens down 2.8%.
Why don’t people get it?
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:31 am#24 Hillary and Barak have achieved “rock star status” and have shown that they hold themselves above the responsibilities of their congressional oaths. This is the scary part: Bush broke through barriers that may never again become intact. Now the next Prez will do even more and this democracy will be no more. Once broken/ never reinstated is the way it works.
As for candidates who care, I’m looking seriously at John Edwards. This man knows what needs to occur first in this country in order to attempt to save it from self-consumption and self-destruction: It’s our fascist government being run by Big Corporations. He’s the ONLY one who knows what needs to be done and how to do it.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:31 amI believe that yes, even our sacred financial markets, are being manipulated by big corporations and their wholly-owned subsidiary, the Treasury Department of this administration. Americans are not being given the truth just as we didn’t give the truth when we sold those worthless mortgages…….it’s over except for the crying now. Anyone still fooling with the market is being manipulated by the propaganda and will end us losing it all.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:33 amThe US House wants to foster bi-partisan unity.
Morans!
They should never give up a chance to kick Bush and hte GOP in the proverbial nuggets every day.
Thanks Reid and Pelosi for being softies.
-GSD
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:34 amBush needs the Saudis to charge us big bucks for oil. The Saudis can’t lend the US Treasury and Citibank hundreds of billions of US dollars unless they first get these US dollars from the US. The high price of oil is, in effect, a tax levied by Bush but collected by the oil industry and the Gulf kingdoms to fund our multi-trillion dollar governmental and private debt-load.
- Greg Palast
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:34 amAs if our credibility in all other areas hadn’t hit rock bottom, now this! The Sub-prime scandal and it’s insidious mechanisms will finish the job.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:34 amThe House has postponed votes on “criminal contempt citations against White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten and former White House counsel Harriet Miers†in order to foster “bipartisan unity†while working on an economic stimulus package.
Please, please, please, send Ms. Pelosi an e-mail and tell her what you think about her lack of leadership skills.
http://speaker.gov/contact/comment_email
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:35 amGSD: The “bipartisan unity” to which Reid and Pelosi refer is your basic “capitulation” due to blackmail.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:35 amIn a time of universal corruption of Republicans, bipartisan unity = whistle, I will rollover and do tricks
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:35 amThe Dow Jones at this moment is down 250 points………
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:36 amBilbo: How disgusting these democrats have become! Do they really believe that these actions of rolling over and playing dead will elevate the rep of their party in the 08 elections?? Not with those who count most this time ’round: The Independents.
More and more independents are moving toward McCain as I see it. I’m not but so many are. The Dems can thank Pelosi and Reid for their derelection of duty for that movement.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:37 amPresident Bush and his top officials issued 935 false statements about the threat from Iraq in the two years following 9/11. Bush “led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq’s links to al Qaeda.â€
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Yeah!!!
Bush wins the “false statement” contest, though I think he could do better. Maybe a good lie or two about the economy? Maybe something like this from a speech he gave yesterday:
“so that an economy that is inherently strong gets a boost,”
way to go Bush! Keep up those lies!
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:37 amThe Writers Guild of America “will begin informal talks with studios†tomorrow
I find it rather disgusting that the studios had no problem settling with the producers and directors over the same issue as the writers. I guess that is because they are higher up the food chain than the writers, even though the writers are the heart and soul of the entertainment industry.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:37 amGSD: The “bipartisan unity†to which Reid and Pelosi refer is your basic “capitulation†due to blackmail.
Comment by Veritas — January 23, 2008 @ 9:35 am
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:37 amNo , they are simply enablers ; throw them the hell out with the rest of the dirty GOP bathwater…………..
Gunmen breach Gaza-Egypt wall
PALESTINIANS POUR OUT, SEEK SUPPLIES
Thousands of Palestinians poured into Egypt in desperate search of supplies denied them by Israel.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:38 am
“I’ve returned to Washington from the campaign trail to emphatically vote NO on the bloated, out-of-control Defense Bill. The country is on the verge of economic collapse. We must begin paying down the debt immediately to avoid catstrophe. This threat is IMMINENT and I cannot overstate the danger we are in!”
- Barack Obama, as reported in my dream from last night
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:38 amDoes anyone realize some people made a small fortune yesterday in the Stock Market?
If you know the market is going down, you can sell stocks you don’t even own in the morning.
Then, before the market closes, you buy those stocks at a lower price than you sold them.
That’s why there was a rebound at the end of the day yesterday. The wave of selling at opening forced prices down. Then, a flurry of buying at the end brought prices back up somewhat.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:39 amMcMetal: Yesterday’s move was just a “bandaid” on a huge gaping wound. When it crashes, these morons will be scratching their gonads and saying…”we didn’t see it coming”…just like they’re now just acknowledging something we all knew months ago – We’re in a “recession”.
It’s the old “Civil War” all over again – Bush hesitated to call it what it always has been – a Civil War – because he couldn’t admit it publicly. We’ve been in a recession and heading for a major depression but they know if they put the word out, people will jump out of the markets and it will crash perhaps prematurely.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:39 amBrise: Yes, yesterday was one huge “manipulation” by the fatcats!
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:39 am“A new international ranking of environmental performance puts the United States at the bottom of the Group of 8 industrialized nations and 39th among the 149 countries on the list.â€
It’s really too bad that our polluting the planet affects the entire planet and not just the United States. I feel bad that we are a major contributor to the eventual demise of mother earth. If I were a citizen of other countries, I would be very angry with the United States for our arrogance and lack of vision.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:39 amWhat I found cynically fascinating is how it all began on a 3-day weekend. How clever! How coy! To permit americans to be in a state of fear amped up by the fact that they couldn’t do a damn thing (helplessness that cripples the psyche)……
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:40 amComment by Veritas — January 23, 2008 @ 9:39 am
Sorry V ; I wish I had made the intelligent comment you mistakenly credited me with……..Alas, I did not.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:40 amBilbo: Someday Bush and his cadre of criminals will be held responsible for crimes in this arrogant repudiation of conventional science by the global community.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:41 amDemocrat leaders need to grow a spine.
Comment by rocks911
Democratic leaders need to grow a spine. I don’t recognize you and don’t know if you are a troll intentionally dissing the Democrats or a progressive who has bought into the Republicons way of dissing Democrats.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:42 amSorry McM….thought it was you! Good day to ya’ though.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:42 amDemocratic leaders have spinous processes – it’s the blackmailing of their evil deeds which smarts and compromises them.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:43 amI agree Veritas (@30),
and the purchase of the Wall Street Journal by Rupert Murdoch will only magnify the propaganda and accelerate our decline.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:44 amNasdaq down 2.04% Yesterday
Nasdaq down 2.46% Now
This, in spite of a 75 bp. cut by the Fed.
This, in spite of Bush’s ’stimulus package’
Money. Never. Lies.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:44 amWhat I see on the picture is 4 guys looking guilty and one looking arrogant.
What a team to lead the most powerful country on Earth!
Comment by drtichy
Hey now, Condi isn’t a “guy”, is she?
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:44 amSorry McM….thought it was you! Good day to ya’ though.
Comment by Veritas — January 23, 2008 @ 9:42 am
Same to you………..Though it’d be a much better day if we got the hell out of Iraq and ended poverty in the US 1st , and moved across the planet.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:44 amNot enough that all you GOP schmucks think alike ; you all need to look like the same type of nerd/squid , too ?
Comment by MCMetal — January 23, 2008 @ 9:11 am
I don’t know MCMetal, by the looks of this picture, I think maybe a haircut is in order:
http://www.43rdstateblues.com/?q=node/3495#comment
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:45 amNorman Podhoretz goes off the deep end again.
In an incredibly long-winded diatribe in the WSJ, Podhead again concludes that the US must immediately bomb the sh!t out of Iran because, well, because they probably will blow up the whole planet if we don’t. And because Israel just can’t do the job even though they are magnificent and beautiful and perfect.
ThinkProgress really ought to devote an entire post to this. And someone really needs to throw Podhoretz in the East River.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:46 amGood Morning camper’s…..For over seven year’s now I have been wondering what the Dem’s were going to do to protect and change the direction of this country.That’s right, I wondered why they were asleep at the switch at the beginning of this night mare of poitical take over…Play nice on purpose has worked so well for them and so bad for us and our country..
It is plane to see, they have no intention, never have, to bring these law breaker’s to justice..Hell why would they…..No one want’s to turn their family member’s in when they break the law…..It has become a huge family of law breaker’s and enabeler’s…What would make any sane voter think there will be a change when the leader’s of the house and senate have known before 9/11 about wire tapping and numerious other constitutional violation’s and done nothing but remain silent.Indeed voted for most of this mess ..Even if they get what they want, total control of the house and senate I don’t see any change’s coming down this pike at all, how can there be change’s in a bad team when there is no change in the player’s……Blessings all..Peace
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:47 amComment by dim wit — January 23, 2008 @ 9:45 am
I prefer an unusual look over the jack-booted , brown-shirt wearing typical Chimpy backer any day ………
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:48 amNasdaq down 14 out of last 17 sessions.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:50 amDoes anyone realize some people made a small fortune yesterday in the Stock Market?
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
What we know is that the dow is now at 11730. We also know that it was at 11000 when bush took office. we also know that it was at 3000 when Clinton took office….you kinda getting the idea. We also know that even bernake is having to admit that their policies have gotten us into a recession….mabe a bad one….that is affecting world markets.
We also know that the CBO says:
The budget deficit for the current budget year will jump to about $250
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080123/budget_deficit.html
you want to keep trying to spin this into something good?
before the trolls jump in about how we libs are cheering for this to happen I just want to say how stupid it would be for you to say that…..it was however predictable the moment bush was appointed.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:52 amThe House has postponed votes on “criminal contempt citations against White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten and former White House counsel Harriet Miers†in order to foster “bipartisan unity 
Then you must postpone the vote on renewing illegal spying on Americans and NEVER, EVER grant immunity to Telcoms.
BTW, ‘bipartisan unity’ does not spell IMMUNITY.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:52 am“President Bush’s success rating in the Democratic-controlled House has fallen this year to a half-century low, and he prevailed on only 14 percent of the 76 roll call votes on which he took a clear position.
“So far this year, Democrats have backed the majority position of their caucus 91 percent of the time on average on such votes. That marks the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years.”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1728952&mesg_id=1728952
http://public.cq.com/docs/cqt/news110-000002576765.html
Don’t let the media rhetoric fool you. The Democrats have acquitted themselves quite well–especially given their bare majority in both houses, and a relentlessly obstructionist Republican minority.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:52 amThe House has postponed votes on “criminal contempt citations against White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten and former White House counsel Harriet Miersâ€â€¦
Democrat leaders need to grow a spine.
no.
until the majority realise that its a one party, two faction state, nothing will change. few people have worked out the play. democrats raise the spectre of proceedings, carry it to the point of partial legitimacy then drop it. most people are left with a confused satisfaction that they atleast tried, when infact they did virtually nothing.
its a sham and a scam.
Hillary and Barack were missing in action when the vote for the $696 Billion Defense Budget came up yesterday.
Neither could be bothered to return to Washington to help save the country from economic destruction by voting NO on the Defense Bill.
see above. they are all compromised. the only solution is a clean political slate. including the removal of the federal reserve and speculative markets. money makers make money from your efforts. they contribute nothing. stop supply side economics and debt based living.
nobody really seems to be talking about how our current global economic crisis isnt because we arent working hard enough. we work and they extract all the value.
time for fundemantal change. time for a return to sensible equitable economics.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:55 amAs for candidates who care, I’m looking seriously at John Edwards. This man knows what needs to occur first in this country in order to attempt to save it from self-consumption and self-destruction: It’s our fascist government being run by Big Corporations. He’s the ONLY one who knows what needs to be done and how to do it.
Fat lot of good that will do you. Thanks to the MSM, Edwards is not considered to be a “viable” candidate. Every time I hear people say “he should drop out, he doesn’t have the support of the people”, I want to scream. He probably be the top candidate if the MSM hadn’t decided that he was not their candidate of choice. It think this is because the Republiscums are scared of him.
When I have asked people I know why they are not supporting Edwards, they say, “because he doesn’t have a chance to win”, and I’ve heard the same thing about Kucinich.
It’s time we change our election system and do away with the electoral college and the two party system. Until that happens, we will continue to slip down the rabbit hole towards fascism.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:58 ami won’t go there myself, but, in case you haven’t heard,
he’s at it again… or still…
Stopping Iran
Wall Street Journal – 9 hours ago
By NORMAN PODHORETZ Up until a fairly short time ago, scarcely anyone dissented from the assessment offered with “high confidence” by the National Intelligence Estimate of 2005 that Iran was “determined to develop nuclear weapons.
Video: UN Security Council & Germany united over Iran RussiaToday
Russia Says New Iran Resolution Not Punitive Voice of America
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:00 amBilbo, we the voter’s and our choice’s are shunned…..Kucinich and Edwar’s are truthful and for the people so they are excluded…It isn’t going to matter at all and if it doe’s appear we were able to get our people in they will just rig the f***ing machine’s anyway…..Game set match goes to the neocon’s on both side’s……Blessings
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:03 amComment by dim wit — January 23, 2008 @ 9:45 am
I prefer an unusual look over the jack-booted , brown-shirt wearing typical Chimpy backer any day ………
Comment by MCMetal — January 23, 2008 @ 9:48 am
Damn dude. It was a joke. Did you even bother clicking on the link?
Geez, the economy is tanking, Bush is lying, the US of A is polluting, but do we have to lose our sense of humor too?
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:05 amDoes anyone realize some people made a small fortune yesterday in the Stock Market?
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Before the trolls jump in about how we libs are cheering for this to happen I just want to say how stupid it would be for you to say that
Comment by Fred — January 23, 2008 @ 9:52 am
There are all sorts of trading strategies to make money when the market is up or down. There are also many short-term TRADING stategies to take advantage of extreme market volatility, as happened yesterday.
However, most people are INVESTORS, not traders. Most people in the market are feeling extreme pain.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:05 amBilbo, we the voter’s and our choice’s are shunned…..Kucinich and Edwar’s are truthful and for the people so they are excluded…It isn’t going to matter at all and if it doe’s appear we were able to get our people in they will just rig the f***ing machine’s anyway…..Game set match goes to the neocon’s on both side’s……Blessings
Comment by Witch1
Witch, I would like to respectfully take issue with your heartbreaking assessment. If what you say is true then it is game over…there is no point in discussing it. I don’t think all democrats are in the same pile with the repubs just yet….
With democrats in power(and I include hillary and obama) I have never had to worry about unitary presidential powers. I have never had to worry about premtive wars of aggression. I know they are taking the money and rolling on a lot of things but that could be eventually changed if we get democrats elected….not so sure if another republican gets elected….just sayin…..
disclaimer: I personally would like to see Dennis or John as the nominee….but I will pull the lever for any democrat.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:11 amshould keep watch on this:
Proposed health care plan faces do-or-die vote today
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:11 amSan Jose Mercury News – 2 hours ago
By Mike Zapler SACRAMENTO – The sweeping health care package backed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and legislative leaders faces a do-or-die vote in a Senate committee today amid signs of fraying support among Democrats – and an explosive new report …
State health reform may be pricey prospect San Francisco Chronicle
Doubts over health plan grow Los Angeles Times
Marc Grossman, who has been named in the Sibel Edmonds case as allegedly receiving bribes from Turkish and Israeli agents and warning the Turkish Embassy to stay away from Valerie Plame Wilson’s “Brewster Jennings” front company, will be testifying tomorrow morning (Wed.) before a sub-committee of Henry Waxman’s House Oversight committee.
Edmonds is urging bloggers and other willing media to show up to the hearings, with video cameras and questions for the former #3 man at the State Dept., who, she alleges, was heard on wiretaps as being complicit in a scheme to smuggle nuclear secrets to the worldwide nuclear black market. If the U.S. media won’t do their job on this, as the UK’s Guardian notes today, then it’s up to the alternative media to do it for them. Tomorrow morning might be a great chance.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:12 amThe Center for Public Integrity is on C=Span 3 now, giving their report of what their investigative study learned.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:23 amAs for candidates who care, I’m looking seriously at John Edwards. This man knows what needs to occur first in this country in order to attempt to save it from self-consumption and self-destruction: It’s our fascist government being run by Big Corporations. He’s the ONLY one who knows what needs to be done and how to do it.
Comment by Veritas — January 23, 2008 @ 9:31 am
You are nearly correct in this. The only drawback is Edwards is CFR…Council on Foreign Relations, who are pushing for the Unified World currency through Globalization, and his cozy relationship with AIPAC, just like Obama, Hillary, and practically everyone else.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124×118307
The ONLY ones NOT affiliated with CFR and AIPAC are Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:26 amGood Morning Fred,…….I will vote, for who I will decide in Nov…Going to the CaCa’s (spelled wrong on purpose) to try and get the change’s we need but I am very pesamistic at this point…The fact the Dem’s keep side stepping the major issues like holding these people accountable or even talking about it make’s me weary and suspicious…The dem’s of today are nothing like the fighter’s we had many year’s ago, just my opinion….Palosi and Reid do not diserve my respect and most of the incumbent’s don’t diserve my vote’s either…Not only have they allowed all this to happen in silence they have voted along with it…In my opinion they were driving the get away car for the bank robber’s….You have a good day.. Good post’s as usual…..Blessings
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:27 amMarc Grossman, who has been named in the Sibel Edmonds case as allegedly receiving bribes from Turkish and Israeli agents and warning the Turkish Embassy to stay away from Valerie Plame Wilson’s “Brewster Jennings†front company, will be testifying tomorrow morning (Wed.) before a sub-committee of Henry Waxman’s House Oversight committee.
Comment by Marie — January 23, 2008 @ 10:12 am
Think Ostrich still has its head in the sand. Think Ostrich pretends this story doesn’t exist. What excuse can Think Ostrich use to avoid this story, now that it crosses paths with the Valerie Plame story? Now that we have evidence that Valerie Plame/Brewster Jennings was outed two years before Scooter Libby?
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:33 amBush opens his mouth and out pops a lie. He has told so many lies in his tenure in the White House no one believes a word he says anymore. He’s a classic case of the “boy who cried wolfâ€.
Comment by bilbobaggins — January 23, 2008 @ 9:25 am
Ah — but the new standard is that you can tell as many lies as you want, just so long as you don’t do it under oath. When Clinton lied about his sex life, he got impeached. Bush and his merry men have lied far more, and in ways that affect us far more deeply — but since they weren’t under oath, it’s OK.
What’s wrong with this picture?
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:34 amProof in the pudding, the House Judiciary is adept at playing the game that Justice always seems to get away with, the lack of interest in bringing in the criminal.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:34 amWhat has the ecomony got to do with any of this? Law is law, if one ignores subpoena the cops knock on the door.
Somebody subpoena Pelosi and Leahy to find out what is up in their Congress. They make our Goverment look like there aiding the criminals themselves.
“I think you reserve impeachment for grave, grave breeches, and intentional breeches of the president’s authority,…I believe if we began impeachment proceedings we will be engulfed in more of the politics that has made Washington dysfunction,…We would once again, rather than attending to the people’s business, be engaged in a tit-for-tat, back-and-forth, non-stop circus.â€
- Barack Obama explaining that lying our country to war, outing an undercover CIA agent, illegally wiretapping its citizens and torturing prisoners denied habeas corpus are not grave offenses.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:35 amPresident Bush and his top officials issued 935 false statements…
False statements are LIES! Dinkledorf LIED 935 times! But Clinton lied about a blow job! Impeach him!
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:37 amComment by dim wit — January 23, 2008 @ 9:45 am
I prefer an unusual look over the jack-booted , brown-shirt wearing typical Chimpy backer any day ………
Comment by MCMetal — January 23, 2008 @ 9:48 am
Damn dude. It was a joke. Did you even bother clicking on the link?
Geez, the economy is tanking, Bush is lying, the US of A is polluting, but do we have to lose our sense of humor too?
Comment by dim wit — January 23, 2008 @ 10:05 am
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:39 amI did click onto the link ; and I’d prefer that cartoon look to the Chimpy nut hugger crowd (seriously)………You have to see some of the GOP squids I have to deal with ; those typical college Republican type losers , who still dress that way , 20-30 years later………
Thank’s for the info Marie…Good to read you, 2 million and all here today…Blessings
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:40 amdocumented lies by bushies…..and the trolls get their backs up when we call shrub a liar………here’s the proof.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080123/ap_on_go_pr_wh/misinformation_study;_ylt=ApOSIxZkMNC_rJ5kKOWI85es0NUE
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:40 amThanks for the heads up, Marie!
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:43 am“[B]ipartisan unityâ€. How has that worked for you the last twelve years? The Dems need a new moniker like GOP for Republicans. How about GAGA for Go Along To Get Along or WEYS for What Ever You Say? Of course they’ve always been Republicrates.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:45 amWitch1; You are right. The GOP commits treason, war crimes, and high crimes and misdemeanors. The Democrats then take impeachment off the table, cave-in to every whim of the wannabe fuhrer, and refuse to hold any meaningful oversight or investigation.
Why do Republicans AND Democrats HATE America?
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:45 amThe House has postponed votes on “criminal contempt citations against White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten and former White House counsel Harriet Miers†in order to foster “bipartisan unity†while working on an economic stimulus package.
H O R S E – F U C K I N G – S H I T !
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:49 am88 Uncle ho and Witch1…..It is infuriating and beyond explaination….also almost unforgivable………looks like if they had any intention of doing the right thing on any level that they would signal that but they don’t…..disheartening…
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:49 amAmerica sure could use a viable, honest 3rd Party right now.
Just say’n…
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:49 amFalse statements are LIES! Dinkledorf LIED 935 times! But Clinton lied about a blow job! Impeach him!
Comment by stewarjt — January 23, 2008 @ 10:37 am
Of course, your sarcasm is on point and I agree. Where the opposition draws its difference is that Clinton was under oath, therefore he was guilty of a crime. (Forced to testify about an embarrassing personal matter irrelevant to the office of the President, pursuant to a baseless and partisan witchhunt by the opposition is a valid argument in Clinton’s favor, but beside the point.)
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:49 amBush&Company do not testify under oath — given a pass by friends in high places, they speak either off the record, or without transcript, or they do not speak at all, and refuse subpoenaes.
We all suspected the real reason for their not testifying individually, nor under oath as implicit proof of their lying, but people who opposed Bush&Co were effectively shut out, overruled and ignored.
there will be NO bipartisan unity….
who is retarded enough to think there will be?
goddamn it this crap has ran its course 10 times now!
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:50 amFred, 20million,
I was not trying to spin this into something good, just a reality check on why stocks rebounded at the end of the day. Stocks opened lower again today, as this daily cycle will continue in a macabre spiral into recession/depression.
Time to watch the old movie, “Rollover”
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:53 amThe House has postponed votes on “criminal contempt citations against White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten and former White House counsel Harriet Miers†in order to foster “bipartisan unity†while working on an economic stimulus package.
H O R S E – F U C K I N G – S H I T !
Comment by Fan of Man — January 23, 2008 @ 10:49 am
It takes weak-tea Dems a full year to issue contempt charges? BS. They’re partners in crime. No other logical conclusion can be drawn.
They had a chance to help the economy yesterday by cutting the Defense Bill 25%. They chose not to. Now sit and watch the economy fall off a cliff and take millions of Americans with it.
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:57 am#51 bilbobaggins,
Those are my only choices for a label?
I really dont care whether you recognize me or not, I’ve been here for a couple of years now.
I’m none of the things you’ve ascribed to me, I’m of the opinion that they don’t deserve the title “Democratic”. They are quickly becoming DemocRATS in my book.
And not that it matters but I have been a member of the Democratic party my whole life.
Knee jerk someone else.
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:00 am94…sorry if I misunderstood your message……this just seems to be happening and it’s like wathing a car wreck in slow motion…….
many are still distracted by other things and I feel like this is the story for right now that deserves our attention……if this goes badly, the rest of it will be irrelivant and I don’t think enough people are getting that……
I’m not an alarmist……but look at the numbers…..the world markets, etc.
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:00 amCaption:
‘Shootout in the Green Zone’
(While we’re in Texas)
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:03 amWhen Clinton lied about his sex life, he got impeached. Bush and his merry men have lied far more, and in ways that affect us far more deeply — but since they weren’t under oath, it’s OK.
What’s wrong with this picture?
Comment by missmolly — January 23, 2008 @ 10:34 am
Technically, Clinton did not lie. As per definition of “sex” during the Paula Jones (proper usage of male and female anatomy), Clinton did not have “sex” with Monica. He was found, during impeachment hearings, contempt of court (and was disbarred).
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:05 amHere in lies the difference. Clinton misled under oath about a questionable immoral act, and was ruthlessly attacked (yet still remained quite popular). Bush misleads numerous times, not under oath, causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians and our soldiers, is one of the most, if not the most, unpopular president, yet he gets a pass from impeachment?
Bull $hit!
The Right! You should be so ashamed! Yet for the few who support (troll du jour), the others distance themselves from Heir Dubya. Again, Bull $hit! He fcked this country, hard! Don’t “distance” from your abductor. Do something!
(Look at McCain, strutting about how he would and could get Osama Bin Laden if president. Really? Is that what you were whispering in Bush’s ear as you hugged him like a long lost brother? As you blindly followed this administration’s every single lie. You still support the Iraqi occupation! WTF does that have to do with Bin Laden? McCain, you’re a fool!)
Reality Bites (Back)
http://leftopia.blogspot.com/2008/01/reality-bites-back.html
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:09 am96 Comment by rocks911
been there with katy and bilbo…….they have no patience with it. And no interest in finding out first……
I was looking for what I described as a democrat doctor and you would have thought that I had shot MLK….I would just like to say to the “regulars” that you could be a little more polite trying to make your points about things like this, at least until you are sure who you are dealing with…..I too have been a lifelong democrat….my grandparents were democrats under FDR….
If you had politely stated why this offended I’m pretty sure it would have been received well by rocks and myself…..
I also don’t understand why you guys think that just because you have been here for years that your opinions should carry more weight than others……just sayin….
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:13 am“They had a chance to help the economy yesterday by cutting the Defense Bill 25%. They chose not to. Now sit and watch the economy fall off a cliff and take millions of Americans with it.”
Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda
And just where do you think this defense department cash goes to?
The suppliers. And though suppliers might occasionally overcharge, or mis-bill, by and large they are just honest, hard-working citizens who try to make the best product possible for their client. I work for one of these suppliers, and we work damned hard to jump through all the govermental hoops requisite to conducting business. We all pay taxes, have families (and debts) and don’t like hearing about others who sometimes overcharge, since it paints us all in a bad color. But to say we should slash 25% of the military budget is short-sighted, and would throw additional thousands onto the welfare rolls at exactly the wrong time.
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:26 amPardon, but with a 25% decrease in military spending, make that millions more on the unemployment line (and for some, the welfare rolls).
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:28 am1. United States (FY08 budget), $623 billion
2. China (2004), $65 billion
3. Russia, $50 billion
4. France (2005), $45 billion
5. Japan (2007), $41.75 billion
6. Germany (2003), $35.1 billion
7. Italy (2003), $28.2 billion
8. South Korea (2003), $21.1 billion
9. India (2005 est.), $19 billion
10. Saudi Arabia (2005 est.), $18 billion
barfly, maybe we could find you a job doing something peaceful….maybe space exploration…..renewable energy….you know….these figures are out of line with common sense.
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:33 amPardon, but with a 25% decrease in military spending, make that millions more on the unemployment line (and for some, the welfare rolls).
Comment by barfly — January 23, 2008 @ 11:28 am
Well boo-hoo. Retrain them to do something else with the money saved.
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:33 amBut to say we should slash 25% of the military budget is short-sighted, and would throw additional thousands onto the welfare rolls at exactly the wrong time.
Comment by barfly
I appreciate your posts but this one is wrong.
We all talk about how the world would be great without poverty, but when it is required from us to make some material sacrifice in order to try to achieve that goal, everybody goes…oh, well, I didn’t mean exactly that, you know? I really need those 4 TVs.
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:42 amMy how 10 years have changed things:
1998
It’s not about the sex. It’s about the lie.
Clinton impeached
2008
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:49 amBush “led with 259 false statements.
Bush not impeached.
And just where do you think this defense department cash goes to?
The suppliers. And though suppliers might occasionally overcharge, or mis-bill, by and large they are just honest, hard-working citizens who try to make the best product possible for their client. I work for one of these suppliers, and we work damned hard to jump through all the govermental hoops requisite to conducting business. We all pay taxes, have families (and debts) and don’t like hearing about others who sometimes overcharge, since it paints us all in a bad color. But to say we should slash 25% of the military budget is short-sighted, and would throw additional thousands onto the welfare rolls at exactly the wrong time.
i’d say time to get a new profession…. we should cut military spending by 50%!
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:52 amIt’s deja vu all over again…
Iraq on the Record
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:59 amPardon, but with a 25% decrease in military spending, make that millions more on the unemployment line (and for some, the welfare rolls).
Comment by barfly — January 23, 2008 @ 11:28 am
Are you kidding? There’s no such thing as an unemployed defense contractor. Even if the government slashed the defense budget by 25%, there are plenty of other countries out there willing to buy from Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, and the others.
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:06 pmPardon, but with a 25% decrease in military spending, make that millions more on the unemployment line…
Comment by barfly
Good, we’ll use that money to put them to work rebuilding the roads and bridges.
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:09 pm#111,
Roads and bridges indeed, since when is our national government supposed to build the American taxpayer roads and bridges, Iraqis yes, but Americans? Besides, I think the road to Crawford Texas is in fine shape.
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:12 pm.these figures are out of line with common sense.
Comment by Fred — January 23, 2008 @ 11:33 am
Why do you say that, Fred? These figures look approximately correct to me. It has already been widely reported in credible sources that the U.S. spends more money than all other countries in the world combined on defense. I suggest doing a little research with google before jumping to conclusions.
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:17 pm“Good, we’ll use that money to put them to work rebuilding the roads and bridges.”
Comment by shoeless
Just like Vietnam?
No thanks, comrade.
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:19 pm“Are you kidding? There’s no such thing as an unemployed defense contractor. Even if the government slashed the defense budget by 25%, there are plenty of other countries out there willing to buy from Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, and the others.”
Comment by toasterhead
And the sub-contractors just take it on the chin (or in the neck)? Our company builds components that no other company can replicate, for the price. That’s no other company in the world.
Although we also do a sizeable portion of non-govermental work, we also manufacture ammo-delivery chutes for apache helicopters. Do you think some rinky-dink start-up is going to be able to offer these much-needed parts to the government at a lesser cost? Dream on.
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:25 pmSo building roads and bridges for Americans makes one a communist?
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:27 pmWow, what convoluted logic!
“barfly, maybe we could find you a job doing something peaceful….maybe space exploration…..renewable energy….you know….these figures are out of line with common sense.”
Comment by Fred
As I said we do a mix of manufacturing – and we’ve just been bought out by a larger company, which doesn’t do any Defense work. But the mil/indust. complex is now too complex to just lop off a section, and not expect it to impact many other governmental functions, and nominally government employees.
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:30 pmYeah, that doesn’t stink. Nope, not one bit. Bipartisan unity – that’s what they’re calling it these days.
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:31 pm935 ‘MISTATEMENTS’ which led us into war, cost 1.8 trillion dollars & wounded thousands + 3800 dead, created more terrorist, & destroyed america’s image as a country of laws.
while clinton opened his zipper & said define what ‘IT’ is.
the WORSTEST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE US!
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:31 pmSo building roads and bridges for Americans makes one a communist?
Wow, what convoluted logic!
Comment by rocks911
It would require an economically-forced retraining, for many. That smacks of … guess what?
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:31 pmwith military spending as the main butress for a nations economy war is completely inevitable.
talk of a financial/oil/political/military/industrial oligarcy is no longer the stuff of fantasy. its in your face reality. and until that system is cracked NOTHING will change. NOTHING !
end the grip of “wall street” and “the city of london”, they are the root cause of economic and military problems domestically and internationally.
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:34 pmthese figures are out of line with common sense.
Comment by Fred — January 23, 2008 @ 11:33 am
Why do you say that, Fred? These figures look approximately correct to me. It has already been widely reported in credible sources that the U.S. spends more money than all other countries in the world combined on defense. I suggest doing a little research with google before jumping to conclusions.
Comment by VerbalKint
hmm BerbalKint, I may have been foggy in my statement….I believe the figures are at least as you say approximately correct…..what I meant was that for us to be spending that much money on defense is what must defy common sense….sorry if I wasn’t clear…..
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:43 pmIt would require an economically-forced retraining, for many. That smacks of … guess what?
Comment by barfly — January 23, 2008 @ 12:31 pm
Capitalism?
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:43 pm“It would require an economically-forced retraining, for many. That smacks of … guess what?”
And sending jobs overseas as the Republic666ans have loved to do since Raygun is, what… patriotic I suppose.
Ending the stranglehold of the MIC as President Eisenhower warned is the priority, if you’ve got to find a different job so be it. Maybe you could assemble strawmen.
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:43 pmIt would require an economically-forced retraining, for many. That smacks of … guess what?
Comment by barfly
yeah…..I think I understand your point, it smacks of something FDR might have done…..is that what the guess what part is?
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:46 pmWhere on earth is our stock market guru gg? Out buying more stocks this AM????
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:02 pmSo building roads and bridges for Americans makes one a communist?
Wow, what convoluted logic!
Comment by rocks911
Yeah, the right-wing fanatics who call themselves Republicans these days are so far gone they would consider Dwight Eisenhower a communist.
“To protect the vital interest of every citizen in a safe and adequate highway system, the Federal Government is continuing its central role in the Federal Aid Highway Program.”- Dwight Eisenhower 1954 SOTU Address
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:16 pmDecrease the defense budget by 25%? 50%>?? Daryll would have to go find a real job! Get real! /snark…
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:22 pm#131 Why are you referencing your own post at #128?>?
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:23 pmGeebus, you are lame.
President Bush and his top officials issued 935 false statements about the threat from Iraq in the two years following 9/11.
Everything they’ve done to destroy our country they’ve wrapped in a 9-11 blanket.
Just as it is now known that past wars have been based on lies.
It will someday also be known that this administration was way more than just a spoke in the wheel of the machine that planned 9-11.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:27 pm128. Not true. The Federal Highway system is a good system, supported by most Conservatives.
Comment by good_golly — January 23, 2008 @ 1:19 pm
COMMUNIST!!! ROTFL, you’re STUPID! Actually much of the system is CRUMBLING, because the GOP destroyed the train system, and there are so many commercial trucks that the roads can’t handle it. All the while you CHEAP MORONS don’t want to PROPERLY FUND the infrastructure. So NO it is NOT SUPPORTED by Conservatives, otherwise they’d FUND IT PROPERLY – MORON!
Comment by republicans hate facts
He meant the Iraq Federal Highway System.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:31 pmLooks like gorsh gawly soiled this thread, then romped on to soil another. Someone get a rolled up newspaper ready…
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:35 pm130,
You spelled it wrong, it’s supposed to be “Conserv666ative”, as in anti-Christian war mongering black hearted micreants.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:40 pmBack to the subject. Here is a topical thread from TVNEWSLIES:
27 pages of Bush’s LIES
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:27 pmBy the way, going back to a conversation from last week — Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism” premiered at #10 on The New York Times best-seller list in its first-week of release:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/books/bestseller/0127besthardnonfiction.html
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:47 pmHey Exley, speaking of Fascism, take a gander at these 16 requirements for Nazi Fascism
see if it rings any bells.
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:29 pmBy the way, going back to a conversation from last week — Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism†premiered at #10 on The New York Times best-seller list in its first-week of release:
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2008/ 01/ 27/ books/ bestseller/ 0127besthardnonfiction.html
Comment by Exley
That just shows how many moronic right-wingers are willing to put down cash for a book full of lies written by a fellow dumbass wingnut.
We saw Goldberg get destroyed by Jon Stewart on A Daily Show last week, when the fool tried to equate fascism with liberalism and socialism. The problem with that is, Jonah Goldberg doesn’t get to decide what fascism is. The guy who invented fascism already did that.
Benito Mussolini:
What is Fascism, 1932
Fascism [is] the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism…
Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness…
And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society….
After Socialism, Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application.
Given that the nineteenth century was the century of Socialism, of Liberalism, and of Democracy, it does not necessarily follow that the twentieth century must also be a century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy: political doctrines pass, but humanity remains, and it may rather be expected that this will be a century of authority…a century of Fascism.
January 23rd, 2008 at 3:45 pmAre you suggesting these copies where all bought by individual readers thus indicating a true desire on the part of a large part of the population? It seems much more likely that as is often the case large numbers where purchased by a few parties with a vested interest in trying to make your scenario seem pausable. I am sure you know how that game is played
January 23rd, 2008 at 4:41 pm“yeah…..I think I understand your point, it smacks of something FDR might have done…..is that what the guess what part is?”
Comment by Fred
That’s a silly comparison. So, you’d take aircraft maufacturing specialists, with decades of experience each – and stick shovels in their hands? Try Communist Vietnam, and “re-education camps,” Fred.
January 23rd, 2008 at 5:09 pmTry Communist Vietnam, and “re-education camps,†Fred.
Comment by barfly
Each person must find their own way. Why continue the “corporate welfare” for “skilled” workers, if their wares aren’t truly needed?
THAT reeks of socialism more than your binary option.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:12 pmThat’s a silly comparison. So, you’d take aircraft maufacturing specialists, with decades of experience each – and stick shovels in their hands? Try Communist Vietnam, and “re-education camps,†Fred.
Comment by barfly
So, you are saying we must continue to bankrupt the country with massive defense spending for no other reason than to keep aircraft manufacturing specialists employed, while our infrastructure deteriorates because road and bridge repair specialists sit idle for lack of funds to employ them?
Oh yeah, that is Reaganomics.
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:24 pm“So, you are saying we must continue to bankrupt the country with massive defense spending for no other reason than to keep aircraft manufacturing specialists employed, while our infrastructure deteriorates because road and bridge repair specialists sit idle for lack of funds to employ them?
Oh yeah, that is Reaganomics.”
Comment by shoeless
You must like strawmen. Re-read my posts.
I challenge you to draw the line. What is “good” defense spending, and what is “bad” defense spending? Should we stop making ammo chutes for Apaches, and learn to build aqueducts? Who’s going to swallow the transition costs?
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:42 pmYou must like strawmen. Re-read my posts.
Comment by barfly
LOL, what a buffoon! Yeah, let’s reread one of your posts.
So, you’d take aircraft maufacturing specialists, with decades of experience each – and stick shovels in their hands? Try Communist Vietnam, and “re-education camps,†Fred.
Comment by barfly
That is one world class straw man you set up there, you fool.
I challenge you to draw the line. What is “good†defense spending, and what is “bad†defense spending? Should we stop making ammo chutes for Apaches, and learn to build aqueducts? Who’s going to swallow the transition costs?
Comment by barfly
Don’t worry your little neocon mind about it. The amount of money we waste on defense spending will easily cover any transition costs.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:32 am