ThinkFast: January 24, 2008
ThinkFast: January 24, 2008
Americans United for Change plans to spend $8.5 million in an effort to “make sure President Bush’s public approval doesn’t improve as his days in the White House come to an end.” The bulk of the money will be spent on advertising that keeps the focus on the Bush administration’s failures.
A new Harris Poll finds that Americans are unhappy with the current state of the union, a few days before President Bush gives his own State of the Union address on Monday. Eighty-one percent of Americans believe “the current state of the country is fair or poor” and 66 percent say the Iraq war is “going poorly.”
A group of nearly 200 “climate experts, scientists, and mayors” will deliver a “State of Climate” assessment today, ahead of Bush’s State of the Union speech. “[T]oday our nation stands virtually alone in the world community in refusing to accept the need for decisive action,” they report. “We regret to report that the state of the nation’s climate policy is poor.”
“I am a Republican, and at times I’m embarrassed by the lack of cooperation that this president and his appointees have had with the legislative branch,” said Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) in a hearing yesterday. “There is a seething resentment by members of Congress who are Republicans by the fact that this administration has not even cooperated with us.”
American-backed Sunni militias “are being hit with a wave of assassinations and bomb attacks, threatening a fragile linchpin of the military’s strategy to pacify the nation.” American officials warn that the “recent onslaught is jeopardizing” security gains that have been made.
After meeting with military officials, Rep. Ike Skelton (D-MO) opened an Armed Services Committee hearing yesterday stating, “We currently risk a strategic failure in Afghanistan.”
“Bipartisan unity” on the House investigation into the destruction of the CIA’s torture tapes has been “shredded” by “squabbling and dissension.” House Permanent Select Intelligence Committee Chairman Silvestre Reyes (D-TX) and Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) “are at odds over witness lists, cooperating with the Senate and the very direction of the investigation itself.”
Writing in the WSJ, former President Bill Clinton and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) advocate “helping the ‘unbanked’ enter the financial mainstream by opening checking and savings accounts.” Americans spend $8 billion annually “at check-cashing outlets, payday lenders and pawnshops on basic financial services” that most can get from checking accounts.
A McKinsey report finds, “at an oil price of $70 a barrel, the six nations of the Gulf Cooperation Council would earn a cumulative $6.2 trillion by 2020, or more than triple the amount they earned from 1993 through 2006. Decisions by Gulf leaders on how to use this wealth will have global repercussions for decades.”
And finally: Striking writers yesterday performed a mock debate on Capitol Hill for members of Congress and the media. The forum was moderated by former White House Press Secretary Dee Dee Myers. Representing the Writers Guild of America cause were writers from The Daily Show, and on the network executive side were Colbert Report writers. While lawmakers raised “serious issues,” “they also couldn’t resist doing a little stand-up.”
What did we miss? Let us know in the comments section.
Chris Dodd’s Filibuster Begins Again TODAY!
*** 5 ALARM ACTION ALERT ***
Everyone here needs to call, fax or email your Senator(s) or as many Senators as you can, and DEMAND they Support Chris Dodd in his Filibuster to Save the 4th Amendment!
No Excuses. You have time to make 3 or 4 calls to defeat Cheney’s Legislation.
1-800-828-0498
January 24th, 2008 at 9:04 am1-800-459-1857
(free call, white house operator, ask them to connect you to your Senator)
Also, if you’re industrious, please place an ad on as many websites as you can urging others to call their Senators and Demand they support Chris Dodd in his Filibuster to Save the 4th Amendment.
We need to OVERWHELM Washington with calls, faxes and emails.
Harry Reid has turned on the Democrats and is supporting Dick Cheney’s legislation which would give retroactive imminity to the telco’s who’ve been spying on us illegally since before 9/11. This is UNACCEPTABLE.
The bill also allows basket warrants. So you could be spied on because you’re caught up in a “basket”. This is UNACCEPTABLE.
Let all your fury and anger out today in a torrent of calls & emails. Don’t stop.
1-800-828-0498
January 24th, 2008 at 9:08 am1-800-459-1857
(free call, white house operator, ask them to connect you to your Senator)
Got an address for Americans United For Change? I will donate big money to keep negative ads about Bush around.
Rohrabacher should be more than embarrassed about the lack of cooperation from the White House. Where is his outrage?
January 24th, 2008 at 9:12 amUS military officials today also confirmed that they are building bases in Iraq that we stay in place for decades. Small story, but worth at least a nod i feel.
I just heard John McCain talking about a strategy of failure in pulling out troops from Iraq. I just heard him use the phrase radical islamic extremism. Is this what anyone wants to hear anymore? Surely Republicans understand that the world has changed and nobody wants war anymore!
January 24th, 2008 at 9:14 amGiGi; go crawl back into your sewer-where you belong.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:14 amWhat a sad, vindictive waste of $8.5 million. How many better uses there are for such an amount of money.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:15 am“I am a Republican, and at times I’m embarrassed by the lack of cooperation that this president and his appointees have had with the legislative branch,†said Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) in a hearing yesterday. “There is a seething resentment by members of Congress who are Republicans by the fact that this administration has not even cooperated with us.â€
Yet, Rohrabacher, and members of Congress who are Republicans, continue to vote for and support the Bush agenda.
Theresa
January 24th, 2008 at 9:15 am…and 66 percent say the Iraq war is “going poorly.â€
I guess the neoCON’s “the surge is working and everything in Iraq is coming up roses” isn’t playing well in Peoria. I am so glad that a majority of our nation has finally come to realize that these guys can’t be trusted.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:16 am“[T]oday our nation stands virtually alone in the world community in refusing to accept the need for decisive action,†they report. “We regret to report that the state of the nation’s climate policy is poor.â€
November, 2008 can’t come soon enough!
January 24th, 2008 at 9:16 amComment by Uncle Ho — January 24, 2008 @ 9:12 am
http://americansunitedforchange.org/
If you would prefer to contribute by mail, send a check to:
Americans United For Change
1825 K Street, N.W., Suite 206
Washington, D.C. 20006
the new ads are available on the website as well.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:18 am“There is a seething resentment by members of Congress who are Republicans by the fact that this administration has not even cooperated with us.â€
Well, there can’t be too many who have a “seething resentment” since the majority of them still walk in lock-step with Bush. But, they do this at their own peril. The public isn’t happy and even a lot of Republicans are not happy and are going to show these Bush sycophants how unhappy they are in the voting booth.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:19 am“Americans United for Change plans to spend $8.5 million in an effort to “make sure President Bush’s public approval doesn’t improve as his days in the White House come to an end.†”
They don’t need to spend any money, Pres. Bush was been, is, and will always remain a miseable failure. It’s only the blin 28%-ers that are fooled all the time and continue to support the failure that is the Bush Legacy.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:19 amI throw out this challenge to the Hillary and Barack supporters.
Get on the phone and demand that they support Chris Dodd’s Filibuster of the despicable FISA legislation. The bill provides retroactive immunity to phones companies who illegally spied on us for years (and before 9/11) without a warrant. It also allows warrants to be issued in “basketsâ€, meaning you could get caught up in that basket even though you’re not the intended target.
The vote starts TODAY.
The time has passed for making statements against the legislation. And a simple NO vote won’t do. The bill must be stopped.Hillary and Barack supporters I challenge you to demand REAL LEADERSHIP and real CHANGE from your candidates. DEMAND they support Chris Dodd in his filibuster. Nothing less is acceptable.
The media will follow Hillary and Barack wherever they go. Back in December, when Chris Dodd won round 1 of the filibuster there was a total media blackout. As a result, most of the country is completely unaware of any of this. If the media is there the country will learn the 4th amendment is about to be stolen and they will become enraged and engaged. We need the help of millions more Americans to win this time!
And by Hillary and/or Obama joining Chris Dodd in Washington it may actually win them enough votes to carry the Democratic Nomination, as many are still undecided. Many want to see LEADERSHIP, mere words about leadership and CHANGE ring hollow with millions of UNDECIDED.
Glenn Greenwald believes that without Hillary and Barack support we will LOSE this time.
So please Hillary and Barack supporters, get on the phone to them and prove that they’re not hollow worthless candidates.
1-800-828-0498
January 24th, 2008 at 9:19 am1-800-459-1857
(free call, white house operator, ask them to connect you to your Senator)
How about a little fair disclousure here?
Comment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 9:08 am
Sure, why not, even if it is off-topic.
Ohio State’s Fair runs in mid August and has historically been the first or second largest such fair in the nation. It is rich with mid-Western traditions, such as the butter sculpture and the Governor spending the night in the cow barn.
How was that, gg?
January 24th, 2008 at 9:20 am“Bipartisan unity†on the House investigation into the destruction of the CIA’s torture tapes has been “shredded†by “squabbling and dissension.â€
Why does this not surprise me? The Republiscums are still trying to give the Bush Crime Family cover for their crimes. Hopefully they will pay for their dereliction of duty to the American people in November.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:20 amI call for a one day vacation from arguing with trolls. Please use the time today instead to make the calls that I’ve suggested in my posts #1, #3 and #14.
** I’ve already made five calls to Senators, I know you can do the same.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:22 amdim wit; thanx
January 24th, 2008 at 9:23 amWhat a sad, vindictive waste of $8.5 million. How many better uses there are for such an amount of money.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 24, 2008 @ 9:15 am
I don’t know. How many?
January 24th, 2008 at 9:23 amOhio State’s Fair runs in mid August and has historically been the first or second largest such fair in the nation. It is rich with mid-Western traditions, such as the butter sculpture and the Governor spending the night in the cow barn.
How was that, gg?
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian — January 24, 2008 @ 9:20 am
And who pays for all that butter, huh PLC? The public has a right to know!
January 24th, 2008 at 9:23 amGood post’s 2 million and Uncle Ho……Any one here checked out oped new’s articles this morning?…Seem’s a fellow named Nadler, who is a fan of Hillerie’s is trying to block Impeachment…Another article on that site point’s out the party that start’s impeachment alway win’s big in the following election..Make’s me wonder why the dumbass Dem’s want to loose…Blessings all
January 24th, 2008 at 9:24 amComment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda — January 24, 2008 @ 9:22 am
I’ve e-mailed my Senators: Durbin and Obama
I reserve the right to continue harrassing trolls (and some non-trolls as well)
January 24th, 2008 at 9:24 amWhat a sad, vindictive waste of $8.5 million. How many better uses there are for such an amount of money.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 24, 2008 @ 9:15 am
Perhaps, but it’s pocket change compared to the amount the administration and the Republican candidates and all the right-wing think tanks will be spending in the next year trumpeting Bush’s record and spreading lies about the economy and the war and the environment.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:25 amThe bulk of the money will be spent on advertising that keeps the focus on the Bush administration’s failures.
Keeping the focus on the administration’s failures shouldn’t be too difficult.
By the way, good golly, who gives a **** who is paying for it, as long as they are telling the truth? Oh, yeah, I forgot: right wing authoritarians like you hate the truth. In any case, I suggest that you review the chart posted yesterday by TP that documents the spectacular failure of the Bush empire using numbers from our own government agencies.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:26 amThe so-called “Americans United for Change†is funded by George Soros, as is Think Progress. How about a little fair disclousure here?
Comment by good_golly
Oh really goon_golly. How about some proof here. Do you really think that people are going to believe anything you say without proof? And why do you never provide proof for your assertions? Because you have none!
January 24th, 2008 at 9:26 amWhat a sad, vindictive waste of $8.5 million.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 24, 2008 @ 9:15 am
What is sad or vindictive about highlighting the failures of this administration? Why do you hate the truth?
January 24th, 2008 at 9:27 amWhat did we miss? Let us know in the comments section.
Hey TP, how about a little follow up on this:
http://www.npr.org/ templates/ story/ story.php?storyId=18357565
It appears the USA is now negotiating our indefinate occupation in Iraq.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:27 amHow about some proof here.
Comment by bilbobaggins — January 24, 2008 @ 9:26 am
Don’t bother asking this creep for proof of anything. It just derails the discussion. It doesn’t matter who pays to broadcast the truth, as long as it is the truth.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:29 amgood golly, I am still waiting for you to explain why it matters whether or not George Soros funds this organization or not.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:29 amStill nothing on the conflict of Israel against the Palestenian people.? Humm. Some thing’s never change in the killing around the world and USA backer’s and enabeler’s…I grieve……Blessings
January 24th, 2008 at 9:30 amWhat a sad, vindictive waste of $8.5 million. How many better uses there are for such an amount of money.
Comment by Keltoi at Night
Like the 30 million the US Chamber of Commerce is supporting to try to defeat populist presidential candidates? You do know what the word populist means, don’t you loon Keltoi?
pop·u·list (pÅp’yÉ™-lÄst) Pronunciation Key
n.
1. A supporter of the rights and power of the people.
So the US Chamber of Commerce is going to spend an obscene amount of money to see that we don’t elect a president who cares about “we the people”. Is that what you think is a good way to spend money?
January 24th, 2008 at 9:31 amWhat a sad, vindictive waste of $8.5 million. How many better uses there are for such an amount of money.
Comment by Keltoi at Night
what is sad is how petty this sounds when you compare it to what bush has squandered…..at least they are spending their own money….grow up…..quit being a whiney little repub enabler……what about the millls spent by the right to actually smear dems……this is just to keep the truth in front of people while they make a decision soon…..
you show your colors keltoi in the dark….
January 24th, 2008 at 9:32 amgrow up…..quit being a whiney little repub enabler……
Comment by Fred — January 24, 2008 @ 9:32 am
Don’t hold your breath, Fred. If it hasn’t happened yet, it ain’t gonna happen for this freak.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:37 amStill nothing on the conflict of Israel against the Palestenian people.? Humm. Some thing’s never change in the killing around the world and USA backer’s and enabeler’s…I grieve……Blessings
Comment by Witch1 — January 24, 2008 @ 9:30 am
It’d take another blog to accurately cover all the U.S.-backed conflicts around the world. Though I’d like to see more international coverage on this site, I get the feeling that it’s outside their area of interest.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:38 amThe Center for Public Integrity released a report on ‘Pre-Iraq War statements’ by the Bush administration. The research showed Bush and his top 7 Neoturds lied to the American people 932 times trying to justify the Iraq invasion.
Let me say that again; 932 lies, recorded in 2 years.
If we use that number and project out for the entire 7 years, we can estimate a minimum of 3,728 lies.
Ironically, the number of lies and the number of dead American soldiers is remarkably equal.
On the other hand, Bush’s lies could well equal total dead Iarqis…we may never know.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:38 amJay Rockefeller’s unintentionally revealing comments
from Glenn Greenwald, Saldon dot com
Re: The FISA legislation up for immediate vote
…As the Senate takes up “debate” today over granting the President new warrantless eavesdropping powers and granting immunity to lawbreaking telecoms, the individual who joined forces with Dick Cheney to get this ball rolling, AT&T’s personal Senator Jay Rockefeller, made some comments yesterday to The Politico that illustrate just how twisted and dishonest is the thinking of telecom immunity advocates. First, there is this:
Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) is predicting the Senate will grant retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies as Congress takes up reauthorization of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). . .
“I think we will prevail,” Rockefeller said on Wednesday, adding that he hoped the Senate will finish the bill by next week. The FISA legislation expires in February, and both President Bush and GOP congressional leaders have demanded new legislation be in place by that time.
“It’s a pretty bad idea to appear cocky,” Rockefeller noted. “I am not pessimistic.”
For an entire year, Congressional Democrats have won absolutely nothing. They’ve given in to the White House on every one of its demands. Yet here is Jay Rockefeller strutting around declaring Victory and having to battle against feelings of cockiness because, finally, he is about to win something.
But ponder the “win” that is giving him these feelings of immense self-satisfaction. Is he finally accomplishing what Democrats were given control of Congress to do: namely, impose some checks and limits on the administration? No. The opposite is true. Rockefeller is doing the bidding of Dick Cheney. The bill that he is working for is the bill the White House demanded. Rockefeller is supported by the entire Bush administration, urged on and funded by the nation’s most powerful telecoms, and is backed by the entire GOP caucus in the Senate.
When Rockefeller smugly announces that he “thinks we will prevail,” the “we” on whose behalf he is so proudly speaking is Bush and Cheney, lawbreaking telecoms, and all Republican Senators. The only parties whom Rockefeller is so happily “defeating” are civil liberties groups and members of his own party. That is what is making him feel pulsating sensations of excitement and “smugness.”
** Pissed off? Call 1-800-828-0498 and tell your Senator to support Chris Dodd’s Filibuster
January 24th, 2008 at 9:41 amWhat a sad, vindictive waste of $8.5 million. How many better uses there are for such an amount of money.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 24, 2008 @ 9:15 am
How can you be “at night”?
It’s a piddly amount of money in terms of elections, Keltoi. Try to get some perspective. How many millions of dollars were spent by the Swifties to slander John Kerry? How many millions did Richard Mellon Scaife spend to slander the Clintons?
By contrast, this money is being spent to publicize the Truth, not lies or slander.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:41 amAnyone who would like a copy of that great chart of Bush’s legacy (without the annoying colors and in a pdf), you can get it at http://mardiweb.com/Docs/BushLegacy.pdf
Enjoy. I have sent it to all the Republicans I know and will use it to rebut the trolls here.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:43 amKeltoi, like all the other trolls here, seems to lose his voice when he is directly confronted on his idiot posts.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:46 amAnyone who would like a copy of that great chart of Bush’s legacy (without the annoying colors and in a pdf), you can get it at http://mardiweb.com/Docs/BushLegacy.pdf
Comment by bilbobaggins — January 24, 2008 @ 9:43 am
Alright Keltoi and good golly, you have your homework assignment. Now go study, and don’t come back until you have learned something.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:46 am37 I would think that if keltoi wants to be considered credible here that we should now hear him publicly denounce the swiftboating of John Kerry….if nothing else then at least as:
What a sad, vindictive waste of $xxx million. How many better uses there are for such an amount of money.
How about it keltoi……want to pony up and be a man or do you wish to be left in the dust bin of credibility.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:46 amWhat a sad, vindictive waste of $8.5 million. How many better uses there are for such an amount of money.
Comment by Keltoi at Night
January 24th, 2008 at 9:48 amYour sorrow is touching. Why don’t you feel the same sorrow for the 935 lies your leader told to drag my country into an illegal war?
The final slap in the face to the American public would be for George W. Bush to “catapault the propaganda” of his own administration and re-write history, leaving a false-favorable impression of himself before finally leaving office.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:50 amThe short memory of the American public does indeed need to be reminded repeatedly of the massive failures of his administration; his name must go down in history synonymous with deceit, betrayal and corruption.
The so-called “Americans United for Change†is funded by George Soros, as is Think Progress. How about a little fair disclousure here?
Comment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 9:08 am
Thanks for pointing out the real patriots, gg, unlike your republiscum who are afraid to admit that Bush is a faiure and bad for this country, even though they admit it to themselves.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:52 amToasterhead, I am suprised that little post cleared and was put up..A year ago similar post’s of mine on the same subject were scrubbed and I was locked out of TP for week’s…Perhap’s there is tiny improvement’s…Blessings
January 24th, 2008 at 9:52 amWhat a sad, vindictive waste of $8.5 million. How many better uses there are for such an amount of money.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 24, 2008 @ 9:15 am
What’s the matter, keltoi, you’re afraid that a few million aren’t going into the mass-murder campaign of your party?
A small price to pay to defeat the fascist GOP and bury it for all time.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:53 amComment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 9:51 am
Goon_golly, you are such an ignorant tool, you make me laugh. Your posts are nothing more than a cut-and-paste from the RNC talking points. Don’t you have any true opinions of your own? I pity you.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:54 amThis success is bad news for the Dems in November as they have invested themselves so deeply in defeatism.
http://news.yahoo.com/ s/ nm/ 20080117/ ts_nm/ usa_iraq_security_dc
Comment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 9:51 am
Only fools like you believe even one line of what y8ou’ve posted. All lies, all the time from the right. You won’t be happy until every American soldier is dead.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:58 amDrive-By Troll: A blogger who enters a discussion by making false, unsubstantiated claims and will not respond to questions or discuss the content of their post.
Commonly found on Progressive websites year around, but rarely welcome, these anomalies display behavior more commonly found with Cockroaches, as in scurrying to hide when light exposes them.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:58 amThis success is bad news for the Dems in November as they have invested themselves so deeply in defeatism.
Comment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 9:51 am
You know, my entire 401k is invested in defeatism as well. So far, I’ve had a pretty good ROI.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:59 amTurn on c=span 2 now…Rockafeller on now….Call the number’s 2million put up please…Back Dodd….Blessings
January 24th, 2008 at 9:59 am“I am a Republican, and at times I’m embarrassed by the lack of cooperation that this president and his appointees have had with the legislative branch,†said Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) in a hearing yesterday. “There is a seething resentment by members of Congress who are Republicans by the fact that this administration has not even cooperated with us.â€
And yet the Republicans proudly continue to vote in lockstep with this failed and dangerous president.
Remember that when you vote in November.
January 24th, 2008 at 9:59 amHow is Keltoi wrong about this?
January 24th, 2008 at 10:00 amI understand everyone here would like to see Bush’s reputation continuously ground into the dirt, but Bush has seen to that all by himself.
This is an election year, there are plenty of other things to spend $8.5 million on than Bush bashing. All but the most loyal already know what a horrible president he is. His numbers will not improve much, if at all, and that will have no bearing at all on anything.
The millions could go toward local, state or federal election races.
Bush is done. Are they scared he might hit the 32% mark?
There’s just no practical gain here. He’s not running for another term. Bashing him to that degree will help Republicans
There’s just no practical gain here. He’s not running for another term. Bashing him to that degree will help Republicans
Comment by Wilco
I disagree. We need to keep his failures in the limelight along with pointing out that Republiscum John Doe has voted with Bush on his failures 100% of the time. That will counter the lies that these people will be telling. I think it is an excellent strategy.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:04 am54 Wilco……it’s not your money……you and keltoi really don’t have any say in it…..grow up. If you want to talk about something try this:
“I am a Republican, and at times I’m embarrassed by the lack of cooperation that this president and his appointees have had with the legislative branch,†said Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) in a hearing yesterday. “There is a seething resentment by members of Congress who are Republicans by the fact that this administration has not even cooperated with us.â€
Don’t you repubs consider this to be treason…..even your own kind are turning on you…….inevitable I guess……your opinions please.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:04 am2million…..I’ve made my calls……
January 24th, 2008 at 10:05 ambilbo, I absolutely agree with that, but that’s not what they’re proposing. If they can run attack ads on whatever Rep running by comparing him to Bush, great!
January 24th, 2008 at 10:06 amThat’s a great use of the money. But to use it just to bash an alreadly immensely unpopular president, then it’s a waste.
What did we miss?
Bush budget won’t fully fund Iraq war
By: David Rogers
“The White House refused to say precisely how much bridge funding will be requested for Iraq and Afghanistan in the new budget.
The White House confirmed Wednesday that its new budget next month will not request a full year’s funding for the war in Iraq, leaving the next president and Congress to confront major cost questions soon after taking office in 2009.
The decision reverses the administration’s stance of just a year ago, when President Bush’s budget made a point of spelling out in advance what he thought the costs would be for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan for 2008. By comparison, the new budget, to be unveiled Feb. 4, requests only incremental “bridge†funding into 2009 and won’t sustain the military through the full length of the fiscal year, which ends Sept. 30, 2009.”
So, he’s leaving even the funding for the war unfinished, and handing his mess off to another administration.
What a petty man. The guy is a full-bore f#ck-up.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:06 amThat’s a great use of the money. But to use it just to bash an alreadly immensely unpopular president, then it’s a waste.
Comment by Wilco — January 24, 2008 @ 10:06 am
Its a federal regulations thing:
“Americans United is a 501(c)4 organization under Internal Revenue Service regulations. That means it can raise money in unlimited amounts and because its target is Bush, not a candidate for federal office, it is not governed by the Federal Election Commission”
January 24th, 2008 at 10:11 am54 Wilco……it’s not your money……you and keltoi really don’t have any say in it…..grow up. If you want to talk about something try this:
Comment by Fred
So you argue people shouldn’t talk about things they don’t have any say in, and should grow up.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:15 amDo you not realize what site you’re on? Or are you really that partisan and obtuse?
Are you blind to your own hypocrisy?
And how does anything I wrote make me a Republican?
Please show your proof of my political pedigree with which you’ve saddled me.
Hypocrite.
Please tell everyone else on here to “grow up” because they don’t have any say in so much of what is discussed here.
Hypocrite.
That’s a great use of the money. But to use it just to bash an alreadly immensely unpopular president, then it’s a waste.
Comment by Wilco
We do what we can to obtain justice……we can’t seem to get them thrown out so we have to make sure their legacy is accurate…..any more questions?
Where were you fiscal conservatives when the repubs were spending 30 million on whitewater, etc…….please explain why we heard nothing from you then……..
January 24th, 2008 at 10:15 amO.K. every one, I made my call’s and sent in email’s to back them up….Have you called yet.?..2million posted the number’s and alternet has the info as well…No excuses, just do it….Blessings
January 24th, 2008 at 10:18 amSorry, you didn’t seem willing to discuss it….several logical and reasonable questions were asked about what you thought for instance about the money spent on swiftboating, 30 mill spent to smear the Clintons, etc. and I have not seen any response. You just continue to press your point so I don’t consider that a discussion.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:18 amFred, you have no control over what fiscal conservatives do or don’t do, so please don’t talk about it and grow up.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:19 amGo, Dodd go!!
Hopefully some of the Senate Democrats will magically change their spines from jelly to bone and support Dodd.
One can dream can’t he?
January 24th, 2008 at 10:21 amWhat a sad, vindictive waste of $8.5 million.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 24, 2008 @ 9:15 am
What is sad or vindictive about highlighting the failures of this administration? Why do you hate the truth?
Comment by VerbalKint
Bush is sad and vindictive. That’s why only 25% deadenders continue to blindly support him. It is very important to highlight his sad and vindictive administration in order to help insure that this horror never happens again.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:22 amFred, you have no control over what fiscal conservatives do or don’t do, so please don’t talk about it and grow up.
Comment by Wilco
Guess everyone knows now why I told you to grow up….thanks for making my point.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:23 amAnd so can she, Wayne…..Blessings
January 24th, 2008 at 10:24 amLet’s compare these two statements:
Please tell everyone else on here to “grow up†because they don’t have any say in so much of what is discussed here.
Hypocrite.
Comment by Wilco
Fred, you have no control over what fiscal conservatives do or don’t do, so please don’t talk about it and grow up.
Comment by Wilco —
I’m confused. First Wilco takes Fred to task for telling others to grow up - and then he does it himself!
January 24th, 2008 at 10:25 amAnd so can she, Wayne…..Blessings
Comment by Witch1 — January 24, 2008 @ 10:24 am
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January 24th, 2008 at 10:25 amFred, I don’t like negative campaigning.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:26 amYou weren’t trying to discuss, you were attacking. Please be clear about that.
You were bringing up a “Yeah, well…” argument. I argue in favor of spending the money on other things I consider more practical, so you go after me with, Yeah, well, what about swiftboats?, you Republican you?
You are a blind partisan who can’t consider my opinion as being a valid strategic position, and instead it can only register to you as Republican.
If anyone needs to grow up, it is not me.
I’m confused. First Wilco takes Fred to task for telling others to grow up - and then he does it himself!
Comment by barfly
I’m sorry, I have lost patience with wilco…..he asked why we would think this was a good idea and it was explained a couple of times a couple of ways…..yet……he still poses the same question as if to describe that as a discussion….without addressing any of the questions posed to him…….
it all gets a little childish…..kinda like trying to talk to dana perinoo
January 24th, 2008 at 10:29 amThe so-called “Americans United for Change†is funded by George Soros, as is Think Progress. How about a little fair disclousure here?
Comment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 9:08 am
I don’t see Americans United for Change on my list of George Soros projects, but it’s possible that one might have been missed. Even if he is funneling money over to them, why is this a bad thing? Are you jealous that there’s a billionaire out there who contributes to causes that work for the freedom of all Americans and to make America a better place instead of kissing the buttcheeks of big business?
Just for the record (my two cents worth), I don’t see why it’s necessary to spend $8.5 million to convince Americans of what they obviously already know, but AUC is perfectly entitled to do so.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:29 amYou are a blind partisan who can’t consider my opinion as being a valid strategic position, and instead it can only register to you as Republican.
If anyone needs to grow up, it is not me.
Comment by Wilco
and what pray tell would that valid stategic postion be? It has been discussed to death here as irrelivant……we see value in keeping bush’s legacy in front of voters who may be infueced by bush’s standing come november…….anything else I can do for ya?
January 24th, 2008 at 10:31 am“Bipartisan unity†on the House investigation into the destruction of the CIA’s torture tapes has been “shredded†by “squabbling and dissension.†House Permanent Select Intelligence Committee Chairman Silvestre Reyes (D-TX) and Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) “are at odds over witness lists, cooperating with the Senate and the very direction of the investigation itself.â€
It doesn’t exist anymore. Forget it. Move on with the investigation.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:32 amComment by Keltoi at Night — January 24, 2008 @ 9:15 am
Keltoi dropped his flame over an hour ago and has never responded.
Now Fred and Wilco are bickering over some stupid shit - actually its unclear to me what the disagreement is over, but, whatever.
so, Keltoi’s work is done. I am sure he never cared about the $8.5M in the first place.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:33 am“You were bringing up a “Yeah, well…†argument. I argue in favor of spending the money on other things I consider more practical, so you go after me with, Yeah, well, what about swiftboats?, you Republican you?”
Wilco
And from a practical stand point, Reagan’s legacy wasn’t negatively impacted by his support for voodoo economics - because some just wanted to put it all behind them. And as a consequence, we have been assaulted for two decades with the lie that Reaganomics worked, and works.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:34 amFred, I understand why people think it’s a good idea. I disagree. I think there are better ways to spend that money that would better benefit the democratic party and the country itself.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:36 amAbsolutely, they have the right to spend their money however they see fit. It is, of course, their money. More power to them.
sorry dim wit but I am a little offended when a self acclaimed fiscal conservative accuses me of being a blind partisan……just hit a button I guess….
January 24th, 2008 at 10:37 amHow about saving all the negatives for the trolls and neocons? WE are supposed to be the ideological side that accepts and respects diversity of opinion. Let the Republicans eat their own, not us. We need unity in what really matters. If a group wants to spend money attacking Bush, we should be able to voice our opinion, pro or con, about the ideological and tactical issues of that plan. But then, we need to move on to the issues that unite us as the truly moral compass for our political process. If we don’t, we are doing the Republicans work for them and THEY WILL WIN.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:39 amFred, I understand why people think it’s a good idea. I disagree. I think there are better ways to spend that money that would better benefit the democratic party and the country itself.
Comment by Wilco
Well if you understand then what is the problem? We don’t understand your viewpoint but you can’t make any sense to support it so what do you want from me?
January 24th, 2008 at 10:39 am2MillionYears and Witch1, are you watching CSPAN2 right now? I’m ready to reach in and slap Rockefeller’s BFF Kit Bond.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:39 amFred, the proposed strategy would be to spend the $8.5 million on, say, dem campaigns for the House or Senate, or the presidency itself.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:40 amBush doesn’t have the kind of support among other Reps that Reagan had. I just don’t see it as such a threat. And I disagree that that’s irrelevant, just because a bunch of people have decided it so.
“What did we miss? Let us know in the comments section.”
Anybody catch Coultergeist’s column this week? Yeah, I know — it’s tough to read over breakfast.
http://www.anncoulter.com/
She has been systematically trashing any Republican candidate who isn’t Mitt Romney (she devoted at least three of her columns to shredding Huckabee when he looked popular), and this week her target is McCain (since he looks like the threat du jour).
Of course, everybody knows that Coulter is a joke. However, I was fascinated as I read about how “liberal” McCain is — she almost had me convinced to support him.
Then I remembered what a warmonger he is…
January 24th, 2008 at 10:41 amFrm Good Golly’s Wiki link:
Reaganomics had its roots in two of Reagan’s campaign promises: lower taxes and a smaller government. Reagan reduced income tax rates, with the largest rate reductions on the highest incomes; in a time of battling inflation, Reagan raised deficit spending to its highest level (relative to GDP) since World War II. As a result, there has been endless debate on whether the economic trends of the Reagan years actually came from the free market, or from government stimulus of the kind advocated by Keynesian theorists.
Is this your “proof?”
How silly.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:43 amSupply-Side Tax Cuts and the Truth about the Reagan Economic Record
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=1120
Comment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 10:40 am
You have the best collection of wingnut lies on the internet. keep them to yourself; nobody here is going to buy the antiAmerican Cato Inst. lies. Only you’re that stupid.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:44 amIf we don’t, we are doing the Republicans work for them and THEY WILL WIN.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian — January 24, 2008 @ 10:39 am
Well said, PLC.
I am not guilt-free on this issue, and I will no longer engage in petty bickering among “family members.” Even if it seems important at the time.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:45 am“but using it to try to secure a particular legacy for a lame duck is a pure waste of money that he could have used to fund more worthy causes he claims to care about.”
Comment by good_golly
We don’t want any more Reagans occurring. He was also a lame duck, with a shady record - until the right-wing think-tanks decided to burnish his tarnished image with deceitful rhetoric. We’ve been living with the negative consequences for decades.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:47 amNewsflash: Bush can not and is not running for re-election. I’d understand if Soros was spending his money attacking someone who is running, but using it to try to secure a particular legacy for a lame duck is a pure waste of money that he could have used to fund more worthy causes he claims to care about.
Comment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 10:43 am
No, destroying Bush and reducing him to ashes will let people know not to vote Republican ever again. It is a patriotic move, and much welcome by those who love America and want it back from the fascist Nazis that have tried to destroy the USA. Of course, you being one of those little Nazi cocksuckers, you would never understand the concept of patriotism.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:47 amWe don’t understand your viewpoint but you can’t make any sense to support it so what do you want from me?
Comment by Fred — January 24, 2008 @ 10:39 am
Come on, Fred, who is this “we”? I understand what Wilco is saying. I understand what you are saying.
You both have given good reasons for your opinions. Is this a difference that makes a difference? Or is there an ego-battle going on?
January 24th, 2008 at 10:47 am“I am a Republican, and at times I’m embarrassed by the lack of cooperation that this president and his appointees have had with the legislative branch,†said Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) in a hearing yesterday.
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I can understand this feeling. Congressional Republicans have been voting in lockstep to give Bushney whatever he wants and have gotten very little in return. I expect this “embarrassment” level to increase as we get closer to November, since all the House Republicans and many of the GOP senators will be running for re-election on a record of supporting policies a clear majority of Americans are against.
There’s a cure for this “embarrassment”, Congressman Rohrabacher. Quit blindly supporting the Bush agenda.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:47 amgood gooly’s opinions from the “I never met an American I didn’t Hate”party of raygun……
preachin to the choir gg….we all know what happened under the criminal raygun…can we say olly north,,,,poindexter, S&L, Iran/contra. All ancient crimes….we won’t let that happen again if we can help it..
January 24th, 2008 at 10:48 amIt is part of an honest debate sans the juvenile name-calling.
Comment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 10:46 am
Wingnut lies are not “proof”, except of wingnut liars. Reagan’s legacy of lies, thievery and treason is being framed by Bush’s legacy of failure, showing them both to be unworthy of anything but scorn and rejection.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:49 amIt is part of an honest debate sans the juvenile name-calling.
Comment by good_golly
A little defensive this morning, eh?
A closer reading of my post would reveal that I considered the argument to be silly. That you personalized it as an attack on you, doesn’t speak well of your reading comp skills.
So now you can rightfully claim that I have attacked your reading skills.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:49 am2MillionYears and Witch1, are you watching CSPAN2 right now? I’m ready to reach in and slap Rockefeller’s BFF Kit Bond.
Comment by lefttown — January 24, 2008 @ 10:39 am
Turning on now. Don’t forget to call Rock and let him know you’re a blogger and will post on as many W. virginia blogs as possible about his traitorous actions. Let him know he will not get away with this in secret!
January 24th, 2008 at 10:50 amI think personal attacks on traitors like good golly are warranted, as well as accurate. this is antiAmerican scum, whose cut and paste lies are uninvited and unwanted here.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:51 amPLC, thanks. I’m a good guy, really. Just ask my mom.
I could be wrong; I just don’t believe Bush’s approval rating will improve notably, and from a historical perspective, I don’t think it will have any bearing if it does improve. He’s dug his grave.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:53 amI think bilbo had the best suggestion, to use the money to bash whatever Rep candidate by comparing his record to Bush’s. That would be great.
Lefty, Lefty, Lefty. It took you 95 posts to play your first moronic Nazi card of the day. I know you can do better than that.
Comment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 10:50 am
hey, the shoe fits, wear it. You support Bush, who’s family supported Hitler. Calling you a Nazi is only being completely honest and accurate. You don’t like it? Then try supporting the Constitution instead of Mein Kampf.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:53 am100. It is your reading comprehension skills that need an overhaul. I didn’t claim that your particular post included the juvenile name calling.
Comment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 10:53 am
then why the whining and crying? Are you just another rightard coward, another weakling needing a hankie?
January 24th, 2008 at 10:54 amOh, gosh, good_gullible, you never come here for “honest debate”.
You come here to annoy, distort, derail, sidetrack, and just flat out lie.
And that’s why you get treated the way you do.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:54 amFeingold speaking now on c-span 2.
Will Hillary and Barack join the Dodd filibuster?
They’re the “Change” candidates, right?
Or are Hillary and Barack content with letting the 4th amendment die?
Why is this ok with people who support Hillary and Barack?
Why are their standards in their candidates so low?
January 24th, 2008 at 10:54 amSome may feel it unnecessary to reinforce Bush’s failed presidency to a public who already recognizes it; but in the course of time, the horrible Bush legacy will begin to fade a bit and, like all memories, become softer.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:56 amFuture generations must not ever be allowed to gloss over this historical shame; Bush’s abuses must be solidly recognized for time immemorial as having been the most destructive, Constitutionally corrosive and publicly corrupt. His lemmings and minions will not cease in their efforts to glorify him and their efforts must be countered.
“A new Harris Poll finds that Americans are unhappy with the current state of the union, a few days before President Bush gives his own State of the Union address on Monday.”
As Americans were last year at the time of his SOTU address, and the year before that. It won’t matter to Bush, though. We will be treated to the same carefully choreographed show of Bush proclaiming that the SOU is just peachy keen, all the GOP legislators will applaud every time they are signaled to do so, and there will be plenty of props in the balcony — military personnel, snowflake babies, etc.
I think I’ll skip it.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:56 amReally Good Golly; didn’t you read the Wiki posting? Why would someone with supposedly good reading skills, post: “As a result, there has been endless debate on whether the economic trends of the Reagan years actually came from the free market, or from government stimulus of the kind advocated by Keynesian theorists,” as a factual defense of Reaganomics? It’s like you’re not really trying.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:56 amFeingold is laying it all out right now on C-Span 2.
Go Russ!
January 24th, 2008 at 10:57 amGive golly_goofy a kleenex, with all that crying it needs one
January 24th, 2008 at 10:58 amComment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 10:43 am
Given that you support one of the greatest wasters of money, BushCo, your weighing in on how we, as the opposition, decide to spend our money is laughable. In fact, I think I will laugh. Out loud. Real loud. Can you hear me, now?
January 24th, 2008 at 10:59 amNewsflash: Bush can not and is not running for re-election.
Comment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 10:43 am
ding ding ding! We have a winner!
Good job! Since AUC is targeting Bush, who is not running for office, they are not governed by FEC rules.
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Fred, no need to be sorry. I do enjoy your willingness to “stir the pot” so vigorously even though some other TPer’s may consider it “uppitty”
January 24th, 2008 at 10:59 am#102. 2MillionLightYears– Feingold speaking! It sounds like there was a Judiciary Committee deal that went on last night—I know Kit Bond was p*ssed about it. Firedoglake is good today: the posters are watching and commenting. Glenn Greenwald at Salon has a good article. I hadn’t thought about calling Rockefeller.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:00 amHow about an organized world wide collective Boooooooo. For the first 5 minutes of the SOTU people around the globe hit their rooftops, and Boo the ever lovin’ sh*t out of this man and this administration.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:00 amHey good goony at post 101:
Here’s a little tidbit regarding nazis and fascism.
Hey, if the shoe fits…
January 24th, 2008 at 11:01 amI wish Feingold had decided to run for the presidency. It would’ve been interesting to see what he’d propose.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:02 amI have a favor to ask. The Ed Schultz show starts in about an hour. I ask you to send him an email imploring him to talk about the FISA legislation, Chris Dodd filibuster and Hillary and Barack’s absence.
I sent him an email in December, regarding this, during Dodd’s first filibuster and he read it on air. He continued the topic into the next day.
I need all the great TP folks here to bombard him with emails, once again, demanding he put pressure on Hillary and Barack to join the filibuster and save the 4th amendment. It may be the last hope we have for success.
His show reaches in excess of a million people, so this is very imporant.
Here’s Ed’s email page.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:02 amhttp://www.wegoted.com/emailEd/index.asp
I am a big fan of the Constitution
Comment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 10:57 am
So NOW we know how the Constitution has been getting blown away in the last 7 years. It’s been good_golly and her spinning hot air.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:02 amAmerican-backed Sunni militias “are being hit with a wave of assassinations and bomb attacks, threatening a fragile linchpin of the military’s strategy to pacify the nation.†American officials warn that the “recent onslaught is jeopardizing†security gains that have been made.
Is it al Qaeda, Shiite Militias, or the CIA?
January 24th, 2008 at 11:02 amFeingold seems to have more spine than anyone else running.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:02 am“It was not a “defense of Reaganomics†but a discussion on Reaganomics. See the difference?”
I stated that Reagan was allowed to slip away without serious damage to his reputation, because of right-wingers who lied (and continue to do so) about his legacy. You posted a link that disputes what I said - a defense of Reaganomics.
What I see is sematic sillyness on your part.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:03 amThe represenative from California should take a look in the mirror. Prehaps he and his collegues should vote with the democrats on occassion. He gets no sympathy here.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:04 am#102. 2MillionLightYears– Feingold speaking! It sounds like there was a Judiciary Committee deal that went on last night—I know Kit Bond was p*ssed about it. Firedoglake is good today: the posters are watching and commenting. Glenn Greenwald at Salon has a good article. I hadn’t thought about calling Rockefeller.
Comment by lefttown — January 24, 2008 @ 11:00 am
I know Crooks and Liars did a great job in December of activating its readers to make calls. TP was silent. Its our job to spread the word here and on as many other messageboards as we can. See my posts #1 and #3 and #14.
We can defeat Cheney, Rockefeller and Reid. Believe it!
January 24th, 2008 at 11:05 amDemocrat party
Comment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 11:01 am
The Republicanic party (since you don’t want us to have the “ic”, you must really want it for yourself - typical greed)
January 24th, 2008 at 11:06 amin my experience, the best way to understand the opposition is to actually listen to what they have to say. I’ll even listen to the pre-planned, pre-scripted doom-and-gloom Democrat party rebuttal that will follow.
Comment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 11:01 am
Well, Gigi, at least you didn’t say “in my experience, the best way to understand the opposition is to actually listen to what they have to say with an open mind.”
So you’re not technically lying. In this instance.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:07 amYou are wasting your time trying to compare 21st Century U.S. Conservatives to the National Socialists of Germany from 70 years ago. We’ve been through this before, and there is no sense in your taking another thread off-topic with your historical distortions.
Comment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 10:57 am
Well, you have a small point. The Nazis were not the cowards the necons are. other than that, the damage done to their respective countries by the Nazis and 21st century American conservatives are parallel. conservatism has weakened and hurt this country, and if liberalism doesn’t regain its rightful place, the USA is over as the world’s most important nation.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:09 amlefttown, Yep! had the damn thing on all morning….Rockless is a traitor as are many of the dem’s…Piece of shit need’s to be scooped up and put in the pile to be spread…..Feingold’s speech was good…Love that man, if only I were young and pretty again would be a groopie after him…Have ya all noticed the fear crap the reich are using in their speeches?..
By the way, I sent follow up email’s to my senator’s reminding them I had called and requested they stand with Senator Dodd…..
Wish I had more faith that any but the few will do what they should…Blessings…..P.S. must leave for doctor’s appointment’s again today..Keep up the good work..
January 24th, 2008 at 11:09 amI’ll even listen to the pre-planned, pre-scripted doom-and-gloom Democrat party rebuttal that will follow.
Comment by good_goony — January 24, 2008 @ 11:01 am
compared to the hide-under-your-bed-with-duct tape-and-prepare-for-the-imminent-terrorists-attack like the Republic party?
January 24th, 2008 at 11:09 amReagonomics lives.
Comment by good_golly
Yep, that’s why we are in a recession today.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:13 amWant another 9/11? Vote Republican’t. Republiscum are the real enemy of America.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:13 amWhat a sad, vindictive waste of $8.5 million. How many better uses there are for such an amount of money.
Comment by Keltoi at Night
If you were talking about US taxpayers funding the state of Israel, I’d heartily concur.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:13 am“Deal reached on tax rebates!!!! Reagonomics lives. ”
Um, Pres. Ford gave out rebates.
This has nothing to do with Reaganomics.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:14 amUm, Pres. Ford gave out rebates.
This has nothing to do with Reaganomics.
Comment by barfly — January 24, 2008 @ 11:14 am
True. It’s the usual repig hypocrisy and bribery of their idiot “base”.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:15 amBill and Arnold don’t know what it is to be poor. If your dealing in cash, like many poor peple do what purpose does a bank play? You need no savings and withdrawl and bank fee policies are enough to keep them away.
And if the current goverment wants to keep tabs on these folk, they can tap their cell phones.
Bill and Arnold should get a life and worry about their own issues instead of looking like they are doing someone a favor.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:16 amTrue. It’s the usual repig hypocrisy and bribery of their idiot “baseâ€.
Comment by Lefty Patriot
Which tellingly points to one of the topics of the day: The effort to make sure Bush is saddled with his true legacy, and not some think-tank-inspired fantasy.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:17 amWhat a sad, vindictive waste of $8.5 million. How many better uses there are for such an amount of money.
Comment by Keltoi at Night
If you were talking about US taxpayers funding the state of Israel, I’d heartily concur.
Comment by RUCerious
If you were talking about US taxpayers funding the war against civilians in Iraq, I’d heartily concur.
Either one makes chump change out of the 8.5
January 24th, 2008 at 11:17 amOff Topic:
Here’s a site I just discovered, “Fundies say the Darndest Thingsâ€. It’s a tremendous example of Fundamentalist “logicâ€. I wonder how many of our trolls have been quoted there?
http://www.fstdt.com/default.aspx
January 24th, 2008 at 11:18 am142 I really don’t get your point……are you saying they should not try to help poor people? What do you mean by thier own issues. Are you saying they don’t intend to help people or that they won’t…..sorry…I’m not sure if I can even disagree with you because I don’t know what you are saying.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:21 am#124 and #135 2MillionLightYears and Witch1–I wrote Ed Schultz and asked him to plese encourage Clinton, Obama, and Edwards to lend their voices. Unfortunately, I have to leave in a few minutes, too, but I’ll listen to Ed when I get in the car. Kay Bailey Hutchison is saying we’re putting our businesses in a bad situation if we don’t give them immunity. Yeah, corporations and government getting together to spy on us: if that isn’t fascism, I don’t know what is. Glad so many here are watching what’s going on. Good luck to all of us.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:23 am“According to you libs, the Republican “base†are the rich. The primary beneficiaries of this tax rebate plan are those with family incomes less than $150,000.”
This is a bipartisan deal, meaning a consensus must be reached before legislation occurs. Did you seriously think republican lawmakers wouldn’t make sure there was something in the deal for their wealthy constituents?
January 24th, 2008 at 11:23 amI wonder how many of our trolls have been quoted there?
http://www.fstdt.com/default.aspx
Comment by pete — January 24, 2008 @ 11:18 am
golly_goofy is definitely a candidate for that page.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:23 am“According to you libs, the Republican “base†are the rich. The primary beneficiaries of this tax rebate plan are those with family incomes less than $150,000.â€
I’d be more satisfied if the cap was $50,000.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:25 amThis stimulus package is great and all, but isn’t it just more borrowed money that’s being doled out?
January 24th, 2008 at 11:28 amWho’s gonna pay it off? Your kids and grandkids…
I’d be much happier if it were being funded by rescinding the tax break for the 1%ers…
I wonder how many of our trolls have been quoted there?
http://www.fstdt.com/default.aspx
Comment by pete — January 24, 2008 @ 11:18 am
golly_goofy is definitely a candidate for that page.
Comment by Wayne — January 24, 2008 @ 11:23 am
Do they have a special category just for Daryll?
January 24th, 2008 at 11:29 amKeltoi, like all the other trolls here, seems to lose his voice when he is directly confronted on his idiot posts.
Comment by bilbobaggins — January 24, 2008 @ 9:46 am
Sorry I didn’t reply fast enought for you, General Bilbo Sir, I had to drive to work after I checked Thinkfast early this morning at home, didn’t have time to write much or reply. I am always happy to make you want to vomit by answering you, you know that.
As far as my point about the 8.5 million, it is their money, sure, go ahead and waste it on keeping Bush’s poll numbers low. It isn’t like he is running for anything again, it just seems like spite to launch a campaign to try and persuade the American public not to support him. But whatever, I sure there are no good Progressive charities who would have wanted that money.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:30 amThis stimulus package is great and all, but isn’t it just more borrowed money that’s being doled out?
Who’s gonna pay it off? Your kids and grandkids…
I’d be much happier if it were being funded by rescinding the tax break for the 1%ers…
Comment by RUCerious
Absolutly….and it will eventually happen…..remember read my lips bushI…..these tax cuts are unreasonably greedy and unsustainable…..we will at some point be desperate to pay our bills and that will end the sham again.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:30 amComment by RUCerious
I want my gubment check!
January 24th, 2008 at 11:31 amThe primary beneficiaries of this tax rebate plan are those with family incomes less than $150,000.
Comment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 11:17 am
Which happens to comprise over 94% of American households.
But it’s a big show of Republican’t generosity that 94% of American households are the “primary beneficiaries of this tax rebate plan”.
Well, it IS out of character, I’ll grant you that, GiGi.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:32 amAs far as my point about the 8.5 million, it is their money, sure, go ahead and waste it on keeping Bush’s poll numbers low.
Comment by Keltoi
Can’t tell you how relieved we are to have your permission….thanks for understanding….guess we can all move on now.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:32 amThe #1 good idea goes to RUCerious…Time for this country to pay cash up front instead of borrowing from our enemies to declare war’s against other enemies and our own people….The way it’s going three generation’s of tax payer’s will still be buried in the bull shit bush debt….Blessings
January 24th, 2008 at 11:35 amAlthough I see certain universal values in many if not most religions, Comment by good_golly
Yeah like the crusades and the Spanish inquisition just for starters…….
January 24th, 2008 at 11:36 am“The theory is that it will pay for itself with a stimulated economy generating more business and hence more tax revenue.”
Comment by good_golly
But this targeted at workers, not business owners and the affluent , like Bush’s previous tax giveaways.
And as we all know, a rebate isn’t a refund.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:36 amAlthough I see certain universal values in many if not most religions, I do not believe that any organized religion knows enough to tell me that they are right about their theology and that all of the other religions are wrong.
Comment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 11:30 am
well, there is some light in that tunnel!
January 24th, 2008 at 11:38 ami have to say, i agree with that statement… well put…
The theory is that it will pay for itself with a stimulated economy generating more business and hence more tax revenue.
Comment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 11:31 am
That’s not really a theory, Gigi. That’s pretty much just a right-wing fairy tale that they keep believing will happen someday if we just give it enough time and sink enough money into it.
In fact, even Bush’s Treasury secretary admits that tax cuts don’t pay for themselves.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:38 amBut whatever, I sure there are no good Progressive charities who would have wanted that money.
Comment by Keltoi — January 24, 2008 @ 11:30 am
Keeping Bush in the crosshairs means fewer votes downticket for Republican’ts. It’s just one of the many ways we have of saving the USA from incompetent traitors and shameless liars like today’s GOP.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:38 amAnd as we all know, a rebate isn’t a refund.
Comment by barfly — January 24, 2008 @ 11:36 am
wondering about that -
January 24th, 2008 at 11:40 amwill this rebate be counted as INCOME for tax purposes, as most people found out too late the last time they pulled this trick?
gg’s assumption will only pay off if the increase is also enough to cover principal + interest for the duration of the loan…
January 24th, 2008 at 11:40 amComment by barfly
The check cashes just the same.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:41 amI want an economic crisis every year!
But whatever, I sure there are no good Progressive charities who would have wanted that money.
Comment by Keltoi
besides keltoi, when the dems take power we will not need those charities….our government will assist our needy and will use your tax dollars.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:41 amSenator Durbin,,,Go good guy….Telling about all the adm. lie’s….Tune in c-span…..Phone and email…..Call or email Shultz….Get it together progressive’s, stand up and be counted…Blessings
January 24th, 2008 at 11:42 amAccording to you libs, the Republican “base†are the rich. The primary beneficiaries of this tax rebate plan are those with family incomes less than $150,000.
Comment by good_golly — January 24, 2008 @ 11:17 am
Actually, the Republican base is the stupid, rich or poor, although the rich do at least get a very good ROI, financially, even if they lose their democracy and civil rights. Being republicans, they, of course, place no value on anything they can’t brag to their neighbors about. Only the very stuidest Americans would vote for those that routinely steal from them, send their children to die in the sand, and sell our manufacturing base to China and India so we can die of pisoning and shoddy engineering. That’s the republican base: the idiots.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:42 am“will this rebate be counted as INCOME for tax purposes, as most people found out too late the last time they pulled this trick?”
Comment by katy
That’s the very definition of a rebate, and I don’t think it’s changed since the last one.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:43 amIt’s a great idea to continue to remind all Americans of the dumbfounding quantity of mistakes this administration has made.
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:45 amI wonder if the homeless, realy poor and people on S.S that are so poor they don’t even file tax return’s will get a check.? Where would the bull shit people send the check’s, since many don’t have an address….Their car’s and under the bridge’s don’t have addresses…..Blessings
January 24th, 2008 at 11:45 am“The check cashes just the same.
I want an economic crisis every year!”
Comment by Wilco
Think about what you’re saying. A rebate is an advance - on expected future tax payments. What you’re advocating is just kicking the car down the road, in perpetuity.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:46 amThat should be “can.”