Fox News: Bush Is ‘Really Reflecting On His Place In History,’ Trying To ‘Equate Himself’ With Lincoln
Fox News: Bush Is ‘Really Reflecting On His Place In History,’ Trying To ‘Equate Himself’ With Lincoln
Fox News reporter Bret Baier “was granted unprecedented access by George W. Bush” to put together a one hour documentary that reflects back on his presidency. The documentary will air this Sunday night.
Baier previewed his documentary — “George W. Bush: Fighting to the Finish” — on Fox News this afternoon. He said that what surprised him from the interview was the President’s repeated efforts to link himself to Abraham Lincoln:
We talked a lot about President Lincoln. And there’s going to be a lot of people out there who watch this hour and say, is he trying to equate himself with Lincoln?
I tell you what — he thinks about Lincoln and the tough times that he had during the Civil War. 600,000 dead. The country essentially hated him when he was leaving office.
And the President reflects on that. This is a President who is really reflecting on his place in history.
Watch it:
During Bush’s 2006 summer vacation in Crawford, the White House eagerly informed the media that Bush was going to be spending his time reading two historical books on the Lincoln presidency: “Lincoln: A Life of Purpose and Power,” by Richard Carwardine, and “Lincoln’s Greatest Speech: The Second Inaugural,” by Ronald C. White Jr.
The list of conservatives who have sought to frame Bush as Lincoln is long; it includes Newt Gingrich, John Gibson, David Brooks, and Rudy Giuliani.
Writing in Salon, Garret Epps responded to efforts to link Bush to Lincoln, writing “You, sir, are no Abe Lincoln“:
On the personal level, Lincoln had none of Bush’s obstinacy and egotism. He scorned yes men, and surrounded himself with Cabinet officials better known than he was, refusing to purge even those actively working against his own political interests. […]
Most important, Lincoln was a lawyer. It is hard to find any sign that Lincoln thought himself above the law. He had none of Bush’s scorn for procedures and rights. […]
George W. Bush is Lincoln the way Dan Quayle is Jack Kennedy.
Note to Bret Baier: Lincoln wasn’t “hated” when he left office. He was assassinated just after being re-elected by an overwhelming margin.
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Terrorist leader Bush is more comparable to Hitler. He killed more in Iraq than died in the Civil War.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:04 pmMore like Alfred E Newman.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:05 pmOne Million Dead in Iraq: Our Own Holocaust Denial
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18765.htm
^^^Bush’s legacy. He is a war criminal.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:06 pm“The country essentially hated him when he was leaving office.”
Huh ? I thought Lincoln’s period of leaving office was a couple of minutes after being shot ?
And if Bush is Lincoln, then Dana Perino is Einstein.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:06 pmLincoln logs, maybe.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:07 pm“The country essentially hated him when he was leaving office.â€
Huh ? I thought Lincoln’s period of leaving office was a couple of minutes after being shot ?
Comment by MapleStreet — January 25, 2008 @ 2:06 pm
Umm… yeah, Lincoln had just been inaugurated for his second term a little over a month before he was shot.
Good catch, MapleStreet.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:08 pmLincoln logs, maybe.
Comment by RUCerious — January 25, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
damn, beat me to it!
January 25th, 2008 at 2:08 pmGood luck with that equation, President Dinkledorf.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:09 pmMapleStreet beat me to it:
“The country essentially hated him when he was leaving office.”
The fact that Bret Baier is making high-profile documentaries and is so ignorant as to think that Abraham Lincoln simply “left office” at the end of his term speaks volumes about what passes for quality control at Fox.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:09 pmJust amazing that anyone can say bush even has a legacy with a straight face. How about the most hated person Internationally and in America. Eight years to run a strong, healthy country into the ground, killing our young for his ego. How about the travesty of invading a country for selfgain. I would like to write this man’s obituitary today.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:10 pmDoes one need any better example of the Orwellian real speak of the President and the conservative movement. Now, every news outlet should be mocking FOX for this kind of brainless “news”. We won’t see that, will we?
January 25th, 2008 at 2:11 pmdamn, beat me to it!
Comment by dim wit — January 25, 2008 @ 2:08 pm
only two kinds of comedy bloggers, the quick and the dead…
January 25th, 2008 at 2:11 pmJust amazing that anyone can say bush even has a legacy with a straight face.
Comment by texaslady — January 25, 2008 @ 2:10 pm
Oh, he has a legacy, texaslady. It’s just not a legacy as a “new Lincoln”. It’s a legacy of destruction and incompetence.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:11 pmMaybe Busch meant Log Cabin; as in Jeff Gannon.
∞
January 25th, 2008 at 2:11 pmWow “…when he was leaving office.”???? Are you freaking kidding me???
Do they check for high school diplomas before they hire “reporters” for Fox???
January 25th, 2008 at 2:13 pmonly two kinds of comedy bloggers, the quick and the dead…
Comment by RUCerious — January 25, 2008 @ 2:11 pm
Well, you know, my writers are currently on strike. I got to come up with these “witty” comments all by myself
January 25th, 2008 at 2:14 pmOn second thought I hope bush lives very long life, long enough to realize the death and destruction his actions cost. Rove’s mentor who taught the evil tricks lived long enough to regret the dirt he did, we can all wish the same for bush and cheney.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:15 pmHuh ? I thought Lincoln’s period of leaving office was a couple of minutes after being shot ?
And if Bush is Lincoln, then Dana Perino is Einstein.
Comment by MapleStreet
I will only consider comparing Bush with Lincoln if he leaves office the same way Lincoln did.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:15 pmLincoln’s approval rating went way up after he was assassinated.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:16 pmThere is still hope for Bush. He could get his image on the US penny until it becomes to expensive to make pennies out of recycled plastic.
Started reading two books on Lincoln in the summer of 2006, huh?
How’s that first chapter coming there, Shrub?
January 25th, 2008 at 2:17 pmBush put the ‘fun’ back in Dysfunctional.
One can only hope the end of his term mirrors Lincoln’s exactly.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:17 pmOn Bush’s place in history. Right next to Hitler.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:17 pmBush already suspects how history will judge him or he wouldn’t be buying up property in Paraguay.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:18 pmHow’s that first chapter coming there, Shrub?
Comment by woodguy — January 25, 2008 @ 2:17 pm
Cliffs Notes have chapters? Or perhaps you’re referring to the Great American Bathroom Book?
January 25th, 2008 at 2:18 pmI’d put him more on a par with another tall, bearded guy…Bin Laden.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:22 pmWait just a minute, a year ago bush said he related to Harry Truman, now which is it? Guess whatever was the last book he read, next it will be Harry Potter.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:22 pmSorry, Bin Laden probably has a much higher approval rating with his constituents.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:22 pmquality control at Fox.
Comment by joeldbloom
good chuckle…….
Bush already suspects how history will judge him or he wouldn’t be buying up property in Paraguay.
Comment by NutWrench
pretty sad that he has to try to write it for himself…….well that’s the only way it can have a postive slant…..
January 25th, 2008 at 2:24 pm#5 has it correct - Lincoln LOG….what a loser….
January 25th, 2008 at 2:25 pmits telling of the 100% superficial nature of the bushidiot that he would get his Lincoln association from being disliked by the electorate. Clearly no inkling of the difference in why Lincoln was disliked from why bush is hated…only that both were disliked.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:25 pm.
[from FauxSnooze]:
We talked a lot about President Lincoln. And there’s going to be a lot of people out there who watch this hour and say, is he trying to equate himself with Lincoln?
I tell you what — he thinks about Lincoln and the tough times that he had during the Civil War. 600,000 dead. The country essentially hated him when he was leaving office.
And the President reflects on that. This is a President who is really reflecting on his place in history.
“The country essentially hated him when he was leaving office”?!?!? WTF?!?!? The country “hated him” while he was lying with his lifeblood spilling out from ana assassin’s bullet? Missed that tid-bit in the history text I read….
If the Preznit “reflects on that”, “this is a Preznit who is really delusional and ignerrent about history”….
FauxSnooze really lives up to their name there. They’re nucking futz!!!
Cheers,
January 25th, 2008 at 2:26 pmBush = 935 failed statements.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:26 pm(Baier) said that what surprised him from the interview was the President’s repeated efforts to link himself to Abraham Lincoln
I can understand that.
After all, I’d be surprised if that guy who became famous on American Idol because he sang so badly repeatedly tried to link himself to Frank Sinatra.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:27 pmDifference: Abraham Lincoln was honest in character and defended the Constitution he swore to uphold. George W Bush lied his way to fame and wiped his ass with the Constitution on a daily basis.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:27 pmLincoln? ROTFL!!! More likely he’ll be most compared to Hoover!
January 25th, 2008 at 2:28 pmOne thing is for certain -
George W. Bush was never impeached.
William Jefferson Clinton WAS IMPEACHED!
Boo-yah!
January 25th, 2008 at 2:28 pmFox will have to put in more commercials to take up the slack of the hour, unless they tell the truth.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:29 pmAlright! Hold it just one flippin’ minute!
The American people “hated” Lincoln as he was “leaving office”?
WTF?
First off, I’m sure, realistically, his approval rating was 50% (post Civil War), which is much higher than Heir Dubya’s is right now.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:29 pmSecondly, Lincoln was shot! He wasn’t “leaving office”, unless it was meant figuratively.
Jeebus! They still continue to re-write history, don’t they?
Difference: Abraham Lincoln was honest in character and defended the Constitution he swore to uphold. George W Bush lied his way to fame and wiped his ass with the Constitution on a daily basis.
Comment by theswan — January 25, 2008 @ 2:27 pm
Actually, to be fair, Lincoln also violated the constitution and suspended habeas corpus just like Bush. It’s also seen as one of his blackest marks, and a real failure of his administration.
The difference is that Lincoln had full scale rebellion on his streets that were in full swing, whereas Bush was cowering under his bed fearful of what ‘might’ happen…
January 25th, 2008 at 2:30 pmKucinich: I will impeach Bush Monday
January 25th, 2008 at 2:30 pmquality control at Fox.
Comment by joeldbloom
come on guys….you don’t think that is funny…..I mean what does that person do all day?
January 25th, 2008 at 2:31 pmOne thing good, there will not be another bush in the White House for a generation or two, it will take that long to clean up his mess.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:31 pm1/ Febuary 1st - Iran will accept the Dollar no more
2/ Qatar will cut ties of its national currency with the US dollar as the greenback has gone into a spiral of decline since two years ago.
3/ UAE was also likely to cut its link to the dollar
4/ Kuwait did last May.
http://www.presstv.ir/ detail.aspx?id=40291§ionid=3510213
January 25th, 2008 at 2:32 pm#32 - 935 KNOWN lies, tip of an iceberg.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:33 pm1/ Febuary 1st - Iran will accept the Dollar no more
Comment by Anjuna Laguna — January 25, 2008 @ 2:32 pm
I wonder how this will play out, especially with the Iran/Saudi Arabia relationship starting to blossom into a Gulf Cooperation Council:
http://abuaardvark.typepad.com/ abuaardvark/ 2008/ 01/ gcc-iran-and-al.html
January 25th, 2008 at 2:37 pmDelusional, to the last.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:37 pm#38 Actually, to be fair, Lincoln also violated the constitution and suspended habeas corpus just like Bush.
It’s not as clear as that. The constitution doesn’t make it clear who can suspend habeus corpus when Congress is not in session - nor does it make it clear what the limits of the suspension are.
Lincoln had Congress ratify his suspension immediately upon their return, and as the Constitution permits suspension of it by Congress in times of insurrection or invasion when the public safety may require it, and the Civil War definitely counted as the former.
Courts later ruled that the suspension only applied to areas currently lawless because of invasion or insurrection - and not more distant regions not directly affected. But prior to the courts’ decisions on the matter, it was unsettled law. Lincoln’s actions were reasonable and in good faith, if ruled later to be incorrect.
Bush doesn’t have that excuse - we have settled case law on habeus corpus now, and his suspension doesn’t even meet the broad constitutional requirement.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:37 pmIf it was our dotty old uncle who was this delusional, we would chalk it up to eccentricity and just try to keep him away from sharp objects. But shouldn’t we be a bit more worried when it’s the President of the United States?
January 25th, 2008 at 2:38 pmThe country essentially hated him when he was leaving office.
at least he knows the country hates him.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:39 pmRightwing delusion is truly breathtaking.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:40 pmAn Army sergeant accused of shooting a badly wounded and unarmed Iraqi insurgent in the stomach, then ordering a medic to suffocate him before fatally shooting him in the head will be tried in military court, his attorney said Thursday.
http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=18218
January 25th, 2008 at 2:40 pmOMG. I just threw up in my mouth. That obnoxious, arrogant, retarded, petulant fratboy thinks he’s another Lincoln…?????
Call the men in their white coats, please. Strait jacket, meds and rubber room!!
January 25th, 2008 at 2:41 pmWell, to be fair, I heard Lincoln was a cheerleader in college, too.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:44 pmMissmolly- many of us were more than worried when bush was even nominated for President after witnessing what he did to Texas….however…more wanted to have a beer with a pretend, born again Christian, who dodge his military service while others served honorably. Believers and money bought bush two tours in the White House.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:47 pmDoes this mean that Lincoln was a spoiled rich kid who thought the world owed him a living?
Who knew?
January 25th, 2008 at 2:48 pmFor once bush knows what is going to happen. He’s going to be hated and become “that guy” who was an awful president. No one will want to listen to him, talk to him or have anything to do with him.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:48 pm#55, as a fellow Tex-ex-pat, I can’t agree more. But remember that the media fawned over Bush, who was the frat boy they all wanted the approval of, and loathed Gore, the smart guy who made them feel inferior. That bled into the press coverage in every way, and couldn’t have helped but push some undecideds in the Bush camp.
And yet Gore still won that election!
January 25th, 2008 at 2:49 pmThe country essentially hated him when he was leaving office.
Reich-wingers are so freakn’ stupid.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:52 pmI am thinking of how Truman and Carter weren’t very popular with the American people toward the end of their terms in office, yet they managed to keep their dignity. No fawning documentaries, no comparisons to Lincoln, etc.
Bush is so worried about his legacy that he’s willing to say or do anything to market himself — the only strategy that appears to be “off the table” is honestly admitting to the American people how badly he screwed up. But comparing himself to Lincoln? This may go well with the quarter of the country who still thinks well of him, but it’s not going to sway anyone else.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:53 pm#60 - the part of the country that Bush considers relevant did hate Lincoln - racist, fundamentalist, Southern white males.
The analogy fails in that these are the only ones who still love Bush.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:54 pmAw come on, Gigi… do you really think that having won the presidency by a mere 10 point margin squares with the characterization of Lincoln being “essentially hated” by the country?
That’s just stupid.
And besides, you ignored Baier’s ridiculous phrase “when he was leaving office”. How does that even square with Lincoln’s history? Jeez Louise.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:54 pmShamRockNRoll,
January 25th, 2008 at 2:54 pmI E-Mailed the Registrar’s Office at the University of San Deigo to check out Trace Gallgher’s claim in his Fox Bio, that he had in fact graduated from the Univ.
The E-mail came back saying he was a student there,and had completed about half the required courses, and wasn’t a graduate!
Neal Boortz until Aug of ‘05 claimed he was a graduate of Texas A&M, until it was confirmed he had dropped out at the end of his jr. year (after spending 4 years in school!) He now claims in his bio’s “He finished up at A&M in ‘67!”
Don’t believe any info in anyones bio, until you have checked it out!
Lincoln: 212 Electoral votes
January 25th, 2008 at 2:55 pmMcClellan: 21 Electoral votes
Note: I was just about to predict that some troll would try to claim something along the lines of “getting shot in the head shows that he was hated”.
Gigi took a little less direct route but arrived at the same basic spot.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:57 pmNote to TP: Lincold [sic] was “hated†in the South.
Comment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 2:50 pm
Provide some facts to back up your claim, gigi.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:57 pm#58 - I agree the Press plays a major role, look how the focus is on 4 or 5 candidates instead of giving all the same coverage. Bill Maher had a journalist on last week who admitted that certain candidates treat them really good on the campaign trail. Same goes for Russert amd David Gregory who vacation on Martha’s Vineyard with the ones in office, how do you go from sharing a beer to reporting honestly?
Who pays the price ? The taxpayer who gets a corrupt jerk in the highest office of the land.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:00 pm41. Texas Lady - don’t forget there were 3 people from this dynasty in the WH. Of course there is Shrub and George Sr. But don’t forget that Barbara Bush is a direct descendant of Pierce - a president who was so bad that he was the only sitting president to be denied renomination by his party.
I guess genes do determine competence.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:00 pmLincoln was brain dead when he left office too…
January 25th, 2008 at 3:01 pmThe real lesson is the manner in which the Republicans and their conservative flunkies view the lessons of history.
Lincoln did some real dumb things as any human being does. He did unconstitutionally restrict habeus corpus. However, he was honest and upfront about what he did. Lincoln was working in a time of crisis and bent or broke the rules when he felt that the existence of the country depended upon. He had the counsel of a broad range of people. He did not depend upon yes men. He took such action with humility and reluctance. However, Lincoln understood the necessity of the rule of law. He informed congress and the people of the actions he took and was willing to accept the judgment of congress and the people in reaction to what he had done. Is there any better definition of a man with honor.
President Bush grabs power, relegates the constitution to just a piece of paper and hides his actions like a thief in the night. Indeed, the entire Republican party and conservative base seems to see history as the bargain basement to find the lowest standard of conduct. Habeus corpus- screw it, Lincoln did. Seize people and confine them without due process and based upon racial characteristics - fine, FDR did it. Spy on dissenters, eavesdrop on citizens without warrant- Hoover did it. They ignore the fact that the President (or demigod with FBI’s Hoover) did wrong and indeed failed to accomplish any beneficial result. They failed to understand that our country regretted each such act after the fact. They fail to understand that these lessons place a restraint upon the tempation to make such poor decisions in the future and thereby protects our freedom.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:01 pmComparing Lincoln to GWB, in the words of Charlton Heston (Planet of the Apes), “Its a Madhouse, a Madhouse!”. In the words of Pink Floyd, “The lunatics have taken over the asylum!”. In my own words, Impeach Cheney and Bush and Save the Constitution. That way he’ll have the legacy he so richly deserves.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:02 pmNote to Reid & Pelosi; Put impeachment on the table. Top priority. Either lead, follow, or get the phuck out of the way.
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.”-John F. Kennedy
January 25th, 2008 at 3:02 pmRe 73:
Maybe bush will compare himself to Charlton Heston in the Planet of the Apes. He tell congress in his state of the union address to “get your damn dirty hands off me!” and then he and condi can ride off on a horse and find the statue of liberty.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:05 pm63. “Gallagher has a degree from the University of San Diego.†Can this not be an Associate’s degree?
Comment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 3:01 pm
Since you reich-wingers do not possess college degrees, we’ll have to let you in on a little “secret”. When you attend a University and claim you graduated from that University, you would have to possess a B.S/B.A or greater to make such a claim. There isn’t a “human” on this earth that would claim they “graduated” from a University with an Associates Degree.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:05 pm. You’re joking right. O.k. you got me there. The Confederates absolutely loved Lincoln. (sarc) What a quack.
Comment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 3:03 pm
Unless you can back up your claims with a facts, you are just lying once again. Thanks for playing…..
January 25th, 2008 at 3:06 pmHey Gigi, I got you a shiny bracelet at the store. It’s out in the car.
Why don’t you go get it?
I’ll time you.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:06 pm63. “Gallagher has a degree from the University of San Diego.†Can this not be an Associate’s degree?
Comment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 3:01 pm
USD is a private four-year college and does not offer Associate Degrees. Community or junior colleges do that, not schools like USD. Hell, you could have looked this up yourself, couldn’t you?
January 25th, 2008 at 3:08 pmNice work, gum.
Very nice.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:09 pmComment by Klem Kiddilehopper — January 25, 2008 @ 2:54 pm
It seems that Faux has removed any mention of “graduating” from any university from his bio and his Wiki entry states he has a “degree”.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:10 pmWhat if Hillary gets in?
Comment by Southern Idiot — January 25, 2008 @ 3:07 pm
Southern Idiot comes through off-topic as usual with a Clinton reference. No one is surprised.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:12 pmOne thing good, there will not be another bush in the White House for a generation or two, it will take that long to clean up his mess.
Comment by texaslady — January 25, 2008 @ 2:31 pm
What if Hillary gets in?
Comment by Southern Man
HIllary isn’t a bush. incompetence runs in the bush family. Hillary is a succesful lawyer and senator. She’s not my first, or second choice of dems that are still in the running but she will be better than any of your inbred yobs
January 25th, 2008 at 3:14 pmHey good golly, since southern man is here why don’t you ask him if lincoln was hated in the south. While you’re at it, why not find out how the south feels about political asassination?
January 25th, 2008 at 3:16 pmNice work, gum.
Very nice.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — January 25, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
I’m blushing. Actually, I’ll be on the campus in June again, and I’ve had family go to school there, so I know the place reasonably well. I just wanted to verify they hadn’t slipped in a program for LPNs or something.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:16 pmHey good golly, since southern man is here why don’t you ask him if lincoln was hated in the south. While you’re at it, why not find out how the south feels about political asassination?
Comment by Bobwurst — January 25, 2008 @ 3:16 pm
I’m still trying to figure out whether there is any relevance at all to Lincoln’s popularity in the CSA since they were in secession and apparently not voting either for or against him.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:17 pmI think he meant, “Like a Lincoln LOG.” The brown floating kind.
What an egotistical ass.
Buck Fush
January 25th, 2008 at 3:21 pmSM- Hillary is not my choice but she has more intelligence in her little finger than any running in your party. Well there is one but he is not the press’s darling so there you are. Evidently intelligence is not a requirement to be a Republican candidate.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:22 pmAnyway, your party’s members are being indicted so fast, won’t be a Republican majority much longer.
Bush is dangerously delusional.
Doris Kearns Goodwin wrote an acclaimed book about Lincoln called “Team of Rivals” (title refers to the fact that Lincoln deliberately included in his Cabinet the prominent leaders of different factions of his party who had opposed him for the 1860 nomination) and here’s a clip from an article about that book in relation to Bush:
“Lincoln’s priority, always, was to preserve the Union and to reduce the sectional and ideological bitterness. As Goodwin brilliantly shows, he did so by the force of his personality and the generosity of his spirit. Lincoln had an unerring sense of when public opinion was ready for partial, then full abolition of slavery, and he would not move until he felt he had the people behind him. He governed by listening and persuading.
By contrast, Bush’s entire presidency is about eking out narrow victories, not about building national consensus. Even when he prevails, Bush wins by manipulation and stealth. His legacy is deepened division and bitterness.”
January 25th, 2008 at 3:22 pma bit more:
“Bush is said to live in a bubble. His tiny inner circle protects him from realities that might upset him or challenge his dimly informed certitudes. Lincoln, by contrast, had the confidence to reach out to critics and seek out widely divergent viewpoints.”
http://www.boston.com/ news/ globe/ editorial_opinion/ oped/ articles/ 2005/ 12/ 24/ what_bush_couldlearn_from_lincoln/
January 25th, 2008 at 3:24 pmI’m still trying to figure out whether there is any relevance at all to Lincoln’s popularity in the CSA since they were in secession and apparently not voting either for or against him.
Comment by gummitch
What the south thought of Lincoln is as relevant as “Hillary” is to bush’s legacy. What I want to know is does bush really see himself in these terms or is he just spinning? He can’t really think that this kind of crap will somehow change how future generations view his presidency.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:24 pmBush is to Lincoln as weiners are to NY Strips.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:27 pmBush will never be the ex-president that Carter is.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:28 pmAnd Southern Mammal defends its off-topic post with further distractions, opinions masquerading as facts, and lies.
The trolls really aren’t having a good day today, are they?
January 25th, 2008 at 3:29 pmHe failed, and I would compare him more to Jimmay Carter.
Comment by Southern Man — January 25, 2008 @ 3:26 pm
Except Carter didn’t get so many people killed over his self-serving lies, nor did he preside over the wholesale looting of the national coffers.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:30 pmThe trolls really aren’t having a good day today, are they?
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — January 25, 2008 @ 3:29 pm
Nor a good week, month, year, or decade.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:31 pmWhy don’t you just ask Obama, since it’s coming from his own party?
Comment by Southern Man — January 25, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
Dude - have you seen the GOP debates and attack ads? No room to talk.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:34 pm63. “Gallagher has a degree from the University of San Diego.†Can this not be an Associate’s degree?
Comment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 3:01 pm
C’mon, guys… did anyone seriously expect good_gullible to know the diff between an associate’s and bachelor’s degree?
This is like picking an argument with road kill.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:34 pmNow the Southern Mammal doesn’t even appear to be trying. It’s just going through the motions.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:34 pm#92 - That comment was reinforced in Newsweek bush surrounds himself in an echo chamber, refuses to fact check, adds layers of insulation, doesn’t evaluate results. Bush considers course changing as weak leadership, that would be admitting your first decison was lacking or wrong. Bush’s MBA degree certainly seems suspicious with his actions.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:34 pmI think calling it a “mammal’ is an insult to the rest of us.
Try reptile or amphibian. even thought frogs don’t deserve that either.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:35 pmWow, what a pile-on.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:35 pmI feel a need to say something in Junior’s defense: he did not lie.
He said, famously, “I’m a uniter, not a divider.”
And with over 70% of the US population (and higher margins internationally) — on both the left and the right (not to mention the middle and everyone who doesn’t usually care about politics at all) — in complete agreement that this spoiled-brat, dry-drunk, incompetent, ignorant, petulant, infantile, delusional, deceitful, hypocritical, arrogant wretch has been a miserable failure at every aspect of his pResidency, as he was at everything else in his life, and is rightly excoriated as the Worst. President. Ever…
In this, America, and indeed all humanity, is probably more united than we have ever been before, or ever will be again (barring an alien invasion or appearance of a verifiable messiah).
This is to be savored, and for this, we owe him. We owe him much, much more than we can ever repay.
Though I’d sure love to be able to start paying down that debt…
He can’t really think that this kind of crap will somehow change how future generations view his presidency.
Comment by Bobwurst — January 25, 2008 @ 3:24 pm
I think he does, unfortunately. Maybe deep, deep, down in the inner dark recesses of his insecure soul he doesn’t, but, I don’t think he visits there very often anymore. He’s been working with Rove for so long he believes the lies and spin now. I suspect that he has to in order to justify the death and misery he has brought upon the planet.
And then there’s that half a billion library he has planned…
January 25th, 2008 at 3:36 pmRE 94:
You’re off to a bad start cracker. Your hypothetical comparision of Clinton and FDR is a red herring and has no point. Why not just compare Scoobie Doo and Spotty while your’e at it. As for the Carter/bush comparision, Jimmy Carter was an honest, truly religious, decent president. Bush is none of the above. Bush has as much in common with Carter as he does with lincoln. Now, if you want to talk Hoover and bush you may be on to something. Throw in a little Nero, and the current president of Syria and you’re getting close.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:37 pmtexaslady - the emperor isn’t wearing any clothes! But who’s gonna tell him?
January 25th, 2008 at 3:39 pm#106 - Actually I just read where 70% Republicans still support bush…so maybe only the ones really disgusted are speaking out.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:39 pmWhat if Hillary gets in?
Comment by Southern Idiot — January 25, 2008 @ 3:07 pm
Southern Idiot comes through off-topic as usual with a Clinton reference. No one is surprised.
Comment by Dr. Matt — January 25, 2008 @ 3:12 pm
Matt, shut up with the Clinton crap. He is trying to get back in office, so he is fair game, whether you like it or not. Bill is relevant in any political conversation from now until the election.
Comment by Southern Man — January 25, 2008 @ 3:26 pm
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Um…I don’t think Dr. Matt was denying that either of the Clintons is “fair game”, he just pointed out that Hillary has nothing to do with Bush, or with Lincoln — the topics of this thread. Well — OK, BOTH Hillary and Abe came from Illinois, but I hardly think that’s a valid tie-in.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:42 pmBush read a book?!
January 25th, 2008 at 3:42 pmBush had way to many opportunities, and failed.
Comment by Southern Man
Bullshit! He succeeded in looting my country. He succeeded in destroying the constitution. He succeeded in giving his friends and family huge tax cuts. He succeeded in putting facists on the supreme court. He took every opportunity to make himself and his class richer. Which is all he cares about.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:42 pmMary first you have to have a soul to look into the recesses, and Cheney and Bush would have to prove to me they own a soul. I think they sold it long ago.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:42 pmClinton was smart enough to let the peasants get some of the trickle down money. Also, I liked that he owned up to his sex romp by admitting he did because he could. At least he was man enough to admit his screw ups and not make others clean his mess up.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:46 pmCan you prove to me that USD has NEVER offered an Associates Degree?
Comment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 3:46 pm
That is a straw you’re grasping at, isn’t it?
January 25th, 2008 at 3:51 pmIf Bush has a Masters in Business, why won’t The Harvard Business School let you read it?
January 25th, 2008 at 3:51 pmCall them up and ask for a copy of his Masters Thesis, or ask to make arrangements to read his thesis, then let Think Progress know what they say!
Gummitch, even you should realize that what you linked to is what USD CURRENTLY offers, not what it has HISTORICALLY offered. Can you prove to me that USD has NEVER offered an Associates Degree?
Comment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 3:46 pm
Gigi, how about YOU prove that the Faux “News” figure in question actually HAS said degree? Seems like THAT would solve the debate right there.
Or better yet, why don’t you go out to the car and see if you can find the pretty bracelet I hid for you? Come on, it’ll be fun! Like an Easter egg hunt. Or a WMD hunt.
I’ll time you. Ready….? GO!
January 25th, 2008 at 3:52 pmComment by Southern Man — January 25, 2008 @ 3:38 pm
Hmmm… seems to have confirmed my snark and doesn’t even realize it…
Sad and painful and hysterically funny all at once…
As they say in Scotland…
“Oooouch’mon…”
January 25th, 2008 at 3:53 pmAll presidents at the end of their terms try and compare themselves to previous presidents or leaders. I think in their minds that if they choose who they would like to be compared to, it will stick and playout somehow. Lincoln isn’t going to stick. Bush had way to many opportunities, and failed.
Comment by Southern Man — January 25, 2008 @ 3:38 pm
Really? Prove it. Most presidents have their own achievements, something positive they have accomplished. Bush is unrivaled in his failures and his destruction of the constitution.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:55 pmBret Baier is apparently Fox’s resident hagiographer. He did a similar “exclusive access” interview with Herr Rumsfeld. The Daily Show did a bit on this - they referred to Baier as “Neckless Johnson”, and highlighted a quote from Rummy about an object in his Pentagon office. It was debris from the plane that hit the Pentagon on 9/11, and Rummy referred to it as a “wonderful reminder”….
January 25th, 2008 at 3:56 pmGummitch, even you should realize that what you linked to is what USD CURRENTLY offers, not what it has HISTORICALLY offered. Can you prove to me that USD has NEVER offered an Associates Degree?
Comment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 3:46 pm
well, it’s come to this. Conservotards have so little on their side that they’re reduced to arcana and trivia.
January 25th, 2008 at 3:56 pmGummitch, even you should realize that what you linked to is what USD CURRENTLY offers, not what it has HISTORICALLY offered. Can you prove to me that USD has NEVER offered an Associates Degree?
Comment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 3:46 pm
Uneffingbelievable. Aren’t you even the slightest embarrassed by your stupidity?
January 25th, 2008 at 3:57 pmKlem Has anyone ever heard what the thesis was on ? But MBA’s aren’t what they used to be, look at all the CEO’s with MBA’s wrecking companies, case in point Countrywide…of course he walked with $100 million so maybe he did use his knowledge just not for the companies benefit. Hmmmm sounds alot like bush doesn’t it?
January 25th, 2008 at 3:59 pmJust got off the phone with the Harvard School of Business, Archives 617-495-6040, they seem to have a problem locating any Thesis by President Bush. They did have some sort of inquiries for paperwork for in 2000!
January 25th, 2008 at 4:04 pmHmmmmmmmm, I wonder what Rove was looking for?
“I truly believe that Al would have been elected if it weren’t for Bills screw ups
The Banjo Player from Deliverance”
Ohhh, well if you TRULY bellieve then it must be true. Good thing you threw in that “truly” gomer, otherwise you’d be getting mocked right now.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:05 pm“During the Civil War, Lincoln appropriated powers no previous President had wielded: he used his war powers to proclaim a blockade, suspended the writ of habeas corpus, spent money without congressional authorization, and imprisoned 18,000 suspected Confederate sympathizers without trial. Nearly all of his actions, although vehemently denounced by the Copperheads, were subsequently upheld by Congress and the Courts ”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln
So I see where Bush sees himself here… but then we were in the middle of the Civil War.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:05 pmsouthern idiot is really scared of a dem getting in office. he will have to shut up for a long time when the dust settles this time……maybe he can whine quitely….i’m sure getting tired of hearing it…..
he bashes clinton but god, I would go back to that in an instance…..
bill didn’t preimptively invadade and occupy a soverign nation and torure people on the way.
never had to worry about unitary presidential powers under bill either
guess you could say he was a hell of a lot more of a True American than bush…..
January 25th, 2008 at 4:09 pmSM - I base my theory on the fact that people had jobs and were able to make a living while Clinton was in office. I base my theory on the fact that we had less living in poverty with Clinton than EITHER bush regime.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:10 pmWe had International credibility, we had a SURPLUS when Clinton left. Clinton didn’t invade a country for his own ego satisfaction. That means we had 3900 more military people alive. Who in the world cares whether he had sex or not…that was his personal life. Did he do everything perfect ? Hell no, but was it better than either bush? By far !
Perhaps the Southern Mammal would be interested to know that, according to the US Census Bureau and other agencies, during the Clinton years the poverty rate declined each year, real wages for the middle class grew, and the income inequality gap between rich and poor narrowed.
But then perhaps it would not be interested.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:10 pm#94 Southern Man:
The eleven states in the south that did not vote during his second election, prove Lincoln was not popular, at least in the south.
How so? On what evidence do you base this claim? And I would like as well your polling data from those Southerners that, for some strange reason, were not allowed to vote….
Cheers,
January 25th, 2008 at 4:11 pmYeah Fred, When people were concerned about misdoings in the Whitehouse when Clinton was president, he allowed a special prosecuter to be named. He didn’t hide behind the corpses left in the first world trade center bombing or or the OK City attack by the rightwing christian terrorists, instead he went about catching the bad guys, trying them in open court and sending them to jail, all without destroying the constitution.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:12 pmThe dictator in the movie Vendetta is what comes to mind when I think of the bush legacy. Especially the cowardly way he died. Thats the essence of bush: tough east coast cowboy veneer, pussy begging for his life interior.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:13 pmSM I didn’t see Hillary answering questions for Bill…maybe if she had they would have cleaned the mess up faster. He should have just said I did it. And look who was pointing fingers at him, Newt Gingrich for one who was also having an affair at the same time. Or the latest one tapping his foot for homosexual interlude.
What I say is your party spent $7,000,000 to prove Clinton had sex. Somehow I can find better places for my share.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:14 pmPerhaps the Southern Mammal would be interested to know that, according to the US Census Bureau and other agencies, during the Clinton years the poverty rate declined each year, real wages for the middle class grew, and the income inequality gap between rich and poor narrowed.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama
Sorry Ralph, those are just facts….they cannot be admitted into any discussion with southbound mules ass…..
January 25th, 2008 at 4:15 pmNote to Bret Baier: Lincoln wasn’t “hated†when he left office. He was assassinated just after being re-elected by an overwhelming margin.
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Well, I guess that proves SOMEONE hated him. I somehow suspect the hatred SOME people felt towards Lincoln was more about “quality” (the intensity of hatred those that hated Lincoln felt) versus quantity (how many people actually hated Lincoln).
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Wait just a minute, a year ago bush said he related to Harry Truman, now which is it? Guess whatever was the last book he read, next it will be Harry Potter.
Comment by texaslady — January 25, 2008 @ 2:22 pm
Honestly, he probably hasn’t picked up a book since 9/11. Which means he really wants to be someone’s pet goat.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:15 pmThe only reason 90+% of the U.S. public doesn’t hate Dubya’s guts is that there’s a number of people that, for reasons of self-esteem, can’t admit to voting for the Worst Preznit Ever™….
Cheers,
January 25th, 2008 at 4:16 pmIt looks like the banjo player from Deliverance has gone home.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:16 pmThey got confused - it’s not “Abe Lincoln” they’re comparing him to, it’s “Ape Lincoln”. Without the “Lincoln”.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:17 pmsouthbound mules ass must have cut and run…..oh well, that’’s why we call him the coward of the county…..
January 25th, 2008 at 4:17 pmAnother thing, teen pregnancy declined during Clinton years…maybe because we all know abstinance doesn’t work, Planned Parenthood, contraception information does. So, carry your water for your party because with the decline in funding for EPA we all will be drinking beer instead of polluted water.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:17 pm“Lying” George comparing himself to “honest” Abe. What a joke!
January 25th, 2008 at 4:27 pmI compare Bush to a rusting and rotting Lincoln in a junkyard somewhere full of empty beer bottles, cigarette butts and used prophylactics.
That’s his Lincoln moment.
-GSD
January 25th, 2008 at 4:27 pmZuch - I like Jack Cafferty and his cut to the chase attitude…Jack admits to voting for Bush the first time. He admits to being a kool aide drinker until he realized he had made a mistake…how hard is that to say ” I was wrong ?” Jack’s book really tells it like it is..a good read.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:28 pmMore likely he’ll be most compared to Hoover!
Comment by republicans hate facts — January 25, 2008 @ 2:28 pm
Yeah, the Hoover Vacuum. They both suck.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:28 pmLincoln was brain dead when he left office too…
Comment by Bobwurst — January 25, 2008 @ 3:01 pm
A great question for Jeopardy or the Cash Cab: How was George Bush like Abraham Lincoln alike?
It would also fit in a Trivial Persuit Liars Edition when it comes out.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:29 pmA great question for Jeopardy or the Cash Cab: How was George Bush like Abraham Lincoln?
Too busy laughing at myself!!
January 25th, 2008 at 4:32 pmGummitch, even you should realize that what you linked to is what USD CURRENTLY offers, not what it has HISTORICALLY offered. Can you prove to me that USD has NEVER offered an Associates Degree?
Comment by goon_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 3:46 pm
I don’t actually think I can prove anything to you at all, because your ability to resist new information is astonishing. Others have pointed out to you that four-year colleges, at least out here in the west, do not EVER offer two-year degrees, but you can continue to delude yourself all you want. What you should know is that people do lie about their academic credentials (which is far more likely than USD offering Associate degrees). A reputable HR department knows this, which is why they always verify credentials.
Since you’re the one making the incredible lame assumption that this joker had an AA from USD, we’ll leave it up to you to prove it.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:36 pmWhat I cannot believe is the absolute hatred of Bill Clinton. Hey, Clinton was not the greatest president in the entire world. He was a very good president who understood what was needed out of the executive at the time. He started off rough but was able to turn around public opinion. I think that he understood the mood of the time after the fall of the Soviet Union. He did have a serious view of public policy and understood the issues well. The economy thrived, poverty decreased and the the budget was balanced. By any measure, Clinton did a very good job. However, we see President Bush who has f___ed up every thing that he has touched. He squandered the greatest public support ever given to a President after 9/11. The Republicans just do not get it. Their policies stink and their ideology tends to attract the worst sort of criminal scum as party leaders. However, the party base tends to be made up of mindless sheep with out intelligence or the desire to do more than blindly follow the soundbite intelligence that passes for Republican deep thought.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:37 pmThe feminist movement was also hurt by Bill. More beer!!
Comment by Southern Man — January 25, 2008 @ 4:32 pm
The juxtaposition of these two sentences seems a fitting snapshot of the political analysis of the Southern Mammal, and its source.
You give the trolls enough time, eventually they get careless and reveal the truth about themselves.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:41 pmAnd how many civil rights has this administration squashed ? How about the man arrested for touching Cheney at political meeting? Just touching not pushing, or threatening. Or when at a public meeting paid for by your taxes two people wearing T-shirts protesting the war were thrown out, having bought tickets to this public meeting.
It goes on and on ….check on google for more..
The Paula Jones affair has several other inconsistencies that you may want to look before rallying for her defense.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:43 pmBobwurst - I’m afraid that they truly *DO* believe that spewing these noble aspirations will make them look different in history. Straight out of the Neocon handbook. Look at the instant move to deify Reagan.
In short, if the facts don’t fit, spin a new mythology. (? Adapted from Plato’s Republic ?)
January 25th, 2008 at 4:46 pmSouthern Man - just forget your dislike of Clinton for a minute…look at who was better in office…we did have a surplus, we did have funding for social problems, we had strong systems in place for the EPA. Bush cannot leave office with one positive thing he accomplished. That is a sad, sad legacy.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:48 pmThe scariest part about the Chimpfck pResident thinking he is even of the same species as Lincoln is that the delusional maniac believes it. That he is that far removed from reality that he may listen to that little voice in his head saying to bomb Iran before he leaves office.
Dude, that little voice is not Jesus, it’s Cheney whispering in your ear while he has his way with you after the drugs kick in.
What a twisted sick POS.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:52 pmChimp means Lincoln Rockwell, the american nazi party guy..lol.
January 25th, 2008 at 4:59 pmtexaslady, you do what you think will help but southernman is just a hater of people…..his kind call us haters and we do but it is hateful idologies we hate and that is the difference……
think about it…..if we were in total control we would ban even cheny to prison at worst….no one will be hanged….although…..I can’t help thinking about it.
When republicans are in power 1 million people die in Iraq and we torure……they torure human beings……sometimes to death…..
January 25th, 2008 at 5:11 pmAt the very least, Lincoln had the good taste to die a violent death.
January 25th, 2008 at 5:11 pmIn all my years I have never had a positive experience of a Republican President. Each time, the country became lopsided with all the wealth at the top end and the middleclass forgotten. The Democrats have not been all they could be but at least we had jobs, and were able to enjoy life. I guess Nixon was the worst until Bush I & II came along.
January 25th, 2008 at 5:20 pmIn all my years I have never had a positive experience of a Republican President. Each time, the country became lopsided with all the wealth at the top end and the middleclass forgotten. The Democrats have not been all they could be but at least we had jobs, and were able to enjoy life. I guess Nixon was the worst until Bush I & II came along.
Comment by texaslady — January 25, 2008 @ 5:20 pm
When I was a wee lad, we had a Republican president that I have never really heard anything bad about. He may not have been great, but he certainly seems to have been honest and decent. Unfortunately, his VP was a Dick.
January 25th, 2008 at 5:24 pm#147 texaslady:
Zuch - I like Jack Cafferty and his cut to the chase attitude…Jack admits to voting for Bush the first time. He admits to being a kool aide drinker until he realized he had made a mistake…how hard is that to say †I was wrong ?†Jack’s book really tells it like it is..a good read.
Yes, indeed, there are many that have seen the light and repented. It may not be hard for some, but I suspect that those with self-esteem problems (and/or RWA tendencies) may find it more difficult or impossible. Thus the lingering 28%. I think there would be 10% that are just so completely RWA that they’d follow Dubya even if he was televised eating live children in the Rose Garden (good brownshirt candidates; they do exist), or that are so craven that they don’t give a damn if the country goes straight down the tubes, as long as they get a couple dimes more on April 15th, or better dividends from Halliburton. The latter, though, may be fickle enough to see that their own self-interests require jumping ship from this horrible Titanic voyage…..
Cheers,
January 25th, 2008 at 5:27 pm#150: Southern Roadkill:
Please remeber that had Clinton owned up to the Paula Jones scandal, none of this would have ever happend.
Please remember that Paula Jones’s case was dismissed on an embarrassing summary judgment motion by Judge Wright (in a well-reasoned opinion, and in fact one that I had predicted after reading the briefs in the case, even with all the talking heads “legal experts” on the telly expressing surprise at the decision when it was announced). Agreed, it was appealed, and while on appeal, settled out of court (with no admission of wrongdoing). But the only legal decision here was that Jones had no case (not to mention we know that this was just a case ginned up and financed by the Arkansas Project to try and embarrass Clinton).
So why should Clinton have “owned up” to anything?
Cheers,
January 25th, 2008 at 5:33 pmZuch - Actually my husband said if Bush was having sex with a goat on the White House lawn and it was televised the believers would not believe it. (I said it in less crude terms than my crude spouse)
January 25th, 2008 at 5:51 pm(I said it in less crude terms than my crude spouse)
Comment by texaslady — January 25, 2008 @ 5:51 pm
Well I expect as much from a texas lady! :)
January 25th, 2008 at 5:58 pmThe man is insane.
And I thought that Lincoln was assassinated AFTER being re-elected for a 2nd term, was he not?
Fauz News and Bush combined, God help us all! The man is INSANE and Lincoln must be spinning in his grave! Lincoln pooped more qualified Presidents than Bush. For God Sakes, won’t someone close to him tell him the truth … that he is going down in history as the worst President … not the worst in the history of America but the worst in the history of mankind!
January 25th, 2008 at 6:05 pmI guess Nixon was the worst until Bush I & II came along.
Comment by texaslady — January 25, 2008 @ 5:20 pm
Now there is a president that Bush II is like!! Who will go down in history as the most hated? Tricky Dick or Chimpya?
BTW, Eisenhower was a heck of a lot better than LBJ.
January 25th, 2008 at 6:09 pmNixon looks like a choir-boy thanks to Bush
January 25th, 2008 at 6:12 pmFrom what I have read Eisenhower was against a huge military and also took advice from opponents of his plans. He listened in other words before charging ahead. Like a real Leader or a real President.
January 25th, 2008 at 7:07 pmGeorge Bush couldn’t carry Abraham Lincoln’s jockstrap.
January 25th, 2008 at 7:39 pmLincoln left office in a coffin. Is that the boy Bush’s plan too?
signed: coffins draped with flags.
January 25th, 2008 at 7:47 pmYeah right. Bush is to Lincoln as Fox News is to Edward R. Murrows.
January 25th, 2008 at 7:48 pmWhen Lincoln went to the bankers to fund the war, they wanted to charge him up to 30% interest. He told them to get stuffed and printed the greenbacks instead.
He also refused to allow them to loot the South when it became apparent the North would win the war and made sure the south would be able to rejoin the Union on more equal terms than they wanted. The international bankers who started the war by financing the South in their secession and in the war itself, but who also would profit by their NY bankers looting the South when the war was finished, punished him for this, and he was killed.
If Bush wanted to be Lincoln, he would nationalize the Fed and print his own money instead of borrowing it. He might end up like Lincoln though.
January 25th, 2008 at 8:03 pmAnd so long as Cheney is VP, we do not want to see this.
He also refused to allow them to loot the South when it became apparent the North would win the war and made sure the south would be able to rejoin the Union on more equal terms than they wanted.
Comment by MiMiCcs — January 25, 2008 @ 8:03 pm
Bullshit!! JUST PURE BULLSHIT!!
The federal taxes imposed on southern banks (10% in some cases) after the unCivil War caused all of them to close and the northern banks to take over the region. Carpetbagging happened moron!!
The South WAS BURNED and then LOOTED!! I know for sure!!!
You should try history and facts a little more!!!
January 25th, 2008 at 8:47 pmThe feminist movement was also hurt by Bill. More beer!!
Comment by Southern Man — January 25, 2008 @ 4:32 pm
More bullshit is more like it. You haven’t made a cogent point since you started leaving your turds on this blog. Feminism scares the crap out of Southern pansies, and all other republican pussies. Who fought against women’s suffrage? not the liberals, but the same conservotards that fought against child labor laws, emancipation, and the