During the Republican presidential debate last night, Mike Huckabee suggested that Iraq did have weapons of mass destruction, but that they were moved prior to the war. In making this observation, Huckabee compared Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction to an Easter egg hunt:
Everybody can look back and say, oh well we didn’t find the weapons. Doesn’t meet that they weren’t there. Just because you didn’t find every Easter egg didn’t mean it wasn’t planted.
Chris Matthews pressed Huckabee on this point in an interview after the debate. “Do you believe there are WMD in Iraq that hasn’t been found that would have justified the war had we discovered it?” he asked. Huckabee offered this response:
I think it’s more likely that that weapons of mass destruction that we know that he at one time had, he used weapons against the Kurds, good chance they may have gone to Jordan. We don’t know where they are.
Watch it:
Josh Marshall points out that, “if you keep up on right-wing moonbat orthodoxy,” you’ll know that it’s Syria — not Jordan — where they allege the weapons were supposedly smuggled to.
The Bush-commissioned Iraq Survey Group, charged with determining the truth regarding Saddam’s weapons programs, declared in its final assessment that “it was unlikely” that any such official transfer to Syria took place:
The investigation centered on the possibility that WMD materials were moved to Syria. … ISG found no senior policy, program, or intelligence officials who admitted any direct knowledge of such movement of WMD. Indeed, they uniformly denied any knowledge of residual WMD that could have been secreted to Syria. […]
Based on the evidence available at present, ISG judged that it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place. However, ISG was unable to rule out unofficial movement of limited WMD-related materials.
The ISG concluded that “Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991.”
Digg It!
UPDATE: In May, Mitt Romney said it’s “entirely possible” that Saddam had WMD and hid them in Syria.
I thought it was Syria. These guys really need to get their lies straight.
January 25th, 2008 at 10:21 amoh huckleberry, i hope you get the nomination, because it will be fun watching you really crash and burn you FREAK!
January 25th, 2008 at 10:22 amWow! I’m surprised the man can stand up after spinning THAT hard!
Why’s he trying to play the “WMD” card, after it’s been proven a lie? Is he trying to get the sheeple vote that always vote “approval” for Pres. Bush, no matter how bad their lives are becoming?!?!?!
January 25th, 2008 at 10:22 amEaster Eggs… Jordan… Jordan Almonds… I can see where he got confused.
January 25th, 2008 at 10:23 amI really hope that Fmr. Gov. Huckabee receives the Republican Nomination!
That would ENSURE that a Democratic President was inaugurated on Jan 20, 2009!
January 25th, 2008 at 10:24 amThis guy is a bigger nut case than bull shit bush….Damn..I want my county back…..Blessings
January 25th, 2008 at 10:25 amBased on the evidence available at present, ISG judged that it was unlikely that an teleportative transfer of WMD material from Iraq to an alien mothership orbiting planet Earth took place. However, ISG was unable to rule out teleportative movement of limited WMD-related materials.
Thus, we have conclusive conjecture that Iraq’s Weapons of Mass Destruction were abducted by aliens.
January 25th, 2008 at 10:25 amHuckabee: “Iraq’s WMD Were Hidden Like ‘Easter Eggs’ And Then Moved To Jordan”
- - And when they got to Jordan, Huckabee’s folksy metaphorical explanation for everything, they turned into Jordan almonds.
January 25th, 2008 at 10:25 amRumsfeld:”We even knew the colors of those eggs,south,north, east ,west of Jordan”.
January 25th, 2008 at 10:25 amI love it. Here’s a guy who has held no national office, has never worked for any national security agency, and has never had any access to the kind of classified information necessary to have the inside track on Iraq’s alleged WMDs.
Yet he claims he knows what went on.
AND he expects Americans to believe him.
Amazing!
January 25th, 2008 at 10:26 am- - And when they got to Jordan, Huckabee’s folksy metaphorical explanation for everything, they turned into Jordan almonds.
Comment by Badmoodman — January 25, 2008 @ 10:25 am
No no no - they’re just touring Petra castle, hitting the night clubs in Amman, going on camel rides, the usual stuff tourists do in Jordan. Hell, if I were a chemical or biological weapon, I’d pick Jordan over Syria any day.
January 25th, 2008 at 10:27 amAnd who wants a new president who still believes that WMDS are hidden somewhere in Jordan like Easter eggs…?
This guy still way behind in his thinking..
What does he read that makes him think that Jordan was the final place to unload those mystry WMDS?
January 25th, 2008 at 10:31 amEaster Bunnies are in league with Islamofascists to bring down our Holy Amerikan Empire! Quick! More money for defense!
January 25th, 2008 at 10:31 am#10 missmolly, good to read you here….In response…..His thinking is right on track when one considers what we have had with bush…A total looser, pretending to be christian, lier in chief run by more lier’s and thieves, dillusional, drunk, druggie that never accomplished anything good…..Yep! this fool fit’s right in with the rest……Blessings
January 25th, 2008 at 10:32 amEaster Bunnies are in league with Islamofascists to bring down our Holy Amerikan Empire! Quick! More money for defense!
Comment by cavjam — January 25, 2008 @ 10:31 am
We do have the Holy Hand Grenade…
January 25th, 2008 at 10:32 amI am so sick of having to try to decide whether our potential leaders are either insanely delusional or merely evil.
WHY WOULD WE EVER ACCEPT THAT THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN DO???????
Wouldn’t your next door neighbor be a better choice that this guy?
January 25th, 2008 at 10:34 amHucknuckle. Whatta frikkin jerk! That dead horse is beaten FLAT as roadkill by now.
January 25th, 2008 at 10:35 amWe will be such a better country when self-delusion is no longer a promotable skill.
January 25th, 2008 at 10:36 amI still think Saddam’s secret army of flying monkeys flew all the WMD to the dark side of the moon. That’s the only theory that really makes sense, if you think about it.
January 25th, 2008 at 10:37 amNo, no, wait, they were hidden in stockings on Saddam’s mantle! Or Saddam putting them out on a plate with cookies and Santa took them! They put them in a picnic basket and they were stollen by Yogi Bear! He lit a fire under them and Smokey Bear covered them with dirt! He swaddled them in linens and a stork carried them away! He put them in a basket and sent them down the river! He built this big elaborate wooden horse and…a goose! A goose laid the WMDs and Sam I Am ate them with ham!
January 25th, 2008 at 10:43 amIsrael’s top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Moshe Yaalon, told the Sun that Saddam “transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria.â€
Comment by good_golly
You have lost your credibility……….this is your source? gg your straw has mold.
January 25th, 2008 at 10:45 amAs a typical reich-winger, facts and reality are not a priority.
January 25th, 2008 at 10:46 am“Just because you didn’t find every Easter egg didn’t mean it wasn’t planted.”
By July or August you should be able to find those eggs just by smell.
January 25th, 2008 at 10:46 amYet he claims he knows what went on.
AND he expects Americans to believe him.
Amazing!
Comment by missmolly — January 25, 2008 @ 10:26 am
Maybe, he received a phone call from God advising him of this information.
January 25th, 2008 at 10:46 ammaybe wolfie can tell us…
Wolfowitz appointed chairman of arms-control advisory panel
Security board offers insight to State Department
Bloomberg News / January 25, 2008
WASHINGTON - Paul Wolfowitz, the former World Bank president and former deputy secretary of defense who was instrumental in the US decision to invade Iraq in 2003, has been named chairman of a panel that advises the State Department on arms-control issues.
[…]
Joseph Cirincione, a senior fellow and director for nuclear policy at the Center for American Progress, a Washington-based policy research group, criticized Wolfowitz’s appointment.
“The advice given by Paul Wolfowitz over the past six years ranks among the worst provided by any defense official in history,†Cirincione said. “I have no idea why anyone would want more.â€
January 25th, 2008 at 10:46 am[…]
http://www.boston.com/ news/ nation/ washington/ articles/ 2008/ 01/ 25/ wolfowitz_appointed_chairman_of_arms_control_advisory_panel/
The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein’s air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.
http://www.nysun.com/article/26514
Comment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 10:38 am
So a non-Arab Iraqi Christian who trained in the United States and who was once imprisoned by Saddam is making this assertion? Well, it must be true. Why would he have any reason to lie? Certainly not to curry favor with the invading army and get himself a high-level job in the new Iraqi government.
After all, Iraqis only lie when they want political asylum!
January 25th, 2008 at 10:49 amgg, be honest, do you hate all Americans or just those who do not belong to the far, far radical extremist reich-wing known as the GOPigs?
January 25th, 2008 at 10:49 amThe best part was Ron Paul saying the war was a total mistake and we must back out now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGBg8xwmlsw
Don’t know any democrats who will say that….. or voted against it in the first place.
Total honesty.
January 25th, 2008 at 10:50 amIt’s what we need.
Has BDS gripped you loons to the point that you want to give the late, great Saddam Hussein the benefit of the doubt?…
January 25th, 2008 at 10:51 amPlunger, be honest. Do you hate all Jews or just those that belong to the conservative Israeli party known as Likud?
Comment by good_golly
plunger, got any more facts for the propagandist? He thinks he can mix a racial slur into a discussion about the policies of a country…Israel……
got any real, credible facts plunger… not the liers that gg uses….
January 25th, 2008 at 10:52 amHas BDS gripped you loons to the point that you want to give the late, great Saddam Hussein the benefit of the doubt?…
Comment by Neocon
Hi, nice to meet you. Thanks for starting your conversation by calling us loons….pretty sure that will be well received.
plunger…..please bury the liars.
January 25th, 2008 at 10:53 amsounds like goon golly should have been advising the huckster…
one would think that saddam would have USED those weapons
January 25th, 2008 at 10:54 amagainst the approaching enemy… wonder why he DIDN’T…
eh? (rhetorical)
gg clearly hates Americans and US troops. A few days ago a story was published where US troops admitted they were ordered to commit atrocities in Iraq. gg said they were liars and defamed these troops. Yet, he clearly admits that he believes Saddam’s generals lock-stock-and barrel. gg, why do you hate our troops and love Saddam’s generals?
January 25th, 2008 at 10:54 amComment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 10:55 am
Liar.
January 25th, 2008 at 10:56 amDebka.com has outlined its evidence of Iraq’s WMD’s being moved to Syria.
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=780
Debka.com began in the summer of 2000, and has since received Forbes’ Best of The Web award.
Comment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 10:54 am
ROFL!!!! You cite this as “evidence”? A factless uncited article = reich-wing reality. Priceless.
I guess the fact that herr dubyah and his administration doesn’t even admit to this propaganda means nothing to you as well?
January 25th, 2008 at 10:58 amSo Syria, a nation which supported Iran during the 8 year long Iran/Iraq War and then sent their troops into Iraq to fight alongside the US in 1991 to expel Iraq from Kuwait had a change of heart and decided to bail Saddam out and take his WMD’s thus exposing their own nation to attack from the US.
Sure, sounds real logical.
-GSD
January 25th, 2008 at 10:58 amComment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 10:57 am
Your lies and propaganda have been well established.
January 25th, 2008 at 10:58 amI wonder if the Huckster’s limited knowledge of geography is a result of his “flat earther” leanings. Does he even believe in the Eastern Hemisphere?
January 25th, 2008 at 10:59 amF*(kabee & GiGi are certifiable. I’m calling for those nice young men ini clean white coats to bring along some strait-jackets.
January 25th, 2008 at 10:59 amDEBKA!
That pile of propagandistic dreck?
Funny. You might as well quote Borat.
-GSD
January 25th, 2008 at 10:59 amJesus H. Christ. That moron is like, retarded. :o/
January 25th, 2008 at 10:59 amIf this is true then,
our intelligence community sucks,
just like Cheney said~
January 25th, 2008 at 11:00 amComment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 10:57 am
gg, you are once again proven as a liar:
You failed….again…..next
January 25th, 2008 at 11:01 amI hate nobody Quack Matt. Not even you.
Comment by good_golly
I believe you hate yourself….that is the only thing that can explain it.
good work plunger……I would much rather have factual data posted here than the fear and smear lies of the trolls. I am so tired of the lies. If people are going to come here then better to have lots of verifiable data for them to read than to provide a place for the trolls to deficate…….
January 25th, 2008 at 11:01 amIt’s a conspiracy by the same dirty Jews that killed JFK, made Jimmy Hoffa disappear and keep captured UFO’s hidden in secret compounds. Those bastards!
Comment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 10:59 am
Or the conspiracy that Saddam moved his WMD to Syria. Those bastards!
January 25th, 2008 at 11:01 amRight, Huckleberry! And the moon is really made of swiss cheese!
January 25th, 2008 at 11:02 amAwright, GiGi! way to keep the flame of right-wing delusion burning brightly!
And now you’ve got your very own presidential candidate too!
Man, I knew that trolls loved the idea that a ruthless dictator would hide his most powerful weapons rather than using them on the most powerful army on earth that was poised to invade his land, but I never thought a viable presidential candidate would go for that cockamamie theory.
But now that Gigi has produced a link to a story in the most reputable NY Sun, relying on the word of Saddam’s no.2, I guess they’ve now got definitive proof. I mean, he’s got to be just as trustworthy as Curveball, right?
January 25th, 2008 at 11:03 amgg is moments away from linking an article to newsmax to “prove” her point.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:03 amBreaking News:
John McCain sings: Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb JorDAN!
-GSD
January 25th, 2008 at 11:03 amAgain, if Bush would have permitted the inspectors to continue to do their job, we would have discovered the truth. All of this is pure conjecture and guesswork and a candidate who spews this nonsense is hammering a nail into their own campaign coffin.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:03 amAnd goony, gotta tell ya, yer soundin’ pretty retarded yerself, boy. Yikes!!
January 25th, 2008 at 11:03 amThe Flying Spaghetti monster ordered Saddam’s secret army of flying monkeys to signal the Asgard to beam up the WMDs and transported them to Alpha Centauri and to return them when the Islamofascist Easter Bunny signals the ‘all clear’.
Yeah, that’s what REALLY happened.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:04 amDebka.com has outlined its evidence of Iraq’s WMD’s being moved to Syria.
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=780
Comment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 10:54 am
From Debka:
So if all of Iraq’s weapons were delivered by tanker trucks to Syria and Lebanon in January 2003, and we have conclusive satellite photos confirming this, then why was this not mentioned in Colin Powell’s February 2003 address to the UN Security Council?
January 25th, 2008 at 11:04 amRalph: Curveball #2, indeed! This is all spin to garner support from the overwhelming disbelievers in this amoral, illegal war and support for their candidate. Drivel and bullshit - the GOP’s mantra.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:05 am51. Thank you plunger….your posts have been enlightening! I usually just lurk and chuckle at the trolls but you have really been schooling me. I now have to find your other posts. Thanks again!
January 25th, 2008 at 11:05 amYou cite this as “evidence� A factless uncited article = reich-wing reality. Priceless.
Comment by Dr. Matt — January 25, 2008 @ 10:58 am
Dr. Matt. you have to account for the lowering of the bar on “facts” for the right-wing.
When reality is so unkind to their ideas, they kind of have to try to make chicken salad out of chicken sh!t. And then they have to convince themselves that it tastes good.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:05 amReally, who gives a flying poop ? Shock and Awe Syria, Jordan, and Iran with atomic and hydrogen bombs just for good measure and to be safe. They are just a bunch of Islamo-Fascist rag-heads. They got oil - we want it - send the troops in - so we can fuel up our SUVs.
Huckabee is a Christian/Zionist he can do anything he wants in the Middle East - provided it advances the Christo/Zionist Crusades for petroleum.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/87oEmMfo.jpg
January 25th, 2008 at 11:05 am48. I said no such thing Quack Matt. Disagree with me if you wish (like miss molly does quite well), but don’t lie about me.
Comment by good_golly
yes you did…..minister of misinformation and you want to be taken seriously
come on plunger……the liars are still getting in a lie or an assult on a poster every now and then…..they can’t post anything that is credible so gg used general from israel as a source…..heh…now that’s funny.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:06 amIndeed, toasterhead! If this not-so-covert delivery by tankers actually occurred, where was Bush’s intel on it back then? Asleep while Powell lied? This is reichwing garbage now - an defacto and desperate attempt to convert the consciousness about WMD’s. At this point, we know the truth and most americans are not buying a single word they have to say. The damage has been done. It’s over for the Rethugs in 08 and they know it and are becoming very, very desperate.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:07 amAs I’ve said before:
If there were no WMD, Saddam wasn’t a threat and the invasion was illegal.
If the WMD had been moved to Syria, Jordan, or anywhere else, Saddam wasn’t a threat and the invasion was illegal.
If Saddam had WMD, and refused to use them against our invasion force, he wasn’t a threat and the invasion was illegal.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:08 amMaybe the conversation needs to turn to the DU effects of our disgusting Shock & Awe?
January 25th, 2008 at 11:08 amThe ISG concluded that “Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991.â€
yes, and while Saddam did use chemical weapons on the Kurds (we saw the shocking pics on TV at the time), that was in 1988… authorization for the attack Iraq was in 2002… why didn’t we attack in 1988? oh, that’s right, I forgot - we were allies!
January 25th, 2008 at 11:08 amMY GOD!!!!! The Easter Bunny is involved!!!!! These muslims will stop at nothing. no wait, that’s not a muslim symbol……….
And now it’s Jordan. This guy is pulling rabbits (pun) out of his republocrack.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:09 amHammer away on Huckabee all you want, but do it fairly. He is a VP candidate at best. I’ve already voted in my primary, and it wasn’t for him.
Comment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 11:06 am
Who cares? We’re hammering away at Huckabee (and you, too, Gigi) for embracing the absurd delusion that a ruthless tyrant with a stockpile of weapons of mass destruction would choose to stick them under the mattress rather than use them against his most hated enemy that had announced it was coming for him.
Seems fair to me to attack that magical thinking.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:09 amBush has weakened the US.
North Korea is dragging its feet on their disarmament.
Russia is threatening nuclear reprisals.
China is telling the US to F-off and humiliating the US by turning away US navy ships in Taiwan.
Iran has told the US to F-off and ‘no thanks’ we don’t need to meet with you, period.
Al Qaeda is putting out more videos than Dane Cook.
-GSD
January 25th, 2008 at 11:09 amPete: Three for three and this supposed credible new info is totally irrelevant anyway. As you’ve so eloquently stated, it’s a moot point if he moved it or there was no WMD. Six of one/half dozen of another - nothing credible or new to discuss here!!
January 25th, 2008 at 11:10 amAl Qaeda is now launching a war on Easter!
Call Bill O’Reilly and tell him to drop the dildo and man the Easter Bunny barricades stat.
-GSD
January 25th, 2008 at 11:10 am“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” — Joseph Goebbels
January 25th, 2008 at 11:11 amI’ll tell you what offends me. bush sent troops to assalt bagdad and had them wearing chemical suits for protection when they knew there was no chance of chemicals being used…..causing the deaths of many US soldiers.
Just one example of bush letting people die to cover his lies.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:12 amOh, Gigi… seek some help. Seriously.
Either you’re being driven by an insatiable need for attention and thus are willing to say anything no matter how nonsensical in order to get that attention, or you’re really delusional and should be on medication of some sort.
Only a qualified therapist can tell for sure.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:13 amgoodgolly you are wrong.
What the USA does is worse.
They try to export culture and reap benefits from resources indirectly.
It’s cowardly and anti-Natioanlistic.
Mexico gives us cheap labor
January 25th, 2008 at 11:13 amCube gives us a cover for propping up the miltary-industrial complex (they used too anyway-now it’s just a plave where we run torture centers).
So a non-Arab Iraqi Christian who trained in the United States and who was once imprisoned by Saddam is making this assertion? Well, it must be true. Why would he have any reason to lie? Certainly not to curry favor with the invading army…
Comment by toasterhead — January 25, 2008 @ 10:49 am
Your logic also applies to Iraqi “…senior policy, program, or intelligence officials…” who didn’t admit “…any direct knowledge of such movement of WMD.” ;)
January 25th, 2008 at 11:14 amPete: Three for three and this supposed credible new info is totally irrelevant anyway. As you’ve so eloquently stated, it’s a moot point if he moved it or there was no WMD. Six of one/half dozen of another - nothing credible or new to discuss here!!
Comment by Veritas — January 25, 2008 @ 11:10 am
Thanx. But, it’s not really complicated. Bushco turned us into a criminal nation and it’s gonna take a looooong time to regain our standing.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:14 amyes, and while Saddam did use chemical weapons on the Kurds (we saw the shocking pics on TV at the time), that was in 1988… authorization for the attack Iraq was in 2002… why didn’t we attack in 1988? oh, that’s right, I forgot - we were allies!
Comment by Pete Bogs — January 25, 2008 @ 11:08 am
Don’t forget who had the contract to build those chemical weapons plants in 1988:
http://www.democracynow.org/ 2003/ 12/ 24/ declassified_documents_bechtel_planned_to_evade
January 25th, 2008 at 11:16 amReference, please, the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, by which the US stole about a third of mexico, i ncluding new mexico, arizona, california, colorado, utah, and nevada…
January 25th, 2008 at 11:17 amthe US in fact and in effect did own Cuba until Castro–that’s why he’s so hated…
Okinawa is nominally a japanese possession, but with 14 USer bases there, the distinction is moot…
So this scenario goes as we had to invade Iraq and topple Saddam because of WMD’s that would be used against us. These WMD’s are now in Jordan. But we don’t know where they are in Jordan or who controls them. But they can still be used against us. Then the fear is still there. But we won’t leave Iraq because it’s AQ and insurgents will harm us (and now Iraqis).
I was going to go on but you get the picture.
How much blood and treasure needs to be lost on this? Who is going to pay? Who decides?
This administration has failed us and future generations because of fear. All who followed them are undeserving to lead or hold office in this country.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:17 amWell, we KNOW that Iraq USED to have WMD’s.
Pres. Reagan SOLD them WMD’s in the 80’s!
This is a fact that neo-cons never want to talk about. Go figure.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:17 amcomment by GiGi @11:09
That it! I AM DEFINETLY CALLING FOR THOSE NICE YOUNG MEN IN THEIR CLEAN WHITE COATS TO TAKE GiGi AWAY IN A STAIT-JACKET.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:17 amyes, and while Saddam did use chemical weapons on the Kurds (we saw the shocking pics on TV at the time), that was in 1988… authorization for the attack Iraq was in 2002… why didn’t we attack in 1988? oh, that’s right, I forgot - we were allies!
Comment by Pete Bogs — January 25, 2008 @ 11:08 am
Don’t forget who had the contract to build those chemical weapons plants in 1988:
http://www.democracynow.org/ 2003/ 12/ 24/ declassified_documents_bechtel_planned_to_evade
Comment by toasterhead
when I examine our history with Iran, I just can’t understand why they don’t love us.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:18 amHammer away on Huckabee all you want, but do it fairly. He is a VP candidate at best. I’ve already voted in my primary, and it wasn’t for him.
Comment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 11:06 am
Fairly…? Fairly…??
Yeah, like you reichers are fair to Hillary Clinton, Obama and John Edwards…?
Ri-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-ght. Whatever you say, goony. *eyeroll*
January 25th, 2008 at 11:18 am89. Plunger, you are right…it hasn’t been updated since 2006 but its a good place to start, so thanks. You also dropped some serious links yesterday in other posts that I meant to bookmark and pass on to family. I’m hunting those down now…..
January 25th, 2008 at 11:19 amwhen I examine our history with Iran, I just can’t understand why they don’t love us.
Comment by Fred — January 25, 2008 @ 11:18 am
I know! They’re so ungrateful, after we were nice enough to arm them in the 1980s through the Iran-Contra Scandal (while simultaneously arming their enemy in Iraq).
January 25th, 2008 at 11:20 amGood luck un-shitting that particular bed…
January 25th, 2008 at 11:21 amnagahapun…
under Bush, the USofA revealed its true nature: world-class bully, international thug and globalist gunsel. Once revealed, that cat is NOT going back in the bag.
The rest of the world is (still) less comatose from propaganda than are theinhabitants of the USofA…
when I examine our history with Iran, I just can’t understand why they don’t love us.
Comment by Fred — January 25, 2008 @ 11:18 am
I know! They’re so ungrateful, after we were nice enough to arm them in the 1980s through the Iran-Contra Scandal (while simultaneously arming their enemy in Iraq).
Comment by toasterhead
I know…..nothing like a good arms race to make the defense contractors richer…….funny….it’s always republicans that sell out America…..hmm
January 25th, 2008 at 11:27 am77. The unique thing about the U.S. compared to other superpowers in history is that we do not go to war to take land or to capture other natural resources. If we had, we would own the likes of Mexico, Cuba, Japan, etc…. We have not taken Iraq’s oil, and have no intention of doing so.
Comment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 11:09 am
Wrong. The unique thing about the U.S. compared to other superpowers is that we learned from their mistakes. We know from the examples of European Colonialism that it is extremely expensive to occupy a foreign country militarily in order to exploit their natural resources.
We learned in 1953, with the overthrow of Presiden Mossadegh in Iran, that it’s so much easier to use covert operations and economic hit men to install friendly governments in these foreign countries who are then sympathetic to our corporations and sign lucrative deals with them that guarantee profits for the companies, cheap resources for Americans, and perpetual debt slavery and poverty for the people of these countries. We’ve been doing it around the world ever since, and we’ve gotten quite good at it.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:28 amComment by toasterhead — January 25, 2008 @ 11:28 am
Very well encapsulated, toasterhead.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:30 amOn the one hand it is absolutely amazing that we still have braindeads who still believe the WMD myth, but on the other hand if you can believe the earth is only 6,00 years old, that a dead guy walks out of a cave after 3 days, and a virgin gave birth it’s no stretch to believe the WMD bullshit.
Who needs facts and reality when you have blind faith?
By the way, if you don’t have BDS, if you don’t hate that miserable lying POS, you aren’t paying attention. See you 25%ers next year.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:32 amWe have not taken Iraq’s oil, and have no intention of doing so.
Comment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 11:09 am
We have not taken Iraq’s oil yet because we haven’t been able to. As far as our intentions — we have been told that we invaded because Iraq had WMDs, Iraq was key in the “war on terror”, Saddam Hussein was just a really bad guy who needed to be taken out, etc. etc. etc. All BS — the real reason we’re there is for the oil, and everybody knows it.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:35 amThe unique thing about the U.S. compared to other superpowers in history is that we do not go to war to take land or to capture other natural resources. If we had, we would own the likes of Mexico, Cuba, Japan, etc…. We have not taken Iraq’s oil, and have no intention of doing so.
Comment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 11:09 am
Unique indeed. We send in our military and turn the fruits of “labor” over to the corporations so the rich can get richer while the average American pays their tax dollars to hand it over.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:37 amWe have not taken Iraq’s oil yet because we haven’t been able to. As far as our intentions — we have been told that we invaded because Iraq had WMDs, Iraq was key in the “war on terrorâ€, Saddam Hussein was just a really bad guy who needed to be taken out, etc. etc. etc. All BS — the real reason we’re there is for the oil, and everybody knows it.
Comment by missmolly — January 25, 2008 @ 11:35 am
Depends what you mean by “taken” I guess. As of November 2007 we were importing 508,000 barrels a day from Iraq:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/ pub/ oil_gas/ petroleum/ data_publications/ company_level_imports/ current/ import.html
http://www.eia.doe.gov/ pub/ oil_gas/ petroleum/ data_publications/ company_level_imports/ current/ import.html
January 25th, 2008 at 11:38 amI just wonder if these folks (huck) just totally insulate themselves from anyone who might call them out on this.
I mean even at dinner an intelligent person might say “your statement about wmd was wrong and it has been proven time and time again. Not even the people who started the lie are trying to say it was true anymore”
Do they just laugh because it just a political game, or what? Christians around the country should be calling these fakes out……people like huck make real christians look not just bad but evil……looks like you real christians would be getting tired of it by now.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:39 amI just wonder if these folks (huck) just totally insulate themselves from anyone who might call them out on this.
Comment by Fred — January 25, 2008 @ 11:39 am
They don’t have to insulate themselves. All they have to do is appear before the corporate-sponsored mainstream media, who don’t bother to call them out on anything they say.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:42 amWe have not taken Iraq’s oil, and have no intention of doing so.
Comment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 11:09 am
We have not taken Iraq’s oil yet because we haven’t been able to. As far as our intentions — we have been told that we invaded because Iraq had WMDs, Iraq was key in the “war on terrorâ€, Saddam Hussein was just a really bad guy who needed to be taken out, etc. etc. etc. All BS — the real reason we’re there is for the oil, and everybody knows it.
Comment by missmolly
agreed, who do you think is working the oilfields and the refineries………the iraqies? Iraq will/has sign with american oil companies.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:42 amYou guys are being too hard on Huck. He wasn’t talking about Easter Eggs that are pretty colors, he was talking about easter eggs like those on DVDs. When he gets to the White House, he’s going to use the presidential remote, press down down left up, and the WMDs will magically appear on doorsteps all over Beirut.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:46 amWhen I come to these kinds of blogs and comment sections where I can actually engage conservatives, sometimes I just feel demeaned that I have to spend time dealing with such incredible stupidity. It’s like sitting at home in the kitchen arguing with a potato.
What an embarassment.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:46 amComment by Gin
The article was from:
December 16, 1998
He did not invade or occupy.
I tell you the truth. I’m tired of answering to trolls. gg used a general from israels army as a credible source that the wmd were there and expected to be taken seriously.
I will talk abut the trolls but not to them………
January 25th, 2008 at 11:47 amGive it up, Gin. You’ve been peddling that irrelevant little link for days now, and everything everyone has said in response is still valid. (1998 is not 2003, Clinton did not invade, Bush lied, you’re stupid…)
Face it. You lose.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:47 amIt’s like sitting at home in the kitchen arguing with a potato.
What an embarassment.
Comment by lefty — January 25, 2008 @ 11:46 am
I find this statement highly offensive to potatoes.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:49 amIt’s like sitting at home in the kitchen arguing with a potato.
Comment by lefty — January 25, 2008 @ 11:46 am
I don’t know, Lefty… at least a potato isn’t going to answer back with right-wing deluding points. At least you can pretend a potato is actually capable of considering what you’re saying.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:49 amI think it’s more likely that that weapons of mass destruction that we know that he at one time had, he used weapons against the Kurds, good chance they may have gone to Jordan. We don’t know where they are.
What? Rummy’s a liar?
January 25th, 2008 at 11:53 amI will talk abut the trolls but not to them………
Comment by Fred — January 25, 2008 @ 11:47 am
I respect that position, Fred.
I personally am not as consistent when it comes to trolls. With some I will engage, some I will ignore, some I will just ridicule. It depends, for me, on how they behave. I trust this will not be a problem with us.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:55 amDo they just laugh because it just a political game, or what? Christians around the country should be calling these fakes out……people like huck make real christians look not just bad but evil……looks like you real christians would be getting tired of it by now.
Comment by Fred — January 25, 2008 @ 11:39 am
Fred, you don’t understand. The Christian leadership says that Muslum leaders should call out the radical terrorists.
The Christian leaders don’t believe its their job to call out hypocrites in their own ranks. I mean whats a “white lie” now and then, when more important things are at stake. Gay marriage is a threat to their marriages, don’t ya know? Must stop the gays from getting married because if they marry, there are fewer to pick up in the bars and bathrooms and it makes people like Haggard unhappy with their marriage.
/snark
January 25th, 2008 at 11:57 amOh if you argue with a potato long enough it starts saying how you hate the troops and you want us to lose in Iraq, how you’re a socialist who just wants everyone to eat broccoli, and how you want every potato to die in a terrorist attack because you won’t let President Bush spy on your potato garden.
January 25th, 2008 at 11:58 amhttp://www.nysun.com/article/26514
Comment by good_golly
You gotta love goon_golly. Something that is reported in the Sun (moonie paper) is the definitive truth and everything that the weapons inspectors said was wrong.
How’s your Tinkerbell world these days goony?
January 25th, 2008 at 12:00 pmLatest News From the CNN wire plus my commentary. When will we put a stop to this kind of media intrusion?
* Iraq preps for ‘decisive’ battle with al Qaeda 45 min - Terrorists will kill you!
January 25th, 2008 at 12:00 pm* Suspected killers — beware of these guys - Men are dangerous
* Ledger on London set 2 days before death Video - You need to be a celebrity.
* Bill Gates new project — farming - Rich people are nice - become rich.
* N.Y. Times makes endorsements, rips Giuliani - Media squabbling
* Commentary: Media out of touch with voters - Same
* Ticker: McCain’s mom slams Republican base - Filler
* Sailor dad shocks kids, won’t leave again Video - Dads can be responsible, sometimes.
* WSB: Fans line up for $230 Air Jordans - Kids NEED these shoes
* SI: Federer’s Grand Slam finals streak ends - Tennis?
* Entire staff fired at failing school - You must always win!
* Losing 110 lbs transforms woman’s life 58 min - Thin is beautiful
* Miss America pageant mocks contestants 31 min - Beautiful is cool.
* WKMG: 20,000 frisky bats delay freeway work - Pointless sex story.
* Spiteful worker deletes files worth millions - Poor corporations.
Oh if you argue with a potato long enough it starts saying how you hate the troops and you want us to lose in Iraq, how you’re a socialist who just wants everyone to eat broccoli, and how you want every potato to die in a terrorist attack because you won’t let President Bush spy on your potato garden.
Comment by lefty — January 25, 2008 @ 11:58 am
This is what you get for buying genetically-modified, conventionally-grown potatoes. I strongly suggest you switch to organics.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:02 pmOh if you argue with a potato long enough it starts saying how you hate the troops and you want us to lose in Iraq, how you’re a socialist who just wants everyone to eat broccoli, and how you want every potato to die in a terrorist attack because you won’t let President Bush spy on your potato garden.
Comment by lefty — January 25, 2008 @ 11:58 am
Oh, hell. In that case, just bake the motherf*@ker.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:02 pmI strongly suggest you switch to organics.
Comment by toasterhead — January 25, 2008 @ 12:02 pm
Didn’t you know? The Doughy Pantload says organic foods are fascist!
January 25th, 2008 at 12:03 pmI wouldn’t even want this guy to run my college class, let alone the Exec Branch!
January 25th, 2008 at 12:03 pmThis is what you get for buying genetically-modified, conventionally-grown potatoes. I strongly suggest you switch to organics.
But the organic potatoes make for bad practice in arguing with conservatives.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:05 pmI personally am not as consistent when it comes to trolls. With some I will engage, some I will ignore, some I will just ridicule. It depends, for me, on how they behave. I trust this will not be a problem with us.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama
Not at all Ralph……
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January 25th, 2008 at 12:06 pmDon’t know any democrats who will say that….. or voted against it in the first place.
Total honesty.
It’s what we need.
Comment by Constitutionalist
Dennis Kucinich said that and acted on it long before Ron Paul did.
Personally, I’m not sure that Paul really believes the things he is saying about Iraq. I think he may just be very clever and realize that a politician from the right who thinks that Iraq was a mistake might just appeal to the 68% of Americans who say that Iraq was a mistake.
I don’t trust Paul as far as I could throw him.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:07 pm“I don’t trust Paul as far as I could throw him”
With the right wind-elevation and wind-speed you could probably get some good air on the Presidential candidate. I say we take this to Mythbusters. Who’s in?
(P.S - I think Ron Paul and the now departed Kucinich are fantastic)
January 25th, 2008 at 12:13 pmWhat an embarrassment to this country to have a clown like this still in the mix. Is this phenomenon unique to the good ol’ USofA or do other countries in the western hemisphere also have a significant populations of cretins who support and legitimize fools such as huckabee? I mean come one, people. Haven’t you learned your lesson with dumbya?!?!
Says a lot about the current state of the repugnican party. Pathetic!
January 25th, 2008 at 12:13 pmPersonally, I’m not sure that Paul really believes the things he is saying about Iraq. I think he may just be very clever and realize that a politician from the right who thinks that Iraq was a mistake might just appeal to the 68% of Americans who say that Iraq was a mistake.
I don’t trust Paul as far as I could throw him.
Comment by bilbobaggins — January 25, 2008 @ 12:07 pm
I don’t trust the guy either, but his stance on Iraq is consistent with his libertarianism and after watching the guy take so much abuse from the “conservative” Republicans I’m positive he’s completely sincere.
And, frankly, I could throw the little bastard a considerable distance.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:14 pmWe have not taken Iraq’s oil, and have no intention of doing so.
Comment by good_golly
LOL!!!!!!!
We’ve been doing it around the world ever since, and we’ve gotten quite good at it.
Comment by toasterhead
The whole post was perfect.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:17 pmI don’t trust Ron Paul as far as you can throw him either.
Comment by good_golly
Yet…you trust the Egg Easter Preacher. Go figure.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:19 pmSays a lot about the current state of the repugnican party. Pathetic!
Comment by LividLib
I think it’s just window dressing….I think the moderate and even some right leaning conservatives have seen enough of this type of conservatism…..I think you will see large numbers of them stay home in november. This type of conservatism will die and may take the republican party with it……we can only hope.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:19 pmWe have not taken Iraq’s oil, and have no intention of doing so.
Comment by good_golly
You are a complete joke.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:19 pmDuring Thursday’s Republican debate, moderator Tim Russert asked the candidates: Was the war in Iraq a good idea and has it been worth the blood and treasure we have lost. Watch their answers: Viedeo
John McCain, the Republican Party’s most relentless and unapologetic guardian of an enduring American presence in Iraq, has become the favored candidate of antiwar voters in the Republican primaries, according to exit polls.
With the exception of Dr. Ron Paul, do you support the Republican Candidates’ position on the Iraq War?
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1631
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January 25th, 2008 at 12:21 pmThe whole post was perfect.
Comment by Juan C. — January 25, 2008 @ 12:17 pm
Thanks, though I made a few errors in detail. Mohammad Mosaddeq was Prime Minister of Iran, not President. And I misspelled President. I apologize for this error.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:22 pmTechnically correct on the oil. They have yet to take it. But they now control it, so they can drive up the price by keeping it in Iraq rather than allowing it out. The only reason they don’t outright own the oil is because the “Hydrocarbon Law” has yet to get Iraqi Parliamentary approval because Iraqi politicians are rather worried that they will not live to see the profits it the legislation passes. Rant over.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:23 pmFacing off in last night’s debate just days before Florida’s make-or-break primary, the assembled Republican White House hopefuls were, so to speak, untrue to form. While Mitt Romney performed new backflips to extricate himself from the flip-flops that define so him, John McCain tried to evade his past confessions of his ignorance of economics. And once again, Mike Huckabee pretended to disavow the theocratic agenda obviously central to his campaign.
For the run down on last night’s GOP debate lies, see:
January 25th, 2008 at 12:30 pm“Fibbing in Florida: GOP Candidates Stay Untrue to Form.”
This is stupid. Even Saddam told us in capitivity that he lied and tried to act like he had WMD when he didn’t. Of course this was the reason the world believed he had them and the reason we had to attack, but none the less Saddam lied to us. Sadly the World, the Administration, the Repugs, and the Dems believed Saddam and we were forced to invade. Huck is wrong.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:32 pmSee there bilbo, we have found common ground. I don’t trust Ron Paul as far as you can throw him either.
Comment by good_golly — January 25, 2008 @ 12:10 pm
But you trust Reverand Moon and Rupert Murdock, SHUT UP!
January 25th, 2008 at 12:36 pmThis is stupid. Even Saddam told us in capitivity that he lied and tried to act like he had WMD when he didn’t.
Comment by Roger_Roger — January 25, 2008 @ 12:32 pm
It’s comforting to know that almost 4,000 American soldiers, over 1 million Iraqis, and $2 trillion have been wasted on a practical joke.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:37 pm152
rr’s logic…….sadam was too smart…..he duped us. this petty dictator fooled the whold world and their intelligence networks……then he wants you to believe that everyone thought sadam had wmd……which is untrue…..even I, who had internet access knew better because my info did not come from bush….end.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:38 pmgummitch, you can only count the horizontal component of distance. If you dropped RP off of, say the edge of the Grand Canyon, you don’t get credit for the mile vertical.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:40 pmEven Saddam told us in capitivity that he lied and tried to act like he had WMD when he didn’t. Of course this was the reason the world believed he had them and the reason we had to attack, but none the less Saddam lied to us. Sadly the World, the Administration, the Repugs, and the Dems believed Saddam and we were forced to invade. Huck is wrong.
Comment by Roger_Roger — January 25, 2008 @ 12:32 pm
So you have a link to the video of Saddam’s confession, right Rog? Well put it up so we can all see it.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:41 pmwe were forced to invade.
LOL Saddam was so smart that Bush was forced to invade. LOL
RR is bing stupid again.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:42 pmRR is bing stupid again.
Comment by Nature Rules — January 25, 2008 @ 12:42 pm
STILL.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:42 pmoops,
RR is being stupid again.
OR
RR is, BING, stupid again.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:43 pmgummitch, you can only count the horizontal component of distance. If you dropped RP off of, say the edge of the Grand Canyon, you don’t get credit for the mile vertical.
Comment by nanlichi — January 25, 2008 @ 12:40 pm
You’ve never seen me use my hips; I can get a pretty good launch horizontally.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:45 pmwe were forced to invade.
Comment by Roger_Roger — January 25, 2008 @ 12:32 pm
You have a strange idea of “being forced to do something”, R2.
Very strange indeed.
Of course, that may be just a function of your need to place the blame for the invasion somewhere other than at the feet of a Republican president.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:48 pmThe Bush-commissioned Iraq Survey Group, charged with determining the truth regarding Saddam’s weapons programs, declared in its final assessment that “it was unlikely†that any such official transfer to Syria took place…
Hard to “transfer” weapons that don’t exist.
The ISG had plenty enough time to talk to anyone that might have been involved in any such transfers, and plenty of time to talk to the people who would have known about even the existence of such weapons. In talks with the latter, and examination of records, etc., they concluded that the weapons programs had been shut down and that there were no such weapons.
Cheers,
January 25th, 2008 at 12:50 pm“we were forced to invade”
comment by RR
Yeah, right. those Democrats would not let Bush rest until he relented and invaded as they demanded. Those nasty ole’ Democrats forced Bush to invade Iraq, just as they are demanding that he now invade Iran.
Grow up you f*(kwad.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:51 pmOne more note: Last night Brian Williams and Russert Potato were comparing electability of McCain to Clinton and Obama. Guess who they conveniently left out??
January 25th, 2008 at 12:52 pmHave you seen Hucklebee’s teeth?
The guy needs to see a dentist.
∞
January 25th, 2008 at 12:52 pmRev. Huck is certainly entertaining us while the writers are still on strike. I’m waiting for Huck to say that Bin Laden is really chained up in the WH basement.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:53 pmHave you seen Hucklebee’s teeth?
The guy needs to see a dentist.
∞
Comment by alphainfinityomega — January 25, 2008 @ 12:52 pm
What’s up troll? Trying to pass as a progressive? Is this the latest fad, all you trolls are doing it.
January 25th, 2008 at 12:55 pmFrom Debka:
“Indeed the US administration and its intelligence agencies, as well as Dr Kay, were all provided with Syrian maps marked with the coordinates of the secret weapons storage sites. The largest one is located at Qaratshuk at the heart of a desolate and unfrequented region edged with marshes, south of the Syrian town of Al Qamishli near the place where the Iraqi, Syrian and Turkish frontiers converge; smaller quantities are hidden in the vast plain between Al Qamishli and Az Zawr, and a third is under the ground of the Lebanese Beqaa Valley on the Syrian border.”
Do “find/replace” with “Salman Pak” for “Qaratshuk” and “palaces” for “ground”. How’s it scan? Sound familiar?
Cheers,
January 25th, 2008 at 1:03 pm#104 Fred:
…when I examine our history with Iran, I just can’t understand why they don’t love us.
Indeed. Stephen Kinzer’s fine book “All The Shah’s Men” is required reading for anyone who wants to understand the region.
Stephen Kinzer’s fine book “Overthrow” is required reading for anyone who wants to understand U.S. foreign policy for the last century.
Cheers,
January 25th, 2008 at 1:10 pm#166 alphainfinityomega
Have you seen Hucklebee’s teeth?
The guy needs to see a dentist.
No problem. They just pale in comparison to Chuck Norris’s pearly white dentures (and trophy wife) flashing constantly right beside Huck in every public appearance.
Cheers,
January 25th, 2008 at 1:16 pmWell, since the Idiot-in-Chief pulled the WMDs out of his ass in the first place, perhaps they have been thus returned. I would encourage the Huckster to start inspections immediately…
January 25th, 2008 at 1:25 pmThe really important question is: Why does he believe WMD were in Iraq during the run up to the war and why does he believe they were moved to Jordan?
If he has no reasons for having these beliefs, he should be ridiculed as being brainwashed.
January 25th, 2008 at 1:26 pmSpeaking of the Republican debate…
who do you think whispered in Mittens’ ear on a question about Saint Raygun?
Was he wearing a wire?
Was John McCain helping him cheat?
Or was Ronnie speaking to him from beyond the grave?
January 25th, 2008 at 1:30 pmSo from bush to Huckabee we just go from dumb to dumber?
January 25th, 2008 at 1:40 pm#152 - “Even Saddam told us in capitivity that he lied and tried to act like he had WMD when he didn’t. ” Comment by Roger_Roger — January 25, 2008 @ 12:32 pm
Well, aside from the WMD’s that Pres. Reagan sold him in the 80’s, he never had WMD’s.
January 25th, 2008 at 1:42 pmNow just how would the govenor know this; did he speak with Pat Robertson or did Yogi the Bear admit the WMDs where in his pic-a-nic basket?
January 25th, 2008 at 1:43 pmHuckabee: Iraq’s WMD Were Hidden Like ‘Easter Eggs’ And Then Moved To Jordan
Yeah, by themselves, with their tiny legs.
January 25th, 2008 at 1:43 pmHuck a Puck says :
I think it’s more likely that that weapons of mass destruction that we know that he at one time had, he used weapons against the Kurds, good chance they may have gone to Jordan. We don’t know where they are.
Geez, at least give the right credit for consistency, even when wrong. He would make a great successor to our current Liar In Charge, in as much as making $hit up!
By the way, the reason we don’t know where they are is because…..
January 25th, 2008 at 1:54 pmthey aren’t (in existent). Man, that must hurt like hell, eh righties. To have the French, the Germans, heck even the U.N. be correct (in assessing that the sanctions imposed by Bush I and Clinton actually prevented the production of WMD)
You guys are too funny (in a really sad sort of way)
179 nice rant DrxJ….right on the button…..
i’m stealin your last paragraph………pretty succinct.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:09 pm