Mukasey: I may never say if waterboarding is torture.
By on Jan 26th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Mukasey: I may never say if waterboarding is torture.
Earlier this week, ThinkProgress noted that two months into his tenure as Attorney General, Mike Mukasey still would not answer whether waterboarding is torture. The New York Times reports that yesterday, Mukasey hedged even more. “I didn’t say I wouldn’t answer it,” he said at a news conference. “I didn’t say that I would.” When asked about the nomination of torture advocate Steven Bradbury to the Office of Legal Counsel, Mukasey said, “Steve Bradbury is one of the finest lawyers I’ve ever met. … I want to continue working with him.”
UPDATE: Marty Lederman has more.
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Of course he won’t, for if he did, then he’d expose this administration to war crimes charges because it’s a no-brainer that people have been waterboarded. Nobody in this administration puts principles and the rule of law above party and cronyism.
January 26th, 2008 at 9:43 pmOf course you won’t you effing coward. Signed, sealed and delivered to BushitCo.
January 26th, 2008 at 9:52 pmThe Democrats that voted for this P***K should be ashamed… Deeply ashamed!
January 26th, 2008 at 9:54 pmHow coy and cute of Mukasey. agghhhh
January 26th, 2008 at 9:55 pmThanks Sen. Feinstein, you complete and utter rube.
January 26th, 2008 at 10:00 pmMukasey said, “Steve Bradbury is one of the finest lawyers I’ve ever met. … I want to continue working with him.â€
You’ll get your chance, next year; while you coordinate your criminal defense strategies…
January 26th, 2008 at 10:02 pmDON’T WORRY….HE AND HIS NEOCON BUDDIES WILL KNOW SOON ENOUGH.
January 26th, 2008 at 10:02 pmJews THRIVE on torturing Arabs.
January 26th, 2008 at 10:09 pmThe Democrats that voted for this P***K should be ashamed… Deeply ashamed!
Comment by Merlin
Thanks Sen. Feinstein, you complete and utter rube.
Comment by barfly
Feinstein and Schumer…both Jews more concerned with the welfare of Israel, than the United States.
January 26th, 2008 at 10:12 pmComment by barfly — January 26, 2008 @ 10:00 pm
Actually, barfly, she’s the exact opposite… a very cynical, slimy operator.
Did you know her husband owned a 25% interest in a company that was awarded a $600MM contract for services related to the Iraq invasion. This was, of course, AFTER she voted FOR the invasion.
W/ only a modest 5% return on gross revenues, that contract should have put somewhere in the ‘hood of $7MM +/- in the loving couple’s pockets.
Little conflict of interest there, Di?
This has been pointed several times on TP over the last couple of years, mostly by trolls trying to be obnoxious, but by me too. I have never been a fan of DiFi, as they used to call her in SF.
A rube? HARDLY!!!!
January 26th, 2008 at 10:16 pmWell, well, if it isn’t a lil Nazi troll!
January 26th, 2008 at 10:17 pmOkay, folks, start flagging JoJo.
January 26th, 2008 at 10:20 pmMukasey should be ordered to answer Congress’ question with a “Yes” or “No” or face impeachment and removal from office. His refusal to state categorically one way or the other amounts to obstruction of justice at least, and contempt of Congress at worst.
January 26th, 2008 at 10:28 pmWayne, didn’t he tell the Senate he’d get back to them on the torture issue? I’m sure they could impeach him for impersonating someone with integrity…
January 26th, 2008 at 10:29 pmOkay, folks, start flagging JoJo.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — January 26, 2008
Agreed and done.
January 26th, 2008 at 10:33 pmI believe there is no place on this board for racism, anti-Semitism or any other form of prejudicial hatred. Period.
Mukasey: I may never say if waterboarding is torture.
here we go again, TP…
January 26th, 2008 at 10:34 pmi know there are no quotation marks, but it’s still misleading…
just take out the “I” and the headline will be totally truthful…
think?
Comment by RUCerious — January 26, 2008 @ 10:29 pm
I recall him saying something like he had not had time to look into it yet. There was at least the implication that he would, and announce his position. However I haven’t looked it up. Anyone have the exact quote?
January 26th, 2008 at 10:36 pmMukasey is a fuc*ing coward and a shill for fascists.
-GSD-
January 26th, 2008 at 10:44 pmFeinstein and Schumer…both Jews more concerned with the welfare of Israel, than the United States.
Comment by JoJo The Dog-Faced Boy — January 26, 2008 @ 10:12 pm
I think the correct terminology for Feinstein and Schumer are AIPACists/Zionists/Likudists. You open yourself to the “anti-semitism” tag, although I know what you are trying to say.
Now, that aside, I agree that Lieberman, Schumer, and Feinstein are more concerned with those parties in Israel I just spoke about than the citizens of the USA.
January 26th, 2008 at 10:58 pmHere is one quote given at his confirmation hearings.
“I don’t know what’s involved in the techniques. If waterboarding is torture, torture is not constitutional”
The implication given here, and by now proven to be deceptive, is that he will look into it and when he has formed his decision will “let you know.”
Of course, he and Julie Annie are close buddies, and his son works closely with him. He has said he would recuse himself from anything involving his good buddy. That says a lot, eh?
January 26th, 2008 at 11:02 pmPretty pathetic comment, Gin…
Whatsammatta, yer blow up sheep spring a leak?
January 26th, 2008 at 11:20 pmMoo-cow-see. See the Moo-cow-see. Exactly what planet is the Moo-cow-see on anyway? Oh, the Bush crime family planet, where up is down, wrong is right and all the Moo-cows are made of green cheese, see?
January 26th, 2008 at 11:22 pmHey Gin, Bushco has killed thousands…..plenty of PROOF around, how about you?
January 26th, 2008 at 11:26 pmGin, go find some tonic, and stay the fu(k on topic.
January 26th, 2008 at 11:29 pmGin is short for Gin Blossom.
Just sayin’….
January 26th, 2008 at 11:30 pmplenty of PROOF around, how about you?
Comment by wisedup — January 26, 2008 @ 11:26 pm
Yeah… as much as Chappaquiddick was a nasty, unfortunate incident, I don’t think it equates to the hideous bloodbath Herr Brusch helped unleash in Iraq. I’m more than a little astonished and disgusted at how trolls like Gin keep trying to twist this around.
Howzabout a little white phosphorus, Gin?
January 26th, 2008 at 11:31 pmComment by Gin — January 26, 2008 @ 11:15 pm
If this is all you can come up with, troll, go back to LG Footfungus and read up on politics.
Boy the trolls are pathetic these days! Almost makes me wish for Valient Venus to reappear….Ugh…did I just say that???
January 26th, 2008 at 11:33 pmGin Blossom or Gin Rummy? You make the call…
January 26th, 2008 at 11:34 pmYes, you did, Merlin…
Trolls got nuthin’ ta go with these days.
How would YOU like to be stuck trying to find something good to say about Brusch and the GOOP these days?
January 26th, 2008 at 11:35 pmTRoS, they didn’t accidently start WWIII today, that’s something good…
January 26th, 2008 at 11:38 pmThis guy is no better than Gonzo. He’s a YES man with no intregrity, so what does anyone expect. I hope Mukasey can sleep at night knowing that he condons torture. I remember the trials at Nurnburg, when the judges claimed that they were just following orders. They got lifes sentences for condemning people they knew to be innocent and approving torture and murder of prisoners as well as civilains.
If Judge Mukasey thinks that history will forget what he has done, he’s got another thought coming. He doesn’t have the luxury of working for a popular President. This adminstration will go down as one of the most corrupt, devisive, dishonest, and criminal in history. Why would any honest Judge want to join such an administration unlike he was as corrupt and dishonest?
January 26th, 2008 at 11:38 pmAnd they didn’t start it deliberately, either, RU.
Damn, that makes it a great day for the GOOP. Well, mebbe not for them, but for us, fer sure.
Come to think of it, that somehow seems like a possibility… Brusch gets tanked up some night, decides to ride his bicycle in the War Room, as a joke, falls off the bike and face first onto “The Button”…
And voila (as the French would say…), it’s “Dr Stranglove”, redux…
January 26th, 2008 at 11:42 pmMerlin — January 26, 2008 @ 11:33 pm
O NO YOU DI-UNT!
January 26th, 2008 at 11:43 pmValient Venus to reappear….Ugh…did I just say that???
Comment by Merlin — January 26, 2008 @ 11:33 pm
If she shows up — you’re the designated hitter…
January 26th, 2008 at 11:45 pmfor a second there I thought someone was a designated shitter…!
January 26th, 2008 at 11:48 pmThat too….
January 26th, 2008 at 11:50 pmVenus is what global warming looks like if things go unchecked.
HELL!
January 26th, 2008 at 11:53 pmDear Mr. Mukaskey:
Believe it or not, we’re not all sitting around awaiting YOUR definition of water torture, any more than we would be awaiting YOUR definition of gravity.
We all grew up hearing about water torture, and we know how to use an encyclopedia and a dictionary.
YOUR definition is irrelevant.
We all know THE definition.
January 26th, 2008 at 11:59 pmWhat else can you expect from an immoral and unethical Bushie? SSDD.
January 27th, 2008 at 12:03 amOh oh oh oh oh I have a solution!
Listen to me kiddies!
Lets waterboard Mr. Mukasey until he says it is torture or until 2 hours elapse.
Maybe he is strong enough to stand by his convictions?
Either way, a win for humanity.
January 27th, 2008 at 12:15 amOK Dems in Congress – you passed this guy even though he wouldn’t say if waterboarding is torture. You could have held him up, but you didn’t.
Now you have your answer – he’s nominated, he doesn’t care what you think.
January 27th, 2008 at 12:18 amI agree with Marty Lederman:
[. . .] Instead, Mukasey should be asked:
– whether hypothermia, threats, stress positions, and severe sensory and sleep deprivation are torture or cruel treatment; and
– whether he agrees with OLC that, for purposes of the Torture Act, physical suffering cannot be “severe” unless it is of “extended duration or persistence.”
If Mukasey is giving cover to other techniques, by refusing to admit waterboarding is torture, the Senate dems should get him on record.
Next year, we’ll have plenty of time to sort it all out.
January 27th, 2008 at 12:35 amNext year, we’ll have plenty of time to sort it all out.
Comment by barfly — January 27, 2008 @ 12:35 am
I hope you’re right…..
January 27th, 2008 at 12:37 amComment by barfly — January 27, 2008 @ 12:35 am
If Mukasey is giving cover to other techniques, by refusing to admit waterboarding is torture, the Senate dems should get him on record.
Excellent point, barfly.
January 27th, 2008 at 1:14 amThe opinion of the attorney general is simply not important. Waterboarding is recognized as torture both by United States court martial precedent and by various international courts. The attorney general is not responsible for making or interpreting the laws, he is only responsible for leading the prosecution of lawbreakers. Mr. Mukasey clearly has no intent of doing his job and prosecuting those who have broken it. His bizarre interpretations of the law may allow those who have tortured prisoners in their care to go free for now. However, there should be no statute of limitations on crimes like these so they can be prosecuted when an administration which is respectful of the rule of law comes into office. The obstruction by this administration will make the investigations and prosecutions more difficult for sure, but by no means should preclude them.
January 27th, 2008 at 1:18 amComment by Zooey — January 27, 2008 @ 12:37 am
I hope you’re right…..
Yes, Zooey, after 2004 and the hopes we all had, caution is a natural response. However, this is not 2004. That was the darkest moment before the dawn. The momentum started to radically shift when Bush proclaimed that he had a mandate and was going to torpedo SS in Jan 2005.
2006 was the first visual proof that things were really different and real change was under way. Since then, everything happening points to a Democratic tidal wave in November. One sign not pointed out in the MSM is the large number of rethug Congress critters that are resigning rather than face defeat. They want to “spend more time with their families.” Look at Lott! Getting out while the time is ripe.
My optimism is on solid ground! Not the hopes and wishes of 2004.
January 27th, 2008 at 1:24 amMy optimism is on solid ground! Not the hopes and wishes of 2004.
Comment by Merlin — January 27, 2008 @ 1:24 am
You’re a ray of light, Merlin. I feel like I’ve been smacked down a few too many times, as a citizen of this country. I remain cautious…but hopeful.
January 27th, 2008 at 1:58 amMukasey is a lawyer and a former judge. This guy is the top law enforcement officer in the land. Yet, he parries and ducks everytime someone asks him about waterboarding. What does that tell you? It tells me this AG is no different than the last one and in some ways is worse because he is subtle and he knows when to open his mouth and when to keep it shut. Turns out he’s a Bush whore doing the bidding of the big pimp. How could someone with his legal experience not know that waterboarding fits the classic definition of assault under any penal code?! If joe smoe gets waterboarded in NYC, he can go to the cops and file a complaint for assault. In my opinion, since implements are used in this sickening act, it could conceivably be a serious felony. It certainly fits the definition of “high crimes and misdemeanors.” Ask any DA or criminal defense attorney about this. Thus, if our President (using the term loosely) approves of waterboarding or anyone else in his administration approves of it and considers it policy, this is criminal! Our cowardly congress should be laying the groundwork for impeaching these bastards for this and other well known crimes. Where are you congress now that the people need you to do your job and use the power given you by the constitution.
January 27th, 2008 at 6:38 amLet’s face it, if the Democrats had been caught waterboarding, everyone would be calling it torture.
January 27th, 2008 at 7:16 amUS STATE DEPARTMENT’S MARC GROSSMAN NAILED FOR OUTING BREWSTER JENNINGS IN NUCLEAR SECRETS MATTER INCLUDING TURKEY AND ISRAEL IN 2001 JUST PRIOR TO 9/11:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3257725.ece
From The Sunday Times
January 27, 2008
Tip-off thwarted nuclear spy ring probe
Insight: Chris Gourlay, Jonathan Calvert, Joe Lauria in Washington
AN investigation into the illicit sale of American nuclear secrets was compromised by a senior official in the State Department, a former FBI employee has claimed.
The official is said to have tipped off a foreign contact about a bogus CIA company used to investigate the sale of nuclear secrets.
January 27th, 2008 at 7:20 amTHE ROMNEY “CARELESS WHISPER”
http://www.democrats.com/node/15526
Compare the msnbc.com clip audio to any of the youtube versions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=v…feature=related
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22848324/
With the sound up on the youtube clips, you can tell that the whisper doesn’t leave off at “he raised taxesâ€; something else is whispered after that. On the msnbc.com version, however, it cuts off abruptly after “he raised taxes.†Sounds doctored…
Some are speculating now on what the rest of the whisper says. I’m more curious why it has apparently been removed from the msnbc.com video.
ELN | Homepage | 01.26.08 – 7:09 pm
NBC IS DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN A COVERUP – THEY ALTERED THE VIDEO TAPE THEY HAVE POSTED ON THEIR SITE.
THE VOICE HEARD WHISPERING IS THAT OF MITT ROMNEY, PROMPTING HIMSELF.
January 27th, 2008 at 7:25 amSince waterboarding is a general term used for many very different procedures, as long as the term “waterboarding†is used, and nothing more specific, there can never be a direct answer.
The procedure used by the U.S., called “waterboarding†by detractors, has been determined to be non-torturous, therefore it is legal. At the same time, the procedure is also very effective. Even in it’s very limited use (something like 6 times during the Bush Administration) it has given the United States very important information that has saved lives.
Bottom line: The procedure called “waterboardingâ€, as practiced by the United States is NOT torture, and is also very effective at producing results.
A win-win for the United States.
Other than a relative handful of liberals, no one really gives the issue of waterboarding much thought today. The issue was cleared up long ago when President George Bush stated that the United States does not torture.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 27, 2008 @ 7:25 am
WHAT IS CLEARLY “TORTURED” IS YOUR ATTEMPT TO REDEFINE TORTURE.
Got to Wikipedia and look up “water torture”
See if the actions described fit the precise techniques being employed by the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_torture
YOUR ATTEMPTS TO REWRITE HISTORY AND BEND REALITY ARE WHAT’S TORTURED.
January 27th, 2008 at 7:29 amWater torture
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Water torture is torture using water, which can take several forms. Because no external marks are left on victims of water torture, it has been a favoured method of torture in various countries and political regimes.
Terror of drowning
Main article: Waterboarding
Waterboarding refers to a technique involving water poured over the face or head of the subject, in order to evoke the instinctive fear of drowning.
January 27th, 2008 at 7:32 am#
“Other than a relative handful of liberals, no one really gives the issue of waterboarding much thought today.â€
Indeed. And that’s driving them nuts. They can’t fathom why people would rather feel safe, knowing that their government is doing everything to protect them, than storm the White House demandng end to war on terror.
Comment by Frank M — January 27, 2008 @ 7:30 am
Who do you believe that waterboarding is protecting us FROM? Prove your contention.
Remember when the United States used to enjoy the perceived benefit of “moral authority” in our negotiations with other countries in matters pertaining to human rights? That benefit is now gone.
Oh, that’s right, you are of the opinion that humans should have no rights, and that the government should control all human activity.
Define “Human Rights”
January 27th, 2008 at 7:38 amLOL! Are you seriously using Wikipedia as a source?
Comment by Frank M — January 27, 2008 @ 7:33 am
Ah yes, attack the source. Nice to see you, Karl.
Please provide links to any/every credible encyclopedia or dictionary that provides a definition of water torture or waterboarding that does not refer to it as a form of torture.
Efforts to redefine it does not make it so.
January 27th, 2008 at 7:40 am“As people do better, they start voting like Republicans – unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing.”
Karl Rove.
January 27th, 2008 at 7:46 amKarl Rove INVENTED the White House Iraq Group (WHIG) for one purpose. TOTAL MESSAGE CONTROL.
Rove is a genius…an evil genius.
He can only be effective when he knows literally everything. He is the REALITY CREATION ARCHITECT.
At any given time he can take a set of actual facts and use each of them to stitch together a totally false reality.
Rove knew that the truth was the enemy of their conspiracy to conquer the Middle East (the PNAC plan). His job, every single day, is to convince you, me and the rest of the world that you didn’t just see and hear what you just saw and heard…or if you did, it doesn’t mean what your logical mind is attempting to tell you – because “we’re in a post-9/11 world now” and black is white.
Karl Rove is the single most destructive force in the US Government…the enabler of the entire evil scheme…THE ARCHITECT.
The scheme includes 9/11 as the essential pretext. “9/11″ … how clever, Karl! Only someone with American sensibilities would select the number we have all memorized to call in the event of life threatening emergency as the date for this evil….
KARL ROVE.
The war plan to invade Iraq was written BEFORE 9/11. The Secret Energy Task Force meetings that Cheney had with Ken Lay and the other OIL HOGS during which they all decided how to divide up the oil fields of the Middle East…all of that was BEFORE 9/11.
Now you see why Cheney insisted the substance of those talks remain SECRET.
All of their schemes and conspiracies REQUIRED 9/11 as the essential trigger.
Cheney outsourced the implementation of the FALSE FLAG OPERATION to Mossad…the FALSE FLAG experts. This explains why over 200 Mossad agents were operating in the United States prior to 9/11. This explains why five of them were arrested, having been observed filming the planes hitting the towers and their subsequent collapse – celebrating our worst nightmare.
9/11 was not a bad day for those involved in the Conspiracy. It was their shining moment…their PRETEXT.
One of them washed out…couldn’t cope with the guilt. Ari Fleisher had to be replaced, and disappeared. Not dead, but out of sight.
The outing of Plame was designed to destroy the best WMD intelligence the US had at its disposal regarding Iraq. Plame knew for a FACT that Iraq had no WMD. It was HER JOB to know. Therefore Rove perceived Plame (the truth) as his WORST ENEMY, and conceived of a plan to silence her. Rove is the individual who insisted that Wilson be sent to Niger.
GUARANTEED.
This was the only way to launch a smear program which appeared to be aimed at Wilson, but was intended solely to shut down the entire Brewster Jennings operation and bury their WMD evidence.
THAT IS ALL ROVE.
He invented WHIG:
The group’s members included Rove, Bush advisor Karen Hughes, Senior Advisor to the Vice President Mary Matalin, Deputy Director of Communications James Wilkinson, Assistant to the President and Legislative Liaison Nicholas Calio, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley and I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby.
Every single one of these individuals is a co-conspirator in a concerted effort to defraud America into committing its troops and its treasure to invade a foreign country to the sole benefit of BIG OIL AND ISRAEL.
The pending invasion of Iran is the next phase of the very same conspiracy. Karen Kwiatkowski let us know that Larry Franklin had set up an IRAN desk in the midst of the Pentagon’s IRAQ planners. Larry Franklin has pled guilty for passing Top Secret Iranian Intelligence to AIPAC (Israel). Israeli Generals were free to come and go from the Cheney/Rumsfeld Office Of Middle East Invasion whenever they pleased, without need to sign the guest register.
IT’S ALL THE SAME CONSPIRACY.
9/11 – Afghanistan – Iraq – Iran – Syria.
READ THE PNAC.
A “New Pearl Harbor” was a REQUIREMENT for its implementation.
Rove is running the entire PsyOps Machine to enable it.
Hang them for TREASON.
http://dailydocket.blogspot.com/2006/01/propaganda.html
But whereas Hitler was a true master of propaganda, and his minister a far less talented functionary, today the situation is reversed: our propaganda minister is the master, and our leader his functionary. Karl Rove is so confident of his strategy that he now announces it to the public! In January of this year,
Rove noted that we face “a ruthless enemy” and “need a commander in chief and a Congress who understand the nature of the threat and the gravity of the moment America finds itself in.”
Here’s more:
“[T]he people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”
— Karl Rove (oops!) Hermann Goering
January 27th, 2008 at 7:47 am”We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
KARL ROVE
January 27th, 2008 at 7:48 amPersonally, I find it heartening that the vast majority of Americans actually DO know who their enemies are, even if most liberals do not.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 27, 2008 @ 7:48 am
Enlighten us. Define them. Name the country they are working for and how it is that they have become “our enemies.”
What TACTICS should be used to fight these enemies you perceive if they are in fact not governments?
January 27th, 2008 at 7:55 amFrankm…
Still awaiting all of those links to encyclopedias and dictionaries that define waterboarding as anything other than torture.
Frank?
Where’d you go?
January 27th, 2008 at 7:57 amThe broken link above about the Homeland Security contract to KBR to build concentration camps inside the United States is here:
http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B62C8724D%2DAE8A%2D4B5C%2D94C7%2D70171315C0A0%7D&dateid=38741%2E5136277662%2D858254656&siteID=mktw&scid=0&doctype=806
Who will the Administration “define” the domestic “enemies” to be that will one day inhabit these gulags? We already know for a fact what techniques they’ll be employing where torture is concerned.
Google “Swift Luck Greens”
http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=297
Cheney’s very own Concentration Camp in Wyoming…how quaint…sort of like the Geneva Conventions.
According to the Rawlins Daily Times:
http://www.wyopress.org/membersdetails.asp?newspaperID=59
Rag Shoshone coal mine closed Thursday. August 30, 2000.
In 2000 – this was the production rate for the mine:
Tons of Coal Mined in 2000: 1,209,795
Number of Employees in 2000: 67
CYPRUS SHOSHONE COAL CORPORATION
PO BOX 530
HANNA WY 82327
This is the location of SWIFT LUCK GREENS
Latitude: 41.92 Longitude: -106.521944
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Inmate_Labor_Program
Wikipedia:
Civilian Inmate Labor Program -
The Civilian Inmate Labor Program is a program of the United States Army provided by Army Regulation 210-35[1]. The regulation, first drafted in 1997 and went under a “rapid act revision” in January 2005, provides policy for the creation of labor programs and prison camps on Army installations. The labor would be provided by persons under the supervision of the Federal Bureau of Prisons.
Prison camps
The regulation also sets forth policy for the creation of prison camps on Army installations. These would be used to keep inmates of the labor programs resident on the installations.
In January 2006, Kellogg, Brown and Root reported that they had received a contract from the Department of Homeland Security to expand ICE DRO facilities “in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs.”[3] A February news article comments that the “new programs” mentioned could include the Civilian Inmate Labour Program.[4] ICE has “joint federal facilities” with the Federal Bureau of Prisons.[5]
External links
1. ^ AR 210-35 Civilian Inmate Labor Program (PDF) (2004). Retrieved on 2006-03-09.
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/47/17936
Bush’s Mysterious ‘New Programs’
By Nat Parry
Consortium News
Tuesday 21 February 2006
Not that George W. Bush needs much encouragement, but Sen. Lindsey Graham suggested to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales a new target for the administration’s domestic operations – Fifth Columnists, supposedly disloyal Americans who sympathize and collaborate with the enemy.
“The administration has not only the right, but the duty, in my opinion, to pursue Fifth Column movements,” Graham, R-S.C., told Gonzales during Senate Judiciary Committee hearings on Feb. 6.
“I stand by this President’s ability, inherent to being Commander in Chief, to find out about Fifth Column movements, and I don’t think you need a warrant to do that,” Graham added, volunteering to work with the administration to draft guidelines for how best to neutralize this alleged threat.
“Senator,” a smiling Gonzales responded, “the President already said we’d be happy to listen to your ideas.”
In less paranoid times, Graham’s comments might be viewed by many Americans as a Republican trying to have it both ways – ingratiating himself to an administration of his own party while seeking some credit from Washington centrists for suggesting Congress should have at least a tiny say in how Bush runs the War on Terror.
But recent developments suggest that the Bush administration may already be contemplating what to do with Americans who are deemed insufficiently loyal or who disseminate information that may be considered helpful to the enemy.
Top US officials have cited the need to challenge news that undercuts Bush’s actions as a key front in defeating the terrorists, who are aided by “news informers” in the words of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
Detention Centers
Plus, there was that curious development in January when the Army Corps of Engineers awarded Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root a $385 million contract to construct detention centers somewhere in the United States, to deal with “an emergency influx of immigrants into the US, or to support the rapid development of new programs,” KBR said. [Market Watch, Jan. 26, 2006]
January 27th, 2008 at 8:07 amThe Globalist Banksters figured out how to take Congress completely out of the oversight function of the US Government.
Congress was said to have “The Power Of The Purse.”
Rumsfeld and Zakheim depleted the Pentagon’s budget of $2.3 TRILLION – with Rummy announcing it less than 24 hours before the 9/11 attacks.
This meant that Congress would have no choice but to dump in a massive amount of money to fight the BOGUS WAR ON TERROR, which Rumsfeld himself created along with his Zionist Co-Conspirators.
Well prior to that time – prior to the Iran Contra Scandal, The INTELLIGENCE Complex figured out that that could completely circumvent Congress and accomplish any goal they chose by trafficking in cocaine and heroine – and using the profits to fund their operations.
A Shadow Government was created with these funds – with its own objectives – in concert with Israel and the Crown.
Congress is essentially powerless as long as the funding for the Shadow Government’s Operations comes from drug sale headed by one GHW Bush.
CNN — SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT
November 17, 1991
In the United States of America there is a hidden government about which YOU KNOW NOTHING.
Tom Golden, Chief of Counter Intelligence Strategic Defense Command: “It is highly classified and the largest program of it’s kind that I had ever become involved in”
In the United States Federal Government there is a super-secret agency which controls this Shadow Government.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/shadow/doomsday.htm
“There exists a shadowy government with its own Air Force, its own Navy,its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself.”
— Senator Daniel K. Inouye at the Iran Contra Hearings
http://www.sweetliberty.org/shadow.htm
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/secgov.html
http://villagevoice.com/news/0211,ridgeway,33050,6.html#cheney
This is being implemented by executive decisions; intrusive, unconstitutional laws being passed at the state and local levels of government; and a shadow government (the Doomsday Plan – Continuity of Government) of non-elected people that we’re told was implemented by the president on the day of infamy. . . 9-11-01.
In fact, it is NOT a plan for the Continuity of Government. It is a plan for the Continuity of the Executive Office — one branch of government.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/homeland/phaseiii.htm
How ironic it is that their greatest fear is the legalization of drugs.
The DEA is actually just a protection racket to ensure that the Bush/CIA Crime Family remains the number one drug trafficker on earth.
Ask talking head / operative General Barry McCaffrey all about it.
January 27th, 2008 at 8:27 amTHE SHADOW GOVERNMENT REVEALED:
http://www.wnd.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52576
Tuesday, October 24, 2006
THE NEW WORLD DISORDER
Documents reveal ’shadow government’
Freedom of Information request puts 1,000 new pages online
“We have hundreds of pages of e-mails from U.S. executive branch administrators who are copying the e-mail to somewhere between 25 to 100 people, a third of whom are in the U.S. bureaucracy, a third of whom are in the Mexican bureaucracy and a third of whom are in the Canadian bureaucracy,” said Corsi.
“They are sharing their laws and regulations so we can ‘harmonize’ and ‘integrate’ our laws into a North American structure, not a USA structure.”
Corsi claims the process is well along the way.
“This is totally outside the U.S. Constitution, virtually an executive branch coup d’etat,” he said. “SPP is creating new trilateral memoranda of understanding and mutual agreements which should be submitted to Senate for two-thirds votes as international treaties.”
SPP Documents
SPP Response to Jerome Corsi Freedom of Information Act Requests
The following are the documents SPP sent in response to the FOIA request submitted by J. Corsi. As you will see, SPP responded with incomplete documents, in no particular order. We have grouped the documents here in a fashion which should make examining them possible. J. Corsi is continuing to request additional FOIA-released documents from SPP.
http://stopspp.com/stopspp/?page_id=11
January 27th, 2008 at 8:28 amHey, anybody seen Frank M?
He was going to provide us with a list of links to every dictionary and encyclopedia that defines waterboarding as anything other than torture.
Frank?
January 27th, 2008 at 8:30 amSENATOR GRAHAM CALLS FOR ACTION AGAINST AMERICANS WHO DISAGREE WITH BUSH
NAT PARRY, CONSORTIUM NEWS – Sen. Lindsey Graham suggested to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales a new target for the administration’s domestic operations — Fifth Columnists, supposedly disloyal Americans who sympathize and collaborate with the enemy. “The administration has not only the right, but the duty, in my opinion, to pursue Fifth Column movements,” Graham, R-S.C., told Gonzales during Senate Judiciary Committee hearings on Feb. 6.
“I stand by this President’s ability, inherent to being Commander in Chief, to find out about Fifth Column movements, and I don’t think you need a warrant to do that,” Graham added, volunteering to work with the administration to draft guidelines for how best to neutralize this alleged threat. “Senator,” a smiling Gonzales responded, “the President already said we’d be happy to listen to your ideas.”
http://uncapitalist.com/blog/?itemid=1329
LINDSEY GRAHAM WANTS THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH THE ADMINISTRATION’S AGENDA TO BE LOCKED UP.
January 27th, 2008 at 8:34 amOBigfoot:
Tell me again, who are our enemies?
January 27th, 2008 at 8:43 amHistory Channel Admits Anthrax Attacks an Inside Job
YouTube
January 24, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdamOzrfZI0
What American could have imagined that if such crimes and travesties occurred, nothing would be done about them and that the media and opposition party would be largely silent?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15703.htm
WHAT INCIDENT SILENCED THE OPPOSITION PARTY AND THE MEDIA?
THE ANTHRAX ATTACKS – THE ONES THE PRESS SEEMS TO HAVE FORGOTTEN EVER OCCURRED.
THE ANTHRAX ATTACKS – THE ONES THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION FAILS TO REMEMBER WHEN PROCLAIMING THAT AMERICA HAS NOT BEEN STRUCK BY DOMESTIC TERROR SINCE 9/11.
CBS News ran a story recently on the ANTHRAX ATTACKS of five years ago. Their newscast stated that there are no leads, and the FBI is considering designating the attacks a “COLD CASE.”
That is a lie.
The anthrax came from a Rumsfeld-controlled DOD facility.
The Anthrax attacks were against the most prominent media talking heads, and against one member of the media who published photos of the Bush Twins drunk.
The Anthrax Attacks were also against Tom Daschle and other Democrats who opposed the invasion of Iraq and Warrantless Domestic Wire Tapping
Rumsfeld ordered it. Dr. Zack did it. It was US DOD Anthrax.
January 27th, 2008 at 8:56 amPersonally, I find it heartening that the vast majority of Americans actually DO know who their enemies are, even if most liberals do not.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 27, 2008 @ 7:48 am
so, bigfoot, you’re coming aboard with the 70% of Americans that agree that George Bush and Co. are our biggest, most dagerous enemies? Because that’s what the American people know. 9/11, Katrina, anthrax, and the devastation of the economy are the work of antiAmerican thieves and traitors, known as the GOP. Al Qaeda is their creation, as everyone knows, and their tool for stealing elections int he USA. It’s telling that you won’t admit it, and are trying to deflect instead of answer, because it’s your side that is the real enemy of America.
January 27th, 2008 at 9:22 amthen you have obviously been paying far too much attention to your conspiracy theories, and far too little attention to recent history.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 27, 2008 @ 8:14 am
You must mean the recent history that has Bushco losing Iraq, Afghanistan and the GWOT, three wars, lost, simultaneously. that’s a real sign of success. No wonder you’re in the 20% of blind, crazy antiAmerican scum.
January 27th, 2008 at 9:24 amOther than a relative handful of liberals, no one really gives the issue of waterboarding much thought today. The issue was cleared up long ago when President George Bush stated that the United States does not torture.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 27, 2008 @ 7:25 am
Another in the very long list of Bush’s antiAmerican lies. The Hague awaits the War Criminal Bush, and his supporters.
January 27th, 2008 at 9:34 amAnthrax Investigation A ‘Cold Case?’
5 Years, 53,000 Leads, 5,000 Subpoenas Later, FBI Has Nothing On Attacks
WASHINGTON, Sept. 18, 2006
Investigators look for evidence in the anthrax case. (CBS)
Quote
“There are times that we may know a lot about a crime or an event that occurred, but we may not have the admissible evidence that we need to prove it in court.”
Secretary Chertoff
(CBS) Three years ago, FBI agents slogged through the woods to a fishing pond in suburban Maryland, where they hoped to find the hidden lab equipment used in the 2001 anthrax attacks. But, as CBS News correspondent Jim Stewart reports, they pumped the pond dry and even sifted through the mud at the bottom … and found nothing
Five years, 53,000 leads, and 6,000 subpoenas after those attacks, they still have no arrests.
Things are so cold, law enforcement officials tell CBS News, that barring the discovery of new evidence, the anthrax investigation could be declared a “Cold Case” and put in the inactive files.
So who did it? Former Attorney General John Ashcroft once singled out Dr. Steven Hatfill, a bioweapons specialist, as a “person of interest.” But there have been no charges.
Former FBI counter-terrorism executive and now CBS News consultant Mike Rolince says no case has frustrated the FBI more.
“We now know that someone, or ones, can conduct an attack like this and for least the first five years, get away with it,” Rolince says.
The FBI says it remains committed to solving the crime. In a written statement, Joseph Persichini, Jr., acting assistant director of the FBI’s Washington field office said: “Today, the FBI’s commitment to solving this case is undiminished … While no arrests have been made, the dedicated investigators who have worked tirelessly on this case, day-in and day-out, continue to go the extra mile in pursuit of every lead.”
The bureau never had more than scant physical evidence, like the envelopes the anthrax was mailed in, and the terse letters inside – “Death to America” read one – and the spores themselves. But they were never able to trace the anthrax back to the attacker.
“It’s true that a vast majority of the investigation early on was figuring out the science,” Rolince says.
Nor did the administration ever entirely figure out what to do in case of another such attack. Despite a $5.6 billion effort to stockpile vaccines, just a small amount is available. Only the Pentagon has enough on hand for the troops.
Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff hints no one may ever be indicted.
“There are times that we may know a lot about a crime or an event that occurred, but we may not have the admissible evidence that we need to prove it in court,” Chertoff says.
But the thinking among investigators is more stark: If we can’t agree among ourselves who did it, they reason, how could we ever convince a jury?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/18/eveningnews/main2019769.shtml
HAVING DUTIFULLY PURSUED HATFILL TO DRAW ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE REAL CULPRIT, THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED MEDIA HAS DUTIFULLY BURIED THE CASE.
January 27th, 2008 at 9:50 amIt it very scary to think that our country is being governed by a bunch of amoral sociopaths. I can’t think of any other way to describe these people.
January 27th, 2008 at 10:07 amclearly, the guy needs to be waterboarded to get him to tell us if waterboarding is torture.
January 27th, 2008 at 10:13 amTorture would be leaving a girl underwater in the back of your Oldsmobile with a little air pocket while you run off to find a neck brace and attorney. That should be punishable by more than a slap on the wrist.
Comment by Gin
Troll Gin thinks that she is being clever. But in actuality, all she is doing is showing what a tool she really is. She is a master at the strawman argument and the RNC talking points. Also, she’s rather dumb. Right there with GG and RR.
January 27th, 2008 at 10:18 amkuvasz, you’re on the right track, but let’s do it to, say, his wife and kids, and then ask him. That wouldn’t be torture, right.?
January 27th, 2008 at 10:18 amA lot of noise about such a non-issue. Who cares about this? Nobody.
Comment by Frank M
Troll Francine shows up to tell us that torture is a non-issue. Too bad he isn’t fighting for the cause that he so dearly loves (Iraq). If he was, he would be subject to being kidnapped and tortured. And you know what, we wouldn’t be able to say a damn thing about it. You can’t condemn torture when you do it yourself. Poor Francine, I pity him.
January 27th, 2008 at 10:23 amOther than a relative handful of liberals, no one really gives the issue of waterboarding much thought today. The issue was cleared up long ago when President George Bush stated that the United States does not torture.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
OBigFootInMouth, like Francine, thinks that no one cares about the fact that we torture people. He’s also stupid enough to think that if George Bush says it, it must be true, no matter the 280+ lies he told ramping up to invade Iraq. I think that we should put OBigFootInMouth and Francine in a room with 100 parents of soldiers who are in Iraq and Afghanistan and let them tell those parents that they don’t care about the fact that we torture our prisoners. Neither of them would survive long.
January 27th, 2008 at 10:26 amIf you need me to define our enemies, and the tactics that should be used to eliminate them, then you have obviously been paying far too much attention to your conspiracy theories, and far too little attention to recent history.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
OBigFootInMouth needs to pay more attention to our recent history. If he did, he would realize that the USA has become the biggest terrorist nation on this earth. We perpetuate terror (invading countries and torturing prisoners) and we manufacture new terrorists who want to harm us (invading countries and torturing prisoners). OBigFootInMouth is a fool.
January 27th, 2008 at 10:28 amYou’re assuming two things: (1) there will be elections in November and (2) that the elected Democrats will be interested in changing any of the current policies.
Comment by Frank M
Wow, Francine seems to be advocating our country becoming a fascist state with George Bush as the Dictator and Chief. Good one Francine.
As to the Democrats being interested in changing current policies, I believe that they will be very interested in changing current policies because they see what is happening to this country and know that we have little time to change the course that is driving our bus off a cliff.
On the other hand, they may not want to change the current policy of the Unitary Executive. I almost want them to retain the powers that Herr Bush has appointed himself. It would be fun watching the Republiscums implode as they screech about how the Democratic President is ignoring the rule of law. But, I more want us to going back to a country that respects our constitution and the rule of law. I think the Democrats know that we would not put up with their abuse of power any more than we are putting up with the Republiscums abuse of power.
January 27th, 2008 at 10:32 amMy, my. For the first time ever I can say I agree with BigO when he says the vast majority og Americans recognize the enemy. The face of the enemy and their current leader is George Bush and we will kick the lying, torturing bastards to the curb in November.
By the way BigO, it’s Sunday morning in Farmington, shouldn’t you be in church dressed in your funny pajamas?
January 27th, 2008 at 10:57 amThe evidence is conclusive: Mukasey is morally bankrupt.
January 27th, 2008 at 11:21 amSo is Frank M.
January 27th, 2008 at 11:24 amAgain
Someone please clue me in on why something that has been defined and recognized as torture is being debated as to whether or not it is actually torture.
They have broken the law, there is no debate on the subject. This government is not capable of holding anyone in government accountable for their criminal activities. We’ve seen it for 7 years and it is not going to change.
I’m sure you all probably already know, but the state of Vermont is about to vote to arrest either Bush or his dad Dick for war crimes and other offenses if either of them step foot in the state.
How cool would it be if other states and other countries did the same.
January 27th, 2008 at 12:03 pmAlso, she’s rather dumb. Right there with GG and RR.
Comment by bilbobaggins — January 27, 2008 @ 10:18 am
and they have to rely on an incident from 40 years ago to try to deflect from the mass-murdering, torturing, losing Bush admalistration. How weak.
January 27th, 2008 at 2:07 pm—-
Mukasey: I may never say if waterboarding is torture.
When asked about the nomination of torture advocate Steven Bradbury to the Office of Legal Counsel, Mukasey said, “Steve Bradbury is one of the finest lawyers I’ve ever met. … I want to continue working with him.â€
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You see Schumer and Feinstein? This is a sample of your fine work. Now you’ll have to leave the Senate. We’ll see to it in your next primaries.
- Tom
January 27th, 2008 at 5:05 pmAnd Lucy pulls the ball away just before the kick once again. Could somebody in the Democratic leadership explain to me just why they keep confirming these loyalists? Did we need another Bush appointed AG that badly? I tried, oh, how I tried to convince members of the Judiciary committee that we could do without. Are they surprised? I guess they are.
January 27th, 2008 at 5:29 pmSchumer & Feinstein were such big fans of Mukasey, staking their now completely defiled reputations on his suitability for the job.
Perhaps the Schumer/Feinstein dynamic duo can waterboard an answer out of Mukasey.
January 27th, 2008 at 9:27 pmSo what are we paying Mukasey for if he can’t handle a simple task of merely stating he decision if waterboarding is torture or not.?
This is the smartest/brightest honest person for the job of top cop of the nation?
And what do we teach our children. Survival by any means of lying killing etc will get you ahead?
January 28th, 2008 at 2:27 amSo neither will he state that it is not torture? Why?
January 28th, 2008 at 11:29 am