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	<title>Comments on: GOP pamphlet argues that some earmarks are okay.</title>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/28/gop-pamphlet-argues-that-some-earmarks-are-okay/comment-page-2/#comment-4246015</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Sens. Sam Brownback and Kit Bond used earmarks last year to direct about $1 million to an area group &quot;empowering the un-churched urban poor for the kingdom of Christ.&quot;&#039;

http://www.religionandsocialpolicy.org/newsletters/article.cfm?id=7592</description>
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		<title>By: JMOHR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMOHR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good_golly has finally and irrevocably proven him/herself to be fool and an ignorant idiot.  A conference report must be approved by both houses of congress.  The purpose of a conference report is to resolve differences in legislation as passed by the House and Senate.  It is not a report that goes to the president as an explanatory statement.  My source is the Majority Office of the House Committee on Rules.  Now let us see your source.  

As to the authority of the Congress to spend the funds for the general welfare, I would point to the constitution, Article 1 Section 8 Clause 1.  Also see:  United States Supreme Court in United States v. Butler, 297 U.S. 1 (1936); Chas. Steward Machine Co. v. Davis, 301 U.S. 548 (1937); Helvering v. Davis, 301 U.S. 619 (1937); and South Dakota v. Dole, 483 U.S. 203 (1987).

Now, let us see the case law or other authority that you are relying upon that substantiate the right of the President to order agencies to refuse to spend such funds.  

The constitutional analysis is the same as that which was presented under the line item veto which had been passed as part of the Taxpayer Relief Act.  The majority opinion, as written by Justice Stevens, in Clinton v. City of New York, 524 U.S. 417 (1998) held:



&lt;blockquote&gt;The Actâ€™s cancellation procedures violate the Presentment Clause. Pp. 17â€”31.

(a) The Act empowers the President to cancel an â€œitem of new direct spendingâ€ such as Â§4722(c) of the Balanced Budget Act and a â€œlimited tax benefitâ€ such as Â§968 of the Taxpayer Relief Act, Â§691(a), specifying that such cancellation prevents a provision â€œfrom having legal force or effect,â€ Â§Â§691e(4)(B)â€”(C). Thus, in both legal and practical effect, the presidential actions at issue have amended two Acts of Congress by repealing a portion of each. Statutory repeals must conform with Art. I, INS v. Chadha, 462 U.S. 919, 954, but there is no constitutional authorization for the President to amend or repeal. Under the Presentment Clause, after a bill has passed both Houses, but â€œbefore it become[s] a Law,â€ it must be presented to the President, who â€œshall sign itâ€ if he approves it, but â€œreturn it,â€ i.e., â€œvetoâ€ it, if he does not. There are important differences between such a â€œreturnâ€ and cancellation under the Act: The constitutional return is of the entire bill and takes place before it becomes law, whereas the statutory cancellation occurs after the bill becomes law and affects it only in part. There are powerful reasons for construing the constitutional silence on the profoundly important subject of presidential repeals as equivalent to an express prohibition. The Article I procedures governing statutory enactment were the product of the great debates and compromises that produced the Constitution itself. Familiar historical materials provide abundant support for the conclusion that the power to enact statutes may only â€œbe exercised in accord with a single, finely wrought and exhaustively considered, procedure.â€ Chadha, 462 U.S., at 951. What has emerged in the present cases, however, are not the product of the â€œfinely wroughtâ€ procedure that the Framers designed, but truncated versions of two bills that passed both Houses. Pp. 17â€”24.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Indeed, the court noted that only one method could give the president such authority:



&lt;blockquote&gt;c) The profound importance of these cases makes it appropriate to emphasize three points. First, the Court expresses no opinion about the wisdom of the Actâ€™s procedures and does not lightly conclude that the actions of the Congress that passed it, and the President who signed it into law, were unconstitutional. The Court has, however, twice had full argument and briefing on the question and has concluded that its duty is clear. Second, having concluded that the Actâ€™s cancellation provisions violate Article I, Â§7, the Court finds it unnecessary to consider the District Courtâ€™s alternative holding that the Act impermissibly disrupts the balance of powers among the three branches of Government. Third, this decision rests on the narrow ground that the Actâ€™s procedures are not authorized by the Constitution. If this Act were valid, it would authorize the President to create a law whose text was not voted on by either House or presented to the President for signature. That may or may not be desirable, but it is surely not a document that may â€œbecome a lawâ€ pursuant to Article I, Â§7. If there is to be a new procedure in which the President will play a different role, such change must come through the Article V amendment procedures. Pp. 29â€”31.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now good_golly, let us hear you justify your rather infantile explanation of a Conference Report.  Let us see how you get around the Court&#039;s holding in the Clinton case which clearly rejected the authority of the President to reject spending items even with the express authority of Congress let alone under some implied right to impound funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good_golly has finally and irrevocably proven him/herself to be fool and an ignorant idiot.  A conference report must be approved by both houses of congress.  The purpose of a conference report is to resolve differences in legislation as passed by the House and Senate.  It is not a report that goes to the president as an explanatory statement.  My source is the Majority Office of the House Committee on Rules.  Now let us see your source.  </p>
<p>As to the authority of the Congress to spend the funds for the general welfare, I would point to the constitution, Article 1 Section 8 Clause 1.  Also see:  United States Supreme Court in United States v. Butler, 297 U.S. 1 (1936); Chas. Steward Machine Co. v. Davis, 301 U.S. 548 (1937); Helvering v. Davis, 301 U.S. 619 (1937); and South Dakota v. Dole, 483 U.S. 203 (1987).</p>
<p>Now, let us see the case law or other authority that you are relying upon that substantiate the right of the President to order agencies to refuse to spend such funds.  </p>
<p>The constitutional analysis is the same as that which was presented under the line item veto which had been passed as part of the Taxpayer Relief Act.  The majority opinion, as written by Justice Stevens, in Clinton v. City of New York, 524 U.S. 417 (1998) held:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Actâ€™s cancellation procedures violate the Presentment Clause. Pp. 17â€”31.</p>
<p>(a) The Act empowers the President to cancel an â€œitem of new direct spendingâ€ such as Â§4722(c) of the Balanced Budget Act and a â€œlimited tax benefitâ€ such as Â§968 of the Taxpayer Relief Act, Â§691(a), specifying that such cancellation prevents a provision â€œfrom having legal force or effect,â€ Â§Â§691e(4)(B)â€”(C). Thus, in both legal and practical effect, the presidential actions at issue have amended two Acts of Congress by repealing a portion of each. Statutory repeals must conform with Art. I, INS v. Chadha, 462 U.S. 919, 954, but there is no constitutional authorization for the President to amend or repeal. Under the Presentment Clause, after a bill has passed both Houses, but â€œbefore it become[s] a Law,â€ it must be presented to the President, who â€œshall sign itâ€ if he approves it, but â€œreturn it,â€ i.e., â€œvetoâ€ it, if he does not. There are important differences between such a â€œreturnâ€ and cancellation under the Act: The constitutional return is of the entire bill and takes place before it becomes law, whereas the statutory cancellation occurs after the bill becomes law and affects it only in part. There are powerful reasons for construing the constitutional silence on the profoundly important subject of presidential repeals as equivalent to an express prohibition. The Article I procedures governing statutory enactment were the product of the great debates and compromises that produced the Constitution itself. Familiar historical materials provide abundant support for the conclusion that the power to enact statutes may only â€œbe exercised in accord with a single, finely wrought and exhaustively considered, procedure.â€ Chadha, 462 U.S., at 951. What has emerged in the present cases, however, are not the product of the â€œfinely wroughtâ€ procedure that the Framers designed, but truncated versions of two bills that passed both Houses. Pp. 17â€”24.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed, the court noted that only one method could give the president such authority:</p>
<blockquote><p>c) The profound importance of these cases makes it appropriate to emphasize three points. First, the Court expresses no opinion about the wisdom of the Actâ€™s procedures and does not lightly conclude that the actions of the Congress that passed it, and the President who signed it into law, were unconstitutional. The Court has, however, twice had full argument and briefing on the question and has concluded that its duty is clear. Second, having concluded that the Actâ€™s cancellation provisions violate Article I, Â§7, the Court finds it unnecessary to consider the District Courtâ€™s alternative holding that the Act impermissibly disrupts the balance of powers among the three branches of Government. Third, this decision rests on the narrow ground that the Actâ€™s procedures are not authorized by the Constitution. If this Act were valid, it would authorize the President to create a law whose text was not voted on by either House or presented to the President for signature. That may or may not be desirable, but it is surely not a document that may â€œbecome a lawâ€ pursuant to Article I, Â§7. If there is to be a new procedure in which the President will play a different role, such change must come through the Article V amendment procedures. Pp. 29â€”31.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now good_golly, let us hear you justify your rather infantile explanation of a Conference Report.  Let us see how you get around the Court&#8217;s holding in the Clinton case which clearly rejected the authority of the President to reject spending items even with the express authority of Congress let alone under some implied right to impound funds.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4245828', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/28/gop-pamphlet-argues-that-some-earmarks-are-okay/comment-page-2/#comment-4245827</link>
		<dc:creator>TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iâ€™m back. I may agree with more of what is posted at redstate than here, but I wasnâ€™t all that impressed.

Comment by good_golly â€” January 28, 2008 @ 3:09 pm

Well, it was too much to hope the she would be distracted by all of the shiny objects over there and stay for awhile...

But i&#039;ll bet that she didn&#039;t bother to try to point out any of their errors over there to see how quickly the would ban her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iâ€™m back. I may agree with more of what is posted at redstate than here, but I wasnâ€™t all that impressed.</p>
<p>Comment by good_golly â€” January 28, 2008 @ 3:09 pm</p>
<p>Well, it was too much to hope the she would be distracted by all of the shiny objects over there and stay for awhile&#8230;</p>
<p>But i&#8217;ll bet that she didn&#8217;t bother to try to point out any of their errors over there to see how quickly the would ban her.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4245827', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: shoeless</title>
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		<dc:creator>shoeless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I am ... a mindless â€œyes man/woman.â€

Comment by good_golly â€” January 28, 2008 @ 2:51 pm

Wow. Goon_golly is even confused about its own gender. That must be tough.

Comment by gummitch&lt;/em&gt;

gummitch, 

gg isn&#039;t confused.  Those &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; it&#039;s genders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I am &#8230; a mindless â€œyes man/woman.â€</p>
<p>Comment by good_golly â€” January 28, 2008 @ 2:51 pm</p>
<p>Wow. Goon_golly is even confused about its own gender. That must be tough.</p>
<p>Comment by gummitch</em></p>
<p>gummitch, </p>
<p>gg isn&#8217;t confused.  Those <em>are</em> it&#8217;s genders.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4245800', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Ho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Ho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ooops!  I meant to address gummitch.  %(#** Mondays!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ooops!  I meant to address gummitch.  %(#** Mondays!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4245794', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Ho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Ho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shoeless;  I think it&#039;s called gender dysphoria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shoeless;  I think it&#8217;s called gender dysphoria.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4245787', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: shoeless</title>
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		<dc:creator>shoeless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Iâ€™m back. I may agree with more of what is posted at redstate than here, but I wasnâ€™t all that impressed.

Comment by good_golly&lt;/em&gt;

Why would you be?  The things you typically agree with are not impressive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Iâ€™m back. I may agree with more of what is posted at redstate than here, but I wasnâ€™t all that impressed.</p>
<p>Comment by good_golly</em></p>
<p>Why would you be?  The things you typically agree with are not impressive.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4245782', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: gummitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>gummitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;now, off to find that â€œredstateâ€ site you hate so much. But never fear, Iâ€™ll be back. I prefer to post where I am in the minority, rather than being a mindless â€œyes man/woman.â€

Comment by good_golly â€” January 28, 2008 @ 2:51 pm&lt;/em&gt;

Wow. Goon_golly is even confused about its own gender. That must be tough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>now, off to find that â€œredstateâ€ site you hate so much. But never fear, Iâ€™ll be back. I prefer to post where I am in the minority, rather than being a mindless â€œyes man/woman.â€</p>
<p>Comment by good_golly â€” January 28, 2008 @ 2:51 pm</em></p>
<p>Wow. Goon_golly is even confused about its own gender. That must be tough.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4245779', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€¦.. now, off to find that â€œredstateâ€ site you hate so much. But never fear, Iâ€™ll be back. I prefer to post where I am in the minority, rather than being a mindless â€œyes man/woman.â€

Comment by good_golly â€” January 28, 2008 @ 2:51 pm

Isn&#039;t she cute? On a brighter note... I did get her to go away if only for a little while. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€¦.. now, off to find that â€œredstateâ€ site you hate so much. But never fear, Iâ€™ll be back. I prefer to post where I am in the minority, rather than being a mindless â€œyes man/woman.â€</p>
<p>Comment by good_golly â€” January 28, 2008 @ 2:51 pm</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t she cute? On a brighter note&#8230; I did get her to go away if only for a little while. ;)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4245761', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And they shouldnâ€™t. But I do have a right to express my views.

Comment by VA Voter â€” January 28, 2008 @ 12:30 pm

That&#039;s funny. It&#039;s funny because all of the Nazi trolls that come here with the expectation of &quot;rights&quot; to freely voice their opinion are the same Nazis that hope anybody that wears a &quot;provacative&quot; t-shirt gets banned or the same ones over at &quot;redstate&quot; that censor any one with an opposing view point.

The Nazi right wing loons love free speech as long as they are the only ones that get to use it. And then they cry &quot;Fowl&quot;(sic) when they get treated the way they treat everyone else. 

Hysterical! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And they shouldnâ€™t. But I do have a right to express my views.</p>
<p>Comment by VA Voter â€” January 28, 2008 @ 12:30 pm</p>
<p>That&#8217;s funny. It&#8217;s funny because all of the Nazi trolls that come here with the expectation of &#8220;rights&#8221; to freely voice their opinion are the same Nazis that hope anybody that wears a &#8220;provacative&#8221; t-shirt gets banned or the same ones over at &#8220;redstate&#8221; that censor any one with an opposing view point.</p>
<p>The Nazi right wing loons love free speech as long as they are the only ones that get to use it. And then they cry &#8220;Fowl&#8221;(sic) when they get treated the way they treat everyone else. </p>
<p>Hysterical! ;)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4245713', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: shoeless</title>
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		<dc:creator>shoeless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Go back to civics class 101

Comment by Wayne&lt;/em&gt; 

They won&#039;t let him.  You only get three chances to pass the class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Go back to civics class 101</p>
<p>Comment by Wayne</em> </p>
<p>They won&#8217;t let him.  You only get three chances to pass the class.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4245695', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
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		<description>Itâ€™s a bit more complicated than Civics 101, Wayne, but I think you can follow along if you really try.

Comment by good_golly â€” January 28, 2008 @ 2:30 pm


F_ck  you,  you sanctimonious  twit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Itâ€™s a bit more complicated than Civics 101, Wayne, but I think you can follow along if you really try.</p>
<p>Comment by good_golly â€” January 28, 2008 @ 2:30 pm</p>
<p>F_ck  you,  you sanctimonious  twit<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4245693', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congress can, for example, send $50 mil. to the DOT to build a bridge across the open plains, but the President, in turn, can issue an Executive order to the DOT to not build that bridge and not spend that money. On the other hand, the President cannot order the bridge to be built without funding from the Congress. In this case, it takes two (branches) to tango.

Comment by good_golly â€” January 28, 2008 @ 1:54 pm

Wrong,  if he signed  the bill,   it is law. and  it is his constitutional duty  to follow the law. He  does  not  have   line item  veto  abilities,  it  is either  veto or sign.

Go back   to civics class  101</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress can, for example, send $50 mil. to the DOT to build a bridge across the open plains, but the President, in turn, can issue an Executive order to the DOT to not build that bridge and not spend that money. On the other hand, the President cannot order the bridge to be built without funding from the Congress. In this case, it takes two (branches) to tango.</p>
<p>Comment by good_golly â€” January 28, 2008 @ 1:54 pm</p>
<p>Wrong,  if he signed  the bill,   it is law. and  it is his constitutional duty  to follow the law. He  does  not  have   line item  veto  abilities,  it  is either  veto or sign.</p>
<p>Go back   to civics class  101<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4245672', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: shoeless</title>
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		<dc:creator>shoeless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Congress can, for example, send $50 mil. to the DOT to build a bridge across the open plains, but the President, in turn, can issue an Executive order to the DOT to not build that bridge and not spend that money. 

Comment by good_golly&lt;/em&gt;

Good idea.  Maybe you can call Bush and get him to stop this one.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/node/793&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dennis Hastert&#039;s Real Estate Investments&lt;/a&gt;

House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert has used an Illinois trust to invest in real estate near the proposed route of the Prairie Parkway, a highway project for which he&#039;s secured $207 million in earmarked appropriations. The trust has already transferred 138 acres of land to a real estate development firm that has plans to build a 1,600-home community, located less than six miles from the north-south connector Hastert has championed in the House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Congress can, for example, send $50 mil. to the DOT to build a bridge across the open plains, but the President, in turn, can issue an Executive order to the DOT to not build that bridge and not spend that money. </p>
<p>Comment by good_golly</em></p>
<p>Good idea.  Maybe you can call Bush and get him to stop this one.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/node/793" rel="nofollow">Dennis Hastert&#8217;s Real Estate Investments</a></p>
<p>House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert has used an Illinois trust to invest in real estate near the proposed route of the Prairie Parkway, a highway project for which he&#8217;s secured $207 million in earmarked appropriations. The trust has already transferred 138 acres of land to a real estate development firm that has plans to build a 1,600-home community, located less than six miles from the north-south connector Hastert has championed in the House.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4245653', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: JMOHR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMOHR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Response to 66:  Good_golly, please set forth the specific case law supporting your interpretation on this point.  ______ Oh, there is none.  Another example of changing the constitution by saying:  &quot;Well it sounds like a good idea and nothing in that piece of paper called the constitution says that I cannot.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response to 66:  Good_golly, please set forth the specific case law supporting your interpretation on this point.  ______ Oh, there is none.  Another example of changing the constitution by saying:  &#8220;Well it sounds like a good idea and nothing in that piece of paper called the constitution says that I cannot.&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4245634', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: gummitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>gummitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The point you are both missing is that in our system of â€œchecks and balancesâ€ it takes both (in some cases, all three) branches of government. For example, Congress can fund a war, but it cannot force the President to send troops anywhere. On the other hand, if Congress de-funds a war, there isnâ€™t much the President can do without those funds. With regard to Pork, Congress can choose to send money to a Federal Agency to fund a pork project, but the President can choose to direct the agency to not spend that money and not work on that project.

Comment by goon_golly â€” January 28, 2008 @ 1:49 pm&lt;/em&gt;

The responsibility of the Executive branch is to execute the laws, not decide after the fact that he doesn&#039;t like them. He has the opportunity to veto a bill; he does not have a line item veto, which you&#039;d apparently like to give him. 

You&#039;re badly confused about the Constitution, goon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The point you are both missing is that in our system of â€œchecks and balancesâ€ it takes both (in some cases, all three) branches of government. For example, Congress can fund a war, but it cannot force the President to send troops anywhere. On the other hand, if Congress de-funds a war, there isnâ€™t much the President can do without those funds. With regard to Pork, Congress can choose to send money to a Federal Agency to fund a pork project, but the President can choose to direct the agency to not spend that money and not work on that project.</p>
<p>Comment by goon_golly â€” January 28, 2008 @ 1:49 pm</em></p>
<p>The responsibility of the Executive branch is to execute the laws, not decide after the fact that he doesn&#8217;t like them. He has the opportunity to veto a bill; he does not have a line item veto, which you&#8217;d apparently like to give him. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re badly confused about the Constitution, goon.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4245624', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ralph the wonder llama</title>
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		<dc:creator>ralph the wonder llama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Thinking would save the Bushbots from drinking the Kool-aid.

Comment by shoeless â€” January 28, 2008 @ 1:50 pm&lt;/em&gt;

Yeah, but it would give them &lt;em&gt;awful&lt;/em&gt; headaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Thinking would save the Bushbots from drinking the Kool-aid.</p>
<p>Comment by shoeless â€” January 28, 2008 @ 1:50 pm</em></p>
<p>Yeah, but it would give them <em>awful</em> headaches.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4245590', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: shoeless</title>
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		<dc:creator>shoeless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I can see how this WOULD save the kool-aid drinkers from that pesky chore called thinkingâ€¦

Comment by missmolly&lt;/em&gt;

Thinking would save the Bushbots from drinking the Kool-aid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I can see how this WOULD save the kool-aid drinkers from that pesky chore called thinkingâ€¦</p>
<p>Comment by missmolly</em></p>
<p>Thinking would save the Bushbots from drinking the Kool-aid.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4245585', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: missmolly</title>
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		<dc:creator>missmolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welfare should be gone. Corperate or otherwise.

Comment by VA Voter â€” January 28, 2008 @ 1:14 pm

I see. And which government programs do you define as â€œwelfareâ€?

Comment by missmolly

Whichever ones Bush says are welfare.

Comment by shoeless â€” January 28, 2008 @ 1:41 pm

I can see how this WOULD save the kool-aid drinkers from that pesky chore called thinking...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welfare should be gone. Corperate or otherwise.</p>
<p>Comment by VA Voter â€” January 28, 2008 @ 1:14 pm</p>
<p>I see. And which government programs do you define as â€œwelfareâ€?</p>
<p>Comment by missmolly</p>
<p>Whichever ones Bush says are welfare.</p>
<p>Comment by shoeless â€” January 28, 2008 @ 1:41 pm</p>
<p>I can see how this WOULD save the kool-aid drinkers from that pesky chore called thinking&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4245564', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: shoeless</title>
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		<dc:creator>shoeless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Welfare should be gone. Corperate or otherwise.

Comment by VA Voter â€” January 28, 2008 @ 1:14 pm

I see. And which government programs do you define as â€œwelfareâ€?

Comment by missmolly&lt;/em&gt;

Whichever ones Bush says are welfare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Welfare should be gone. Corperate or otherwise.</p>
<p>Comment by VA Voter â€” January 28, 2008 @ 1:14 pm</p>
<p>I see. And which government programs do you define as â€œwelfareâ€?</p>
<p>Comment by missmolly</em></p>
<p>Whichever ones Bush says are welfare.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4245554', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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