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	<title>Comments on: SOTU: Health Savings Accounts Offer Americans No Meaningful Savings</title>
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		<title>By: crescentdave</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/28/sotu-health-savings-accounts-offer-americans-no-meaningful-savings/comment-page-1/#comment-4247475</link>
		<dc:creator>crescentdave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This country&#039;s health and medical levels have steadily deteriorated.  In terms of industrialized nations, while health costs are the highest, health care quality is among the lowest.  Study after study shows our dismal ranking in terms of infant mortality rates, life expectancy and unnecessary deaths to name just three.  

And we still hear universal health care scorned and reviled.  We still hear the myths about having to wait months and months for simple medical procedures which will be horribly botched by British or Canadian or French or German or Swiss doctors.  Meanwhile, 47 million adults and about 10 million children have no health insurance.  Since 2001, premiums for family coverage have increased 78%, while wages have gone up 19%. In 2007, the annual premium for a family of four was $12,106. Additionally, fewer businesses are
offering health benefits, and employment has shifted to jobs where health benefits are less likely to be offered.

Medical debts are the largest cause of bankruptcy in the US. 68 percent of those who filed for bankruptcy had health insurance. In addition, the study found that 50 percent of all bankruptcy filings were partly the result of medical expenses. Every 30 seconds in the United States someone files for bankruptcy in the aftermath of a serious health problem.  These facts, by the way, come from an insurance company: http://www.kff.org/uninsured/upload/1420_09.pdf

Per person, the US spends MORE money insuring LESS of a percentage of people than ALLother major, western, industrialized nations.  More money per person, less people covered.  

The solution ... as in most of these other countries: universal health care, single payer setup.  Why hasn&#039;t it happened here?  Special interest groups.  Corporate control of the legislative process through lobbying, campaign contributions and porkbarrelling.  

P.S. If you&#039;re going to argue this point, do yourself a favor and come up with facts from respected periodicals.  Do a detailed, factual comparison of other western countries&#039; health systems.  Then write.  Otherwise, you&#039;re just repeating republican, pro-corporate, pro-pharma, pro-insurance talking points.  And we&#039;ve heard enough of those to bring us to this disastrous point.  &quot;Nuff said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This country&#8217;s health and medical levels have steadily deteriorated.  In terms of industrialized nations, while health costs are the highest, health care quality is among the lowest.  Study after study shows our dismal ranking in terms of infant mortality rates, life expectancy and unnecessary deaths to name just three.  </p>
<p>And we still hear universal health care scorned and reviled.  We still hear the myths about having to wait months and months for simple medical procedures which will be horribly botched by British or Canadian or French or German or Swiss doctors.  Meanwhile, 47 million adults and about 10 million children have no health insurance.  Since 2001, premiums for family coverage have increased 78%, while wages have gone up 19%. In 2007, the annual premium for a family of four was $12,106. Additionally, fewer businesses are<br />
offering health benefits, and employment has shifted to jobs where health benefits are less likely to be offered.</p>
<p>Medical debts are the largest cause of bankruptcy in the US. 68 percent of those who filed for bankruptcy had health insurance. In addition, the study found that 50 percent of all bankruptcy filings were partly the result of medical expenses. Every 30 seconds in the United States someone files for bankruptcy in the aftermath of a serious health problem.  These facts, by the way, come from an insurance company: <a href="http://www.kff.org/uninsured/upload/1420_09.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.kff.org/uninsured/upload/1420_09.pdf</a></p>
<p>Per person, the US spends MORE money insuring LESS of a percentage of people than ALLother major, western, industrialized nations.  More money per person, less people covered.  </p>
<p>The solution &#8230; as in most of these other countries: universal health care, single payer setup.  Why hasn&#8217;t it happened here?  Special interest groups.  Corporate control of the legislative process through lobbying, campaign contributions and porkbarrelling.  </p>
<p>P.S. If you&#8217;re going to argue this point, do yourself a favor and come up with facts from respected periodicals.  Do a detailed, factual comparison of other western countries&#8217; health systems.  Then write.  Otherwise, you&#8217;re just repeating republican, pro-corporate, pro-pharma, pro-insurance talking points.  And we&#8217;ve heard enough of those to bring us to this disastrous point.  &#8220;Nuff said.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4247475', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: whatareyousmoking</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/28/sotu-health-savings-accounts-offer-americans-no-meaningful-savings/comment-page-1/#comment-4246775</link>
		<dc:creator>whatareyousmoking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. FACT - HSA May increase uninsured. How can you use the word FACT, followed by maybe, might, could perhaps, or &quot;MAY&quot;....
2. FACT -you have to make money to actually pay taxes! so if you don&#039;t make enough money to pay taxes, how can you receive a tax break?
3. FACT - the Commenwealth Fund and US Magazine - two excellent publications
4. FACT - anytime someone uses the word FACT, you know the statement that follows is false (excluding the comments in this post!
5. Instead is criticizing, how about coming up with some ideas to help the healthcare situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. FACT &#8211; HSA May increase uninsured. How can you use the word FACT, followed by maybe, might, could perhaps, or &#8220;MAY&#8221;&#8230;.<br />
2. FACT -you have to make money to actually pay taxes! so if you don&#8217;t make enough money to pay taxes, how can you receive a tax break?<br />
3. FACT &#8211; the Commenwealth Fund and US Magazine &#8211; two excellent publications<br />
4. FACT &#8211; anytime someone uses the word FACT, you know the statement that follows is false (excluding the comments in this post!<br />
5. Instead is criticizing, how about coming up with some ideas to help the healthcare situation.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4246775', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: 99Luf Balloons</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/28/sotu-health-savings-accounts-offer-americans-no-meaningful-savings/comment-page-1/#comment-4246552</link>
		<dc:creator>99Luf Balloons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whitehouse IS TAKING CALLS NOW.
1-20-456-1111

The 3 words I want the next Prez to say as his/her first words after being sowrn inâ€¦
ARREST THESE MEN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whitehouse IS TAKING CALLS NOW.<br />
1-20-456-1111</p>
<p>The 3 words I want the next Prez to say as his/her first words after being sowrn inâ€¦<br />
ARREST THESE MEN.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4246552', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: 99Luf Balloons</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/28/sotu-health-savings-accounts-offer-americans-no-meaningful-savings/comment-page-1/#comment-4246497</link>
		<dc:creator>99Luf Balloons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 3 words I want the next Prez to say as his/her first words after being sowrn in...
ARREST THESE MEN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 3 words I want the next Prez to say as his/her first words after being sowrn in&#8230;<br />
ARREST THESE MEN.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4246497', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: 99Luf Balloons</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/28/sotu-health-savings-accounts-offer-americans-no-meaningful-savings/comment-page-1/#comment-4246488</link>
		<dc:creator>99Luf Balloons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone PLEASE stand up for this country and SCREAM
YOU FU(KING TRAITOR!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone PLEASE stand up for this country and SCREAM<br />
YOU FU(KING TRAITOR!!!!!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4246488', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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