Matthews To McCain: ‘The President Gave Your Speech Tonight’
Matthews To McCain: ‘The President Gave Your Speech Tonight’
“You know you’re in my heart,” said MSNBC’s Chris Matthews last night as he opened the network’s post-State of the Union coverage with an interview with Sen. John McCain (R-AZ). “The president gave your speech tonight,” remarked Matthews before listing the similarities between Bush and McCain in several policies areas.
“It was your speech, Senator,” exclaimed Matthews:
I have to tell you, the president gave your speech tonight. He talked about we’ve got to cut the number of earmarks in half or I’m going to veto the bill. He talked about the war against terrorism. He talked about reform.
It was — he didn’t talk much about the global economic challenge right now. In fact, he said, basically, we’ll get through this, like you do. It was your speech, Senator.
As Matthews spoke, McCain nodded along in agreement, smiling as he listened to himself being compared to President Bush. “I liked the speech,” said McCain, noting that one of the only differences between the President and him is that he “would have said, let’s take care of those earmarks now.” Watch it:
As Matthews noted, both Bush and McCain take a sunny approach to the economy, preferring to simply say “we’ll get through this.” McCain’s economic agenda is to make permanent the Bush tax cuts, which he voted against in 2001 and 2003.
McCain has offered unrealistic happy talk on the economy, claiming last week that the “fundamental underpinnings of our economy are strong.” His ill-informed economic prognosis should come as no surprise though, considering that he admits that “the issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should.”
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January 29th, 2008 at 11:26 amHow long do you think it took Tweety to extricate his nose from McCain’s ass? What is great about this is that Tweety is tying McCain to Bush. Keep it up moron. It only helps us.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:27 amwhat’s that sucking sound?
January 29th, 2008 at 11:27 amMatthews To McCain: ‘The President Gave Your Speech Tonight’
January 29th, 2008 at 11:30 amTweety , think that being viewed as stupid and full of crap is something to be proud of ……….?
“It was your speech, Senator,†exclaimed Matthews
“now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to plant these lips between your gluteus maximus’!”
January 29th, 2008 at 11:36 amMcCain, the archaic old fool, loves his torturer, W.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:36 amApparently McCain is as stupid as Bush, but without the originality to be able to generate all of Bush’s idiotic ideas all by himself.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:36 amApparently McCain is as stupid as Bush, but without the originality to be able to generate all of Bush’s idiotic ideas all by himself.
Comment by dim wit
I suspect that McCain can come up with a different and more profound kind of stupid.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:40 amI do love the objectivity, Tweety. It must be difficult to speak with your face full of McCain’s privates, though.
I guess we should start calling Matthews “Teabag.”
January 29th, 2008 at 11:41 amOf course the economy is sunny for Mathews and McCain, they are just the kind of millionaires that this economy has been good to.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:49 amI do love the objectivity, Tweety. It must be difficult to speak with your face full of McCain’s privates, though.
I guess we should start calling Matthews “Teabag.â€
Comment by gummitch — January 29, 2008 @ 11:41 am
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:50 amMcLameBrain suffers from ‘Stockholm Syndrome’ via Bush.
One thing John’s captors had in common with Bush is they both torture.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:51 amHow would the Dems fix the economy?
January 29th, 2008 at 11:51 amI barely brought myself to watch the deciderator, but I did. The man looked beaten, whooped. In over his head. He knows his legacy, if he has one, is shot. I almost expected him to say: “Daddy, I don’t want to play preznit no more!”
January 29th, 2008 at 11:51 amgood grief. tweety is such an embarrassing guzzler. how mortifying it must be to be a staffer on that program….
January 29th, 2008 at 11:52 amI do love the objectivity, Tweety. It must be difficult to speak with your face full of McCain’s privates, though.
I guess we should start calling Matthews “Teabag.â€
Comment by gummitch — January 29, 2008 @ 11:41 am
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Comment by toasterhead — January 29, 2008 @ 11:50 am
Since I have nothing to throw up after Bush’s speech last night, just dry heaves here.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:54 amHow would the Dems fix the economy?
Comment by VA Voter — January 29, 2008 @ 11:51 am
January 29th, 2008 at 11:54 amBY removing our troops from Iraq ; which we never should have (illegally) invaded and occupied to begin with………………..
Objectivity? Where did journalism go?
Oh, never mind, Tweeky is just an entertainer, not a newsman.
In that case, I’d like to see him on the wrestling channel…
January 29th, 2008 at 11:55 amVA Voter,
“How would the Dems fix the economy?”
Long term investment in infrastructure and Green Energy is the first place. For every dollar spent on infrastructure spending you spend, you get back six. For every Billion dollars spent on infrastructure, you create 47,000 family wage jobs. That is real long term growth.
Quit borrowing money!!!! If we can’t pay for it, we shouldn’t do it.
Invest heavily in education. Single payer health care actually puts money back in the pockets of most Americans.
An economy based on military spending does not have the return that infrastructure and education have. Once you build a bomb, how do you get a return from that. Roads keep paying back, bridges keep paying back, better faster internet pays back, education pays back.
Its not that tough.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:56 amWar monger McCain refused to answer on many occasions,even in the last debate, how is he going to pay for the wars he is planning to put this country into. He was evasive and injected Al-Qaeda and fear, instead…but he still never answered what countries he is going to have war with and who is going to pay for this huge adventure of McCainism supported by another slick politician called Lieberman.
This man in the White House ,motivated only by a military drive, will bring nothing but wars, death ,destruction and an economical bankrupcy for America and a global depression.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:57 amHe is already telling us what to expect….:”there will be more wars, my dear friends…”.
He is not assuming,or saying may be..he is assured us instead that wars are coming,and we should start thinking about paying for a long term benefits for soldiers coming from wars wounded and injured…
Don’t let his smile fool you…. We have been fooled before
Fool me once…
I’m much less concerned with McCain than Romney.
He appears to be the ‘Corporate Candidate’, and is not in danger of running out of funds.
Romney will lie, cheat or steal to be Prez. Watch how he’ll ramp up the attacks on McCain, finally telling voters McCain is just too old. Watch…
January 29th, 2008 at 11:57 amHow would the Dems fix the economy?
Comment by VA Voter — January 29, 2008 @ 11:51 am
BY removing our troops from Iraq ; which we never should have (illegally) invaded and occupied to begin with………………..
Comment by MCMetal — January 29, 2008 @ 11:54 am
That’s what? About $200 million less per day?
January 29th, 2008 at 11:57 amGood start!
How would the Dems fix the economy?
Comment by VA Voter
got any history books? Look it up. Same way we have always fixed it when the repubs get done.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:58 amHow would the Dems fix the economy?
Comment by VA Voter
Look at everything the republicans have done and do the exact opposite.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:00 pmHow would the Dems fix the economy?
Comment by VA Voter — January 29, 2008 @ 11:51 am
I know you’re new here, but do you have anything worthwhile to say?
You never seem to make any comments which aren’t incredibly vague and the only “support” you ever provide for your comments involve asking rhetorical questions.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:03 pmdim wit, perhaps you don’t know that ‘VA’ means Vulnerable Adult.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:06 pmMr Bungle:
To your excellent list I would also add corporate regulation and oversight. The S & L disaster in the 90s and the sub-prime mess now are both examples of why we need regulation and government oversight.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:07 pmHow would the Dems fix the economy?
Comment by VA Voter — January 29, 2008 @ 11:51 am
A better question is why hasn’t Bushco already fixed the economy?
January 29th, 2008 at 12:09 pmAnd why have we had 2 recessions under Republican rule?
dim wit, perhaps you don’t know that ‘VA’ means Vulnerable Adult.
Comment by Zimzone — January 29, 2008 @ 12:06 pm
January 29th, 2008 at 12:10 pmAnd here I always believed it stood for “Veritable Asswipe”……….
Frosty Cupcake,
AGREED. I could have been way more detailed, but I was trying to keep it short and sweet.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:12 pmIn that case, I’d like to see him on the wrestling channel…
Comment by RUCerious — January 29, 2008 @ 11:55 am
Actually, I think Tweety has already been dropped on his head one too many times. =)
January 29th, 2008 at 12:13 pmMr. Bungle:
:)
True, the list could go on and on, couldn’t it?
January 29th, 2008 at 12:15 pmHow would the Dems fix the economy?
Comment by VA Voter
we refuse to answer your questions under oath and no amount of supeonoes will be enough to drag it out of us. We will go to prison first just like any honest televangelist.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:16 pmhave you seen this yet?
Romney’s ‘put seniors back to work’ economic plan.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:20 pmBy: John Amato @ 9:02 AM – PST
Compassionate conservatism at it’s finest. Romney talking to CNN’s Anderson Cooper about his economic ideas for the future of America.
Super Tuesday
Have you made up your mind on a Presidential Candidate?
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1651
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January 29th, 2008 at 12:20 pmVA Voter,
Two main things make up our economy (or any economy). First you need to bring in more money. Second, you need to spend less money. If you consistently, over a period of time, spend less while bringing in more you will have a surplus of funds (after all your debt is paid, of course). A good way to tank any economy is to spend more while bringing in less. Imagine getting a large pay cut at your job, then deciding to buy a newer, bigger house.
So, how would the dems fix the economy? For starters, look to bring in more money. There are several ways of doing this, but yes, one of them is by raising taxes, You can’t spend hundreds of billions of dollars as we have been for the last 6 years, and just ask future generations to foot the bill. Also, we have borrowed heavily from foreign governments, primarily China. We have to pay that debt back somehow, and yes, that will require taxes. I know that sucks, but you have to think about that when you decide to spend money you don’t have.
Secondly, cut back heavily on spending. Bush mentioned just last night in his SOTU speech about the large amount of federal money being spent on faith-based organizations. I think that would be a good place to start cutting. Also, we spend 15 billion dollars a month in Iraq, 75% of which goes to contractors who are employing third-world nationals and placing their corporate offices offshore to avoid paying US taxes. There is another good place to cut spending. I’m sure those who better know the economy could explain all this further, but I think this would be a good start.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:21 pmSuper Tuesday
Have you made up your mind on a Presidential Candidate?
Comment by PollM — January 29, 2008 @ 12:20 pm
January 29th, 2008 at 12:22 pmYeah…………They all suck.
from the C&L ‘blog roundup’:
Economist’s View: Why does the U.S. economy, beneficiary since 9/11 of the largest military spending binge in history, now require $150 billion more in the form of a short-term stimulus package?
January 29th, 2008 at 12:25 pmTweety was servicing Cheney during the speech. He did McCain at the party afterwards. Manwhore, I pity KO having to work with this closeted buffoon.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:26 pmSuper Tuesday
Have you made up your mind on a Presidential Candidate?
Comment by PollM — January 29, 2008 @ 12:20 pm
Yeah…………They all suck.
Comment by MCMetal — January 29, 2008 @ 12:22 pm
AGREE!
January 29th, 2008 at 12:28 pmTHE most unpopular president ever in the history of this country gave McCain’s speech?? Now what could that spell but trouble for John McCain. How he smiles and erroneously believes that being analogized to Bush who is most unpopular with americans at this point could possibly translate into success is beyond the wildest of logic.
Could it be that Matthews was giving McCain the “kiss of death” by making this comparison?
The ONLY reason people watched this lameduck’s last hurrah is for the same reason why human beings just have to look at an accident or catastrophe!
January 29th, 2008 at 12:32 pmClearly, the torture McCain endured is catching up with him – that, combined with a good dose of senile dementia and you’ve got a veritable jackass smiling in the face of disaster or being compared to disaster.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:33 pmI’m much less concerned with McCain than Romney.
He appears to be the ‘Corporate Candidate’, and is not in danger of running out of funds.
Romney will lie, cheat or steal to be Prez. Watch how he’ll ramp up the attacks on McCain, finally telling voters McCain is just too old. Watch…
Comment by Zimzone — January 29, 2008 @ 11:57 am
Dead on the money, ZZ, no pun intended. Rombot is already circulating a Top 10 list of McCain attacking Republicans. Romney is a desperate guy – I look into his eyes and see the soul of a Shark.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:33 pmMatthews lust for McCains’ man-pie.
Can someone get these two a room somewhere?
-GSD
January 29th, 2008 at 12:33 pmThe Insurgency responds to Bush’s State of the Union address
http://tshirtinsurgency.com/blog
January 29th, 2008 at 12:38 pmHow would the Dems fix the economy?
Comment by VA Voter — January 29, 2008 @ 11:51 am
Probably the way Bill Clinton did when he came into office. He got rid of Reagan’s tax cuts for the rich (which the right derided as the “largest tax increase in history” — even though it had no effect on about 95% of the population), and ordered an economic stimulus package for the middle class. When Bush came into office, he restored Reagan’s tax cuts.
Of course, any incoming president now would have Iraq to deal with, and would have to get out of there in order to have any hope of balancing the budget, keeping the dollar strong, and keeping our economy healthy.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:39 pmAre charges of Bush’s incompetence, dishonesty, unpopularity and irrelevance overdone?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 29, 2008 @ 12:37 pm
##
No.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:40 pmAre charges of Bush’s incompetence, dishonesty, unpopularity and irrelevance overdone?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 29, 2008 @ 12:37 pm
NO
January 29th, 2008 at 12:41 pmAre charges of Bush’s incompetence, dishonesty, unpopularity and irrelevance overdone?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 29, 2008 @ 12:37 pm
Iraq and Afghanistan = both fubar
New Orleans = still a mess
US Economy = in the toilet
I’d have to say “NO”……….Nitwit.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:41 pmJesus H. Christ. Could Tweety be a bigger friggin’ TOOL???
I’m just …embarrassed for him!
January 29th, 2008 at 12:42 pmAre charges of Bush’s incompetence, dishonesty, unpopularity and irrelevance overdone?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 29, 2008 @ 12:37 pm
Some people probably think so — the ones who still support the president. I’m not sure what McCain’s game is here — he may think that if he aligns himself with Bush, he can chip into Romney’s base. But he has to be careful — over two thirds of the country think Bush isn’t doing a good job, and McCain still has a general election to get through if he secures the GOP nomination.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:42 pmDead on the money, ZZ, no pun intended. Rombot is already circulating a Top 10 list of McCain attacking Republicans. Romney is a desperate guy – I look into his eyes and see the soul of a Shark.
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 12:33 pm
They’re both opportunists and either would sell their own mother for a chance to be President. You know damn well that there is a deep-seated antipathy for McCain among conservatives, Keltoi.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:47 pmI’m not sure what McCain’s game is here — he may think that if he aligns himself with Bush, he can chip into Romney’s base. But he has to be careful — over two thirds of the country think Bush isn’t doing a good job, and McCain still has a general election to get through if he secures the GOP nomination.
Comment by missmolly — January 29, 2008 @ 12:42 pm
I think you are correct – he can’t worry about the general til he beats Romney, he has plenty of time to distance himself from Bush during the general. McCain is weird in that even in the general he doesn’t have to run to the center – he lives in the center. What he has to do is get hard core righties to actually come out and vote for him. I think that will only happen if Hillary is the nominee – she inspires the right way more than McCain does.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:49 pmFrankenstein McLame deserves to be president about as much as a prestigious college/university is looking to hire Chimpy to be the head of its English Lit. Department………..
January 29th, 2008 at 12:49 pmI think you are correct – he can’t worry about the general til he beats Romney, he has plenty of time to distance himself from Bush during the general. McCain is weird in that even in the general he doesn’t have to run to the center – he lives in the center. What he has to do is get hard core righties to actually come out and vote for him. I think that will only happen if Hillary is the nominee – she inspires the right way more than McCain does.
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 12:49 pm
Just another example of the ‘brilliance’ exhibited by those that back the GOP……………….
Garden slugs are capable of greater reasoning and rationale.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:51 pmComment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 12:49 pm
McCain is not center, he just isn’t as far right as the neocons or Hitler.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:53 pmHell, even Hillary is right of center.
They’re both opportunists and either would sell their own mother for a chance to be President. You know damn well that there is a deep-seated antipathy for McCain among conservatives, Keltoi.
Comment by gummitch — January 29, 2008 @ 12:47 pm
Oh yes, I know it all too well. The far right likes Rombot – I personally just don’t get it, the far right has been screaming “AQ is coming! AQ is coming!” for years, now they want to give National Security to a guy we did a spiffy job running the Olympics. It makes no sense, it is just that McCain is not a total RNC bootlicker so they’d rather lose than see him win.
As far as selling mothers go, that is true of all the candidates in both parties, ESPECIALLY the Clintons. And have you heard McCains mother? It’d be a tough sell, definitely buyer beware battle axe.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:53 pmGood thing McCain was there via satellite. It would behard for Matthews to ask questions from underneath the desk !
January 29th, 2008 at 12:53 pmMcCain is not center, he just isn’t as far right as the neocons or Hitler.
Hell, even Hillary is right of center.
Comment by Wayne — January 29, 2008 @ 12:53 pm
It all depends on where you yourself are on the ideological spectrum. I have heard Olberman and Kucinich described as moderate independents here – that is an extreme perspective talking.
McCain is a R, so you’d expect him to be right of center. The Clintons are whatever it takes to win in any given race.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:56 pm59 – Keltoi – I think you’re giving ol’ Weathervane McCain far too much credit.
He’s a panderer of the first order, just like the Mittiot – both of them will say whatever they think their audience wants to hear in order to gain power.
The Clintons may be expedient – but McCain and Romney make them look like rank amateurs in that department.
And if you were being honest – you’d acknowedge that FACT.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:00 pmMatthews is such a wh0re. He’s very happy to have someone he can “get behind”.
Keltoi are you annoyed by the “do whatever it takes to win” thing? I couldn’t imagine who would have perfected that.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:01 pm“Are charges of Bush’s incompetence, dishonesty, unpopularity and irrelevance overdone?”
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 29, 2008 @ 12:37 pm
No, as the others have said.
;-)
I think missmolly and Keltoi have nailed it; McCain is going for the votes of the 24 percenters, the ones that still support Bush in droves.
Keltoi:
The only thing I take issue with in your post is the “McCain is in the center” argument. I see him as right of center, and economically, Clinton is right of center, as well, as Wayne points out.
But I guess McCain is the least crazy of the Republicans. Ugh.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:02 pmMcCain is a R, so you’d expect him to be right of center.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:02 pmComment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 12:56 pm
As long as the “R” you posted stands for ‘retard’ ………
The Clintons are whatever it takes to win in any given race.
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 12:56 pm
That I agree with.
Bill was actually more center, but alot of stuff, like the DMCA, deregulating the media, Don’t ask, dont tell, etc he was siding with the right and corporations on. For all the “liberal” labels Bill was given, he wasn’t a liberal.
Hillary, if you look at her Senate voting record, is not liberal.
And both will say anything to get elected.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:03 pmTweety started with the lovefest with John McCain but he dumped him for Rudy the cross dresser. Then along came Grampa Fred to save the day and the Republican party. Tweety dumped everyone for Grampa and his sweet smelling cologne. Tweety had funny comments about McCain losing his money and carrying his bags in the airport. Then as time goes on he makes fun of Rudy the cross dresser but still supporting Grampa Fred. I did notice Tweety never supported Mitt or Rev. Huck. My my has times have changed now with Grampa out and Rudy on his way out now it’s back to I Love McCain for Tweety. Tweety is so confused and up set he’s all over the place. Now we see the McCain lovefest is back maybe because McCain is the last man standing for the Republican party. What will Tweety did if he has to address a Black President or a Woman President. He will have to do the do a great acting job to pass that one off. Tweety is for sure a racist and hates woman. One can only imagine how he married a successful strong career woman, well it shows deep in side he’s jealous of his wife’s success and brains. I guess some smart woman do marry dumb men after all, it’s shows in the Matthew marriage. Good news his wife is raising his children to be smart and strong and not take after their stupid Father.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:04 pmBut I guess McCain is the least crazy of the Republicans. Ugh.
Comment by Frosty Cupcake — January 29, 2008 @ 1:02 pm
Are you kidding ?
McLame knows absolutely nothing about anything ; how in the hell does being a POW for 5 or 6 years make you a foreign policy and national security expert ? And he claims to be both………
Throw in the fact he wants to invade Iran , and you have a Class “A” friggin’ loon………
January 29th, 2008 at 1:05 pmWayne:
Remember the “New Economy” of the Clinton years? Just what corporate America cooked up.
Yup, it’s been one Republican administration (economically) after another since Reagan.
Clinton = Republicrat
January 29th, 2008 at 1:06 pmAnd both will say anything to get elected.
Comment by Wayne — January 29, 2008 @ 1:03 pm
January 29th, 2008 at 1:06 pmHow many politicians do you know/have heard of , that behaves any differently ?
MCMetal:
How is Huckabee less crazy than McCain? Giuliani? Romney? (I’m sorry, but Mormonism is an even crazier belief system than usual.)
January 29th, 2008 at 1:08 pmMCMetal:
How is Huckabee less crazy than McCain? Giuliani? Romney? (I’m sorry, but Mormonism is an even crazier belief system than usual.)
Comment by Frosty Cupcake — January 29, 2008 @ 1:08 pm
I only stated that Frankenstein McLame is no way in hell “less crazy” than the rest of the crappy GOP presidential hopefuls…………
They’re all equally loony and moronic …………….
January 29th, 2008 at 1:11 pmKeltoi. What did McCain’s mother say?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 29, 2008 @ 1:10 pm
That McLame needs to start changing his own Depends…………
January 29th, 2008 at 1:11 pmCaptain:
I don’t know anything abut McCain’s mother, but man does she look good for being at least 90 years old.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:13 pmHow many politicians do you know/have heard of , that behaves any differently ?
Comment by MCMetal — January 29, 2008 @ 1:06 pm
Usually, they are the ones the media tries to discard or marginalize before the first vote is cast.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:13 pmI’d say Huckabee is more crazy only because I think he actually believes what he says.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 29, 2008 @ 1:12 pm
January 29th, 2008 at 1:14 pmSo knowing that you’re lying to garner votes , and being okay with that , is something to be viewed as “normal” ?
Tweety has shown us the worst aspects of our society. Tweety will not admit it, but he sees politics as a game in which form far outweighs substance. His latest book praises the ability to manipulate others and to create a public image that will mislead others into supporting a cause at variance with their goals and desires. It is all about deception and a love of the theatric. Our politics has essentially become nothing but a television reality show.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:14 pmHow many politicians do you know/have heard of , that behaves any differently ?
Comment by MCMetal — January 29, 2008 @ 1:06 pm
Usually, they are the ones the media tries to discard or marginalize before the first vote is cast.
Comment by Wayne — January 29, 2008 @ 1:13 pm
January 29th, 2008 at 1:14 pmLike Dennis Kucinich , you mean ……………
As far as selling mothers go, that is true of all the candidates in both parties, ESPECIALLY the Clintons. And have you heard McCains mother? It’d be a tough sell, definitely buyer beware battle axe.
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 12:53 pm
I would hazard a guess that the Clintons are the most unpleasant manifestation of this that we’ll see in this election. I don’t see either Obama or Edwards as being mom-sellers, although obviously no one without ambition runs for President. It may well be that it just hasn’t been made obvious, of course, but the Clintons, McCain, et al set the bar pretty damn low. Hard to limbo under that one.
Romney Love from the conservatives is funny, given is actual (very short) record as governor. He’s pandering to them like crazy, but he is clearly a “moderate” as modern Republicans go.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:15 pmCaptain:
Yeah, I suppose so. It’s kind of a shame, I liked his comment in the debate about the proposed refund checks. Something along the lines of, “So we’re going to borrow money from China to give to Americans so Americans can go out and buy Chinese imports. Whose economy is this helping exactly?”
So spot on.
Then there’s the WMD easter egg thing and the guy blows it for me. It’s too bad.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:17 pmThen there’s the WMD easter egg thing and the guy blows it for me. It’s too bad.
Comment by Frosty Cupcake — January 29, 2008 @ 1:17 pm
Again , are you kidding ?
How can someone claiming the Constitution should be re-worded to fit into his personal religious beliefs ever be taken seriously on any level ; much less a supposed top-tier candidate for President of the United States of America ?
I wouldn’t even hire Mike Gomer Pyle Huckleberry to run a church bake sale , let alone ever consider him for elected office ; forget the highest office in the land…….
January 29th, 2008 at 1:21 pmI’d say Huckabee is more crazy only because I think he actually believes what he says.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 29, 2008 @ 1:12 pm
His ads in Texas right now are stating he wants to eliminate the IRS altogether. Playing to the libertarian/”Republic of Texas” nuts here lol.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:22 pmCome on! I’m sorry but I think Chuck Norris was right, John McCain is too old to be President. We don’t need a man who will be 72 on election day being the oldest person ever elected. After on termn he’d be 76 and probably not able to run for re-election. Then we’d be right back where we started. As Senator Ted Kennedy said yesterday, “It’s time to pass the torch to a new generation of leaders”, or words to that effect.
America is changing and growing whether we like it or not and we have to change right along with the times. The old guard in Washington must let go and let younger men do the job of leading. It’s like a 72 year old trying to play baseball, football, or hockey, it’s a young man’s game. These old farts need to retire and enjoy whats left of life, not go around making a bunch boring speeches. Besides McCain said “We will have more wars”, yesterday, and we don’t need or can’t afford more war. This guy his lost his ever lovin mind if he thinks people are going to elect an old fool who thinks war is a good think. He got shot down and captured over Viet Nam and while I feel sorry for that, he can’t relive the glory days. They ended when his plane broke into flames and he had to eject.
John McCain is a true hero and I hate to see him out there looking like a slow old shot fighter trying one more come back. Hang up the gloves Johnny, you are our hero, not our savior.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:25 pmSorry to be OT – but just wanted to get this out there. With friends like these, who needs enemies –
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18492376
Army officials in upstate New York instructed representatives from the Department of Veterans Affairs not to help disabled soldiers at Fort Drum Army base with their military disability paperwork last year. That paperwork can be crucial because it helps determine whether soldiers will get annual disability payments and health care after they’re discharged.
Now soldiers at Fort Drum say they feel betrayed by the institutions that are supposed to support them. The soldiers want to know why the Army would want to stop them from getting help with their disability paperwork and why the VA— whose mission is to help veterans — would agree to the Army’s request.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:27 pmJohn McCain is a true hero and I hate to see him out there looking like a slow old shot fighter trying one more come back. Hang up the gloves Johnny, you are our hero, not our savior.
Comment by The Shadow — January 29, 2008 @ 1:25 pm
A “hero” for what ?
Getting captured ?
Speak for yourself , putz ; Frankenstein is not “our” hero , just yours………
January 29th, 2008 at 1:29 pmThe Clintons may be expedient – but McCain and Romney make them look like rank amateurs in that department.
And if you were being honest – you’d acknowedge that FACT.
Comment by Leftside Annie — January 29, 2008 @ 1:00 pm
Sorry, Annie, the Clintons take a back seat to no one in expediency. All politicians do it, and the Clintons are VERY successful poltiicians.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:30 pmJust what we need: ANOTHER senile Republican president.
NOT.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:31 pmYOu missed my point, Keltoi – you refuse to acknowledge that both McCain and Romney pander to their audiences and the religious right on a MASSIVE scale.
You get no respect from me until you acknowledge the FACTS and drop the stupid Clinton-bashing.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:32 pmHow would the Dems fix the economy?
Comment by VA Voter
My dream: empoverishing the rich
January 29th, 2008 at 1:32 pmSorry to be OT – but just wanted to get this out there. With friends like these, who needs enemies -
http://www.npr.org/ templates/ story/ story.php?storyId=18492376
Comment by Chris L — January 29, 2008 @ 1:27 pm
I listened to this in the car this morning and was utterly appalled. It’s pretty clear that, although the official US Army policy says anyone can help the outgoing soldiers with their paperwork, the Army is actually doing all it can to reduce any chance that they’ll get disability coverage. Sickening.
This should be a featured post here, not buried in a thread.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:33 pm“You know you’re in my heart,†said MSNBC’s Chris Matthews last night as he opened the network’s post-State of the Union coverage with an interview with Sen. John McCain (R-AZ).
That pretty much tells you all you need to know about Matthews. He has become a total right wing tool.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:34 pmKeltoi. What did McCain’s mother say?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 29, 2008 @ 1:10 pm
Nothing egregious, she is just 95 years old and set in her ways. She is a tough old bird who has seen a lot. I also find many people born before WWII to be in a bit of a time warp where political correctness goes – she sometimes gets off the reservation, but the worst I ever heard her say was Romney only succeeded in the Salt Lake City Olympics because the Mormon establishment helped him. She may be right for all I know, but that isn’t a very politic thing to say.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:34 pmKeltoi, McCain’s mom had more than that to say.
She says he’s getting no help or love from the party base, even though he’s been a loyal, hardworking, buttkissing (well, she didn’t say that) Republican for years.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:37 pmThe Clintons may be expedient – but McCain and Romney make them look like rank amateurs in that department.
And if you were being honest – you’d acknowedge that FACT.
Comment by Leftside Annie — January 29, 2008 @ 1:00 pm
Sorry, Annie, the Clintons take a back seat to no one in expediency. All politicians do it, and the Clintons are VERY successful poltiicians.
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 1:30 pm
Bill Clinton is a Rhodes Scholar ; you don’t get to be one by being a dim-wit and you don’t need to resort to straddling the fence on every issue …. What the hell does Frankenstein McLame know about anything ?
And Shitt Conme is the biggest phony on the planet ; the putz ran on basically a liberal type platform to get elected as governor of Massachusetts.
Which of his claims during that campaign does he stand behind now ?
The GOP and their imbecilic backers are so pathetic ; they’re willing to simply ignore Conme’s obvious phoniness , so long as he claims to be a Cancervative now and is capable of keeping the presidency under a Republican banner………..
January 29th, 2008 at 1:38 pmHow would the Dems fix the economy?
Comment by VA Voter
VA Voter wants to know how the Democrats would fix the economy. I think the first place they will start is to stop borrowing 12 billion a month from China to occupy Iraq. Then they might rescind the fat cat tax cuts. Both of those would do a lot to restore faith in our economy. Then they can put some of the billions they are saving by not occupying Iraq into rebuilding our countries infrastructure, thereby creating millions of new well paying jobs. They can also fund emerging technologies to get away from the use of fossil fuels, again creating millions of new well paying jobs.
The new Democratic President’s first order of business should be to restore the middle class in this country. As long as the middle class has become the poor class, we will have a weak economy and economic problems in this country.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:39 pmJohn McCain is a true hero and I hate to see him out there looking like a slow old shot fighter trying one more come back. Hang up the gloves Johnny, you are our hero, not our savior.
Comment by The Shadow — January 29, 2008 @ 1:25 pm
I actually agree with all you say, Shadow, but McCain is running and is by far the best the Republicans have to offer. He also looks like he might win the nomination. If it is McCain-Obama I will be happy with either outcome, albeit for totally different reasons.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:41 pmInvest heavily in education. Single payer health care actually puts money back in the pockets of most Americans.
Comment by Mr.Bungle
Single Payer health care will also benefit the US companies by removing a huge burden from them. It will make them much more competitive in the world market. A couple of years ago Toyota found the need to open a new manufacturing plant to build their hybrids. They looked into building it in the US, but ended up in building it in Canada because the cost of providing health care in the US made the plant here a non-starter. If we had a single-payer health care system like Canada does, Toyota would have opened the plant here thereby creating thousands of new jobs.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:42 pmUmmm , I don’t get this………..
Because Hillary’s husband is often quoted/filmed/covered , does the MSM feel a desperate need to ask everyone’s spouse or their parent what’s on their mind out of “fairness” ?
Hey dopes , Bill Clinton is the former President of the US ; who the hell are McLame’s wife , Conme’s wife and 5 chickenhawk sons , and McLame’s ancient mother ?????????????
Who gives a damn what those nobodies have to say about anything ?????????????????????????????
January 29th, 2008 at 1:42 pmI actually agree with all you say, Shadow, but McCain is running and is by far the best the Republicans have to offer.
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 1:41 pm
January 29th, 2008 at 1:44 pmThat’s akin to claiming that dogshit tastes better than horseshit……..
YOu missed my point, Keltoi – you refuse to acknowledge that both McCain and Romney pander to their audiences and the religious right on a MASSIVE scale.
You get no respect from me until you acknowledge the FACTS and drop the stupid Clinton-bashing.
Comment by Leftside Annie — January 29, 2008 @ 1:32 pm
I am not Clinton bashing, I am Clinton observing. They are getting bashed like crazy by the Washington Left, why should I pile on?
And yeah, to win in a Republican primary, you have to kiss a certain amount of Hard Right Christian buttocks, but that is a big part of their constituency. Dems have to pander to their constituencies, too, and do it with enthusiasm. It is politics.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:44 pmKeltoi, McCain’s mom had more than that to say.
Wow, that’s scary. McCain’s mother at 95 looks better than McCain does at 70+.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:45 pmAnd yeah, to win in a Republican primary, you have to kiss a certain amount of Hard Right Christian buttocks, but that is a big part of their constituency. Dems have to pander to their constituencies, too, and do it with enthusiasm. It is politics.
Comment by Keltoi
Keltoi thinks that 25% is a big part of a constituency. He probably also thinks that is a majority and/or a mandate. The Republiscums are making a big mistake by pandering to the 25% and offending the other 75% of the Republicans. Many of that 75% are finding that it will be VERY hard to vote for any of the Republiscum candidates.
The loon also thinks that the Democrats “pander” to their constituencies. I’m not exactly sure what he means by that. Is he saying that the Democratic parties are changing their views to pander to a certain segment of the Democratic party? If so, he should probably give some examples if he wants to be given any credibility.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:49 pmAnd yeah, to win in a Republican primary, you have to kiss a certain amount of Hard Right Christian buttocks, but that is a big part of their constituency. Dems have to pander to their constituencies, too, and do it with enthusiasm. It is politics.
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 1:44 pm
What place does religion have in our government according to our Founding Fathers ?
None………So much for the silly GOP claim that they are looking for “strict Constitutionalists”………
January 29th, 2008 at 1:49 pmShe says he’s getting no help or love from the party base, even though he’s been a loyal, hardworking, buttkissing (well, she didn’t say that) Republican for years.
Comment by gummitch — January 29, 2008 @ 1:37 pm
Hah! Well, she is entitled to her opinion. I am not sure she is wrong on this one, either. I mean, if you look at McCain vs Romney, who has done more for the GOP over the course of their careers? McCain, like his mom, has not always kept his mouth shut when he had something unpopular to say….
January 29th, 2008 at 1:50 pmShe says he’s getting no help or love from the party base, even though he’s been a loyal, hardworking, buttkissing (well, she didn’t say that) Republican for years.
Comment by gummitch — January 29, 2008 @ 1:37 pm
Hah! Well, she is entitled to her opinion. I am not sure she is wrong on this one, either. I mean, if you look at McCain vs Romney, who has done more for the GOP over the course of their careers? McCain, like his mom, has not always kept his mouth shut when he had something unpopular to say….
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 1:50 pm
January 29th, 2008 at 1:52 pmCertainly would be nice if he ever said something that was tangible/relevant/made some sort of sense……………………
My dream: empoverishing the rich
Comment by Juan C. — January 29, 2008 @ 1:32 pm
Juan, would you favor empoverishing the rich even if it meant reducing the standard of living of the poor?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 29, 2008 @ 1:55 pm
How in the hell can the poor have a “standard of living” ?
What’s it called ?
Death ?
January 29th, 2008 at 1:58 pmI think you are correct – he can’t worry about the general til he beats Romney, he has plenty of time to distance himself from Bush during the general. McCain is weird in that even in the general he doesn’t have to run to the center – he lives in the center. What he has to do is get hard core righties to actually come out and vote for him. I think that will only happen if Hillary is the nominee – she inspires the right way more than McCain does.
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 12:49 pm
Loon Keltoi seems to think that it is perfectly fine for a candidate to pander to get votes and then when they are the candidate, change their tune. It seems to me that if McCain is not sincere in the things he is saying now and is planning on saying something different in the general, that makes him a LIAR and a CHEAT. He’s going to have a really hard time living down the statements he has made recently. He has given the opposition enough cannon fodder to lob back at him for the entire general election. If he changes his positions, the Democrats are going to call him a flip-flopper (thanks to the Republiscums for that little gem).
I will have a hard time voting for a candidate who has no firm convictions and simply tells their audience what they want to hear. That’s one of the reasons why I have such a hard time with Senator Clinton. If she is the candidate, I will vote for her. But, I will be holding my nose when I do it. This country could not survive another 4 years of Republiscum rule, especially if that Republiscum is McCain.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:01 pm“Dems have to pander to their constituencies, too, and do it with enthusiasm.”
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 1:44 pm
That’s funny. As a liberal, I don’t feel pandered to at all.
I would love to be as pandered to as the Christian Right has been by the GOP.
*sigh*
January 29th, 2008 at 2:05 pmIs he saying that the Democratic parties are changing their views to pander to a certain segment of the Democratic party? If so, he should probably give some examples if he wants to be given any credibility.
Comment by bilbobaggins — January 29, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
If you are so blinded by your ideology that you think only the party you don’t like panders, Bilbo, it is pointless talking politics with you.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:06 pmThat’s funny. As a liberal, I don’t feel pandered to at all.
I would love to be as pandered to as the Christian Right has been by the GOP.
*sigh*
Comment by Frosty Cupcake — January 29, 2008 @ 2:05 pm
Kucinich did it 24/7. It just didn’t translate into votes.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:07 pmHa! :D
January 29th, 2008 at 2:08 pmJuan, would you favor empoverishing the rich even if it meant reducing the standard of living of the poor?
Comment by CaptainMantastic
Huh??
Let’s make a mental exercise. Imagine a society where the gap between rich and poor is not too big. There are rich people, but not millionaires and you don’t see people begging for food or homeless in the streets. The wealth has been distributed somehow. The middle class is strong and industrial activity has a nice pace.
I think I just described Scandinavian countries, the countries with the best living standards in the world. Duh…
January 29th, 2008 at 2:09 pmThat’s funny. As a liberal, I don’t feel pandered to at all.
I would love to be as pandered to as the Christian Right has been by the GOP.
*sigh*
Comment by Frosty Cupcake — January 29, 2008 @ 2:05 pm
Kucinich did it 24/7. It just didn’t translate into votes.
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
Who and what was Kucinich pandering about and to ?
January 29th, 2008 at 2:09 pmOverall, the typical American, defined as poor by the government, has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, stove, clothes washer and dryer and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR or DVD player and a stereo. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not over-crowded.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — January 29, 2008 @ 2:06 pm
Which “government” ?
The Chimpy administration cronies ?
I’d just as soon call and believe Miss Cleo and/or Jackie Stallone and their cuckoo predictions…………..
January 29th, 2008 at 2:11 pmComment by CaptainMantastic — January 29, 2008 @ 2:06 pm
If you’re going to quote some right-wing website, you should use quotation marks and give credit, rather than presenting it as your own material. As it stands, this is plagiarism.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/BG1713es.cfm
And, even when quoting right-wing websites, it helps to be honest and not edit out the bits you don’t like.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Comment by gummitch — January 29, 2008 @ 2:11 pm
I figured as much from CrapstainManPlastic
What a dishonest turd.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:13 pmKucinich did it 24/7. It just didn’t translate into votes.
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
Most of the time, I’m happy to engage in a dialog with you, Keltoi. This? This is bullsh!t. Kucinich was hardly pandering even though you personally didn’t like what he has to say.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:13 pmIs he saying that the Democratic parties are changing their views to pander to a certain segment of the Democratic party? If so, he should probably give some examples if he wants to be given any credibility.
Comment by bilbobaggins — January 29, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
If you are so blinded by your ideology that you think only the party you don’t like panders, Bilbo, it is pointless talking politics with you.
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 2:06 pm
January 29th, 2008 at 2:18 pmIf you’re truly comfortable with the crappy party you support pandering to a minority of those living in the US who happen to believe and want to see a merging of their religious beliefs with the government (and/or vice versa) , it is pointless for you to try and chastise and critique others……………..
“I liked the speech,†said McCain, noting that one of the only differences between he and the President is that he “would have said, let’s take care of those earmarks now.
Unbelievable! “…Between HE and the president…” Too often lately the writers just do not know their grammar. I expect better from professionals. FYI ‘between’ is a preposition so it is understood that it takes the objective case. Now what were you writing about again?
January 29th, 2008 at 2:19 pm105 – Keltoi – that was the OLD McCain.
The NEW, IMPROVED McCain says one thing – finds out that some Republican pundit/evangelical doesn’t like it – and he IMMEDIATELY reverses himself.
Same with Romney. Would you care for examples…? They are legion.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:24 pmThe wealth has been distributed somehow. The middle class is strong and industrial activity has a nice pace.
I think I just described Scandinavian countries, the countries with the best living standards in the world. Duh…
Comment by Juan C. — January 29, 2008 @ 2:09 pm
Keyword “Somehow”.
And we are not Denmark. What is their population, 5 million, 10 million?
We have cities that exceed the population of many Scandinavian countries, as well as a totally different cultural heiritage and ethnic mix. It is a comparison I often hear, but is the worst case of apples and oranges.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:32 pmKeltoi – one other thing: you accuse Kucinich of pandering. That is incorrect.
Dennis Kucinich has been 100% CONSISTENT in what he stands for.
Both Romney and McCain have done 180’s on every major issue in order to campaign for the Republican nomination for Prez. So has Rudy Ghouliani, but he is irrelevant now.
Name ONE SINGLE ISSUE on which Kucinich – or any other Democrat – has reversed himself in order to “pander” to the base. I’ll give you Edwards and Hillary’s votes on the Iraq war and their current stance against it…but that’s it. There are no others.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:32 pmComment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 2:32 pm
Instead of running off to answer other questions , please list Kucinich’s “pandering(s)”……….If you cannot , admit you pulled a typically imbecilic GOP moronic backer move , and simply made it up.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:38 pmMost of the time, I’m happy to engage in a dialog with you, Keltoi. This? This is bullsh!t. Kucinich was hardly pandering even though you personally didn’t like what he has to say.
Comment by gummitch — January 29, 2008 @ 2:13 pm
Back at you Gummitch, you throw plenty of elbows but never insults. You are a civil opponent.
As to your point, what is calling for impeachment if not pandering to the far left. It is clear as an azure sky that the Dem majority is not going to impeach – yet Kucinich would constantly act like it was a viable policy positon. Ditto instant withdraw from Iraq.
People like Kucinich and Huckabee are either flaming extremists who are pandering to the extreme or they are true believers who don’t realize how extreme they sound. I think Huck is pandering, even though he really – amazingly – believes the Earth is 6,000 years old.
If the word pander is unfair to DK, then I retract it.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:39 pmAs to your point, what is calling for impeachment if not pandering to the far left. It is clear as an azure sky that the Dem majority is not going to impeach – yet Kucinich would constantly act like it was a viable policy positon. Ditto instant withdraw from Iraq.
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 2:39 pm
Hey clueless wonder
Ever stop to consider that someone who maintains a specific position , no matter its viability , is what they actually or truly believe ?
And how is that pandering , then ?
BTW
A major reason for our imbecilic president not being impeached or our troops being rightfully removed from Iraq and brought home , is because of the lock-step nature of the idiots in the party you support ; as well as the spineless nature of the so-called “leaders” in the Dem party….
How come a life-long failure’s insistence and habitual lies are claimed to be a sign of his “steadfast beliefs and leadership” ; yet , because Kucinich is adamantly opposed to things you don’t necessarily agree with , you want to try and brand him with an undeserved and fictional label.
You’re pathetic……….
January 29th, 2008 at 2:48 pmAs to your point, what is calling for impeachment if not pandering to the far left. It is clear as an azure sky that the Dem majority is not going to impeach – yet Kucinich would constantly act like it was a viable policy positon. Ditto instant withdraw from Iraq.
People like Kucinich and Huckabee are either flaming extremists who are pandering to the extreme or they are true believers who don’t realize how extreme they sound. I think Huck is pandering, even though he really – amazingly – believes the Earth is 6,000 years old.
If the word pander is unfair to DK, then I retract it.
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 2:39 pm
I do not think it’s “pandering” because I am convinced Kucinich is completely sincere (whether you think he’s an extremist or not is irrelevant). And, really, if he was pandering he could find a considerably more popular position to hold, one that would have gotten him a lot more votes.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:51 pmPeople like Kucinich and Huckabee are either flaming extremists who are pandering to the extreme or they are true believers who don’t realize how extreme they sound. I think Huck is pandering, even though he really – amazingly – believes the Earth is 6,000 years old.
If the word pander is unfair to DK, then I retract it.
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 2:39 pm
Who is more correct in their assessment(s) and position(s) ?
Kucinich or our imbecilic president ?
January 29th, 2008 at 2:54 pmCalling for impeachment is “pandering to the far left”?????
I beg to differ. Every American who believes in the Constitution and the rule of law should be calling for impeachment!!!!
The fact that there is not rioting in the streets demanding the immediate prosecution of this vile and criminal administration is proof how low we have fallen and how utterly ignorant and complacent we Americans have become.
Shame on us.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:55 pmPeople like Kucinich and Huckabee are either flaming extremists who are pandering to the extreme or they are true believers who don’t realize how extreme they sound. I think Huck is pandering, even though he really – amazingly – believes the Earth is 6,000 years old.
If the word pander is unfair to DK, then I retract it.
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 2:39 pm
It’s an “extreme” position to want the most dishonest and criminal president and vice president in US history removed , along with calling for our troops to be returned home from an illegal and idiotic invasion and subsequent occupation ?
Are you a mental patient ?
January 29th, 2008 at 2:57 pmCalling for impeachment is “pandering to the far left�????
I beg to differ. Every American who believes in the Constitution and the rule of law should be calling for impeachment!!!!
The fact that there is not rioting in the streets demanding the immediate prosecution of this vile and criminal administration is proof how low we have fallen and how utterly ignorant and complacent we Americans have become.
Shame on us.
Comment by Leftside Annie — January 29, 2008 @ 2:55 pm
Well, that is why you chose “Leftside” as your descriptor.
January 29th, 2008 at 3:01 pmAnd BTW, my original comment was in response to Frosty Cupcake saying as a liberal he WISHED someone would pander to him. That is how DK got brought up vis-a-vis pandering. It was a bit of flippancy, I am sorry I said anything bad about the Demi-God of the Left here at TP.
Pandering comment retracted. I agree with Gummitch, he is a true believer. My point was, the liberals did indeed have someone carrying their torch for them, it just never garnered more that 4% in the polls.
January 29th, 2008 at 3:07 pmIt’s an “extreme†position to want the most dishonest and criminal president and vice president in US history removed , along with calling for our troops to be returned home from an illegal and idiotic invasion and subsequent occupation ?
Are you a mental patient ?
Comment by MCMetal — January 29, 2008 @ 2:57 pm
To this entire comment I can only reply with the classic Funk line, “A Fish Doesn’t Know It’s Wet”.
PS, if you’d like to debate, drop the personal invective. Otherwise, go swim in RHF’s cessspool.
January 29th, 2008 at 3:09 pmPS, if you’d like to debate, drop the personal invective. Otherwise, go swim in RHF’s cessspool.
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
I don’t do “debates” against brainless , arrogant , condescending GOP suckholes like yourself , skid mark.
Your idiotic and laughably stupid claim of Kucinich being an “extremist” indicates a dire need for mental health care.
You’re a pathetic and useless GOP tool and clown….Get lost , you turd; you don’t have brains that the common household pet possesses.
January 29th, 2008 at 3:14 pm“And BTW, my original comment was in response to Frosty Cupcake saying as a liberal he WISHED someone would pander to him. That is how DK got brought up vis-a-vis pandering. It was a bit of flippancy”
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 3:07 pm
I am constantly amazed that anyone can think the name “Frosty Cupcake” represents a dude. ;-)
And I knew you were being flip, hence my response directly below yours with the “Ha!”
No worries.
January 29th, 2008 at 3:19 pmBTW “KettleBoy”
Anyone moronic enough to make this type of statement :”It was a bit of flippancy, I am sorry I said anything bad about the Demi-God of the Left here at TP” , should seriously consider shutting the hell up , permanently.
The complete disingenuousness of that remark is almost beyond belief.
No one here ever claimed Kucinich to be infallible ; let alone a “Demi-God”.
January 29th, 2008 at 3:25 pmYour insistence on making shit up as you go along , immediately after making a dishonest and asinine statement to try and cover up for your original false assessment/statement , isn’t likely to fool anyone.
You are as dishonest as you are stupid……………………..
I am constantly amazed that anyone can think the name “Frosty Cupcake†represents a dude. ;-)
And I knew you were being flip, hence my response directly below yours with the “Ha!â€
No worries.
Comment by Frosty Cupcake — January 29, 2008 @ 3:19 pm
Whoops! Sorry bout the pro-noun confusion.
And I knew you got it; nothing ill can be said of DK, though, even in jest.
January 29th, 2008 at 3:27 pmWasn’t Frosty the Snowman a guy? Kind of? And there was some old rocker who played with Lee Michaels who was “Frosty”.
January 29th, 2008 at 3:27 pmI don’t do “debates†against brainless , arrogant , condescending GOP suckholes like yourself , skidmarkblahblahblahblahblahblahyipeyipeyipeyipeyipeyipesnarlsnarlsnarl Igotbeatupinhighschool.
Comment by MCMetal — January 29, 2008 @ 3:14 pm
Right. Back to ignoring you.
January 29th, 2008 at 3:31 pm*laughs*
“Wasn’t Frosty the Snowman a guy? Kind of?”
I only saw one carrot on that snowman and it was on his nose! So, maybe a eunuch snow-man. Snow-it?
January 29th, 2008 at 3:32 pmAnd I knew you got it; nothing ill can be said of DK, though, even in jest.
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 3:27 pm
Typical GOP rim licking twit ; doesn’t realize they know absolutely nothing about “jesting” or what’s funny.
Know what makes something funny , KettleBoy ?
When it’s something that is rooted in FACT ; your moronic statements are as far removed from that as public speaking ability is to Chimpy………..
BTW Twerp
Least no one here is claiming you’re “anti-American” and/or a “terrorist sympathizer” because of your dopey comments on Kucinich………..
January 29th, 2008 at 3:33 pmBack to ignoring you.
Comment by Keltoi — January 29, 2008 @ 3:31 pm
WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Some liberal is being mean to me ………..
LOL
What a loser.
January 29th, 2008 at 3:35 pmWhat an unpleasant end to the thread.
January 29th, 2008 at 4:18 pmWe have cities that exceed the population of many Scandinavian countries, as well as a totally different cultural heiritage and ethnic mix. It is a comparison I often hear, but is the worst case of apples and oranges.
Comment by Keltoi
Oh, the old population density argument. Debunked hundreds of years ago. Easy one.
Explain how Monaco is the most density populated country in the world and everybody drives Mercedes Benz. Huh? Did I miss something?
Let me go further: Belgium, France, Switzerland and Germany. Almost all Europe is densely populated, meanwhile South American countries are listed at the bottom of the list and are some of the poorest countries and curiously enough the ones whose gap between rich and poor are widest. What happened?
Keltoi, I think you are nice guy, but you got your arguments in Reader’s Digest.
January 29th, 2008 at 4:27 pmKeltoi, I think you are nice guy, but you got your arguments in Reader’s Digest.
Comment by Juan C. — January 29, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
January 29th, 2008 at 4:30 pm“Nice guys” do not lie …………….
Keltoi, I’ve never been ashamed of my liberal leanings.
However, those liberal leanings DO NOT invalidate what I say. I said that EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN whol believes in the Constitution and the rule of law – I did not qualify that with a “left-leaning” descriptor, because I don’t believe for one second that impeaching the criminals in the White House has a single thing to do with being either left-leaning or right-leaning.
It has to do with BEING A FRIGGIN’ AMERICAN.
So tell me, Keltoi – John Negroponte admitted today that we have used waterboarding on prisoners…is that not “torture”…? Is that not a war-crime? Did we not hang a Japanese soldier for waterboarding American soldiers…?
Tell me how that is “pandering to the far left”, please.
January 29th, 2008 at 4:31 pmKeltoi, I think you are nice guy, but you got your arguments in Reader’s Digest.
Comment by Juan C. — January 29, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
I never said anything about population DENSITY, it was purely based on POPULATION size. There are 300 million of us. Almost half of us already pay no income taxes at all and still receive many government services.
You also completely ignore the point of ethnic homogenity. It matters. The Danes are starting to realize this based on the problems they are starting to have with their Muslim immigrants.
Also, if Denmark vanished tomorrow, what would be the effect on global security? Little. If by contrast the US were to disappear, what do you think China and Russia would do? I know the US Military is a mixed bag historically, but they have been important in checking Russia and China, and before that the Axis.
The comparison is invalid in my mind. I admire the Scandivavian Model, I just don’t think it translates to the US.
January 29th, 2008 at 4:50 pmSo tell me, Keltoi – John Negroponte admitted today that we have used waterboarding on prisoners…is that not “tortureâ€â€¦? Is that not a war-crime? Did we not hang a Japanese soldier for waterboarding American soldiers…?
Tell me how that is “pandering to the far leftâ€, please.
Comment by Leftside Annie — January 29, 2008 @ 4:31 pm
Me, I think it is torture. I didn’t always til listening to the arguments here. But the legal status of water boarding is nebulous – not its moral status, its legal status. Immorality is not a warcrime. In a sense, all war is immoral by its very nature.
I don’t want to get too far into the weeds here, I am leaving work soon and for some reason can’t log on at home anymore, so I don’t want to be accused of running away. We have acknowledged waterboarding 2 AQ leaders, and in the course of doing so saved perhaps thousands of American lives. Perhaps yours, mine, our families.
I cannot adn will not pick the scab off the waterboarding debate with you here, especially since I largely agree with you. But I do think you should acknowledge that given the narrowness of the scope of its use, who it was used on and what the results were, the morality of the issue is not 100% black and white. Maybe it is to you, but you shouldn’t condemn those who see shades of grey here, IMHO.
BTW, I retracted the DK pandering comment many posts ago.
January 29th, 2008 at 4:58 pmPoor deluded Keltoi – TORTURE DOES NOT WORK. It has never work. It never will work. The facts are on my side here.
That whole line about “saving thousands of American lives” is sad, deluded kool-aid induced bullshit.
Even if it was true, I do NOT want my life saved by torturing another human being, Keltoi. I am not that big a coward.
You may be – but I am NOT. Period.
January 29th, 2008 at 5:03 pmI never said anything about population DENSITY, it was purely based on POPULATION size. There are 300 million of us. Almost half of us already pay no income taxes at all and still receive many government services.
Comment by Keltoi
Oh, I know. That’s why I went FURTHER and put MORE PEOPLE IN LESS SPACE, because the problem is not the number of people, the number is not the number of people/ unit of surface. The problem is distribution of wealth. PERIOD.
You also completely ignore the point of ethnic homogenity. It matters.
Ethnic homogenity is just part of a secondary analysis. It all comes to economy. First, why are people migrating from their places to the more developed countries? Because it is impossible in those countries to have a decent meal, BECAUSE THE GAP BETWEEN RICH AND POOR IS ENORMOUS. The gap between rich and poor countries is also widening, it is not a local phenomena. If everybody had the necessary income to stay at home, there would be no forced migration and therefore no ethnic conflicts.
So, the comparison is invalid in your mind and I have to imagine that the US just disappears over the night? Let’s pretend it does, Russia and China will probably do what the US has been doing since WWII, like Britain before, like Spain before, like Rome before, etc. etc. etc.
January 29th, 2008 at 5:08 pmI meant to say: the problem is not the number of people / unit of surface.
January 29th, 2008 at 5:13 pm>>Poor deluded Keltoi – TORTURE DOES NOT WORK. It has never work. It never will work. The facts are on my side here.
That whole line about “saving thousands of American lives†is sad, deluded kool-aid induced bullshit.
Does Negroponte agree with you?
Even if it was true, I do NOT want my life saved by torturing another human being, Keltoi. I am not that big a coward.
You may be – but I am NOT. Period.
Comment by Leftside Annie — January 29, 2008 @ 5:03 pm
You can see why I don’t want to get into this – again. I told you I agreed with you, you ignore it suggest any who don’t agree with you are cowards. Oh well.
January 29th, 2008 at 5:25 pmBut the thread is not over until lots of bunnies, butterflies, and birds play joyfully in the meadow. And trolls re-gain bladder control.
January 29th, 2008 at 5:30 pmChris Matthews – ” The president gave your speech last night John , and the actor I saw in the porn movie, had your money shot , john , I mean it had john McCain written all over her face “
January 29th, 2008 at 9:18 pm