Comments on: Tonight’s CNN debate brought to you by the coal industry. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:55:26 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: stormy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/comment-page-2/#comment-4248886 stormy Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:34:42 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/#comment-4248886 "We have a nuclear plant called Waterford 3, twenty five miles west of where I live. And it is one of the safest in the country. If it weren’t for greenpeace and other extremist, we would have more of these plants around the country that deliver cleaner and affordable energy. But common sense is not to be practiced anymore." Comment by Southern Man — January 30, 2008 As a resident of Las Vegas, then keep th waste 25 miles west of you! NOT 30 miles North of us! “We have a nuclear plant called Waterford 3, twenty five miles west of where I live. And it is one of the safest in the country. If it weren’t for greenpeace and other extremist, we would have more of these plants around the country that deliver cleaner and affordable energy. But common sense is not to be practiced anymore.”

Comment by Southern Man — January 30, 2008

As a resident of Las Vegas, then keep th waste 25 miles west of you! NOT 30 miles North of us!

]]> By: davidABEC http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/comment-page-2/#comment-4248844 davidABEC Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:55:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/#comment-4248844 to Katy: Don't jump to any conclusions about the fate of FutureGen. It's been zeroed out in the budget in prior years only to be revived by Congress. It is up to Congress yet again. The technology is here... the struggle is finding the money to pay for it. to Katy: Don’t jump to any conclusions about the fate of FutureGen. It’s been zeroed out in the budget in prior years only to be revived by Congress. It is up to Congress yet again. The technology is here… the struggle is finding the money to pay for it.

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/comment-page-2/#comment-4248841 katy Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:53:41 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/#comment-4248841 and completely lacking of "common sense"... and completely lacking of “common sense”…

]]> By: LividLib http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/comment-page-2/#comment-4248748 LividLib Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:59:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/#comment-4248748 some could argue that high-level radioactive waste, which will remain so for thousands of years, ain't exactly "clean". some could argue that high-level radioactive waste, which will remain so for thousands of years, ain’t exactly “clean”.

]]> By: LividLib http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/comment-page-2/#comment-4248659 LividLib Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:58:13 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/#comment-4248659 captain, david, southern m - would you want a moutain minus its' top in your backyard? hows about a sludge damn? not exactly clean, is it? no one is suggesting we suddenly end our reliance on coal and oil. what is disconcerting is how much they are being promoted in this day and age and what little effort there is to promote the available renewable and clean alternatives. Instead of sponsoring an empty debate, wouldn’t it be nice if ABEC instead sponsored some research into developing alternative energy sources? On a personal level, I have mixed feelings about nuclear energy. an option, but I’m really struggling with that “half-life” issue. captain, david, southern m – would you want a moutain minus its’ top in your backyard? hows about a sludge damn? not exactly clean, is it?

no one is suggesting we suddenly end our reliance on coal and oil. what is disconcerting is how much they are being promoted in this day and age and what little effort there is to promote the available renewable and clean alternatives. Instead of sponsoring an empty debate, wouldn’t it be nice if ABEC instead sponsored some research into developing alternative energy sources?

On a personal level, I have mixed feelings about nuclear energy. an option, but I’m really struggling with that “half-life” issue.

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/comment-page-2/#comment-4248559 katy Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:59:47 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/#comment-4248559 <em>The coal industry is working with Department of Energy on a project to build a coal plant that captures close to 100% of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide and mercury – and provide for the capture and storage of carbon dioxide. Comment by davidABEC — January 30, 2008 @ 2:45 pm</em> yea, davidABEC... and what happened to that? i'm in effingham, 30 miles south of mattoon, where FutureGen was SUPPOSED to be located, until they pulled the rug out from under, the day AFTER dubya touted the need for using "clean" coal... http://uk.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUKN2962235220080129 The coal industry is working with Department of Energy on a project to build a coal plant that captures close to 100% of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide and mercury – and provide for the capture and storage of carbon dioxide.
Comment by davidABEC — January 30, 2008 @ 2:45 pm

yea, davidABEC… and what happened to that?
i’m in effingham, 30 miles south of mattoon, where FutureGen was
SUPPOSED to be located, until they pulled the rug out from under, the day AFTER dubya touted the need for using “clean” coal…
http://uk.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUKN2962235220080129

]]> By: davidABEC http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/comment-page-2/#comment-4248526 davidABEC Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:45:42 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/#comment-4248526 Clean is obviously a relative term. What might be “clean” for most people might not be “clean enough” for you. We’re continuing to make progress on using technology to reduce emissions and make coal a cleaner energy resource to meet America’s energy need. The coal industry is working with Department of Energy on a project to build a coal plant that captures close to <strong>100%</strong> of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide and mercury – and provide for the capture and storage of carbon dioxide. Clean is obviously a relative term. What might be “clean” for most people might not be “clean enough” for you. We’re continuing to make progress on using technology to reduce emissions and make coal a cleaner energy resource to meet America’s energy need. The coal industry is working with Department of Energy on a project to build a coal plant that captures close to 100% of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide and mercury – and provide for the capture and storage of carbon dioxide.

]]> By: Poop on Republicans http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/comment-page-2/#comment-4248514 Poop on Republicans Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:41:09 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/#comment-4248514 This is a stupid thing to call a republican or democrat issue. That doesn't resolve anything. Besides, what is a Republican issue today may be a Democrat issue tomorrow, or vice versa. This is a stupid thing to call a republican or democrat issue. That doesn’t resolve anything. Besides, what is a Republican issue today may be a Democrat issue tomorrow, or vice versa.

]]> By: Poop on Republicans http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/comment-page-2/#comment-4248508 Poop on Republicans Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:39:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/#comment-4248508 Exactly, this current crop of democrats aren't doing enough. Some are doing some though: From The Dallas Morning News: "Jan. 27--Barack Obama says nuclear power should be explored as an energy option. Hillary Rodham Clinton says she's "agnostic" on whether more nuclear plants should be built." ""We should explore nuclear power as part of the energy mix," he said during last summer's CNN-YouTube debate. Nuclear plants can cut greenhouse gas emissions, [Obama] says." Exactly, this current crop of democrats aren’t doing enough. Some are doing some though:

From The Dallas Morning News:

“Jan. 27–Barack Obama says nuclear power should be explored as an energy option. Hillary Rodham Clinton says she’s “agnostic” on whether more nuclear plants should be built.”

“”We should explore nuclear power as part of the energy mix,” he said during last summer’s CNN-YouTube debate. Nuclear plants can cut greenhouse gas emissions, [Obama] says.”

]]> By: Poop on Republicans http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/comment-page-2/#comment-4248472 Poop on Republicans Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:26:19 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/#comment-4248472 That's all well and good that coal plants are cleaner than they used to be, but why not just build plants that don't have any of those emissions?? That’s all well and good that coal plants are cleaner than they used to be, but why not just build plants that don’t have any of those emissions??

]]> By: LividLib http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/comment-page-2/#comment-4248463 LividLib Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:20:21 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/#comment-4248463 Everybody likes to continue to repeat the myth that America is the biggest polluter in the world. That is not true — China passed us and left us dead in the tracks, and India is right behind them. Comment by davidABEC — January 30, 2008 @ 1:57 pm on a per capita basis, the U.S. leaves China and India dead in their tracks! we're in a different league. Everybody likes to continue to repeat the myth that America is the biggest polluter in the world. That is not true — China passed us and left us dead in the tracks, and India is right behind them.

Comment by davidABEC — January 30, 2008 @ 1:57 pm

on a per capita basis, the U.S. leaves China and India dead in their tracks!
we’re in a different league.

]]> By: LividLib http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/comment-page-2/#comment-4248430 LividLib Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:00:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/#comment-4248430 Gin, you're all wet! i prefer my martinis dry. Gin,

you’re all wet!
i prefer my martinis dry.

]]> By: davidABEC http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/comment-page-2/#comment-4248420 davidABEC Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:57:09 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/#comment-4248420 Let’s be as clear as possible — not only do we want the candidates to address questions regarding energy, environment and the economy, we can’t think of single more important question in the 2008 presidential debates! Everybody likes to continue to repeat the myth that America is the biggest polluter in the world. That is not true — China passed us and left us dead in the tracks, and India is right behind them. The existing fleet of power plants today is 70 percent cleaner than it was in 1970. A new power plant that is built today will be somewhere between 70 to 80 percent cleaner than an existing plant. Power plants built in the 1970s or 1980s have been retrofitted over time with new technology to make them cleaner. Compared to power plants in that time, facilities today are unrecognizable. A new power plant built today removes about 98 percent of sulfur dioxide emissions, more than 95 percent of nitrogen oxides and 90 percent of mercury emissions. The key challenge is carbon dioxide, and we are moving to the point for technology to help capture 100 percent of those emissions. http://www.americaspower.org/ Let’s be as clear as possible — not only do we want the candidates to address questions regarding energy, environment and the economy, we can’t think of single more important question in the 2008 presidential debates!

Everybody likes to continue to repeat the myth that America is the biggest polluter in the world. That is not true — China passed us and left us dead in the tracks, and India is right behind them.

The existing fleet of power plants today is 70 percent cleaner than it was in 1970. A new power plant that is built today will be somewhere between 70 to 80 percent cleaner than an existing plant.

Power plants built in the 1970s or 1980s have been retrofitted over time with new technology to make them cleaner. Compared to power plants in that time, facilities today are unrecognizable.

A new power plant built today removes about 98 percent of sulfur dioxide emissions, more than 95 percent of nitrogen oxides and 90 percent of mercury emissions.

The key challenge is carbon dioxide, and we are moving to the point for technology to help capture 100 percent of those emissions.

http://www.americaspower.org/

]]> By: Poop on Republicans http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/comment-page-2/#comment-4248414 Poop on Republicans Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:53:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/#comment-4248414 Wow, why do ignorant people believe that nuclear power is the 'conservative' choice for electric generation?? This is an unfortunate misconception. Wow, why do ignorant people believe that nuclear power is the ‘conservative’ choice for electric generation?? This is an unfortunate misconception.

]]> By: toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-4248411 toasterhead Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:50:29 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/#comment-4248411 <i>Clean Coal is one of our last choices since the far left refused to allow us to use nuclear or our very own Oil. Comment by Roger_Roger — January 30, 2008 @ 11:11 am</i> Clean Coal is just another fictional creation of the right, just like Islamofascists, the free market, and Santa Claus. Clean Coal is one of our last choices since the far left refused to allow us to use nuclear or our very own Oil.

Comment by Roger_Roger — January 30, 2008 @ 11:11 am

Clean Coal is just another fictional creation of the right, just like Islamofascists, the free market, and Santa Claus.

]]> By: Buckie Boy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-4248399 Buckie Boy Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:42:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/#comment-4248399 Is that a lump of coal or a turd in that picture? They both foul the air. Buck Fush Is that a lump of coal or a turd in that picture?

They both foul the air.

Buck Fush

]]> By: Parrotlover77 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-4248347 Parrotlover77 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:59:05 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/#comment-4248347 Those "clean coal" ads need to be yanked off the air. It's an absolute lie to call coal burning clean. Conservative alternative: Nu-cu-lar! (Because apparently they aren't happy unless there's some toxic by-product.) Liberal alternative: Wind, solar, biomass, water, tides, geothermal, and so on and so on... Take your pick. Those “clean coal” ads need to be yanked off the air. It’s an absolute lie to call coal burning clean.

Conservative alternative: Nu-cu-lar! (Because apparently they aren’t happy unless there’s some toxic by-product.)

Liberal alternative: Wind, solar, biomass, water, tides, geothermal, and so on and so on… Take your pick.

]]> By: VA Voter http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-4248291 VA Voter Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:22:05 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/#comment-4248291 Screw coal, lets go nuclear. Coal is old and outdated. Progress. Comment by Poop on Republicans — January 30, 2008 @ 12:06 pm Agreed on the nuclear. Screw coal, lets go nuclear. Coal is old and outdated. Progress.

Comment by Poop on Republicans — January 30, 2008 @ 12:06 pm

Agreed on the nuclear.

]]> By: Buckie Boy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-4248285 Buckie Boy Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:16:33 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/#comment-4248285 CNN = corporate whores. NewBushSpeak Coal Polution = Clean air and water. Mercury = Good for you. MSM = You don't get to pick the candidate, they do. Buck Fush CNN = corporate whores.

NewBushSpeak Coal Polution = Clean air and water.

Mercury = Good for you.

MSM = You don’t get to pick the candidate, they do.

Buck Fush

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-4248275 The Republic of Stupidity Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:09:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/tonights-cnn-debate-brought-to-you-by-the-coal-industry/#comment-4248275 What was that expression? “Poop and scoot”? Comment by gummitch — January 30, 2008 @ 11:32 am I think it's "poo 'n shoo"... What was that expression? “Poop and scoot”?

Comment by gummitch — January 30, 2008 @ 11:32 am

I think it’s “poo ‘n shoo”…

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