McCain: ‘By golly’ we’re ‘winning’ in Iraq.
By on Feb 1st, 2008 at 12:19 pm
McCain: ‘By golly’ we’re ‘winning’ in Iraq.
After crossing the picket line to appear on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno last night, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) took a moment to repeatedly declare that the U.S. is “winning” in Iraq:
We’re not gonna let them get defeated. We’re not gonna have them surrender. And they’re gonna win. And by golly, they are winning, my friends. They are winning. They are winning.
Hours later, two female suicide bombers in Baghdad set off explosions that killed at least 64 people, “the most lethal blasts since August 1.”
By Golly, you’re wrong, wrong, wrong.
Now cue golly garsh gushing over McCain using his name…
February 1st, 2008 at 12:22 pmI can’t watch the Tonight Show when people I don’t despise are the guests.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:23 pmI’m sure Leno was obsequiousness itself and the APPLAUSE sign was working overtime for McCain’s delusional spew.
this is going to be too easy.
just let mccain talk and talk and talk
the more he talks, the more he discredits not only himself….but the whole GOP
the democrats should send FLip FLop say anything McCain a big “THANKYOU”
February 1st, 2008 at 12:23 pmDid anyone else find Guilliani and McCain hugging Jay Leno hilarious? He’s talking about killing people on a large scale and then he and his side-kick hug Leno. Also, his mention of the Manchurian Candidate was so frigging scary.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:27 pmDid McCain happen to mention what “winning” means? I have yet to hear anybody on the right explain what victory is going to look like, but I hear an awful lot about “winning”, “our enemies”, “emboldening our enemies”, and other soundbite terms that really have no meaning.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:29 pmMcInsane says: By Golly, jimminy crickers, good gosh, holy cow, by gummish, we are gonna keep having this war and I’m gonna make even newer, greater, and more profitable wars in the future, by golly.
Buck Fush
February 1st, 2008 at 12:30 pmCompletely agree with “let McCain talk”. Hope he gets TONS of airtime and can’t wait til he debates the Dem nominee. And, yes, all this means that Mitt is toast. Bet he won’t be going to any parties hosted by Huckabee anytime soon.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:31 pmThe more these fools talk the lower the IQ in the room gets…daily getting close to w’s of ZERO!
Rock on…
February 1st, 2008 at 12:35 pmThe Double War Criminal: John McCain was a war criminal in the War on Vietnam (he bombed and maimed and murdered Vietnamese men, women and children) and in the War on Iraq (he voted in favor of allowing Bush to invade Iraq and he has been a cheerliar for Bush aggression and endless occupation since… Double your war crimes, double your …
February 1st, 2008 at 12:36 pmNOBODY, Puke or Dim, can or will end the occupation of Iraq as long as there are ‘real-politik’ considerations in play in the trans-Caspian, under which apparently sloshes the largest, mostly undeveloped pool of petro-chemical resources in the world.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:38 pmSo the question has to become: Is it (”occupation”) a bug or a feature? McStain’s opting for the latter stance: that it’s gonna redound in “our” favor if we joyfully persevere and spend more lives and treasure to ‘bring democracy to the Middle East.”
We’re “winning” as long as we’re there. “We” only lose by leaving. This has been the Bushevik mantra the whole time. It’s NOT been discredited–except by the facts; but when was that ever a bar to ambition?
Bush’s sponsored crap back in 2000 about McCain being mentally unstable was apparently close to the mark, though purely by accident ( Rove didn;t mean it, it was just an expedient turd of a notion he threw out there)
If Mccain really believes what he says about Iraq, he is insane. If he doesn;t reallly believe it but expects a politically mixed TV audience to believe it, he is insane.
If he doesn’t think he won’t get busted for pandering to the 28 per-centers, he’s insane.
If he KNows he’ll get busted but just doesn’t care, he’s insane.
A theme seems to be emerging here,,,can’t quite put my figure on it. Damn it! Now I’ll be thinking about it all day! It’s going to drive me INSANE!
February 1st, 2008 at 12:39 pmok, who cares about mccain?
now, about those cheering idiots in the crowd?
it’s hard to believe that someone would hoot and hollar at those comments…..
February 1st, 2008 at 12:41 pmNBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll conducted by the polling organizations of Peter Hart (D) and Bill McInturff (R). Jan. 20-22, 2008. N=1,008 adults nationwide.
“In general, do you approve or disapprove of the job that George W. Bush is doing in handling the situation in Iraq?” Half sample, MoE ± 4.4
Approve 28
Disapprove 67
Unsure 5
Keep it up Johnny, tie your entire campaign to the ‘winning’ stuff that 67% of Americans believe is wrong.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:44 pmThe Double War Criminal: John McCain was a war criminal in the War on Vietnam (he bombed and maimed and murdered Vietnamese men, women and children)
sorry, but that’s not a war crime, but nice try.
just because you took orders, and served in vietnam, does not make you a war criminal.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:44 pmI used to have alot of respect for JM, it is now gone. He once stood up against torture, but then bent over and kissed shrubs arse.I watched the movie “Why we fight” and thought this guy is OK. What happened John? Senility? Payoff by the MIC?
February 1st, 2008 at 12:45 pmIt is supposed to be a comedy show… they probably thought McCain was trying to be funny…..
February 1st, 2008 at 12:45 pmCNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Jan. 14-17, 2008. N=1,393 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.
Favor 34
Oppose 63
Unsure 3
McClamor, make sure you align with the more than one third of those polled here. You Hear?
February 1st, 2008 at 12:46 pmBy golly, he’s gone ’round the bend.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:54 pmAs pathetic as this fool sounds, polls currently show him beating both Clinton and Obama head to head in the Presidential Election.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:56 pmWe are winning in Iraq just like how all of the opponent to New England Patiots won their games this season…
February 1st, 2008 at 1:00 pmMcCain USED to be an “HONORABLE” man from the military.
Just like Colin Powell WAS.
Both SOLD OUT to Bush’s WAR OF LIES.
And now McCain and Powell are BOTH sold-out LIARS.
If McCain gets the GHP (Grand Hypocrisy Party) nomination, his clip about “more wars” needs to be played 24/7.
That’ll SINK this LIAR.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:02 pmKeep it up, McCain…keep it up.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:02 pmIn order to ‘win’ something, there has to be a measurable and attainable goal.
What exactly is that goal in Iraq? And who gets to determine when we have ‘won?’
February 1st, 2008 at 1:07 pm19 -
If one of your glorious Republican leaders was leading you into a burning building, you’d applaud his conviction and leadership while criticizing all the Democrats screaming, “Dude, the building is on fire!”
February 1st, 2008 at 1:09 pmwinning what?
February 1st, 2008 at 1:10 pmwhat do we win?
Republicans like McCain, on the other hand, don’t follow the polls. They are leaders, not followers.
Comment by good_golly — February 1, 2008 @ 12:54 pm
Especially good for when you’re falling off steep cliffs…
February 1st, 2008 at 1:11 pmwinning what?
what do we win?
Comment by LividLib — February 1, 2008 @ 1:10 pm
Kewpie doll, after busting 3 balloons..
February 1st, 2008 at 1:12 pmMcLame…..easy to beat,just what we wanted.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:16 pmI have something to tell John McCain. I AM NOT YOUR FRIEND. If he were to somehow get elected, I don’t think I could spend the next 4 years listening to him saying “my friends”. I think I would slit my wrists. Does he think this makes him sound like a regular guy or something. He addressed the American public as “my friends” something like 16 times in the short speech he made after winning his first primary.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:19 pmKeep talking mcain. no one is buying that brand of crazy anymore. Everytime you open your mouth more people run from the repubican party. there isn’t a troll left on this board who will own up to being republican, theyre all “independents” now. It’s telling that more dems voted in the FLA primary, where their vote did not count than in the republican’t primary.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:20 pmpolls currently show him beating both Clinton and Obama head to head in the Presidential Election.
Comment by Point Blank
And where did you see these so called POLLS?
They don’t exist, thought so.
Buck Fush
February 1st, 2008 at 1:20 pmReminds me of the Cowardly Lion all scrunched up saying, “I do believe in spooks, I do believe in spooks, I do, I do, I do.”
February 1st, 2008 at 1:20 pmAnother thing John McCain needs to know. There is no way to “win” the occupation of a country.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:20 pmpolls currently show him beating both Clinton and Obama head to head in the Presidential Election.
Comment by Point Blank
Right blank point, and 4 out of 5 dentists chew trident, and nothing works as well as bayer aspirin…
February 1st, 2008 at 1:22 pmDemocrats wet their finger, stick it in the air, see which way the wind is blowing, pick their position based upon what the polls say, and change their position when the polls change. They are followers. Republicans like McCain, on the other hand, don’t follow the polls. They are leaders, not followers.
Comment by good_golly — February 1, 2008 @ 12:54 pm
So much for the whole “deriving power by the consent of the governed” thing.
Seriously - what’s wrong with politicians changing stances when the people want a change in policy? Isn’t that the letter and spirit of democracy?
February 1st, 2008 at 1:23 pm!9… actually you’ve misrepresented republicans. They don’t lead, but rather they are PUSHED by lobbyists, donors, corporations, etc. Are you actually going to defend out current President as a “leader”? As for democrats… What exactly is wrong with doing what the majority of the public wants? Isn’t that the basis for Democracy? Now, given that we do NOT have a “Democracy” in this country (it’s representative Democracy, afterall), we certainly expect our elected representatives to be better informed than the public, but still take into consideration the desires of the people.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:24 pmMy my, GiGi is on a roll today. She thinks that Democrats are changing their positions according to which way the winds blow. I guess she missed all the times that McCain has changed his views and the many more times Romney has changed his views.
Oh well, when you are an ignorant tool, you will believe anything your authority figures tell you. It’s too much work to actually think for yourself.
For GiGi’s education, here is a list of the issues McCain has flip-flopped on:
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html
I’m sure I could find a similar list of Romney’s flip-flops but I don’t have the time right now.
Perhaps GiGi would like to come up with a list of the issues that either Clinton or Obama have flip-flopped on.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:27 pmAs pathetic as this fool sounds, polls currently show him beating both Clinton and Obama head to head in the Presidential Election.
Comment by Point Blank
National polls at this time mean absolutely nothing. They have had Clinton beating Obama for months. But once Obama gets out there and people start seeing what he stands for, guess what, national polls now are almost neck and neck.
National polls also say that more Americans would vote for an anonymous Democrat than an anonymous Republican.
So, I’ll just wait and see what happens when we have two candidates and their stand on issues becomes better known to the public.
BTW, anyone want to bet that McCain has a “come to Jesus” moment if he is the candidate and changes his views on immigration?
February 1st, 2008 at 1:31 pmMcCain is a psycho has-been, and anyone who lines up to vote for his crazy old ass ought to be referred for a mental-health checkup.
Republicans and Conservatives are invariably, pathologically, wrong. Always have been, and their record speaks for itself. What a wanton waste of civil resources, and for how pathetically long now!?!?!?
Anyone who’s been alive more than 20 years and paid any attention at all should know that like they know their own thumbs.
Anyone who doesn’t is a malicious idiot.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:32 pmAlso - “by golly?” Who says “by golly” in this day and age?
Gee willikers, McCain! It’s high time for you to take the jalopy over to the soda shoppe and learn some vernacular apropos of these modern tymes!
February 1st, 2008 at 1:33 pmEnough with the ‘my friend’ crap. Whenever Mac uses that phrase I heard the bullshit bell start to ring.
And, by golly, no, I don’t think we are winning, or will win. We’re just going to be there.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:34 pm19 - 17. That is one of the key differences between Democrats and Republicans. Democrats wet their finger, stick it in the air, see which way the wind is blowing,… Blah..Blah..bl..
Comment by good_golly — February 1, 2008 @ 12:54 pm
This is typical of Neocon jackasses, No dipshit, Smart people were against this illegal war in Iraq from day one. Most of Those same smart people were completely behind the effort in Afghanistan but only if that job was completed.
Some Not so smart people supported invading Iraq because they trusted their gov.t. They soon realised that they’d been fooled and jumped in with the smart people.
Complete and utter morons with no moral compass are the only jackasses that supported invading Iraq from the beggining and still support it today.
I wish acme safes would fall out of the sky and crush those people and send them to that special kind of hell that has been reserved for them….
February 1st, 2008 at 1:34 pmFebruary 1st, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Senile dementia is winning!
February 1st, 2008 at 1:39 pmtypical neocon reaction,What else would you expect from someone who says 100 more years of IRAQ at a cost of 100 billion $ a year and those jobs that are gone and aren`t comming back.These neo cons are all about what I call the C`s of the neocon credo Cronyism, Contradiction and Corruption.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:42 pmMuch of the world was behind us in Afghanistan but Bush’s war to kill Saddam brought us down!
February 1st, 2008 at 1:42 pmSCAB
February 1st, 2008 at 1:44 pmJust in case McCocaine didn’t read it:
February 1st, 2008 at 1:45 pmFebruary 1st, 2008 at 1:46 pm
The guy is as delusional as Bush and the obvious choice if you want four more years of ‘Oil Wars’.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:52 pmHere’s a link for you saco.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:58 pmBy golly as libs we what the U.S. to lose. We will see to that if we are elected to the presidency.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 2:00 pm
The U.S. lost when we invaded a country that posed no threat to us for no reason.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:01 pm#32 Bucky
NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll conducted by the polling organizations of Peter Hart (D) and Bill McInturff (R). Jan. 20-22, 2008. N=approx. 500 adults nationwide. MoE ± 4.4. RV = registered voters
“If the next election for president were held today, and [see below] were the Republican candidate and [see below] were the Democratic candidate, for whom would you vote?”
McCain (R) 46
Clinton (D) 44
Depends (vol.) 1
Neither/Other (vol.) 3
Unsure 6
McCain (R) 42
Obama (D) 42
Depends (vol.) 4
Neither/Other (vol.) 6
Unsure 6
But just wait till the voters listen to McCain and his hundred year war blather…
February 1st, 2008 at 2:07 pmWhy bother with the headline? REGULAR Iraqis don’t count for anything, you think they’re going to give a crap about exploding mentally retarded Iraqis? They’re only going to use is as yet another tool in their propaganda. As if they could give a sh!t about ANY Iraqis exploding.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:17 pm#55
Comment by RUCerious — February 1, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
Is the U.S. still in Europe? Why? Is the U.S. still in South Korea? Why? Why does the U.S. have bases in Japan? Why do we have a base in Guam? Why does the U.S. have outposts in Somolia? ect……
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 2:16 pm
Because we’re wanted in those places ……..The only jackasses that want us in Iraq are the imbeciles in the GOP , this garbage administration , and the moronic 20%’ers who still stupidly support Shrub…..
Oh , and Bin Laden and al Qeada and the Taliban ……They need us there for target practice.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:26 pmNational Poll Averages by Month
Month Barack Obama John McCain
January 44.8 43.3
Looked up the polls and they are all over the place, but still this was at the top of the page.
Buck Fush
February 1st, 2008 at 2:26 pmThe fact is after 5 years in these two wars we are still sending young men to fight in Iraq and Afghanstan.
We have more troops now than ever before in Iraq and Afghanstan.
If McCain is right, then what we will be doing now is the opposite, and that’s bringing the troops home.That’s not it’s happening.
Of Course McCain who claimed to be the next war/wars president when elected is painting a rosey picture,instead; a picture he, Giuliani and his buddy Joe Lieberman drew that does not match or reflect facts on the ground in either Iraq or Afghanstan.
He himself confessed that more wars are needed…so where is success?
McCain also keeps comparing Iraq to Korea by saying that ‘ we are still in Korea after 55 years..’
But , Mr. McCain: not all nations are the same.
We have tried to do the same in Viet Nam,as we did in Korea, but it did not work,and McCain himself was in Viet Nam war,and he must have heard the same official claims then:’We are winning….in Viet Nam”.
So to compare Iraq or Afghanstan to Korea is nothing but a shallow thinking based on faulty assumptions.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:32 pmThe Iraqis have ALREADY TOLD
MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA that they want us OUT.
Anything else about Iraq wanting us there is a LIE.
BURN IN HELL for ETERNITY, Bush and supporters.
For your support of GENOCIDE and LIES,
God SEES the EVIL that you support, and your Judgement Day probably won’t be good for you.
Unless you REPENT of the EVIL that is the Bush WAR CRIMINALS.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:34 pmYou cant ‘win’ an occupation. You win wars by having an exit plan. You win freedom operations by winning the hearts and the minds of the people.
McCain has no exit strategy and by his own words doesn’t plan to have one during his possible presidency.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:39 pmRealistically, how much longer can the United States sustain a $2billion-a-week/150,000+ troop presence in Iraq?
With a sagging economy and a military with an ever dwindling number of personnel that can be sent overseas, is it even possible to keep the level of troops in Iraq that you had before the escalation? Not to mention the increasing need for more troops in Afghanistan.
This is why the US military leadership in Iraq is cutting deals with the Sunni tribes, and from what I’ve read are trying to get Sadr to keep up his ceasefire. Pretend there’s peace, then leave.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:40 pmThose guys are in Iraq? Damn….bin Laden and the Taliban I swore were somewhere along Afghanistan/Pakistani border.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 2:38 pm
Exactly.
So WHY are we in Iraq if Bin Laden is in Pakistan with NUKES?
Right, because MURDERER Bush is a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA, and he and his PNAC boys are WAR CRIMINALS.
God SEES their EVIL, and will remember the SLAUGHTER of his CHILDREN.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:42 pm#59
“Oh , and Bin Laden and al Qeada and the Taliban ……They need us there for target practice.â€
Those guys are in Iraq? Damn….bin Laden and the Taliban I swore were somewhere along Afghanistan/Pakistani border.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 2:38 pm
Where did I say that Bin Laden was there personally , moron ?
Chimpy the Wonder Monkey has done everything that Bin Laden wanted him to do , so why would the stupid ass deviate from that now ?
And for the Taliban and/or al Qeada to send someone to Iraq for training by taking pot-shots at our troops is how costly as opposed to Chimpy McFlightsuit’s idiotic occupation of Iraq ?
February 1st, 2008 at 2:42 pmJeepers John. Why don’t you just jump up and down on the sofa while gushing “we’re winning, we’re winning, we’re winning”.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:43 pm#59
Comment by MCMetal — February 1, 2008 @ 2:26 pm
Now answer the question. Why are we there? Because they want us there is not why we are there. Those countries I mentioned don’t actually want us there. Are you crazy? We are there because we need to be there.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 2:31 pm
February 1st, 2008 at 2:43 pmWe’re in most foreign lands because of our constant meddling and nation building and ass-backwards “thinking” like from this garbage administration ………..Nothing else
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 2:31 pm
Did the US being there prevent Kim Jong Il from obtaining a nuke?
February 1st, 2008 at 2:46 pmSo, Tracy2, YOU answer a question:
WHY did Bush and Cheney REFUSE to TESTIFY UNDER OATH to the 9/11 Commission, which they resisted forming for over a year?
i.e. TELL THE TRUTH to the Commission AND the American Public about their involvement in 9/11, the Bin Ladens, and
the Saudis, who are FINANCING Al Queda?
Now answer the question…
February 1st, 2008 at 2:48 pmIf were winning we would be drawing down troops, but thats not the case.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:48 pm#64….tracy 2
I wish I can answer you ‘why we are still in South Korea’.
But unforunately, I can’t.
I never advocated that we should be in S. Korea.
Simply what I’m saying is McCain gave an exmple of two different countries to make his point about staying in Iraq for a long time..he injected Korea as his example, but in the same time ignoring the fact that the dissimilarities are many between the two countries ,and his example seemed flawed by comparing the two countries.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:49 pmA 10th is expected in March. Once that number hits 18 of 18, it is obviously time to go, unless the Iraqi government gives us permission to man a permanent base and we wish to have one there, in which case there will be a more lasting, albeit smaller U.S. military presence in Iraq. Comment by good_golly
Yeh, and Condi told George way back when Iraq was Sovereign. Yet we are still there. McCain, once again, has no exit plan.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:52 pmTracy is SCARED to answer WHY his WAR CRIMINAL “heroes” refused to testify UNDER OATH.
It’s OK, Tracy, we understand the SHAME you must have by supporting these TRAITORS to the USA named Bush and Cheney…
February 1st, 2008 at 2:54 pmunless the Iraqi government gives us permission to man a permanent base and we wish to have one there, -GG
I guess you missed the signing statement George made that removed the ban on permanent bases that congress and the people of the US wanted? Your wish does not matter.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:56 pmWhat intelligence information or estimate can account for how many nukes NC actually has…if any?
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 2:53 pm
Maybe Blackwater can tell you what nukes they have in NC.
If they HAVE any, I hope they BLOW THEMSELVES UP.
For the GOOD of the USA…
February 1st, 2008 at 2:56 pmWhat nuke? Oh the one that was a dud? -Tracy2
You think they only built one? Why would you think that?
February 1st, 2008 at 2:57 pm#86. Good. Another Saudi, no doubt. Bush’s Saudi BUDDIES are the MAIN FINANCIERS of Al Queda. In Iraq and WORLDWIDE.
Another reason that MURDERER Bush is a TRAITOR to the USA.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:00 pmI’m glad to see they are catching supporters GG, but your post goes against what McCain is saying.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:03 pmI’m always amazed by the wingnuts who tell this military vet “just listen to the troops…they wanna stay and ‘finish the job’”…..I reply “the troops are 18 and 19 year old kids…since when do I start looking to 19 year olds for advice on ANYTHING…let alone the most important decisions of foreign policy…..Bush and McCain telling us to “listen to the troops” is the most cowardly form of “passing the buck” that this nation has ever seen.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:06 pmWe fight wars when it is in our national interest to fight wars…….we don’t fight wars so that certain testosterone overloaded 19 year olds can experience adventure……not that there’s anything wrong with testosterone overloaded 19 year olds…..I was once one myself….but it is up to us older and wiser heads to ensure that that testosterone in not spilled in mindless conflicts. Bush and McCain have failed them tragically.
#71
Comment by MCMetal — February 1, 2008 @ 2:43 pm
Shallow thinking on your part…especially on a strategic level.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 2:56 pm
As opposed to the “progressive thought” required to remove established governments in whatever idiotic manner we see fit , thus drawing the ire and wrath of the people in that particular nation ?
Hey GOP suckhole
Who do you believe you are , that you should be able to dictate your views and whims on what other countries should be ?
February 1st, 2008 at 3:16 pmComment by good_golly — February 1, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
BAGHDAD - Remote-controlled explosives strapped to two mentally handicapped women detonated in a coordinated attack on pet bazaars Friday, police and Iraqi officials said, killing at least 73 people in the deadliest day since the U.S. sent 30,000 extra troops to the capital this spring.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22945797
February 1st, 2008 at 3:18 pmCongrats , Shrub administration and your leg humpers like goof_golly
Shallow thinking on your part…especially on a strategic level.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 2:56 pm
You mean like funding, training and equipping radical religious extremists the way the GOP has done for decades? ROTFL, dum bass!
Having said that, can you please confirm or deny that the members of the 9/11 Commission were all in an official government capacity as the time of the hearings? i.e. were they bound by the rules and regulations regarding the handling/hearing of top secret information?
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 3:25 pm
ROTFL! Congress has the RIGHT to oversee this - TARD!
February 1st, 2008 at 3:29 pmWhat nuke? Oh the one that was a dud? What intelligence information or estimate can account for how many nukes NC actually has…if any?
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 2:53 pm
So you’re saying he only has a DIRTY BOMB, not a BIG BOOMY ONE? ROTFL, yeah that couldn’t possibly harm ANYONE!! ROTFL, you’re a complete DUM BASS!! You must be from TEXAS to be THAT STUPID!!! ;)
February 1st, 2008 at 3:30 pm#80
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — February 1, 2008 @ 2:54 pm
Why did Clinton and Gore refuse to testify under oath?
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 3:37 pm
They DIDN’T.
If you are saying they DID, then show PROOF.
So again, answer the question (I just answered YOURS):
WHY didn’t Bush and Cheney testify UNDER OATH?
Because they are MURDERER coxucker PUNKS and TRAITORS to the USA?
Of course…
February 1st, 2008 at 3:39 pm#86. Good. Another Saudi, no doubt. Bush’s Saudi BUDDIES are the MAIN FINANCIERS of Al Queda. In Iraq and WORLDWIDE.
Another reason that MURDERER Bush is a TRAITOR to the USA.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:41 pm#75
Comment by Xisithrus — February 1, 2008 @ 2:48 pm
“If were winning we would be drawing down troops, but thats not the case.â€
We are winning on the security part of the equation. It’s the political stalemate, which is directly related to Iraqis being able to provide their own security, that is preventing us from drawing down the number of troops.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 3:33 pm
You believe we’re “winning” the security part of the equation when 2 mentally handicapped women blow up half of the biggest and most populated city in Iraq and 73 people are killed ?
Your Chimpy Adoration Syndrome appears to be totally debilitating
February 1st, 2008 at 3:42 pmWe are winning on the security part of the equation. It’s the political stalemate, which is directly related to Iraqis being able to provide their own security, that is preventing us from drawing down the number of troops.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 3:33 pm
Actually they ADAPT to EVERY TACTIC including the SURGE, DUM BASS. It’s THEIR COUNTRY, and they don’t want us there - dum bass! And that’s why the FIGHT.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:44 pm“tracy” is STILL SCARED to answer WHY his “heroes”, the MURDERING coxucker PUNKS Bush and Cheney
REFUSED TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH and tell the TRUTH about 9/11 to the American people.
I understand your SHAME in supporting these TRAITORS, “tracy”.
Of course, if you STILL support them, then the Almighty God has a place for YOU along with them BURNING IN HELL FOR ETERNITY.
TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan is ALREADY there, and all he can SCREAM through his senility is “HOT, MASTER Satan, HOT!”
February 1st, 2008 at 3:44 pmCan you cite any intelligence information that North Korea has any nukes as of today?
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 3:39 pm
Good grief fat boy - you’re STUPID! You think your IGNORANCE is a FACT!! ROTFL!!
http://www.globalsecurity.org/ org/ news/ 2005/ 050216-dprk-nukes.htm
February 1st, 2008 at 3:47 pmMy life is so empty that I need to “win” anything.
Thanks for those million dead civilians’ victories.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:48 pmyes we have something to say about the way they conduct themselves
Comment by Tracy2
Pssst, take your bravado to Saudi Arabia. Good luck.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:48 pmWhy did Clinton and Gore refuse to testify under oath?
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 3:37 pm
ROTFL!! Wow, were they PRESIDENT when the US WAS ATTACKED? Well technical Al Gore was ELECTED president, but that’s a different issue! ;)
February 1st, 2008 at 3:48 pmYou TREASONOUS PSYOPS from the DoD are ALSO doomed to BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY along with TRAITORS Bush, Cheney and
MORON TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan (HOT, MASTER Satan, HOT!)
February 1st, 2008 at 3:49 pmGood grief fat boy - you’re STUPID! You think your IGNORANCE is a FACT!! ROTFL!!
Comment by republicans hate facts
Hey, RHF, slow down. Tracy is answering #91.
Let’s give him time.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:50 pmWhen the leaders of those “other countries†are financing terrorists that attack our country or our allies…yes we have something to say about the way they conduct themselves
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 3:47 pm
ROTFL!! You’re DUMB! We FINANCED the TALIBAN and AL QAEDA to attack others - you STUPID LITTLE FAT MAN, and they now USE WHAT WE GAVE THEM to ATTACK US!! It’s called BLOWBACK (and not the kind you’re used to getting in the mens room in Tallahassee! ;)
February 1st, 2008 at 3:50 pmWhen the leaders of those “other countries†are financing terrorists that attack our country or our allies…yes we have something to say about the way they conduct themselves
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 3:47 pm
Bush’s BEST BUDDIES, the Saudis, are the FINANCIERS of Al Queda.
A DoD report said so.
So, take it to Saudi Arabia, maybe BANDAR BUSH will listen to you.
Infidel Dog, subject of Infidel Dog Bush.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pmInteresting that ThinkProgress failed to mention in the write-up above that the two suicide bombers were mentally challenged women manipulated and exploited by Al Qaeda to carry out this heinous attack:
“Mentally Retarded Women Used in Bombings
Feb 1 04:02 PM US/Eastern
By STEVEN R. HURST
Associated Press Writer
BAGHDAD (AP) - Two mentally retarded women strapped with remote-control explosives—and possibly used as unwitting suicide bombers—brought carnage Friday to two pet bazaars, killing at 73 people in the deadliest day since Washington flooded the capital with extra troops last spring.
The coordinated blasts—coming 20 minutes apart in different parts of the city—appeared to reinforce U.S. claims al-Qaida in Iraq may be increasingly desperate and running short of able-bodied men willing or available for such missions.”
February 1st, 2008 at 3:52 pm#90
Comment by MCMetal — February 1, 2008 @ 3:16 pm
When the leaders of those “other countries†are financing terrorists that attack our country or our allies…yes we have something to say about the way they conduct themselves
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 3:47 pm
That would be Saudi Arabia , you dopey bastard ; do you envision Chimpy the Wonder Monkey putting down his sword and to stop dancing long enough with his sheik buddies long enough to attack them ?
Ummm , BTW
Does that mean we should have been invaded during Ronnie Retard’s sorry-ass presidency then ?
Seeing as how he’s the idiot responsible for arming Saddam/Iraq , the Taliban and even al Qeada ; are you all for that , too ?
February 1st, 2008 at 3:52 pmThe coordinated blasts—coming 20 minutes apart in different parts of the city—appeared to reinforce U.S. claims al-Qaida in Iraq may be increasingly desperate and running short of able-bodied men willing or available for such missions.â€
Comment by Exley — February 1, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
Not too different from our own mentally-impaired president ordering Shock and Awe, is it, exlax? I wonder who Al Quaeda is modelling?
February 1st, 2008 at 3:53 pmOh for that same reason that Clinton and Gore refused to testify in public before the 9/11 Commission. BTW they did meet as did Bush and Cheney, with all ten members of the 9/11 Commission to answer questions in private.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 3:25 pm
You have YET ANOTHER republican run COMMISSION that CLEARLY would have been HAPPY TO WITCH HUNT another Clinton - lets see, why would Clinton ever be RESISTANT to that? Especially when he WASN’T PRESIDENT when it all happened! ROTFL, you’re DUMB even for a TEXAN and that SAYS A LOT!! ROTFL!!! ;)
February 1st, 2008 at 3:53 pmInteresting that ThinkProgress failed to mention in the write-up above that the two suicide bombers were mentally challenged women manipulated and exploited by Al Qaeda to carry out this heinous attack:
Comment by Exley — February 1, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
February 1st, 2008 at 3:54 pmInteresting how yourself and the other idiots in the Chimpy Adoration Brigade here never fail to defend the mentally challenged furball in the Oval Office…………..
STILL the DoD PSYOPS little COWARD “tracy”
is so full of SHAME from his TREASONOUS “heroes” Bush and Cheney.
BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY, “tracy” with MURDERERS and COXUCKER punks TRAITORS Bush and Cheney.
And TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan, already DEAD and BURNING:
“HOT, MASTER Satan, HOT!”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
February 1st, 2008 at 3:55 pmIf you are referring Reagan and bin Laden during the 1980s against the Soviets they your historical knowledge of al Qaeda is a non existant. Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
ROTFL!! And you are a MORON! Al Qaeda didn’t exist in the 80s TARD, but the Taliban and the religious extremists ‘foreign fighters’ that went to Afghanistan and received our money and our training DID - and THEY BECAME AL QAEDA! It was JUST THE KIND OF BLOWBACK that Ronnie RayGun was WARNED ABOUT! And IGNORED!
The 9/11 Commission was not made up of sitting congressmen.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
They were created BY CONGRESS under LAW to do THEIR WORK of evaluating the situation, and BUSH - SIGNED THE LAW to make it HAPPEN! TARD! ;)
February 1st, 2008 at 3:56 pm#93
Comment by republicans hate facts — February 1, 2008 @ 3:29 pm
“You mean like funding, training and equipping radical religious extremists the way the GOP has done for decades?â€
If you are referring Reagan and bin Laden during the 1980s against the Soviets they your historical knowledge of al Qaeda is a non existant.
“Congress has the RIGHT to oversee thisâ€
The 9/11 Commission was not made up of sitting congressmen.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
February 1st, 2008 at 3:56 pmDidn’t the “sitting Congress” during Ronnie Retard’s crappy presidency have the right to oversee Iran-Contra , too , you GOP stooge ?
Interesting that ThinkProgress failed to mention in the write-up above that the two suicide bombers were mentally challenged women manipulated and exploited by Al Qaeda to carry out this heinous attack:
Comment by Exley — February 1, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
Those VICTIMS sound a LOT LIKE YOU! We feel ALSO SAD that YOU get mutilated by being MANIPULATED as well TARD! But since your PARTY has NO VALUES, what else SHOULD ONE EXPECT? ;)
February 1st, 2008 at 3:57 pmThe 9/11 Commission was not made up of sitting congressmen.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
and why was that, tracy2stupid?
February 1st, 2008 at 3:58 pmDidn’t the “sitting Congress†during Ronnie Retard’s crappy presidency have the right to oversee Iran-Contra , too , you GOP stooge ?
Comment by MCMetal — February 1, 2008 @ 3:56 pm
Don’t CONFUSE TRACY with FACTS, he has a KING TO ADORE!! ROTFL!!
February 1st, 2008 at 3:58 pmInteresting that ThinkProgress failed to mention in the write-up above that the two suicide bombers were mentally challenged women Comment by Exley — February 1, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
Interesting, but irrelevant as Think Progress linked the story before the press released the update.
’smatter, Ex, still punch drunk from the Santana deal?
February 1st, 2008 at 3:59 pmThe investigation into the Challenger shuttle disaster received 50 million, the 911 only 3 million, despite 3000 dead americans from an attack on our soil. The republicans didn’t want to investigate, because they know their policies and incompetence CAUSED 911. That’s why TARDS like tracy are so DESPERATE to ignore reality - it shows what TARDS the GOP IS FULL OF!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:01 pmWhenever I read of an Al Qaeda atrocity, like this manipulation of two mentally challenged women to kill innocent men, women and children shopping at a pet bazaar, I cannot help but remember people like Juan C. defending such actions:
“Self-defense is what the Iraqi insurgency is doing…”
Comment by Juan C — July 24, 2006 @ 6:32 pm
Yeah, that was real self-defense there, Juan…The “insurgent” have really struck a blow for Iraqi sovereignty by killing innocent Iraqi civilains shopping for pets.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:02 pm#126, DRxJ,
“Punch drunk”
“Thrilled”
“Awe-struck.”
Whatever word you want to use — WHAT A DEAL!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:03 pmSpeaking of the 9/11 Commission, while it is true that Clinton, Gore, Bush, and Cheney all testified in private and without taking an oath, both Clinton and Gore testified individually.
Bush and Cheney testified together. Why?
Did Cheney drink a glass of water whenever Bush talked?
Also, the independent counsel headed by Kenneth Starr that investigated the Cinton administration cost the American taxpayer $40 million. And lasted around seven years (1994 to 2001)
The total cost of the commission that was to investigate the worst attack on US soil? Just over $3million. And the total amount of time allotted for their investigations? 20 months (Nov ‘02 to July ‘04)
February 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pmI’m not sure which is more disappointing and sad.
The fact that Ex went for the low-blow, and claimed Juan (and other people here) defend such actions.
Or…
The fact that he cuts, pastes, and saves posts from 20 months ago.
(Off topic: Tigers/Mets 2008?)
February 1st, 2008 at 4:09 pmYeah, that was real self-defense there, Juan…The “insurgent†have really struck a blow for Iraqi sovereignty by killing innocent Iraqi civilains shopping for pets.
Comment by Exley
Well, your noble causes mean throwing napalm over kids, waterboarding people and carpetbombing entire villages. Maybe you all lunatics should do a picnic and leave the rest of us alone.
BTW, you play bad Guy Pierce’s character.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:10 pmYup, TRAITORS Bush and Cheney went before the 9/11 Commission in CLOSED SESSION, NO TRANSCRIPTS, and not UNDER OATH.
The TREASON of 9/11 lies with the Bush WAR CRIMINALS.
TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan’s comment on them:
“HOT, MASTER Satan, HOT!”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:12 pmCongratulations, Juan!
You have figured out where my screen name comes from. One of my favorite movies and an even better novel.
But I dissent — Guy Pearce’s “Edmund Exley” was not a bad guy. He is a flawed hero.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:12 pmTwo mentally retarded women strapped with remote-control explosives…
They are using Republicans as suicide bombers?
Buck Fush
February 1st, 2008 at 4:13 pm#103
Comment by republicans hate facts — February 1, 2008 @ 3:44 pm
Well then they better get their shit together and we will leave.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 4:06 pm
I thought “democracy” was brought to the people of Iraq ?
Who are you , and especially Chimpy the stupid murdering loser , to impose anything on them ?
You’re embarrassing yourself
February 1st, 2008 at 4:14 pmYou have figured out where my screen name comes from. One of my favorite movies and an even better novel.
Comment by Exley
All credit to RUCerious.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:14 pmBTW why do you insist on calling me fat boy? I am in better shape than you.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 4:13 pm
Mentally ?
Not a chance in hell ………….
February 1st, 2008 at 4:14 pmBut I dissent — Guy Pearce’s “Edmund Exley†was not a bad guy. He is a flawed hero.
Comment by Exley — February 1, 2008 @ 4:12 pm
February 1st, 2008 at 4:15 pmAnd you’re a flawed zero……….How appropriate
#139,
Oh, really? Well, well-done by him.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:16 pmNow answer the question. Why are we there? Because they want us there is not why we are there. Those countries I mentioned don’t actually want us there. Are you crazy? We are there because we need to be there.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 2:31 pm
damn good question! i don’t know why we’re there.
Perhaps the U.S. has bases in those other countries because the U.S. is inhabited by a bunch of paranoid, arrogant and belligerent asses with an exaggerated sense of entitlement.
why do we need to be in iraq?
February 1st, 2008 at 4:16 pm(because we broke it is not an acceptable answer).
“And you’re a flawed zero”
[The New Justice Team drop to the floor in front of him.]
Leela: You’re not stealing anything! Nobody hit the deck!
Zookeeper: Ah, the superheroes. Or should I say superzeroes!
Fry: (sad) That was uncalled for.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:18 pmI try not to use the phrase “winning,” since I really don’t think there’s a such thing as winning - or losing, for that matter - in Iraq. I know we can use those words loosely, but when you try to be precise it just doesn’t fit.
That said, I think we’re doing important work there and things are improving. Security is much better, although the numbers worsened in January as we increased activity in Mosul. But Anbar and Baghdad are transformed compared to what they once were, and Mosul might follow if we weed out the insurgents there.
I know the end-game is an Iraqi state where political and economic progress/reconciliation are happening, but we have to be patient for that. That day may come (in some respects it is already here). In the meantime, we finally have daylight and direction in Iraq, led by a great general.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:19 pmTRAITOR Ronnie Reagan:
“HOT, SO HOT, MASTER Satan, SO HOT!
And when do those OTHER TRAITORS, Bush and Cheney get here?
Oh, SOON??
HOT, MASTER Satan, HOT!”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:19 pmAnd yes, I agree, using these women to perform a thing like that is beyond henious.
My money goes to Negroponte´s death squads, like in the times of Exley’s heroes and Freedom Fighters: the Contras using kids to attack Sandinistas and civilian population.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:20 pmMy money goes to Negroponte´s death squads, like in the times of Exley’s heroes and Freedom Fighters: the Contras using kids to attack Sandinistas and civilian population.
Comment by Juan C. — February 1, 2008 @ 4:20 pm
Which is WHY TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan is BURNING FOR ETERNITY!
“HOT, SO HOT, MASTER Satan, SO HOT!”
February 1st, 2008 at 4:21 pmCuz I think that why use mentally disabled people when you have people willing to die for the holy cause, right?
February 1st, 2008 at 4:24 pmYeah, that was real self-defense there, Juan…The “insurgent†have really struck a blow for Iraqi sovereignty by killing innocent Iraqi civilains shopping for pets.
Comment by Exley — February 1, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
You still haven’t explained how this is any different from our retarded president launching “shock and awe” in a major city.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:25 pmThat said, I think we’re doing important work there and things are improving. Security is much better, although the numbers worsened in January as we increased activity in Mosul.
Comment by thirdparty
Really? When was the last time you were there? Have you lost somebody due to the invasion of an invading force? How many bullets you had to dodge in order to get to work?
What sacrifices have you done in order to give Iraqis a better life since 1991 sanctions that starved the country? Huh?
February 1st, 2008 at 4:27 pmTracy2,
From wikipedia:
An accusation against Iran of backing an assassination attempt aimed at Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz was used as a pretext for the attack. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait supplied substantial financial support.
Now go exercise!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:27 pmGreat not Lefty Patriot is directly insulting our troops mental capacity. Pathetic.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 4:25 pm
Well, I guess I can’t go wrong questioning your mental capacity, seeing as hopw that post was clearly questioning the president’s mental stabillity. But, now that you mentiuon it, since the Army is now recruiting among gang members, dropouts and sociopaths, I guess maybe you have a point about the military’s mental capacity. Thansk for bringing that up. Explains why we’re losing.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:27 pmDo you have some evidence of the Saudi government providing funding?
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 4:23 pm
well, to be fair, Reagan provided quite a bit of that funding, it wasn’t just the Saudis.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:28 pmIn the meantime, we finally have daylight and direction in Iraq, led by a great general.
Comment by thirdparty — February 1, 2008 @ 4:19 pm
wow, the republicans have you people completely brainwashed. must be the small brains that makes that easy.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:30 pmDRxJ,
Juan and I trade these charges all the time — It is a little exercise in hyperbole in which we engage….
My point is not that I truly believe Juan actually supports such atrocities (at least I hope he doesn’t!) but rather to point out that Juan has selective outrage. He (and others here) get apoplectic that two or three Al Qaeda members had water poured on their face four years ago, but Al Qaeda sending mentally challenged women to blow up innocent men, women, and children at a pet bazaar gets a pass from them — No word of condemnation or disapproval.
The moral relativism is quite frustrating.
As for Mets-Tigers — A very real possibility. The Tigers pulled their own blockbuster deal this off-season. I’d love to see it…..Of course, already other people are saying that this season will see a re-match of the 1986 World Series.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:30 pmI
This is getting old having to get the new to you. Clinton and Gore did did not testify under oath to the 9/11 Commission.
http://www.cnn.com/ 2004/ ALLPOLITICS/ 04/ 29/ bush.911.commission/ index.html
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 4:29 pm
clinton and Gore were not in charge when Bush and Cheney failed. How many times do you have to be told?
February 1st, 2008 at 4:31 pmGreat not Lefty Patriot is directly insulting our troops mental capacity. Pathetic.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 4:25 pm
Actually, he is calling MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA a MURDEROUS TRAITOR coxucker PUNK.
And YOU try to twist it that telling the TRUTH about AWOL coward TRAITOR Bush is “insulting the troops”.
Pathetic.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:31 pmthanks for the link, Tracyduex!
Former President Clinton and former Vice President Al Gore have also met with the commission. Their sessions were also private and, like Bush and Cheney, they were not under oath. However, Clinton and Gore appeared separately before the panel, and their sessions were recorded.
Now, explain to me why Bush and Cheney had to appear together, and weren’t recorded?
February 1st, 2008 at 4:33 pmFrom the CNN article:
Their sessions were also private and, like Bush and Cheney, they were not under oath. However, Clinton and Gore appeared separately before the panel, and their sessions were recorded.
So, Clinton and Gore’s sessions were RECORDED, transcribed, etc.
TRAITORS Bush and Cheney were NOT.
THEY are the TREASON of 9/11.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pmComment by Exley — February 1, 2008 @ 4:30 pm
well, Exley, you have no proof whatsoever of the truth of the claims of the women being mentally-challenged, and your little game about having water poured on their faces is the typical coward’s way out; you’d give up all your living relatives after 30 seconds of waterboarding, but so what? it’s all about chimp-worship with you traitors, so you’ll never make any sense or understand any morality. The fact is that there are crazy people over there, who have been unleashed by Bush’s massive failures, who previously had been kept under control. So Al Qaeda fights the 400 billion-dollar American machine any way they can. And the American machine loses, again and again.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:35 pmComment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 4:33 pm
and, once again, why was the 9/11 commission unofficial?
because the Republicans could not afford for the truth to be exposed, simple as that.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:36 pmFirst, I’m interested in what your answers would be IF I in fact had been in Iraq. But since I haven’t, I have to base things off what I hear and read, as you or any other would have to do without experiencing the war first-hand. And when I talk to people who have been there, or read about people who have been there, I hear about how security is getting better. Now, it’s never enough to just take someone’s word for it, so I look at the numbers, and the numbers back it up.
And don’t blame those sanctions on anyone but Saddam Hussein. His people didn’t choose to be ruled by a bully, and they certainly didn’t choose for him to brutalize and starve them. If you contrast the oil revenue coming into Iraq before and after the sanctions were implemented, there’s no reason why Hussein shouldn’t have been able to provie better for the Iraqis. But, instead of feeding and sheltering them, he built more palaces. Stop taking the side of a tyrant.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:39 pm#154,
Lefty Patriot, I could emulate your idol Bill Clinton and simply say to you, “I won’t take the bait” since I know you already reoognize the distinction between sending two mentally-challenged women to commit a suicide attack that deliberately targets innocent men, women and children in a civilain markeplace and the highly-targeted use of the most-pinpoint accurate weapons used against military and command-and-control targets after weeks are warning that such attacks were coming.
“Shock-and-awe” was nothing like the bombings of Berlin, Dresden and Tokyp in World War II where there were thousands upon thousands of civilain casualties.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pmFunny, because I thought it was you that was brainwashed, both by the Democrats and the groupthink that goes on at this blog.
Now, if you care to challenge the assertion, you could try using facts and not ad hominem attacks. I argue that there’s direction because we changed the strategy (for instance, we actually “clear, hold and build,” rather than “clear and leave”) and the results support this - declining violence in Anbar and Baghdad, for example. There are a lot of factors for why Iraq has become more secure, and General Petraeus is one of them.
Whoops. Sorry for arguing something that you hardly ever hear around these parts! Gasp!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:46 pmCareful, I don’t think Lefty idolizes Bill Clinton, after what Bill has said about Iraq as president and as former president…
February 1st, 2008 at 4:48 pmComment by Juan C. — February 1, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
Stop taking the side of a tyrant.
Comment by thirdparty — February 1, 2008 @ 4:39 pm
February 1st, 2008 at 4:48 pmJuan doesn’t support Pretzeldent Chimpy ………..
#172
Thirdparty….You may be right. Whereas the vast majority of posters here are Bill and Hillary Clinton supporters, there are a few who are not. Perhaps Lefty Patriot is one of those.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:50 pm“Shock-and-awe†was nothing like the bombings of Berlin, Dresden and Tokyp in World War II where there were thousands upon thousands of civilain casualties.
Comment by Exley — February 1, 2008 @ 4:40 pm
Careful, I don’t think Lefty idolizes Bill Clinton, after what Bill has said about Iraq as president and as former president…
Comment by thirdparty — February 1, 2008 @ 4:48 pm
Umm , does the tiny fact that both Germany and Japan invaded surrounding countries with a “blitzkreig” and a sneak attack on Pearl Harbor mean anything to you pair of dimwits ?
Who , what and where did Iraq/Saddam invade and over-run ?
February 1st, 2008 at 4:51 pmStop taking the side of a tyrant.
Comment by thirdparty
Whatever. What an idiot.
Everybody knows economic sanctions are placed in order to punish the civilian population or force it to rebel against their leaders.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:58 pmThat has nothing to do with the fact that Clinton and Gore also refused to testify under oath and that the members of the 9/11 Commission were not and should not have been allowed to demand public disclosure of top secret information.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 4:55 pm
Show us PROOF that Clinton and Gore REFUSED to testify UNDER OATH.
Bush and Cheney DID refuse to do so.
And again, Clinton and Gore were RECORDED and TRANSCRIBED.
NONE for Bush and Cheney in their “discussion”.
Bush and Cheney–the TREASON of 9/11…
February 1st, 2008 at 4:58 pmWho , what and where did Iraq/Saddam invade and over-run ?
Comment by MCMetal — February 1, 2008 @ 4:51 pm
Thank you!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:59 pmAgain, I ask why are we in Iraq?
Is it because we made a complete mess of the place?
Actually:
Bush and Cheney–The TREASON for 9/11!!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:00 pm#179
I am actually with Juan on this one. Economic sanctions invariably hit the wrong people. They hurt the populace far more than they hurt the dictators at which they are supposedly targeted. Moreover, they rarely succeed. .
February 1st, 2008 at 5:01 pm“Shock-and-awe†was nothing like the bombings of Berlin, Dresden and Tokyp in World War II where there were thousands upon thousands of civilain casualties.
Comment by Exley
You are right. During “Shock and awe” you bombed a country that posed no threat to anyone.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:03 pm#122
Comment by MCMetal — February 1, 2008 @ 3:56 pm
Never said or inferred that they didn’t.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 4:56 pm
February 1st, 2008 at 5:03 pmThen stop telling others to learn about history and the role Ronnie Retard and his grabage administration played in dispensing arms to those who are now known as terrorists ; your grasp of history is the equivalent to Chimpy’s knowledge of vocabulary ……..
#185
Well, I wouldn’t say “no threat,” but certainly we now know not enough of a threat to justify the invasion.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:04 pm#141
Comment by MCMetal — February 1, 2008 @ 4:14 pm
Oh, light years above you.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 1, 2008 @ 5:02 pm
Took you almost a whole hour to come up with that lame comeback to a post/statement that wasn’t addressed to you ?
Pipe down , skid mark ; your Chimpy Adoration Syndrome is obviously more than you can handle.
You don’t have a shot in hell trying to go up against me.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:06 pmLet me just tell you something. Before the sanctions, the year before the Gulf War, and you said this … how much money did Iraq earn from oil? Answer—$16 billion. How much money did Iraq earn last year from oil? How much money did they get, cash on the barrel head, to Saddam Hussein? Answer—$19 billion that he can use exclusively for food, for medicine, to develop his country. He’s got more money now, $3 billion a year more than he had nine years ago.
Well, let’s just say I on the side of Bill Clinton here, and I thin