dammit rick, you always have to add facts to their spiel to mess them up….they hate that…..

But how much would that change if the US was conducting combat operations outside of the control of the Japanese government, against Japanese insurgents?

‘You know my friends, they don’t leave chocolates on the pillow atr the Hanoi Hilton’.
Give this guy the hook.

Comment by thirdparty

see like this little bit of misinformation…..for all except those who want to make bush look better……we have never invaded a country and occupied when we were not attacked except under g bush……it’s new, it’s going to cause us problems, just you wait and see.

I think this answers all of my questions about who this person might be….just another troll…….seems really obvious to me as I read back through the nonsense that was posted by him/her

Comment by Exley — February 3, 2008 @ 3:14 pm
It’s called “quagmire”, Exley. It’s a very shitty position to be in militarily. You accomplish nothing by being there and if you leave, everything you have done is destroyed. You’re pinned, forced to sit and keep piling up your losses. Great. Failure is the new success in reichworld. Glad to see you in the middle of it, idiot.

Or at least a question of: do the people that said government represent want us there?

I have some issues about who the Maliki government is representing, the needs of the Iraqi people, or of just themselves.

Comment by RickS — February 4, 2008 @ 1:23 am

That’s a fair point. It’s hard to make a case that Iraq is more than a borderline-functioning democracy right now, and it’s hard to glean from the political muddle whether it is representing the state’s interests. But, like the US, they are not a direct democracy, and often what polls well is not adopted as policy. In the US, opposition to gay marriage polls well, as does opposition to the war. That doesn’t necessarily translate to policy. By the way, I think you would find mixed polling, for example, in Japan on whether US troops should remain stationed there.

Or at least a question of: do the people that said government represent want us there?

I have some issues about who the Maliki government is representing, the needs of the Iraqi people, or of just themselves.

“For instance, on Korea, there was a time when we invaded and occupied. Now, yes, we are currently there at the behest of the government, ”

I thought US involvement in Korea was due to the invasion of South Korea by North Korea, not America.

Comment by RickS — February 4, 2008 @ 12:50 am

That’s absolutely right. To me, though, while you can argue that one occupation is more moral than another, at the end of the day it’s a question of does that government support us being there/request our presence.

I thought US involvement in Korea was due to the invasion of South Korea by North Korea, not America.

It’s IRRELEVANT whether someone is a WARMONGER? ROTFL, well we know what party you would have voted for in 1930s germany! TARD!

You aren’t CAPABLE of a CIVIL DEBATE, you’re a STUPID LITTLE FASCIST PIG! Nothing MORE, don’t FOOL YOURSELF!

Comment by republicans hate facts — February 4, 2008 @ 12:25 am

Well, to clarify, I meant that in the “warmonger” sense – that is, it’s just a word with no clear meaning, since McCain has at times been less interventionist than many liberals were in the 1990s. So, to me, it’s besides the point. I’m sorry you disagree.

That said, I think it’s funny how you ATTACK ME, considering that YOU have never really once made a substantive point on this blog. You just SHOUT about how Republicans are idiots, fasciStS, etc. LOL, ok, it reminds me of that Billy Madison line…

“Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

out impatience?it’s not your legs being blown off, or your brain being rattled, unfortunately. you ahve no morals. the surge succeeded militarily? the surge was a sign and admittance of failure, to begin with. as are the current airstrikes and pullbacks of patrols. failure is not success, except in wingnutville.

Comment by Lefty Patriot — February 3, 2008 @ 7:15 pm

If you want to bring the debate to that low level, of challenging someone’s morals, fine. I would suggest you have no morals because you don’t care what happens to Iraq once we withdraw. You don’t discuss or confront it. You just don’t care about whether violence gets worse if we leave, do you? What’s the answer, Lefty? Is it, as the Center for American Progress proposes, that we redeploy yet still continue counterterrorism measures inside Iraq?

And does our withdrawal somehow stop bombings, killings, maimings? Let’s get real here. There is no great “moral” option in Iraq, just a host of bad options. Take your pick.

I suggest that.

Comment by Fred — February 3, 2008 @ 6:23 pm

Pretty snide, Fred. Look, I just hope, for your sake, that you aren’t this grouchy in real life. I’ve tried to have a civil debate (sure, occasionally I can’t resist a childish swipe), but you’ve not once been civil with me. Whatever.

no…..god, son. How old are you. we didn’t invade and occupy those countries….we don’t have 160 thousand fighing troops and associated equipment at each of these locations do we? We are there at thier request. Do you need me to wipe your ass for you now…..this data is not a secret. If you are a college student you could have found these things out for youself………

I don’t come on this blog to make myself feel better – I could go to Red State or wherever and do that. I come here to be challenged, and so far you’ve failed to do that.

Comment by thirdparty

It’s called bootstraps….surprised you don’t have a special set of your own. you pull yourself up by them and think for yourself instead of listening to someone else’s bullshit with and agenda…..

sorry I don’t get up in the morning to come and try to roll a republican(I know, you said you were and indy) over to being a democrat……..grow up and do your own thinking for a change.

Mccain is a war monger……why don’t you get that?

Comment by Fred — February 3, 2008 @ 6:11 pm

For instance, on Korea, there was a time when we invaded and occupied. Now, yes, we are currently there at the behest of the government, but we may also be in Iraq years down the road at the behest of the Iraqi government. Time will tell.

I’m quite able to think for myself, thank you very much. I attend a college that is so anti-war that it has banned ROTC from campus. Please understand that I’m not looking for you to convert me or anything, but I enjoy the back-and-forth. I apologize for that, because I know it’s sadistic, but it’s the same reason why I come to the TP blog just for reading – to be challenged. It’s not an unreasonable source of information. Every now and then when I disagree with the commenters here, I’ll post a response. But, at the end of the day, all of our comments serve some purpose that’s probably not quite logical. We just do it, I guess.

To me, it’s irrelevant whether someone is a warmonger or not. After all, McCain initially resisted action on Bosnia. But I think he’s right on the war in Iraq, you guys know my view, and you can understand why I would support someone who has that view.

Comment by lylepink — February 3, 2008 @ 8:08 pm

McCain is a cheap whore, without a position on anything important. he’s a worse flip-flopper than Romney, who should be named Weathervane. the Repyblicans have lost any pretense of a moral center, and have been handed an impossible job: recovering credibility after two stolen elections and the rein of terror of Bozo and Deadeye Dick. The only person elected president that will have a worse time than Obama or Hillary is any Republican, who will be accused of vote-stealing, caging and all the other Rovian tactics, as well as blamed for the inevitable collapse of the USA on the world market. A win for republicans in November will spell the end of the GOP forever, but will cost us our country.