White House Civil Liberties Oversight Board Vacant As Bush Pushes For More Surveillance Powers
White House Civil Liberties Oversight Board Vacant As Bush Pushes For More Surveillance Powers
In 2004, the 9/11 Commission recommended the establishment of the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board “to ensure that concerns with respect to privacy and civil liberties are appropriately considered” by the President “in the implementation of all laws, regulations, and executive branch policies” related to national security. The board was also charged with determining “whether guidelines designed to appropriately protect privacy and civil liberties are being followed.”
But the panel has been shrouded in controversy since its implementation, beginning with the fact that “the board was not sworn in until March 2006, due to inaction on the part of the White House and Congress.”
Now, the board is officially vacant. The terms of the original members expired on Jan. 30, 2008, but “no nominations have been sent to the Senate Homeland Security Committee, which must approve appointees for the five vacancies“:
The Bush administration has failed to nominate any candidates to a newly empowered privacy and civil-liberties commission. This leaves the board without any members, even as Congress prepares to give the Bush administration extraordinary powers to wiretap without warrants inside the United States. [...]
Terms for the board’s original members expired on Jan. 30, but no nominations have been sent to the Senate Homeland Security Committee, which must approve appointees for the five vacancies.
Though the board “has no real powers of investigation,” the White House has sought to undermine its oversight capabilities throughout its existence. In May 2007, Lanny Davis — the sole Democrat on the board — resigned in protest after the Bush administration “made more than 200 revisions” to the panel’s first report to Congress.
At least one of those revisions was meant to give the White House political cover during the U.S. attorney scandal:
Chairman Carol E. Dinkins told board members March 29 that the White House counsel’s office had asked to delete the passage, fearing the revelation might inflame the ongoing political controversy over the administration’s dismissal of nine U.S. attorneys, according to documents and interviews with board members.
Before joining the board, Dinkins “served as a campaign treasurer for President Bush and was a partner at the same law firm as former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.”
As Bush pushes for more surveillance powers, the White House appears content to not have to deal with the accountability and oversight that a civil liberties board would provide.
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Bush's brain is vacant, too.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:08 pmOversight is for democracies and free countries, not Bush's USA.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:09 pmCivil liberties are quaint.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:09 pmWe must watch this gang of criminals very closely if we are to retain even a small portion of our liberties.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:15 pmJust a friendly reminder...
FISA may get voted on as early as today. Please call as many members of the Senate and Congress that you can to demand immunity be Stripped from the bill! And ultimitely that no Immunity be granted!
Thanks!
February 4th, 2008 at 2:19 pmApparently the Resider can't find one psycophant who would dare work in a Dept. designed to protect American's privacy and civil liberties much less five of 'em.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:19 pmOf course Bush 2.0 isn't going to nominate new people to fill those posts... some how they'll proclaim executive privilege and date the Congress to do something about it.
Mr. Purple
February 4th, 2008 at 2:19 pmThe bu$h pResidential seal should just have a large swastika in the center of it. He has transformed America into a fascist state.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:20 pmI remember laughing at a friend who said Bush would find a way to declare Marshal Law sometime in his last year as president. I'm not laughing at anything these days.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:20 pmKeeping it secret, that way no one will know just who the puke is spying on.
But we can guess.
1. Political Opponents
2. Journalists who are critical of him
3. Political Activists
4. Fellow Repukes, Blackmail
5. News Reporters
6. Editorial staff of Newspapers
7. Liberal Organizations
8. Scientists who don't tow the line
9. Quakers, no one can figure this one out so far
10. Protesters
11. YOU
This sociopathic sicko should sit the rest of his life in prison.
Buck Fush
February 4th, 2008 at 2:22 pmI don't know what's more depressing... that this was allowed to happen... or that the fact that it did happen isn't surprising...
February 4th, 2008 at 2:22 pmFBI wants palm prints, eye scans, tattoo mapping
http://www.cnn.com/ 2008/ TECH/ 02/ 04/ fbi.biometrics/ index.html
Kimberly Del Greco, the FBI’s Biometric Services section chief, said adding to the database is “important to protect the borders to keep the terrorists out, protect our citizens, our neighbors, our children so they can have good jobs, and have a safe country to live in.â€
Good jobs????? WTF?????
And who’s this in charge???
A lot will depend on how quickly technology is perfected, according to Thomas Bush, the FBI official in charge of the Clarksburg, West Virginia, facility where the FBI houses its current fingerprint database.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:26 pmLINK (again)
February 4th, 2008 at 2:26 pmGeorge Dumbya Shrub's "White House Civil Liberties Oversight Board" is oxymoronic.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:30 pmWhy are democrats so quick to give up our rights to a dictator who won't be in power much longer? Because I think they have something on Nancy (Cave-in) Pelosi and Harry (Cry Baby) Reid, that makes them fall like a house of cards in the wind. Why else would they give in to a President who has a 32 percent approval rating and is even hated by some republicans? We need to do more than call our Congressmen, we need to elect people who aren't afraid to stand up for the rights of the American people and that piece of paper they call the United States Constitution. As for the strict constructionist judges the republicans are always talking about, they will only rubberstamp this bullshlt when it comes to them. Democracy and freedom were lost on 9-11, never to be regained. We are headed into a police state and the sad part about it is: All we had to fear was, our own government.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:35 pmThere should be a complete removal of all civil liberties for the current occupants of the White House.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:37 pmgo back to sodomizing your children bigmouth. You've been cutting and running all day. No substance, just crap.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:37 pmCivil liberties can be easily overseen by Congress, and the Democrats there have been doing a wonderful job of it, right?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 2:28 pm
Enforcing the Law and the Constitution is the job of the DOJ. But we have had 3 Chimpy humping AGs in a row, O. Chimpy-Humper
February 4th, 2008 at 2:39 pmMore evidence that Dumbya is a retarded fascist:
Bush budget sees bigger deficits as economy slows
Reuters - 2 hours, 53 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush forecast the U.S. budget deficit would more than double in 2008 and blamed a weakening economy as he unveiled a $3.1 trillion spending plan for fiscal 2009 on Monday that would nearly freeze domestic programs.
These fcuking idiots are steering us direclty into a Depression. More money for war buddies, more debt, and reduction in domestic services.
Whoever voted for these bastards should hang themselves.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:42 pmCivil liberties can be easily overseen by Congress, and the Democrats there have been doing a wonderful job of it, right?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 2:28 pm
They are guilty of negligence and do not receive any leeway or excuse-making from those here.
The bands of criminals that you idolize are guilty of treason and unlawful/illegal activity , and you apologize and flat out lie for them.
Who are you trying to be critical of ?
February 4th, 2008 at 2:43 pmIf ANYONE's e-mails, telephone calls, and other correspondence needs to be under surveillance, it is each and every member of the Bush administration. BushCo is focused on the threat from without (which is usually exaggerated) while perpetrating a threat from within (which is routinely minimized).
February 4th, 2008 at 2:44 pmBut history will vindicate him...to his spot in hell.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:44 pmOf course you are wrong. I’m all substance.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 2:42 pm
It's the chemical make-up of those substances that is of major concern.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:45 pm“go back to sodomizing your children bigmouth. You’ve been cutting and running all day. No substance, just crap.
Comment by Bobwurst — February 4, 2008 @ 2:37 pmâ€
Of course you are wrong. I’m all substance. You are just ignorant.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 2:42 pm
February 4th, 2008 at 2:45 pmYeah , unfortunately for you , the "substance" you're fully composed of is 99.99% fecal matter.............
Which is exactly where he wants to be.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:45 pmNo, they should vote that way again!
By all means then I suggest you go right ahead an "write-in" your cowardly hero this November.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:45 pmAs the White House continues to steal and commit crimes openly the American people sit back and watch. Now comes the blame game, the Media will blame Congress Dems, White House will blame Bill Clinton and the American people will blame the Democrat Party. I noticed with all that's gone wrong and the mess this Country is in no one blames Bush/Cheney. Nothing can be done without the approval of the American people, as we see Bush is willing to give some Americans a rebate check, he has given Iraq/Afghanistan and friends 3 trillion dollars as he cuts all US programs. 3 Trillion spent in one year with a National Debt already 9 Trillion dollars. Henry Paulson is stealing as much and as fast as he can from the US Treasury for his personal business before the Bush term is over. Go Henry!! Oil companies are getting much bigger quarterly profits too. Let the White House Crime Wave continue until the end or when McCain get's in office all the rats will be back in charge. We'll continue to bomb countries and until the United States of America is broke and the Media, White House will report it was Bill Clinton that did it.
If Obama gets in he will allow Kerry to finial be President and of course Ted Kennedy will be allowed to do what he has never been before a policy makers and try to build a legacy bigger then his brother John F. Kennedy. Yes it's a smart move for those Dems who couldn't get the US vote as a Leader just use the new kid who doesn't know. I must admit I like the way Obama says he didn't vote for the war he voted against it. I guess with his Star Power lying just comes national as he wasn't a Senator at the time of the vote. Yes Senator Obama also forgot to tell the voters how he changed a bill to support Bush/Cheney even knowing it would hurt his State of Illinois. But it's better to lie and let Opah spin for him. Well I say good move Senator Kerry as you found away to become President after all. Senator Obama will get us out of this mess with just those great speeches and nothing else. We'll starve to death but we'll have that great speech to listen to on our way out.
Let's hope the Rezo case doesn't bring out the truth that Obama was making deals for this big house that Rezo got for him. So far trust isn't Senator Obama's strongest suit but words are.
It would be interesting to see Senator Obama as the Dems candidate for President just as Rezo announces he made deals with Obama. Looks like McCain might get in office after all. What voter would vote for a President who lied and committed crimes before he took the office of President. That's what Obama means by change. Same criminal activity but just a new President.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:46 pmI’m all substance.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 2:42 pm
But that "substance" is what most people usually flush.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:46 pmFour more wars, right Bigfoot?
February 4th, 2008 at 2:47 pmI’m all substance. You are just ignorant.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 2:42 pm
Does anyone else get the impression that O'BigFool models his debating style on his role models from the WWF?
February 4th, 2008 at 2:48 pmNo, they should vote that way again!
Comment by O. Bigfoot
This sociopathic sicko should sit the rest of his life in prison.
Buck Fush
February 4th, 2008 at 2:49 pm“Whoever voted for these bastards should hang themselves.
Comment by DieNowForPeace — February 4, 2008 @ 2:42 pmâ€
No, they should vote that way again!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 2:43 pm
February 4th, 2008 at 2:52 pmBlurts out the dummy that voted for the worst president in US history twice and probably did the same for the previous worst president in US history in Ronnie Retard ; guess there are those that do not learn from history and are doomed to repeat the same stupid actions .......
Republicans want a military presence in every country and to counter the backlash they want to spy on every American.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:53 pmBush and his cronies have shown nothing but contempt for the constitution and liberties of the United States. He openly seers at our political culture, freedoms and way of life. He demeans everything for which the United States stands. The loud proclamation in support of freedom and liberty while taking every action that he can in order to advance his own power and destroy our liberty is exemplified by his conduct with respect to this board.
What can we do to save our nation, our liberty and our way of life? We should have learned from Watergate that malefactors attacking our constitution and democracy must be held to account, publicly humiliated and ground into the dirt as the scum that they are.
Bush is a criminal. He is scum and he deserves to be tried and put to death for his crimes.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:56 pm“Four more wars, right Bigfoot?
Comment by McWars — February 4, 2008 @ 2:47 pmâ€
If that’s what it takes.
The United States must remain the bastion of freedom.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 2:57 pm
February 4th, 2008 at 2:58 pmYou are not the "bastion of freedom" when you illegally and treacherously spy on your own citizens , dimwit.........
Yes, O. Bigfoot. We must destroy our freedoms in order to save them and remain the bastion of freedom...
February 4th, 2008 at 2:59 pm“Bush is a criminal. He is scum and he deserves to be tried and put to death for his crimes.
Comment by JMOHR — February 4, 2008 @ 2:56 pmâ€
If only your opinion meant somthing, eh?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 2:59 pm
Means a lot more than the nonsense your imbecilic hero spews ; his State of the Union address was the height of ignorance and stupidity.
He should have dropped his drawers and just farted all night ; it would have made more sense than he did anyway and would have smelled about the same.......
February 4th, 2008 at 3:01 pmBe a good keyboard commando Bigfoot and transfer your computer into a room with a/c. You've sacrificed enough of your comfort for those pesky troops. /sarc
February 4th, 2008 at 3:02 pmIn my experience, the people who constantly belittle others and trumpet themselves generally turn out to be those with low self-esteem and major inadequacies that they seek to disguise with their bravado and bluster. Usually, the faults they project onto others are the ones they most fear and despise in themselves.
just sayin' BigFool...
February 4th, 2008 at 3:03 pmThe United States must remain the bastion of freedom.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 2:57 pm
Rome tried to remain the bastion of civilization using by heavy handed policies. How'd that turn out for them?
February 4th, 2008 at 3:04 pmThe United States IS the bastion of freedom.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:03 pm
Mmmm... red, white, and blue kool aid. How's the Overzealous Patriotic Punch taste today?
February 4th, 2008 at 3:06 pmThis is what happens when there is poor weather in New Mexico, apparently. Once bigfoot is snowed in and starts with the substance abuse, he's got nothing to do but post his vacuous comments endlessly.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:06 pmCivil liberties can be easily overseen by Congress, and the Democrats there have been doing a wonderful job of it, right?
Comment by O. Bigfoot
OBigFootInMouth is too stupid to see the slippery slope that Bush and his ilk have taken this country on. I wonder how he and his other fool friends are going to feel when the new Democratic President uses the powers bestowed upon him/her by Bush to spy on the Republicans? I'm betting that he and his friends will be squealing like a stuck pig if the Democrats abuse this kind of power the way that Bush has abused his power.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:06 pm““Four more wars, right Bigfoot?
Comment by McWars — February 4, 2008 @ 2:47 pmâ€
If that’s what it takes.
The United States must remain the bastion of freedom.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 2:57 pm
You are not the “bastion of freedom†when you illegally and treacherously spy on your own citizens , dimwit………
Comment by MCMetal — February 4, 2008 @ 2:58 pmâ€
Sorry, but you’ve obviously been listening to far too much metal.
The United States IS the bastion of freedom.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:03 pm
1st off , there is no such thing as listening to "too much metal".
2nd Believe anything the imbecile in the Oval Office and/or his equally incompetent and dishonest administration spew is more relevant and spot-on than Black Sabbath's "War Pigs" ?
February 4th, 2008 at 3:06 pmRead the lyrics ; it's as if they were describing this horseshit administration , 40 years prior to their godawful reign...........
O. Bigfoot is apparently a goddamned idiot.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:06 pmO. Bigfoot, how do you know that the government isn't spying on you? Just because this administration is spying on its political opponents and yours, doesn't mean that we will remain a bastion of freedom. Freedom should be for everyone, not just the people who agree with your political views.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:06 pm"You have more freedoms since President Bush become President than you did during the previous administration."
Name one.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:07 pmYou have more freedoms since President Bush become President than you did during the previous administration.
Comment by O. Bigfool
Man you are just the stupidest POS on the planet, well, at least equal to Frank Moron
Buck Fush
February 4th, 2008 at 3:08 pm“Yes, O. Bigfoot. We must destroy our freedoms in order to save them and remain the bastion of freedom…
Comment by ucsbclassics53 — February 4, 2008 @ 2:59 pmâ€
You have more freedoms since President Bush become President than you did during the previous administration.
If you were smart, you would realize that. Since you aren’t, you don’t.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:05 pm
The Patriot Act and illegally spying on fellow Americans by this garbage administration has given Americans "more freedoms" ?
How ?
By limiting them ?
Are you retarded ?
February 4th, 2008 at 3:08 pmIf only Bush's bastardization of freedom, i.e. "free dumb", was truly free. It has cost us despicable numbers of American deaths, gross amounts of dollars, untold loss of world-wide respect, and domestic insecurity.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:08 pmOn a serious note, Bigfoot, if a country sacrifices its freedoms to fight terrorists, then that country is caving to the terrorists. In that case, even if/when the troops blow their heads off, the terrorists get to die with the assurance of having reduced our freedoms.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:08 pmwhy respong to the traitor bigfoot? he knows nothing of freedom, and has no facts to back his treasonous opinions. don't bother, he's just playing his fool's game. flag him instead, get him banned.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:09 pmComment by Marcus Aurelius
Apparently? Seems as goddamned obvious as the nose on your face!
February 4th, 2008 at 3:09 pmU.Yeti has done one thing well today, earned his per-reply-post stipend from the RNC.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:10 pmYou have more freedoms since President Bush become President than you did during the previous administration.
If you were smart, you would realize that. Since you aren’t, you don’t.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
OBigFootInMouth thinks we are not smart because we don't realize that we have more freedoms now than we did since Bush stole the presidency. I guess since he is so smart he can tell us what those freedoms are because I can't figure out what they would be. I don't address this fool tool directly but perhaps he will read this and enlighten us by telling us what freedoms we have now that we didn't have before King George. I'm not holding my breath, though because this fool tool troll rarely backs up what he says with anything other than straw-man rhetoric.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:12 pmMan you are just the stupidest POS on the planet, well, at least equal to Frank Moron
Comment by Buckie Boy — February 4, 2008 @ 3:08 pm
Frank at least admits to being a fascist, while bigfoot pretends to be a proud American while preaching fascism.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:12 pmGiven time, I could find more.
Viva Bush!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:10 pm
both lies.
flag him, get rid of thbe liar.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:12 pmAnd the right to own high-capacity rifle and pistol magazines.
LOL What a stupid person this is.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:13 pmDo I remember a certain troll mentioning that it keeps several firearms under the bed? Where children, grandchildren could easily find them>?
There's some real free dumb...
February 4th, 2008 at 3:14 pmComment by Lefty Patriot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
If trolls can't engage in a logic debate with facts and respect, I recommend our first step be to talk ABOUT them and their ideology rather than TO them and not flag them for the banning track. We can use their posts as a taking off point, without giving them direct attention they crave. I've seen it drive away some of the worst trolls to present themselves at TP.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:15 pmGee I wonder if I, being liberal, could go to a Bush town hall meeting and ask him a question...... NOPE NOT ALLOWED. GUESS I'M NOT SO DAMN FREE!
February 4th, 2008 at 3:15 pm““You have more freedoms since President Bush become President than you did during the previous administration.â€
Name one.
Comment by bobcat_grad — February 4, 2008 @ 3:07 pmâ€
I’ll do more than that: I’ll name two.
The right to keep more of your own hard-earned income.
And the right to own high-capacity rifle and pistol magazines.
Couple that with the fact you have lost absolutely NO freedoms under President Bush, and you have a net gain of two.
Given time, I could find more.
Viva Bush!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:10 pm
Do you , and especially the colossal imbecile in the Oval Office , have the right to fob off the most egregious and astronomical deficit on future generations of Americans because of your idiocy and fear ?
And the right to own your own high-capacity rifle and pistol magazines is being made a necessity because of Shrub's asinine and illegal Iraq invasion and occupation ; he's made this country more hated around the world and depleted our military without any positive(s) garnered from his stupid actions/decisions......Thus FORCING EVERYONE to arm themself and be vigilant.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:15 pmI’ve seen it drive away some of the worst trolls to present themselves at TP.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian — February 4, 2008 @ 3:15 pm
flag him anyway. he doesn't deserve his citizenship.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:16 pmIf that’s what it takes.
The United States must remain the bastion of freedom.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 2:57 pm
Iraq is not the key to our continued freedom. Bush took a sovereign nation, invaded it, and now 1M+ Iraqis are dead, all while Sadaam was contained and had nothing to do with 9/11. And you don't think the agression, especially the children remaining in that country, scarred -- mentally and/or physically -- with lost family members wouldn't grow up to come back and haunt the United States? I'm sorry, but you meant "bastard of freedom."
February 4th, 2008 at 3:16 pm"I’ll do more than that: I’ll name two.
The right to keep more of your own hard-earned income."
Except that state taxes have risen to offset the fallen federal tax rates. A shell game.
"And the right to own high-capacity rifle and pistol magazines."
And high-powered sniper rifles, which can be used against police, while trying to thwart crimes.
Ask them how great it's been under Floppy.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:16 pmThe right to keep more of your own hard-earned income.
And the right to own high-capacity rifle and pistol magazines.
Couple that with the fact you have lost absolutely NO freedoms under President Bush, and you have a net gain of two.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Fool Tool OBigFootInMouth thinks that he is keeping more of his hard-earned income. Unless he is in a very high income tax bracket (which is extremely doubtful), he is not keeping more money since Bush took office because the fact that he hasn't had a raise in 5 years, the cost of gasoline and the increases in fees he pays have more than eaten up the minuscule tax cut he was given when the very wealthy got the whole enchilada.
And then he thinks that he couldn't own a gun that is used for nothing other than killing human beings before King George stole the presidency. I don't know what rock he crawled out from under when Bush took the throne, but it was possible for him to own these kinds of guns before Bush came to town (unfortunately). I wonder why OBigFootInMouth wants to own guns that are useful for nothing other than killing his fellow human beings. But, then, that's an easy one. He wants to be able to blow away the starving person who might raid his garden to feed his children. To him that's the "American way".
February 4th, 2008 at 3:16 pmDo I remember a certain troll mentioning that it keeps several firearms under the bed? Where children, grandchildren could easily find them>?
There’s some real free dumb…
Comment by RUCerious
Isn't Darwinism great?!
February 4th, 2008 at 3:17 pmGiven time, I could find more.
Viva Bush!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:10 pm
Since you initially made this ridiculous assertion weeks ago, you've had ample opportunity to find "more." Your inability to hit what you shoot doesn't really translate into "freedoms" as normal people think of them, bigfoot.
Greed and selfishness also tend to be considered "sins" rather than "freedoms", but if you were truly a Christian as you claim you'd already know that.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:17 pmThe Patriot Act restricts our 4th Amendment rights and we have been stripped of Habeas Corpus. How in the hell is that giving us more freedom than we had before Bush took office?
February 4th, 2008 at 3:17 pmComment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:05 pm
If you were smart, you would realize that telecoms aiding the government's urge to monitor us 24/7 means that well our freedoms are diminishing. What is that too hard a concept for you? You know a troll has NOTHING, when he resorts to a personal attack.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:19 pmand since you aren't you just don't.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:20 pm"Viva Bush!"
Comment by O. Bigfoot —
Hasta la vista, conservative credibility! And political viability!
February 4th, 2008 at 3:21 pm"Some say" that freedom exists if people are not in jail. Wouldn't this mean that there were an awful lot of free people in Iraq around 2003? So, why did the U.S. militarily depose Hussein to "bring freedom to Iraq" when they were already free?
February 4th, 2008 at 3:22 pmBigfoot: Your posts are really stupid. Really stupid. They're not even typical, intellectually dishonest troll posts - they're just plain goofy. I don't know why you continue, but any reason you might have couldn't be too good.
Dude, you look like a dumb-ass.
Just thought you should know the truth.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:23 pmlie 1-Bush didn't give bigmouth the right to bear arms.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:23 pmlie 2-Bush's tax cuts didn't benefit anyone in bigmouth's tax bracket.
it's okay, i'm sure that he thinks tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans is freedom, because he probably buys the taxes = slavery bullshit.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:23 pmThe right to keep more of your own hard-earned income.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:10 pm
Your share of the national debt is over $30,000.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:24 pmWell, you can bet the "conservatives" will be howling to get these vacancies filled - right after they lose the next election.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:25 pm“Given time, I could find more.
Viva Bush!
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Bigmouth couldn't find his ass with his hands cuffed behind his back.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:25 pmComment by barfly — February 4, 2008 @ 3:16 pm
You raise a great point. Low taxes to Repubs are OK as long as the cuts are applied to reduce federal power. Powering States' rights in the form of higher taxes is one more way to poke fun at lower income people.
Both ways, any tax cuts MUST benefit the rich, and they must be immune from any tax increases.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:26 pm“Given time, I could find more.
Viva Bush!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:10 pm
both lies.
flag him, get rid of thbe liar.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:12 pmâ€
And you call yourself an educator? If you don’t know these simple truths, you are completely ignorant of the law.
Back behind the counter! Get to work! 7-11 ain’t paying you to discuss politics and social theory!
And change your friggin sheets, will ya? Your mom says your rooms stinks.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:20 pm
You , an unabashed cheerleader of an unintelligible imbecile , are attempting to critique someone and to claim they do not understand the "law" ?
Seeing as how you're a "legal scholar" , tell us all : Why is the Chimpy Administration so steadfast and adamant about retroactive immunity from prosecution for all telecom companies that worked with them ?
February 4th, 2008 at 3:26 pmLink
US National Debt Clock
February 4th, 2008 at 3:27 pmyes, to thee, O. Bigfoot, fell the greatest oppression anyone in this country's ever faced, for the government enslaves you and takes away your income. Never mind the people who were arrested for protesting at Bush's rallies, never mind the people who were corralled into free-speech zones, never mind the journalists who might have been wiretapped, etc.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:27 pmLook, stop feeding Bigfoot. We all know that he is the product of a long line of incestuous breeding. It is not his fault that he is ignorant and easily confused by the difference between freedom and oppression. Hopefully, he will live a very short life. He is one individual that would make me change my mind on euthanasia.
Now Bigfoot, my opinion does matter just as every other citizen's opinion matters in a democracy. Bush has committed crimes, he has violated international law and he does deserve to suffer consequences. People like you, on the other hand, are no different than the ignorant rabble that always follows a Stalin, Hitler or Saddam.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:28 pmHere in New Mexico, state income tax has decreased, and sales taxes no longer apply to food purchases. Both net benefits to the average citizen.
Cause there's more folks living in trailers. You live in one hell of a big welfare state there, dipshit (SEE Native Americans).
February 4th, 2008 at 3:29 pmHey MCMetal: Please stop posting in bold.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:29 pmIn the 5 years I have lived in New Mexico, my average state income tax refund has increased by about $200.
Almost a 100% percent increase. Nice!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:26 pm
Wow ........$200 !?!?!?!?!?
That might pay for 1 night out for dinner for me ........LOL
Shut up , nitwit.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:30 pm"Here in New Mexico, state income tax has decreased, and sales taxes no longer apply to food purchases. Both net benefits to the average citizen."
Having been to New Mexico a number of times, I think I'll stay in Cali. You can have it.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:30 pmHey MCMetal: Please stop posting in bold.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — February 4, 2008 @ 3:29 pm
Hey Marcus
NO
February 4th, 2008 at 3:30 pmI guess if you mean that freedom equals shutting your big mouth and toeing the party line, I guess our freedoms have increased after all...
February 4th, 2008 at 3:30 pmJMOHR ~ Yeah, we should ignore the ravings of lunatic trolls and watch them explode, then go away with tails between legs...
February 4th, 2008 at 3:31 pmAe the looney mumblings of O'BigFool representative of the Troll community at large?
February 4th, 2008 at 3:31 pmIn the 5 years I have lived in New Mexico, my average state income tax refund has increased by about $200.
Almost a 100% percent increase. Nice!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:26 pm
A $100 tax refund? Wow, you really are a big earner. My kid gets more than that back and she's a part time cocktail waitress.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:32 pmOur "freedoms" now consist of watching an unintelligible and dishonest imbecile who has a grasp of all the nuances and inner workings of a hot dog and nothing else , trying to tell every American what is "necessary" to combat a group of people he has no understanding whatsoever of..........Boy , that's real believable.
Gonna' ask Cheney to give Miss Manners some tips on proper behavior next ?
February 4th, 2008 at 3:35 pmBigfoot, The maimed and murdered children of Iraq never agreed to die so that hate radio and college republicans would have 20 years worth of war stories.
Why cant you see the truth that exists in our positions?
February 4th, 2008 at 3:36 pmYou would notice the tax reductions on your end, if you new simple math.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:31
nothing but lies.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:36 pmIn the 5 years I have lived in New Mexico, my average state income tax refund has increased by about $200.
Gee, and New Mexico has less than 1% of the population of the US and people aren't moving there in droves to take advantage of this phenomenal tax refund? WOW 99% of the population are missing out.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:37 pm"if you new simple math."
you'd make some sense, if you "new" simple English.
idiot lies and can't spell.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:38 pmHuh. Do you know the difference between the “$†symbol, and the “%†symbol?
One means dollars, the other means percent.
I’ll let you guess which means which.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
And a 100% increase means you formerly got $100, moron. Even $200 is chicken feed. I guess we can better judge now your claims of success.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:38 pm““Here in New Mexico, state income tax has decreased, and sales taxes no longer apply to food purchases. Both net benefits to the average citizen.â€
Having been to New Mexico a number of times, I think I’ll stay in Cali. You can have it.
Comment by barfly — February 4, 2008 @ 3:30 pmâ€
I’d rather you stay in California too. Here in New Mexico, you would have to work for a living.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:34 pm
You call posting here , every day and all hours of any given day , "work" ?
I wouldn't hire you to hand out cotton candy in a friggin' carnival........
February 4th, 2008 at 3:38 pmIn the 5 years I have lived in New Mexico, my average state income tax refund has increased by about $200.
That's $40 per year!!!!!! You MUST be a favorite of Bush's to get THAT kind of deal.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:39 pmI wouldn’t hire you to hand out cotton candy in a friggin’ carnival……..
Comment by MCMetal — February 4, 2008 @ 3:38 pm
Agreed, too many small children about...
February 4th, 2008 at 3:41 pm“Bigfoot, The maimed and murdered children of Iraq never agreed to die so that hate radio and college republicans would have 20 years worth of war stories.
Why cant you see the truth that exists in our positions?
Comment by McWars — February 4, 2008 @ 3:36 pmâ€
Because there IS no truth in your positions. You are liberals.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:38 pm
February 4th, 2008 at 3:44 pmYeah , we all know that "truth" has only to do with WMD's in Iraq , Saddam/Iraq's connection(s) to Bin Laden/al Qeada/9/11 , denial and removal of scientific data over global warming , the on-going fraud of the garbage GOP's "Trickle Down Your Leg" economic theory , and the GOP's never-ending hypocrisy in regards to homosexuality and "family values"............
O. Bigfoot IS the Talking Stain.
More Wisdom from O. Bigfoot
February 4th, 2008 at 3:45 pmBut in the meantime, please, stay where you are. I like New Mexico the way it is.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
Oh, sorry, didn't mean for you to think I was moving there. Where did you get that idea? I was trying to show you what a fool you are for thinking that Bush has somehow given you more money than you used to have. Oh well, you are stupid so I shouldn't expect you to understand.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:45 pmBecause there IS no truth in your positions. You are liberals.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:38 pm
Suit yourself, but the truth will be undeniable once the invoice for this invasion arrives in your mailbox. You break it, you buy it.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:45 pmYou could always live in Nevada, where there is no state income tax.
But in the meantime, please, stay where you are. I like New Mexico the way it is.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
Who gives a damn what you like , Chimpy Adoration Brigade minority ?
Your opinion means even less than those whose opinion here you claim to be meaningless..............
February 4th, 2008 at 3:46 pmOnly a troll would rejoice over its nation being trillions of effing dollars in debt and it gets a big tax refund...
February 4th, 2008 at 3:48 pmMake sure you don't pay your share of the nation's monetary burden, you effing sleaze.
My tax refund has increased by over $200. And that’s nearly a 100% increase.
LOL so you used to get $100 and now you get $200!!!!! That's $20 per year over 5 years. Your actually stupider that I thought!
February 4th, 2008 at 3:48 pmConsidering what New Mexico requires me to withhold, which for a family my size is pretty minimal, I’m VERRRRY happy.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:45 pm
February 4th, 2008 at 3:49 pmWhich cements the validity of the statement : "Ignorance is bliss"
You, like most liberals, have the impression that your opinion matters to me. It doesn’t.
LOL What are you doing here then? Do you think "most liberals" want your opinion? You are more than stupid - you are a loser - albeit with $20 extra dollars this year. LOL
February 4th, 2008 at 3:51 pmI know what my tax decrease was, and I’m very happy for it.
Make the Bush tax cuts permanent!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:48 pm
nothing but lies, more lies.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:53 pmMCMetal: That's cool. I'll just skip your posts.
Sheesh.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:53 pmSorry you still don’t get it. I suggest remedial math.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
nothing but lies.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:54 pmMy tax refund has increased by over $200. And that’s nearly a 100%
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:45 pm
Refund? I usually pay a few thousand more each April.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:54 pmI thought you said you make alot in your meat beating business.
“Only a troll would rejoice over its nation being trillions of effing dollars in debt and it gets a big tax refund…
Make sure you don’t pay your share of the nation’s monetary burden, you effing sleaze.
Comment by RUCerious — February 4, 2008 @ 3:48 pmâ€
And you feel free to send your Federal tax refund back to the IRS.
You wouldn’t want to be a hyprocrite, now would you?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:50 pm
Umm , you're the one being hypocritical you mental furball ; you're the stupid dipshit that believes totally in your "dear leader's" "noble cause".
You and the rest of your imbecilic ilk should be totally responsible for funding it..............Not those who are against it and have been against it from the beginning
February 4th, 2008 at 3:54 pmComment by Nature Rules — February 4, 2008 @ 3:48 pm
Good for bigfoot.
$200 instead of $100? That'll help pay for, say, 1/10 of the increase of the cost of oil. Doesn't include other various cost increases.
I thought we were living in 2008.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:55 pmThe United States IS the bastion of freedom.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:03 pm
Not quite. Here is a list of the countries with freedom of the press, considered a marker for "freedom" from top to the USA.
http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=19388
Finland 0,50
- Iceland 0,50
- Ireland 0,50
- Netherlands 0,50
5 Czech Republic 0,75
6 Estonia 2,00
- Norway 2,00
8 Slovakia 2,50
- Switzerland 2,50
10 Hungary 3,00
- Latvia 3,00
- Portugal 3,00
- Slovenia 3,00
14 Belgium 4,00
- Sweden 4,00
16 Austria 4,50
- Bolivia 4,50
- Canada 4,50
19 Bosnia and Herzegovina 5,00
- Denmark 5,00
- New-Zealand 5,00
- Trinidad and Tobago 5,00
23 Benin 5,50
- Germany 5,50
- Jamaica 5,50
26 Namibia 6,00
27 Lithuania 6,50
- United Kingdom 6,50
29 Costa Rica 6,67
30 Cyprus 7,50
31 South Korea 7,75
32 Greece 8,00
- Mauritius 8,00
34 Ghana 8,50
35 Australia 9,00
- Bulgaria 9,00
- France 9,00
- Mali 9,00
39 Panama 9,50
40 Italy 9,90
41 El Salvador 10,00
- Spain 10,00
43 Taiwan 10,50
44 South Africa 11,25
45 Cape Verde 11,50
- Macedonia 11,50
- Mozambique 11,50
- Serbia and Montenegro 11,50
49 Chile 11,63
50 Israel 12,00
51 Japan 12,50
52 Dominican Republic 12,75
53 Botswana 13,00
- Croatia 13,00
- Tonga 13,00
- United States of America 13,00
What the US has become #1 at is Debt, Surveillance of it's citizens (tied with England), War Making, and Bad culture.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:56 pmMCMetal: That’s cool. I’ll just skip your posts.
Sheesh.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — February 4, 2008 @ 3:53 pm
I only read yours because I saw my name in it.....
I never pay attention to yours anyway........Sheesh.
Like I'm going to be "hurt" ?
Get over yourself.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:56 pmIn the 5 years I have lived in New Mexico, my average state income tax refund has increased by about $200.
O. Bigfoot, did you MEAN to say an increase of $200 per year? Or $200 in the 5 years you have lived in New Mexico?
It's ok OB. For a stupid person you are trying.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:57 pmIf trolls can’t engage in a logic debate with facts and respect, I recommend our first step be to talk ABOUT them and their ideology rather than TO them and not flag them for the banning track. We can use their posts as a taking off point, without giving them direct attention they crave. I’ve seen it drive away some of the worst trolls to present themselves at TP.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian
I recommend doing both. Perhaps one day TP will wake up and get rid of the excrement that oozes in here. But I do recommend that people talk about them and not to them. Talking to them validates them. Talking about them invalidates them.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:57 pmI am here to show you the error of your ways, of course! And to have fun doing so.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:53 pm
You have "fun" being mocked and coming across as a complete and utter lying moron ?
Are you a masochist ?
February 4th, 2008 at 3:58 pmRefund? I usually pay a few thousand more each April.
I thought you said you make alot in your meat beating business.
Comment by Wayne — February 4, 2008 @ 3:54 pm
I thought hard working people catch a break under GOP rule.
Why can't Wayne catch a break?
February 4th, 2008 at 3:59 pm“My tax refund has increased by over $200. And that’s nearly a 100%
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:45 pm
Refund? I usually pay a few thousand more each April.
I thought you said you make alot in your meat beating business.
Comment by Wayne — February 4, 2008 @ 3:54 pmâ€
Sorry.
I guess my accountant is just better than yours.
And I never said I was gettin’ rich. That’s never been my goal. Making a living on my own terms is my goal. And I am very happy in that regard.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:56 pm
You being a GOP suckhole stooge , I'd be inclined to believe your accountant is more crooked than Wayne's , not "better".
And as for your "happiness" , "simple pleasures for simple minds" looks pretty spot-on there........
February 4th, 2008 at 4:00 pmComment by Brain From Planet Arous — February 4, 2008 @ 3:56 pm
Good posting. Say, are you the same one who once posted defense spending figures of the US in comparison to other countries? If so, I'd deeply appreciate it if you posted them again.
February 4th, 2008 at 4:02 pmBrain, you really shouldn't torment the trolls by producing, y'know... facts and stuff.
I mean, charts and statistics that demonstrate the exact opposite of what they're insisting really doesn't help advance the cause of freedom, now, does it?
February 4th, 2008 at 4:02 pmMy tax refund has increased by over $200. And that’s nearly a 100%
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 3:45 pm
OBigFootInMouth is excited because he gets back $200 more a year thanks to King George. He totally misses the point that he is paying $500 more a year for his gasoline and that all the fees he pays locally and statewide have doubled. And then there is the fact that he hasn't had a raise in 5 years. All in all, he's probably $2,000-$3,000 poorer now than he was when King Bush stole the white house.
February 4th, 2008 at 4:03 pmBigFoot: we just have too much fooling around with you. You are just so stupid. Please, stop the inbreeding with your generation. It is detrimental to national security to have such mental deviates running about the country.
I am sorry, your refund went up an average of $40 a year for the past five years resulting in an overall refund in the fifth year that was $400 (your original $200 refund now is a $400 refund five years later.)
Now, let us tear it and you apart for the imbecile that you are:
1. You say you have more freedom because your state tax refund increased from $200 to $400. Wow, that is why we revolted from England, our taxes were to high. (Ok, idiot boy - we did not revolt over paying taxes but rather paying taxes without having seated representatives in Parliament - you know - taxation without representation.
2. You are nothing more than a whore - more freedom to you constitutes $200 in your pocket. The right of your home, your possessions and your person to be safe from unreasonable searches and seizures means nothing. Habaeus corpus means nothing. Human rights under international law means nothing.
3. Your state income tax refund went. Wow, what a wonderful accomplishment by George Bush. I never knew that he controlled your state taxes - FOOL.
4. Let us see, Inbred believes there is more freedom because it is allegedly easier to get his favorite kind of fire arm. Yes, your domestic phone calls, credit and medical records and other private information about you may be taken by the government without reason - but you are more free. You will soon have to carry a national ID card with biometric date which will allow the government to track you like vermin (which you do happen to be) through all of your travels, but you are more free.
I am sorry I so much contempt for BigFoot, but I literally have nothing but contempt for his kind. You know, those who take pride in their narrow minded views, who loudly proclaim their ignorance, and who seek a one party benevolent dictatorship (benevolent since it comports with their view of the world) without realizing that they desire the very antithesis of what this country stands for.
February 4th, 2008 at 4:07 pmNice attempt to duck and cover. Where do you live that you only get your tax refund once every 5 years?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 4:04 pm
WTF? Go ahead, be happy with $200 over 5 years.
February 4th, 2008 at 4:10 pm#153 - "That adds up to well over a $1000 tax reduction over any given year compared to when Bush took office.
I’ll take it!" Comment by O. Bigfoot — February 4, 2008 @ 4:09 pm
What will you do when the Chinese foreclose on the debt, and the US goes bankrupt?
Fiscally, that is. It went morally bankrupt in the 80's when Pres. Reagan ran up the national debt faster than a crack-whore with no-limit credit card! The down side is that it's our children that will have to pay for the "borrow and squander" policies of the Republicans.
February 4th, 2008 at 4:12 pmBye Bye O. Bigfoot.
February 4th, 2008 at 4:14 pmComment by Brain From Planet Arous — February 4, 2008 @ 3:56 pm
His idea of freedom of the press is one that has the freedom to be invited to White House Correspondents Dinners as long as they swallow White House propaganda without question.
February 4th, 2008 at 4:14 pmBye Bye O. Bigfoot.
Comment by Nature Rules — February 4, 2008 @ 4:14 pm
Whoopsie. List of comments just got dramatically shorter. B'bye!
February 4th, 2008 at 4:16 pmGood posting. Say, are you the same one who once posted defense spending figures of the US in comparison to other countries? If so, I’d deeply appreciate it if you posted them again.
Comment by McWars — February 4, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
I did, and I think this is the one I posted:
http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/ArmsTrade/Spending.asp
Brain, you really shouldn’t torment the trolls by producing, y’know… facts and stuff.
I mean, charts and statistics that demonstrate the exact opposite of what they’re insisting really doesn’t help advance the cause of freedom, now, does it?
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 4, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
I know, Ralph, I must hate Freedom®. But, tormenting trolls is a side effect. Remember the Firesign Theatre line from "Everything You know is Wrong?", and trolls take notice.
"Your Brain is No Longer The Boss"
February 4th, 2008 at 4:32 pmThe USA is tied with.....Tongo, Croatia, and Botswana for 53rd place.
Cue trolls...............1,2,3
"Love or Leave it.........boy-ah (In my best redneck accent)"
His idea of freedom of the press is one that has the freedom to be invited to White House Correspondents Dinners as long as they swallow White House propaganda without question.
Comment by ucsbclassics53 — February 4, 2008 @ 4:14 pm
Who would want to eat that rot-gut elite garbage they serve at Wipe House Dinners?
February 4th, 2008 at 4:38 pmFootie needs to join the military like I did. Then he'll get to play with all kinds of cool firepower. M-60's, L.A.W.'s, 203's,ect. Of course he would probably blow himself up,though, by placing a claymore backwards, not being able to read what it says on the front side of it. "FRONT TOWARDS ENEMY" ! ;)
February 4th, 2008 at 4:45 pmJust for Poops and Giggles:
The Firesign Theater - US Government UFO Warning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPrmD2g3KNc&feature=related
February 4th, 2008 at 4:54 pmInvestigative Journalism is DEAD in this country and even SERIOUS Journalism is DEAD , because when the MSM doesn't report FISA and the encroachment of the government on our Civil Liberties , they not only don't care they are conscientiously aiding the start of a " Surveillance Society " and CNN & others see no importance in raising the issue of The FBI doing MASSIVE data mining for no logical reason , including EYE SCANs , finger prints , how somebody walks and collecting all this information on EVERYDAY innocent CITIZENS , they ARE IN ON IT . PERIOD .
Stop taking it people , do or say something about it, and demand CNN stop the infotainment and DO REPORTING that affects citizens of this country .
February 4th, 2008 at 5:41 pmI haven't heard a single candidate, in any of the debates, being asked about surveillance programs, how they would expand, reduce, use/not use, FISA or anything related.
February 4th, 2008 at 5:57 pmDid I just miss it?
O.Bigmouth: "And the right to own high-capacity rifle and pistol magazines."
Bigmouth is correct. Under Bush and his friends in the NRA, terrorists in America have the right to own a 50 caliber sniper rifle which can penetrate armor and the fusilage of a commercial jetliner. This is one of the ways in which Bush has "kept us safe."
February 4th, 2008 at 6:52 pmOBigMoron shouldn't have BRAGGED about INTENTIONALLY DERAILING THE THREADS... Funny how things like that really PISS OF a blog master when they're pointed out! ;) Bye Bye, OBigMoron! Don't let the door hit your oversized **s on the way out! ;)
February 4th, 2008 at 9:12 pmCool. TP cleaned up the idiot droppings.
On the subject of this thread, I am curious to actually hear what the candidates have to say about this.
The only ones talking about it were censored by the Main
FascistStream Media and are no longer running.Except Ron Paul and I am darn sure not voting for
February 4th, 2008 at 9:50 pmthat nutcasehim.If Obama gets in he will allow Kerry to finial be President and of course Ted Kennedy will be allowed to do what he has never been before a policy makers and try to build a legacy bigger then his brother John F. Kennedy. Yes it’s a smart move for those Dems who couldn’t get the US vote as a Leader just use the new kid who doesn’t know. I must admit I like the way Obama says he didn’t vote for the war he voted against it. I guess with his Star Power lying just comes national as he wasn’t a Senator at the time of the vote. Yes Senator Obama also forgot to tell the voters how he changed a bill to support Bush/Cheney even knowing it would hurt his State of Illinois. But it’s better to lie and let Opah spin for him. Well I say good move Senator Kerry as you found away to become President after all. Senator Obama will get us out of this mess with just those great speeches and nothing else. We’ll starve to death but we’ll have that great speech asus w3000n battery,asus w3n battery to listen to on our way out.
October 15th, 2008 at 3:49 amLet’s hope the Rezo case doesn’t bring out the truth that Obama was making deals for this big house that Rezo got for him. So far trust isn’t Senator Obama’s strongest suit but words are.