Comments on: Gitmo detainee dies of natural causes for first time ever. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/ Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:18:06 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Andy Worthington http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-4255459 Andy Worthington Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:59:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/#comment-4255459 Thanks for posting a link to this article. I'm one of the co-authors. For further information about miscarriages of justice at Guantanamo, please visit my website, where you can also find information about my book "The Guantanamo Files: The Stories of the 774 Detainees in America's Illegal Prison": <a href="http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/" rel="nofollow"> I enjoyed some of the exchanges above. It amazes me how some people can miss the entire point of a story. Witnesses are found, and back-up is provided to demonstrate that Mr. Hekmati's explanation of the jailbreak that freed a future Karzai government minister and a US-allied military commander was entirely valid, and some choose to believe unattributed counter-allegations produced under dubious circumstances.</a> Thanks for posting a link to this article. I’m one of the co-authors. For further information about miscarriages of justice at Guantanamo, please visit my website, where you can also find information about my book “The Guantanamo Files: The Stories of the 774 Detainees in America’s Illegal Prison”:
I enjoyed some of the exchanges above. It amazes me how some people can miss the entire point of a story. Witnesses are found, and back-up is provided to demonstrate that Mr. Hekmati’s explanation of the jailbreak that freed a future Karzai government minister and a US-allied military commander was entirely valid, and some choose to believe unattributed counter-allegations produced under dubious circumstances.

]]> By: tombaker http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-4254694 tombaker Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:54:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/#comment-4254694 great - how many more mujahadeen have we created with that brilliant move??? great – how many more mujahadeen have we created with that brilliant move???

]]> By: normalasf http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-4254507 normalasf Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:41:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/#comment-4254507 Tortured Headline for the Tortured Prisoner? If he died of natural causes for the first time ever, what did he die of before? Grammar, please. Tortured Headline for the Tortured Prisoner?

If he died of natural causes for the first time ever, what did he die of before? Grammar, please.

]]> By: JMOHR http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-4254400 JMOHR Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:43:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/#comment-4254400 The real tragedy of GTMO arises from its use to hide the mistakes and incompetence of the bush administration. The broad sweeping net and bounties paid for turning the "enemy" over to US forces brought in many who were innocent. So you establish a prison for the worst of the worst. You torture to gain information and confessions. Then, it turns out that 2/3rds of those captured were innocent. You already face world condemnation for your practices. You need public support. What do you do? KEEP THE INNOCENT UNTIL THEY ROT TO HIDE YOUR MISTAKES The real tragedy of GTMO arises from its use to hide the mistakes and incompetence of the bush administration. The broad sweeping net and bounties paid for turning the “enemy” over to US forces brought in many who were innocent. So you establish a prison for the worst of the worst. You torture to gain information and confessions. Then, it turns out that 2/3rds of those captured were innocent. You already face world condemnation for your practices. You need public support. What do you do?

KEEP THE INNOCENT UNTIL THEY ROT TO HIDE YOUR MISTAKES

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-4254256 Lefty Patriot Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:16:25 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/#comment-4254256 Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 8:42 am more lies from the right. never a truth, never a proof. Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 8:42 am

more lies from the right. never a truth, never a proof.

]]> By: Dumb_Fox http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-4254255 Dumb_Fox Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:15:57 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/#comment-4254255 <em>Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 8:42 am</em> Well gee, thanks for that. Those are the unproven charges that the Military laid against him. Now go read the Times article to find out the other side of the story. Stop at these quotes: "What he did was very important for all Afghan people who were against the Taliban," "It was the Americans' mistake. I know he had no relations with the Taliban." Random quotes? No, these men were rescued from the Taliban by Mr Hekmati; one is now an Army general, the other a minister in the Karzai government. So yes, "some hero" indeed. Far more than you will ever become. Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 8:42 am

Well gee, thanks for that. Those are the unproven charges that the Military laid against him. Now go read the Times article to find out the other side of the story.

Stop at these quotes:

“What he did was very important for all Afghan people who were against the Taliban,”

“It was the Americans’ mistake. I know he had no relations with the Taliban.”

Random quotes? No, these men were rescued from the Taliban by Mr Hekmati; one is now an Army general, the other a minister in the Karzai government.

So yes, “some hero” indeed. Far more than you will ever become.

]]> By: Bobwurst http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-4254248 Bobwurst Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:12:57 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/#comment-4254248 "Mr. Hekmati was “high in the Al Qaeda hierarchy,” acted as a smuggler and facilitator for it, and was “part of the main security escort for Osama bin Laden.” He was also accused of attending a terrorist training camp near Kandahar and of involvement in assassination attempts against Afghan government officials. Some hero. http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Abdul_Razzak_%28Guantanamo_detainee_942%29 Comment by good_golly " The problem gigi is that all your "proof" comes from a one-sided kangaroo court. If you want people to believe you, you need to be transparent and allow everyone basic human rights, even the ones you think are criminals. Of course you don't care about the rule of law, you're a brownshirt. “Mr. Hekmati was “high in the Al Qaeda hierarchy,” acted as a smuggler and facilitator for it, and was “part of the main security escort for Osama bin Laden.” He was also accused of attending a terrorist training camp near Kandahar and of involvement in assassination attempts against Afghan government officials. Some hero.
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Abdul_Razzak_%28Guantanamo_detainee_942%29

Comment by good_golly ”

The problem gigi is that all your “proof” comes from a one-sided kangaroo court. If you want people to believe you, you need to be transparent and allow everyone basic human rights, even the ones you think are criminals. Of course you don’t care about the rule of law, you’re a brownshirt.

]]> By: Fred http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-4254247 Fred Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:12:21 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/#comment-4254247 30 about gg can't wait to read the indictments against this one some day soon.....bound to happen. 30 about gg

can’t wait to read the indictments against this one some day soon…..bound to happen.

]]> By: Fred http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-4254245 Fred Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:11:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/#comment-4254245 sorry…mispelled insufferable Comment by Fred — February 4, 2008 @ 11:38 pm Freddy, ask your mommy about spellcheck! Comment by Gin ha....I don't think ginny likes me........that's hilarious....comes here....says dumb stuff....then gets huffy like a little one....... sorry…mispelled insufferable
Comment by Fred — February 4, 2008 @ 11:38 pm

Freddy, ask your mommy about spellcheck!

Comment by Gin

ha….I don’t think ginny likes me……..that’s hilarious….comes here….says dumb stuff….then gets huffy like a little one…….

]]> By: 99Luf Balloons http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-4254239 99Luf Balloons Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:51:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/#comment-4254239 All I keep thinking is that eventually BUSH MUST DIE! All I keep thinking is that eventually BUSH MUST DIE!

]]> By: 99Luf Balloons http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-4254238 99Luf Balloons Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:50:54 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/#comment-4254238 I can’t WAIT until we hear that TRAITOR Bush has DROPPED DEAD. There will celebrations throughout the WORLD, as well as in America by PATRIOTIC Americans that a piece of EVIL has gone to be with its MASTER Satan. Comment by Arn Gunnutes <b>I PRAY FOR HIS RAPTURE EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.</b> I can’t WAIT until we hear that TRAITOR Bush has DROPPED DEAD.

There will celebrations throughout the WORLD, as well as in America by PATRIOTIC Americans that a piece of EVIL has gone to be with its

MASTER Satan.

Comment by Arn Gunnutes

I PRAY FOR HIS RAPTURE EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY.

]]> By: OhTheBillDotCom http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-4254235 OhTheBillDotCom Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:46:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/#comment-4254235 04 Feb 2008 Navy Lt. William Kuebler asked a military judge to throw out the charges against Canadian defendant Omar Khadr, who was shot and captured at age 15 in a firefight at a suspected al Qaeda compound in Afghanistan in 2002. But a U.S. Department of Justice attorney, arguing for the prosecution, said that if Congress intended to exclude juveniles from the Guantanamo war court, it would have explicitly written that, because lawmakers knew Khadr could face charges. Instead, Congress wrote the law using the term "person," which legally refers to<strong> "anyone born alive,"</strong> Justice Department attorney Andy Oldham said. <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN0459630220080204" rel="nofollow"></a> 04 Feb 2008 Navy Lt. William Kuebler asked a military judge to throw out the charges against Canadian defendant Omar Khadr, who was shot and captured at age 15 in a firefight at a suspected al Qaeda compound in Afghanistan in 2002. But a U.S. Department of Justice attorney, arguing for the prosecution, said that if Congress intended to exclude juveniles from the Guantanamo war court, it would have explicitly written that, because lawmakers knew Khadr could face charges. Instead, Congress wrote the law using the term “person,” which legally refers to “anyone born alive,” Justice Department attorney Andy Oldham said.

]]> By: Dumb_Fox http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-4254231 Dumb_Fox Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:09:41 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/#comment-4254231 If anyone hasn't, do read the whole story. The moral of it is: you fight the Soviets, you defy the Taliban, you return from exile after the Taliban are removed, we arrest you forever and you die alone in captivity. Be a hero, get screwed. Or as I call it, getting Tillmanned. If anyone hasn’t, do read the whole story.

The moral of it is: you fight the Soviets, you defy the Taliban, you return from exile after the Taliban are removed, we arrest you forever and you die alone in captivity.

Be a hero, get screwed. Or as I call it, getting Tillmanned.

]]> By: Brain From Planet Arous http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-4254230 Brain From Planet Arous Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:31:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/#comment-4254230 <em>I wonder how bush and cheney sleep at night,knowing all they have killed……………….. Comment by wisedup — February 4, 2008 @ 10:51 pm</em> They think, "Blowing up frogs or people, what's the difference?" I wonder how bush and cheney sleep at night,knowing all they have killed………………..

Comment by wisedup — February 4, 2008 @ 10:51 pm

They think, “Blowing up frogs or people, what’s the difference?”

]]> By: Bobwurst http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-4254228 Bobwurst Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:01:05 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/#comment-4254228 Daddy O True, but we're still responsible to some extent. Mr Hekmati's family doesn't see a difference between those who voted for bush and those who voted for Kerry. Mr. Hekmati fought the Russian invaders, and Afghanistan's version of the republican party: the taliban. We've done very little to stop bush in comparison. Yes, the leaders in the democratic party have sent sternly worded letters, Sen Leahy has frowned at low level officials, Sen Schummer did tell Mukasay how disappointed he is in him... Silence is consent. Daddy O

True, but we’re still responsible to some extent. Mr Hekmati’s family doesn’t see a difference between those who voted for bush and those who voted for Kerry. Mr. Hekmati fought the Russian invaders, and Afghanistan’s version of the republican party: the taliban. We’ve done very little to stop bush in comparison. Yes, the leaders in the democratic party have sent sternly worded letters, Sen Leahy has frowned at low level officials, Sen Schummer did tell Mukasay how disappointed he is in him… Silence is consent.

]]> By: Daddy-O http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-4254226 Daddy-O Tue, 05 Feb 2008 07:49:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/#comment-4254226 I hate to make an out for a sociopath like George W. Bush, but life in his Bubble really is strange. He just doesn't think about the deaths of people he's caused. He isn't reminded, and nobody would dare. And since he's so incurious, he's a natural for the part of Puppet President. Which he is. But the Buck Stops with him. Sociopath in a Bubble or not. For probably NOT the last time--WE are not responsible for Gitmo and the crimes of the Bush administration. THEY are. The only way I could have stopped him is if I shot the bastard, but without taking out Cheney at the same time... It's pointless. Stop the self-flagellating, everybody who voted for Gore or Kerry. It's not our fault. They're sick, they were handed the Ultimate Power by people who stole both elections, and this mess is out of our hands. Until November. I hate to make an out for a sociopath like George W. Bush, but life in his Bubble really is strange.

He just doesn’t think about the deaths of people he’s caused. He isn’t reminded, and nobody would dare. And since he’s so incurious, he’s a natural for the part of Puppet President. Which he is.

But the Buck Stops with him. Sociopath in a Bubble or not.

For probably NOT the last time–WE are not responsible for Gitmo and the crimes of the Bush administration. THEY are. The only way I could have stopped him is if I shot the bastard, but without taking out Cheney at the same time…

It’s pointless. Stop the self-flagellating, everybody who voted for Gore or Kerry. It’s not our fault. They’re sick, they were handed the Ultimate Power by people who stole both elections, and this mess is out of our hands.

Until November.

]]> By: VerbalKint http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-4254223 VerbalKint Tue, 05 Feb 2008 07:19:36 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/#comment-4254223 <em>did you honestly never grow up to be a man? Comment by Fred — February 4, 2008 @ 11:30 pm</em> Bedwetters like this freak don't have a clue what it means to be a man. They are emotionally stunted boys, for life. did you honestly never grow up to be a man?

Comment by Fred — February 4, 2008 @ 11:30 pm

Bedwetters like this freak don’t have a clue what it means to be a man. They are emotionally stunted boys, for life.

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-4254222 Lefty Patriot Tue, 05 Feb 2008 07:19:02 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/#comment-4254222 Cuba's healthcare is better than the USA's. Cuba’s healthcare is better than the USA’s.

]]> By: Juan C. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-4254218 Juan C. Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:49:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/#comment-4254218 <em>They have a ton of good doctors in Cuba. Comment by toasterhead </em> And they have become revolutionary in cancer treatment with urinetherapy. They have a ton of good doctors in Cuba.
Comment by toasterhead

And they have become revolutionary in cancer treatment with urinetherapy.

]]> By: Jackie http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-4254215 Jackie Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:42:09 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/04/gitmo-detainee-dies-of-natural-causes-for-first-time-ever/#comment-4254215 Does anyone really care that the United States has tortured, raped, killed and now let die innocent people. Now it's more important to hear what's happening to Britney. More innocent prisoners have died at the hands and orders of the President and Vice President of the United States. Now a time will come when this action will be done to Americans as the bible says what you give you get back 7 times. Does anyone really care that the United States has tortured, raped, killed and now let die innocent people. Now it’s more important to hear what’s happening to Britney. More innocent prisoners have died at the hands and orders of the President and Vice President of the United States. Now a time will come when this action will be done to Americans as the bible says what you give you get back 7 times.

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