Stocks tanked this afternoon “after a report showing a big slowdown in the services sector of the economy amplified fears that a recession is underway or imminent.” The report “showed business activity falling in January for the first time in five years.” The Dow Jones’s drop of more than 350 points marks the “worst loss in a single day so far in 2008,” and the eighth worst day since 2000.
Save us McFree Markets!
February 5th, 2008 at 4:28 pmYou know what? I think these are good news.
Maybe it will help us to not trust again technocrats telling us that the solution for all the problems in the world was to privatize every public service. I know that recession has more to do than just privatizations, but it is a good example of how we follow those idiots every word thinking that they will work for us. This is all our fault for thinking that healthy macroeconomics indicators mean commonwealth. What a stupid, freaking lie since 1982.
My question, how many millionaire guys will become poor after recession and how many poor will become rich? Any bets?
February 5th, 2008 at 4:30 pmThe surge is working!
February 5th, 2008 at 4:30 pmOn a serious note, this IS serious. The service sector represents 90% of the U.S economy.
Sorry folks, but dropping interest rates on its head won’t help much, I don’t think. The SO HOT econony of 2002-2006 was financed through subprime lending (easy money, bad terms), a practice now out the door.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:32 pmAnd yet it is still @ 300 pts. higher than it was on January 22. Where was TP reporting on the gains between January 22 and today?
Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 4:33 pm
And 1000 points LESS that it was 2 months abo.
Where were YOU reporting on the 1500-point LOSSES in the last 3 weeks?
February 5th, 2008 at 4:35 pm… uh oh… what about all those “health savings accounts”…
and retirement “investments”…
good thing we still have medicare and social security retirement INSURANCE for our seniors …
February 5th, 2008 at 4:36 pmComment by Juan C. — February 5, 2008 @ 4:30 pm
Great point, and those rich guys feel no reason to learn from anything, leaving the already struggling middle class to learn from their mistakes.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:37 pmWhat is one to expect…. it has been down hill since the signing of NAFTA thanks to CLINTON with a screwed up media hiding this thanks to CLINTON.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:38 pmComment by Juan C. — February 5, 2008 @ 4:30 pm
Yeah, imagine what it would look like now if Bush had gotten his way and privatized Social Security back in 2004.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:38 pmgg is the blindest loyalist there is. what a moron.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:38 pmAnd yet it is still @ 300 pts. higher than it was on January 22. Where was TP reporting on the gains between January 22 and today?
Comment by good_golly
you dumb ass…..you think you can sell anything don’t you….
it’s only 1000 points higher than it was 8 years ago dumb ass……how is that good? Spin that you croon
February 5th, 2008 at 4:39 pmhahaha…..the “service dominated” economy that the RepugliKKKlan were trying so hard to sell to the american public is nothing more than a dumbing down of the general populace.
this number? SECOND LOWEST in history!!!!!
it’s comprised of business activity (which fell off a cliff) and prices (which remained high) the meaning? H Y P E R I N F L A T I O N
welcome to 1930’s germany
February 5th, 2008 at 4:39 pmYeah, imagine what it would look like now if Bush had gotten his way and privatized Social Security back in 2004.
Comment by J — February 5, 2008 @ 4:38 pm
I think the same thing myself.
Time to start buying precious metals.
Don’t wait!
February 5th, 2008 at 4:41 pmWhat is one to expect…. it has been down hill since the signing of NAFTA thanks to CLINTON with a screwed up media hiding this thanks to CLINTON.
Comment by had enough
new troll?
February 5th, 2008 at 4:41 pmComment by katy — February 5, 2008 @ 4:36 pm
katy, tax cuts are the panacea to life’s ills. Deregulate, remove all accounting systems, therefore eliminating “wasteful, bloatedprograms”. It’s called saving money in all the right places.
We can talk later about expanding the adding a few more sides to the Pentagon.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:43 pmThe general trend of this econcomy has been downwards. Good_golly is the usual, tired appologist for a failed Republican party. One need only compare job creation, wages and income (by income band), employment ration (as opposed to unemployment) to see that this administration has essentially failed to advance the economy as it should have after a recession. But good_golly is the kind of mindless twit that supports the Republican party and its failed policies. The measurement of an econcomy is not the stock market you fool, it is the health of its business and it is the well being of its people. Somethings that you are to stupid to comprehend. You are obviously retarded or you would recognize that the stock market dip was because of a slow down in the largest segment of the “new” economy. It shows that economic fundamentals are in question. We have seen a number of fundamental indicators in the credit, foreclosure, employment ratio all headed south. But these would not matter to you since you can not read.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:44 pmNAFTA was initially pursued by corporate interest in the United States and Canada supportive of free trade, led by Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, U.S. President George H. W. Bush, and the Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari. The three countries signed NAFTA in December 1992, subject to ratification by the legislatures of the three countries. There was considerable opposition in all three countries. In the United States, NAFTA was able to secure passage after Bill Clinton made its passage a major legislative priority in 1993. Since the agreement had been signed by Bush under his fast-track prerogative, Clinton did not alter the original agreement, but complemented it with the aforementioned NAAEC and NAALC. After intense political debate and the negotiation of these side agreements, the U.S. House passed NAFTA on November 17, 1993, by 234-200 vote (132 Republicans and 102 Democrats voting in favor; 156 Democrats, 43 Republicans, and 1 independent against),[7] and the U.S. Senate passed it on the last day of its 1993 session, Saturday, November 20, 1993, by 61-38 vote (34 Republicans and 27 Democrats voting in favor; 28 Democrats and 10 Republicans against, with 1 Democrat opponent not voting).[8]
Wiki sees it a little differently than Had Enough does
February 5th, 2008 at 4:44 pmBut….but….Sean Hannity has been telling us how amazingly well the economy really is, and how all this negativity was just spin from the evil “liberal media”.
These statistics must have a “liberal bias” too.
While it’s funny to watch the right-wing pundits once again be wrong, this is very, very bad news for our country. We can’t have a new President soon enough. We’ll be cleaning up the mess Bush left us for many years to come.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:45 pmDown 370.03 points at closing bell.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:47 pmI think had enough was sarcastic.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:48 pmI am SO happy for you libs! This must have made your day! We all know the stock market is ONLY for us blue blood rich Republicans.
A great day indeed for libbies!
Oh, wait a minute, for some reason I don’t remember reading ANYTHING at all on any of these far left wacked out lib sites when the stock market kept hitting new highs and I’m sure I won’t see any mention when it hits a high mark again!!
Libs - DOOM and GLOOM; CUT and RUN!!!
February 5th, 2008 at 4:48 pmWe can talk later about the adding of a few more sides to the Pentagon.
Comment by McWars — February 5, 2008 @ 4:43 pm
Correction
February 5th, 2008 at 4:48 pmDo you think America will think twice before buying into the idea of giving tax cuts to the very wealthy, to of course stimulate the economy ( yeah right) and at the same time begin these so called wars?
February 5th, 2008 at 4:50 pmCrude oil prices dipped to $88.34 a barrel (down 12% from its peak price that TP reported on a few weeks ago), and the dollar rose sharply against the euro, but don’t expect TP to mention that either.
Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 4:48 pm
Don’t expect the oil companies to stop the gouging the consumers, you mean
February 5th, 2008 at 4:50 pmThe strategy is in place.
Four years from now, as President Obama or Clinton is trying to pull the United States out of the morass that Bush left it in, the Republicans will be proclaiming how it was all the Democrats fault that the country fell into a recession (after all, it was a Democratic Congress) and that’s why we need a Republican in the White House.
This is why Democrats and Progressives have such a hard time getting re-elected lately. We’re not willing to throw the country in a toilet now just so we can be re-elected 4 years from now.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:51 pmIt was down by 370 points by the time trading was wrapped up. The problem is not that it is the service sector that is involved, it is that it is construction and home improvement that were hardest hit. This in turn extends to building materials, furnishings and appliances in a drag-along effect. Service sector jobs like help desks which are not off-shored will not be affected. Health care is immune because people can not put off getting sick.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:51 pmLibs - DOOM and GLOOM; CUT and RUN!!!
Comment by John Kerry — February 5, 2008 @ 4:48 pm
You can push slogans, yet you can’t fight wars. Here’s a pointer: It doesn’t pinpoint and capture Bin Laden.
Why don’t you go sing any one of Ashcroft’s patriotastic songs in the front of the mirror?
February 5th, 2008 at 4:51 pmComment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 4:48 pm
another bad day for conservatives. no wonder you guys are so pissed off all the time.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:53 pmMURDERER Bush is a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA.
Who does NOT follow the Word of Jesus.
What with his LIES, GENOCIDE and THIEVERY from America.
Luckily, he will BURN for ETERNITY with TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan.
HOT!!!!
February 5th, 2008 at 4:53 pmDont pay attention to good_golly. The BLS has adjusted its hypothetical model and had to scrub some 32,000 jobs off each month for the last 12 months. That is some 385,000 jobs that were never created in 2007.
good_golly also doesnt talk about GDP growth wich was only 2.2% for all of 2007.
John Kerry McCain appears lost in political ideology.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:55 pm#22 Comment by John Kerry
February 5th, 2008 at 4:55 pmOur country is crumbling, a country I believe you belong to also and your thoughts go towards being angry at the Libs? Put the kool aid down.
So how much longer are the Senate Democrats going to stall on the economic stimulus package?
Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 4:54 pm
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The one where we give away money we don’t actually have?
February 5th, 2008 at 4:55 pmFrom what I have read from many economists, who dont play politics, is that the stimulus package wont help anything and isnt a good idea.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:56 pmWhat will be left for you Dana, after the trash gets swept out of the White House on January 20, 2009?
Comment by Cats r Flyfishn — February 5, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
Managed health care has worked quite well for me, Walt… I’m too scared to get sick… sarcasm/off.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:57 pmBad cut and paste…
February 5th, 2008 at 4:58 pmAnd 1000 points LESS that it was 2 months abo.
Where were YOU reporting on the 1500-point LOSSES in the last 3 weeks?
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — February 5, 2008 @ 4:35 pm
Golly_Goofy was busy with its head stuck shoulder deep in its own posterior.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:58 pmgg and john kerry the trolls don’t care……they would gladly light the match that would burn America to the ground if it got them some attention…..postitive or negative.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:58 pmReaganomics didn’t work then and Dubyanomics do not work now. Dubya’s spending like a drunken sailor while giving the public coffers to his rich cronies has been the greatest fiscal failure of all time. Repbublicans should go back to school on economics.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:58 pmLibs - DOOM and GLOOM; CUT and RUN!!!
Comment by John Kerry — February 5, 2008 @ 4:48 pm
poor jk.
his grandchildren hid the channel changer from him again.
(hint: check under the sofa cushions)
February 5th, 2008 at 4:59 pmgood_golly and jk, I already assigned both of you buffoons some homework, specifically to study these numbers:
http://www.dems.gov/index.asp?Type=B_PR&SEC={D68CD0B2-1442-4804-9F6B-AF67DE7FF585}&DE={FDD09C4F-E958-4E13-A92B-179C2FAC6FEA}&Design=PrintView
It is clear that you both deserve an F- on this assignment.
As for you good_golly, don’t you think it is grotesquely pathetic to celebrate $88 a barrel oil, when it was less than 1/3 that price when Bush took office? Don’t you think it is grotesquely pathetic to celebrate the euro dropping to $1.46, when it was $1.07 when Bush took office? Could you possibly lower the bar anymore for Bush, you pathetic freak?
February 5th, 2008 at 4:59 pmComment by had enough
new troll?
Comment by Fred — February 5, 2008 @ 4:41 pm
no fred… and it’s accurate… look it up…
February 5th, 2008 at 5:00 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 5, 2008 @ 4:57 pm
Hey CrFf, I always thought you were a gal.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:01 pmAs for you good_golly, don’t you think it is grotesquely pathetic to celebrate $88 a barrel oil, when it was less than 1/3 that price when Bush took office? Don’t you think it is grotesquely pathetic to celebrate the euro dropping to $1.46, when it was $1.07 when Bush took office? Could you possibly lower the bar anymore for Bush, you pathetic freak?
Comment by VerbalKint — February 5, 2008 @ 4:59 pm
Nope. Pretty LOW.
But that’s what you expect from azslickers of MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA?
Soon to be BURNING IN HELL with TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:02 pmComment by VerbalKint — February 5, 2008 @ 4:59 pm
ssssh!
it’s gg’s nap time.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:03 pmThe euro is probably off 2 cents because it is flooding into the U.S. to buy up our companies.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:03 pmSo how much longer are the Senate Democrats going to stall on the economic stimulus package?
Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 4:54 pm
Actually its the House that has to start Impeachment before the Senate can convict Bush.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:03 pmThat would be the best start on an economic stimulus.
What is one to expect…. it has been down hill since the signing of NAFTA thanks to CLINTON with a screwed up media hiding this thanks to CLINTON.
Comment by had enough
new troll?
Comment by Fred —
February 5th, 2008 at 5:03 pmabc… anyone but clinton… a strong Obama supporter.
If Clinton does get the nomination, of course I will support her…. but you have to admit the signing of NAFTA and the dereg of the telecoms, while sucking up to the repugs, by B Clinton has hurt us. Hillary needs to get out there and give a plan to right these wrongs if nominated.
So how much longer are the Senate Democrats going to stall on the economic stimulus package?
Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 4:54 pm
As long as Mitch and Boner march in lockstep with the Chimperor. By the way, RETHUGLICAN OBSTRUCTIONISM is NOT stalling. Just like S-CHIP. What ever happened to the compassionate part of compassionalte conservatism? Went the way of “uniter, not a divder” and “WMD” right?
February 5th, 2008 at 5:04 pmVK, take your “homework†and shove it. I don’t take assignments from the likes of you, particularly when it comes to studying fake numbers skewed by the Reid’s “Democratic Caucus.â€
Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 5:03 pm
Oooooo!!!! Someone is getting a little touchy. Thin-skinned freak. Most of those numbers are cited to U.S. government agencies controlled by the Bush administration. How can you dispute them? Just chant after me: ten million missing jobs.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:05 pmLibs - DOOM and GLOOM; CUT and RUN!!!
Comment by John Kerry McCain
I find it odd that JKM here fully supports the Fear [doom!!] tactics spouted by the RUN [Chicken-Hawk crowd] yet when people discuss whats really happening in the market it is labeled liberal doom and gloom when the fact is its the market folks who are worried.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:05 pmDon’t feed the trolls…they are finally realizing that their chimpanzee leader is a failure.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:06 pmIt’s better to have a recession than an economy that fails completely, i.e. a state run economy.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 5, 2008 @ 5:06 pm
umm, darlin’, we do have a state run economy now. It is run by Bush and his corporate cronies.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:07 pmgood_golly expects TP to post what he wants but gets mad when his economical posts are show to be absurd, yes gg is a bit touchy verbal kint, I hope he doesnt dive off any buildings.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:07 pmJust chant after me: ten million missing jobs.
Comment by VerbalKint — February 5, 2008 @ 5:05 pm
They’re not missing - just exported, where the Chimperor’s friends can make more money from lower labor costs. American citizens be damned.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:08 pmComment by had enough
new troll?
Comment by Fred — February 5, 2008 @ 4:41 pm
no fred… and it’s accurate… look it up…
Comment by katy
Why bring it up here…..nafta has nothing to do with this recession. Niether does Bill Clinton……
February 5th, 2008 at 5:08 pmOil at ONLY $88 a barrel!!! Woo hoo!!!
Euros at ONLY $1.46!!! Woo hoo!!!
Mornin’ in Amurka, I tell ‘ya.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:09 pmI agree with Tracy no state run economy, that means ditch the tax brakes for corporate oil companies and everyone else who is getting the corporate welfare from the government.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:09 pmWhy bring it up here…..nafta has nothing to do with this recession. Niether does Bill Clinton……
Comment by Fred — February 5, 2008 @ 5:08 pm
Atleast he got some labor and environmental measures added to a ball which was already in play
February 5th, 2008 at 5:11 pmOil at ONLY $88 a barrel!!! Woo hoo!!!
Euros at ONLY $1.46!!! Woo hoo!!!
Mornin’ in Amurka, I tell ‘ya.
Comment by VerbalKint — February 5, 2008 @ 5:09 pm
Flipping through the channels a while back, I saw a bunch of Fox News “anchors” gushing about how great it was that gasoline was under $3.00 a gallon. I remember before the first Gulf war when it was under a $1.00 a gallon.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:11 pmCrude oil prices dipped to $88.34 a barrel (down 12% from its peak price that TP reported on a few weeks ago), and the dollar rose sharply against the euro, but don’t expect TP to mention that either.
Comment by good_golly
I know it is not easy for our beloved trolls to ‘think’, but it is important to understand the trending of the data, not the specific day of the data. As with our Chimp in chief, trolls finds it easy to ‘pick out’ a good day and congratulate themselves for that good day - ignoring the glaring negative trends.
Our beloved trolls are simply treading water at this point. Try to be nice to them - their imperial presidency is coming to an end.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:11 pmHow much was oil per barrel when the Supreme Court appointed the chimpanzee to the White House?
February 5th, 2008 at 5:13 pmOur beloved trolls are simply treading water at this point.
I think GG has actually just gone under.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:13 pmHow much was oil per barrel when the Supreme Court appointed the chimpanzee to the White House?
Comment by kasinca — February 5, 2008 @ 5:13 pm
Something around $27, I think.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:14 pmAre you gay?
Comment by Tracy2 — February 5, 2008 @ 5:14 pm
Do you want me to be?
February 5th, 2008 at 5:15 pmThey do a far better job than any government bureaucracy ever could.
Where do you stand on universal health coverage through a single-payer insurance plan, such as those used by most developed countries?
February 5th, 2008 at 5:16 pmIs Bush-cultist “Good golly” really trying to cite oil prices and the value of the dollar as a way to defend the Bush administration??!! Come on, man. We know you’re over the top, but that’s just craaazzzzzy!
February 5th, 2008 at 5:16 pmAre you gay?
Comment by Tracy2 — February 5, 2008 @ 5:14 pm
Does it matter?
February 5th, 2008 at 5:17 pmIs Bush-cultist “Good golly†really trying to cite oil prices and the value of the dollar as a way to defend the Bush administration??!!
Yes, that is exactly what he is trying to do. He even threw it out there with a sort of smug, satisfied tone to his comment, as though he was really scoring a point. But don’t worry, I’ve scared him away, at least for now.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:18 pmOne of the GREATEST MOMENTS for the United States of America
will be when TRAITOR Bush DROPS DEAD and goes to hell with TRAITOR Ronald Reagan and their MASTER Satan.
The WORLD will CELEBRATE the demise of EVIL, now gone HOME.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:19 pmAre you gay?
Comment by Tracy2 — February 5, 2008 @ 5:14 pm
Does it matter?
Comment by dbadass — February 5, 2008 @ 5:17 pm
Hey! She’s askin’ me the question, and I’ll do the answerin’
February 5th, 2008 at 5:19 pmWell, it wasnt regulation that caused the subprime crash and much of the problems we see today with liquidity, it was deregulation of parts of the Glass Steagall act
February 5th, 2008 at 5:20 pmNo, although I don’t understand why you STILL think I am a female.
Who says I think you are a female? Now answer the question about single-payer health care systems.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:20 pmAre you gay?
Comment by Tracy2
Thats just the way wingers insult each other and then they deny it and giggle
February 5th, 2008 at 5:20 pmAdjusted for inflation, both gasoline and oil prices are lower than they were in December 1979 at the end of the Carter administration.
Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 5:21 pm
GG went and looked up some numbers. Good for him. Carter did it. Problem solved.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:22 pmBut the fundamentals are strong!
-GSD
February 5th, 2008 at 5:23 pmGood Golly, Mary Matalin says the voters will only be looking at the future in this election.
Please get your head out of your past.
-GSD
February 5th, 2008 at 5:25 pmhard to believe that anyone could try to defend this mess…..they must want people to yell at them……..how could you be that blind and dumb…?
February 5th, 2008 at 5:25 pmAdjusted for inflation, both gasoline and oil prices are lower than they were in December 1979 at the end of the Carter administration.
Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 5:21 pm
Then adjusted for inflation, CLINTON’S gas prices were 1/3 of what they were in December 1979.
And MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA
fvkcd it up AS USUAL.
Not only that, ALL the money earmarked for Hydrogen, etc., 30 years ago was WIPED OUT by Big Oil’s TRAITOROUS dupe,
MORON Ronnie Reagan.
NOW BURNING IN HELL, and WAITING for the TREASONOUS Bush WAR CRIMINALS to arrive.
From 30 years ago, we would be energy-independent today.
Except for the RapeubliNazi TRAITORS and their azslickers like GooNPussy.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:26 pm“they must want people to yell at them”
Preferably people wearing lots of leather and cracking a whip.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:26 pmDecember 1979 at the end of the Carter administration.
Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 5:21 pm
LOL not to put to fine a point on in it, but Carter is often considered one of the worst presidents in history. But hey if you need to put Bush in the same category go for it.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:26 pmHow can you dispute them? Just chant after me: ten million missing jobs.
Comment by VerbalKint — February 5, 2008 @ 5:05 pm
Is it possible this administration finds it easier to lose our jobs than lose its emails?
February 5th, 2008 at 5:26 pmI always laugh at adjusted for inflation, as if Carter knew what the inflation [under Bush] would be in 2000-2007.
So what is causing the inflation we see during the last 7 years GG?
February 5th, 2008 at 5:27 pmso verbalkint, does gg get her grade raised to a D for effort? She did misrepresent where the data was collected and by who…..
February 5th, 2008 at 5:27 pmAdjusted for inflation, both gasoline and oil prices are lower than they were in December 1979 at the end of the Carter administration.
Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 5:21 pm
That shit was super expensive back in the PreCambrian before it even formed but I fail to see the relevance. Are you just carry the torch for this failed administration?
February 5th, 2008 at 5:28 pmAdjusted for inflation, both gasoline and oil prices are lower than they were in December 1979 at the end of the Carter administration.
Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 5:21 pm
…and I’m sure that had nothing to do with the OPEC embargo to punish the West for the Yom Kippur War.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:28 pmhard to believe that anyone could try to defend this mess…..they must want people to yell at them……..how could you be that blind and dumb…?
Comment by Fred — February 5, 2008 @ 5:25 pm
Fred, you ARE speaking in RHETORIC, right?
All these “trolls” are probably one or two DoD PSYOPS, with a KVM going to 8 or 10 computers, and saying “who do I post as NEXT?”
http://www.iwar.org.uk/iwar/
February 5th, 2008 at 5:29 pmArn, it’s 5:30. Take your meds.
Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 5:30 pm
GiGi, it’s TOO LATE FOR YOU, but TAKE YOUR MEDS ANYWAY, YOU STUPID IGNORANT LITTLE TARD!
February 5th, 2008 at 5:32 pmIn all seriousness, this mess is caused by a toxic brew of massive tax cuts for the wealthy, massive increase in deficits, massive deregulation, complete loss of control of credit markets, massively wasteful spending on a pointless and illegal war, and the systematic depreciation of the dollar against foreign currencies. Ultimately, though, I think the most devastating “feature” of Republican policies is the flow of money away from the poor and to the rich. This has left the masses with less money to spend, and the rich with too much money to chase investments. Thus has ignited an asset bubble, first in stocks, then in real estate, that is unsustainable. Greenspan definitely deserves some blame, but most of the blame goes to Bush and the Republicans who have marched in lockstep with him.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:33 pmyes Arn…..
LOL not to put to fine a point on in it, but Carter is often considered one of the worst presidents in history. But hey if you need to put Bush in the same category go for it.
Comment by Krazny
By who….I would say he was the most maligned presidents in history…..he also had the most knife wounds in his back.
The dems turned their backs on a great man and that was a sad day for us all.. When will we learn. We did the same thing to Al Gore….no wonder he has moved on……
February 5th, 2008 at 5:33 pmComment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 5:21 pm
You’re a happy camper. Too bad for you, we only have to look back to the 1990s and not 1979. We feel like our country has taken a step back to the 1970s under Bush, but you don’t care that we should be even better off in 2008 than even the Clinton years, right? Is the new standard to be slightly better off than the worst?
What a massive waste of time it’s been under this admin.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:33 pmCould it be?
February 5th, 2008 at 5:33 pmSigning of NAFTA
+ dereg of telecoms
+ tax cuts to the wealthy while at the same time starting wars
+ Greenspan’s actions
+ gutting and weakening social safety nets
+ gutting funds to maintain US infrastructure
= in Bush Sr. words
B Clinton’s actions and his closeness to Bush sr. is a bit uncomfortable.
Adjusted for inflation, both gasoline and oil prices are lower than they were in December 1979 at the end of the Carter administration.
Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 5:21 pm
You mean when the OIL BOYCOTT brought on by NIXON/FORD coupled with the REVOLUTION IN IRAN brought on by NIXON/FORD POLICIES came to a HEAD? GEEZ why exactly does BIG OIL LOVE the GOP, maybe because with you TARDS they’d NEVER have a chance to GOUGE THE AMERICAN PUBLIC? You SAD STUPID little USEFUL IDIOT…
February 5th, 2008 at 5:33 pm“take your meds…”
MURDERER Bush is a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA, and will BURN IN HELL like TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan is RIGHT NOW.
And all you, a DoD TRAITOR PSYOPS azslicker of TRAITORS can say is “take your meds”?
I can’t WAIT till Cheney and Bush DROP DEAD.
The WORLD will CELEBRATE the demise of the EVIL, now gone home.
And TRAITOR DoD azlickers of TREASON, like YOU, will CRY…
WOO HOO!
February 5th, 2008 at 5:34 pmAre you gay?
Comment by Tracy2 — February 5, 2008 @ 5:14 pm
With that FAT STUPID UGLY WIFE OF YOURS, it’s easy to see WHY you’d WANT TO KNOW there - CRAIG! ;)
February 5th, 2008 at 5:34 pmagain: Bush sr. words: New World Order
February 5th, 2008 at 5:35 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbRp7xlhgbo
“so verbalkint, does gg get her grade raised to a D for effort?”
No. I will upgrade GG to F+
February 5th, 2008 at 5:35 pmSome of the last provisions of NAFTA are kicking in.
Now the U.S. is allowed to import (heavily subsidized) corn into Mexico with no tariffs. This is killing Mexican farmers and ravaging their economy.
There were huge protests in Mexico.
Mexico’s staple food is corn.
Expects hundreds of thousands more Mexican farmers to enter our country trying to find work to save their families from starving.
Will the “change” candidate Hillary have the courage to shred the agreement (NAFTA) signed by her husband?
While we wait for that answer expect wages to continue to decline as the (illegal) labor pool expands.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:36 pmAnd an even MORE SIGNIFICANT FACT is that the DOW JONES is LESS THAN IT WAS WHEN CLINTON LEFT OFFICE, once adjusted for INFLATION! Yet it DOUBLED under CLINTON! The GOP - BAD FOR THE ECONOMY, BAD FOR NATIONAL SECURITY, BAD FOR AMERICA!
February 5th, 2008 at 5:36 pmArn, take your meds.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:36 pmhad enough, I understand you don’t like the clintons……..you must however be rational. Nothing like what is happening now can be attributed to Bill clinton or by proxy onto Hillary. I am supporting Obama by the way but I will support hillary if that is what I am left with. You must not put any democrat in the same bucket with these slime.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:37 pmVK,
Eat zhit and DIE.
THAT’S YOUR “meds”.
Fukc off,
Sincerely,
NRA Gun Nutes
February 5th, 2008 at 5:38 pmI love the way arn rants for several lines in bold and then signs
Sincerely,
February 5th, 2008 at 5:40 pmGG,
When MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA
DROPS DEAD, only THEN will I start taking “meds”.
To CELEBRATE!!
Bush’s MASTER Satan will SMASH HIS FACE IN every second FOR ETERNITY.
I’d sure LOVE to see THAT, without going to hell like Bush WILL.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:40 pmVK,
Eat zhit and DIE.
Hey, we’re on the same side, dude. Nothing wrong with a few meds once in a while. Personally I like the kind that is inhaled.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:41 pmFred, you may want to do some reading about the Free Trade Agreements before you get too far down this road. Look at the loss of jobs, for one thing.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:42 pmgood golly: “Adjusted for inflation, both gasoline and oil prices are lower than they were in December 1979 at the end of the Carter administ”
Man, that’s just pathetic. Hey stupid, Clinton’s tax rates were half of what tax rates were in 1959, at the end of the repub administration of Dwight D. Eisenhower! And, unemployment under Jimmy Carter was a quarter of what it was in 1934!
February 5th, 2008 at 5:42 pmGotta go. I want to lay in the weeds and ambush the trolls on the next thread up.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:43 pmThe green and white capsules should do the trick.
Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 5:40 pm
So, they work WELL for YOU and MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA when you’re licking his azs??
Sorry, two TRAITORS like YOU and Bush doesn’t mean much to me.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:43 pmI always suspected VK was stoned out of his mind when posting here.
The irony is that I am still a hundred times smarter than you.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:44 pmMission Accomplished.
Buck Fush
February 5th, 2008 at 5:44 pmI am leaving this thread in the capable hands of Colonel Jack.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:44 pmWhen, I was younger, I could get gasoline at about 11 cents per gallon. That was in 1957. That represents a growth factor of 7.43% per year over 50 years. If the DOW had experienced a similar growth, it would be at about 90,000 today.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:47 pmWhile we wait for that answer expect wages to continue to decline as the (illegal) labor pool expands.
Comment by 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda
This is a well thought plan: see how much you can squeeze the working class of countries before they start rioting.
If they start rioting, you begin talking about national security, about how communists have infiltrated and how evil are workers (somebody remember Margaret Thatcher calling the English striking miners: the enemy within? See Billy Elliot)
If the people keep complaining they loose the leash a little, they give them some crumbles of the cake and everyone is happy again, but they will get your retirement money, your health security money and you will buy their products at the price they want.
I’m not talking about govts, I’m talking about corporations, governement just watch out over the people so they give up their rights and money without disturbances.
It’s a plan. It’s working…but it won’t last.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:47 pmI always suspected VK was stoned out of his mind when posting here. This proves it.
Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 5:42 pm
And what kind of DRUGS has TRAITOR Bush been on to commit SO MUCH TREASON AGAINST THE USA?
Oh, the ones YOU take to be a TRAITOR to the USA.
Ahhh….
February 5th, 2008 at 5:48 pmBTW, you TREASONOUS DoD PSYOPS will be with Bush and TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan for your support of GENOCIDE and LIES.
USA! USA!
February 5th, 2008 at 5:49 pmUSA! USA!
USA! USA!
USA! USA!
Walt, somebody told me that before the 70’s energy crisis, the fuel was NOT taken into account as a part of the costs of operation of a power plant. Is that true?
February 5th, 2008 at 5:49 pmFred, you may want to do some reading about the Free Trade Agreements before you get too far down this road. Look at the loss of jobs, for one thing.
Comment by gummitch
Are you trying to tell me that the lions share of the economic problems we face now are becase of Bill clinton & Nafta and not because of borrow and spend bush?
Are you going to tell me that the corruption in the economic sector that always follows the republicans to power is not a much larger issue….s&l under raygun…..prime now?
That the money spent for the war does not play a much larger part in our problems than nafta.
You know I wasn’t for nafta…I didn’t think clinton had his heart in it either…it was Bush I’s baby…..
I am going to blame our current problems on bush…..not clinton.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:51 pmYou know, good golly brings up 1979 at the end of the Carter administration. Maybe we should expand on that. In 1979, we were the world’s largest creditor nation. Then came the “Reagan revolution.” 28 years later, we are the worlds largest debtor nation. Nice going, conservatives. Great job! Carter suggested that we develop alternative energy so as not to be dependent upon middle east oil. He installed solar panels on the Whitehouse roof. Reagan’s first act upon moving in was to have those solar panels taken down. Nice going, conservatives. Great call!
February 5th, 2008 at 5:53 pmI always suspected VK was stoned out of his mind when posting here. This proves it.
Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 5:42 pm
Nothing like a hit of Albuterol in the afternoon, is there?
February 5th, 2008 at 5:54 pmNo pills here Arn. You apparantly take enough for both of us combined, but need some work on getting the right combination though. When was the last time you visited your shrink? It seems like you are overdue.
Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 5:51 pm
I take NO pills, contrary to your USUAL RapeubliNazi LIES.
However, MURDERER Bush and YOU
ARE certainly COXUCKER punk TRAITORS to the USA, who will be in hell with TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan, the Big Oil DUPE/MORON.
It is your NATURE to be TRAITORS to the USA.
“HOT, MASTER Satan, SO HOT!”
–TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan, waiting for the Bushes and YOU!
USA! USA!
February 5th, 2008 at 5:55 pmUSA! USA!
USA! USA!
USA! USA!
I am going to blame our current problems on bush…..not clinton.
Comment by Fred — February 5, 2008 @ 5:51 pm
I’m not exempting Bush, but the critical loss of jobs overseas started before he took office. We don’t need the DLC back in the White House, either.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:55 pmSomeone call 9-1-1. I think Arn passed out.
Comment by good_golly
Rudy?
February 5th, 2008 at 5:59 pmYou know, good golly brings up 1979 at the end of the Carter administration. Maybe we should expand on that. In 1979, we were the world’s largest creditor nation. Then came the “Reagan revolution.†28 years later, we are the worlds largest debtor nation. Nice going, conservatives. Great job! Carter suggested that we develop alternative energy so as not to be dependent upon middle east oil. He installed solar panels on the Whitehouse roof. Reagan’s first act upon moving in was to have those solar panels taken down. Nice going, conservatives. Great call!
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — February 5, 2008 @ 5:53 pm
Not just “stupid choices”, Colonel.
Calculated moves that keep the USA as energy-slaves to Big Oil.
30 years would have gotten us ENERGY INDEPENDENCE.
“Paved over” by the TRAITORS of Big Oil and their mouthpieces, the Bush WAR CRIMINALS.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:01 pmI’m not exempting Bush, but the critical loss of jobs overseas started before he took office. We don’t need the DLC back in the White House, either.
Comment by gummitch
I couldn’t agree more………I just think it’s a hell of a stretch to blame clinton and nafta for what is happening now…..sorry.
and as much as I agree about the dlc……they are still not the gop.
no dlc president would have taken us to Iraq…..
no dlc president would have us toruturing
no dlc president would have us worrying about unitary presidential powers.
lets just keep things in perspective, ok?
February 5th, 2008 at 6:02 pmComment by Juan C. — February 5, 2008 @ 5:49 pm
Juan,
February 5th, 2008 at 6:02 pmActually, it was. But the infrastructure provided the bulk of the costs - generators, burners, labor and idle time for maintenance. I worked as an intern at Texas Power and Light. We would work out all of those factors in a manual spreadsheet on a daily basis. Difficult task when your ‘computer’ was an adding machine teamed with a K&E slide rule. I still have the slide rule.
Oh shoot. Arn ran out of pills. VK, maybe you can share before he passes out and meets his MASTER SATAN.
Comment by good_golly
gg
February 5th, 2008 at 6:04 pmdo you want your grade reduced again…verbalkint gave me the authority to do that if you don’t do your assigned work…..
Oh shoot. Arn ran out of pills. VK, maybe you can share before he passes out and meets his MASTER SATAN.
Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 6:02 pm
Again, that’s ALL that you TRAITOR RapeubliNazis can do is PROJECT.
You KNOW that YOUR TREASON and support of MURDERER Bush’s LIES and GENOCIDE is a SURE TICKET to see your MASTER Satan.
And you WILL get to BURN with TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan, your TREASONOUS “hero”, so I’m sure you’re looking forward to it.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
February 5th, 2008 at 6:04 pmWe can have energy independence, but the Dems keep blocking it.
Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 6:03 pm
Too late, TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan SCRAPPED energy independence for the USA.
Which is WHY he is a TRAITOR and BURNING IN HELL for his Iran/Contra WAR CRIMES.
Just like TRAITOR Bush.
I will DANCE, as will the WORLD, the day Bush DROPS DEAD and goes to hell with YOUR MASTER Satan.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Go God!
February 5th, 2008 at 6:07 pm144 Walt….no TI-86 or excel yet?
February 5th, 2008 at 6:08 pmI’ve got a boy who is a jr….elect. engineer.
What, Tracey is a girl. Wonders never cease. I guess we were all wrong. Tracey is a girl. Okay fine by me.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:12 pmOf course Daryll hates America, after all, that’s what religion is all about, God (greed) before country.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:15 pmLet it continue to plunge. My euro/real investment, as well as the value of my gold bullion coins, will continue to increase.
Comment by Daryll — February 5, 2008 @ 6:13 pm
And your IMMORTAL SOUL is going with TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan and TRAITOR George Bush, to be with your MASTER Satan.
BURN WELL, RapeubliNazi.
REAL Americans will appreciate you being with your MASTER Satan.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:16 pmwow, this one brought out the Trolls…
John Kerry - War Hero, welcome back sir. Thank you for your service during Vietnam, and opposing the war that resmebles the current one.
Good_golly, don’t you have terrorists to behead in the name of democracy?
Why do the wrongwingers hate Wall Street?!
February 5th, 2008 at 6:18 pmSo, what is the down payment on a krugerrand these days, Daryll?
And how many installments left until you take possession, 25, 30?
February 5th, 2008 at 6:19 pmYou can always tell where the trolls are, evil_framers.
Just look for the thread w/ the high post count.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:20 pmHey Daryll, how’s your dumbfu(k elect Huckster doin’ tonight??
Any predictions of electoral delegates? Winner takes all you know.
Your prognosticative abilities are on par with your intellect. Close to zero.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:28 pmVerbalKint I think Tracy2 has a crush on ya…..better watch out, I think they use whips and such….
February 5th, 2008 at 6:35 pmThe funding for hospitals would become like it is for public schools which is common knowledge that the burecratic process and underfunding turns out sub par cheap school construction.
Comment by Tracy2
that is an administrative decision……you can’t say that the next administration would behave like these morons….on education or healthcare…..or it’s buildings…….and isn’t it sad that you would make such a statement and as an American why haven’t you done anything to try to chang that?
February 5th, 2008 at 6:39 pm162 tracy2 old girl, are you still stressing over that? Most of us have moved on honey.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:43 pm144 Walt….no TI-86 or excel yet?
I’ve got a boy who is a jr….elect. engineer.
Comment by Fred — February 5, 2008 @ 6:08 pm
Fred,
February 5th, 2008 at 6:47 pmWhen I went to school, the computers used vacuum tubes and were available in two versions - digital and analog. Plus we used punch cards or jumper boards instead of floppies, CDs, DVDs or memory sticks. The only plus was that you could nap behind or in the machines and enjoy the warmth. And no, Excel and the TI-86 were not there.
“… the burecratic process and underfunding turns out sub par cheap school construction.”
Comment by Tracy2
Ya mean, like the “quality” of the rebuilding in Iraq???
February 5th, 2008 at 6:51 pmWow, Dickless Tracy, you work in a piss poor part of the country, then
February 5th, 2008 at 6:52 pmOur public schools that were recently built in our town are green, state of the art, and built to last fifty years. Why aren’t you passing decent school levies? Why do you hate your children?
167 captain
You are criminal scum and will not be debated. You need to learn that your beliefs are not just wrong but criminal and absolutely immoral. You and the scum like you have too long gained a semblance of legitimacy by claiming that they have a right to civil debate. You do not.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:59 pmVK, take your “homework†and shove it. I don’t take assignments from the likes of you, particularly when it comes to studying fake numbers skewed by the Reid’s “Democratic Caucus.â€
Comment by good_golly — February 5, 2008 @ 5:03 pm
Ahh,I see……..
You don’t believe Reid based upon party affiliation ; yet , you find a habitually lying , military deserting , drunken loser’s words to be akin to gospel …………..
Great rationale there , skid mark.
February 5th, 2008 at 7:18 pmBeing the little prick that you are you must be a rich boy living in a rich school district.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 5, 2008 @ 7:17 pm
Ever view your retarded simian hero Chimpy in that manner ?
You should ; you just described the cowardly little jerkoff to a “t”……..
February 5th, 2008 at 7:20 pmI have been trying to change it by advocating LESS government involvement in many areas of American’s lives. Centralized decision making, the way liberals want is not efficient or effective.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 5, 2008 @ 7:13 pm
February 5th, 2008 at 7:27 pmBut criminal and incompetent , the way the GOP does it , is ?
I have been trying to change it by advocating LESS government involvement in many areas of American’s lives.
Comment by Tracy2
Well, no wonder you’ve been failing….you’re trying to do what bush does…..in case you haven’t noticed….everything the conservtives have touched has turned to shit…..so much for it being the liberals fault….
I just think you should try a little harder….put on more makeup….feel better about yourself and you will do better I’m sure.
If that doesn’t make my postion clear please see post #168 and pretend it’s addressed to you.
February 5th, 2008 at 7:33 pmNo, they stink when it comes to making decisions as do the liberal Democrats. You don’t seem to don’t get it. Less decisions being made from Washington is the way to go….not who makes them.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 5, 2008 @ 7:32 pm
February 5th, 2008 at 7:33 pmWho are these “liberal Democrats” you claim are making these decisions ?
Less decisions being made from Washington is the way to go….not who makes them.
Comment by Tracy2
how would you know……you build crappy schools for our kids and you know it when you’re doing it…..
February 5th, 2008 at 7:35 pmI still have the slide rule.
Comment by WaltTheMan
Heh. I’ve heard about those ancient artifacts.
Thank you for the response.
February 5th, 2008 at 7:39 pmit’s always fun when gg tries to be funny…
kind of like watching a two year old learning to swim.
so cute!
February 5th, 2008 at 7:40 pmhave been trying to change it by advocating LESS government involvement in many areas of American’s lives. Centralized decision making, the way liberals want is not efficient or effective.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 5, 2008 @ 7:13 pm
Do you wish to be more specific? Where do you think there should be less government. If less government is better, why not no government? Should we move away from labor and environmental laws. Maybe let private industry handle defense. Get the government out of the currency markets and let the states just print up their own dough. Then again if fed government intervention is so bad why not get rid of state regs too?
February 5th, 2008 at 7:48 pmIn six to nine months pundits will be saying that it is not a DEPRESSION!
February 5th, 2008 at 7:52 pmcappy and Tracy2,
I read this post by JMOHR and I agree with it so much that I can’t help but adhere to most of it……cap this should aleve your slurs about me being too lazy to debate you……
tracy, you come here slingin slurs against liberals…….I get how you feel dude…..read the following so that you will understand how I feel about you.
February 5th, 2008 at 8:06 pmComment by dbadass — February 5, 2008 @ 7:48 pm
I think those who want government interference completely out of their lives won’t be happy until there are no STOP signs or traffic lights.
February 5th, 2008 at 8:14 pm“Is this the new ‘progressive’ or the old Hitler? I’m confused?”
Refer to Coulter’s “invade their countries, and convert them to christianity,” for guidance.
February 5th, 2008 at 8:32 pm“Does Tracy2 sentiment qualify as subhuman vermin?”
Did Coulter’s?
February 5th, 2008 at 8:36 pm“Is Ann here?”
Comment by CaptainMantastic —
Have you ever condemned Ann’s statements?
They’re here.
February 5th, 2008 at 8:38 pm“To be honest, I thought there was more to you.”
Comment by CaptainMantastic
I’m just a little set aback by your selective outrage.
February 5th, 2008 at 8:40 pmwhy are you here mantastic…….that answers the question..
February 5th, 2008 at 8:45 pmOddly Enough, the level of unemployment fell.
Could this finally make the wingnuts admit that there are those who have been looking for work for so long that they have fallen off the radar (and as far as the statistics are concerned, have fallen off the edge of the earth) ???
February 5th, 2008 at 8:46 pmI’m just a little set aback by your selective outrage.
Comment by barfly — February 5, 2008 @ 8:40 pm
good point. they are selective.
February 5th, 2008 at 9:08 pmIt’s better to have a recession than an economy that fails completely, i.e. a state run economy.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 5, 2008 @ 5:06 pm
How old are you, 12?
February 5th, 2008 at 9:24 pmHave you ever lived through a real recession like the one caused by Raygun/Daddy Bush?
2001 was just a mild “correction” compared to that one. People were traveling state to state looking for non existing jobs, unless you wanted to work flipping burgers.
To be honest, I thought there was more to you.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — February 5, 2008 @ 8:39 pm
Got a problem with what someone posted, talk to them or flag them. Attacking other posters is BS and you are intentionally derailing the thread from the subject.
February 5th, 2008 at 9:33 pmI have been trying to change it by advocating LESS government involvement in many areas of American’s lives. Centralized decision making, the way liberals want is not efficient or effective.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 5, 2008 @ 7:13 pm
We already had that experiment, back in the 1800s. Historians call it the Robber Baron Era.
February 5th, 2008 at 9:36 pmCentralized decision making, the way liberals want is not efficient or effective. Comment by Tracy2 — February 5, 2008 @ 7:13 pm
What in the current admin has been effective? Government has grown by some 35% under Bush and the problem with the market is from deregulation. The Iraq war is NOT paying for itself. Inflation is high. Debt is high, the price of food is rising quickly. People are not saving money. What your repeating is the exact same ideology that got us into this mess,
February 5th, 2008 at 9:57 pmThe Bush budget is 3 trillion and that doesnt include more war costs.
Does Tracy2 really think that the budget will decrease if we continue the path we are on?
No way. Its physically impossible that more of the same will result in a balanced budget.
February 5th, 2008 at 9:59 pmCentralized decision making, the way liberals want is not efficient or effective. Comment by Tracy2
this says it all for tracy2…….
February 5th, 2008 at 10:07 pmI think those who want government interference completely out of their lives won’t be happy until there are no STOP signs or traffic lights.
Comment by Little Freep Goofballs — February 5, 2008 @ 8:14 pm
That’s the part I don’t get. It is so bipolar. On one hand they are freaking out about those they see as being less than American while on the other they are freaking about how bad the big bad government is. What is up with that?
February 5th, 2008 at 10:21 pmRemember being a liberal you don’t have much say this free market country.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 5, 2008 @ 7:45 pm
This isn’t a free market country,a nd never will be. It is a Liberal Democracy,a nd was designed as such. Too bad for you and your ignorant, backwards, loser ideology. Time for you to get out of the way and let us fix your mess, again.
February 5th, 2008 at 10:28 pmDemocrats are the ones who have balanced the budget; Republicans have never come close.
February 5th, 2008 at 10:29 pmYes I know it hard to get things changed that are so intrenched, i.e. Social Security for example, that we will be paying out the ass for decades to come and I will never see a dime in benefits. Comment by Tracy2 — February 5, 2008 @ 7:45 pm
You will NEVER see a dime? Then stop smoking, and loose 200 pounds so you don’t DIE OF BEING TOO FAT AND STUPID before you RETIRE - MORON!
“everything the conservtives have touched has turned to shit…..so much for it being the liberals fault….â€
Liberals created the shit, so how can it get worse? Comment by Tracy2 — February 5, 2008 @ 7:45 pm
George Bush? Or maybe a TARD like YOU? Before LIBERALS CREATED the sh*t as you call it, the poverty rate was 40%, it dropped to 11% under Clinton. It’s back to 14% under Bush. Sorry, but it ALWAYS GETS WORSE under the GOP! TARD!
You aren’t the moral authority over ANYONE though and can’t make such demands. Remember being a liberal you don’t have much say this free market country.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 5, 2008 @ 7:45 pm
ROTFL!!! It’s HYSTERICAL to hear the HYPOCRITICAL FAT STUPID TARDS lecturing about MORAL AUTHORITY!! HYSTERICAL!!!
Oh and TARD it was WE LIBERALS that FOUNDED THE CONCEPT OF A FREE EVERYTHING, without US you’d still be owing your economic fortunes to the KING just as your MODERN DAY WELFARE GOP QUEENS like BLACKWATER/HALLIBURTON look to KING GEORGE for his IRAQI/Government HANDOUTS!!! You’re a MORON, FATSO!
February 5th, 2008 at 10:54 pmI have been trying to change it by advocating LESS government involvement in many areas of American’s lives. Centralized decision making, the way liberals want is not efficient or effective.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 5, 2008 @ 7:13 pm
ROTFL!!! LESS GOVERNMENT? You mean like government interfering in WHO PEOPLE CAN MARRY or what they can DO WITH THEIR OWN BODIES? ROTFL, you’re a TARD and a FOOL you STUPID LITTLE HYPOCRITE!
February 5th, 2008 at 10:56 pmI might surprise you, but I am just as happy as you hateful liberals are about the economy tanking. Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — February 5, 2008 @ 11:46 pm
Of COURSE you’re HAPPY WITH A TANKING ECONOMY, it’s the ONLY THING YOU CAN COUNT ON FROM THE GOP!!! It’s the ONLY THING you DO WELL except HATE and PROJECT!
No new taxes, asswipes! I dare a Democrat President to raise taxes in a recession. You will lose it all if you do that. Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — February 5, 2008 @ 11:46 pm
Actually BILL raised taxes when he inherited the BUSH-I recession and the ECONOMY BOOMED! You TARDS should leave the economy to DEMOCRATS since you OBVIOUSLY don’t know what you’re doing!
Good luck with Hillary as your candidate - she is the GOP’s best hope to retain power.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — February 5, 2008 @ 11:46 pm
ROTFL!!! Why are you TARDS even RUNNING A CANDIDATE THIS YEAR! If you really believe you can beat ANY DEMOCRAT, you should REALLY UP YOUR MEDS! Hillary or Obama will BOTH SHRED you hateful little pr*cks!
February 6th, 2008 at 12:17 amFor those that don’t know it, if you use the statistics from PRE-REAGAN, we’ve been in a recession for the last two quarters. That’s why most americans BELIEVE there’s a RECESSION - BECAUSE THERE IS!
Time to TAX BUSINESSES and RICH PEOPLE and SPEND OURSELVES OUT OF THIS MESS!
February 6th, 2008 at 12:18 amGood luck with Hillary as your candidate - she is the GOP’s best hope to retain power.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — February 5, 2008 @ 11:46 pm
Who of your Rapeublic candidates can beat her?
BOTH McSenile and MoRonney are TRAITORS and azslickers of MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA.
REAL Americans are wise to their TREASON.
Democrats will WIN the PRESIDENCY.
And then ARREST Bush anc Cheney for TREASON and WAR CRIMES.
USA! USA!
February 6th, 2008 at 12:20 amUSA! USA!
USA! USA!
USA! USA!
Good luck with Hillary as your candidate - she is the GOP’s best hope to retain power.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — February 5, 2008 @ 11:46 pm
The GOP has already abdicated its power, now that it’s down to 20% or so. Hillary will rip your heads off and shit down your necks, and the people will cheer as you are all led to prison. You pigs are done for.
February 6th, 2008 at 12:21 amThe second Bush recession will destroy the GOP, and we will bury it with either Obama or Clinton. America knows that the failure of the GOP to defend the USA (thanks for 9/11), protect the USA (thanks for katrina) or grow the USA (thanks for the 2nd Bush recession) means an end to that party of perverts, thieves, liars and sociopaths. Finally, we’ll have a strong, free country to be proud of, instead of a bloodthirsty, losing, torturing, terrorist third-rate banana republic.
February 6th, 2008 at 12:25 amWell, if you won’t debate anyone that disagrees with you, how much progress can there be?
Sounds pretty short-sighted, but I’m sure you know what you’re doing:
http://www.alexa.com/ data/ details/ traffic_details/ thinkprogress.org
Comment by CaptainMantastic — February 6, 2008 @ 1:07 am
Jeezus, Cap’n, are you just playing around, or are you really that dense?
You’re pretending that the trolls here like GiGi, LAFWH, Tracy2, Troll John Kerry. et al, bring the potential for any kind of debate to this forum. If you have tried to discuss anything intelligently with any of them, or even witnessed anyone making such an attempt, you’d have to admit that they and their brethren add nothing but page hits to the discussion.
To try to make the claim that progressives are “short-sighted” for refusing to take them seriously after they’ve proven themselves and their worth is just foolish.
February 6th, 2008 at 1:22 amRalph…..you do as you please…I’m not engaging anymore…I will talk about them….and it will not be nice because it will be the truth, but I will not acknowledge or respond to their digs.
February 6th, 2008 at 10:12 ampost 187 is why cap has his panties in a wad…
and tracy is right about one thing….i have no authority over anyone else to do this….fact is I never implied that I did….only tracy implied it….
everyone has to decide for themselves……peace.
February 6th, 2008 at 10:23 amVK, take your “homework†and shove it. I don’t take assignments from the likes of you, particularly when it comes to studying fake numbers skewed by the Reid’s “Democratic Caucus.â€
Comment by good_golly
February 6th, 2008 at 10:25 amRalph…..you do as you please…I’m not engaging anymore…I will talk about them….and it will not be nice because it will be the truth, but I will not acknowledge or respond to their digs.
Comment by Fred — February 6, 2008 @ 10:12 am
Agreed.
Just put the TRUTH out in the open:
MURDERER Bush is a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA, and deserves to burn in hell along with TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan (DEAD)
They try to get you off-topic by attacking you PERSONALLY, so just IGNORE THEM and tell the TRUTH about their TREASONOUS “heroes”
Actually when typing, if youi hit the “p” instead of the “o”, the are “herpes”, which is probably more accurate…
February 6th, 2008 at 10:30 amBut if goon_golly is making $50 by “buying low, selling high”, this means nothing.
February 6th, 2008 at 1:19 pmIt’s better to have a recession than an economy that fails completely, i.e. a state run economy.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 5, 2008 @ 5:06 pm
And what is an economy where corporations bribe the Government through lobbying to receive tax cuts? Looks as a state run economy, or better, a corporatocracy, not a democracy at all. Where is the difference with Mexico, where a few ultrarich people rule over millions of poor people? The appearence of freedom and democracy? Yeah, right.