On the NBC Today Show, liberal radio host Rachel Maddow, conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, and Democratic strategist Paul Begala discussed the importance of “change” in the upcoming election. Voters want a “clean break from Bush,” argued Maddow. Begala added that McCain does not represent that type of change:
BEGALA: If McCain wins, he’s running for a third term for Bush. He wants to make Bush’s Iraq war permanent, Bush’s economic program permanent.
Buchanan concluded the segment by arguing that McCain “will make Cheney look like Gandhi.” Watch it:
Yesterday, ThinkProgress released a video documenting the fact that the leading Republican candidates are mimicking Bush’s policies and are looking to institute a third Bush term.
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It truly scares one to realize that these Republicans are so retarded as to believe such crap.
February 6th, 2008 at 10:21 amleading Republican candidates are mimicking Bush’s policies and are looking to institute a third Bush term.
Since the first two terms went oh so well….
February 6th, 2008 at 10:21 amWas this said at a retard convention?
Gee, that wasn’t very PC of me, was it?
Let me repeat it, then…
Was this said at a retard convention?
February 6th, 2008 at 10:26 amI agree with Buchanan…McCain will not hesitate to create a military conflict,regradless of what will follow.
February 6th, 2008 at 10:35 amHe looks at the world from military window only.
How dare you insult and demean the mentally impaired by comparing them to Republicans?
February 6th, 2008 at 10:35 amYeah, I know, JMOHR…
That’s why I said it wasn’t very PC of me.
About, “Was this said at a door knob convention?”
But then, that’s demeaning to door knobs…
February 6th, 2008 at 10:38 amCheney look like Gandhi?
BigDick is going to have to lose a lot of weight…
February 6th, 2008 at 10:39 amDick Cheney before he Dicks you
February 6th, 2008 at 10:41 amI keep this rhetorical question over and over again, Is America ready for a African American president or a woman president??
Goddamn, its about time people stopped asking the freakin question and decided something. And If America is not ready, then its going to be one hell of a multi-year long Door Knob convention in the Capitol Hill folks!
Headline News
February 6th, 2008 at 10:44 amhttp://www.faceoftruth.com
The current Burning Bush is an omen. Just not the one that the Republican Presidential candidates think it is.
February 6th, 2008 at 10:44 amHOO-RAY! for rachel maddow !!!
February 6th, 2008 at 10:48 amso smart, so eloquent…
and she’s on OUR side! yay!
Seriously, let the leaders of the GOP continue to run on the comparisons of Bush’s failures. Let the voters believe that the most viable candidate is only a “3rd term Bush”.
February 6th, 2008 at 10:49 amThat would already increase the dramatic landslide victory of Obama or Hillary exponentially!!!
“Cheney look like Gandhi?
BigDick is going to have to lose a lot of weight…”
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
He could start by drinking a glass of his own urine every day…
February 6th, 2008 at 10:50 amI agree with Buchanan…McCain will not hesitate to create a military conflict,regradless of what will follow.
He looks at the world from military window only.
Comment by tarazan — February 6, 2008 @ 10:35 am
I wonder if McCain is in favor of reinstating the draft? Even though it’s political suicide, how else is he going to staff all the war and carnage he wants? Even Blackwater has a finite number of people.
Oh, and out of all the candidates (except Ron Paul), McCain is probably the least likely to let a little thing like “political suicide” influence him. Getting Congress to go along with him is a different story…
February 6th, 2008 at 10:51 amThe FREEPERS call McCain McInsane and say he’s too crazy to trust with his finger on the button. What a loon. It’ll come out in the general . . . but only if we and the Dems hammer the HELL out of him.
February 6th, 2008 at 10:56 amHe could start by drinking a glass of his own urine every day…
Comment by barfly — February 6, 2008 @ 10:50 am
Isn’t that the main ingredient in the neocon kool-aid?
February 6th, 2008 at 10:58 amPerhaps BigDick can use it to wash down that heapin’ helpin’ of… crow he’s going to be eatin’ soon.
February 6th, 2008 at 11:08 amWHAT I actually agree with Buchanan on something?
Strange days indeed.
Buck Fush
February 6th, 2008 at 11:11 amplease, don’t count those chickens too soon!
you know damn well this is NOT in the bag…
BushCo will not go away easily… it WILL get ugly…
i will not breath easy until next january…
February 6th, 2008 at 11:16 amTo the hopelessly thick GOPers out there who still divorce themselves from reality, the neocons haven’t got a shot in hell of winning the presidency this year. Here are some facts, not that they mean anything to most Republicans, that you should find illuminating. Yesterday in California, just under 2,000,000 more voters voted for DEMOCRATS than voted for REPUBLICANS. In New York, just over 1,000,000 more. In Missouri, 235,835 more. Is there a Republican out there who believes that McCain can unite the Republicans and motivate more than an additional 3,235,835 Republicans to vote for him in just the 3 states of California, New York and Missouri? Are there any Republicans out there who believe that an Obama/Clinton or a Clinton/Obama Democratic ticket would reduce the number of voters would would vote Democratic? Democrats are significantly garnering more votes during the primary elections and will garner even more in the general election. Conservative/right-wing Republicans loathe McCain. The right’s media pundits are cruxcifing McCain every day and demotivating their flocks from going to the polls in November. Our next president will be Obama or Clinton because the Republicans can’t get enough of their voters to the polls during the primaries let alone come November. It’s all over but the celebrations and the next 16 years of Democrats in the White House.
February 6th, 2008 at 11:16 amI keep this rhetorical question over and over again, Is America ready for a African American president or a woman president??
Comment by Headline News — February 6, 2008 @ 10:44 am
Yes.
February 6th, 2008 at 11:21 amHe could start by drinking a glass of his own urine every day…
Comment by barfly — February 6, 2008 @ 10:50 am
Isn’t that the main ingredient in the neocon kool-aid?
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian — February 6, 2008 @ 10:58 am
Technically, no. If you look at the ingredients list, the blood of the poor and innocent makes up a slightly higher percentage of the mixture.
February 6th, 2008 at 11:22 amComment by Headline News — February 6, 2008 @ 10:44 am
If we could handle eight years of bad grammar and extended vacation time, we can handle a president who happens to be black and/or female.
February 6th, 2008 at 11:25 amAmerica has spoken: The Conservative movement is *dead*
February 6th, 2008 at 11:26 amThinkprogress should recognize individual commenters of great insight with the ThinkPlus Award ($50 and an individual thread of recognition). MissMolly should be the first recipient.
February 6th, 2008 at 11:30 amThinkPlus Award ($50 and an individual thread of recognition). MissMolly should be the first recipient.
Comment by McWars — February 6, 2008 @ 11:30 am
I second that!
February 6th, 2008 at 11:39 amI second that!
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian — February 6, 2008 @ 11:39 am
Thirded.
February 6th, 2008 at 11:42 amComment by toasterhead — February 6, 2008 @ 11:42 am
I nominate myself.
:-P
February 6th, 2008 at 11:45 amI keep this rhetorical question over and over again, Is America ready for a African American president or a woman president??
Comment by Headline News
Well, 75% of the people in this country think that we are ready. The other 25%, there really is nothing we can do about them. I get the feeling that they were all dropped on their heads as infants.
February 6th, 2008 at 11:54 amosage @ 11:16 am - i’m not worried about WINNING…
i’ve a very bad feeling this will NOT be about a contest…
it will be about STEALING THE ELECTION…
and that will be the GOOD news…
February 6th, 2008 at 11:55 amFourthed.
February 6th, 2008 at 11:57 amWHAT I actually agree with Buchanan on something?
Comment by Buckie Boy
I actually agree with about half of what Buchanan says. It’s too bad the other half is so terrifying. He is really a conflicted human being.
February 6th, 2008 at 11:59 amIf McCain would make Cheney look like Gandhi, who would Mittanny look like?
-Satan
-Exxon
-Nixon
I think Bill Maher has the best idea…exhume Reagan, prop him up in a limo convertible & drive around the Middle East for awhile. AQ & Co will disappear into the Sahara forever.
February 6th, 2008 at 12:01 pmI keep this rhetorical question over and over again, Is America ready for a African American president or a woman president??
Comment by Headline News
Well, 75% of the people in this country think that we are ready. The other 25%, there really is nothing we can do about them. I get the feeling that they were all dropped on their heads as infants.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 6, 2008 @ 11:54 am
In Idaho - IDAHO!! - Obama destroyed Clinton. It was like 80% to 20 something when I went to bed. Idaho is 96% white, 50% female.
If Idaho is ready, where ISN”T ready?
February 6th, 2008 at 12:02 pmit will be about STEALING THE ELECTION…
and that will be the GOOD news…
Comment by katy
It will be the good news because that would mean we actually would have an election.
I personally think the Republicans won’t try to steal this election unless the race is a close one, and I doubt it will be. In order to steal an election, the race has to be close so that people will buy the fact that the Democrat who was leading by 4% loses by 4%. That is within the realm of possibility. If the spread is more like 10%, they will have a hard time flipping that vote because the people are not going to believe that the polls could be that wrong.
That’s how they lost the 2006 election. They figured on a 4% margin and the Democrats consistently took it by 6%, which showed they took it by 2%. If they hadn’t hacked the 2006 elections, we would have had many more Democrats in office right now because a lot of the Democrats lost by 2% or less.
February 6th, 2008 at 12:14 pmIf Idaho is ready, where ISNâ€T ready?
Comment by Keltoi
The deep south.
February 6th, 2008 at 12:15 pmIt will be the good news because that would mean we actually would have an election. […]
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 6, 2008 @ 12:14 pm
that’s what i’m talking about…
February 6th, 2008 at 12:18 pmi don’t even want to list all the bad news possibilities…
If Idaho is ready, where ISNâ€T ready?
Comment by Keltoi
The deep south.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 6, 2008 @ 12:15 pm
And the majority of the right-wing.
February 6th, 2008 at 12:25 pmIf Idaho is ready, where ISNâ€T ready?
Comment by Keltoi
The deep south.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 6, 2008 @ 12:15 pm
But he crushed her in SC and took Georgia last night. Sure, it was because of the black vote in the South, but there are very few blacks in Idaho. Maybe this means that white voters in the Mountain states of the NW don’t deserve their goose-stepping as much as the whites of the south deserve their hood-wearing reputation. He won in Alaska, too - no clue what to make of that.
February 6th, 2008 at 12:27 pmThe deep south.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 6, 2008 @ 12:15 pm
And the majority of the right-wing.
Comment by Dr. Matt — February 6, 2008 @ 12:25 pm
Neither of these demographics would be voting for a Democrat anyway, so the question is moot.
What I’m curious to see is how Obama does with evangelical voters. Particularly the anti-war, pro-environment, non-rapture-ready segment of evangelicals.
February 6th, 2008 at 12:42 pmI wonder if McCain is in favor of reinstating the draft? Even though it’s political suicide, how else is he going to staff all the war and carnage he wants? Even Blackwater has a finite number of people.
Comment by missmolly — February 6, 2008 @ 10:51 am
Granting Amnesty and citizenship to illegals if they sign up for the military
February 6th, 2008 at 12:45 pmBut he crushed her in SC and took Georgia last night. Sure, it was because of the black vote in the South, but there are very few blacks in Idaho. Maybe this means that white voters in the Mountain states of the NW don’t deserve their goose-stepping as much as the whites of the south deserve their hood-wearing reputation. He won in Alaska, too - no clue what to make of that.
Comment by Keltoi
That only says that the Democrats are ready, not that all voters are ready. I suspect that any conservative voter in the deep south is going to have a hard time voting for either Clinton or Obama.
In other parts of the country, though, I expect many moderate Republicans are going to cross the line and vote Democratic. There are a lot of Republicans out there who are so disgusted with their party because of their borrow and spend mentality and their nation building aspirations, they are more than willing to cross the line and vote for a Democrat. I suspect more would be willing to do it if Clinton is the nominee than would with Obama because Clinton is closer to moderate conservatives in ideology than Obama is.
February 6th, 2008 at 12:46 pmIf we could handle eight years of bad grammar and extended vacation time, we can handle a president who happens to be black and/or female.
Comment by McWars — February 6, 2008 @ 11:25 am
I could handle the eight years of bad grammar and vacation time; it’s the arrogance, incompetence, and disregard for the Constitution that I have a real problem with.
February 6th, 2008 at 1:02 pmgee, dela - isn’t it clinton the repugs want to run against?
February 6th, 2008 at 1:20 pmjust asking…
It’s very heartening to see Rachel on MSNBC (and occasionally on NBC’s Today Show!) to balance folks like Uncle Pat. Rachel does a FANTASTIC job of explaining the arcane workings of government, the 2 main parties and the world in general. I respect here, and am very proud that we are alike (Liberal, thoughtful, attracted to girls) ;-)
February 6th, 2008 at 1:21 pmNeither of these demographics would be voting for a Democrat anyway, so the question is moot.
Comment by toasterhead — February 6, 2008 @ 12:42 pm
You had best hope you are wrong - the Dems can’t win without cracking the South.
February 6th, 2008 at 1:28 pmIn other parts of the country, though, I expect many moderate Republicans are going to cross the line and vote Democratic. There are a lot of Republicans out there who are so disgusted with their party because of their borrow and spend mentality and their nation building aspirations, they are more than willing to cross the line and vote for a Democrat. I suspect more would be willing to do it if Clinton is the nominee than would with Obama because Clinton is closer to moderate conservatives in ideology than Obama is.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 6, 2008 @ 12:46 pm
I am one of the people you describe in the willingness to jump ship. But not for Hillary. Policy wise, there is little discernable difference in the two except on Iraq, and I am not sure Obama wouldn’t do better there for a variety of reasons. But the main thing about Hillary is that no matter what she SAYS her policies are, I can’t believe it isn’t just something she is saying because she thinks it will help her win. In fact, I can be pretty sure she IS just saying what she thinks will get her back in the WH. With Obama, I am daring to believe he believes what he says. The same is true of McCain, though his much longer record opens him to much more self-contradiciton.
Believing what a politician says. It is a new experience, I kinda like it.
February 6th, 2008 at 1:39 pmThere are only a dozen Democrats in Idaho. Idaho Republicans are trying to help John McCain by voting the weaker Democratic candidate in the Primary.
Comment by delafield — February 6, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
Not really….Amazingly, O. drew a crowd of over 10,000 in Boise. They couldn’t have all been Rs. In Coeur D’Alene, a city of 35,000, 1300 people showed up for a Democratic caucus last night. The guy has something that hasn’t been seen in a long time.
February 6th, 2008 at 1:42 pmYou had best hope you are wrong - the Dems can’t win without cracking the South.
Comment by Keltoi
The Democrats will crack the South. There are still enough people of good conscience in the South who will all vote Democratic. And then since the uber Religious right will all be staying home (this is a good thing), a Democrat should have no trouble taking southern states.
The truth is that many more Democrats voted in the primaries in the South than Republicans. That spells bad news for the Republicans.
February 6th, 2008 at 2:16 pmI am one of the people you describe in the willingness to jump ship. But not for Hillary. Policy wise, there is little discernable difference in the two except on Iraq, and I am not sure Obama wouldn’t do better there for a variety of reasons. But the main thing about Hillary is that no matter what she SAYS her policies are, I can’t believe it isn’t just something she is saying because she thinks it will help her win. In fact, I can be pretty sure she IS just saying what she thinks will get her back in the WH. With Obama, I am daring to believe he believes what he says. The same is true of McCain, though his much longer record opens him to much more self-contradiciton.
Believing what a politician says. It is a new experience, I kinda like it.
Comment by Keltoi
I agree with you about Clinton. But I will still vote for her if she is the candidate. McCain will continue to drive this country into a ditch. Even though she is more conservative than I would like, Clinton will try to get this country out of the ditch.
So who would you vote for if Clinton is the Democratic candidate? You seem to be indicating you like Obama because of his anti war stance so I really don’t see how you could vote for McCain if Clinton takes the nomination.
February 6th, 2008 at 2:19 pmHOO-RAY! for rachel maddow !!!
so smart, so eloquent…
and she’s on OUR side! yay!
Comment by katy
I totally agree with you about Rachel Maddow. She is awesome and she is the most literate representative we have in the news media (or infotainment) that we have today. I really hope that MSNBC gets smart and gives her a show of her own. I read somewhere that they are working with her on a show and I notice that she is turning up all over everywhere on MSNBC these days. She’s frequently on Countdown and she is a regular on Dan Abam’s show.
Then MSNBC could give Tweety Matthew’s spot to David Schuster. That would be a lock on that channel for me!
February 6th, 2008 at 2:25 pmRednecks, Bible Thumpers, Nazi’s and all sorts of like minded people will turn out in droves to vote against Hillary or Barack. I never imagined that Bush would get a second term. Who really thought it was possible? Anyone who thinks a third term of this disaster is not possible needs to look around. My Christian opinion about the book of Revelations is that it serves as a warning about things we should never do. These folks act like it’s a gameplan. I hope they studied their “Left Behind” videos. We must stand together to prevent McCain from being the next George Bush. Make sure your friends actually vote. And pray those votes get counted correctly.
February 6th, 2008 at 4:06 pmWell, making Cheney look like Gandhi will certainly be a “change.”
February 6th, 2008 at 4:16 pmSo who would you vote for if Clinton is the Democratic candidate? You seem to be indicating you like Obama because of his anti war stance so I really don’t see how you could vote for McCain if Clinton takes the nomination.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 6, 2008 @ 2:19 pm
Bilbo, you know I am no Kucinich fan, but if my choices were him and Hillary, I’d choose him. There never was nor ever could be any policy point, not even something as radically different as the DK or McCain positons on Iraq, that would allow me to support a return of Bill and Hillary to the WH. She is simply a non-starter for me. Please win, Barack, please….
February 6th, 2008 at 4:41 pmGentlemen and respected members of this august body, may I offer up thanks to our concerted efforts over these past few years. Last night’s primary vote totals show that our efforts to split and nullify the GOP have been proven successful.
While many Republicans turn out in mediocre numbers the base of their party have taken the bait. Our Dixie Land associates have successfully fed enough of our carefully crafted misinformation into the churches and clan halls of the south to push Our McCain into the lead throughout the nation.
As planned the Southern Evangelical voters have hoisted their champion, Huckabee, high upon their shoulders to proclaim their hate filled rhetoric and doctrines in a number of southern states. They have taken votes away from their only real conservative in this race and have separated themselves from the rest of the Republican voting block that is voting for a left leaning Republicrat we have dressed up as a war hawk.
The Kansas hate churches have separated the more intelligent factions of the GOP from the evangelicals and continue to spread the anti Romney message throughout multiple denominations and mega churches and luckily for us, all this they have done on their own. Ironically it seems that their hateful version of deity has punished their own voters in Arkansas and Tennessee with powerful tornados and storms for their voting last night.
The Our Giuliani Camp has successfully pushed forth legislation creating winner take all delegations for state primary elections. We knew Romney and Huckabee could not garnish enough votes to win major states so the winner take all delegation campaign has worked in our favor. Little do they know that by doing so they are moving more toward Democracy and less toward their beloved Republic ideals they so proudly tout.
Soon our efforts to separate the more independent and rational sectors of the GOP from the dregs of their fickle society will prove successful. We have increased the production of more yellow ribbon stickers and flags to be sold at the convenience stores throughout the South. We have even contracted another country music artist to record an emotional country song to amp up the fanatical patriots in their trailer parks. If the Republicans can consider bottom of the barrel their base, then this is all they will have left once this project is completed.
John McCain will most certainly obtain the nomination. Our money and influence will pay out in November. In the interim let us continue to make our calls into the talk radio and provide the wedge to split the party. The pundits can work for us in our favor. Let us continue to frame the “Liberals” of the Republican Party as a cancer that must be cut off.
Gentlemen I forecast the fracture of the GOP within 12 months. They cannot withstand the force of their own hate machine. Their guns of hate have been pointed at their own heads for the last 8 years. We have supplied the ammunition. All we have now to do is wait, while they dismember themselves in efforts to purify the Party of God.
While Democrats line up in record numbers trying to decide which candidate is the greatest the Republicans are lining up and voting for the Democrat we installed years ago. Eerily we have the neo-cons and Karl Rove’s minions to thank for this. We will continue to press forward in this fight and remember. The future is now in our hands. We have been given this opportunity by ones that opposed us for so long. Let us never forget our vision. The future is past. We have already won.
Sincerely,
W.O.F.
February 6th, 2008 at 9:07 pmIt scares me that I like Pat Buchanan more and more these days. Not that we agree with his politics of course but he makes sense when all the media pundits make none.
He is the only one that is practical to me on most political matters when they discuss the candidates and what the media is doing.
http://politicaldiscontent.blogspot.com
February 6th, 2008 at 9:18 pmI love it, all the Lefty Loonies on the radio are irate over the success so far of McCain. Hope they get all they deserve
February 6th, 2008 at 11:43 pmHillary will win in November against McCain or more of the same McBushIII. Obama cannot win, particularly now. Sure looks like to me that Obama is showing himself for the far left latte drinker that he has been since the start. Remember, divide and conquer in Europe by taking advantage of the youth and minority races? Starting to rack them up and the republicans will have a field day in November i.e. monster, NAFTAgate, his real plans for his Irag withdrawal revealed, small town slam and oh yeah, [W]right!!!! Obama’s latest truly revealing small small town slam calling “US” bitter, etc., finally shows him for the elitist rat that he has been from the start and has managed to hide thus far. Wake up America! He doesn’t care a thing about promoting anybody but himself. We need Hillary Clinton. We can still save the nominating process and the Democratic Party, if we do the right thing in the primaries left to come. Let’s not let the rest of America down. Decisive wins for Hillary in all remaining primaries will put Obama back in his rightful place- a rookie senator. We can still do this and I know the rest of “US” is counting on us. One last thing, where are the ranting raves by the MSM on this issue and why aren’t they running this over and over and over again? He will lose the nomination because he is finally identified as the inferior candidate. We have to beat McCain in the fall Americans. Vote Hillary for a victory for the Democrats in November, otherwise we’re doomed.
April 13th, 2008 at 11:03 am