Comments on: White House: We ‘Definitely Want To Consider’ Using Waterboarding Again http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:48:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: batteryfast http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-5284016 batteryfast Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:44:06 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/#comment-5284016 Do these people really think that we are that stupid? Do they really think we don’t know that Waterboarding is torture and therefore against the law. Do they really think we don’t know that the Bush Crime Family broke this law, along with the numerous laws they have broken? They are crazy and desperate. It’s scary what desperate people will do. That’s why I am very worried <a href="http://www.batterylaptoppower.com/acer/lcbtp03003.htm" rel="nofollow">acer lcbtp03003 battery</a>,<a href="http://www.batterylaptoppower.com/acer/btp-550p.htm" rel="nofollow">acer btp-550p battery</a> about what might happen in the remaining months of the Bush Crime Family’s rein of terror. Do these people really think that we are that stupid? Do they really think we don’t know that Waterboarding is torture and therefore against the law. Do they really think we don’t know that the Bush Crime Family broke this law, along with the numerous laws they have broken?

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]]> By: one more clue http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/comment-page-2/#comment-4257059 one more clue Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:41:23 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/#comment-4257059 It was bad enough when they pissed on our legs and told us it was raining. Now they're pissing on our leg and telling us "Yeah, we're pissing on your leg; here, let me sell you an umbrella." What's more amazing than their brazen, in your face, attitude, is the fact that 33% of the population appears willing to buy the umbrella. It was bad enough when they pissed on our legs and told us it was raining. Now they’re pissing on our leg and telling us “Yeah, we’re pissing on your leg; here, let me sell you an umbrella.” What’s more amazing than their brazen, in your face, attitude, is the fact that 33% of the population appears willing to buy the umbrella.

]]> By: 99Luf Balloons http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/comment-page-2/#comment-4256763 99Luf Balloons Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:03:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/#comment-4256763 1 202 456-1111 Call the WHitehouse and TELL THE TRAITOR THAT HE IS A TRAITOR. RIGHT TO HIS FACE. THE PIECE OF SHIIT. 1 202 456-1111
Call the WHitehouse and TELL THE TRAITOR THAT HE IS A TRAITOR. RIGHT TO HIS FACE. THE PIECE OF SHIIT.

]]> By: Max-1 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/comment-page-2/#comment-4256743 Max-1 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 06:56:16 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/#comment-4256743 . <b>SINCE WHEN IS TORTURE LEGAL?</b> "A rose by any other name(enhanced interrogation) is a rose(TORTURE) just the same." . .

SINCE WHEN IS TORTURE LEGAL?

“A rose by any other name(enhanced interrogation)
is a rose(TORTURE) just the same.”

.

]]> By: Brain From Planet Arous http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/comment-page-2/#comment-4256696 Brain From Planet Arous Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:03:41 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/#comment-4256696 Praedor, I agree. You have to add to this mix the fact that Democrats are complicit in the same crimes as the Bushies are. The common point between both Republicans and Democrats is AIPAC. Environmental Groups give to Demos, and Oil companies give to Repubs. They all have allegiance to another country. This is why Pelosi, Reid, and the rest will not upset the cart too much, and Kucinich and Ron Paul are relegated to the Bull Pen. Praedor, I agree. You have to add to this mix the fact that Democrats are complicit in the same crimes as the Bushies are. The common point between both Republicans and Democrats is AIPAC. Environmental Groups give to Demos, and Oil companies give to Repubs. They all have allegiance to another country. This is why Pelosi, Reid, and the rest will not upset the cart too much, and Kucinich and Ron Paul are relegated to the Bull Pen.

]]> By: Praedor http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/comment-page-2/#comment-4256649 Praedor Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:12:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/#comment-4256649 The reason they are pushing this now is that Bush/Cheney know that they have a bunch of losers in the Congress that will go along with ANYTHING Bush wants to avoid "unpleasantness". The same reason that Bush is pushing for telecom immunity is the reason for this torture admission now: With telecom immunity, Bush knows the Dems will fall all over themselves to give him what he wants: permanent protection from legal jeopardy. Telecom immunity forever protects Bush/Cheney from legal jeopardy in that regard. They smell sissy blood in the water (the Dems in Congress) so Bush is now pushing them further with torture. He KNOWS that the Dems will do ANYTHING to avoid holding the Administration to account for all the illegalities and in this case, since the Bushies have outright admitted to illegal torture, the Dems will do what Bush wants and give him immunity on that too. How? By immediately passing a law that specifically outlaws torture. How does this protect Bush and all the criminal torturers in the Administration? Simple. If Congress has to pass a law specifically declaring waterboarding to be illegal EVEN THOUGH IT IS ALREADY ILLEGAL, then they can and will argue that "It was in a grey area. See? Congress had to pass a law to make it clear! It obviously wasn't illegal BEFORE they passed a law making it illegal..." Ta-da! Free pass. AGAIN. The Dems adamantly <i>refuse</i> to face their Constitutional responsibilities. They ignore or turn away from ALL the crimes Bush has clearly committed and will continue to do so now. I mean, really. Name a SINGLE "investigation" initiated by the Dems in Congress that has gone ANYWHERE. You can't do it. ALL the so-called investigations are languishing on purpose. No subpoenas are issued, only hollow threats of subpoenas. Calls to appear before Congress are serially ignored with NO consequences. The Dems don't care. Hell, if anyone actually showed up and testified, the Dems would be FORCED to take action...so they are HAPPY when they are all no-shows. In fact, it would be better for Bush and Cheney if EVERYONE who has been asked to appear before Congress did so. Why? Because the Dems would immediately pass a slew of legislation that legalized or granted immunity to eveyone, including Bush and Cheney, for their crimes. That is what is happening with illegal domestic spying and it will happen now with torture. Just you wait. The Dems, instead of taking action based on a clearly illegal act (waterboarding always has been and always will be torture, and thus ILLEGAL) will give all the Bushies a get-out-of-jail-free card by quickly passing legislation outlawing waterboarding in particular. You read it here first folks. The reason they are pushing this now is that Bush/Cheney know that they have a bunch of losers in the Congress that will go along with ANYTHING Bush wants to avoid “unpleasantness”. The same reason that Bush is pushing for telecom immunity is the reason for this torture admission now: With telecom immunity, Bush knows the Dems will fall all over themselves to give him what he wants: permanent protection from legal jeopardy. Telecom immunity forever protects Bush/Cheney from legal jeopardy in that regard.

They smell sissy blood in the water (the Dems in Congress) so Bush is now pushing them further with torture. He KNOWS that the Dems will do ANYTHING to avoid holding the Administration to account for all the illegalities and in this case, since the Bushies have outright admitted to illegal torture, the Dems will do what Bush wants and give him immunity on that too. How? By immediately passing a law that specifically outlaws torture. How does this protect Bush and all the criminal torturers in the Administration? Simple. If Congress has to pass a law specifically declaring waterboarding to be illegal EVEN THOUGH IT IS ALREADY ILLEGAL, then they can and will argue that “It was in a grey area. See? Congress had to pass a law to make it clear! It obviously wasn’t illegal BEFORE they passed a law making it illegal…” Ta-da! Free pass. AGAIN.

The Dems adamantly refuse to face their Constitutional responsibilities. They ignore or turn away from ALL the crimes Bush has clearly committed and will continue to do so now. I mean, really. Name a SINGLE “investigation” initiated by the Dems in Congress that has gone ANYWHERE. You can’t do it. ALL the so-called investigations are languishing on purpose. No subpoenas are issued, only hollow threats of subpoenas. Calls to appear before Congress are serially ignored with NO consequences. The Dems don’t care. Hell, if anyone actually showed up and testified, the Dems would be FORCED to take action…so they are HAPPY when they are all no-shows.

In fact, it would be better for Bush and Cheney if EVERYONE who has been asked to appear before Congress did so. Why? Because the Dems would immediately pass a slew of legislation that legalized or granted immunity to eveyone, including Bush and Cheney, for their crimes. That is what is happening with illegal domestic spying and it will happen now with torture. Just you wait. The Dems, instead of taking action based on a clearly illegal act (waterboarding always has been and always will be torture, and thus ILLEGAL) will give all the Bushies a get-out-of-jail-free card by quickly passing legislation outlawing waterboarding in particular.

You read it here first folks.

]]> By: TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/comment-page-2/#comment-4256619 TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong Thu, 07 Feb 2008 02:32:25 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/#comment-4256619 "IMPEACH, dammit! IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH!!!" Comment by hauksdottir — February 6, 2008 @ 3:08 pm Just thought it beared repeting! ;) “IMPEACH, dammit! IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH!!!”

Comment by hauksdottir — February 6, 2008 @ 3:08 pm

Just thought it beared repeting! ;)

]]> By: TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/comment-page-2/#comment-4256617 TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong Thu, 07 Feb 2008 02:30:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/#comment-4256617 "You can force many issues to the edge of a debilitating and costly dispute knowing that those who really care will have to backdown." Comment by JMOHR — February 6, 2008 @ 3:05 pm Why do those that care have to back down? “You can force many issues to the edge of a debilitating and costly dispute knowing that those who really care will have to backdown.”

Comment by JMOHR — February 6, 2008 @ 3:05 pm

Why do those that care have to back down?

]]> By: zuch http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/comment-page-2/#comment-4256461 zuch Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:57:23 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/#comment-4256461 Must close tags. <b>Must</b> close tags. Wich we had an edit function. Sorry, folks. Cheers, Must close tags. Must close tags. Wich we had an edit function. Sorry, folks.

Cheers,

]]> By: zuch http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/comment-page-2/#comment-4256460 zuch Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:56:41 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/#comment-4256460 I've got <a href="http://leastdangerousbranch.blogspot.com/2008/02/ticking-time-bomb-in-theory-and-in.html" rel="nofollow">a longish post up on this latest bovine scat to come out of the maladministration. In one of the more egregious comments, Tony Fratto says that "any use of any enhanced interrogation technique depends on the circumstances: <b>who</b> is carrying out the interrogation" (and this isn't the first instance of the maladministration seeming to claim that "it's OK, cause <i>we're</i> doing it, and we don't do anything really <i>wrong</i>, you know...." More at the link; check it out. Cheers,</a> I’ve got a longish post up on this latest bovine scat to come out of the maladministration.

In one of the more egregious comments, Tony Fratto says that “any use of any enhanced interrogation technique depends on the circumstances: who is carrying out the interrogation” (and this isn’t the first instance of the maladministration seeming to claim that “it’s OK, cause we’re doing it, and we don’t do anything really wrong, you know….”

More at the link; check it out.

Cheers,

]]> By: Thor Watchman http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/comment-page-2/#comment-4256433 Thor Watchman Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:42:30 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/#comment-4256433 We can only hope the perpetrators will eventually be tried and conviceted of war crimes, to include the chain of command and the CIC. Perhaps their God can make a special circle in Hell where they can enjoy receiving water torture until Gabriel blows his horn. We can only hope the perpetrators will eventually be tried and conviceted of war crimes, to include the chain of command and the CIC.

Perhaps their God can make a special circle in Hell where they can enjoy receiving water torture until Gabriel blows his horn.

]]> By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/comment-page-2/#comment-4256417 Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:32:11 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/#comment-4256417 OK, Mr. Toughguy, AKA, "waterboarded," has had quite a while to respond to the fact that we have prosecuted our own officers and members of the Japanese military for waterboarding and I guess he's got nothin' but tough talk. Figures. OK, Mr. Toughguy, AKA, “waterboarded,” has had quite a while to respond to the fact that we have prosecuted our own officers and members of the Japanese military for waterboarding and I guess he’s got nothin’ but tough talk. Figures.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/comment-page-2/#comment-4256379 dbadass Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:14:07 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/#comment-4256379 but all terrorists are muslim. you do the math Comment by waterboarded — February 6, 2008 @ 6:35 pm FARC? but all terrorists are muslim. you do the math

Comment by waterboarded — February 6, 2008 @ 6:35 pm

FARC?

]]> By: Ret. Col. Jack Ripper http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/comment-page-2/#comment-4256370 Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:11:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/#comment-4256370 "waterboarded," I see you pretend not to notice post #78, which documents the fact that we prosecuted members of the Japanese army for performing the waterboarding technique on our own soldiers. In one case, a former member of Japanese intelligence was executed in part for performing waterboarding on one of Jimmy Doolittle's men. A number of American officers, beginning in the Phillipine Insurrection and up to the War in Viet Nam have been courtmarshalled for waterboarding. Why do you think this particular administration is above the law? Is the threat of terrorism greater than that of the axis during WWII or communists during the Cold War? If so, why? “waterboarded,” I see you pretend not to notice post #78, which documents the fact that we prosecuted members of the Japanese army for performing the waterboarding technique on our own soldiers. In one case, a former member of Japanese intelligence was executed in part for performing waterboarding on one of Jimmy Doolittle’s men. A number of American officers, beginning in the Phillipine Insurrection and up to the War in Viet Nam have been courtmarshalled for waterboarding.

Why do you think this particular administration is above the law? Is the threat of terrorism greater than that of the axis during WWII or communists during the Cold War? If so, why?

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/comment-page-2/#comment-4256368 dbadass Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:10:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/#comment-4256368 Comment by waterboarded — February 6, 2008 @ 6:49 pm Kahane Chai? Comment by waterboarded — February 6, 2008 @ 6:49 pm

Kahane Chai?

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/comment-page-2/#comment-4256357 dbadass Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:07:05 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/#comment-4256357 the terrorist ones…you know…look - not all muslims are terrorists…but all terrorists are muslim. you do the math Comment by waterboarded — February 6, 2008 @ 6:35 pm Well least that clears the ETA. I knew they were nothing more than Freedom Fighters the terrorist ones…you know…look – not all muslims are terrorists…but all terrorists are muslim. you do the math

Comment by waterboarded — February 6, 2008 @ 6:35 pm

Well least that clears the ETA. I knew they were nothing more than Freedom Fighters

]]> By: kasinca http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/comment-page-2/#comment-4256332 kasinca Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:57:17 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/#comment-4256332 The cowardly thugs of the Bush Crime Family are a terrorist organization. Prove me wrong. The cowardly thugs of the Bush Crime Family are a terrorist organization. Prove me wrong.

]]> By: waterboarded http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/comment-page-2/#comment-4256311 waterboarded Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:49:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/#comment-4256311 79 - ok thats one. 79 – ok thats one.

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/comment-page-2/#comment-4256300 katy Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:45:07 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/#comment-4256300 <em>Another boring troll. At least MA was entertaining. Comment by Juan C. @ 3:40 pm</em> *chuckle* i will catch hell for this, but i always got a kick out of some of her stuff... very clever at times... other times, really nasty... and, unforunately, that outweighed the good... Another boring troll. At least MA was entertaining.
Comment by Juan C. @ 3:40 pm

*chuckle*

i will catch hell for this, but i always got a kick out of some of her stuff…
very clever at times…
other times, really nasty… and, unforunately, that outweighed the good…

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/comment-page-2/#comment-4256295 katy Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:43:09 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/fratto-waterboarding/#comment-4256295 timmy mcveigh was a muslim? i did not know that... timmy mcveigh was a muslim?

i did not know that…

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