Super Tuesday’s Biggest Loser: Hate Radio
Super Tuesday’s Biggest Loser: Hate Radio
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) may have emerged with the most GOP delegates after yesterday’s Super Tuesday contests, but according to Brian Maloney at The Radio Equalizer, the real winner was right-wing hate radio:
Regardless of what the mainstream media might have you believe, talk radio emerged as last night’s biggest winner. It has nothing to do with actual election results, the medium simply has never been more influential than in 2008.
Don’t take your Radio Equalizer’s word for it: take a quick look at pre- and post- election coverage, it is truly difficult to find stories that don’t mention talk radio. Its role has absolutely dominated discussions of this year’s primary season.
Maloney is right that quite a few media stories have covered hate radio’s beef against McCain. But that’s because the media are always interested in the tragic demise of once powerful figures.
There’s no doubt that hate radio flourished under the Bush administration. Talkers have been invited to exclusive gatherings with President Bush and granted coveted interviews with high-ranking officials. Several people, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), noted the oversized role hate radio played in killing a comprehensive immigration bill last year.
But as the primary results have so far shown, hate radio may be on the decline. The majority of Republicans yesterday turned out and voted for McCain and Huckabee, rejecting the candidate chosen by the radical right and the xenophobic hype on immigration. A look at what the media pundits have been saying about the state of hate radio:
“The big loser in South Carolina was, in fact, talk radio: a medium that has unmistakably collapsed in terms of impact, influence and credibility because of its hysterical and one-dimensional involvement in the GOP nomination fight.” [Michael Medved, 1/19/08]
“Sean Hannity said a moment ago that he has his finger on the conservative pulse. The conservative talk radio and activist pulse. Immigration is the top issues for conservatives, for conservative Republicans. I just think there’s no evidence that’s the case of most voters and in most of the country.” [Bill Kristol, Fox News, 2/5/08]
“Can we please stop pretending that immigration is a good issue for Republicans? The restrictionist side can’t even produce a victory for their man in a Republican primary.” [David Brooks, 1/30/08]
“Mr. McCain’s emergence as the dominant candidate in the Republican field has generated an outcry from some of the party’s conservative stalwarts; Rush Limbaugh says a McCain nomination would destroy the Republican Party. We think Mr. McCain…would save the party from some of its worst and most self-destructive instincts.” [Washington Post, 2/6/08]
“Their [Limbaugh and Coulter’s] claim that Mr. McCain is not a conservative…is ludicrous, but it’s damaging to a party bloodied by eight years of the politics of George Bush and Karl Rove.” [New York Times, 2/6/08]
If power is shouting and being ignored, then hate radio is king.
UPDATE: Sarah Posner looks at James Dobson’s lack of influence.
UPDATE II: Cliff Kincaid has more on talk radio’s failures.
Falling ratings really make all the ‘hate tv/radio’ get even more stupid..lolol PANIC!!!!
February 6th, 2008 at 5:13 pmI’ll repeat it again: America soundly rejected conservatism yesterday.
Amen.
February 6th, 2008 at 5:13 pmboy, it’s funny that the republicscums have what they consider liberals running too……not a far righty to be found…..even huck if you discount his religious fanatacism….is way left of most righties….heh…
this has got to be eatin them alive……sleep well you traitors to man.
February 6th, 2008 at 5:16 pmI read a transcript the other day where one of Rushies fans said they thought that Rush was running America and how he should tell Romney and Huckabee to stop attacking one another.
Rush, of course, actually agreed [lol] he runs America.
February 6th, 2008 at 5:24 pmI think Rush is supporting Romney because of his ties to Bain which is taking over clear channel.
http://newsbusters.org/ blogs/ matthew-sheffield/ 2008/ 02/ 04/ huckabee-hints-clear-channel-conspiring-romney
February 6th, 2008 at 5:29 pmThe right talk radio group have badly overplayed their hand. Now watch and wait and see if they don’t start to find McCain not that bad.
It is similar to a defeated primary nominee. The person they were running against is scum, until they beat them, then they start saying nice things so they won’t be marginalized. Politics, politics…
February 6th, 2008 at 5:29 pmafter yesterday’s Super Tuesday contests, but according to Brian Maloney at The Radio Equalizer, the real winner was right-wing hate radio:
I’m not sure how he can say that the winner was right-wing hate radio. They all hate McCain and look how much influence they ended up in having on the vote. I personally believe that right wing hate radio is becoming marginalized. Most thinking adults are sick to death of them.
February 6th, 2008 at 5:30 pmI think this shows how sick Americans are of hate politics. Hillary tried it against Obama and it cost her. She is fighting to stay ahead. The right wing hate radio has been doing it, and McCain is way ahead.
February 6th, 2008 at 5:33 pmMcCain got momentum by winning florida. Without support from Florida Latinos, McCain would have lost to Romney.
I think all this anti Immigrant fervor has Backfired. Latinos voted in record numbers in California yesterday, and gave Hillary her victory.
February 6th, 2008 at 5:37 pmHate Radio will continue to fall, but may make a bit of a come back when our veto proof dem congress is in place along with a dem pres.
February 6th, 2008 at 5:37 pmI’m not sure how he can say that the winner was right-wing hate radio. They all hate McCain and look how much influence they ended up in having on the vote. I personally believe that right wing hate radio is becoming marginalized. Most thinking adults are sick to death of them.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 6, 2008 @ 5:30 pm
It’s all part of that pattern of making claims that are the exact opposite of observable facts. If “Talk Radio” was so damn influential, why did McCain do so well and Romney so poorly? It’s a very simple question, but people like Maloney have gotten so used to being able to say anything, without regard to reality, that they’re just going to keep doing it over and over.
February 6th, 2008 at 5:37 pmMost thinking adults are sick to death of them.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 6, 2008 @ 5:30 pm
True. Unfortunately, the “non-thinking adult” demographic still represents a huge share of the radio market.
February 6th, 2008 at 5:38 pmNothing pleases me more than to know that lard ass, big mouth Limbaugh is losing his “hold” over Republicans. He has spouted his venom for almost 20 years and it is about time he was told he is a nothing. He can always ride off in the sunset with his new 20 something girlfriend and be happy (only if he remembers to take his Viagra with him)
February 6th, 2008 at 5:41 pmIt is similar to a defeated primary nominee. The person they were running against is scum, until they beat them, then they start saying nice things so they won’t be marginalized. Politics, politics…
Comment by Keltoi — February 6, 2008 @ 5:29 pm
Maybe. Or maybe they are looking forward to being back in the Opposition. After all, without Clinton, Limbaugh wouldn’t have a career. All of the pro-occupation, anti-tax, anti-immigrant shtick is wearing thin with a lot of people and it’s just easier to write material about what a crappy job the jerk in the White House is doing.
February 6th, 2008 at 5:41 pmDon’t get too comfy, folks - right wingnuts may have been “losers” on Tuesday, but their influence on the minds of the ignorant whose brains have been damaged by the constant drumming of lies and propaganda is still very effective.
February 6th, 2008 at 5:43 pmAlso, what influence the right wingnuts have lost has been replaced by the right wing evangelicals.
I see that the racist hatemongers have lost a little, but the creationist Bible-thumpers have picked up what they lost and then some. So between them, they are a dangerous coalition of ignorance and hate.
If the far-right hatemongers on talk radio are all pushing for Romney and trashing everybody else, then maybe they do have an influence. Both McCain and Huckabee outscored Romney yesterday — I wonder how many votes they got from Republicans who wanted to disassociate themselves from the hate crowd?
Not that it matters. When McCain gets the nomination (and it looks at this point the only thing that will keep him from getting it is if one of his famous tantrums winds up on YouTube), Limbaugh, Hannity, and all the rest of them will embrace McCain — and probably claim they ALWAYS liked him — just to defeat Obama or Hillary.
And I don’t count on Ann Coulter to campaign for Hillary, even though she said she would do so if McCain got the GOP nod.
February 6th, 2008 at 5:47 pmMarie is right. Huckabee swept the southern primaries…and if he is on the ticket as McCain’s Vice President….I don’t think the evangelicals will stay home on election day.
It will be interesting how the Republican ticket will deal with George W.
If the election is about Bush’s record…Republicans are toast.
So they will have to run away from Bush. McCain and Huckabee are quite capable of that.
February 6th, 2008 at 5:49 pm“Sean Hannity said a moment ago that he has his finger on the conservative pulse. The conservative talk radio and activist pulse. Immigration is the top issues for conservatives, for conservative Republicans. I just think there’s no evidence that’s the case of most voters and in most of the country.â€
The only thing that Sean Hannity has his finger on is his tiny little pee-pee…
February 6th, 2008 at 5:51 pmNelson Muntz sayz:
Ha, Ha!
February 6th, 2008 at 5:56 pmComment by Gin — February 6, 2008 @ 5:55 pm
well if it’ll help rush…
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February 6th, 2008 at 5:59 pmYup the far right fundies had their day in the sun, and they trashed it. See you guys in another 30 years.
February 6th, 2008 at 5:59 pmHate radio doesn’t do very well in the Seattle area, we are slowly shunning and pushing what’s left of the repukian scum to the margins of society here.
Nearly every one who claimed to be repukian that I know, now calls themselves “Independents” and will not admit that they votes for repukian scum like Bush.
Good bye and good riddance to bad rubbish.
Buck Fush
February 6th, 2008 at 6:00 pmthis waste of too much skin is the biggest reason
that our once great nation has fallen to shame.
… that one, i DO hate.
February 6th, 2008 at 6:01 pm.
“Mr. McCain’s emergence as the dominant candidate in the Republican field has generated an outcry from some of the party’s conservative stalwarts; Rush Limbaugh says a McCain nomination would destroy the Republican Party. We think Mr. McCain…would save the party from some of its worst and most self-destructive instincts.†[Washington Post, 2/6/08]
February 6th, 2008 at 6:09 pmLike an illogical , idiotic and illegal invasion McInsane wants against Iran after already being 1000% in favor of the same type debacle in Iraq ……..?
I’m an old tree and I don’t have time to listen to the radio unless it is commercial free or the classic radio shows of the 30’s to the 50’s. Talk about your reality shows! Grape-O-Mix, burp juice to the stars. ahhhh. delicious
since they started putting “personalities” on the air to read or read and look pretty, I have found little of interest. I prefer thinking for myself. I do not require an interpreter.
February 6th, 2008 at 6:26 pmSo they will have to run away from Bush. McCain and Huckabee are quite capable of that.
Comment by Badger
I’m not quite sure how they could do that. Both have their noses so far up Bush’s butt I’m surprised they can get them out. The Democratic candidate will have a field day running clips of all the times that McCain or Huck agreed with Bush or stood up for him on some issue. They are going to have a very hard time distancing themselves from Herr Bush.
February 6th, 2008 at 6:26 pm“If power is shouting and being ignored, then hate radio is king.â€
But enough about Air America.
Comment by USA_Patriot
Creepy troll USA has showed up to dazzle us with his wit. Someone should ask him when was the last time a left leaning talk show host threatened or advocated violence against anyone. Someone should also ask him when was the last time anyone on the left threw a temper tantrum, like the right-wing talkers do on a regular basis. Then ask him to quote the last “hateful” thing that anyone on the left said and make him prove it. I’m betting that the creep can’t do any of those things.
February 6th, 2008 at 6:30 pmBilbo, can’t you just see the split screen ads with Bush on the left chymping some point up, then on the right split screen McCain parroting the same absurd bullshit?
Play it for all it’s worth.
February 6th, 2008 at 6:30 pmBilbo, Mike Malloy often refers to BushitCo as those rat bastards, but that’s a far cry from wishing violence and death on another person…
February 6th, 2008 at 6:31 pmPlay it for all it’s worth.
Comment by RUCerious
Absolutely. They have plenty of film clips they can use on both McCain and Huck. Personally I would like to see a “Willie Horton” ad on Huckabee reminding everyone that the man actively worked to get a rapist out of prison, said rapist then raping again and killing. That is way less than the Republiscums “Willie Horton” ad against Dukakis whose only crime was to be governor at the time that Willie Horton was let out of prison. Dukakis didn’t actively campaign to get Horton out of prison.
I have consistently wondered why Huckabee has been given a pass on that one.
February 6th, 2008 at 6:33 pm“If power is shouting and being ignored, then hate radio is king.â€
But enough about Air America.
Comment by USA_Patriot — February 6, 2008 @ 6:22 pm
How’s that hate radio push for Mutt coming along?
February 6th, 2008 at 6:34 pmOops, that should read:
That is way more than the Republiscums
February 6th, 2008 at 6:34 pmI don’t listen to lefty hate radio, but am confident this probably occurred today. You haters hate 24/7.
Comment by USA_Patriot — February 6, 2008 @ 6:42 pm
Ah sweet irony. Can’t you all feel the love?
February 6th, 2008 at 6:43 pmthe rabid right is so often blinded by their own hate, they love to project onto anyone who is to the left of Hitler.
February 6th, 2008 at 6:49 pmIf there is one thing we should have learned by now, it’s that the propagandists running the modern conservative movement are profoundly dishonest. I don’t believe this “conservatives don’t like McCain” B.S. for a New York second. This is simply another philosophical scam and I’m surprised that people are buying into it. They’re simply trying to fool independents and conservative-leaning Democrats into believing that McCain is a moderate and “liberal” for a repube.
Please try to remember the year leading up to the 2000 election. Remember? Bush was a “moderate.” There was some question about whether or not he was conservative enough. McCain doesn’t care if we’re in Iraq for 100 years, he says he would appoint Supreme court judges in the mold of Alito and Roberts, he wants to make the Bush tax cuts permanent and he would cut social spending to pay for expanded military budgets. He cheerfully sings about bombing Iran and calls himself a “foot-soldier in the Reagan revolution.” What in the world is “moderate” about any of that?
February 6th, 2008 at 6:53 pmUSA Patriot: “I don’t listen to lefty hate radio, but am confident this probably occurred today. You haters hate 24/7.”
Translation for sane people: “I don’t have any idea what I’m talking about, but I’m certain that I’m right about it.”
February 6th, 2008 at 6:55 pmUSA Patriot, that was very clever. How about this - it’s on your level so I think you should appreciate it - I’m rubber, you’re glue, everything you say bounces off me and sticks to you.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:00 pmgood little parrot…
February 6th, 2008 at 7:03 pmOK, new rule: anyone moronic and absurd enough to argue that “Hitler was on the left” is not worth any of our time.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:03 pmSQUAAAWCK!
February 6th, 2008 at 7:03 pmThe Dems most important goal, obviously, is to win the Congress and the White House in November. So the basic question is who can do it?
McCain and Huckabee will be a formidable ticket - not because either one of them is worth two cents, but because of their particular appeal to what makes up the Republican party in America - warmongers and holy-rollers. (What a contradictory pair, but there they are!)
Clinton is a strong candidate, no doubt, but her baggage is enormous. She will inspire Repugs to come out to vote against her! Her husband will bring out a second generation of Ken Starrs. Her war vote, and her votes with the conservatives are too numerous, making it difficult for her to campaign that she is different from McCain. The rightwing radio nuts will be reinvigorated.
Obama is my fave but can he really win the racists in America? They don’t just live in the south, but they are alive and well here in the midwest and across the nation. The swiftboaters will have a hard time with him and his positive message and no skeletons in his closet - but we know they will fire up the KKK and all the bigots in the nation.
I once believed that the Dems were a shoo-in for November - but I am having serious doubts. I think I may apply for my passport now.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:05 pmTroll droppings in aisles 28, 37, 40, 43, 44, 49, 51, etc.
Try not to step in any of it.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:15 pmUSAP is so out of touch, so misguided and too stupid to be educated, so he should not be addressed here.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:16 pmYou libs wish this was true! HAve you wackos lost it? Did Rush radio die when Clinton was elected? Ha! Just the opposite!!
Rush does NOT try and tell his listeners who to vote for and he never has. You act like he, Sean, etc etc treat their listeners as “mind numbed robots”!
Unfortunately for you left nutters, talk radio is very much alive and well and doing FANTASTIC in the rating and making MILLIONS!
Sorry!
February 6th, 2008 at 7:17 pmMarie, I like both of them, but don’t for one second think that conservatives wouldn’t bring out the big guns to slime Obama. As a matter of fact, he does have a few inconsequential “skeletons in his closet,” but please remember that the skeletons in the Clintons’ closet never amounted to a hill of beans. That just doesn’t matter. Facts don’t matter in this game for conservatives. It may be harder to come at Barak Obama than Hillary Clinton, but I’m not so sure about that. In a way, she’s been innoculated and he’s a fresh target.
But also keep in mind that this race isn’t as close as the mainstream media would like you to believe. They make $40 billion in political ad money every 4 years and it is in their corporate interest to make you think it’s a “horserace.” The closer they can make it, the better the ratings and the more political ads they get to sell. McCain is a warmongering crackpot liar and Huckleberry is a religious fanatic who personally worked for the release of a serial killer who went on to murder two women. Either Clinton or Obama can beat these two a-holes like an old drum.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:19 pmI hope your encouraging words are right, Ret. Col. Jack
February 6th, 2008 at 7:23 pmObama is my fave but can he really win the racists in America?
Comment by Marie — February 6, 2008 @ 7:05 pm
I don’t think Obama is even going to try for the racist vote. That would be like John McCain courting Cindy Sheehan’s vote.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:25 pmHello, Captain. As a conservative, is there any position McCain holds that you could honestly call anything other than conservative? And, if you can’t really think of a position McCain holds that is not conservative, why would conservatives be spreading the idea that he is not conservative enough? I think it’s simply intellectual dishonesty. I’d be interested in your opinion.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:26 pmObama is my fave but can he really win the racists in America?
Frank Rich thinks he can:
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2007/ 12/ 02/ opinion/ 02rich.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Part of the Republicans’ difficulty in countering Mr. Obama, should they have to, is their own cynical racial politics. For the most part, race has been the dog that hasn’t barked in this campaign despite the (largely) white press’s endless fretting about whether the Illinois senator is too white for black voters and too black for white voters. Most Americans aren’t racist, most Republicans included. (Those who are won’t vote for the Democratic presidential candidate even if it’s not Mr. Obama.) But the G.O.P., by its own doing, is nonetheless saddled with a history that most recently includes “macaca†and Katrina, Mr. Bush’s appearance at Bob Jones University in 2000 and the nonexistent black population of its Congressional delegation.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:26 pmUnfortunately for you left nutters, talk radio is very much alive and well and doing FANTASTIC in the rating and making MILLIONS!
Comment by John Kerry — February 6, 2008 @ 7:17 pm
Exactly because the O’Reilly’s Rush’s and Hannity’s don’t actual believe the shit they spew it is just a business model which exploits the phobias of a certain market share. Tell them some crazy shit that gets them all bunched up and rake in the dough. Writers script some crazy shit and they just deliver it.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:26 pmi heard rachel talk about a time magazind story that compiled election results, and found that democrats out-voted repugs by over 75%…
awesome…
they’d better be there in at least those numbers in november.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:27 pmMarie: “Obama is my fave but can he really win the racists in America?”
He doesn’t have to. This year, because of the massive movement among Latinos to the Democrats and the tremendous advantage Dems have gained in membership, they don’t need the deep south. The Dems can win the Southwest. They can win Ohio because Repubs are not running the vote there anymore. They can win Florida because they’re going to paper ballots. They will completely own the Northeast and the West and possibly pick up Colorado as well.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:29 pmRemember, too, that Mike Huckabee wants to amend the Constitution to conform to the bible since the bible cannot be rewritten to conform to the Constitution.
Huckabee favors gun ownership, opposes a woman’s right to choose, wants to amend the Constitution to prohibit same-sex marriage and endorses making Bush’s tax cuts for the rich permanent.
McCain is worse.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:31 pmSorry!
Comment by John Kerry — February 6, 2008 @ 7:17 pm
apology accepted.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:32 pmCORRECTION: 73%
February 6th, 2008 at 7:36 pmDidn’t the Bush folks trash the “War Hero” in South Carolina?
February 6th, 2008 at 7:36 pm25 Repube congresspeople are retiring. Twice as many Repube senators are up for reelection than Dems. Even Republican insiders believe Dems will gain 8 or 9 seats in the Senate giving them a supermajority and up to 25 or 30 seats in the House for a supermajority there as well. Clinton or Obama will sign any legislation given to them by a Democratic congress. The modern conservative/libertarian movement is OVER people. Many of their cult-like followers don’t realize this yet, but come November, they’ll be sitting in dark corners having a good, wet cry.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:37 pmUSA Patriot: “Many patriotic Hispanics, like other patriotic Americans, will not choose the guy with no experience over the war hero as Commander in Chief in the middle of a war.”
OK, that approaches a cogent argument and deserves a response. Most polls show that up to 72% of Latinos want us out of Iraq. Most polls show that over 65% of Latinos want some form of government-mandated universal healthcare. This year, Latinos are registering as Dems by about a 2 to 1 margin over registering as Repubs. Yes, in the past, they’ve been about 50-50, but the hysteria over illegal immigration, mainly pushed by Republicans, has driven them away. This was a huge political mistake by the Repub party, but they had no alternative - they needed a new boogeyman to draw attention away from the disasterous policies of this repub administration and repubs in congress. Repubs will pay for this mistake in November.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:41 pmThat’s odd I remember a terrible example of negative campaigning during those days by the missing nonWar hero like guy especially in South Carolina. I am pretty sure I am right on this which would of course make you wrong.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:42 pm“Didn’t the Bush folks trash the “War Hero†in South Carolina?â€
USA Patiot: “No.”
It is common knowledge that Karl Rove orchestrated a push-polling campaign in South Carolina which infered that McCain had an illigitimate black child and was mentally unfit. McCain’s wife was reduced to tears during this campaign. Rove did this because McCain had scored an unexpected victory over Bush in the New Hampshire primary. That McCain has embraced the same people who slimed him is a measure of his shamelessness.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:45 pmComment by USA_Patriot — February 6, 2008 @ 7:44 pm
2000 Biracial child (conveniently forgetting the child was adopted). This crap ring any bells with you?
February 6th, 2008 at 7:45 pmI have heard the myths, yes.
Comment by USA_Patriot — February 6, 2008 @ 7:48 pm
That is funny in its absurdity. I suppose you like the myth of Clinton staffers trashing the WH
February 6th, 2008 at 7:51 pmI myself really enjoyed the Jessica Lynch myth. Classic!
February 6th, 2008 at 7:53 pmCaptain, you seem like a thoughtful conservative, so I’m not surprised you like McCain on the issues. To me, he’s straight-ahead conservative on every issue. Of course, as a lefty, I think he’s wrong about almost everything and I have serious questions about his character. He makes glib jokes about bombing countries, tells inappropriate groaners on the campaign trail, has a hair-trigger temper and that rackish grin he keeps pasted on his face during what should be serious moments creeps me out. The main thing he has going for him is that the mainstream corporate media just loves him. He’ll lie in their faces and they keep referring to him as a “straight talker.” Look at the last debate. Russert brought up the fact that he’s admitted economics isn’t his strong suit and he said, “I never said that, where did you get that quote?” Then, Russert just let it go. Do you seriously believe Russert would have let something like that pass with either Democratic frontrunner?
February 6th, 2008 at 7:54 pmI had to laugh at Rep. David Davis’ comments about Huckabee when he visited TN the other day.
Davis appeared with Huck at the local airport for a rally. He didn’t endorse Huck that day, but said that if Huck won the Republican nomination, he would endorse him. Of course, Davis certainly didn’t turn down an opportunity to get his face out in public or his name in the paper.
Besides, we all know who Davis didn’t vote for in yesterday’s primary.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:55 pmRush Limbaugh, Anne Coulter, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, Karl Rover and all the other unmentioned right-wing talking heads:
All modern day Joseph Goebbels. Every last one of those scumbags.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:57 pmComment by Don in Texas — February 6, 2008 @ 7:31 pm
One of the things that makes the Republican race worth watching is that in the three GOP candidates, we pretty much have the three legs of the GOP ideology. McCain represents the warmongers, Huckabee represents the evangelicals, and Romney represents the Reaganomics fans.
We could assume that McCain’s lead means the warmongers are winning over the other legs. On the other hand, Republicans may just be voting for the candidate who scares them the least, or the one they least consider a nutcase.
February 6th, 2008 at 8:00 pmMcCain has been in the Senate since Reagan was president….and he must have an Enormous amount of Documented Speeches and videotaped statements in the can. This has GOT TO BE a huge liability.
February 6th, 2008 at 8:01 pmReally people. Get a grip. How can a guy who has stated on camera that he doesn’t care if we’re in Iraq for 100 years win in a year where over 75% of the public wants us out of Iraq? How can a guy who proudly says he wants “free market” solutions to healthcare win in a year when almost 70% of the public disagrees with that? How can a guy who complains about $35 billion in earmarks gain any political traction on that when he doesn’t mind spending $2 TRILLION occupying Iraq??!!!
How can a guy who says he would appoint Supreme court judges in the mold of Alito and Roberts convince moderates to give him the right to appoint judges? I could go on and on, but I think you get the point.
February 6th, 2008 at 8:01 pmI have heard the myths, yes.
Comment by USA_Patriot — February 6, 2008 @ 7:48 pm
What do you consider a myth — that the push-poll phone calls were made at all, or that the Bush campaign (specifically Karl Rove) was responsible?
February 6th, 2008 at 8:08 pmComment by USA_Patriot — February 6, 2008 @ 8:07 pm
What the hell are you talking about? Please show me the far left aspects of the Hillary Clinton campaign
February 6th, 2008 at 8:11 pmHow can one of the two far left “progressives†(i.e. fascists) with no leadership or executive experience win running against a war hero, when national security is such a prominent issue? Seems far-fetched, but America did elect Jimmy Carter, so anything is possible.
Comment by USA_Patriot — February 6, 2008 @ 8:07 pm
Um — George W. Bush, who ducked Vietnam by using connections to serve in the Air National Guard, defeated John Kerry, a three-time purple heart awardee. I doubt seriously that voters really care about military service, what wars candidates served in, or their various acts of heroism in wartime. Voters are going to vote based on how they feel about the candidate’s stance on issues important to them now.
Oh — and about Jimmy Carter? He was a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy and served proudly as a Naval officer.
February 6th, 2008 at 8:16 pmPlease show the non-far left aspects of the Clinton campaign.
She and Obama are practically quoting Mussolini.
Comment by USA_Patriot — February 6, 2008 @ 8:13 pm
I’ll take that as your submission posture.
February 6th, 2008 at 8:18 pmClinton himself trashed the White House.
Comment by USA_Patriot — February 6, 2008 @ 7:52 pm
herr dubyah trashed the Country.
February 6th, 2008 at 8:22 pmBush did not “duck Vietnam.â€
http://www.wingmenforbush.com/
Comment by USA_Patriot — February 6, 2008 @ 8:18 pm
Liar!
February 6th, 2008 at 8:25 pmAt Height of Vietnam, Bush Picks Guard
herr dubyah is trying to destroy America, with reich-wingers helping him every step of the way.
February 6th, 2008 at 8:26 pmWhat executive and leadership experience does McLame have?
answer: none
February 6th, 2008 at 8:28 pmherr dubyah avoided over seas duty and requested to stay states side. Fact
February 6th, 2008 at 8:29 pmWhat executive and leadership experience does McLame have?
answer: none
February 6th, 2008 at 8:29 pmi had a parrot once…
drove me crazy… SQUAAAWCK SQUAWCK SQUAAAWCK!
all the time, until i paid it some attention…
poor thing… i had to give it to someone who appreciated PARROTs…
all they do is SQUAWCK and poop and repeat… SQUAWCK!
February 6th, 2008 at 8:30 pmTime to start reporting this POS to the mods, troll.
February 6th, 2008 at 8:30 pmOnce again,
What executive and leadership experience does McLame have?
answer: none
February 6th, 2008 at 8:32 pmworth a look…
Democracy Now! looks at the real John McCain
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2008/ 02/ 06/ democracy-now-looks-at-the-real-john-mccain/
February 6th, 2008 at 8:32 pmIf you have some reliable evidence from a reputable source, post it.
Comment by USA_Patriot — February 6, 2008 @ 8:12 pm
OK — if you consider it a myth that the push-poll phone calls existed, here’s the word from McCain’s 2000 campaign manager, Richard H. Davis.
http://www.boston.com/ news/ politics/ president/ articles/ 2004/ 03/ 21/ the_anatomy_of_a_smear_campaign/
Davis admits he doesn’t know WHO orchestrated the push-poll, but he knows it happened. John Weaver (McCain’s political director) on the other hand, openly alleged that it was a Rovian dirty trick. Weaver had worked with Rove before, and was familiar with his methods.
Rove has denied the charge:
http://www.cnn.com/ POLITICS/ blogs/ politicalticker/ 2007/ 03/ rove-responds-to-2000-south-carolina.html
Even though Rove has denied having anything to do with it (kind of in a “neener, neener, neener, you can’t prove it!” way), the fact that the M.O. bears his fingerprints and the Bush campaign benefited from the smear has caused many to believe culpability on Rove’s part.
February 6th, 2008 at 8:33 pm“McCain was an officer in the US Navy, you ignorant fascist.”
Comment by USA_Patriot
Too bad U-sap doesn’t know what a fascist is. It makes him look like a real sap!
February 6th, 2008 at 8:40 pmHow can one of the two far left “progressives†(i.e. fascists) with no leadership or executive experience win running against a war hero, when national security is such a prominent issue? Seems far-fetched, but America did elect Jimmy Carter, so anything is possible.
Comment by USA_Patriot — February 6, 2008 @ 8:07 pm
So Senators aren’t considered leaders? Wow.
Remind us how much war experience George “I’m a War President” Bush had prior to 2000? What’s that? None? Bush’s experience as a politician/office holder amounts to all of 6 years. No wonder the war on terror is such a major f-k up.
February 6th, 2008 at 8:46 pmIf you have some reliable evidence from a reputable source, post it.
Comment by USA_Patriot — February 6, 2008 @ 8:12 pm
I’m curious…who do YOU consider a “reputable” source?
February 6th, 2008 at 8:47 pmI’m with Bad Eye on this one. Lay it out there USA_Patriot. Which sources will you accept. Be careful, I know you only like nonbiased and reputable ones
February 6th, 2008 at 8:51 pmA reliable source would not include hearsay or someone with an obvious agenda
Comment by USA_Patriot — February 6, 2008 @ 8:53 pm
Well this sort of rules out your claims that the H. Clinton campain is far left, that everyone her is a fascists, and all of the rest.
So Jimmy Carter was the only Naval Academy grad (59 of 820) to ever be president. He served two terms as a state senator, was I state governer. Did graduate work in nuclear physics and has won a nobel prize but you still don’t like him. So what is you point about Bush?
February 6th, 2008 at 8:58 pmRight Wing radio AND television has become totally, completely and irrevocably irrelevant. t will get louder for awhile, but it is fading into obscurity. Goodbye.
February 6th, 2008 at 9:06 pmJust watch Olberman tonight and you won’t be disappointed. There is a guy who throws a tantrum on a daily basis.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 6, 2008 @ 8:54 pm
examples, please?
February 6th, 2008 at 9:08 pmdamn, the trolls are like mice……this thread is totally infested. We need Dale Gribbell, quick..
honestly i’ve been reposting one by JMOHR that I really agree with……It has been shutting them down…..every one to thier own but I like this:
for the trolls………This is you. You are not here for any other reason than to disrupt the thread…you possibly even get paid for it…..god what an embarrasing way to make a living….oh well I digress….
I can only speak for myself but this was posted by another sensible person who is respected in the forum and I agree.
February 6th, 2008 at 9:38 pmIt’s funny. All my Republican acquaintances are okay with McCain and are confused by the attacks on McCain by Republicans.
February 6th, 2008 at 9:39 pm135 see 133
February 6th, 2008 at 9:46 pmtrolls, mice, vermin? I’m just saying that you’re attempts to limit debate, no matter how admirable, may be coming off as less 21st century progressive and more mid 20th century nazi.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — February 6, 2008 @ 9:57 pm
Nice. pot, meet kettle.
You’re a cheap shit, capt. transparent as cellophane.
February 6th, 2008 at 10:02 pmC’mon, USA_Patriot. Give us your reputable sources.
February 6th, 2008 at 10:20 pm[Conservative talk radio] are people thaty are passionate about what they believe and have very little tolerance for anyone who believes otherwise.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — February 6, 2008 @ 9:40 pm
Yeah…passionate like Gibson (Heath Ledger found a way to quit Jake Gyllenhaal; oh, it was a JOKE) and Beck (“If I saw Olbermann standing on the subway [platform], I might think for a moment about pushing him, but I wouldn’t†or the California wildfires are damaging the homes of “a handful of people who hate America.â€)
February 6th, 2008 at 10:31 pmHey trolls, Fascism is when there is only 1 side to the story, no dissenting opinion, saying one thing and doing or meaning the opposite.
February 6th, 2008 at 10:35 pmSee:
No Child Left Behind
Clear Skies Act
“If you aren’t with us, you’re against us”
Anytime Dick Cheney pauses and says”,in fact,”
“Fair and Balanced”
“The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our No. 1 priority, and we will not rest until we find him.”
“6 days, 6 weeks, 6 months”
“Al-Qaeda in Iraq”
“Al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia”
C&L 108 TROLLS ‘0′
February 6th, 2008 at 10:37 pm“Badeye. Do you really believe that one ideology has a monopoly on either passion or tolerance?”
Comment by CaptainMantastic
I’m curious. Do you think conservatives are tolerant?
Why?
February 6th, 2008 at 10:39 pmComment by CaptainMantastic — February 6, 2008 @ 10:34 pm
Nope. I was just sayin…
February 6th, 2008 at 10:40 pmwhoa… major clean up…
is the parrot and it’s droppings gone? … nasty annoying squawcker…
nope, not totally gone… still some droppings picked up by others…
February 6th, 2008 at 10:55 pmah well…
117, I’m guilty of this as well, but i guess some of us take reasoned debate and see it as trolling. It’s clear now that looking over your posts more carefully, that you’re not interested in trolling, but rather engaging in conversation.
February 6th, 2008 at 11:06 pmit’s just with the infestation of the OMG YOU LIBS LOVE TERRORISTS trolls, it’s gotten hard…
February 6th, 2008 at 11:13 pmLibs DO love terrorists UNLESS they have to deal with them because they simply don’t have the nuts to do so! SIMPLE!
February 6th, 2008 at 11:33 pmI was on a certain conservative type site tha tis quite liek this one, except it’s the opposite…having a little fun. There was someone on there quoting Thomas Paine, and using one of his few “conservative” leaning quotes.
So I threw this one out:
Character is much easier kept than recovered.
Thomas Paine
And I found a site that has a bunch of them, they are great Troll garlic, so to speak, like these:
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
Thomas Paine
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.
Thomas Paine
oooh, this one is really good:
He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death.
Thomas Paine
One good schoolmaster is of more use than a hundred priests.
Thomas Paine
Another really good one:
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
Thomas Paine
Love this one:
The strength and power of despotism consists wholly in the fear of resistance.
Thomas Paine
the Grand-daddy of them all:
War involves in its progress such a train of unforeseen circumstances that no human wisdom can calculate the end; it has but one thing certain, and that is to increase taxes.
Thomas Paine
Couldn’t believe they were quoting the guy. Too easy.
February 6th, 2008 at 11:43 pmJohn Kerry - War Hero. welcome back sir. Thank you for your service to our country.
February 6th, 2008 at 11:45 pm“Libs DO love terrorists UNLESS they have to deal with them because they simply don’t have the nuts to do so! SIMPLE!”
Comment by John Kerry
Someone’s forgotten that Ronald Reagan sold weapons to terrorists. His nuts must have been - microscopic.
February 7th, 2008 at 12:11 am“Libs DO love terrorists UNLESS they have to deal with them because they simply don’t have the nuts to do so! SIMPLE!”
Good God, but you are a witless dipshit. You’re even more clueless than the marionettes in “Team America.”
February 7th, 2008 at 12:45 amTyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.â€
I’m not so sure Paine was the pacifist you paint him as.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — February 7, 2008 @ 12:22 am
I’m not framing him, he said it, Mantastical.
Like this kind of Tyranny?
Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst.
Thomas Paine
More?
To establish any mode to abolish war, however advantageous it might be to Nations, would be to take from such Government the most lucrative of its branches.
Thomas Paine
February 7th, 2008 at 1:34 am“These are the times that try men’s souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country, but he that stands it NOW, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.â€
I’m not so sure Paine was the pacifist you paint him as.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — February 7, 2008 @ 12:22 am
So, WHO called Paine a PACIFIST? He said that those that author wars, especially wars of CHOICE, BLEED the country.
Paine WAS a PATRIOT.
And getting rid of the TYRRANY of “king” George is about to happen again.
Ending in the ARREST of the TRAITOR “king” and his PNAC WAR CRIMINALS.
Slap that PUNK’S azs in JAIL for the rest of his LIFE.
Until he DROPS DEAD and goes home to his MASTER Satan.
February 7th, 2008 at 1:36 am#11 - “Hate Radio will continue to fall, but may make a bit of a come back when our veto proof dem congress is in place along with a dem pres.” Comment by had enough — February 6, 2008 @ 5:37 pm
Dude, never underestimate the power of Democrat to snatch a victory from the jaws of inevitability!
There are a number of people on this website alone who will refuse to vote for the Democrat Nominee if it’s not “their” candidate! I can understand the principles that lead them to this decision, but it will be these principles that give us to four years of Pres. McCain!
February 7th, 2008 at 7:31 amI have finally found a rope strong enough to handle hanging Rush. Any time the courts pass judgement on his treason, you’all give me shout. I have a pretty noose all made up for him. I even went so far to hire some illegal young Dominican boys to put it on him.
February 7th, 2008 at 8:56 amHere’s my take on conservative radio:
http://leftopia.blogspot.com/ 2008/ 01/ reality-bites-back.html
February 7th, 2008 at 9:14 amI agree. But, couldn’t you use Paine’s words as a justification to act against the tyranny of terror or the tyranny of Saddam Hussein?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — February 7, 2008 @ 9:36 am
OR George Bush and Dick Cheney and their PNAC CRIMINALS for their TYRRANY and TREASON against the USA.
And Osama, Bush family FRIEND, is STILL FREE after SIX YEARS.
So you COULD use the WORDS.
But attacking Iraq was a WAR CRIME, as it was a PREMEDITATED WAR OF CHOICE.
Thanks for asking…
February 7th, 2008 at 9:46 amOf all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst.
Thomas Paine
I agree. But, couldn’t you use Paine’s words as a justification to act against the tyranny of terror or the tyranny of Saddam Hussein?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — February 7, 2008 @ 9:36 am
In the case of Saddam, um, no, because Saddam was well known as a secular tyrant who distrusted religious extremists.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:55 amIf Rush Limbaugh ranted in a forest and there was no one around to hear him, would he still be obnoxious?
February 7th, 2008 at 12:52 pmNope.
Olbermann tells the TRUTH about the TRAITORS in the White House.
It only SEEMS obnoxious to those who SUPPORT theie TREASON.
REAL Americans think Keith Olbermann is GREAT!!
February 7th, 2008 at 2:07 pmReally? Cocaine? Intensifies their GENOCIDAL tendencies, too?
So TRAITOR Bush LIKES Olbermann, and thinks he’s NOT obnoxious?
SEE???
Even TRAITOR Bush the MURDERER coxucker PUNK likes Olbermann.
At least when he’s snorting the coke…
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
February 7th, 2008 at 2:54 pmBush uses cocaine? Where did you dig that lie up from?
Comment by Tracy2 — February 7, 2008 @ 3:04 pm
He admitted to it and his friends have admitted to it.
February 7th, 2008 at 3:23 pmBush uses cocaine? Where did you dig that lie up from?
Comment by Tracy2 — February 7, 2008 @ 3:04 pm
He admitted to it and his friends have admitted to it.
Comment by Dr. Matt — February 7, 2008 @ 3:23 pm
Yup.
Another TRUTH that azslickers of MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA, like Tracy2, call a “lie”.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
February 7th, 2008 at 3:26 pmNobody hates more than libs and dems ..Just look at the above comments
February 7th, 2008 at 6:02 pmAlready DOCUMENTED.
Use GOOGLE.
It’s EASY.
Whether USE or USED, you said that cocaine makes LIBERALS get on an EGO TRIP.
None more OBVIOUS than Bush, so he MUST be a LIBERAL, by you…
In the meantime,
MURDERER Bush is a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA, who will BURN IN HELL for his WAR CRIMES and GENOCIDE.
After he DROPS DEAD.
A WORLD CELEBRATION will ensue on that day, marking the demise of a piece of EVIL that has gone home to its MASTER Satan.
As far as LIES go, Bush is one of the “best”.
And God SEES the GENOCIDE of his CHILDREN.
And HEARS Bush’s LIES.
If you believe in an afterlife, you better REPENT while you can.
Or be in hell with Saddam, TRAITORS Bush and Cheney, and TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan.
YOUR choice.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:02 pmNobody hates more than libs and dems ..Just look at the above comments
Comment by Ricl077 — February 7, 2008 @ 6:02 pm
Go to “free” republic or listen to Rush or O’Dildo.
They make the “above comments” seem tame by comparison.
And YOU also better repent, or BURN IN HELL with TRAITOR Bush the MURDERER coxucker PUNK.
And TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
February 7th, 2008 at 6:04 pmAnd I hate NO ONE.
Unlike Rush, Coulter, O’Dildo, etc.
Just tired of WAR CRIMINAL like MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR tor the USA.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:06 pmJust go to Air America—– http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/
See the lib and Dem hate.Or just read their comments posted here.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:16 pmYou guys are like O. Bigfool.
Which means you are just TREASONOUS DoD PSYOPS, LYING and supporting MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA.
OVER the USA. So much for YOUR patriotism…
No problem.
God SEES the EVIL acts and GENOCIDE committed by Bush and the PNAC and will judge them accordingly, sending to their MASTER Satan and your
TREASONOUS “hero” MORON Ronnie Reagan, now DEAD.
If YOU support their EVIL, YOU will be judged accordingly by the Almighty.
God have mercy on your souls, you poor scumbag TRAITORS.
Better REPENT, lest you join Saddam, George, Dick and TRAITOR Ronnie.
God Bless America and REAL Americans.
to HELL with TRAITORS like Bush and YOU.
Nite, nite!!
BURN BRIGHT.
For ETERNITY!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
February 7th, 2008 at 11:33 pmalthough I can’t count the number of times I have heard a liberal here say they hate other posters.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 7, 2008 @ 7:27 pm
More LIES from unamerikkan TRAITOR and azslicker of MURDERER Bush.
Show PROOF of where posters said they HATED other posters.
February 7th, 2008 at 11:36 pm