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	<title>Comments on: DeLay: &#8216;Man Is Not Causing Climate Change&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Bill Zimmer</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/07/delay-man-is-not-causing-climate-change/comment-page-3/#comment-4261624</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Zimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only two (2) ways to warm earth are 1) the sun and 2) the largest emitter of co2, volcanoes; Both are natural and are not controllable by humans.

Consider that 97% of co2 is natural on earth and man is responsible for only 3% of all the co2 in the atmosphere.

All of the green measures fully implemented will not change the level of co2. How do I know is that the EU has failed to achieve any reduction of co2 since adoption of Kyoto, in 2005; Total failure.

Educate yourself.

 http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p1845.htm
Global Warming Scientific Petition Project-Scientist prove no AGW
Video and PowerPoint downloadable at bottom of page at above link 
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4139
Science of AGW disproved years ago.

The feds are putting a .50 per gallon tax on auto gas under Lieberman McCain, States on west coast are currently legislating a &quot;carbon taxâ€ on all oil products and things made with oil, their yearly tax in Washington state is 2.16 Billion per year, plus a yearly license car tax on the vehicle by engine size, 4 cylinders $200,  6 cylinders $300 and V8 $400 dollars each year. This should get rid of those gas guzzlers.

You think industry is leaving the USA, just wait until this Global Warming HOAX goes into effect. Hugh new tax that will accomplish nothing, except establish a new global imperialism!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only two (2) ways to warm earth are 1) the sun and 2) the largest emitter of co2, volcanoes; Both are natural and are not controllable by humans.</p>
<p>Consider that 97% of co2 is natural on earth and man is responsible for only 3% of all the co2 in the atmosphere.</p>
<p>All of the green measures fully implemented will not change the level of co2. How do I know is that the EU has failed to achieve any reduction of co2 since adoption of Kyoto, in 2005; Total failure.</p>
<p>Educate yourself.</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p1845.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p1845.htm</a><br />
Global Warming Scientific Petition Project-Scientist prove no AGW<br />
Video and PowerPoint downloadable at bottom of page at above link<br />
<a href="http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4139" rel="nofollow">http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4139</a><br />
Science of AGW disproved years ago.</p>
<p>The feds are putting a .50 per gallon tax on auto gas under Lieberman McCain, States on west coast are currently legislating a &#8220;carbon taxâ€ on all oil products and things made with oil, their yearly tax in Washington state is 2.16 Billion per year, plus a yearly license car tax on the vehicle by engine size, 4 cylinders $200,  6 cylinders $300 and V8 $400 dollars each year. This should get rid of those gas guzzlers.</p>
<p>You think industry is leaving the USA, just wait until this Global Warming HOAX goes into effect. Hugh new tax that will accomplish nothing, except establish a new global imperialism!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4261624', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Simon D</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/07/delay-man-is-not-causing-climate-change/comment-page-3/#comment-4261360</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right wing talking points aside, people who try to communicate climate change to the public should think about the motivation behind the line &quot;it is arrogant to think man...&quot;. The way that belief can get in the way of understanding climate change is a subject I have studied for some time &lt;a href=&quot;http://simondonner.blogspot.com/2008/02/tom-delay-and-believing-in-climate.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;more here&lt;/a&gt;. Here&#039;s a quick take:

In his words and his tone, he is saying that the climate is far beyond the control of mere people, that it is controlled by other, grand forces. The arrogance of which he speaks is a belief that people can intervene on Godâ€™s turf.

Whether that is Delay&#039;s genuine belief or a talking point, we should take note. The very notion that humans can affect the climate runs counter to thousands of years of belief that the sky is the domain of gods. Acceptance of human-induced climate change is a real paradigm shift for many. It is a mistake to assume people that doubt the scientific evidence are motivated only by greed or politics. If those of us communicating climate change to the public fail to address the fact that it can conflict with fundamental beliefs, weâ€™ll fail as communicators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right wing talking points aside, people who try to communicate climate change to the public should think about the motivation behind the line &#8220;it is arrogant to think man&#8230;&#8221;. The way that belief can get in the way of understanding climate change is a subject I have studied for some time <a href="http://simondonner.blogspot.com/2008/02/tom-delay-and-believing-in-climate.html" rel="nofollow">more here</a>. Here&#8217;s a quick take:</p>
<p>In his words and his tone, he is saying that the climate is far beyond the control of mere people, that it is controlled by other, grand forces. The arrogance of which he speaks is a belief that people can intervene on Godâ€™s turf.</p>
<p>Whether that is Delay&#8217;s genuine belief or a talking point, we should take note. The very notion that humans can affect the climate runs counter to thousands of years of belief that the sky is the domain of gods. Acceptance of human-induced climate change is a real paradigm shift for many. It is a mistake to assume people that doubt the scientific evidence are motivated only by greed or politics. If those of us communicating climate change to the public fail to address the fact that it can conflict with fundamental beliefs, weâ€™ll fail as communicators.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4261360', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: catseye</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/07/delay-man-is-not-causing-climate-change/comment-page-3/#comment-4261226</link>
		<dc:creator>catseye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arrogance? More like stupidity to think that 6 and half billion people won&#039;t have any  effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arrogance? More like stupidity to think that 6 and half billion people won&#8217;t have any  effect.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4261226', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill Zimmer</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/07/delay-man-is-not-causing-climate-change/comment-page-3/#comment-4260127</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Zimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>February 08, 2008 
Global cooling alarmism ahead?
Thomas Lifson
The debate over global warming theory is turning into a contest between two explanatory models for climate change: human activity or solar activity. Now comes news that solar activity may be declining, signaling that we may (no alarmism here) be entering a period of global cooling. Investor&#039;s Business Daily explains: 

Kenneth Tapping, a solar researcher and project director for Canada&#039;s National Research Council, is among those looking at the sun for evidence of an increase in sunspot activity.


Solar activity fluctuates in an 11-year cycle. But so far in this cycle, the sun has been disturbingly quiet. The lack of increased activity could signal the beginning of what is known as a Maunder Minimum, an event which occurs every couple of centuries and can last as long as a century.


Such an event occurred in the 17th century. The observation of sunspots showed extraordinarily low levels of magnetism on the sun, with little or no 11-year cycle.


This solar hibernation corresponded with a period of bitter cold that began around 1650 and lasted, with intermittent spikes of warming, until 1715. Frigid winters and cold summers during that period led to massive crop failures, famine and death in Northern Europe.


IBD puts this into context:


As we have noted many times, perhaps the biggest impact on the Earth&#039;s climate over time has been the sun.


For instance, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in Germany report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60 years, accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth&#039;s temperature over the last 100 years.


R. Timothy Patterson, professor of geology and director of the Ottawa-Carleton Geoscience Center of Canada&#039;s Carleton University, says that &quot;CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet&#039;s climate on long, medium and even short time scales.&quot;


Rather, he says, &quot;I and the first-class scientists I work with are consistently finding excellent correlations between the regular fluctuations of the sun and earthly climate. This is not surprising. The sun and the stars are the ultimate source of energy on this planet.&quot;


Patterson, sharing Tapping&#039;s concern, says: &quot;Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into its weakest Schwabe cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to unusually cool conditions on Earth.&quot;


&quot;Solar activity has overpowered any effect that CO2 has had before, and it most likely will again,&quot; Patterson says. &quot;If we were to have even a medium-sized solar minimum, we could be looking at a lot more bad effects than &#039;global warming&#039; would have had.&quot;


The time horizon here allows potential political feedback in the next two presidential cycles, should actual cooling take place and refute the anthropogenic enthusiasts, the warmist cult, as I call them.


Occam&#039;s Razor suggests that solar activity ought to be a baseline assumption for climate change. In addition to being simple and direct, it has demonstrably driven climate in the past. A few dubious models based on historical statistics of questionable accuracy, pushing a convoluted explanation in which variations in a trace gas (CO2 is 385 parts per million of the atmosphere by volume) drive climate, should be greeted with skepticism until conclusive evidence is in hand.

A new Maunder Minimum would be unpleasant for many. But those still believing in carbon dioxide as a climate driver might begin advocating carbon subsidies and doing penance for buying all those carbon credits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>February 08, 2008<br />
Global cooling alarmism ahead?<br />
Thomas Lifson<br />
The debate over global warming theory is turning into a contest between two explanatory models for climate change: human activity or solar activity. Now comes news that solar activity may be declining, signaling that we may (no alarmism here) be entering a period of global cooling. Investor&#8217;s Business Daily explains: </p>
<p>Kenneth Tapping, a solar researcher and project director for Canada&#8217;s National Research Council, is among those looking at the sun for evidence of an increase in sunspot activity.</p>
<p>Solar activity fluctuates in an 11-year cycle. But so far in this cycle, the sun has been disturbingly quiet. The lack of increased activity could signal the beginning of what is known as a Maunder Minimum, an event which occurs every couple of centuries and can last as long as a century.</p>
<p>Such an event occurred in the 17th century. The observation of sunspots showed extraordinarily low levels of magnetism on the sun, with little or no 11-year cycle.</p>
<p>This solar hibernation corresponded with a period of bitter cold that began around 1650 and lasted, with intermittent spikes of warming, until 1715. Frigid winters and cold summers during that period led to massive crop failures, famine and death in Northern Europe.</p>
<p>IBD puts this into context:</p>
<p>As we have noted many times, perhaps the biggest impact on the Earth&#8217;s climate over time has been the sun.</p>
<p>For instance, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in Germany report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60 years, accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth&#8217;s temperature over the last 100 years.</p>
<p>R. Timothy Patterson, professor of geology and director of the Ottawa-Carleton Geoscience Center of Canada&#8217;s Carleton University, says that &#8220;CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet&#8217;s climate on long, medium and even short time scales.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rather, he says, &#8220;I and the first-class scientists I work with are consistently finding excellent correlations between the regular fluctuations of the sun and earthly climate. This is not surprising. The sun and the stars are the ultimate source of energy on this planet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Patterson, sharing Tapping&#8217;s concern, says: &#8220;Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into its weakest Schwabe cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to unusually cool conditions on Earth.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Solar activity has overpowered any effect that CO2 has had before, and it most likely will again,&#8221; Patterson says. &#8220;If we were to have even a medium-sized solar minimum, we could be looking at a lot more bad effects than &#8216;global warming&#8217; would have had.&#8221;</p>
<p>The time horizon here allows potential political feedback in the next two presidential cycles, should actual cooling take place and refute the anthropogenic enthusiasts, the warmist cult, as I call them.</p>
<p>Occam&#8217;s Razor suggests that solar activity ought to be a baseline assumption for climate change. In addition to being simple and direct, it has demonstrably driven climate in the past. A few dubious models based on historical statistics of questionable accuracy, pushing a convoluted explanation in which variations in a trace gas (CO2 is 385 parts per million of the atmosphere by volume) drive climate, should be greeted with skepticism until conclusive evidence is in hand.</p>
<p>A new Maunder Minimum would be unpleasant for many. But those still believing in carbon dioxide as a climate driver might begin advocating carbon subsidies and doing penance for buying all those carbon credits.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4260127', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Hawkeye</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/07/delay-man-is-not-causing-climate-change/comment-page-3/#comment-4259455</link>
		<dc:creator>Hawkeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go to jail, Go directly to jail, Do not pass Go, Do Not collect $200.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go to jail, Go directly to jail, Do not pass Go, Do Not collect $200.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4259455', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill Zimmer</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/07/delay-man-is-not-causing-climate-change/comment-page-3/#comment-4259361</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Zimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New Religion is Global Warming

The UN finally got what it wanted. The Kyoto Climate Change treaty becomes &#039;international law&#039; this month on Wednesday. The treaty went into full effect with the approval by the Russian Federation, even without the support of the United States. Time will tell if and when the treaty will begin to affect the U.S. economy. What is certain is that truth and reason had no part in the process. 

Global warming has become a new religion. No one is supposed to question whether it is a fact. I did and for my trouble I was labeled a &quot;moron,&quot; a &quot;liar;&quot; one who wants to &quot;blow up the world,&quot; and just plain &quot;evil&quot; to name a few from a mass of mail I received. 

In particular, my article stated that there is no scientific evidence to support claims of man-made global warming. I pointed out that there is division among scientists and that there is no &quot;consensus&quot; among them. 
I also reported that there are scientists who promote political agendas over truth to keep the grants coming in. And I said that the UN&#039;s 1996 report issued by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was edited at the last minute to remove two very important paragraphs that specifically said science showed no clear evidence of man-made climate change. Those were all facts. 

Apparently I&#039;m a moron for reporting them because as one letter said, &quot;Everyone knows global warming is real.&quot;

In response to these Luddites, I simply present this: A federal hurricane research scientist named Chris Landsea has resigned from the UN-sponsored climate assessment team because his group&#039;s leader had politicized the process. Landsea said there was little evidence to justify Kevin Trenberth&#039;s assertion in October that global warming was responsible for the strong hurricanes experienced this past year and that &quot;the North Atlantic hurricane Season of 2004 may well be a harbinger of the future.&quot;

Said Landsea in his resignation letter, &quot;It is beyond me why my colleagues would utilize the media to push an unsupported agenda that recent hurricane activity had been due to global warming. My view is that when people identify themselves as being associated with the IPCC and then make pronouncements far outside current scientific understandings that this will harm the credibility of climate change science and will in the longer term diminish our role in public policy.&quot; 

Landsea closed his resignation letter by saying, &quot;I personally cannot in good faith contribute to a process that I view as both being motivated by pre-conceived agendas and being scientifically unsound.&quot; 

There you have it. Two kinds of scientists; one standing for true science based on the facts, The other pushing a political agenda that says science be damned, our global religion is at stake. 

Global Warming has become a religion that the faithful have vowed to follow no matter what the true facts may show. Global Warming is a theory, nothing more, and large numbers of scientists around the world are beginning to question its validity. There is no consensus of support.

The fact is the Kyoto Protocol will have absolutely no effect on climate change, but the faithful demand that it be implemented anyway, because &quot;we have to do something.&quot; In 1990, Timothy Wirth, who later became Bill Clinton&#039;s Under Secretary of State for Global Affairs said, &quot;We&#039;ve got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong we will be doing the right thing...&quot; 

Global Warming is nothing more than a euphemism for redistribution of wealth from the rich, development nations to jealous dictatorships who refuse to allow their citizens the right to gain their own wealth through free markets. It&#039;s about political redistribution from strong, independent sovereign nations into the hands of a power-hungry global elite cowering in the United Nations. These are the same cowardly scoundrels who used to try to rule the world through global communism. Today they pretend that the same lies have something to do with protecting the environment. 

The truth is there is no man-made global warming. There&#039;s only the scam of an empty global religion designed to condemn human progress and sucker the feeble minded into worldwide human misery. I rest my case. Amen.
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4139
Take a look here, for starters, and educate yourself about how one progress from hypothesis to theory and on to fact. But be forewarned facts are only recognized as such until they run up against a single piece of evidence that disproves them...as Newtonian physics did. Global warming as preached by Gore has been blown out of the water years ago. It is not a fact; in fact it is not even a valid theory at this point. 
by Tom DeWeese (February 16, 2005) 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p1845.htm
Global Warming Scientific Petition Project-Scientist prove no AGW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New Religion is Global Warming</p>
<p>The UN finally got what it wanted. The Kyoto Climate Change treaty becomes &#8216;international law&#8217; this month on Wednesday. The treaty went into full effect with the approval by the Russian Federation, even without the support of the United States. Time will tell if and when the treaty will begin to affect the U.S. economy. What is certain is that truth and reason had no part in the process. </p>
<p>Global warming has become a new religion. No one is supposed to question whether it is a fact. I did and for my trouble I was labeled a &#8220;moron,&#8221; a &#8220;liar;&#8221; one who wants to &#8220;blow up the world,&#8221; and just plain &#8220;evil&#8221; to name a few from a mass of mail I received. </p>
<p>In particular, my article stated that there is no scientific evidence to support claims of man-made global warming. I pointed out that there is division among scientists and that there is no &#8220;consensus&#8221; among them.<br />
I also reported that there are scientists who promote political agendas over truth to keep the grants coming in. And I said that the UN&#8217;s 1996 report issued by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was edited at the last minute to remove two very important paragraphs that specifically said science showed no clear evidence of man-made climate change. Those were all facts. </p>
<p>Apparently I&#8217;m a moron for reporting them because as one letter said, &#8220;Everyone knows global warming is real.&#8221;</p>
<p>In response to these Luddites, I simply present this: A federal hurricane research scientist named Chris Landsea has resigned from the UN-sponsored climate assessment team because his group&#8217;s leader had politicized the process. Landsea said there was little evidence to justify Kevin Trenberth&#8217;s assertion in October that global warming was responsible for the strong hurricanes experienced this past year and that &#8220;the North Atlantic hurricane Season of 2004 may well be a harbinger of the future.&#8221;</p>
<p>Said Landsea in his resignation letter, &#8220;It is beyond me why my colleagues would utilize the media to push an unsupported agenda that recent hurricane activity had been due to global warming. My view is that when people identify themselves as being associated with the IPCC and then make pronouncements far outside current scientific understandings that this will harm the credibility of climate change science and will in the longer term diminish our role in public policy.&#8221; </p>
<p>Landsea closed his resignation letter by saying, &#8220;I personally cannot in good faith contribute to a process that I view as both being motivated by pre-conceived agendas and being scientifically unsound.&#8221; </p>
<p>There you have it. Two kinds of scientists; one standing for true science based on the facts, The other pushing a political agenda that says science be damned, our global religion is at stake. </p>
<p>Global Warming has become a religion that the faithful have vowed to follow no matter what the true facts may show. Global Warming is a theory, nothing more, and large numbers of scientists around the world are beginning to question its validity. There is no consensus of support.</p>
<p>The fact is the Kyoto Protocol will have absolutely no effect on climate change, but the faithful demand that it be implemented anyway, because &#8220;we have to do something.&#8221; In 1990, Timothy Wirth, who later became Bill Clinton&#8217;s Under Secretary of State for Global Affairs said, &#8220;We&#8217;ve got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong we will be doing the right thing&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>Global Warming is nothing more than a euphemism for redistribution of wealth from the rich, development nations to jealous dictatorships who refuse to allow their citizens the right to gain their own wealth through free markets. It&#8217;s about political redistribution from strong, independent sovereign nations into the hands of a power-hungry global elite cowering in the United Nations. These are the same cowardly scoundrels who used to try to rule the world through global communism. Today they pretend that the same lies have something to do with protecting the environment. </p>
<p>The truth is there is no man-made global warming. There&#8217;s only the scam of an empty global religion designed to condemn human progress and sucker the feeble minded into worldwide human misery. I rest my case. Amen.<br />
<a href="http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4139" rel="nofollow">http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4139</a><br />
Take a look here, for starters, and educate yourself about how one progress from hypothesis to theory and on to fact. But be forewarned facts are only recognized as such until they run up against a single piece of evidence that disproves them&#8230;as Newtonian physics did. Global warming as preached by Gore has been blown out of the water years ago. It is not a fact; in fact it is not even a valid theory at this point.<br />
by Tom DeWeese (February 16, 2005)<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method</a><br />
<a href="http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p1845.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p1845.htm</a><br />
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		<title>By: Blink2x</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blink2x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides being unbelievably removed from realityâ€¦.â€™The Hammmerâ€™ also appeared to be soâ€¦..seems like he was having a real good time..probably chasing down loose values cuties who actually think he is not the criminal he is. 

Thought I should correct that but guess it could go either way as far that group is concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides being unbelievably removed from realityâ€¦.â€™The Hammmerâ€™ also appeared to be soâ€¦..seems like he was having a real good time..probably chasing down loose values cuties who actually think he is not the criminal he is. </p>
<p>Thought I should correct that but guess it could go either way as far that group is concerned.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4259024', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Blink2x</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/07/delay-man-is-not-causing-climate-change/comment-page-3/#comment-4258931</link>
		<dc:creator>Blink2x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides being unbelievably removed from reality....&#039;The Hammmer&#039; also appeared to be so.....seems like he was having a real good time..probably chasing down loose values cuties who actually think he is the criminal he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides being unbelievably removed from reality&#8230;.&#8217;The Hammmer&#8217; also appeared to be so&#8230;..seems like he was having a real good time..probably chasing down loose values cuties who actually think he is the criminal he is.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4258931', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: DieNowForPeace</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/07/delay-man-is-not-causing-climate-change/comment-page-3/#comment-4258906</link>
		<dc:creator>DieNowForPeace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;And why is he not in jail yet? 

Comment by ADDdaddy&lt;/em&gt;

He&#039;s too busy bragging about being indicted in a thread above this one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>And why is he not in jail yet? </p>
<p>Comment by ADDdaddy</em></p>
<p>He&#8217;s too busy bragging about being indicted in a thread above this one&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4258906', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: DieNowForPeace</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/07/delay-man-is-not-causing-climate-change/comment-page-3/#comment-4258904</link>
		<dc:creator>DieNowForPeace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all those &quot;man doesn&#039;t affect the environment&quot; blowhards, note the reference to &quot;inducing rain&quot; in the following link:

&lt;strong&gt;Olympic Teams Prepare for the Dirty Air in Beijing&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/23/AR2008012303954.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LINK&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;In past Olympics, athletes typically arrived in host cities at least 10 days before the start of events to get used to the conditions. This year, some of the 10,000 expected competitors say they will come to Beijing just 72 hours before their first event -- raising the prospect of a fireworks-filled opening ceremony on Aug. 8 without many of the athletes.

Beijing has struggled to control air pollution for several years. To prepare for the Olympics, the city has spent $16.4 billion, moving the heaviest polluters outside its borders, planting trees, rerouting traffic and &lt;strong&gt;inducing rain&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In 2005, Beijing was rated the highest in sulfer dioxide emissions (from coal fired power plants mostly) &lt;strong&gt;Worldwide&lt;/strong&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all those &#8220;man doesn&#8217;t affect the environment&#8221; blowhards, note the reference to &#8220;inducing rain&#8221; in the following link:</p>
<p><strong>Olympic Teams Prepare for the Dirty Air in Beijing</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/23/AR2008012303954.html" rel="nofollow">LINK</a></p>
<blockquote><p>In past Olympics, athletes typically arrived in host cities at least 10 days before the start of events to get used to the conditions. This year, some of the 10,000 expected competitors say they will come to Beijing just 72 hours before their first event &#8212; raising the prospect of a fireworks-filled opening ceremony on Aug. 8 without many of the athletes.</p>
<p>Beijing has struggled to control air pollution for several years. To prepare for the Olympics, the city has spent $16.4 billion, moving the heaviest polluters outside its borders, planting trees, rerouting traffic and <strong>inducing rain</strong>.</p></blockquote>
<p>In 2005, Beijing was rated the highest in sulfer dioxide emissions (from coal fired power plants mostly) <strong>Worldwide</strong>.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4258904', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ADDdaddy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/07/delay-man-is-not-causing-climate-change/comment-page-3/#comment-4258682</link>
		<dc:creator>ADDdaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He is kind of right in a senseâ€“ it is not &quot;man&quot; causing climate change. We are too small and insignificant. 
It is &lt;strong&gt;Industry&lt;/strong&gt; that we created, and wield that has brought about this global crisis.

And why is he not in jail yet? what is going on with the Abrahmoff business?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is kind of right in a senseâ€“ it is not &#8220;man&#8221; causing climate change. We are too small and insignificant.<br />
It is <strong>Industry</strong> that we created, and wield that has brought about this global crisis.</p>
<p>And why is he not in jail yet? what is going on with the Abrahmoff business?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4258682', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: fletc3her</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/07/delay-man-is-not-causing-climate-change/comment-page-3/#comment-4258543</link>
		<dc:creator>fletc3her</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just turn of the last century thinking.  At one point there was an idea that you could just dump sewage and industrial byproducts into the lakes and bays in this country.  They thought the water was so vast and humans so insignificant that the water would just cleanse all these contaminants out.

Of course, later we discover that bodies of water like the Charles River in Boston, the Duwamish in Seattle, and even all of Chesapeake Bay are grossly polluted.  Here in Seattle, there was a major effort through the fifties and sixties to clean up Lake Washington and just recently the lake has been declared safe for swimming again.

This head in the sand thinking is not conservative.  It is a willful avoidance of facts which stare us plainly in the face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just turn of the last century thinking.  At one point there was an idea that you could just dump sewage and industrial byproducts into the lakes and bays in this country.  They thought the water was so vast and humans so insignificant that the water would just cleanse all these contaminants out.</p>
<p>Of course, later we discover that bodies of water like the Charles River in Boston, the Duwamish in Seattle, and even all of Chesapeake Bay are grossly polluted.  Here in Seattle, there was a major effort through the fifties and sixties to clean up Lake Washington and just recently the lake has been declared safe for swimming again.</p>
<p>This head in the sand thinking is not conservative.  It is a willful avoidance of facts which stare us plainly in the face.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4258543', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/07/delay-man-is-not-causing-climate-change/comment-page-3/#comment-4258472</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DeLay: â€˜Man Is Not Causing Climate Changeâ€™

A statement, and a man, who would rightly count for nothing unless it is given attention. Congrats.

What did Rush Limbaugh say today ? Itâ€™s been a few days since youâ€™ve extended his audience here.

Comment by Kilo 


Well that may be true these days......now that we are a nation of Jimmy Jones kool aid drinkers......

Used to be that you could shine a light on ignorance and kinda push it back into the dark.  Not so much these days.

We only really get one chance though if we are wrong so it&#039;s kinda like...

If at first you don&#039;t succeed
skydiving is not for you...........same result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeLay: â€˜Man Is Not Causing Climate Changeâ€™</p>
<p>A statement, and a man, who would rightly count for nothing unless it is given attention. Congrats.</p>
<p>What did Rush Limbaugh say today ? Itâ€™s been a few days since youâ€™ve extended his audience here.</p>
<p>Comment by Kilo </p>
<p>Well that may be true these days&#8230;&#8230;now that we are a nation of Jimmy Jones kool aid drinkers&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Used to be that you could shine a light on ignorance and kinda push it back into the dark.  Not so much these days.</p>
<p>We only really get one chance though if we are wrong so it&#8217;s kinda like&#8230;</p>
<p>If at first you don&#8217;t succeed<br />
skydiving is not for you&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..same result.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4258472', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bunsk</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/07/delay-man-is-not-causing-climate-change/comment-page-3/#comment-4258426</link>
		<dc:creator>bunsk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is anybody even talking to this guy any more? Why does he get any press?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is anybody even talking to this guy any more? Why does he get any press?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4258426', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Godfry Daniel</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/07/delay-man-is-not-causing-climate-change/comment-page-3/#comment-4258396</link>
		<dc:creator>Godfry Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See for yourself the level of infestation. To think that humans are not affecting the climate and ecology of the earth is not only stupid, it is cowardly.

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/NIGHTLIGHTS.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See for yourself the level of infestation. To think that humans are not affecting the climate and ecology of the earth is not only stupid, it is cowardly.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/NIGHTLIGHTS.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/NIGHTLIGHTS.html</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4258396', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Zimzone</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/07/delay-man-is-not-causing-climate-change/comment-page-2/#comment-4258394</link>
		<dc:creator>Zimzone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Delay on MSNBC is as bad as Hillary on Fox. WTF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delay on MSNBC is as bad as Hillary on Fox. WTF?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4258394', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TXProgressive</title>
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		<dc:creator>TXProgressive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched the interview and couldn&#039;t believe what I was seeing/hearing.  I think someone needs to expand his reading list...Mr. Delay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched the interview and couldn&#8217;t believe what I was seeing/hearing.  I think someone needs to expand his reading list&#8230;Mr. Delay.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4258393', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: jpopphan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpopphan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 13:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were it not so sad, this would be laughable.  Of course, one day this clip will be shown to illustrate how ridiculous global warming deniers really were.

Delay clearly has no idea what he&#039;s talking about.  He may know about pesticides and killing rodents, but he knows nothing about science and the scientific process.  Only someone like Tom &quot;The Bug Man&quot; Delay who has been living under a rock for the past 20 years could actually go on network television, to be seen the world over, and claim that man couldn&#039;t possibly have contributed to global warming.

Note that one of the key phrases he uses is &quot;undermine our economy&quot;.  Since he is a &quot;conservative&quot;, he of course is thinking of the here and now and not about tomorrow.  His short-sighted thinking is sadly the norm among his ilk.

One more thing... why in the hell does anyone give Tom Delay a single second of air time?  He was one of the most corrupt politicians to ever have served in Congress.  He spearheaded some of the worst legislation to pass the GOP-controlled Congress.  He spewed lies and hatred every single day he served in Congress and has continued since he left.  Just what exactly does a &quot;conservative&quot; have to do in order to lose the media spotlight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were it not so sad, this would be laughable.  Of course, one day this clip will be shown to illustrate how ridiculous global warming deniers really were.</p>
<p>Delay clearly has no idea what he&#8217;s talking about.  He may know about pesticides and killing rodents, but he knows nothing about science and the scientific process.  Only someone like Tom &#8220;The Bug Man&#8221; Delay who has been living under a rock for the past 20 years could actually go on network television, to be seen the world over, and claim that man couldn&#8217;t possibly have contributed to global warming.</p>
<p>Note that one of the key phrases he uses is &#8220;undermine our economy&#8221;.  Since he is a &#8220;conservative&#8221;, he of course is thinking of the here and now and not about tomorrow.  His short-sighted thinking is sadly the norm among his ilk.</p>
<p>One more thing&#8230; why in the hell does anyone give Tom Delay a single second of air time?  He was one of the most corrupt politicians to ever have served in Congress.  He spearheaded some of the worst legislation to pass the GOP-controlled Congress.  He spewed lies and hatred every single day he served in Congress and has continued since he left.  Just what exactly does a &#8220;conservative&#8221; have to do in order to lose the media spotlight?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4258365', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: toasterhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>toasterhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;One theory that makes more sense to me is increased solar activity which would account for the warming that is simulataneously occuring on the other planets in our solar system while the man-made global warming theory does not.

Comment by The Young Dude â€” February 8, 2008 @ 2:28 am&lt;/i&gt;

And this theory has been disproven by the evidence.  Solar activity has not increased significantly in recent decades.

Mars, Pluto, and Jupiter may indeed be warming.  They are different planets with their own &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Milankovitch cycles&lt;/a&gt; that are very likely causing changes in their temperature.  The Earth has these cycles, too.  However, human activity is adding a different dimension to the Earth&#039;s natural climate cycles, with the potential for catastrophic change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One theory that makes more sense to me is increased solar activity which would account for the warming that is simulataneously occuring on the other planets in our solar system while the man-made global warming theory does not.</p>
<p>Comment by The Young Dude â€” February 8, 2008 @ 2:28 am</i></p>
<p>And this theory has been disproven by the evidence.  Solar activity has not increased significantly in recent decades.</p>
<p>Mars, Pluto, and Jupiter may indeed be warming.  They are different planets with their own <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles" rel="nofollow">Milankovitch cycles</a> that are very likely causing changes in their temperature.  The Earth has these cycles, too.  However, human activity is adding a different dimension to the Earth&#8217;s natural climate cycles, with the potential for catastrophic change.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4258345', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: PeterW</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeterW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#88, you&#039;re simply wrong. Solar activity is measured, and changes in that area are orders of magnitude too small to account for measured warming.

Furthermore, it&#039;s a proven fact that CO2 causes warming; that&#039;s an inherent property of the infra-red spectroscopy of the gas. More CO2 = less heat escapes into space = terrestrial temperature rises until a new equilibrium is reached.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#88, you&#8217;re simply wrong. Solar activity is measured, and changes in that area are orders of magnitude too small to account for measured warming.</p>
<p>Furthermore, it&#8217;s a proven fact that CO2 causes warming; that&#8217;s an inherent property of the infra-red spectroscopy of the gas. More CO2 = less heat escapes into space = terrestrial temperature rises until a new equilibrium is reached.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4258337', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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