Lamar Smith: ‘99% of Americans’ support waterboarding.
Lamar Smith: ‘99% of Americans’ support waterboarding.
When questioning Attorney General Michael Mukasey today, Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) insisted that “99% of Americans would support” waterboarding, and emphasized that the Bush administration should “not be defensive about using” the technique:
In regard to interrogation techniques — and I know you’re going to be asked a lot of questions about that today — I just want to express the personal opinion that I hope the administration will not be defensive about using some admittedly harsh but nonlethal interrogation techniques, even techniques that might lead someone to believe they’re being drowned even if they’re not.
My guess is that 99 percent of the American people, if asked whether they would endorse such interrogation techniques to be conducted on a known terrorist with the expectation that information that might be derived from such interrogation would save the lives of thousands of Americans, that 99 percent of the American people would support such interrogation techniques.
As Paul Kiel points out, a recent CNN poll showed that 68% of Americans said waterboarding was torture, and 58% said the U.S. should not be allowed to use the technique against suspected terrorists.
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only 58% said waterboarding should not be allowed. That is sad. Really sad. That so many people would condone the use of torture is just plain sad.
February 7th, 2008 at 9:54 pmJust sing along with Lamar: “Later on, we’ll be waterboarding… walking in a fascist wonderland…”
February 7th, 2008 at 9:57 pmSo 10% said that it WAS torture, but that we should go ahead and use it. Gee, I can’t figure out why our global reputation is in tatters…
February 7th, 2008 at 9:57 pmLet’s not split hairs now. 42% is pretty close to 99%, right? They’re both double digits.
February 7th, 2008 at 9:59 pmRep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) insisted that “99% of Americans would support†waterboarding
Another instance of the wrong wing’s rocky relationship with facts…
February 7th, 2008 at 9:59 pmOn the table Lamar, now about that parking ticket you said you didn’t do……….
February 7th, 2008 at 10:00 pmSorry if I insult those truly good folks from Texas, but isn’t it funny how many idiot politicians are from Texas? Home of the bug stomper as well… Why do you good folks vote these idiots who have lost their humanity to office?
February 7th, 2008 at 10:07 pmRep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) insisted that “99% of Americans would support†waterboarding
Another instance of the wrong wing’s rocky relationship with facts…
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 7, 2008 @ 9:59 pm
FACTS!! We don’t need no stinking facts!!
February 7th, 2008 at 10:11 pmI take a bottle of salt water every day and spray it up my nose, in liquid form. Keeps my sinuses clear like nothing else I’ve ever tried.
So what could possibly be so bad about waterboarding? They should THANK them for the treatment.
Note: Sarcasm mode ON.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:18 pmeven techniques that might lead someone to believe they’re being drowned even if they’re not.
Lamar makes waterboarding sound like some silly little ruse that we are playing on some hatefull, head chopping terraist. Why the guy will only be bothered if he “believes the BS about being drowned.” I mean, who should he believe? Lamar or his own lying lungs.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:20 pmEven were it true and even if all Americans supported torture that would not make it right. To believe that most people believe something is not evidence to support the truth or falsity of anything. Most people may believe many things that are false and most people may disbelieve many that are true. The scientific method uses experiment to establish pr disestablish facts. I think therefore that we should ask our 100 Senators to submit to waterboarding after reminding them that by doing this they will be assuring their constituents that it can and should be done to terror suspects to save American lives. We should also choose, by lottery from volunteers, 100 Americans to conduct waterboarding on these 100 Senators. The results of such an experiment would be most interesting. My “guess” is that 99% of our Senators would decline to be waterboarded but that 99% of Americans would sign up to have the opportunity to waterboard them.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:21 pmBesides the quoted percentages about how many Americans would support it being a little skewed….the premise is 100% wrong!!!!!
Torture is NOT an effective tool for gathering information, but if you tell Americans it is they will probably think that is the truth. But it isn’t.
These quotes of Lamar Smith make him sound ignorant and a liar to boot.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:21 pmTORTURE on prisioners of war is illegal and amounts to WAR CRIMES. This War is illegal!
February 7th, 2008 at 10:21 pm99% of Americans think torture is ok…I agree. I bet only about 1% of the population has taken place in anti-Bush/war/torture/etc marches and put their bodies behind their voices….so yeah I guess the other 99% are ok with it.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:26 pmLyin’ Lamar was a major enabler of Tom Delay while the Bugman was under investigation for ethics violations. This included Lamar donating $10k to Delay’s legal defense fund while a member of the House Ethics Committee. Smith oozes corruption — so telling whoppers like this one most certainly comes easy for him as this level of dishonesty appears to be his stock in trade.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32389-2005Mar13.html
February 7th, 2008 at 10:37 pm99% of Americans do not really know what waterboarding is.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:37 pm99% wants accountability! 99% wants to see the War Criminals in the WH and in the Pentagon, behind barrs!
February 7th, 2008 at 10:41 pmLets waterboard republicans.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:46 pmLet’s ask ol’ Lamar if he’d be willing to undergo waterboarding so that he’d have first-hand experience before making statements about the technique. Live on the evening news, of course. Betcha his face wouldn’t be the only part of his body getting wet.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:46 pmMy guess is that 99 percent of the American people, if asked whether they would endorse such interrogation techniques to be conducted on a known terrorist with the expectation that information that might be derived from such interrogation would save the lives of thousands of Americans…
– Rep. Lamar Smith
And mine is that about that many, if given reliable information that pigs could fly and had been sighted doing so in their neighborhood, would start keeping umbrellas handy.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:47 pmHas Lamar Smith been waterboarded yet?
February 7th, 2008 at 10:49 pmQuestion: are we waterboarding terrorists before or after they’ve been tried and successfully convicted of terrorist activities against the U.S. in a court of law?
Because…if they haven’t been convicted, then they are only alleged terrorists. Right? And we are thus torturing those who are innocent until proven guilty. Right?
February 7th, 2008 at 10:52 pmWhen Lamar Smith is waterboarded he will call it torture. I hope on his next visit to the Middle East he doesn’t announce who he is. Now as for the AG Musk Rat he’s just in the DOJ to stall the criminal cases against the White House and Appointees. Musk Rat sounds just like Al Gonzales the liar.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:53 pmThe CIA tapes were destroyed not because they show the USA torturing a war prisioner, but because there was no confession to the 9/11 plot. These war criminals are playing with the population on the debate of waterboarding, which is illegal under International law. The only “evidence” they have of a cofession to the 9/11 plot were this tapes and their word. Do I beleive in the words of criminals that sacred people by saying “mushroom clouds”, “WMD”, “45 min to attack”, and sat on the NIE report about the nonexistent Iranian Nuclear program and still lied to everybody about how close Iran was to a Nuclear weapon?! Do I beleive in the words of war criminals that have pardoned Scooter Libby? They also said that Saddam Hussein was procuring Nuclear Weapons. They said that Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons on its people. He did, but they omited the fact (which is on the congress libary records) that those Chemical weapons were given to Saddam by the USA! Theu were made and given to saddam by the USA!
February 7th, 2008 at 10:53 pmThe Republicans and their followers have been reduced to the dumbest of the dumb; America’s dumbest.
Thank God the coming political tsunami is going to wash them away next November.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:54 pmMaybe America can regain some of it’s standing and respect back and we can begin to repair and rebuild what they have tried to destroy.
My guess is that 99 percent of the American people, if asked whether they would endorse such interrogation techniques to be conducted on a known terrorist with the expectation that information that might be derived from such interrogation would save the lives of thousands of Americans…
– Rep. Lamar Smith
Don’t forget the margin of error for your guess, Lamar, which means that as many as 103% of the American people might support waterboarding.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:55 pmI’ll send Rep. Lamar and the committe a better poll than the CNN.
Comment by justasking — February 7, 2008 @ 10:52 pm
I detect the hint of a French accent there…
February 7th, 2008 at 10:56 pmSorry about my spelling mistakes and grammar errors… english is a second language to me! “These tapes” “in the Congressional Libary records”!!!
February 7th, 2008 at 11:00 pmI suggest that we all carry around in our vehicles our very own waterboarding kit: a gallon of water (distilled, of course) and a roll of your favorite brand of plastic wrap. The next time you run across a Republican supporter of this “war” and the waterboarding technique, ask them if they’d be willing to demonstrate how it works.
February 7th, 2008 at 11:01 pmMaybe America can regain some of it’s standing and respect back and we can begin to repair and rebuild what they have tried to destroy.
Comment by flavorino
February 7th, 2008 at 11:03 pmIt certainly can! But it has to start by holding accountable their WAR CRIMINAL in the very same manner they delt with Saddam Hussein, otherwise it will be very very difficult!
Waterboarding is illegal under International law! The debate now heated up by Republicans addmiting to it is just to take the attention away of the CIA tapes destructions. There was no confession of a 9/11 plot! That is the point! We can only rely on the Words of criminals who do not speak without a lie!
February 7th, 2008 at 11:07 pmWhy even debate torture/waterboarding when it doesn’t work? No valuable info has been gained from these illegal activities, has it? And the fact that this administration’s DNI has admitted to using waterboarding, but no one will be held accountable says a lot about the state of our country.
Then again, nothing has been gained from this illegal war either…but I digress.
February 7th, 2008 at 11:08 pmThis idiot is in the 21st district, a gerrymandered district that cuts through the wealthiest areas in Austin, intended to eliminate democratic as well as minority voters.
Tom Delay really screwed Texas over, and Bush’s corrupt DOJ let them get away with it.
You can see how they split up us anoying progressive Austing Travis county voters here
February 7th, 2008 at 11:11 pmAustin, Travis County voters, not Austing lol
February 7th, 2008 at 11:13 pmComment by Wayne — February 7, 2008 @ 11:11 pm
That shit should be totally illegal — if it’s not already.
February 7th, 2008 at 11:15 pmLesson for Lamar Smith — if you’re going to pull a number out of your a$$, try to make it a realistic one. It’s very difficult to get a majority of Americans to believe they are in the 1%.
February 7th, 2008 at 11:19 pm“My guess is that 99 percent of the American people, if asked whether they would endorse such interrogation techniques to be conducted on a known terrorist with the expectation that information that might be derived from such interrogation would save the lives of thousands of Americans, that 99 percent of the American people would support such interrogation techniques.”
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It’s that “expectation” that kind of motivates Smith’s number here. Let’s try a little rewording here.
“My guess is that 99 percent of the American people, if asked whether they would endorse being sprinkled with fairy dust with the expectation that they could fly as a result, that 99 percent of the American people would support such fairy dust sprinkling.”
Unfortunately for Smith — both the expectation that waterboarding provides useful information and the expectation that being sprinkled with fairy dust enables one to fly are fantasies.
February 7th, 2008 at 11:23 pmThat shit should be totally illegal — if it’s not already.
Comment by Zooey — February 7, 2008 @ 11:15 pm
Oh, it was, pre-BushWorld. Now? Who can tell WTF is illegal anymore and if the damn Democrats will ever really do anything about it or keep sitting with their thumbs up their a$$es.
I sound cynical, don’t I?
February 7th, 2008 at 11:24 pmRep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) insisted that “99% of Americans would support†waterboarding
uh, NOOOOooo…this asshat thinks that what he thinks is fact, sorta like our scum sucking trolls here.
These people are sick in the head.
Buck Fush
February 7th, 2008 at 11:29 pmI sound cynical, don’t I?
Comment by Wayne — February 7, 2008 @ 11:24 pm
We’re all starting to sound that way, Wayne. :(
February 7th, 2008 at 11:29 pmThese people are sick in the head.
Comment by Buckie Boy — February 7, 2008 @ 11:29 pm
He has his facts all wrong
February 7th, 2008 at 11:35 pmIt’s 99% of South Austin that would support waterboarding….. Lamar Smith.
All right, this SOB is going wayyy too far, imo.
Time to pull a bit of the V for Ven on his a$$.
February 7th, 2008 at 11:35 pmLamar Smith: ‘99% of Americans’ support waterboarding.
CORRECTION : 99% of GOP backers support waterboarding ; they are not Americans , anyway…….
February 7th, 2008 at 11:38 pm99% of Americans support waterboarding Lamar Smith.
February 7th, 2008 at 11:38 pm“So 10% said that it WAS torture, but that we should go ahead and use it. Gee, I can’t figure out why our global reputation is in tatters…”
Amazing how cowardly and moral people are, eh? And Christians say atheists are naturally immoral. I am guessing atheists are not going to wimp out because the rest of the country are a bunch of whimpering pansies. Yeah, you Christians.
February 7th, 2008 at 11:42 pmHey, Lamar, you might be right. Let’s put it to the taste test.
Take 99% of your family and closest friends – and you can pick which ones – waterboard them, and then let’s take a poll.
And just for ghits and shiggles, let’s also ask them for “information that might be derived from such interrogation would save the lives of thousands of Americans” and see what they actually say.
If 99% of them endorse this technique, and don’t say anything stupid just to end the waterboarding, I’ll apologize, buy you a beer, and we’ll have a good ol’ Texas laugh over it.
February 7th, 2008 at 11:46 pmOther than lies (according to polls) what do you have to offer, Lamar? Oh, you are from Texas. Untouchable.
February 7th, 2008 at 11:48 pmAmazing how cowardly and moral people are, eh? And Christians say atheists are naturally immoral. I am guessing atheists are not going to wimp out because the rest of the country are a bunch of whimpering pansies. Yeah, you Christians.
Comment by Sabyen91 — February 7, 2008 @ 11:42 pm
I can say this, for myself. If they ever waterboarded me or anyone of my friends or family, they better not let me live.
February 7th, 2008 at 11:55 pmI am with you Wayne. They say they are not creating terrorists but they are encarcerating innocent people (people being “caught” by Afghani bounty hunters) and torturing them…and then they finally release them after realizing they did nothing wrong??? I would be killing Americans after that. As many as possible.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:01 amJust ask these religious and moral people one question. WWJT? Translation: Who would Jesus Torture? It is time to put impeachment back on the table. And we have Mukasey to add to the list of officials who have committed high crimes and misdemeanors by refusing to honor his oath and allowing criminals to get away with torture.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:09 amWatching the reruns of Smith’s comments, and those of the other republicans on the panel. One curious thing is the intensity of message members of the panel are giving to the topic of intellectual property protection, and prosecution of those who violate American copyright statutes. It’s the second thing each member talks of, after the issues of torture and Fisa. I wonder… are they giving Mukasey a sublimated message? That it’s ok to use anything that Justice happens to dig up about other crimes, while wiretapping Americans in search of terrorists? Like violations of American patent and copyright laws?
February 8th, 2008 at 12:36 amIf the information gleaned from waterboarding is known by intelligence experts to be unreliable and is inadmissable in court, and if much of the 9/11 Commission Report is based on testimony from Khalid Sheikh Muhammad and Abu Zubaydah, who we now know were waterboarded, it kinda makes you wonder how much of the 9/11 Commission Report is utter horseshit.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:41 amLamar Smith — what a despicable embarrassment in our House of Representatives.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:47 amI’m sorry, wartwerboarfingb is torture
February 8th, 2008 at 12:48 amWARTERBOARDING IS TORTURE !!
February 8th, 2008 at 12:53 amThey say they are not creating terrorists but they are encarcerating innocent people (people being “caught†by Afghani bounty hunters) and torturing them…and then they finally release them after realizing they did nothing wrong??? I would be killing Americans after that. As many as possible.
Comment by Sabyen91 — February 8, 2008 @ 12:01 am
This American Life interviewed two former Guantanamo detainees for a show last year, and their stories are absolutely chilling. Neither of them had anything to do with al-Qa’ida or the Taliban – they were either in the wrong place at the wrong time, or said the wrong things about the wrong people. But they were picked up, detained for years, and “aggressively interrogated.”
What’s amazing to me is how non-bitter they are to the U.S. and to Americans. They seem to know that the problem is not our country, just our country’s hijackers.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:54 amJust 3 high level terrorists were waterboarded 5 years ago and the U.S. hasn’t done it since, yet TP keeps beating a dead issue. America is losing interest quickly.
Comment by good_golly — February 8, 2008 @ 12:50 am
A crime is a crime, golly_goofy, and we are a nation of Laws.
No one is above the Law.
That is the foundation of this Country.
Are you advocating forgetting a clear violation of the Law?
February 8th, 2008 at 12:55 amAre you sick in the head?
Just 3 high level terrorists were waterboarded 5 years ago and the U.S. hasn’t done it since, yet TP keeps beating a dead issue. America is losing interest quickly.
Comment by good_golly — February 8, 2008 @ 12:50 am
America is losing the respect of the civilized world even more quickly.
Posts like yours are the reason why.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:56 amPosts like yours are the reason why.
Comment by toasterhead — February 8, 2008 @ 12:56 am
Yeah, that one deserves getting the heck flaged out over that.
February 8th, 2008 at 1:00 amThat is one sick troll.
“What’s amazing to me is how non-bitter they are to the U.S. and to Americans. They seem to know that the problem is not our country, just our country’s hijackers.”
I would be what they call an extremist after that. Republicans really need to just die.
February 8th, 2008 at 1:16 amRepublicans really need to just die.
Comment by Sabyen91 — February 8, 2008 @ 1:16 am
Fair trials first. Remember, we are NOT Republicans.
February 8th, 2008 at 1:29 amHopefully, Lamar will not reproduce.
February 8th, 2008 at 1:35 amFortunately, g_g doesn’t speak for America.
Yes, it does matter. No, the rest of the country has not lost interest.
February 8th, 2008 at 1:37 amAre you advocating forgetting a clear violation of the Law?
Are you sick in the head?
Comment by Wayne — February 8, 2008 @ 12:55 am
good_golly has already made it amply clear that he does not believe in the rule of law, or at least that laws should not be applied to Republicans. This is part of his overall philosophy that the ends justify the means and two wrongs make a right. He also has expressed the opinion that any behavior which falls just sort of Saddam’s behavior is okay. “Better than Saddam” is where he places the bar for Bush and the gang.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:03 amJust 3 high level terrorists were waterboarded 5 years ago and the U.S. hasn’t done it since, yet TP keeps beating a dead issue. America is losing interest quickly.
Comment by good_golly — February 8, 2008 @ 12:50 am
according to lamar 99% of americans disagree with you, you liberal traitor.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:08 am“Just 3 high level terrorists were waterboarded 5 years ago and the U.S. hasn’t done it since, yet TP keeps beating a dead issue. America is losing interest quickly.
Comment by good_golly — February 8, 2008 @ 12:50 am”
WTF are you talking about? Proove it, asshat.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:25 am“The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home.” ~ James Madison
February 8th, 2008 at 2:25 amYOU HAVE 100% OF MY SUPPORT TO WATERBOARD Rep. LAMAR SMITH!
February 8th, 2008 at 2:25 amgood golly know EXACTLY how many people were waterboarded. Troll.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:27 amIf the information gleaned from waterboarding is known by intelligence experts to be unreliable and is inadmissable in court, and if much of the 9/11 Commission Report is based on testimony from Khalid Sheikh Muhammad and Abu Zubaydah, who we now know were waterboarded, it kinda makes you wonder how much of the 9/11 Commission Report is utter horseshit.
Comment by toasterhead — February 8, 2008 @ 12:41 am
February 8th, 2008 at 2:35 amThat is precisely my point! For them to come a say we waterboarded three “terrorist” suspects, is only a game to heat up the debate on torture and forget the fact the the only “confession” they have about a alledged 9/11 plot, on tape, has been destroyed. We have only the words of criminals that lied about the reazon to invade and occupy Iraq and Afeganistan. The same people dismissed the NIE report on the nonexistent of Iranian nuclear weapon program. And continued to advocate the threat… same modus operandi of the Iraq invazion.
“BREAKING THE SILENCE” a film by John Pilger. YOUTUBE IT!
99% support waterboarding in the ocean…
February 8th, 2008 at 2:42 amSince the Bugman thinks that waterboarding is such a great idea, they should use this method if he testifies in his upcoming trial (hopefully there still is one). It might improve his memory. And if not, waterboard him until he admits to everything and then face the consequences for everything to which he has confessed.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:47 amWaterboard Smith. Then ask him if he supports it. Better yet stick a fire hose up his ass and blow his dentures across the room.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:48 am.
F A C T:
Senator Lemar doesn’t use facts.
Lemar is a lamer.
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February 8th, 2008 at 3:05 amRep. Lamar Smith meant that 99% of his friends (all conservative Republicans, of course) support waterboarding.
** roll eyes **
February 8th, 2008 at 4:00 amBecause 9/11 was perpetrated by Saudis does that mean I can murder a Saudi with impunity? Oh, not murder, just torture…
February 8th, 2008 at 5:00 amLet’s face it–If a Democratic administration had been caught using waterboarding, there would be no phony debate on whether waterboarding is torture.
February 8th, 2008 at 6:34 amIsn’t this kilo clown an aussie? If so g’day mate and piss off. Let me guess another guy who pisses his pants whenever his government says”the turrurist are gonna git ya. Probably supports the quagmire in eye-rack too without ever wearing a uniform.
February 8th, 2008 at 6:44 am“There is no intermediate status; nobody in enemy hands can be outside the law,”[1]
February 8th, 2008 at 6:53 am“If civilians directly engage in hostilities, they are considered “unlawful” or “unprivileged” combatants or belligerents (the treaties of humanitarian law do not expressly contain these terms). They may be prosecuted under the domestic law of the detaining state for such action. Both lawful and unlawful combatants may be interned in wartime, may be interrogated and may be prosecuted for war crimes. Both are entitled to humane treatment in the hands of the enemy.” [4]
Key words HUMANE TREATMENT!NOBODY IN ENEMY HANDS CAN BE OUTSIDE THE LAW. Maybe assclown like keelo should actually read the Geneva Convention.
#58 – Comment by good_golly — February 8, 2008 @ 12:50 am
And your proof for this asinine assumption of “facts”?
February 8th, 2008 at 7:35 amThis place spends quite a lot of time complaining about politicians redefining concepts like torture. Yet what, it’s okay for you to redefine the geneva conventions ? How is one okay and not the other ?
Comment by Kilo — February 8, 2008 @ 5:11 am
Torture is a violation not only of the Geneva Convention, but of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and the Convention Against Torture.
February 8th, 2008 at 7:39 amLamar Smith is a disgraceful excuse for a representative of the people. He won’t be able to walk on the streets of Texas any longer without being harassed and having water thrown in his face.
February 8th, 2008 at 7:43 amWhat’s most indicting here and becomes irrelevant since this is law as stated by Toasterhead above is the fact that it’s even being discussed at all since it’s illegal. They’re attempting to parse it and redefine it in order to keep themselves from being tried by the Hague and imprisoned by the international court. This is not a discussable or negotiable item. Waterboarding IS torture – end of discussion.
February 8th, 2008 at 7:45 amAnd my guess is that 99 percent of the American people, if asked, would say that you’re a lying sack of crap, Lamar.
That’s a more realisting poll.
Theresa
February 8th, 2008 at 7:46 amArg, “realistic”.
February 8th, 2008 at 7:47 amAlso indicting is the fact that this dictator and his sycophant cronies in congress have NEVER, get that NEVER, considered the opinion of the american people to be relevant or noteworthy. Now, since their asses are on the grill for violating the law, Lamar brings up some bogus percentage from a fabricated poll of the american people.
Since when does this criminal in the WH care what the people think and since the poll is most assuredly fiction, why is he now attempting to sway the minds of his own people? Jail does frightening things to people and he knows that the moment he steps out of office, he’s fair game.
This is laughable and Lamar should be ashamed of himself – 1) to use a fabricated, totally bogus poll number publicly which is a downright lie and 2) to even imply that he, his cronies, and his criminal boss would ever care about a statistic involving the american people.
If they did, we’d be out of Iraq long ago. What fools!
February 8th, 2008 at 7:49 amwhatevah,we wouldn’t want to decide policy according to polls, isn’t that what the neo-cons have been preaching for years. FLIP-FLOP!
February 8th, 2008 at 8:06 amWhere did metric boy go. Masturbating to pics of guys getting shot in the head?
February 8th, 2008 at 8:07 amThis place spends quite a lot of time complaining about politicians redefining concepts like torture.
Yes it does. It perhaps doesn’t spend enough time complaining about politicians not impeaching people who have secretly tried to redefine torture, but this place’s heart is nonetheless in the right place.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:18 amI support waterboarding Cheney, Bush, Gonzales, Yoo, Mukasey, and all the others involved, and, most especially, Lamar Smith.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:22 amI fear keelo is just a troll, and not even a good one. According to his logic we shouldn’t even bother with detaining these turrurist we should just shoot them all in the head.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:26 amWe have a terrorist problem in this country.
THE TALIBAN WING OF THE CON PARTY.
The same 32% who support Bush support torture.
We may need it to break the Taliban of the GOP.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:28 amWe have a terrorist problem in this country.
THE TALIBAN WING OF THE CON PARTY.
And we have the law on our side to lock them up indefinately without a trial. All republican politicians are enemy combatants.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:44 amWhat he meant to say was 99% of Republicans support torture, including the so-called “Christian” ones. Shameful.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:45 amHow hypocritical for these conjobs to be spouting off poll numbers when their Jefe has said repeatedly that he doesn’t listen to polls. Hah! When they’re down and out and may be facing prison time, they even make up polls and shove them in our faces. Do they really believe that americans are morons?
It’s time to call a spade a spade. The GOP is our own homegrown enemy within. If another repuke gets into the white house we can kiss this country of ours good-bye. I’m not even sure a dem can fix the mess we’re in, thanks to Bushitco.
If they rig the polls in November or if there’s a false flag before November, we can look forward to a civil war again in this country – the people versus the politicians. Even Pelosi and Reid betrayed us.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:50 amJust saw the Chimp saying of Huffpo that Hillary and Obama are a threat to our prosperity and peace. WTF is this idiot talking about? HE and HE ALONE have destroyed our prosperity and engaged us in an illegal war which is destroying this entire country – it’s people and it’s economy. What planet is this fool living on anyway?
February 8th, 2008 at 8:52 amit kinda makes you wonder how much of the 9/11 Commission Report is utter horseshit.
Comment by toasterhead — February 8, 2008 @ 12:41 am
Without doubt, at the very minimum the info gleaned from Bush and Cheney’s “interview,” conducted as they held hands, surely is.
February 8th, 2008 at 9:14 amTotal U.S. gross for “Taxi to Dark Side†to date: $31,958.
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2008/0TTDS.php
As I stated: You are beating a dead horse. America is losing interest.
Comment by good_golly — February 8, 2008 @ 8:50 am
Considering that the documentary is being shown in a grand total of 4 theaters as of the first of this month, your assertion that “America is losing interest” is really a pile of ____.
February 8th, 2008 at 9:21 amComment by good_golly — February 8, 2008 @ 8:50 am
Oh, and I wonder if you’d answer this question:
Is it OK for one of our enemies to waterboard a U.S. troop?
February 8th, 2008 at 9:22 amGood_golly, a quick look at Google shows there were a little over 37,000 screens in America in 1999. Let’s assume this is the number today (yet it is likely higher); that’s 4 out of 37,000 showing the documentary. You are an idiot.
February 8th, 2008 at 9:30 amThis is the link to the info I posted above.
February 8th, 2008 at 9:31 am58% said the U.S. should not be allowed to use the technique against suspected terrorists.
I think this is an alarmingly low number and the sad part is that it may be close to right……I see no outrage at the local level over torture….the attitude seems to be that it comes with war….inevetable, etc.
just shows how far down they have taken us……
February 8th, 2008 at 9:57 amI don’t give a rat’s ass what 99% think.
IT’S FCUKING ILLEGAL.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:16 amI don’t give a rat’s ass what 99% think.
IT’S FCUKING ILLEGAL.
Comment by DieNowForPeace
I honestly think they intend to change that. I’m starting to think they will be able to.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:20 amMy guess is that 99 percent of the American people, if asked whether they would endorse such interrogation techniques to be conducted on a known terrorist with the expectation that information that might be derived from such interrogation would save the lives of thousands of Americans, that 99 percent of the American people would support such interrogation techniques.
My bolds above reflect a couple of key points. Were they really “known” terrorists? Please provide the information that the “three” were known. Oh wait, that’s right, you don’t have any documentation, do ya!
Also, by your interpretation of saving lives, I’m assuming 99% of Americans, if asked whether they would endorse stem cell research if it “would save the lives of thousands of children inflicted with cancer”, that 99 percent would support such research.
See, I can live hypothetically as well!
DOLT!
February 8th, 2008 at 10:28 amComment by DRxJ
there seems to be no outrage about this……and they keep pushing it out front…….
February 8th, 2008 at 10:47 amthere seems to be no outrage about this……and they keep pushing it out front…….
Comment by Fred — February 8, 2008 @ 10:47 am
And yet, when I confronted the trolls regarding ” if we do it, so can they” scenario, they ultimately never reply.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:55 amI mean, c’mon, how would we feel, as a country, if the Iraqi Army had done that to our captured soldiers over there? Would we be pussyfooting around the terminology of torture? Hell no, we’d demand that they stop they interrogation immediately, or else.
Funny, isn’t it, when you actually walk in other’s shoes. Too bad this administration can’t.
(c)hristians, my a$$!!!!
My guess is that 100% of the moronic trolls on this site support any kind of torture that gets them off.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:57 amComment by DRxJ — February 8, 2008 @ 10:55 am
Amen, Dr!
February 8th, 2008 at 11:17 amLamar Smith may be willing to sell his soul to the devil…
but please Lamar, speak for yourself.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:05 pmJust another MORON REICH WINGER who still licking the boots of the BUSHCO crime family.Apparently he is still out of touch with the left not mention some REICH WINGERS.This whole administrtion is creepy as hell.Check out the 14 points of authortarianism and see the paralell`s to BUSHCO.
February 8th, 2008 at 1:48 pmI just called Lamar Smith’s office to complain about this idiotic statement and demand a public retraction & apology. What about the military families who are fearful that US violation of international laws against torture puts their sons and daughters in grave danger? Does Lamar Smith just jump whenever Bush and his Crooks tell him to jump?
Call today and leave a message — 1-800-828-0498 — ask for Lamar Alexander.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:11 pm