Bush: McCain will best carry out my agenda.
On Fox News today, Time’s Mark Halperin said, “The President behind the scenes has told people for months that he thought McCain would be the nominee. Even during some of those dark periods he still thought he could win. And also that McCain would be the best to carry forth his agenda.” Watch it:
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Great for McTreason to have an endoresment from the HEAD GENOCIDAL TRAITOR to the USA.
That and Bolton’s endorsement, and HIS of Bolton should end his chances…
February 8th, 2008 at 8:03 pmSpread that word fox. make sure everyone knows that a vote for mcain is a votefor bush.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:07 pmI sure can’t wait for the general election. McCain has so much fodder around him for attack ads, this one being the latest.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:09 pmIt’s like being kissed by the mob boss.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:13 pmNice to have known ya, John.
Bush’s agenda + McCain’s Presidential nomination = Kiss of Death in November election.
People are sick and tired or being sick and tired of another President (McCain) to carry out another Bush’s 3rd term. Yes, word will be spread that a vote for McCain means a Bush 3rd term.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:13 pmMc BUSH
February 8th, 2008 at 8:14 pmGuess this means that McCain will give bush a prime time speaking slot at the Republic convention.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:15 pmSP Biloxi, curse you, you beat me to it.! I wasn’t too worried about McCave before, but now, well you said it best, kudos!
February 8th, 2008 at 8:16 pmImpeach Cheney and Bush, Save the Constitution and Lets Get This Party Started!
McLame must be puking his guts…Hahhahhaa…the kiss of death….hahahaaa ahahaaaa ahahaah hahaa
February 8th, 2008 at 8:16 pmBush. McCain. Who cares. They’re lost.
And as for Hillary Clinton. You go girl. Get that money so you don’t have to keep tossing out $5 mil here and $5 there. Not that you can’t afford it since you and Bill have cashed in your government “service” for Dick Cheney level fortunes. If only you were as good in performing service for our country as you are for yourself. You completely messed up healthcare reform in the early nineties so that our healthcare system is still in shambles in terms of cost, coverage and quality. You voted wrong wrong wrong on Iraq - the most important vote by far of your relatively brief career in the Senate. And recently you got duped again into voting for Bush’s warmongering resolution against Iran.
I’ll vote for the candidate who was right when it counted in coming out against the Iraq war. I’ll vote for the candidate who spent most of his time out of law school working to help ordinary people rather than sitting on the board of Wal-Mart while doing nothing about their union bashing and discrimination against women. I’ll vote for the guy who is smart enough to be Editor and Chief of the most prestigious law review in the entire country. That’s my candidate. That’s Obama. Only he can inspire us with the hope we need to come together.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:20 pmtoldja…
February 8th, 2008 at 8:20 pmand i’m tellin’ you THIS again…
February 8th, 2008 at 8:23 pmit is not a sure thing for dems…
bushco will not give it up… it scares me what they will do…
but they will not give it up, easy, if at all…
duck soup - a fair weather friend?
February 8th, 2008 at 8:25 pmBush: McCain will best carry out my agenda
There you go, John. The kiss of death. Time to “suspend” your campaign and throw your support to Joe Lieberman. He’ll make a great Republican presidential candidate . . . the supreme sacrificial lamb.
GDumbya may not be on the ballot but November’s election will be about GDumbya. It will be a full-out rejection of his ideology and a punishment of anyone who dares defend or look to extend it.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:30 pmI’d love to help get this message out.
Like Bush? McCain is four more years of him.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:30 pmWell, McCain, who was going to have an uphill battle anyway, just got knocked down a few dozen pegs by Bush.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:32 pmThis is WONDERFUL. Dear old George has made himself into a necklace and put himself snugly around McCain’s neck. Keep em comin’ George! I’ve never rooted for Georgie so hard in my life.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:42 pmI think the true test of whether Bush has turned McCain into a “made” man or not is by knowing his pick for VP. I speculate that a hardcore, brownshirt, neocon will be put into that slot. You get this, and McCain is “made.” The VP will just be there as an insurance policy for the Bush crime family.
McCain is 71 and might only get one term. You might recall that he has had skin cancer removed from his face. Also, once you have had the Bush kiss of acceptance, and you go off the reservation, you might get to take a dirt nap like Kenneth Lay (and others).
McCain has, in the past at least, been very independent. Not so much these days. Either McCain totally sells his soul to the reigning king of the skull and bones, or he gets out. I think he has already done his deal. He has totally sold out.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:46 pmThe NEOCON agenda is on going and that was my question a long time ago , who is going to be tapped to further the PNAC destructive agenda , P-Mac .
Keep in mind this HUGE , massive military build up in Iraq , Africa ( aFricom) and Asia , will not stop over night , if AT ALL .
Will Hillary say , we have too many military bases over seas , that is infuriating the majority of indigenous people in Iraq or Africa or even South America , U.S. military has increased it’s presents in Paraguay , so who of all the Candidates besides Ron Paul , realizes the downfall of the U.S. Imperialism .
And keep this in mind , the people who REALLY control this country always have money on BOTH horse , because they don’t intend to lose .
February 8th, 2008 at 8:47 pmMcCain’s just picking up ALL the plumb endorsements today, huh? First Bolt-on and now Dumbya. Awesome. Just awesome.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:48 pmDinkledorf is insouciantly unaware of the present, i.e., the god awful mess he’s made of the US and the world. Now he’s supposed to be able to predict the future? Give me a break.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:49 pmHey, thanks for the warning.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:51 pmIsn’t Bush channeling a bit of Vladimir Putin here?
February 8th, 2008 at 8:57 pmThe military-industrial complex would love Clinton to win. I don’t think she has the commitment to get us out of Iraq. If she wins in 2008, I predict a ONE TERM presidency.
February 8th, 2008 at 9:02 pmMaybe we can start impeachment hearings for McCain even though he doesn’t have a chance in the general elections - other than rigging electronic voting machines.
February 8th, 2008 at 9:16 pmIt’s ironic that Bush beat McCain in 2000 and even though he can’t run again, Bush will again defeat McCain 2008.
February 8th, 2008 at 9:18 pmWhat agenda? Stay the course? Debt? Inflation?
February 8th, 2008 at 9:21 pmWell camper’s how are you all going to vote.? Who’s your choice for fixing the war mess, econemy, health care and all the ill’s of our country….While thinking of your answer keep in mind neither plan to hold this administration accountable for their crime’s…Both have stated we must move forward when asked that question…Next both are tied to many of the same contributor’s..Both plan to get the troop’s out in x amount of time, both have a health care plan….In my opinion there isn’t a dime’s worth of diffrence….My pick, Kucinich is not running now…..If it look’s like Mccrazy is going to win just who should I vote for when I don’t want either.?…Well?……..Blessings
February 8th, 2008 at 9:25 pmThirty percent and declining–quite a recommendation!
February 8th, 2008 at 9:29 pmGreat. Just what America needs. An agenda that includes spying w/o warrants, manipulating intelligence, no-bid contracts, endorsement of torture…etc. etc.
February 8th, 2008 at 9:32 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7LYm18bKYc
Vote McNovacaine to finish the Bush agenda.
-GSD
February 8th, 2008 at 9:33 pmI’ll be sure to remember this endorsement if I somehow decide we’d be better off continuing our descent to third-world nation status. “Euro’s accepted here!”
February 8th, 2008 at 9:33 pmComment by Roadkill — February 8, 2008 @ 9:02 pm
The military-industrial complex would love Clinton to win. I don’t think she has the commitment to get us out of Iraq.
From Bush’s SOTU speech:
When Bush proclaimed, “Ladies and gentlemen, some may deny the surge is working, but among terrorists there is no doubt,†Clinton sprang to her feet in applause but Obama remained firmly seated. The president’s line divided most of the Democratic audience, with nearly half standing to applaud and the other half sitting in stony silence.
This tells me all I need to know about Billary!
February 8th, 2008 at 9:49 pmI never knew McCain was into clearing brush. I’m not so sure he’s fit for that type of work.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:00 pmMerlin, I watched the speech and I don’t remember seeing that..I did see the Dem’s as a block sitting while the Reps stood often..Do you have a link for the clip.. Id’e like to see it…Also as I said in my post I don’t see a dime’s worth of diffrence in either Obama or Clinton…As far as the war thing goe’s, read one of Obama’s contributor’s is a military contrator…They were listed in one of his bundled donator’s…Don’t have the link…..Today Clinton said she will start bringing troop’s home in 60 day’s after the election, Obama say’s 8 to 16 month’s not a lot of diffrence in the end both will say anything to get elected…..
February 8th, 2008 at 10:03 pmWeeeellll, given the current state of the GOP that is not much of endorsement. It is nice to know that Bush wishes someone to carry on his agenda of stupidity and incompetence though.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:04 pmThis tells me all I need to know about Billary!
Comment by Merlin — February 8, 2008 @ 9:49 pm
Ugh. No kidding.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:04 pmIf by agenda you mean BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN……
February 8th, 2008 at 10:06 pmMcBush is not the brush clearer, he is the brush clearer’s cleaner.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:08 pmMaybe Bush said that because he knows it will hurt McCain.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:11 pmBS all BS
February 8th, 2008 at 10:13 pmHay Merlin, ya still out there.?
February 8th, 2008 at 10:15 pmGovernment grew 35% under Bush.
Stay the course McCain!!!
February 8th, 2008 at 10:16 pmComment by Witch1 — February 8, 2008 @ 10:03 pm
That came from this:
By Alexander Bolton
Posted: 01/29/08 12:40 AM [ET]
The Hill
Regarding:
As far as the war thing goe’s, read one of Obama’s contributor’s is a military contrator
On another thread today Jason Brown linked to his blog and an article he wrote:
The puppet masters:
Who’s pulling the strings behind the Presidential contenders?
By Jason Brown • Jan 30th, 2008 • Category: America, Election 08
Check it out! It lists the advisors to the candidates! Dem and rethug. And a brief bio of their doings. Sadly fascinating.
Will look up the link after posting this.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:22 pmMc Bush policies:
February 8th, 2008 at 10:23 pmhttp://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/02/07/6918/
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/ConnectingTheDots.htm
http://www.infragard.net
Ya vol’ Mein Dumpkomf
http://www.infragard.net
Ya vol’ Mein Dumpkomf
http://www.infragard.net
February 8th, 2008 at 10:26 pmYa vol’ Mein Dumpkomf
Witch Here is the URL for his article “The Puppet Masters”
http://cerebralblackhole.com/ politics/ america/ the-puppet-masters-who’s-pulling-the-strings-behind-the-presidential-contenders
Or you can go to the thread:
Poll: ‘to fix economy, get out of Iraq.’
Comment #32
and click on the link he provides
February 8th, 2008 at 10:30 pmThank’s Merlin, will check it all out…Blessings
February 8th, 2008 at 10:32 pmHey Merlin are you NUCKING FUTZ?
If you feel that this statement is appropriate against Madeleine Albright
“the main force behind the 13 years of sanctions against Iraq that killed more than a million civilians including 500,000 children, mainly do to malnutrition, lack of medical supplies, and diseases from lack of clean water.”
Then how does that same sentiment fare for Dumya who has done the same to over 1 million people DIRECTLY?
You are a Bush-a-tic.
ARREST, TRY AND HANG HIM.
THAT is the the ONLY remedy to this debacle he has now firmly placed you.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:38 pmWell Merlin it look’s like I was correct in my thinking..After reading the stat’s you posted they are all pretty much the same, not a dime’s worth of diffrence as far as I can see in any of them…Blessings
February 8th, 2008 at 10:41 pmKiss o’ Death.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:55 pmmerlin, i’d like to see more than one guy’s opinion piece about
February 8th, 2008 at 10:56 pmhillary’s “spring[ing] to her feet”…
i can’t seem to find the facts…
Hay Katy and Rucerious, How ya doing.?….Caca tomorrow are you going.?…..Blessings
February 8th, 2008 at 11:00 pmThe Death Knell hath rung.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:12 pmThis is the tell all of Hillary cackling at Gravel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npzN3dZR6JM
February 9th, 2008 at 12:02 amComment by 99Luf Balloons — February 8, 2008 @ 10:38 pm
Hey Merlin are you NUCKING FUTZ?
If you feel that this statement is appropriate against Madeleine Albright
“the main force behind the 13 years of sanctions against Iraq that killed more than a million civilians including 500,000 children, mainly do to malnutrition, lack of medical supplies, and diseases from lack of clean water.â€
Then how does that same sentiment fare for Dumya who has done the same to over 1 million people DIRECTLY?
You are a Bush-a-tic.
ARREST, TRY AND HANG HIM.
THAT is the the ONLY remedy to this debacle he has now firmly placed you.
What the devil are you talking about? Are you accusing me of something? And what do you mean by a Bush-a-tic?
I really can’t be sure what your point is but I would appreciate an explanation for what this post appears to be. I await your clarification.
February 9th, 2008 at 12:13 amAnd I thought Bush hated McCain — he trashed him in 2000. McCain is probably seething over it on some level.
February 9th, 2008 at 12:26 amComment by AbsoluteCentrist — February 9, 2008 @ 12:26
And I thought Bush hated McCain — he trashed him in 2000. McCain is probably seething over it on some level.
I don’t think there was any hate at all. This was just typical Rovian politics used to destroy McBush’s chance of beating Bush in the primary. But, yes, even though McBush knows it was “only politics,” I believe he is silently seething and not at all happy at Bush’s implied endorsement.
February 9th, 2008 at 12:42 amGuessing that will make more than a few general election ads. Bush: If you like me you will LOVE John McCain.
February 9th, 2008 at 1:00 amComment by Sabyen91 — February 9, 2008 @ 1:00 am
This Nov. election will be one polarized election! Already there are fewer and fewer people that are undecided. The issues are way too emotional for people to be “swayed.” Katrina, Iraq, race or gender, the whole panoply of religious right issues like abortion and prayer in schools etc., immigration and more. All are deeply emotional issues that are not really open to discussion and persuasion.
Bush, implying endorsement of McBush, dumps all the emotional baggage BushCo has been carrying onto McBush. Not a happy place for Jonnie to find himself! The “straight talk express” now representing “the swiftboat express.”
February 9th, 2008 at 1:32 amWitch1 ~ am caucusing for Obama tomorrow at 1PM..
February 9th, 2008 at 2:38 amThe more Bush endorsment of MacCocaine the better! Hope hope people really associate MacCocaine’s image with Bush’s legacy!
February 9th, 2008 at 5:23 amhttp://ccoaler.blogspot.com/ 2008/ 02/ msnbcs-chelsea-comment-angers-clinton.html
MSNBC’s Schusters comments on Chelsea anger Clinton
http://www.americablog.com/ 2008/ 02/ why-is-chelsea-clinton-so-ugly-because.html
February 9th, 2008 at 5:57 amMcBush as GOP nominee is a slam dunk - with a snake oil salesman and a brainwashed jesus freak as opponents, a chimp could get the nomination. oops. we already have that.
I didn’t know that McBush was a butcher in his past life. Butcher of Baghdad, Part 2.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:24 am#65 The association is being made clear to the people the more Bush backs McBush. By the time the election rolls around, McBush’s campaign will be tanked - again. 76% of americans are anti-war at this point and that’s all that McBush is running on. That’s also why on the dem side Hillary will not win ultimately - her war votes - both the one she claims to have duped into and the one on Iran where she hedged her bets with the drumbeat accelerating at an amazing pace. That amazing pace was thwarted by the NIE report and Hillary stood on the wrong side of the field. There’s no way the war mantle can be lifted from Hillary’s image.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:27 amThis is the best thing that could happen to McCain and I hope it is picked up and reported on by the MSM. Seems that an endorsement like this from Bush would be the KISS OF DEATH for any candidate.
February 9th, 2008 at 9:02 amOur long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over!
February 9th, 2008 at 9:18 amAlbatross, meet neck.
February 9th, 2008 at 9:19 amBush: McCain will best carry out my agenda.
Wow! Is there any better statement that the Democrats can use during the run-up to the election that will encourage people to NOT vot for Sen. McCAin!?!?
This is proof positive that Sen. McCain represents a continuation of the failure that is Republican Agenda!
February 9th, 2008 at 9:19 am“The President behind the scenes has told people for months that he thought McCain would be the nominee. Even during some of those dark periods he still thought he could win. And also that McCain would be the best to carry forth his agenda.â€
People with an IQ in the three-digit range don’t want that agenda carried forth. We want it ended today.
February 9th, 2008 at 9:27 amAnd as for Hillary Clinton. You go girl. Get that money so you don’t have to keep tossing out $5 mil here and $5 there. Not that you can’t afford it since you and Bill have cashed in your government “service†for Dick Cheney level fortunes.
I’ll vote for the candidate who was right when it counted in coming out against the Iraq war.
Comment by Duck Soup
Wow, your hatred for Clinton is really showing. And to compare the Clinton’s wealth to Dick Chaney’s wealth is laughable. Also, there is nothing wrong with Bill Clinton making money now that he is an ex President.
You say you are voting for Obama, good for you, I’m voting for him too in the primaries. But what are you going to do if Clinton is the nominee? Are you going to allow your hatred for Hillary to give the Republicans 4 more years? I’m not. I’m not a Hillary fan, but I will vote for her. She’s 10 times better than McCain.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:15 amKind of like “four more years.”
February 9th, 2008 at 10:23 amBush’s getting his mojo back in front of a crowd of 28%ers
Be scared.
This tells me all I need to know about Billary!
Comment by Merlin
If you truly are a progressive, it will serve you well to stop playing into the right wing noise machine by using their terminology about Clinton.
What are you going to do if Clinton is the nominee? Are you going to vote for McCain? Or how about Nader. The truth is that Clinton is not perfect, she’s 10 times better than anything else out there that we have to choose from.
So, how about we stop helping the right by playing into their hands. There’s too much at stake here.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:23 amThis tells me all I need to know about Billary!
Comment by Merlin — February 8, 2008 @ 9:49 pm
Ugh. No kidding.
Comment by Zooey
So Zooey, what are you going to do if Hillary is the candidate.
Are we going to start eating our own the way the Republicans are doing with McCain. That is not going to get us anywhere we want to go.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:30 amduck soup on hillary:
You completely messed up healthcare reform in the early nineties so that our healthcare system is still in shambles in terms of cost, coverage and quality.
Comment by Duck Soup
here it is…….this post exemplifies why the republicans win. This woman, whether you like her or not went to the mat for you on healthcare and when she got opposition from the republicans what did you fine progressives do? You turned your back on her and then joined in the revelry of her demise. you deserve to be where you are.
You did the same thing to Jimmy Carter and you did the same thing to Al Gore. Now explain to me again why you have no leaders……
February 9th, 2008 at 10:42 amSo Zooey, what are you going to do if Hillary is the candidate.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 9, 2008 @ 10:30 am
I don’t know what Zooey is doing, but I am voting Prohibition Party They don’t have a chance if hell of winning, and it could cause McBush to win, but I don’t really know what else to do.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:44 amFred, I have to disagree with you on saying we progressives dissed Al Gore, Carter I can agree with, Hillary well she is seems more republican than some of the republican candidates, and Carter is a really nice guy, but didn’t do so well as President. But Al, well we miss Al and wish he would run for president. He would get my vote.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:46 amthanks krazny…….glad to see you admit that you are a republican
February 9th, 2008 at 10:46 amkrazny, I didn’t ask you to approve….I am stating a fact. You can live in whatever delusion you wish.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:47 amI am not living in a delusional world. Nor am I admitting to anything. I am stating my opinion, just as you stated your opinion. That is the whole purpose of this forum.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:48 amthen how can you say we didn’t fail Al Gore?
February 9th, 2008 at 10:50 amAnd I am so tired of hearing how much of a republican Hillary is………she tried to get socialized healthcare for you……does that sound like a republican to you? honestly……
February 9th, 2008 at 10:52 amHow do you feel progressives failed Al Gore? I am earnestly curious. IMO I think Al Gore is very popular among progressives, and would be a voted into office a quick poll of my household found that 100% of voting age adults (all two of us) would vote for him in a heartbeat.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:54 amIt may be too late for us. bush may declare martial law before the elections….I believe that there is a strong possibliity that he will. But if that does not happen then the republicans will divide and conquer us again because you guys will vote for a 3rd party candidate just because you hate hillary…….
yeah, right, that won’t be the reason……..just like Bill Clinton didn’t beat bush sr. because perot was a spoiler for the repubs………I don’t get it. Don’t you guys know what has happened in the past, seriously? Nader beat al gore for you…..you guys who voted for nader voted for gw bush.
It is not really speculation.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:56 amFred,
The concern that most progressives have, is that Hillary will continue the war in Iraq. Not end it and bring out troops home. You are correct that pushing for universal healthcare is not something republicans will do. But many of her other actions are unsettling.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:57 amI am so tired of hearing how much like bush that hillary is:
with the clintons I will never have to worry about unitary presidential powers
with the clintons I would never have to worry about our nation invading and occupying a country that never even threatened us.
with the clintons I would never have to worrry about whether we torture or not……..
ect., ect. ect.
You know these things are true if you will just be honest with yourself for a moment.
clintons are not everything to everyone that is progessive, they are not even my first choice, but I am sick of the lies and bullshit….grow up and get real……..vote the republicans out and then we can fix the bullshit….otherwise I must assume that you really like the way things are now and want more of the same.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:01 ami’ll try this again:
merlin, i’d like to see more than one guy’s opinion piece about
hillary’s “spring[ing] to her feetâ€â€¦
i can’t seem to find the facts…
Comment by katy — February 8, 2008 @ 10:56 pm
the info the “just asking” linked to at huffpo did nothing for me…
surely there is video of this incident…
and, witch, my internets went down last night…
February 9th, 2008 at 11:04 amdidn’t mean to slight you in any way… hay there!
We all failed Al Gore. you should have joined us at the Wasington Mall……there should have been 500,000 people there demanding justice. We can’t just turn our backs and hide our faces and then act like Al Gore failed us……..same with hillary….
I’m going to stretch a little because it’s not about policy but even Bill Clinton was abandoned by the American progressives……why was that sham of a kangaroo court allowed to happen……where was your outrage?
February 9th, 2008 at 11:05 amFred,
I don’t like things the way they are. I don’t know if you have been paying attention, but candidates like Barack Obama, have already stated they will remove US troops from Iraq. I am saying I would much prefer Obama, or sadly Edwards to Hillary. Truth be told if Hillary is the candidate I will most likely hold my nose and vote for her. I won’t vote for McCain or Huckabee. She would be a better choice then those two clowns. However Hillary has already stated she will not remove troops from Iraq. She won’t attack Iran like Bush wants to and that is a blessing.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:05 amHowever Hillary has already stated she will not remove troops from Iraq. She won’t attack Iran like Bush wants to and that is a blessing.
Comment by Krazny
you have no idea what she will do? Look at Bill Clintons 8 years……
that is how bad it will be………and it wasn’t perfect…….jobs were outsourced, nafta which was bush I’s project was signed by Bill, albeit after he changed a few things…..
but he did not invade soverign nations….
Hillary will deal with Iraq with our legislature…..unlike bush….how can you compare it? Seriously.
he did not torure, etc….
this is not really a discussion that we should be having. I’m sorry it just seems so evident to me that anyone who can’t see these things clearly is obviously wanting to lean right……..are you democrats or not…….better question…..are you republican or not?
February 9th, 2008 at 11:10 amwhy was that sham of a kangaroo court allowed to happen……where was your outrage?
Comment by Fred — February 9, 2008 @ 11:05 am
My outrage was in Washington State along with the rest of the people here. However no matter what spin you put on it. Bill Clinton damaged Al Gore’s chances for election. I don’t think that the republican investigation should have ever gone forward, but I don’t think Bill should have been cheating on his wife either.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:10 amare you democrats or not…….better question…..are you republican or not?
Comment by Fred — February 9, 2008 @ 11:10 am
Fred, I think of myself as a person first. While I identify with the democratic party. It is because I align with them on issues. I think it is a mistake to pledge blind allegiance to anyone.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:12 amHowever no matter what spin you put on it. Bill Clinton damaged Al Gore’s chances for election. I don’t think that the republican investigation should have ever gone forward, but I don’t think Bill should have been cheating on his wife either.
Comment by Krazny
buy you are morally ok with torture. Oh and Bill didn’t do that ……..the republicans did…….please tell me why it was ever brought up?
February 9th, 2008 at 11:15 am“I’m going to stretch a little because it’s not about policy but even Bill Clinton was abandoned by the American progressives……why was that sham of a kangaroo court allowed to happen……where was your outrage?”
Comment by Fred
It might have something to do with Clinton’s triangulation. He’s always kept progressives at arm’s reach; he rarely brought clearly progressive people into his administration, prefering to appoint those who conservatives found least objectionable. By the time of impeachment, progs had learned the sad fact about Clinton: he was never one of them, regardless of the rhetoric.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:15 amNo one will be carrying out Bush’s agenda. Bush’s agenda has failed. America knows it.
The more people get to know Obama, the more they like him. The polls continue to reflect that America wants a real change, and a leader who can inspire us and bring us together to do it. Identity politics is proving not to be as powerful as the desire of Americans to move forward. White, black, women, men want to come together.
http://www.dailykos.com/ storyonly/ 2008/ 2/ 9/ 0719/ 10743/ 479/ 453121
February 9th, 2008 at 11:17 amBy the time of impeachment, progs had learned the sad fact about Clinton: he was never one of them, regardless of the rhetoric.
Comment by barfly
that could be because there were no true progs around then……you say that but you didn’t know about them when hill brought up health care…..still you shunned her at the time…….I think you just hate the clintons.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:18 amjust last week, or so, duck soup was spamming us with hillary! links…
what happened, duck?
February 9th, 2008 at 11:19 amComment by Fred — February 9, 2008 @ 11:15 am
Fred,
you brought up Clinton’s trial, and the investigation surrounding him. See comment #91. You said that progressives failed Gore by not marching on DC and failed Clinton by allowing the kangaroo court to go forward. I was pointing out, that Clinton’s tryst harmed Gore’s reputation.
As for being all right with torture the short answer is no I am not. The long answer is where did that come from? I don’t recall ever endorsing torture. An am unsure why you think I would.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:22 amClinton was never one of us…….who are you?
I would have loved the health care that hillary pushed for
I loved it when bill taxed the corps and resolved budget issues……pretty progressive for me……
trianulation? buzzword for doing a few shady things to get elected because he didn’t have the total support of the progressives of the era because they were asleeep or looking for someone to blame for their problems.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:22 amthat could be because there were no true progs around then……you say that but you didn’t know about them when hill brought up health care…..still you shunned her at the time…….I think you just hate the clintons.
Comment by Fred
Excuse me Fred, but you got your head up your ass. Progressives have been around since before the turn of the 20th century, it was just the Bill was not interested in looking for any.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:24 am“still you shunned her at the time…….I think you just hate the clintons.”
Comment by Fred —
Whoa, Fred!
I might hate them, but I’ll still vote for her over McCain. I didn’t “shun” her, and actually made the case that we needed universal coverage to my friends, at the time. If I have a bad taste in my mouth over their past acts, I’m not so unamerican that I would endorse a republican, so reel your spleen back in. But I see you say nothing of the triangulation, which suggests you’re wearing your rose tinted Clinton goggles today.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:25 amI was pointing out, that Clinton’s tryst harmed Gore’s reputation.
Comment by Krazny
Only because you allowed it to. Only because you did not join in a chorus of outrage that would have stopped people from probing someones personal sex life……something that is really no one’s business.
You see the rest of the world was as confused as I was that this was even worth bringing up let alone that it could be considered serious……It’s called a wedge issue used by the right against the poor dumb religious fanatic hypocrites of the good old USA…..that’s it….
February 9th, 2008 at 11:27 ambarfly, you do nothing but bash the clintons……anyone who reads these forums think that you believe that hillary is the devil incarnate and that there is nothing good to be said about her, period…..well until your last post where you finally admit that she would be better than bush.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:30 am“Only because you allowed it to. Only because you did not join in a chorus of outrage that would have stopped people from probing someones personal sex life……something that is really no one’s business.”
And where were you, Fred? What did you do? Or what can you PROVE that you did, i should say.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:31 amSo Zooey, what are you going to do if Hillary is the candidate.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 9, 2008 @ 10:30 am
I don’t know what Zooey is doing, but I am voting Prohibition Party They don’t have a chance if hell of winning, and it could cause McBush to win, but I don’t really know what else to do.
Comment by Krazny
What ever happened to just flipping the little window up on the voting machine AND WRITING IN WHO YOU WANT. We are not LOCKED into the two major party candidates. If Hillary is the candidate, I am writing in “Albert Arnold Gore”
It IS called democracy, no?
February 9th, 2008 at 11:31 amfred, really, you are acting like a concern troll - and you are good at it…
if you’re not a conern troll, i appologize…
but quit with the judging and harping…
jeesh.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:33 amBut I see you say nothing of the triangulation, which suggests you’re wearing your rose tinted Clinton goggles today.
Comment by barfly
I have said repeatedly that I am banking on Obama at the present time. I am just sick and tired of the Clinton bashing……it is pointless and mostly off target. It also hurts us…..
It is also totally irrelevant in an election year unless you are trying to get a republican elected…..that’s all I’m saying.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:33 am“well until your last post where you finally admit that she would be better than bush.”
Comment by Fred
Just the other day I said I’d hold my nose and vote for her, so back off.
If you wanna trade Clinton anecdotes I’ve got about a half-hour. How did you feel about Clinton forcing all those poor off the welfare roles?
Progressive?
February 9th, 2008 at 11:34 amFred,
February 9th, 2008 at 11:34 amChill
McBush is NOT going to be elected. He is not even “ELECTABLE” There is not enough closepins for the Neo-cons to vote for McBush
fred, really, you are acting like a concern troll - and you are good at it…
if you’re not a conern troll, i appologize…
but quit with the judging and harping…
jeesh.
Comment by katy
Ok katy,
I am now signing off for the last time…….this is the seond time you have said this exact thing to me…..goodbye and good luck.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:34 amFebruary 9th, 2008 at 11:36 am
Runs away flailing arms in the air…
February 9th, 2008 at 11:36 am“I have said repeatedly that I am banking on Obama at the present time. I am just sick and tired of the Clinton bashing……it is pointless and mostly off target. It also hurts us…..”
I believe Katy was the person I told that I’d vote for Clinton.
Post my supposed Clinton-bashing. I’m curious to see it.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:36 amAdios, Fred.
When you return, bring examples of my Clinton-bashing.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:38 amProhibition Party… Albert Arnold Gore… who/whatever…
any third-party “vote” is a subtraction from the actual candidate…
the democratic republic of the USofA cannot afford it…
OVERWHELMING DEMOCRATIC VOTER TURNOUT.
THEY CAN’T STEAL IT IF IT’S NOT CLOSE.
DON’T LET IT BE CLOSE.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:41 amOne last one: Clinton increased the use of Bh1b visas, making it easier for companies to bring in cheap labor, and undercut working americans’ wages.
Not too progressive.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:41 amI am now signing off for the last time…….this is the seond time you have said this exact thing to me…..goodbye and good luck.
Comment by Fred — February 9, 2008 @ 11:34 am
such a child-like response… be that way… whatever…
until the next time, under a new moniker…
February 9th, 2008 at 11:43 amI am now signing off for the last time…….this is the seond time you have said this exact thing to me…..goodbye and good luck.
Comment by Fred — February 9, 2008 @ 11:34 am
The problem is not other posters, its you Fred.
If you cannot discuss issues and candidates without trying put words in their mouths, then cry and whine when people tell you you are out of line, then maybe you should post somewhere else that does not get your blood pressure elevated to unhealthy levels
February 9th, 2008 at 11:44 amI am now signing off for the last time…….this is the seond time you have said this exact thing to me…..goodbye and good luck.
Comment by Fred — February 9, 2008 @ 11:34 am
The problem is not other posters, its you Fred.
If you cannot discuss issues and candidates without trying put words in their mouths, then cry and whine when people tell you you are out of line, then maybe you should post somewhere else that does not get your blood pressure elevated to unhealthy levels
Katy is correct, you are sounding like a “concern” troll.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:45 amsorry about the double post, not sure what happened there LOL
February 9th, 2008 at 11:45 amIf you wanna trade Clinton anecdotes I’ve got about a half-hour. How did you feel about Clinton forcing all those poor off the welfare roles?
Progressive?
Comment by barfly — February 9, 2008 @ 11:34 am
Clinton has always been right of center and a bit of a corporate whore. Was he better than, Bush? you bet. Did he actually help the plight of the poor and the middle class? Not really.
NAFTA, DMCA, cutting welfare, etc,etc. Clinton was and still is a corporate whore and barely
now Fred can attack me for speaking my mind too.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:54 amcorrection: NAFTA, DMCA, cutting welfare, etc,etc. Clinton was and still is a corporate whore and barely a democrat. He was called a “liberal”only because his policies were to the left of Reagan, Bush and Hitler.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:57 am“now Fred can attack me for speaking my mind too.”
Clinton-basher! Clinton-basher!
I wonder what song Hillary will play at the inaugural?
Remember “Don’t Stop Thinking About Tomorrow?”
How about “Which Way is Up?”
February 9th, 2008 at 11:59 amOr better still, “Fat Man in the Bathtub” - as Hillary will be giving Bill very little attention after she takes office.
February 9th, 2008 at 12:02 pmWhat are you going to do if Clinton is the nominee? Are you going to vote for McCain? Or how about Nader. The truth is that Clinton is not perfect, she’s 10 times better than anything else out there that we have to choose from.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 9, 2008 @ 10:23 am
As far as Fatherland Security, War, and immigration Hillary and McCain are disturbingly close. The difference will be social issues.
If we want perpetual war to continue via AIPAC and Lockheed, then these two are the candidates. If we want more progressive social votes, then Hillary is the vote.
Under no circumstances believe for one minute that Hillary is a “Peace” candidate, and she will buck her Masters.
She still is a punk for cackling at Mike Gravel when he spoke truth to power to her face. Remember Gravel was one of two senators to vote against the Gulf of Tonkin resolution in 1964. He knows when he smells a Dog of War.
So, will I “Throw away my vote” in November and vote for a third party candidate, will I “vote with my conscience”, or will I vote for the Lesser of two War Mongers? I’ll let you know on November 8th or thereabouts.
February 9th, 2008 at 12:03 pmHow about “Which Way is Up?â€
Comment by barfly — February 9, 2008 @ 11:59 am
I was thinking “Spinning Wheel”
For McCain : “The Dogs Of War
February 9th, 2008 at 12:20 pmSo Zooey, what are you going to do if Hillary is the candidate.
Are we going to start eating our own the way the Republicans are doing with McCain. That is not going to get us anywhere we want to go.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 9, 2008 @ 10:30 am
We have not come to that bridge yet.
February 9th, 2008 at 12:21 pmWhat’s up with Fred?
February 9th, 2008 at 12:26 pmWe have not come to that bridge yet.
Comment by Zooey — February 9, 2008 @ 12:21 pm
Morning Zooey =)
Lets hope all the bridges are not already burned by November.
Did you read my link to the Progressive on the next story?
February 9th, 2008 at 12:27 pmFreaky stuff.
What’s up with Fred?
Comment by Zooey — February 9, 2008 @ 12:26 pm
Whats usually up with Fred? =D
February 9th, 2008 at 12:29 pmWhich thread is that, Wayne?
I thought Fred was a cool guy, did something go wrong?
February 9th, 2008 at 12:31 pmnothing went wrong… it just didn’t go fred’s way…
February 9th, 2008 at 12:32 pmI guess I missed something. I haven’t been around much for a few days.
February 9th, 2008 at 12:34 pmWhich thread is that, Wayne?
Comment by Zooey — February 9, 2008 @ 12:31 pm
This morning’s first thread on Waitte
February 9th, 2008 at 12:36 pmBut here is the link
http://www.progressive.org/mag_rothschild0308
Wayne:
Infragard
:-)
February 9th, 2008 at 12:40 pmI guess I missed something. I haven’t been around much for a few days.
Comment by Zooey — February 9, 2008 @ 12:34 pm
Fred was on his “don’t dispute the sacred words of Clinton” thing again.
If he ever read my posts from as far as 2 years ago on Hillary’s Senate antics, I think his head would explode. heh
February 9th, 2008 at 12:42 pmWayne:
Infragard
:-)
Comment by Zooey — February 9, 2008 @ 12:40 pm
OK, I should make the Zoo my first stop of the day then LOL
February 9th, 2008 at 12:45 pmYou guys are staying on top of things =)
Kudos.
Wayne, I don’t get the Hillary-love thing. She’s always made me uncomfortable. :P
We are missing the wit and wisdom of the Guitar Man at TheZoo. :)
February 9th, 2008 at 12:51 pmIt would be even better if McCain takes Bush seriously, and officially announces to the media and the public that he will adopt Bush policy.
That way either Clinton or Obama will win in a landslide!
Please! “The Bush position?!” Folks have had enough of “the Bush position” for the past eight years!
February 9th, 2008 at 12:56 pmTime’s Mark Halperin said, “The President behind the scenes has told people for months that …..
This has Trial Baloon written all over it. I’m pretty sure that the folks backing Bush were for Romney. Romney backers are shocked that REPUBLICAN VOTERS weren’t buying what he was selling.
February 9th, 2008 at 1:37 pmThey don’t trust McCain…but McCain NEEDS their enthusiastic support to have any chance in November.
Republicans are into eating their own right now. They are clueless as to how UNPOPULAR President Bush is. CHANGE is a codeword for NOT BUSH.
The funny thing is, the story is not true. I have a few friends that work in the White House, and it was thought right up until this last week that Romney was going to be the nominee. This is just another “Bush is really a genious” behind closed doors stories.
February 9th, 2008 at 1:42 pmThe concern that most progressives have, is that Hillary will continue the war in Iraq. Not end it and bring out troops home. You are correct that pushing for universal healthcare is not something republicans will do. But many of her other actions are unsettling.
Comment by Krazny
I don’t care what your concern is. I will take her for her word and she has said that she will immediately start bringing our troops home the day she takes office. Hillary is not my favorite candidate, but I will vote for her. I refuse to take the chance of having another four years of Bush policies. Our country can’t survive another 4 years of this shit. It might not survive the next 9 months as it is.
I really can’t believe anyone can call themselves a progressive if they are willing to throw their vote away and work towards getting another Republican voted into the White House. Because that is exactly what you will be doing if you vote for a third party candidate.
February 9th, 2008 at 2:09 pmHowever Hillary has already stated she will not remove troops from Iraq. She won’t attack Iran like Bush wants to and that is a blessing.
Comment by Krazny
You are a liar. Please show me where Hillary has stated she will not remove troops from Iraq. This is from her website:
There is more there if you choose to educate yourself. I suspect that you won’t because your hatred for Hillary obviously gets in the way of intelligent thought.
February 9th, 2008 at 2:14 pmIf Hillary is the candidate, I am writing in “Albert Arnold Goreâ€
It IS called democracy, no?
Comment by 99Luf Balloons
And by doing that you will be voting for John McCain. Nice.
February 9th, 2008 at 2:19 pmSo Zooey, what are you going to do if Hillary is the candidate.
Are we going to start eating our own the way the Republicans are doing with McCain. That is not going to get us anywhere we want to go.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 9, 2008 @ 10:30 am
We have not come to that bridge yet.
Comment by Zooey
Wow, talk about a non-answer. That’s the kind of answers that trolls give us. I’m disappointed in you Zooey.
February 9th, 2008 at 2:21 pmI really can’t believe anyone can call themselves a progressive if they are willing to throw their vote away and work towards getting another Republican voted into the White House. Because that is exactly what you will be doing if you vote for a third party candidate.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 9, 2008 @ 2:09 pm
And sometimes neither party has our best interests at heart.
I personally will vote for the Democrats this November, but how they act will determine if I ever vote for a Democrat again. I already won’t vote Republican, so 3rd party or independent will end up being my choice.
If you are not sorely disappointed with the Democratic leadership since 2006, then you are just as blindly partisan as the Republicans.
February 9th, 2008 at 2:22 pmWow, talk about a non-answer. That’s the kind of answers that trolls give us. I’m disappointed in you Zooey.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 9, 2008 @ 2:21 pm
Oh, so you are as blindly partisan as a Republican.
February 9th, 2008 at 2:25 pmRalph Nader did best in Alaska…10% of the votes in 2000. This makes sense because of the winner take all nature of the electoral college. Gore had no chance to win in Alaska.
In Florida, however, Nader’s votes cost Gore the election, and cost the Country more than we could have ever imagined.
Democrats are not monolithic. Many were elected from very conservative districts, and voted with Bush on many issues. A lot of them, by the way, were replaced by Republicans for their troubles.
February 9th, 2008 at 2:42 pmIn 2006, many of these conservative districts, suffering from Bush fatige, elected Democrats. The Democratic leadership has chosen to not have these Red district Democrats vote on many controversial issues that were likely to lose anyhow.
The Democratic leadership has dissappointed a great many Democrats, but it has avoided shooting itself in the foot.
If 2008 results in a landslide for the democrats, I think we will see a different strategy by the Democratic leadership.
If 2008 results in a landslide for the democrats, I think we will see a different strategy by the Democratic leadership.
Comment by Badger — February 9, 2008 @ 2:42 pm
If part of that strategy is a IranContraWatergate-ish strategy of letting the criminals off again, I will fight to bring down both parties. I will never support either of the major parties again. Enough is enough.
February 9th, 2008 at 2:49 pmWayne…I think that the democratic strategy is not letting the criminals off again. The extreme secrecy of the Bush Administration, and not having enough votes, is preventing the accountablity we both want.
February 9th, 2008 at 2:57 pmWhat can prevent the Republican’s actions to block accountability for Bush?? Besides voting the Republicans out in 2008?
What can prevent the Republican’s actions to block accountability for Bush?? Besides voting the Republicans out in 2008?
Comment by Badger — February 9, 2008 @ 2:57 pm
At this point its the only logical choice.
My cynicism is because not only because accountability has not been done, but they have continued to give Bush exactly what he wants.
Convince me. Give me one good reason impeachment is completely “off the table”. A good DA will not let a murderer off without trial because he has doubts a jury will acquit before ever presenting evidence.
Convince me this is in the interest of the Country and Constitution so I can support the current DNC/DLC leaders.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:08 pmAND helping DENNIS KUCINICH keep his congressional seat…
we will need to help him to finish what he started!
http://www.kucinich.us/
February 9th, 2008 at 3:08 pmdangit, wayne… you knocked me out of order there…
:-)
just popped in to catch up some reading…
it was good to see bilbo and badger here expressing so well
my own thoughts and feelings…
and my kucinich comment was a follow up to badger’s:
What can prevent the Republican’s actions to block accountability for Bush?? Besides voting the Republicans out in 2008?
dennis is fighting 5 corporate candidates in his ohio district…
February 9th, 2008 at 3:21 pmif he can keep his seat, you KNOW he’ll be there to help
clean up the mess… but he needs our help NOW…
Convince me this is in the interest of the Country and Constitution so I can support the current DNC/DLC leaders.
Comment by Wayne — February 9, 2008 @ 3:08 pm
I don’t think you need to support the DNC/DLC leaders…I just don’t want you to sit the election out, or vote for a 3rd party candidate in a CLOSE election.
Bush did NOT get exactly what he wanted. His domestic policy legacy is in tatters. Social Security Privitization, Immigration Reform, even FISA /domestic spying legislation were successfully blocked.
And remember that there is NO statute of Limitations for Murder.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:24 pmbut he needs our help NOW…
Comment by katy — February 9, 2008 @ 3:21 pm
I have donated to him and Dodd. And then after they dropped to defray costs. =)
Hopefully his district’s voters have sense enough to re-elect him.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:29 pmeven FISA /domestic spying legislation were successfully blocked.
Comment by Badger — February 9, 2008 @ 3:24 pm
Thanks to Chris Dodd butting heads with Harry Reid.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:39 pmChris Dodd is one courageous Senator…but he is also a Democrat.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:42 pmChris Dodd is one courageous Senator…but he is also a Democrat.
Comment by Badger — February 9, 2008 @ 3:42 pm
But the Senate Leader is Harry Reid, also a Democrat.
Notice may railing is against the leadership. =)
The Democratic Party Leadership needs a shakeup badly, IMHO.
If Democrats cannot speak out against the wrongs of their own party, how are things to change?
February 9th, 2008 at 3:50 pmmay=my, doh!
February 9th, 2008 at 3:51 pm“If you are not sorely disappointed with the Democratic leadership since 2006, then you are just as blindly partisan as the Republicans.”
Comment by Wayne — February 9, 2008 @ 2:22 pm
Amen to that Wayne. THe problem is that WE are not holding the Dems feet to the fire. As I suggested yesterday every time We get any email from them asking for donations or decrying the rebuplicans “use” of the filibuster, WE need to shoot back via email that THEY MUST stand up against them, force them to “actually” filibuster, and STOP CAVING in to this administration regardless of the lack of 60 votes! They must start doing the right thing even if it means that they will not always succeed. Just do it because it’s the right thing to do! Or we will not give them another dime.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:54 pm“The deliberate betrayal of its trust by the Republican party, the fatal incapacity of the Democratic party to deal with the new issues of the new time, have compelled the people to forge a new instrument of government through which to give effect to their will in laws and institutions.”
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAprogressive.htm
“To destroy this invisible Government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.” - 1912 Progressive Party Platform, attributed to Theodore Roosevelt and quoted again in his autobiography where he connects Trusts and monopolies (sugar interests, Standard Oil, etc.) to Woodrow Wilson and Howard Taft, and consequently both major political parties.
From Theodore Roosevelt: An Intimate Biography, Chapter XXII, pp. 25–31. (1919) — William Roscoe Thayer
Funny how things seem the same.
Maybe trying a real Progressive Party again and not giving up on it, maybe we can actually change things.
For now, lets get the Republicans out first. We already know they have the “Midas Touch of Sh!t” and we cannot afford 4 more years of it.
If the Democrats are as ineffective as they have been the last 8 years (not just the disappointing last 2), its time for a voter rebellion and forming a new party. It has not always been Republican vs Democrat though out our history. After that, kick them all out, Republican and Democrat. If the Parties cannot listen to the people, then they no longer deserve our votes or support.
There are very few Democrats that I still respect at this point, and no Republicans.
My message to the DNC Leadership, do the right thing, or imperil your own Party.
I have had enough, and I am fairly sure a healthy chunk of America has as well.
I will remember the last 8 years, for the corruption and the spinelessness of it all has been burned into my mind.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:46 pmWe are not all as stupid as you wish we were.
“McCain would be the best to carry forth his agenda”
That’s good enough for me. Now, I will vote for anyone BUT McCain.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:05 pmit’s great Bush said this… because no one wants more Bush in the next administration… they’ll have to vote for the other guy/gal…
February 9th, 2008 at 7:07 pmNow, if Hillary gets in, she will continue her masters bidding, and continue Bush’s foreign policies. Then, there will be no money for these social programs she will supposedly be advocating that are better than McCain.
America, if you are dumb enough to vote these Zionist Tools in, then we get what we deserve. Gravel, Kucinich, and Paul are sidelined, and we are left will various versions of Likud Party politics.
Here’s a guy who stopped the Draft, and voted against the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. Hillary Clinton is not even qualified to wash Mike Gravel’s feet.
I am voting third party if she runs against McCain, and anyone who says it is a throwaway vote, knows not their Ass From a Hole in The Ground when it comes to who is actually running our foreign policy. What a choice….McCain and Hillary!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvuzMWcz0kU
February 9th, 2008 at 8:48 pm