America, if you are dumb enough to vote these Zionist Tools in, then we get what we deserve. Gravel, Kucinich, and Paul are sidelined, and we are left will various versions of Likud Party politics.

Here’s a guy who stopped the Draft, and voted against the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. Hillary Clinton is not even qualified to wash Mike Gravel’s feet.

I am voting third party if she runs against McCain, and anyone who says it is a throwaway vote, knows not their Ass From a Hole in The Ground when it comes to who is actually running our foreign policy. What a choice….McCain and Hillary!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvuzMWcz0kU

That’s good enough for me. Now, I will vote for anyone BUT McCain.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAprogressive.htm

“To destroy this invisible Government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.” – 1912 Progressive Party Platform, attributed to Theodore Roosevelt and quoted again in his autobiography where he connects Trusts and monopolies (sugar interests, Standard Oil, etc.) to Woodrow Wilson and Howard Taft, and consequently both major political parties.

From Theodore Roosevelt: An Intimate Biography, Chapter XXII, pp. 25–31. (1919) — William Roscoe Thayer

Funny how things seem the same.

Maybe trying a real Progressive Party again and not giving up on it, maybe we can actually change things.

For now, lets get the Republicans out first. We already know they have the “Midas Touch of Sh!t” and we cannot afford 4 more years of it.

If the Democrats are as ineffective as they have been the last 8 years (not just the disappointing last 2), its time for a voter rebellion and forming a new party. It has not always been Republican vs Democrat though out our history. After that, kick them all out, Republican and Democrat. If the Parties cannot listen to the people, then they no longer deserve our votes or support.

There are very few Democrats that I still respect at this point, and no Republicans.

My message to the DNC Leadership, do the right thing, or imperil your own Party.
I have had enough, and I am fairly sure a healthy chunk of America has as well.

I will remember the last 8 years, for the corruption and the spinelessness of it all has been burned into my mind.
We are not all as stupid as you wish we were.

Comment by Wayne — February 9, 2008 @ 2:22 pm

Amen to that Wayne. THe problem is that WE are not holding the Dems feet to the fire. As I suggested yesterday every time We get any email from them asking for donations or decrying the rebuplicans “use” of the filibuster, WE need to shoot back via email that THEY MUST stand up against them, force them to “actually” filibuster, and STOP CAVING in to this administration regardless of the lack of 60 votes! They must start doing the right thing even if it means that they will not always succeed. Just do it because it’s the right thing to do! Or we will not give them another dime.

Comment by Badger — February 9, 2008 @ 3:42 pm

But the Senate Leader is Harry Reid, also a Democrat.
Notice may railing is against the leadership. =)

The Democratic Party Leadership needs a shakeup badly, IMHO.

If Democrats cannot speak out against the wrongs of their own party, how are things to change?

Thanks to Chris Dodd butting heads with Harry Reid.

Comment by katy — February 9, 2008 @ 3:21 pm

I have donated to him and Dodd. And then after they dropped to defray costs. =)

Hopefully his district’s voters have sense enough to re-elect him.

Comment by Wayne — February 9, 2008 @ 3:08 pm

I don’t think you need to support the DNC/DLC leaders…I just don’t want you to sit the election out, or vote for a 3rd party candidate in a CLOSE election.

Bush did NOT get exactly what he wanted. His domestic policy legacy is in tatters. Social Security Privitization, Immigration Reform, even FISA /domestic spying legislation were successfully blocked.

And remember that there is NO statute of Limitations for Murder.

just popped in to catch up some reading…

it was good to see bilbo and badger here expressing so well
my own thoughts and feelings…

and my kucinich comment was a follow up to badger’s:
What can prevent the Republican’s actions to block accountability for Bush?? Besides voting the Republicans out in 2008?

dennis is fighting 5 corporate candidates in his ohio district…
if he can keep his seat, you KNOW he’ll be there to help
clean up the mess… but he needs our help NOW…

http://www.kucinich.us/

Comment by Badger — February 9, 2008 @ 2:57 pm

At this point its the only logical choice.
My cynicism is because not only because accountability has not been done, but they have continued to give Bush exactly what he wants.

Convince me. Give me one good reason impeachment is completely “off the table”. A good DA will not let a murderer off without trial because he has doubts a jury will acquit before ever presenting evidence.

Convince me this is in the interest of the Country and Constitution so I can support the current DNC/DLC leaders.

Comment by Badger — February 9, 2008 @ 2:42 pm

If part of that strategy is a IranContraWatergate-ish strategy of letting the criminals off again, I will fight to bring down both parties. I will never support either of the major parties again. Enough is enough.

Democrats are not monolithic. Many were elected from very conservative districts, and voted with Bush on many issues. A lot of them, by the way, were replaced by Republicans for their troubles.
In 2006, many of these conservative districts, suffering from Bush fatige, elected Democrats. The Democratic leadership has chosen to not have these Red district Democrats vote on many controversial issues that were likely to lose anyhow.
The Democratic leadership has dissappointed a great many Democrats, but it has avoided shooting itself in the foot.
If 2008 results in a landslide for the democrats, I think we will see a different strategy by the Democratic leadership.

Comment by bilbobaggins — February 9, 2008 @ 2:21 pm

Oh, so you are as blindly partisan as a Republican.

Comment by bilbobaggins — February 9, 2008 @ 2:09 pm

And sometimes neither party has our best interests at heart.
I personally will vote for the Democrats this November, but how they act will determine if I ever vote for a Democrat again. I already won’t vote Republican, so 3rd party or independent will end up being my choice.

If you are not sorely disappointed with the Democratic leadership since 2006, then you are just as blindly partisan as the Republicans.

Wow, talk about a non-answer. That’s the kind of answers that trolls give us. I’m disappointed in you Zooey.