O’Reilly On Waterboarding: ‘The Far Left Is Putting Us All In Danger’
O’Reilly On Waterboarding: ‘The Far Left Is Putting Us All In Danger’
Earlier this week, the Bush administration admitted that it has waterboarded at least three al Qaeda detainees since 9/11. Yesterday, CIA Director Michael Hayden added that the tactic may currently be illegal.
On Fox News’ O’Reilly Factor yesterday, Bill O’Reilly gave a full-throated defense of the torture tactic, claiming that the “far left went wild” after the revelations. The left “literally went crazy,” he said. O’Reilly continued his pro-torture rant:
Why are they so insane about this? It’s not fatal. It doesn’t leave a lasting physical injury. Why are they so crazy? … I think the President has to have the authority…in extraordinary circumstances, as these three were. And the far left is putting us all in danger.
Watch it:
By O’Reilly’s logic, military officers and staunch conservatives are also “crazy.” Just yesterday, FBI Director Robert Mueller and Defense Intelligence Agency Director Michael Maples said the practice is unnecessary. Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), and members of the Pentagon’s JAG corps also agree. Intelligence experts say it is “ineffective” because the technique “often produces false information.”
Waterboarding, not progressives, puts America in danger. As Colin Powell noted in 2005 when President Bush wanted to loosely define torture, “The world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism. To redefine Common Article 3 would add to those doubts. Furthermore, it would put our own troops at risk.”
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Lets water board him then and we’ll see how he feels about it after that experience.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:39 pmAre there really people in this country dumb enough to fall for these scare tactics?
Stupid question, I know…
February 8th, 2008 at 3:39 pmAhhh, defending torture…
And I though Middle Ages were really gone.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:40 pmhysterical ninny.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:40 pmO”Liar, again, has his facts misconstrued: It’s the Repukes who have made america less safe and are tanking it economically. I’d say that’s pretty damn dangerous. Now let’s see how much O”Liar enjoys waterboarding himself, shall we?
February 8th, 2008 at 3:40 pmHill’reh gets David Shuster knocked off the air for speaking truth to power - Hill’reh was “pimping-out” her daughter, making her call superdelegates for support instead of doing the work herself.
http://www.iht.com/ articles/ ap/ 2008/ 02/ 08/ america/ NA-POL-US-MSNBC-Clinton.php
February 8th, 2008 at 3:40 pm#2 The Bush Crime Cabal’s incessant cry wolf campaign has americans not believing one iota which comes from the lips of this president. That goes for all of his reichwing mouthpieces as well. The fear mongering ain’t workin’.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:41 pmHill’reh blah blah blah
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 8, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
This has what to do with the right-wing pro-torture agenda?
February 8th, 2008 at 3:42 pmHow can anyone with even one shred of decency defend Gestapo methods? Unless they are Nazi scum themselves.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:43 pmThe enemy is laughing at us.
Comment by Southern Man
Thanks, but “we” aren’t in your demographic, so they’re just laughing at YOU.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:43 pmAmerica you really need to sort out your commercial TV stations
They are the root of all evil today
February 8th, 2008 at 3:44 pmWaterboarding can’t be any worse than seeing another screen grab of Bill OReilly. Please stop. Please. I’ll say anything you want!
February 8th, 2008 at 3:44 pmJason; you are being totally irrelevant-again.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:44 pmThe enemy is laughing at us.
Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 3:41 pm
February 8th, 2008 at 3:45 pmThey might be, doofus, SEVEN years having gone by and OBL
STILL FREE in Pakistan, al Qaeda stronger and more organized, with recruiting better than ever.
The enemy is laughing at us.
Comment by Southern Idiot — February 8, 2008 @ 3:41 pm
The entire planet is laughing at you far radical reich-wingers.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:45 pmdont you have a the right to see the truth on TV ???
Oh No I forgot 3 judges even ruled that news dosent have to be true
February 8th, 2008 at 3:45 pmI propose waterboarding Hendler until he understands what this thread is about.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:45 pmjmh and dixieboy - also hysterical ninnies. as yellow as spring daffodils, and even daffier.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:46 pm“It’s not fatal.”
It can be.
“It doesn’t leave a lasting phyiscal injury?”
So?
“Why are they so crazy?”
Because it is illegal and upholding the rule of law appears “crazy” to the right wing.
“I think the President has to have the authority…in extraordinary circumstances, as these three were.”
No, actually he doesn’t, but perhaps the harder you “think” he does, it might come true.
“And the far left is putting us all in danger.”
And the entire right is putting us all in danger by advocating the torture of human beings while allowing attacks like 9/11 to happen on their watch.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:46 pm3 Florida judges ruled that the News does not have to be truthful
February 8th, 2008 at 3:46 pmI propose waterboarding Hendler until he understands what this thread is about.
Comment by VerbalKint
Why give it the pleasure?
February 8th, 2008 at 3:46 pmI propose waterboarding Hendler until he understands what this thread is about.
Comment by VerbalKint — February 8, 2008 @ 3:45 pm
I second that.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:46 pmI want to know if Southern Filth considers himself a Christian. How about it, torture advocate? Do you consider yourself a Christian? Because if you do, let me be the first to tell you that you aren’t.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:47 pmI’d just love to have his Depends supply contract.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:49 pmThe enemy is laughing at us.
Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 3:41 pm
And with good reason.
They see that the “land of the free” and the “beacon of democracy” is no more than a hypocritical farce of its former self.
When the enemy calls us the Great Satan in order to rally people to fight us, they’re right. We have become the Great Satan - sanctioning torture, deploying a paramilitary force here and abroad, detaining people in gulags indefinitely, spying on our own people.
Our government has done more to destroy the United States of America than terrorists with boxcutters could ever do.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:49 pmWell great, falafel boy, since it is not fatal, and does not leave any physical damage, then it is allowed in a time of war, and we will not be outraged when it is done to our soldiers when captured.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:49 pmThanks Bill-o-brator for clearing that up!
ManHandler? Board ‘Em
He’ll cry like the girlie-boy he is, wet his pants & ask for his mommy.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:50 pmWhy are they so insane about this? It’s not fatal. It doesn’t leave a lasting phyiscal injury? Why are they so crazy? … I think the President has to have the authority…in extraordinary circumstances, as these three were. And the far left is putting us all in danger.
The point that Billo misses is that we are not talking about the people who were waterboarded, we were talking about the fact that we torture people in the first place. And that fact has put us in much more danger than anything progressives could ever do. We no longer have the support of the international community so if we suffer a major disaster, there will be few countries willing to come to our aid. Then there are the thousands of new “terrorists” we have created because of the fact that we torture people. And the most important point of all is that we have put all Americans abroad or in the military in danger because if they are captured for any reason, the people holding them will fill free to torture out citizens and we will not be able to complain if it happens. We have given up that moral authority.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:51 pmI want to know if Southern Filth considers himself a Christian. How about it, torture advocate? Do you consider yourself a Christian? Because if you do, let me be the first to tell you that you aren’t.
Comment by VerbalKint — February 8, 2008 @ 3:47 pm
Well, torture is pretty central to Christian scripture. And capital punishment, for that matter.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:51 pmRupert Murdoch is the root of all evil today
without his org ,,,,,,,, Bush and the rest cannot fill our heads with shite
February 8th, 2008 at 3:52 pmThe enemy is laughing at us.
Comment by Southern Mantaste — February 8, 2008 @ 3:41 pm
Ohhhh, on this we can agree. The enemy is laughing at us. One, because, as posted above, the enemy has never been captured.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:53 pmTwo, because as we admit to illegally torturing prisoners of Muslim descent, Al-Qaeda and other hell bent for jihad radical recruits are getting more numerous, and stronger.
Thanks Bushco.
Hendler Lamaar, as usual displaying his ADD disorder.
Jasonic, here’s a path to get you back to where you are supposed to put off topic crap like your post.
Blackwater tries putting a price tag on dead Iraqis. –>
February 8th, 2008 at 3:53 pmRove to speak at University of Iowa for $40K. –>
Cafferty: ‘Straight Talk Express wimped out.’ –>
Discovery Channel Drops Plans To Air ‘Taxi To The Dark Side’ Because It Is Too ‘Controversial’
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Blogger responds to O’Reilly, videos homeless Americans. –>
DeLay: I can’t run for President because I’m indicted. –>
Bush Declares That Cheney Is ‘The Best Vice President In History’ –>
Conservative activists spur ‘Think Condi’ campaign. –>
Cheney returns to the Armstrong Ranch. –>
ThinkFast: February 8, 2008
(yawn)
February 8th, 2008 at 3:54 pmdid billhilly just say something?
Comment by DRxJ — February 8, 2008 @ 3:54 pm
Maybe, but the moonshine is obviously fu(king up his ability to communicate with anything of higher order than a chymp.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:56 pmAnd why did we “go crazy”? Could it be because this is a nation that (prior to 9/11 at least) believed that we had to hold ourselves to a higher standard than others do? Could it be that we saw the horrible things done in the name of the Church, the King, etc. and decided that we wanted no part of it?
If torture really did work, meaning that it really did force people to tell the truth, then we might be having a different conversation. But the truth is that PEOPLE WILL SAY ANYTHING UNDER TORTURE IF THEY THINK THAT IT WILL MAKE THE TORTURER STOP. All that torturing these people accomplishes is that the Muslim world’s suspicious and hatred against us are validated by it.
A truly free nation does not torture! A true democracy does not torture! A humane, modern goverment does not torture!
Honestly, you’d think that these neocons really get a sexual thrill out of the idea of torture. Then again, we are talking about BillO.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:57 pmO”Liar supports his own reichwing jihadists then?
February 8th, 2008 at 3:58 pmComment by Billy Hill — February 8, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
They’re willing to die for their cause. I really don’t think that the “threat” of torture acts as a deterrent, in any way. What was your point, exactly?
February 8th, 2008 at 3:59 pmjpopphan: “get a thrill out of killing”? All true sociopaths do. Just ask Dr. Frank who penned W’s bio - he found great pleasure in torturing animals.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:59 pmthe 5th district in O’ Bomba Land
Oh, Ha, Ha, Ha, get it! O’Bomba, like a presidential candidate!! Har Har,, yukkity yup#*($&#*$& Ha.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:59 pmComment by Billy Hill — February 8, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
But, then again, you appear to know the mind of a terrorist much better than I do…
February 8th, 2008 at 4:00 pmAre some of you suggesting that instead of using waterboarding, or other techniques to gather crucial information about national security,
Comment by Southern Idiot — February 8, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
They don’t work…….fact. Save your fake outrage when you call Drugbaugh or Vannity on Monday.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:01 pm“Waterboarding, not progressives, puts America in danger.”
I disagree. It is Bill O’Reilly and those that think like him that puts America in danger. He’s helping us lose the ‘Global War On Terror”.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:01 pm“the enemy is….”
you’re paranoid Dixie - deeply paranoid. Like most righties.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:01 pmThe enemy is laughing at us.
Comment by Southern Idiot — February 8, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
Reich-wingers believe that is enough “reason” to invade a country.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:01 pm.
O’Liely doesn’t support the troops… he seeks to put them at risk of becoming war criminals.
O’Liely doesn’t support the rule of law… he supports the miscarriage of Justice.
O’Liely doesn’t support America… he suggests that being like the Japanese we executed and sentenced to prison for the exact same crime, waterboarding, is acceptable.
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February 8th, 2008 at 4:02 pm“Are some of you suggesting… “
Yes, we’re suggesting using techniques that work. And are sanctioned by international and US law.
Geebus.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:02 pmComment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
We are asking that we use techniques santioned by international and Federal law so that we do not continue further down the road as a rogue state.
Why is this so difficult for you guys?
February 8th, 2008 at 4:02 pmJ, is your last name Karnak?
February 8th, 2008 at 4:03 pmComment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
Let’s have your opinion on why the US has signed laws banning torture and why is John McCain opposed to torture?
February 8th, 2008 at 4:03 pm“And the far left is putting us all in danger.”
I hear an awful lot about how much danger I am in, and how afraid I am supposed to be. What I don’t hear from O’Reilly and his ilk is any reasonable explanation why — maybe they think if they just scream this often enough, we’ll all perceive some sense of danger with no explanation necessary. Unfortunately, the average American has become pretty desensitized to this hysteria. I admit I don’t have the strength to sustain the level of fear these guys want me to have.
I’m supposed to be afraid for my life if we don’t waterboard — despite the fact that waterboarding generally produces bogus and false information by detainees who will say anything to get the treatment to stop.
I’m supposed to be afraid for my life if we don’t allow warrantless wiretapping — despite the fact that any terrorist worth his salt KNOWS he is being listened to and acts accordingly (pre-paid disposable cell phones are favored).
I’m supposed to be afraid for my life if Republicans aren’t elected — despite the fact that our current Republican administration has succeeded in making America more hated in the world than it has ever been.
Sorry guys — if you want me to be afraid any more, you need to provide some really convincing evidence that the sky is truly falling. I need more than your tired rhetoric.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:03 pmReich-wingers, where is your [fake] outrage about herr dubyah funding a Russian Nuclear Lab that is in turn, working with the Iranians?!??!!? Well!?!?!?!
February 8th, 2008 at 4:06 pm.
# 38 Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
This “ENEMY” that laughs is laughing at YOU! For you wish and dream to be like that “ENEMY” some day, you daydreamer. You are what is wrong with this (formally) great Nation. You lack the sense and reason to know and understand the consequences of what you pervert.
SINCE WHEN IS TORTURE LEGAL?
HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT THE USE OF ILLEGAL ACTS?
WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU?
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February 8th, 2008 at 4:06 pmAre some of you suggesting that instead of using waterboarding, or other techniques to gather crucial information about national security, we should politely ask the enemy for any information they have.
Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
Yes. It’s a much more effective way to gather information from detainees. They’re much more likely to slip up and admit some crucial information if they’re treated in a less hostile fashion. Torturing only gets tem to say whatever they think the torturers want to hear, whether it’s true or not.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:09 pmComment by DRxJ — February 8, 2008 @ 3:53 pm
Excellent post, and I gave it a “recommend”. I wanted to say something similar, but you said it better.
One point though — and I realize I may be overly picky here — but there really isn’t such a thing as “Muslim descent”. Islam is a religion, not a race. “Muslim descent” makes about as much sense as “Methodist descent”.
I think you probably just meant to say “illegally torturing Muslim prisoners.”
February 8th, 2008 at 4:09 pmComment by RUCerious — February 8, 2008 @ 4:03 pm
No.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:09 pmThe enemy is laughing at us.
Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
the enemy is laughing at you. the enemy occupies our White House, and is snickering at the rightard tools that they have succeeded in scaring into pants-pissing terror. the enemy is the wingnut leasership, the foolish, cowardly, incompetent republican treason machine. that’s the enemy.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:10 pmWould somebody please waterboard o’liely so he will STFU?
February 8th, 2008 at 4:10 pmSomeone please strap that bastard to the floor and waterboard his goose-stepping ass!
February 8th, 2008 at 4:12 pm“And the far left is putting us all in danger.â€
Funny. Was it the far left who ignored the hundreds of warnings from both foreign AND domestic intelligence? The personal warnings delivered by outgoing administration officials that al Qaeda was the biggest, most immediate threat to the U.S?
February 8th, 2008 at 4:14 pm“Why are they so insane about this? It’s not fatal. It doesn’t leave a lasting phyiscal injury? Why are they so crazy?”
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I am assuming that because O’Reilly thinks waterboarding is just hunky-dory that he will have no objection when our own soldiers get taken prisoner and then waterboarded. After all, it leaves no lasting physical injury.
Oh right — O’Reilly has already gone on record with his view that mental and psychological injuries to our soldiers don’t matter. If they leave our veterans mentally unable to hold a job or exist in society to the point where they wind up homeless and sleeping under bridges, they don’t count because they’re “mentally ill” — like that’s their fault.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:15 pmBilly Hill = Mike Mukasey
Why do those that advocate waterboarding hate the troops?
February 8th, 2008 at 4:16 pmAre some of you suggesting that instead of using waterboarding, or other techniques to gather crucial information about national security, we should politely ask the enemy for any information they have. And if that doesn’t work, maybe we use good cop-bad cop methods to get the information. And if that doesn’t work, throw your hands in the air and say uncle? The enemy is laughing at us.
Comment by Southern Mantaste — February 8, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
In order to have an honest debate, I need a few answers from you:
February 8th, 2008 at 4:16 pm1) Please define the “enemy”
2) Please provide examples of waterboarding, or similar techniques (torture) that have provided crucial information, and not just something to say so the unbearable pain would stop.
3) If waterboarding and torture work so well, why haven’t we captured bin Laden?
Missmolly:
According to these people, you have a big problem: You think.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:18 pmTorture is a tool for terror, not for information. (read The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Kline) Ergo…those who use torture are terrorists.
Since the radical corporatists, as evidenced by this administration and their HATE media minions like OReilly, advocate torture…then we have a problem… because they are becoming terrorists themselves. And by extention, to the degree that we the citizens allow it, we are also terrorists.
So we have met the enemy, as it were, and they are us.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:18 pmWhich of the above can we use?
Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 4:13 pm
Do you support beating, torturing and subjecting prisoners to life threatening hypothermia deliberately?
And would you support an enemy doing the same to our soldiers and citizens or would you be screaming WAR CRIMES while demanding their heads on a platter?
February 8th, 2008 at 4:18 pmisn’t the supposed “FAR LEFT” (communists) notorious for their torture techniques?
i guess o’reilly has something in common with totalitarian communists. but i guess if you’re a fascist anything is left from there.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:19 pmPeggy Noonan has put it better than me - Hill’reh is at the point of becoming lethal:
http://online.wsj.com/ article/ SB120241915915951669.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
February 8th, 2008 at 4:19 pm“Which of the above can we use?”
Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 4:13 pm
If Hillary were president and she began to lable right wingers as ‘enemy combatants’, which techniques would you be cool with?
February 8th, 2008 at 4:20 pmHell, a dog could put it better than you, ManHandler.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:21 pmIn order to have an honest debate, I need a few answers from you:
1) Please define the “enemyâ€
Comment by DRxJ — February 8, 2008 @ 4:16 pm
I doubt we will get any definition of “enemy” from Southern Man. After all, we’re not getting any good definition from the Bush administration, nor are we getting one from any of the wingnut talking heads. This doesn’t stop them from using “enemy” as often as possible, as in “this would embolden the enemy,” or “the enemy wants us to cut and run,” or “we’re fighting the enemy there so we don’t have to fight the enemy here.”
The only thing that comes close to a definition is “those who wish to do us (Americans) harm”. Or “Al-Qaida” — even though virtually everybody we manage to kill in the Middle East is branded “Al Qaida” whether they are or not.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:23 pmmiss molly
February 8th, 2008 at 4:23 pmMy apologies. During my “thought process” before actually posting, I, at times, get interrupted, and when I get back, my mental flag for grammar or improper statements disappears.
Though I did like the “Methodist” descent!
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Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 4:13 pm
I will ask, AGAIN:
SINCE WHEN IS TORTURE LEGAL?
What does it make you when you support the use of illegal acts?
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February 8th, 2008 at 4:23 pmHillary isn’t really that hard to spell
February 8th, 2008 at 4:24 pmO’Reilly On Waterboarding: ‘The Far Left Is Putting Us All In Danger’
February 8th, 2008 at 4:25 pmWhich really means US all = neocons.
Every time I hear anything about O’Liely, I have to wonder - who in the heck is listening to this nut case?
February 8th, 2008 at 4:25 pmIn fact, studies have shown that psychological torture causes much greater and long-lasting damage than physical torture.
So O’Lielly’s ignorant comment about “it doesn’t leave a lasting physical injury” as a ddefense of torture is completely stupid.
Surprised?
February 8th, 2008 at 4:25 pm2 completely different things.
Comment by Billy Hill — February 8, 2008 @ 4:21 pm
You sure seem to be tapped into the mind of a terrorist. I’m sure we’ll find out that you actually are one after a few seconds of illegal torture.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:27 pm.
Comment by DRxJ — February 8, 2008 @ 4:16 pm
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4) If waterboarding(torture) is so effective, why did the CIA discontinue it’s use?
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February 8th, 2008 at 4:27 pmHillary isn’t really that hard to spell
Comment by dbadass — February 8, 2008 @ 4:24 pm
Seems to be for at least a certain self claimed “Ivy League” graduate.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:29 pmThe far RIGHT has ALREADY put us in danger.
Osama STILL FREE.
Taliban RESURGENT.
Quagmire in the Iraq WAR CRIME.
TORTURE.
Exposing CIA spies.
Being allied with the Bin Ladens.
ILLEGAL SPYING by the Telcos.
Pat Tillman DEAD due to friendly fire, Bush says “executive privilege”.
Anthrax case never solved.
Sibel Edmonds gagged in the US, says the Administration has a group selling WMD to Iran and others.
Bush and Cheney REFUSING to testify UNDER OATH to the 9/11 Commission and tell the TRUTH to the American people.
The TRAITORS have control of the government.
All they have left if the FEAR CARD.
Because what THEY fear MOST is being arrested for TREASON and WAR CRIMES.
Which shouild be done for the good of the USA and the WORLD.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:30 pmHillary isn’t really that hard to spell
Comment by dbadass — February 8, 2008 @ 4:24 pm
Well it is if you have antennae sticking up your butt, right Hend’leh?
February 8th, 2008 at 4:32 pmJohn Mc Cain was tortured, and he obviously didn’t like it. He was tortured and then beaten for years for being an American soldier. There is a difference between torture and being beaten. I don’t believe that we use waterboarding, and once we get the information we need after doing so, we lock them up in a cell and beat them for years. There is a differece between torture and beating.
Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 4:28 pm
When you are prisoner and cannot defend yourself, beating is still torture.
And your logic is as tortured as anyone who was waterboarded by the Japanese in WWII.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:32 pmThere is a difference between torture and being beaten.
LOL this is one stupid troll. Can we try to see the difference on you?
February 8th, 2008 at 4:34 pmThere is a differece between torture and beating.
Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 4:28 pm
Actually, there isn’t, you stupid shit.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:34 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler — February 8, 2008 @ 4:19 pm
peggy noonan? come on, jason hitler, even you can see the lies she has pulled form her ass.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:36 pmI have to run DrxJ. I do want to have an honest debate and respect you enough to continue it. I’ll try and post later on if your still interested. My kids school is having a function and i’m one of the few dads that show up and help.
Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 4:35 pm
do them a favor, stay home. your influence will be more positive if you’re nowhere near them, you sick piece of shit.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:36 pmWhich of the above can we use?
Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 4:13 pm
None, according to the UN Convention Against Torture:
… and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:
February 8th, 2008 at 4:36 pmi’m one of the few dads that show up and help.
Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 4:35 pm
Perhaps if you stayed home then more of the other dads would show up.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:37 pm“We wouldn’t use it if it didn’t work.”
“we” don’t use it. Americans are above that. Only traitors and cowards use torture.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:38 pmbut having been a couple of times for whatever reason I will take waterboarding over the other all day long. It is much more scarry but much less painful.
Comment by Billy Hill — February 8, 2008 @ 4:37 pm
well, the ignorance is palpable. No wonder you’ve been beaten up so often. waterboarding is what you need next.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:39 pmYep, it really works just that way….as has been proved time and again.
Comment by Billy Hill — February 8, 2008 @ 4:37 pm
Nah, it doesn’t work.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:39 pmLet’s have your opinion on why the US has signed laws banning torture and why is John McCain opposed to torture?
Comment by Keith — February 8, 2008 @ 4:03 pm
The US has signed laws banning certain forms of torture. Not all, because torture does work. We wouldn’t use it if it didn’t work.
John Mc Cain was tortured, and he obviously didn’t like it. He was tortured and then beaten for years for being an American soldier. There is a difference between torture and being beaten. I don’t believe that we use waterboarding, and once we get the information we need after doing so, we lock them up in a cell and beat them for years. There is a differece between torture and beating.
Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 4:28 pm
Anyone else notice that Southern Mammal didn’t answer the question?
Keith asked him (or it) why the U. S. had signed treaties banning torture.
SM acknowledges that we have signed such treaties, but doesn’t speculate on why we would have done such a cowardly thing. He (or it) tries to minimize the scope of the bans, and makes the baseless claim that “torture does work”.
But never says WHY the U. S. (and the rest of the civilized world) decided that torture was wrong and not sanctioned under international law.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:39 pmThe Saudis, Bush’s BUDDIES who finance Al Queda, are laughing at Bush. And his azslicking supporters of GENOCIDE and TREASON.
So is Osama, Bush FAMILY FRIEND.
So are ALL the Arab nations.
So is the WORLD.
“What an infidel dog azshole. Look what the MORON son of BIG TRAITOR Poppu does to his OWN PEOPLE”.
What an AZSHOLE is the INFIDEL DOG Bush.”
February 8th, 2008 at 4:40 pmThere is a differece between torture and beating.
Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 4:28 pm
Talk about parsing depravity……
February 8th, 2008 at 4:42 pmI will take waterboarding over the other all day long. It is much more scarry but much less painful.
Comment by Billy Hill — February 8, 2008 @ 4:37 pm
Anyone who waterboards me will have to beat me up first, and they damn sure better not leave me alive afterwards.
And I have experienced both.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:43 pmComment by ralph the wonder llama — February 8, 2008 @ 4:39 pm
No real suprises there yesterdays unanswerable question was “define winning” which is imperative to him but he just couldn’t muster how this imperative win would be recognized
February 8th, 2008 at 4:43 pmWhy are they so insane about this? It’s not fatal. It doesn’t leave a lasting phyiscal injury? Why are they so crazy? … I think the President has to have the authority…in extraordinary circumstances, as these three were. And the far left is putting us all in danger.
Wrong , Dildo O’Lielly
The present imbecile should not be given authority under any circumstance ; especially seeing as how this completely dishonest and secretive crappy administration will use any excuse and/or claim that any unrelated incident is cause for said “extraordinary circumstance(s)”.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:43 pmtoaster,
Thanks for your reply to SudanMan. I just couldn’t get the text up as fast as you did!!
SudanMan, have fun at your kid’s event. But stay the hell away from the other children!
February 8th, 2008 at 4:43 pmI do not know if you have ever had your ass kicked…..blah, blah, blah.
Comment by Billy Hill — February 8, 2008 @ 4:37 pm
There are many of us who can explain to you what that “whatever the reason” is…….
February 8th, 2008 at 4:43 pmQ: What branch of the service did Southern Man serve in?
A: Girl Scouts.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:45 pmO’Reilly speaks and, aside from the knuckle-draggers, the world yawns
February 8th, 2008 at 4:46 pmQ: What branch of the service did Southern Man serve in?
A: Girl Scouts.
Comment by Zimzone — February 8, 2008 @ 4:45 pm
Graduated out of the Brownies, huh? Impressive.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:48 pmI’ll try and post later on if your still interested. My kids school is having a function and i’m one of the few dads that show up and help.
Comment by Southern Man
Snow White and the Waterboarders
February 8th, 2008 at 4:49 pmRalph,
Yeah, same here…got kicked out of Boy Scouts for eating a Brownie.
Hey, it’s Friday!
February 8th, 2008 at 4:49 pmO’LIElly, the falafel, sexual predator, dildo using, sicko should be the first one to just give it a try.
Go ahead you propaganda spews sack of sh!t, try it out and see what you think.
Get back to us after you’re done crying in the corner, blowhard.
Buck Fush
February 8th, 2008 at 4:51 pmTHE TORTURE MYTH
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ articles/ A2302-2005Jan11.html
ROBERT FRISK: TORTURE DOES NOT WORK, AS HISTORY SHOWS
http://www.independent.co.uk/ news/ fisk/ robert-fisk-torture-does-not-work-as-history-shows-777213.html
DOES TORTURE WORK?
February 8th, 2008 at 4:52 pmhttp://dir.salon.com/ story/ opinion/ feature/ 2004/ 06/ 21/ torture_algiers/ index.html
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#85 Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 4:28 pm
Then when the USA tried Japanese Soldiers successfully, resulting in the execution of several soldiers and the imprisonment of others for the same crime, WATERBOARDING, was that not a precedent being set?
And when the USA Court Martial a US Serviceman successfully for WATERBOARDING a prisoner during Vietnam, was that not a precedent?
Oh, and when the Senate of the USA ratified Geneva Convention Common Articles 3 and 4, was that not Legal?
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February 8th, 2008 at 4:53 pmWhy bother with waterboarding… saw their heads off on camera, that’ll get them to talk. Or just gas and cremate them. Problem solved, right? They can’t hurt us then and our freedoms stand.
/sarcasm
February 8th, 2008 at 4:55 pm.
#94 Comment by Lefty Patriot — February 8, 2008 @ 4:36 pm
And to think he breeds with a mind like that.
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February 8th, 2008 at 4:56 pm.
#95 Comment by toasterhead — February 8, 2008 @ 4:36 pm
Let’s not forget why they hate us… for our freedoms…
Eighth Amendment: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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February 8th, 2008 at 5:00 pmWikipedia: “….experience in Iraq where interrogators saw an increase of 50 percent more high-value intelligence after coercive practices were banned. Maj. Gen. Geoffrey D. Miller, the American commander in charge of detentions and interrogations, stated “a rapport-based interrogation that recognizes respect and dignity, and having very well-trained interrogators, is the basis by which you develop intelligence rapidly and increase the validity of that intelligence.”[41] [”General Says Less Coercion of Captives Yields Better Data” NY Times September 7, 2004]”
“Others point out that despite administration claims that water boarding has “disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks”, no one has come up with a single documented example of lives saved thanks to torture.[42] [ Did torture Work? Washington Post December 11, 2007 ]”
February 8th, 2008 at 5:08 pmthere will be no more terror attacks in America
America has done the damage to itself
Karma - will now haunt it
February 8th, 2008 at 5:12 pmWe’re in danger from not waterboarding?!?!?
Bullsh*te….
I have a couple of posts that shoot this cr@p to hell….
I think that Bill O’Lielly needs to have a loofah slathered with K-Y jelly and inserted in his throat until such time as he comes to a different understanding. Some might advocate omitting the K-Y jelly, but that would be cruel…
Cheers,
February 8th, 2008 at 5:15 pmMy kids school is having a function and i’m one of the few dads that show up and help.
Comment by Southern Man
GET THIS SICKO AWAY FROM THE KIDS!!!!
Anyone who posts the stuff the scum posts should not be let anywhere near kids.
Buck Fush
February 8th, 2008 at 5:15 pmThe bottom line is bad guys will lie,before,during and after waterboarding or any other torture. American POW’s lied to stop the beatings,and it worked. I interviewed them in the USMC.
February 8th, 2008 at 5:26 pmAre some of you suggesting that instead of using waterboarding, or other techniques to gather crucial information about national security, we should politely ask the enemy for any information they have. And if that doesn’t work, maybe we use good cop-bad cop methods to get the information. And if that doesn’t work, throw your hands in the air and say uncle? The enemy is laughing at us.
Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
So you’re saying we have to ACT LIKE AN INHUMANE TERRORIST to FIGHT TERRORISTS? How NAZI of you. Ignore the FACT that TORTURE ISN’T RELIABLE. Ignore the FACT that it’s AGAINST THE LAW. Ignore the FACT that it was used as a REASON TO JUSTIFY OVERTHROWING SADDAM. Just ignore ALL OF THOSE FACTS, and realize the world is laughing at YOU the TARDS that TORTURED for PROVING THE TERRORISTS RIGHT that you TARDS are NO DIFFERENT THAN SADDAM! It’s easy to see why the REPUBLICAN RIGHT WING brought SADDAM to power! You’re NO DIFFERENT - YOU MORON!
February 8th, 2008 at 5:27 pmMy kids school is having a function and i’m one of the few dads that show up and help.
Comment by Southern Man
Pedophiles like YOU are ALWAYS the first to show up around children! SICK B**TARD!
February 8th, 2008 at 5:27 pmHey, Billo! BOO!
February 8th, 2008 at 5:32 pm“Yep, it really works just that way….as has been proved time and again.”
Comment by Billy Hill — February 8, 2008 @ 4:37 pm
So, either you really are a terrorist, or you have just admitted that waterboarding only gets people to admit to anything to get it to stop.
Which is it?
February 8th, 2008 at 5:33 pmComment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 4:28 pm
Is it acceptable for our enemy to waterboard U.S. soldiers upon the unfortunate chance that they are captured?
Come on and answer the question. None of your rightwing buddies want to touch that question, because they know what the answer is.
F-ing hypocrites is what you are.
February 8th, 2008 at 5:34 pm“Why are they so insane about this? It’s not fatal. It doesn’t leave a lasting phyiscal injury? Why are they so crazy? … I think the President has to have the authority…in extraordinary circumstances, as these three were. And the far left is putting us all in danger.”
torture isn’t fatal… if it were it’d be called murder, dumbass… this is torture - hurting someone to yield a desired result…
February 8th, 2008 at 5:35 pmOops. “Hypocrites are what you are.”
February 8th, 2008 at 5:35 pm“Is it acceptable for our enemy to waterboard U.S. soldiers upon the unfortunate chance that they are captured?”
They need to ask Mukasey and Gates this: If Americans are waterboarded by some group, and those people were later captured, would they be tried for war crimes? Would they be considered criminals? Please just answer the question before the American people.
February 8th, 2008 at 5:38 pmThe sad thing is, should some people e-mail Bill O. and suggest that he be waterboarded, he’ll read their messages on the air and brush them off as being silly to suggest such action.
Or if they say, hey, is it OK for U.S. troops to be waterboarded, he’ll change the subject and say that we aren’t talking about U.S. troops.
February 8th, 2008 at 5:38 pmComment by Pete Bogs — February 8, 2008 @ 5:38 pm
Indeed. And the more wars that we engage in, which McCain tells us will happen, the better the odds that one or more of our troops are captured.
February 8th, 2008 at 5:41 pmHa ha, Falafel Boy. Obama’s gonna ban water boarding and all other torture on day one of his Administration, and you can just sit there in a dark room with no viewers crying about it.
February 8th, 2008 at 5:41 pmDamn. Meant to say “…the better the odds that one or more of our troops will be captured.”
February 8th, 2008 at 5:43 pm(yawn)
did billhilly just say something?
Comment by DRxJ — February 8, 2008 @ 3:54 pm
sorta, he opened his mouth and farted.
it’s a trick only conservatives can do.
February 8th, 2008 at 6:00 pmLet’s not forget why they hate us… for our freedoms…
Eighth Amendment: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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Comment by Max-1 — February 8, 2008 @ 5:00 pm
so if we get rid of our freedoms they won’t hate us anymore.
pretzel logic courtesy of billy and the conservatives.
February 8th, 2008 at 6:02 pmI propose waterboarding Hendler until he understands what this thread is about.
Comment by VerbalKint
I propose waterboarding Hendler until he understands what anything is about. He is the dumbest most useless troll ever.
February 8th, 2008 at 6:04 pmLet’s have your opinion on why the US has signed laws banning torture and why is John McCain opposed to torture?
Comment by Keith
Just wait. Now that he is the heir apparent on the Republican side, I give him maybe a month before he hops on the torture train.
February 8th, 2008 at 6:08 pmtorture isn’t fatal… if it were it’d be called murder, dumbass… this is torture - hurting someone to yield a desired result…
Comment by Pete Bogs — February 8, 2008 @ 5:35 pm
It can and has been fatal many times.
Waterboarding is basically drowning someone, sometimes they leave the water in their lungs too long. They die or suffer permanent brain damage when that happens.
The medical complications are the same is drowning.
Thats why there is a death penalty for torture that ends in death, 20 years for torture that doesn’t.
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 113C > § 2340A. Torture
(a) Offense.— Whoever outside the United States commits or attempts to commit torture shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both, and if death results to any person from conduct prohibited by this subsection, shall be punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life.
(b) Jurisdiction.— There is jurisdiction over the activity prohibited in subsection (a) if—
(1) the alleged offender is a national of the United States; or
(2) the alleged offender is present in the United States, irrespective of the nationality of the victim or alleged offender.
(c) Conspiracy.— A person who conspires to commit an offense under this section shall be subject to the same penalties (other than the penalty of death) as the penalties prescribed for the offense, the commission of which was the object of the conspiracy.
February 8th, 2008 at 6:09 pmI’ll try and post later on if your still interested. My kids school is having a function and i’m one of the few dads that show up and help.
Comment by Southern Man
This idiot troll is beyond belief. He actually thinks that anyone here is interested in what he has to say? The only thing anyone here is interested in when it comes to S & M is a good game of Whack-a-Troll.
February 8th, 2008 at 6:15 pmRepublicans: Letting terrorists change our way of life since 2001.
February 8th, 2008 at 6:16 pmNo J, it works like this, they water boarded me the first time and I told them a lie….they found out and came back and beat my ass to a pulp then they said we are going to water board you again and if you lie again we will beat your ass harder and so on until we get what is called “actionable intelligence†from you this process will be repeated…..I told them what I knew and off to Paradise I went. This process was spread over many months with 100’s of interviews and many types of intelligence extraction using multiple tactics. The actual water boarding took less than a minute and was painless, just scarier.
Comment by Billy Hill
So perhaps Hillbilly can tell us exactly how the torturer knows when a person is telling a lie? Are they psychic?
Has anyone besides me noticed how shrill the trolls are getting. I see it as a sure sign of how scared they are. They know that the end is coming for them and they are getting desperate. One can only hope that their heads all explode at the same time.
February 8th, 2008 at 6:17 pmI propose waterboarding Hendler until he understands what anything is about. He is the dumbest most useless troll ever.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 8, 2008 @ 6:04 pm
Really? Dumber than Frank M? I don’t know about that…
BillHilly tries, but sadly, he’s not quite in the same class of stupid as Frank and Jason.
Sorry, Billy.
February 8th, 2008 at 7:25 pmBill, do you mean the 70% of Americans who do not approve of Bush? If that’s far left, then you lose big time.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:39 pmNo J, it works like this, they water boarded me the first time and I told them a lie….they found out and came back and beat my ass to a pulp then they said we are going to water board you again and if you lie again we will beat your ass harder and so on until we get what is called “actionable intelligence†from you this process will be repeated…..I told them what I knew and off to Paradise I went. This process was spread over many months with 100’s of interviews and many types of intelligence extraction using multiple tactics. The actual water boarding took less than a minute and was painless, just scarier.
Comment by Billy Hill
Why does this post give the me the impression that it’s by a guy who watches A LOT of TV……..real life experience?…..eh, not so much
February 8th, 2008 at 8:52 pm“the stupid is strong in these trolls, yes”
February 8th, 2008 at 9:13 pmyoda
Flash to 2010….
Bill O’Reilly: I can’t believe that evil witch Hillary wants to go around torturing people in violation of international treaty, and thinks she can just violate the Constitution with warrantless spying and suspending the right to a fair trial!!!! She is destroying the entire American way of life, and the foundations this nation was built on!!! Hillary, you are sworn to UPHOLD the Constitution, and if you do not, the nation should impeach you.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:17 pmFar left? Yea right. Maybe from your extreme right position on the spectrum ya sad old fool.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:56 pmComment by bilbobaggins — February 8, 2008 @ 6:17 pm
Has anyone besides me noticed how shrill the trolls are getting. I see it as a sure sign of how scared they are. They know that the end is coming for them and they are getting desperate. One can only hope that their heads all explode at the same time.
And what fireworks it would be! Love to be there!
February 9th, 2008 at 12:28 amComment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 4:28 pm
I don’t believe that we use waterboarding, and once we get the information we need after doing so, we lock them up in a cell and beat them for years.
How blind can someone be?He doesn’t BELIEVE??? This troll is totally detached from the reality of what is going on.
Yet, here it is, trying vainly to argue its fantasies and pass them off as facts!!! Truly the reich wing is floundering in desperation to send out these “totally out of it trolls” to represent them. Whew…
February 9th, 2008 at 12:36 am“There is a differece between torture and beating.
Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 4:28 pm”
No, there isn’t.
February 9th, 2008 at 1:21 am“No J, it works like this, they water boarded me the first time and I told them a lie….they found out and came back and beat my ass to a pulp then they said we are going to water board you again and if you lie again we will beat your ass harder and so on until we get what is called “actionable intelligence†from you this process will be repeated…..I told them what I knew and off to Paradise I went. This process was spread over many months with 100’s of interviews and many types of intelligence extraction using multiple tactics. The actual water boarding took less than a minute and was painless, just scarier.
Comment by Billy Hill — February 8, 2008 @ 6:11 pm”
Pure bullsh!t. Read a book Hillbilly.
February 9th, 2008 at 1:22 amThe world is beginning to doubt the moral basis…
Beginning?????????!!!! In 2005??!!!! The World DOUBT the MORALS of the US soon after the unelected war criminal, the Lier in chief, the deserter, STOLE the 2000 elections! It was then, Collinm not in 2005!
February 9th, 2008 at 5:37 amI propose waterboarding Hendler until he understands what anything is about. He is the dumbest most useless troll ever.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 8, 2008 @ 6:04 pm
Really? Dumber than Frank M? I don’t know about that…
BillHilly tries, but sadly, he’s not quite in the same class of stupid as Frank and Jason.
Sorry, Billy.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 8, 2008 @ 7:25 pm
I agree! Frank Merda, Grolly Bolly, Hilly Billy and J, what a bunch! Why don’t they find a site where the 30% of Bush support is? May be some mormon site or something… They can not articulate one argument with facts, morals or transparency. Very sad bunch!
February 9th, 2008 at 5:45 amwaterboarding and other torture techniques are now used by representatives of our government without being responsible to anyone for it…….they torture…..you sanction it…..
we barely know they use waterboarding…….honestly, you think that’s all they do? If they will waterboard and discuss it in public, what do you think they are really up to?
the fact that you just spent 160 posts talking to a troll about it says that this argument has been over for some time….
troll wins……because we still do torture…..and we do it for the very reasons that the troll has listed……..
keep talking to the trolls………they have the answers…………right.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:18 amI will feel safer when all that’s required of a POW is, as Bill O’Reilly puts it, name, rank and jihad number. An imprisoned, disarmed soldier no longer represents a battlefield threat, and he/she depends for survival and wellbeing on his/her captor. Since professional interrogators heavily discount any “information” produced by torture, I give that opinion heavier weight than I give to your amateur assertion that “waterboarding works”. With these premises, I draw the inference that if someone had no good reason to hate the American govt previously, then the use of torture by the American govt gives them sufficient reason now. When the American govt tortures any person, it endangers the American people.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:49 pm