Comments on: O’Reilly On Waterboarding: ‘The Far Left Is Putting Us All In Danger’ http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:23:47 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: batteryfast http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/comment-page-4/#comment-5284022 batteryfast Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:46:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/#comment-5284022 I will feel safer when all that’s required of a POW is, as Bill O’Reilly puts it, name, rank and jihad number. An imprisoned, disarmed soldier no longer represents a battlefield threat, and he/she depends for survival and wellbeing on his/her captor. Since professional interrogators heavily discount any “information” produced by torture, I give that opinion heavier weight than I give to your amateur assertion that “waterboarding works”. With these premises, I draw the inference that if someone had no good reason to hate the American govt previously, then the use of torture by the American govt gives them <a href="http://www.batterylaptoppower.com/acer/travelmate-370.htm" rel="nofollow">acer travelmate 370 battery</a>,<a href="http://www.batterylaptoppower.com/acer/travelmate-380.htm" rel="nofollow">acer travelmate 380 battery</a> sufficient reason now. When the American govt tortures any person, it endangers the American people. I will feel safer when all that’s required of a POW is, as Bill O’Reilly puts it, name, rank and jihad number. An imprisoned, disarmed soldier no longer represents a battlefield threat, and he/she depends for survival and wellbeing on his/her captor. Since professional interrogators heavily discount any “information” produced by torture, I give that opinion heavier weight than I give to your amateur assertion that “waterboarding works”. With these premises, I draw the inference that if someone had no good reason to hate the American govt previously, then the use of torture by the American govt gives them acer travelmate 370 battery,acer travelmate 380 battery
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]]> By: spicetrader http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/comment-page-4/#comment-4261447 spicetrader Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:49:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/#comment-4261447 I will feel safer when all that's required of a POW is, as Bill O'Reilly puts it, name, rank and jihad number. An imprisoned, disarmed soldier no longer represents a battlefield threat, and he/she depends for survival and wellbeing on his/her captor. Since professional interrogators heavily discount any "information" produced by torture, I give that opinion heavier weight than I give to your amateur assertion that "waterboarding works". With these premises, I draw the inference that if someone had no good reason to hate the American govt previously, then the use of torture by the American govt gives them sufficient reason now. When the American govt tortures any person, it endangers the American people. I will feel safer when all that’s required of a POW is, as Bill O’Reilly puts it, name, rank and jihad number. An imprisoned, disarmed soldier no longer represents a battlefield threat, and he/she depends for survival and wellbeing on his/her captor. Since professional interrogators heavily discount any “information” produced by torture, I give that opinion heavier weight than I give to your amateur assertion that “waterboarding works”. With these premises, I draw the inference that if someone had no good reason to hate the American govt previously, then the use of torture by the American govt gives them sufficient reason now. When the American govt tortures any person, it endangers the American people.

]]> By: Fred http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/comment-page-4/#comment-4259913 Fred Sat, 09 Feb 2008 15:18:37 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/#comment-4259913 waterboarding and other torture techniques are now used by representatives of our government without being responsible to anyone for it.......they torture.....you sanction it..... we barely know they use waterboarding.......honestly, you think that's all they do? If they will waterboard and discuss it in public, what do you think they are really up to? the fact that you just spent 160 posts talking to a troll about it says that this argument has been over for some time.... troll wins......because we still do torture.....and we do it for the very reasons that the troll has listed........ keep talking to the trolls.........they have the answers............right. waterboarding and other torture techniques are now used by representatives of our government without being responsible to anyone for it…….they torture…..you sanction it…..

we barely know they use waterboarding…….honestly, you think that’s all they do? If they will waterboard and discuss it in public, what do you think they are really up to?

the fact that you just spent 160 posts talking to a troll about it says that this argument has been over for some time….

troll wins……because we still do torture…..and we do it for the very reasons that the troll has listed……..

keep talking to the trolls………they have the answers…………right.

]]> By: sacopenapa http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/comment-page-4/#comment-4259893 sacopenapa Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:45:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/#comment-4259893 <em>I propose waterboarding Hendler until he understands what anything is about. He is the dumbest most useless troll ever. Comment by bilbobaggins — February 8, 2008 @ 6:04 pm Really? Dumber than Frank M? I don’t know about that… BillHilly tries, but sadly, he’s not quite in the same class of stupid as Frank and Jason. Sorry, Billy. Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 8, 2008 @ 7:25 pm </em> I agree! Frank Merda, Grolly Bolly, Hilly Billy and J, what a bunch! Why don't they find a site where the 30% of Bush support is? May be some mormon site or something... They can not articulate one argument with facts, morals or transparency. Very sad bunch! I propose waterboarding Hendler until he understands what anything is about. He is the dumbest most useless troll ever.

Comment by bilbobaggins — February 8, 2008 @ 6:04 pm

Really? Dumber than Frank M? I don’t know about that…

BillHilly tries, but sadly, he’s not quite in the same class of stupid as Frank and Jason.

Sorry, Billy.

Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 8, 2008 @ 7:25 pm

I agree! Frank Merda, Grolly Bolly, Hilly Billy and J, what a bunch! Why don’t they find a site where the 30% of Bush support is? May be some mormon site or something… They can not articulate one argument with facts, morals or transparency. Very sad bunch!

]]> By: sacopenapa http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/comment-page-4/#comment-4259892 sacopenapa Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:37:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/#comment-4259892 <em>The world is beginning to doubt the moral basis...</em> Beginning?????????!!!! In 2005??!!!! The World DOUBT the MORALS of the US soon after the unelected war criminal, the Lier in chief, the deserter, STOLE the 2000 elections! It was then, Collinm not in 2005! The world is beginning to doubt the moral basis…

Beginning?????????!!!! In 2005??!!!! The World DOUBT the MORALS of the US soon after the unelected war criminal, the Lier in chief, the deserter, STOLE the 2000 elections! It was then, Collinm not in 2005!

]]> By: Sabyen91 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/comment-page-4/#comment-4259855 Sabyen91 Sat, 09 Feb 2008 06:22:06 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/#comment-4259855 "No J, it works like this, they water boarded me the first time and I told them a lie….they found out and came back and beat my ass to a pulp then they said we are going to water board you again and if you lie again we will beat your ass harder and so on until we get what is called “actionable intelligence” from you this process will be repeated…..I told them what I knew and off to Paradise I went. This process was spread over many months with 100’s of interviews and many types of intelligence extraction using multiple tactics. The actual water boarding took less than a minute and was painless, just scarier. Comment by Billy Hill — February 8, 2008 @ 6:11 pm" Pure bullsh!t. Read a book Hillbilly. “No J, it works like this, they water boarded me the first time and I told them a lie….they found out and came back and beat my ass to a pulp then they said we are going to water board you again and if you lie again we will beat your ass harder and so on until we get what is called “actionable intelligence” from you this process will be repeated…..I told them what I knew and off to Paradise I went. This process was spread over many months with 100’s of interviews and many types of intelligence extraction using multiple tactics. The actual water boarding took less than a minute and was painless, just scarier.

Comment by Billy Hill — February 8, 2008 @ 6:11 pm”

Pure bullsh!t. Read a book Hillbilly.

]]> By: Sabyen91 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/comment-page-4/#comment-4259854 Sabyen91 Sat, 09 Feb 2008 06:21:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/#comment-4259854 "There is a differece between torture and beating. Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 4:28 pm" No, there isn't. “There is a differece between torture and beating.

Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 4:28 pm”

No, there isn’t.

]]> By: Merlin http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/comment-page-4/#comment-4259844 Merlin Sat, 09 Feb 2008 05:36:42 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/#comment-4259844 Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 4:28 pm <em>I don’t believe that we use waterboarding, and once we get the information we need after doing so, we lock them up in a cell and beat them for years.</em> <strong>How blind can someone be?</strong>He doesn't BELIEVE??? This troll is totally detached from the reality of what is going on. Yet, here it is, trying vainly to argue its fantasies and pass them off as facts!!! Truly the reich wing is floundering in desperation to send out these "totally out of it trolls" to represent them. Whew... Comment by Southern Man — February 8, 2008 @ 4:28 pm

I don’t believe that we use waterboarding, and once we get the information we need after doing so, we lock them up in a cell and beat them for years.

How blind can someone be?He doesn’t BELIEVE??? This troll is totally detached from the reality of what is going on.

Yet, here it is, trying vainly to argue its fantasies and pass them off as facts!!! Truly the reich wing is floundering in desperation to send out these “totally out of it trolls” to represent them. Whew…

]]> By: Merlin http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/comment-page-4/#comment-4259842 Merlin Sat, 09 Feb 2008 05:28:17 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/#comment-4259842 Comment by bilbobaggins — February 8, 2008 @ 6:17 pm <em>Has anyone besides me noticed how shrill the trolls are getting. I see it as a sure sign of how scared they are. They know that the end is coming for them and they are getting desperate. One can only hope that their heads all explode at the same time.</em> And what fireworks it would be! Love to be there! Comment by bilbobaggins — February 8, 2008 @ 6:17 pm

Has anyone besides me noticed how shrill the trolls are getting. I see it as a sure sign of how scared they are. They know that the end is coming for them and they are getting desperate. One can only hope that their heads all explode at the same time.

And what fireworks it would be! Love to be there!

]]> By: Neeko http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/comment-page-4/#comment-4259830 Neeko Sat, 09 Feb 2008 04:56:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/#comment-4259830 Far left? Yea right. Maybe from your extreme right position on the spectrum ya sad old fool. Far left? Yea right. Maybe from your extreme right position on the spectrum ya sad old fool.

]]> By: BrianFL http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/comment-page-4/#comment-4259821 BrianFL Sat, 09 Feb 2008 04:17:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/#comment-4259821 Flash to 2010.... Bill O'Reilly: I can't believe that evil witch Hillary wants to go around torturing people in violation of international treaty, and thinks she can just violate the Constitution with warrantless spying and suspending the right to a fair trial!!!! She is destroying the entire American way of life, and the foundations this nation was built on!!! Hillary, you are sworn to UPHOLD the Constitution, and if you do not, the nation should impeach you. Flash to 2010….

Bill O’Reilly: I can’t believe that evil witch Hillary wants to go around torturing people in violation of international treaty, and thinks she can just violate the Constitution with warrantless spying and suspending the right to a fair trial!!!! She is destroying the entire American way of life, and the foundations this nation was built on!!! Hillary, you are sworn to UPHOLD the Constitution, and if you do not, the nation should impeach you.

]]> By: Bobwurst http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/comment-page-4/#comment-4259767 Bobwurst Sat, 09 Feb 2008 02:13:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/#comment-4259767 "the stupid is strong in these trolls, yes" yoda “the stupid is strong in these trolls, yes”
yoda

]]> By: flavorino http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/comment-page-4/#comment-4259757 flavorino Sat, 09 Feb 2008 01:52:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/#comment-4259757 No J, it works like this, they water boarded me the first time and I told them a lie….they found out and came back and beat my ass to a pulp then they said we are going to water board you again and if you lie again we will beat your ass harder and so on until we get what is called “actionable intelligence” from you this process will be repeated…..I told them what I knew and off to Paradise I went. This process was spread over many months with 100’s of interviews and many types of intelligence extraction using multiple tactics. The actual water boarding took less than a minute and was painless, just scarier. Comment by Billy Hill Why does this post give the me the impression that it's by a guy who watches A LOT of TV........real life experience?.....eh, not so much No J, it works like this, they water boarded me the first time and I told them a lie….they found out and came back and beat my ass to a pulp then they said we are going to water board you again and if you lie again we will beat your ass harder and so on until we get what is called “actionable intelligence” from you this process will be repeated…..I told them what I knew and off to Paradise I went. This process was spread over many months with 100’s of interviews and many types of intelligence extraction using multiple tactics. The actual water boarding took less than a minute and was painless, just scarier.
Comment by Billy Hill

Why does this post give the me the impression that it’s by a guy who watches A LOT of TV……..real life experience?…..eh, not so much

]]> By: questioneverything http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4259743 questioneverything Sat, 09 Feb 2008 01:39:37 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/#comment-4259743 Bill, do you mean the 70% of Americans who do not approve of Bush? If that's far left, then you lose big time. Bill, do you mean the 70% of Americans who do not approve of Bush? If that’s far left, then you lose big time.

]]> By: ralph the wonder llama http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4259689 ralph the wonder llama Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:25:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/#comment-4259689 <em>I propose waterboarding Hendler until he understands what anything is about. He is the dumbest most useless troll ever. Comment by bilbobaggins — February 8, 2008 @ 6:04 pm</em> Really? Dumber than Frank M? I don't know about that... BillHilly tries, but sadly, he's not quite in the same class of stupid as Frank and Jason. Sorry, Billy. I propose waterboarding Hendler until he understands what anything is about. He is the dumbest most useless troll ever.

Comment by bilbobaggins — February 8, 2008 @ 6:04 pm

Really? Dumber than Frank M? I don’t know about that…

BillHilly tries, but sadly, he’s not quite in the same class of stupid as Frank and Jason.

Sorry, Billy.

]]> By: bilbobaggins http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4259632 bilbobaggins Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:17:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/#comment-4259632 <em>No J, it works like this, they water boarded me the first time and I told them a lie….they found out and came back and beat my ass to a pulp then they said we are going to water board you again and if you lie again we will beat your ass harder and so on until we get what is called “actionable intelligence” from you this process will be repeated…..I told them what I knew and off to Paradise I went. This process was spread over many months with 100’s of interviews and many types of intelligence extraction using multiple tactics. The actual water boarding took less than a minute and was painless, just scarier. Comment by Billy Hill </em> So perhaps Hillbilly can tell us exactly how the torturer knows when a person is telling a lie? Are they psychic? Has anyone besides me noticed how shrill the trolls are getting. I see it as a sure sign of how scared they are. They know that the end is coming for them and they are getting desperate. One can only hope that their heads all explode at the same time. No J, it works like this, they water boarded me the first time and I told them a lie….they found out and came back and beat my ass to a pulp then they said we are going to water board you again and if you lie again we will beat your ass harder and so on until we get what is called “actionable intelligence” from you this process will be repeated…..I told them what I knew and off to Paradise I went. This process was spread over many months with 100’s of interviews and many types of intelligence extraction using multiple tactics. The actual water boarding took less than a minute and was painless, just scarier.
Comment by Billy Hill

So perhaps Hillbilly can tell us exactly how the torturer knows when a person is telling a lie? Are they psychic?

Has anyone besides me noticed how shrill the trolls are getting. I see it as a sure sign of how scared they are. They know that the end is coming for them and they are getting desperate. One can only hope that their heads all explode at the same time.

]]> By: J http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4259631 J Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:16:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/#comment-4259631 Republicans: Letting terrorists change our way of life since 2001. Republicans: Letting terrorists change our way of life since 2001.

]]> By: bilbobaggins http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4259630 bilbobaggins Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:15:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/#comment-4259630 <em>I’ll try and post later on if your still interested. My kids school is having a function and i’m one of the few dads that show up and help. Comment by Southern Man</em> This idiot troll is beyond belief. He actually thinks that anyone here is interested in what he has to say? The only thing anyone here is interested in when it comes to S & M is a good game of Whack-a-Troll. I’ll try and post later on if your still interested. My kids school is having a function and i’m one of the few dads that show up and help.
Comment by Southern Man

This idiot troll is beyond belief. He actually thinks that anyone here is interested in what he has to say? The only thing anyone here is interested in when it comes to S & M is a good game of Whack-a-Troll.

]]> By: Wayne http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4259626 Wayne Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:09:42 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/#comment-4259626 torture isn’t fatal… if it were it’d be called murder, dumbass… this is torture - hurting someone to yield a desired result… Comment by Pete Bogs — February 8, 2008 @ 5:35 pm It can and has been fatal many times. Waterboarding is basically drowning someone, sometimes they leave the water in their lungs too long. They die or suffer permanent brain damage when that happens. The medical complications are the same is drowning. Thats why there is a death penalty for torture that ends in death, 20 years for torture that doesn't. TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 113C > § 2340A. Torture (a) Offense.— Whoever outside the United States commits or attempts to commit torture shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both, and <strong>if death results to any person from conduct prohibited by this subsection, shall be punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life.</strong> (b) Jurisdiction.— There is jurisdiction over the activity prohibited in subsection (a) if— (1) the alleged offender is a national of the United States; or (2) the alleged offender is present in the United States, irrespective of the nationality of the victim or alleged offender. (c) Conspiracy.— A person who conspires to commit an offense under this section shall be subject to the same penalties (other than the penalty of death) as the penalties prescribed for the offense, the commission of which was the object of the conspiracy. torture isn’t fatal… if it were it’d be called murder, dumbass… this is torture – hurting someone to yield a desired result…

Comment by Pete Bogs — February 8, 2008 @ 5:35 pm

It can and has been fatal many times.
Waterboarding is basically drowning someone, sometimes they leave the water in their lungs too long. They die or suffer permanent brain damage when that happens.
The medical complications are the same is drowning.

Thats why there is a death penalty for torture that ends in death, 20 years for torture that doesn’t.

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 113C > § 2340A. Torture

(a) Offense.— Whoever outside the United States commits or attempts to commit torture shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both, and if death results to any person from conduct prohibited by this subsection, shall be punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life.

(b) Jurisdiction.— There is jurisdiction over the activity prohibited in subsection (a) if—
(1) the alleged offender is a national of the United States; or
(2) the alleged offender is present in the United States, irrespective of the nationality of the victim or alleged offender.

(c) Conspiracy.— A person who conspires to commit an offense under this section shall be subject to the same penalties (other than the penalty of death) as the penalties prescribed for the offense, the commission of which was the object of the conspiracy.

]]> By: bilbobaggins http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/comment-page-3/#comment-4259624 bilbobaggins Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:08:45 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/oreilly-waterboarding/#comment-4259624 <em>Let’s have your opinion on why the US has signed laws banning torture and why is John McCain opposed to torture? Comment by Keith</em> Just wait. Now that he is the heir apparent on the Republican side, I give him maybe a month before he hops on the torture train. Let’s have your opinion on why the US has signed laws banning torture and why is John McCain opposed to torture?
Comment by Keith

Just wait. Now that he is the heir apparent on the Republican side, I give him maybe a month before he hops on the torture train.

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