Romney’s Fearmongering Speech Ignores Bush’s History Of Retreats In War On Terror
Romney’s Fearmongering Speech Ignores Bush’s History Of Retreats In War On Terror
Announcing the suspension of his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney suggested he was bowing out to help strengthen Republican chances at winning in November. He said that mattered, in part, because, “Barack and Hillary have made their intentions clear regarding Iraq and the war on terror. They would retreat, declare defeat.”
Romney’s remarks ignored the conservative record of retreats in the fight against global terrorism. The decision not to pursue Osama bin Laden at Tora Bora in 2002 is the most well-known retreat.
[Brig. Gen. James N. Mattis] argued strongly that he should be permitted to proceed to the Tora Bora caves. The general was turned down. An American intelligence official told me that the Bush administration later concluded that the refusal of Centcom to dispatch the marines — along with their failure to commit U.S. ground forces to Afghanistan generally — was the gravest error of the war.
And bin Laden remains free to this day. But there are several other retreats. As both the Wall Street Journal and NBC News reported, President Bush three times turned down opportunities to take out Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, when the Pentagon specifically requested permission to do so. The reason?
“People were more obsessed with developing the coalition to overthrow Saddam than to execute the president’s policy of preemption against terrorists,” according to terrorism expert and former National Security Council member Roger Cressey.
This past October, the local mastermind of the Cole bombing, Jamal al-Badawi, was allowed to remain free in Yemen after pledging his allegiance to that nation’s president, whom the Bush administration also calls an ally. The White House has expressed disappointment, but has done little else to avoid countenancing an effective safe haven for the murderer of 17 U.S. sailors.
Nor is Yemen the only terrorist safe haven overseen by an ally of President Bush. When Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf struck a truce with tribal militants in the Waziristan region of his country, Bush not only declined to protest, he supported this truce.
Moreover, Bush’s inattention to al Qaeda before 9/11 proved extremely costly. In the summer of 2001, the NSA knew that America’s lack of retaliation for the Cole bombing had led bin Laden to plan “something so big now that the US will have to respond.”
– Tom
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Breaking News
Mitt Romney, backed by the oil companies covering their bets, have offered a hostile takeover bid for the Hillary Clinton campaign offering share holders as much as $35 per vote.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:30 pmUnbelievable! You libs must be losing it if that’s the BEST you can make up!!!
Libs are notorious for being cowards and cut and runners. I don’t like Mc Cain but at least he will work to DEFEAT (you libs sure know what that word means don’t you!) the terrorists.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:31 pmAlert. Hyper-projection event in comment #2. Dispatch truth squads and employ standard cleanup procedures.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:36 pmComment by John Kerry — February 9, 2008 @ 3:31 pm
Good afternnon John Kerry. I have been wondering if you don’t mind would you be willing to post a list of the top 5 groups you hate/fear/wish to destroy the most and why? I think it might be interesting to us all. I mostly am interested in if liberals will top “the terrorists”. Thanks for considering my idea and best-
February 9th, 2008 at 3:42 pmComment by John Kerry — February 9, 2008 @ 3:31 pm
If you really had a brain, you might actually be able to tie your own shoes
February 9th, 2008 at 3:43 pmIraqi groups ‘withdraw’ US support
Sunni armed groups known as Awakening Councils appear to have withdrawn their support for US forces and the Iraqi government in Diyala province.
The move has been seen as a significant blow to the US, which has hailed the groups’ work in securing towns and neighbourhoods as a rare success in increasing security in the country.
http://english.aljazeera.net/English
February 9th, 2008 at 3:47 pm100 year McCain
will lose the election
February 9th, 2008 at 3:48 pmin order to maintain our empire and our militarized economy we need to have an enemy.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:50 pmthere can be military successes now and then but the goal is not peace, the goal is for the war to go on so that industry can fuel it.
that’s why Dubya’s take on bin Laden started as “wanted dead or alive” but had to morph into “i really don’t think about him that much”
Osama bin Laden had to be allowed to escape so that the inspiration and mouthpiece of their “Islamofascist” enemy was still out there, threatening and looming large. Only then could their stance of hard on terror and soft on civil rights make sense to the frightened population.
It was very under-reported, of course, but we let the fiercest of our enemies go. If that was not to insure the GWOT would continue then why would our government allow it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_BS83BmTIQ
#2 Nobody, including yourself as you admitted, likes McCain and no one can get the emotion terror to sign a surrender agreement on the deck of the USS Mission Accomplished.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:51 pmIt’s a perpetual Orwellian war McCain wants to continue for 50 perhaps 100 years.
Russia seems set to write off all but about $1 billion of Iraq’s $13 bn. debt to Moscow. This step is a loss leader, and in return Russian oil firms are going to do very well in new bids let over the next few years. The Russians had commitments from Saddam to develop the West Qurna fields, and that is still a possibility. After all, there is a lot more than $12 bn. to be made in the Iraq hydrocarbon fields. China forgave $8 bn. in loans last summer and already the Iraqis are saying that it would make sense for China to develop the al-Ahdab fields.
Talks with Western oil majors, including Exxon-Mobil and Chevron on technical service agreements are set to resume in March. Hat tip to the invaluable Iraq Oil Report.
HA HA HA All America is getting is service contract
http://www.juancole.com/
BUSH LOST ALL THAT OIL …………… ha ha ha ha
what a loser bush is
February 9th, 2008 at 3:53 pmCorrect me if I’m wrong, but as the wrong wing understands the term, didn’t Romney just essentially “cut-and-run” from his campaign this week?
Why would any God-fearing wrong-winger listen to anything said by a notorious cut-and-runner?
February 9th, 2008 at 3:56 pmexcellent post.
and i think romney was fetching for anything to justify his “tragic” collapse.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:57 pmthere can be military successes now and then but the goal is not peace, the goal is for the war to go on so that industry can fuel it.
that’s why Dubya’s take on bin Laden started as “wanted dead or alive†but had to morph into “i really don’t think about him that muchâ€
Osama bin Laden had to be allowed to escape so that the inspiration and mouthpiece of their “Islamofascist†enemy was still out there, threatening and looming large. Only then could their stance of hard on terror and soft on civil rights make sense to the frightened population.
i’m not so sure this is the case, and in any case, you can’t provide evidence. and don’t get me wrong, i wish your statements were true.
but how can you prove what collectively and deliberately motivates all these military/industrial interests?
conspiracy theories are dangerous in this regard. might as well stick with what we know, rather than guess.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:00 pmCheck this
Looks like Bad new for America
http://iraqoilreport.com/
February 9th, 2008 at 4:01 pmthere can be military successes now and then but the goal is not peace, the goal is for the war to go on so that industry can fuel it.
that’s why Dubya’s take on bin Laden started as “wanted dead or alive†but had to morph into “i really don’t think about him that muchâ€
Osama bin Laden had to be allowed to escape so that the inspiration and mouthpiece of their “Islamofascist†enemy was still out there, threatening and looming large. Only then could their stance of hard on terror and soft on civil rights make sense to the frightened population.
The thing is its illegal in most countries to have a foreign debt not held in gold reserves………………. As where America needs weapons sales because it holds NO GOLD in federal reserves ……..just a useless piece of paper called the Dollar and FUTURE weapons sales
go back to holding Gold reserves and the world will be a lot safer without your weapons
To make money through weapons sales you HAVE to start meaningless wars
February 9th, 2008 at 4:05 pm#2
A true example of a mental defective, any troll that takes on the ID of someone it hates is obviously much more at home in the shallow end of the gene pool
But hey, you keep reaching for the stars lil’ trooper, you’re doing the GOP so proud with your efforts
February 9th, 2008 at 4:10 pmU.S.-backed Sunni tribesmen shut their offices and rallied in Baqouba’s streets Saturday,
February 9th, 2008 at 4:10 pmin a New poll
Obama leads McCain by 8 points, 52 percent to 44 percent
Clinton lead McCain 50 percent to 47 percent.
VOTE OBAMA SO HE CAN RIP McCAIN TO BITS ON A ONE TO ONE
February 9th, 2008 at 4:16 pmVOTE OBAMA SO HE CAN RIP McCAIN TO BITS ON A ONE TO ONE
Comment by Bush Cover Ups — February 9, 2008 @ 4:16 pm
Donald Trump’s toupee can rip mccain to bits.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:18 pmbut how can you prove what collectively and deliberately motivates all these military/industrial interests?
Comment by darladoon — February 9, 2008 @ 4:00 pm
According to NPR….Stock in Lockheed Martin, America’s largest defense contractor, that was worth $3000 on Sept. 10, 2001, is NOW worth close to $10,000. Coincidence???
February 9th, 2008 at 4:19 pmMcCain has been “given” the nominee choice for giving in to Bush back in 2000. The powers that be are aware that any Republican is going to be a loser this year, so throw McCain to the dogs. He thinks he has been repaid, the Republican party gives up, win win for all.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:21 pmLibs are notorious for being cowards and cut and runners.
Comment by John K
Examples of cutting and running include…….
I don’t like Mc Cain but at least he will work to DEFEAT (you libs sure know what that word means don’t you!) the terrorists.
Comment by John K
In DEFEAT, you mean in what the Democratic Party did to the Republicans in 2006? And what they are going to do to McCain in November?
And could you explain to me how a Shia-dominated Iraq with a Shia-majority government backed by Shia militias will allow a minor Sunni terrorist group full of foreigners take over the country.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:25 pmFBI spawns ’shoot-to-kill’ citizens
Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:49:18
The FBI reportedly launches a clandestine alliance which prepares privileged citizens to ’shoot to kill’ without possibility of prosecution.
An alliance dubbed the ‘InfraGard’, which reportedly consists of over 23,000 representatives of the US’ private sector in addition to the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, is engaged in secret activities to maintain elements of ‘critical national infrastructure’.
According to a February 7 article published in the Progressive magazine, these businessmen impart vital information to the FBI in return for secret intelligence about ‘terrorist threats’ prior to informing the pubic and perhaps even government officials.
“One business owner in the United States tells me that InfraGard members are being advised on how to prepare for a martial law situation-and what their role might be,” author Matthew Rothschild quoted a whistleblower as saying.
“Then they said when-not if-martial law is declared, it was our responsibility to protect our portion of the infrastructure, and if we had to use deadly force to protect it, we couldn’t be prosecuted,” the informant claimed.
The report added that a business executive who had an InfraGard card said the organization’s activities are to such an extent that they even have permission to ’shoot to kill’.
By ‘infrastructure’ he was referring to such sectors as agriculture, defense, energy, food, information, telecommunications, law enforcement, public health, transportation, the banking and finance sectors as well as the chemical industry in which InfraGard members are believed to be most active.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:26 pmJust a dirtbag rethug sucking up to the adored leader. Americans know the abject failure of this farce of a war on terrrrr…
February 9th, 2008 at 4:27 pmThe only equivalent example of the incredible political gutlessness and opportunism that Romney showed might be the James Gregory character in “The Manchurian Candidate.” In terms of his total lack of class, he’s close to Nixon’s 1962 meltdown. Mitt, you are a whore.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:28 pmBush needs to confine his comments to CPAC they are the only ones who want to hear him.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:29 pmAccording to NPR….Stock in Lockheed Martin, America’s largest defense contractor, that was worth $3000 on Sept. 10, 2001, is NOW worth close to $10,000. Coincidence???
that’s your evidence? because lockheed stock is high, that means certain individuals consciously or subconsciously desire war?
you’re onto something here. go on…..
February 9th, 2008 at 4:30 pmMy apologies, This is completely off topic but thought it deserved some attention.
Dear XXXXX,
Our Constitution is under threat and the most basic principle of checks and balances is being undermined. Not since Watergate has a president so openly disregarded the will of Congress.
During hearings in the Judiciary Committee yesterday, I told Attorney General Michael Mukasey that I called for impeachment hearings because of the stonewalling and blatant abuses of the Bush Administration. He responded by stating that he will NOT enforce a contempt of Congress citation against Harriet Miers and White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten for refusing to testify before Congress. The video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7M9sjRLCtQ
Alberto Gonzales may be long gone, but the Bush Administration continues its executive overreach with the new Attorney General.
We can debate the need for Impeachment hearings. We can argue its effects on the election or our agenda. But one thing is abundantly clear:
If Congress’ right to require testimony is undermined, then our country’s leaders - Democrat, Republican, or Independent - will be immune from accountability.
The power of the subpoena - to call officials before us - is one of the most fundamental safeguards in our system of government. To have it effectively discarded - by virtue of the President instructing Administration officials to ignore a congressional subpoenas and not even appear before Congress - is unprecedented. The idea that the Attorney General would willingly defend this position - despite Congress’ constitutional right to call such witnesses, is outrageous.
Impeachment hearings could render this moot: The President, Vice President, and all officials under them would no longer invoke executive privilege. There would be no more smokescreens.
In one week, I will be delivering my letter calling for impeachment hearings to Chairman John Conyers. Already, 16 Members of Congress have joined my call, including 3 Judiciary Committee members. I am hopeful for more in the coming days, but it is important for you to reach out to your representative in Congress to express how you feel. You can view the current list of signers, here: http://www.wexlerforcongress.com/news.asp?ItemID=230
I do not know how Congress will react, but I do know this: I will pursue this course aggressively. I will not compromise away the constitutional role of Congress. Your support is invaluable. Please know that I am working everyday to ensure that the Bush Administration is held accountable.
Please continue to support this movement at http://www.wexlerwantshearings.com.
Yours truly,
Congressman Robert Wexler
February 9th, 2008 at 4:33 pm#27 - check all the values of any company making money off our military invasion, and then look into the donations to bush both 2000 and 2004. Any company that donated big bucks has every bill they push for approved. Coincidence ? Hardly.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:35 pmWell, now that Mitt has dropped out, he can shut up for all I care.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:35 pmexcellent post, tom!
well planned and executed… short, but covering all major points…
…
and, in case no one else has said it, i have to reiterate jon stewart’s
February 9th, 2008 at 4:36 pmreaction to this speech…
to MonsieurRomney: FU(K YOU!
Lockheed Martin stock is not high….It has MORE THAN TRIPLED in less than 7 years. Most Folks that work for Lockheed Martin…IN 43 States…probably hate war like most Americans…but there is no doubt that War is Good for Business.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:37 pm#27 - check all the values of any company making money off our military invasion, and then look into the donations to bush both 2000 and 2004. Any company that donated big bucks has every bill they push for approved. Coincidence ? Hardly.
they would have donated to a democrat, too! it doesn’t matter who’s in the white house. what, do you think defense contractors don’t ‘work’ democrats? think again. at the top, corruption is de rigeur.
and furthermore, even these cats donated cash to bush, that doesn’t mean they are subconsciously motivated by human suffering.
if you can prove that, i would be utterly shocked. probably suicidal.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:39 pmLockheed Martin stock is not high….It has MORE THAN TRIPLED in less than 7 years. Most Folks that work for Lockheed Martin…IN 43 States…probably hate war like most Americans…but there is no doubt that War is Good for Business.
so, what? does that mean that shareholders of lockheed martin are subconsciously or consciously desiring human suffering, so as to increase their share value? if so, i have to throw up now.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:40 pmHere what I say to phony Republicans like Romney: I guess our current President fails your test miserably as he is the worst President since all the way back to the last World War, worse than any liberal Democrat including even Carter, in growing government jobs faster than the private sector can produce them!
I’ll tell you something. If I’m a conservative I’m hopping mad at Bush. I’m fed up at his wasteful spending, and his growth in federal government. And for what?? The man and everyone associated with him are a bunch of incompetents.
He has taken the Republican Party into the toilet with all his scandals. He has trampled over our civil liberties in violation of the Constitution.
He has turned a party that was against costly foreign intervention into a party of hawks. Hawks that can’t even see straight as they let bin Ladin get away.
He has presided over the peaking of Fox and a bunch of prima donna pundits sell outs like O’Reilly, Coulter and Limbaugh who demagogue the Republican Party to death every day with meanspirited, hypocritical, divisive, attack dog tripe all day long.
If I am a Republican, I am mad at Bush, Rove and crew, because all the party is left with is white, straight men with a chip on their shoulder blinding them to the reality that at this rate their numbers will shrink into a minority that will have more and more trouble keeping up at the polls.
Just look at this. If I am a Republican I know that the facts in the article below are real life real world facts that are a disgrace to the Republican Party and every single thing at the core of what they stand for.
As a Democrat, I am mad not because of the growth in government. I am mad because our President was too impotent and distracted with his frolic and detour in Iraq to grow jobs in the private sector for ordinary people. I am mad because with all the spending, of my money and yours, we haven’t gotten squat from our government in return. I really would prefer that Bush stood to real conservative principles because any extra penny he spends in our government is a total waste, down the tubes on one of his contractor buddies or flushed by one of his crony hack incompetents running our various agencies.
Here’s what we really need. We don’t need a Democrat. We don’t need a Republican. We need someone EFFECTIVE and MORAL. All the Republican candidates are lost. Lost to reality. They are too busy making up stories about how their legacy of power since their grandiose contract with America is somehow something other than a complete and total flop.
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2008/ 02/ 09/ business/ 09charts.html?sq=jobs&st=nyt&scp=7&pagewanted=print
“February 9, 2008
Off the Charts
Job Growth Where Bush Didn’t Want It
By FLOYD NORRIS
IT is not exactly a distinction that he had in mind, but seven years into his presidency, George W. Bush is in line to be the first president since World War II to preside over an economy in which federal government employment rose more rapidly than employment in the private sector.
That is not because federal government jobs have risen at an unusually rapid rate over the last seven years — although the increase did reverse a substantial decline under Mr. Bush’s most recent predecessor, Bill Clinton.
Instead, it is because job gains in the private sector were modest even after the economy recovered from the 2001 recession. In 2005, private sector employment rose 2 percent, the best annual growth rate during the Bush administration, but the rate fell to 1.4 percent in 2006 and 0.7 percent in 2007. In contrast, in six of the eight Clinton years growth was above 2 percent.
With the economy clearly slowing as the final year of Mr. Bush’s presidency begins, it is possible that the overall rate of growth in private sector employment for his presidency, now at 0.53 percent per year, could fall below the 0.41 percent rate of his father’s administration, which had been the lowest of any president since World War II.”
February 9th, 2008 at 4:44 pmso, what? does that mean that shareholders of lockheed martin are subconsciously or consciously desiring human suffering, so as to increase their share value? if so, i have to throw up now.
Comment by darladoon — February 9, 2008 @ 4:40 pm
Now you’re seeing the real Bush base, those who cheer the deaths of Americans as their portfolio fattens. this is the true republican ideology; profits over people’s lives.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:44 pmUnfortunate for Dems, McCain will likely win in November unless Dems knock off Hitler and her mouthpiece husband. But that’s not likely - the Dems are little lap dog foot soldiers to the EVIL Clintons.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — February 9, 2008 @ 4:46 pm
Hahahaha, you’re all done. Your own little Hitler Bushie failed at everything he tried, except killing Americans. That’s all he is good at, that’s what the Republicans thrive on: killing Americans, one way or another. McCain hasn’t a chance of winning in November; he’s a coward and a flip-flopper, who never spent a day in an enemy prison, but was hidden away in a Saigon hotel with a line of hookers out th door, because his daddy was an admiral. There isn’t a Republican in America who isn’t a thief, liar, pervert or traitor, and the American people finally see that. Even Ron Paul is a liar, carry the R after his name even thpugh he’s a libertarian. the right is a festering pool of corruption and perversion, and LAFWH is a staunch member, most likely a pedophile.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:50 pmLooks like MA is back.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:52 pm… any Republican is going to be a loser this year, so throw McCain to
the dogs. He thinks he has been repaid, the Republican party gives up,
win win for all.
Comment by texaslady — February 9, 2008 @ 4:21 pm
until 2012…
but, it makes a whole lot of sense… i have to agree…
February 9th, 2008 at 4:52 pmand compliment of putting it so succinctly…
Bush needs to be hung.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:53 pmDarladoon - just get real, not suicidal. Money lots and lots of never ending money first blow up the country, then rebuild the country. A 70, 000,000 embassy in Bagdad that still is not habitable. Why just build it again, it is only the taxpayers money.
If you think those rolling in the big bucks consider the child with blown off arms or the mother raising fatherless children, not on your life. Their conscience is clear because there are layers between them and the destruction of life. Bush doesn’t even understand pain, nor does he care.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:54 pmyes, those EVIL Clintons with their 8 years of peace and prosperity, leaving behind a surplus and a healthy country. Good thing Bush put an end to that, with his losing wars, trashing the Constitution, flushing the economy, and destroying America’s moral standing in the world.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:55 pmThe funniest thing I saw at the CPAC meeting was a Secret Service agent in the audience when McCain was speaking.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:00 pmHis covert status was not blown by the fact he was watching the audience not the speaker or the ear bud or the lapel pin. What blew his cover was the fact he was the only black guy in the audience.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — February 9, 2008 @ 4:57 pm
Bush killed 3000 Americans on 9/11, and has killed 4000 more since. McCain is a traitor and a phony; Kerry was a decorated hero. McCain nickname among other POW’s is “songbird” becasue he spilled any time they looked at him funny. McCain was another mass muredering republican, dropping bombs from 5000 feet. He’s a piece of shit that will be flushed next year, like the rest of the republican waste and puke that you wallow in, LAFWH. You better sleep with one open; your kind is known as traitors.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:00 pm44 . Hitlery Clinton
Good description
February 9th, 2008 at 5:01 pmClinton left Bush with a recession and the worst attack ever on American soil. Bang up job he did!
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — February 9, 2008 @ 4:59 pm
the recession and attack will be Bush’s for the rest of history; it’s already written. you can deny reality to yourself, but you just look like a fool tool to sane people. thanks for 9/11, losers!
February 9th, 2008 at 5:02 pmMcCain is not going to win even if the Democrats nominate a corpse. The Republican party deciders will wait til the public’s memory of the last 8 years grows dim, they are smart enough to know most Americans would rather go without any President than a Republican.
You know maybe that is not a bad idea, do we really need a Federal government ? Maybe just let the states rule themselves. Might as well keep the corruption at local level.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:02 pmBush deserves to be hanged by the neck until dead. that’s not a terroristic threat, it’s a patriotic wish. he is the world’s leading terrorist, and he biggest coward to ever steal high office.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:03 pm* * * * *
THANK YOU, Congressman Robert Wexler!
* * * * *
February 9th, 2008 at 5:03 pmClinton had nothing to do with Enron, bush’s buddy who helped throw this nation into recession. And, more memos have come out to prove
February 9th, 2008 at 5:04 pmRichard Clark begged Rice and Bush to be aware of a imminent strike, which they both ignored.
Bush was in office for almost a year before his massive 9/11 failure, and its his alone. akthough he did have help from his “wife” Condi, a partner in incompetence.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:05 pmThe “war is good for the economy” is absolute bullshit. It’s good for a small percentage of those arms dealers and traitors that consider the deaths of American troops a small price to pay for their stock profits. Everybody else suffers, especially in an undeclared, illegal, immoral, losing occupation by a bunch of psychopaths who couldn’t defend the country when it WAS attacked.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:08 pmHuckabee was ignoring that his chance of winning the GOP nomination is slim…he countered by saying that “he did not major in math., but in miracles”.
May be Bush can use some of Huckabee’s miracles to get us out of Iraq…
February 9th, 2008 at 5:08 pmTO: ” I mostly am interested in if liberals will top “the terroristsâ€. Thanks for considering my idea and best-
Comment by dbadass”
What the hell are you even talking about lib wacko???? Try and write the answer in English that is understood by intelligent and well read people, ok.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:08 pm#44 - Which is of more value to you Party loyalty or loyalty to the country you are priviledge to live in ? Because bush and cheney have done everything possible to ruin this country and murder the loyal military who are dying bush/cheney war. When will you admit your party was wrong to allow this to happen ?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:11 pmLooks like MA is back.
Comment by VerbalKint — February 9, 2008 @ 4:52 pm
The Mad Amoeba’s back?
Finally a change from the Mr.Pee-brain, “dumb as a bag of hair” troll mentality to the hilariousness of the purely insane.
Oh, joy……
February 9th, 2008 at 5:15 pmTry and write the answer in English that is understood by intelligent and well read people, ok.
Comment by John Kerry — February 9, 2008 @ 5:08 pm
so everybody understands it perfectly except you? Are you really that big an idiot? Oh, stupid question, of course you are, you’re a rightard wingnut with no brain.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:17 pmWhat the hell are you even talking about lib wacko???? Try and write the answer in English that is understood by intelligent and well read people, ok.
Comment by John Kerry — February 9, 2008 @ 5:08 pm
Okay. Tell me when you are ready
February 9th, 2008 at 5:20 pmOkay. Tell me when you are ready
Comment by dbadass — February 9, 2008 @ 5:20 pm
Jesus, don’t hold your breath. They haven’t perfected a brain transplant yet.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:20 pmMcCain/Huckabee wow thats a ticket we need, wonder what country McCain can decide to invade, Canada ? All the while the V.P. is talking to God for approval. I would have voted for McCain before he started selling out to bush.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:22 pmComment by delafield — February 9, 2008 @ 5:05 pm
I posted this on another thread, but looks like it deserves another post here.
———————-
“The deliberate betrayal of its trust by the Republican party, the fatal incapacity of the Democratic party to deal with the new issues of the new time, have compelled the people to forge a new instrument of government through which to give effect to their will in laws and institutions.â€
“Who were the Progressives”
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAprogressive.htm
“To destroy this invisible Government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.†- 1912 Progressive Party Platform, attributed to Theodore Roosevelt and quoted again in his autobiography where he connects Trusts and monopolies (sugar interests, Standard Oil, etc.) to Woodrow Wilson and Howard Taft, and consequently both major political parties.
From Theodore Roosevelt: An Intimate Biography, Chapter XXII, pp. 25–31. (1919) — William Roscoe Thayer
Funny how things seem the same. Almost exactly the same.
Maybe trying a real Progressive Party again and not giving up on it, maybe we can actually change things.
For now, lets get the Republicans out first. We already know they have the “Midas Touch of Sh!t†and we cannot afford 4 more years of it.
If the Democrats are as ineffective as they have been the last 8 years (not just the disappointing last 2), its time for a voter rebellion and forming a new party. It has not always been Republican vs Democrat though out our history. After that, kick them all out, Republican and Democrat. If the Parties cannot listen to the people, then they no longer deserve our votes or support.
There are very few Democrats that I still respect at this point, and no Republicans.
My message to the DNC Leadership, do the right thing, or imperil your own Party.
I have had enough, and I am fairly sure a healthy chunk of America has as well.
I will remember the last 8 years, for the corruption and the spinelessness of it all has been burned into my mind.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:24 pmWe are not all as stupid as you wish we were.
Bush killed 3000 Americans on 9/11, and has killed 4000 more since.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — February 9, 2008 @ 5:00 pm
And nearly 2000 during Katrina.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:26 pmif clinton left bush a recession AND a terrorist attack, then why weren’t republicans warning the country of both when bush took office?
i don’t remember hearing anything about either a recession or an attack when bush took office.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:27 pmIt all just makes you want to puke. There has been no leadership to date in the real war on terror and Romney is cock-sure that both Obama and Clinton will “surrender to the terrorists”.
Iraq wasn’t the home of terrorists. Saddam took care of that. Yes, terrorists filtered in following the American war and occupation in Iraq but that is completely separate from the surrender to the terrorists that Bush has done and was so well documented in this article.
The fact that Bush was more interested in fishing than taking action against al Qaeda when given “hair is on fire” warnings prior to 9/11 is all so telling. And Tora Bora is completely inexcusable.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:27 pmThe backslapping by the Dems over the stimulas package said it all. Who in their right mind thinks a few hundred dollars is going to save a home, or feed their children. Maybe put gas in the tank for a week or so. Could have used this money for food stamps, raising the income level, could have used this money for the schools, so teachers can quit buying supplies out of their own money. But oh no, Dems and Repubs throw a couple of hundred out and want us to dance in delight. What a load of horse manure !
February 9th, 2008 at 5:28 pmDarladoon - do some reading…hit a library now and then and educate yourself. Even bush’s minions told about trying to reach him at his ranch because of an imminent attack, possible by airliners. You didn’t hear the meltdown of Enron during that summer? Or the rippling of other companies laying off ? Where were you, Kennebunkport ?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:31 pmBush killed 3000 Americans on 9/11, and has killed 4000 more since.
bush hasn’t killed anyone. for your information.
if you want to say that his policies have created the conditions in which death occurred, then sure. but he didn’t actually kill anyone.
if you say he did, then you won’t get very far in convincing his supporters that they were wrong in voting for him. for your information.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:31 pmDarladoon - do some reading…hit a library now and then and educate yourself.
i honestly don’t know what your point is. can you tell me your point?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:32 pmThere’s a simple reason that we let OBL slide at Tora Bora. We invaded Iraq under the concept that Saddam had WMD and that there was a OBL/Saddam connection. This has been strictly a war on fear and nothing else. Throughout the State Of The Union Addresses, the boogyman OBL has been needed to calm the peasants. Had we taken OBL at Tora Bora, people would have demanded our troops return home. From a Bush/Cheney perspective, we all know we couldn’t have that now don’t we?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:33 pmf you say he did, then you won’t get very far in convincing his supporters that they were wrong in voting for him. for your information.
Comment by darladoon — February 9, 2008 @ 5:31 pm
sorry, the buck stops at Bush’s desk. he is a murderer, active and passive. I’m not interested in convincing his supporters they were wrong in voting for him; most of them already know it, and the remaining handful are batshit crazy traitors.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:35 pmComment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:36 pm
you’re nopt goping to get any credibility quoting a wingnut website’s take on a rightard liar, pat2.
pat this.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:37 pm“Lefty Patriot†seems to need medication.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:38 pm
pat2 needs a brain.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:38 pmWhat is worse, a projection was played out for Rumsfeldt and Cheney of airliners attacking high rises just as a projection was done of levees breaking prior to Katrina. Either case, our administration did nothing.
And some journalists who try to inform the public are punished and held in contempt for not giving out their informates names.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:39 pmbush hasn’t killed anyone. for your information.
if you want to say that his policies have created the conditions in which death occurred, then sure. but he didn’t actually kill anyone.
if you say he did, then you won’t get very far in convincing his supporters that they were wrong in voting for him. for your information.
Comment by darladoon — February 9, 2008 @ 5:31 pm
Sure he did, through his ignoring warnings that could have prevented the 911 attacks, and subsequently ignoring both the intelligence community and facts that would have avoided invading Iraq. Both sets of deaths are a DIRECT RESULT of bush’s actions, therefore he is at least PARTIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR DEATHS! Why don’t you shove Ron Paul or Nader up your *ss and grow up you green party TARD!
February 9th, 2008 at 5:39 pmThe intellectual level of a 4 year old, or a Democrat, same thing.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:39 pm
who, you? You’re not as smart as a 4-year-old. you must be a republican.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:41 pmThe Clinton years were the greatest years America had seen in the 20th century. The Clintons had a 70% approval rating when they left office. I miss peace and prosperity, the Clintons, and the Clinton years.
Comment by delafield — February 9, 2008 @ 5:35 pm
Clinton also caved to corporate interests. NAFTA, DMCA, finishing Reagan’s deregulation of the Media, cutting welfare, etc, etc. Yes, he did a good job, when he was not being a corporate whore.
I call it like it is. Anyone that wants my vote has to earn it.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:42 pmBy their works, you will know them.
#82 = nuts
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:41 pm
#84=irrelevant. the GOP is dead and buried; pat2 has nothing. Bush is responsible for almost a million unnecessary deaths. He is the wrold’s #1 terrorist. congratulations on supporting a sociopathic mass-murderer.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:43 pmif you say he did, then you won’t get very far in convincing his supporters that they were wrong in voting for him. for your information.
Comment by darladoon — February 9, 2008 @ 5:31 pm
Why would we want the dead-enders that still support him on our side? They’re a lost cause.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:43 pmI’m rubber, and you’re glue…
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:42 pm
Good, nice response for a 2-year-old.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:44 pmi know you are but what am i
STOP IT.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:44 pm#73- Don’t forget about July or August of 2007 armed drones had Osama in sight and no order to shoot would be given. Kinda backs your Tora Bora claim. A) bush’s bailout buddies are relatives of Osama and B) reason to be in Iraq gone.
There was a small handful of terriosts in Afganistan, then we left invaded Iraq and a whole country is wanting to kill us now. Which I would be too if someone invaded this country. And of course now Afganistan is heating up because we didn’t finish what we started .
February 9th, 2008 at 5:44 pmDarladoon - you might want to google Northwoods project. Tells alot of how to cow a population into doing what the government wants them to do.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:45 pmhe is a murderer, active and passive.
now can you PROVE, without a doubt, that he is an “active murderer”?
this ought to be interesting…..
oh, and according to “repubicans hate facts,” the facts are there to bolster the case that bush is, without doubt, a murderer.
republicans hate facts throws venom at anyone with whom he disagrees.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:46 pm“bush hasn’t killed anyone. for your information.”
Comment by darladoon
A thin, semantic reed. In court, one can be charged with negligent homicide for not taking prudent steps to protect. In this context, the defendant would rightfully be said to have killed the victim. The same can be said of Bush’s decision at the time to focus on missile defense instead of terrorism. His negligent decision caused 9/11. He is guilty of homicide, not murder, but he killed them all the same.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:47 pmrightards like pat2 have never gotten over the fact that historically, democrats always govern more effectively, and are the model that he founding fathers had in mind when they created a Liberal Democratic Republic. There is no place in the USA for coward conservatives, they prove that every chance they get. America is weaker now than it ever has been, less repected, an international joke, a pariah, looked upon as a terrorist nation beholden to Saudi Arabia and Israel. Allbecause conservatives have such poor self-esteem they have to prove themselves by stealing money any way they can, even if it means the deaths of thousands of Americans.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:47 pmDarladoon - you might want to google Northwoods project. Tells alot of how to cow a population into doing what the government wants them to do.
gee thanks, i’ll just assume everything on that site is…….the truth.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:47 pmLooks patrick1 has finally slunk back in.
The combined IQ of the trolls has just slipped into the negatives.
Just flag the idiot to get it re-banned.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:48 pmdbadass
STILL WAITING genius!!!
February 9th, 2008 at 5:48 pmHis negligent decision caused 9/11
so can we go after clinton for putting sanctions on iraq?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:49 pmIf you don’t count impeachment for lying under oath, the attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, the bombing of Khobar Towers, the African embassy bombings, the attack on the USS Cole, the planning of 9/11…
Other than that, Clinton was basically a placeholder president.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:45 pm
Compared to Bush’s presidency, we were in relative peace; the world was in relative peace.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:49 pmComment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:47 pm
I understand your deep denial, pat2, I’d be embarrassed as hell if Bush were my president. I would not want the murder of a million on my conscience either, although Bush doesn’t care, having had his conscience destroyed by his sociopathic parents. But you keep on denying the facts that history is recording for all time if you like. It just makes you all the more pitiful.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:50 pmMy message to the DNC Leadership, do the right thing, or imperil your own Party. I have had enough, and I am fairly sure a healthy chunk of America has as well.
I will remember the last 8 years, for the corruption and the spinelessness of it all has been burned into my mind.
We are not all as stupid as you wish we were.
Comment by Wayne — February 9, 2008 @ 5:24 pm
see… that’s what good ol’ ralph should’ve been helping with,
all these years… instead of jumping into the picture every 4 years
as a spoiler…
tell you what, wayne… if this next batch of dems - and there SHOULD
February 9th, 2008 at 5:51 pmbe plenty of them - coming in to d.c. don’t make a decent start on
cleaning up the mess, i’m with you on working for another progressive party… the roosevelt example above is inspiring…
#93 - Don’t forget the planner of the WTC 93 was caught and is in prison. And impeachment didn’t happen, lack of votes. Lying under oath, well lets count cheney and bush. How about more signing statements than any other president. How about trying to sell our Ports to Dubai, who harbored Osama.
Have you ever asked why did anyone even care about Clintons consensual sex ? Why was it even a question? Sure didn’t have anything to do with running the government.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:51 pm“barfly is at least as responsible for 9/11 as President Bush.”
Comment by Pat2 —
Now there’s the debating style we have come to know from “conservatives.”
A little bully, just like his idol.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:51 pm“The Democrats are fascistic opposites of the Founders.”
Comment by Pat2
Please explain.
Make it believeable.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:52 pmso can we go after clinton for putting sanctions on iraq?
Comment by darladoon — February 9, 2008 @ 5:49 pm
Go right ahead if you want to.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:53 pmOther than that, Clinton was basically a placeholder president.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:45 pm
a placeholder president that grew the economy more than any other president, before of since, and whose impeachmetn was maeningless, since there was no conviction. Ronald Reagan, now there was a placehjolder president, cutting and running from lebanon after sending nearly 330 marines to their deaths. And you hate it, i know, but the 1993 WTC bombers are all in prison. What a bad president, to capture our enemies and jail them. Too bad Bushie is too beholden to the Bin laden family to do the same thing.
You are very stupid, even for a 2-year-old.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:53 pmThe Democrats are fascistic opposites of the Founders.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:50 pm
The founders were Democrats, you idiot. Homeschooled, right?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:54 pmI mimic barfly’s pathetic “debating style†and he/she can’t take it. L
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:54 pm
Well, we already know you have no original ideas.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:54 pmdbadass
STILL WAITING genius!!!
Comment by John Kerry — February 9, 2008 @ 5:48 pm
Did you get those shoes tied yet?
I would offer to have a battle of wits with you, but you appear unarmed.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:54 pm#105 - The Founders put into place checks and balances for running a government. This administration has done everything possible to destroy any checks and balances. And that is just the begining, this administration has drained any accountability for Environment, Land Management, our social plans. What is left of our Constituition that your leader said, was only a piece of paper?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:54 pmIt will take years and years to rebuild what this administration had destroyed in 8 years.
By your demented standard, FDR was the worst president ever.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:52 pm
That’s crazy because everyone knows (excluding the dead-enders) that Bush is the worst president ever.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:55 pmBy your demented standard, FDR was the worst president ever.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:52 pm
Yes, FDR should never have invaded Germany for no reason.
Keep it up, you’re showing all the weaknesses of the rightard lack of intelligence.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:55 pmRonald Reagan, now there was a placehjolder president, cutting and running from lebanon after sending nearly 330 marines to their deaths.
this is a very, very poor argument if you are against the iraq war. according to most liberals, reagan’s decision was a good one.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:56 pmIs it any wonder the conservative carrion flies have arrived? They are looking for a fresh meal, now that the movement has been picked clean.
Where’s the Raid?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:56 pmThe Democrats are fascistic opposites of the Founders.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:50 pm
That would be the current crop of republicans, not Democrats.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:56 pmaccording to most liberals, reagan’s decision was a good one.
Comment by darladoon — February 9, 2008 @ 5:56 pm
Which decision? The one to send the Marines to their deaths, or the one to do nothing about it? And where do you get the “most liberals” thing?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:58 pmthis is a very, very poor argument if you are against the iraq war. according to most liberals, reagan’s decision was a good one.
Comment by darladoon
Which one? Putting them there in the first place? Or taking them out?(some in bodybags)
February 9th, 2008 at 5:58 pmYour ability to regurgitate meaningless nutroots talking points is indeed impressive.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:57 pm
a distant second to yours, however. At least hers aren’t outright lies, like the crap you spew from wingnut talkin points.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:58 pmif you want to say that his policies have created the conditions in which death occurred, then sure. but he didn’t actually kill anyone.
Comment by darladoon — February 9, 2008 @ 5:31 pm
Out of curiosity, how many people do you believe Hitler killed? How about bin Laden?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:58 pmBaked any bible-shaped cakes lately, Pat?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:59 pmDarladoon - hey you asked, just telling your where to look up theories. And you asked if bush had notification of attacks, he and condi admit they had info but shrugged it off. Wonder how you would feel knowing your family member died because your government would not take a head CIA memo seriously.
So, projections played out in the Pentagon, but hell who would think hijackers would use airplanes into highrises. Well someone sure did.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:00 pmNeither the president nor the vice president has lied under oath or otherwise.
“Why was it even a question?â€
Becasue the Demcorats made it an issue; Clinton himself signed the sexual harassment law that made it an issue.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:56 pm
that’s pretty good. neither the president nor the vixe-president will take an oath, because they are natural-born liars, and will be caught, so that’s some claim you’ve made for them. they lie every day, repeatedly. Clinton was found innocent, and never prosecuted beyong the repuke witchunt, so you are a liar, not him.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:01 pmBecasue the Demcorats made it an issue; Clinton himself signed the sexual harassment law that made it an issue.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:56 pm
Republicans are sexually repressed and that’s why they dug into Clinton’s sex life.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:02 pmPat 2 - my nutroots ideas have come from articles this government has allowed to be accessed through Freedom of Information. Still nutroot ?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:02 pmSimilarly, calling the Republicans fascist (a form of socialism) is ludicrous.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:00 pm
it’s amazing how rightards are so proud of their ignorance that theuy will conflate fascism with socialism, without any understanding of the meaning of either word. What a dolt you are.
and over 800 historians have gone on record as stating that Bush is the worst president in American history. and many more will join that list as the years go by. he has accomplished nothing positive for America. Thanks for 9/11, repigs!
February 9th, 2008 at 6:03 pm“No one should be surprised to see such rank bigotry on this website.”
Comment by Pat2 —
What are you talking about?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:03 pmSorry but sexual harrassment is when one party doesn’t want the attention. Consensual sex does not come under that.
Also the Republicans were searching high and low for anything to discredit Clinton. Was Clinton stupid to let his little head do the thinking hell yes, was he good in running the government you had better believe it. There were jobs under his Presidency.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:04 pm“You mean when the head of CIA said it was a “slam dunk†that Saddam was developing WMD, including nukes?”
Except that Tenet denies ever saying it.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:05 pmYou mean when the head of CIA said it was a “slam dunk†that Saddam was developing WMD, including nukes? So you agree, Bush was obligated to act on that assessment?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:03 pm
you still buy that story, when it is now fact that Bush instructed him to say that? Please, are you that thick and foolish? Bush lied, a million died. Everybody knew there were no WMD left in Iraq. I knew. You knew. Bush is a liar, and his insistence that there were WMD was the proof that there weren’t any.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:05 pmBy no objective measure can any reasonable person conclude that President Bush is the worst president ever. That’s ludicrous.
He’s the worst president in history, bar none.
Similarly, calling the Republicans fascist (a form of socialism) is ludicrous.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:00 pm
Fascism consists of authoritarianism, militarism and jingoism. That’s your guys.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:05 pmThis is just idiotic to the core: “Republicans are sexually repressed and that’s why they dug into Clinton’s sex life.â€
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:04 pm
you’re right, it is idiotic for Republicans to be sexually repressed, but, hey, they’re idiots, what can you do?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:06 pmOver 80trillion historians have gone on records as stating Bush is the best leader in the universe!
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:05 pm
the problem is, I can prove my claim, and you just look like a 2-year-old having a tantrum.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:07 pmRonald Reagan, now there was a placehjolder president, cutting and running from lebanon after sending nearly 330 marines to their deaths.
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this is a very, very poor argument if you are against the iraq war. according to most liberals, reagan’s decision was a good one.
Comment by darladoon — February 9, 2008 @ 5:56 pm
It wasn’t. When he caved on a peacekeeping mission, with the UN, he caved to terrorists giving the rest of Lebanon to the wolves and it has been the toy Israel and Syria have been pulling the legs off of ever since.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:07 pm136 - Guess you haven’t been apprised that Cheney and Scooter were daily visitors hounding for verification of WMDs. The march to war with Iraq was there on Bush’s desk from day one. Bush had to be better than daddy. Bush went with the info he wanted without vetting it as he should. Did Dems vote for it, sure, again for political reasons doesn’t make them angels.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:07 pmThis is just idiotic to the core: “Republicans are sexually repressed and that’s why they dug into Clinton’s sex life.â€
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:04 pm
Republicans are sexually repressed. They’re always concerned about what people do in their bedrooms.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:07 pmSo you agree, Bush was obligated to act on that assessment?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:03 pm
yes, he was, by letting the UN inspectors finish the job, but he wouldn’t, because he knew he was lying, and didn’t want the world to see it, even though everybody knew he was a liar from birth.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:08 pmUh could you name one of the 80 trillion historians that say bush is the best ? Just curious. Especially when even his ardant aides are saying “Kerry was right”. That would be Matthew Dowd.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:08 pmThe intellectual level of a 4 year old, or a Democrat, same thing.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:39 pm
Is that you, Jonah Goldberg?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:09 pmLefty (un)Patriot,
I can make up facts just like you!: Over 80trillion historians have gone on records as stating Bush is the best leader in the universe!
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:05 pm
The only one making up facts is you.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:09 pmRepublicans are sexually repressed. They’re always concerned about what people do in their bedrooms.
Comment by Nat — February 9, 2008 @ 6:07 pm
They’re also extremely unattractive, and can’t get laid without a fistful of 50s. that’s one of the main reasons they hated Clinton: pure jealousy.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:10 pmTenet has not denied saying that. he has confirmed that he told the president he was certain Iraq had WMD before the invasion. barfly is not just a bigot, he’s also a liar. Par for the course on this hate site.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:09 pm
Tenet has denied saying that. You can’t keep up, can you? And Clinton was wrongfully questioned, and the case was thrown out. You are a tool.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:11 pmPat - since you don’t know me, baseless judgement not qualified. And again, consensual sex is not harrassment - stupid but not harrassment.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:11 pmFascism is a form of socialism.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:11 pm
Fascism is corporatism, having nothing to do with socialism. Your stupidity is deep.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:12 pmbut how can you prove what collectively and deliberately motivates all these military/industrial interests?
conspiracy theories are dangerous in this regard. might as well stick with what we know, rather than guess.
It doesn’t require a conspiracy or collusion on a grand scale. it requires a kind of group-think among industrial/corporate heads who agree with the concept of projecting american force around the world–that the ends of Freedom are justified by the means of Force. Then as is the case with this administration, all that is needed is the state to sanction or allow action that benefits that segment of american industrial/corporate power. When Bush 41 drove Saddam out of Kuwait part of why Hussein’s regime wasn’t toppled by an american-led coalition or why the US didn’t aid the shia uprising that was crushed by Saddam after Operation Desert Storm was because keeping Saddam Hussein around as a threat to regional stability in a box would justify arm sales to all of Iraq’s neighbors.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:12 pmThere are so many obstacles in the way of finding proof; chief among them is a corporate news media that is bought and paid-for by those same powers that prevent the public from easy access to the information. The most pernicious aspect of american empire is that it was created in secret, even though some aspects of it like a “my-country-right-or- wrong” attitude evolved right in front of our eyes; our excessive basing of troops all over the globe, the training, aiding and supporting of hostile un-democratic regimes and genocidal tyrants has happened far away from the public’s awareness.
I can make up nonsense, just like Nat!
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:11 pm
No shit! You’re an expert at making up nonsense, thanks for admitting it.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:13 pmThe law Clinton himself signed allowed defendants in sexual harassment suits to be questioned about other workplace relationships. Clinton lied under oath in that context.
The republicans went after him because of their sexual repression.
Tenet has not denied saying that. he has confirmed that he told the president he was certain Iraq had WMD before the invasion. barfly is not just a bigot, he’s also a liar. Par for the course on this hate site.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:09 pm
He also delivered a report that said Iraq may not have WMDs and the White House dismissed it.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:13 pmPat just keep on the subject which is bush and his qualifications as president. Hillary isn’t the subject now is she?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:14 pmCan you tell me one thing Hillary Clinton has accomplished?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:12 pm
US senator isn’t any accomplishment, right? What an idiot pat2 is.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:14 pmaula Jones, the plaintiff, did not consent.
And the case was thrown out, because she was a liar. You have nothing, again.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:15 pmAnd I am still waiting for a name of one of the 80 trillion historians who think bush is the greatest. Are you aware it cost $25,000 an hour to protect your president when he traveled last month ? I guess because he is so admired Internationally.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:16 pmCan you tell me one thing Hillary Clinton has accomplished?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:12 pm
She has single-handedly driven republicans insane.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:16 pmThen he lied under oath.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:14 pm
and yet, wasn’t convicted. therefore, he didn’t lie under oath.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:16 pmFascism is a form of socialism.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:11 pm
If it isn’t Goldberg, it is one of his aficionados. I am reminded of a hilarious incident in which an anonymous person posted a series of comments at Slate that were so suspicious that Slate’s Fray editor virtually called it out as Goldberg masquerading as a Goldberg fan. It was Goldberg pretending to be a college professor praising Goldberg’s “scholarship”. It was pathetic.
Tim Noah wrote a great review of Goldberg’s book. Noah gave it a real trashing. Goldberg, always a thin-skinned punk, wrote something pathetic and ridiculous in response, of course, and Noah shredded that, too. Poor Jonah. He is a world class pussy who wouldn’t pay off his bet with Juan Cole.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:16 pmShe has single-handedly driven republicans insane.
Comment by Nat — February 9, 2008 @ 6:16 pm
short drive, let’s face it. look at pat2, for instance. that’s one nutty fruitcake.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:17 pm“She has single-handedly driven republicans insane.”
Comment by Nat —
With the help of a certain oxycontin-fueled bigot…
February 9th, 2008 at 6:18 pmso Bush was obligated to act on that assessment.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:17 pm
No, he wasn’t.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:18 pm“The consensus view of the intel community was that Iraq had WMD,”
Operative word, “had.”
February 9th, 2008 at 6:19 pmI can make up nonsense, just like Nat!: “Nat is sexually repressedâ€
Fascism is a form of socialism.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:11 pm
Fascism is represented by the current crop of republicans. Both Hitler and Mussolini are in envy of the current republican party.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:19 pmI think this “Pat2″ is “USA_Patriot”, w/ a new ISP address.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:20 pmhe consensus view of the intel community was that Iraq had WMD, so Bush was obligated to act on that assessment.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:17 pm
bullshit, as usual. Bush didn’t wait until the evidence was in, because he knew he was wrong. You can argue this all you want, but there were no WMD found, anywhere. That pretty much makes you the goat, and totally wrong, and explains why Bush is the worst president in US history. A slam-dunk, for sure. No WMD, none, zero. Careers ruined, a million dead, all for a liar with a tiny dick and a miserable whore for a mother, and a wimp failure for a father. The Bush family is a catastrophe, and completely unAmerican.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:21 pmThe consensus view of the intel community was that Iraq had WMD, so Bush was obligated to act on that assessment.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6: