Romney’s Fearmongering Speech Ignores Bush’s History Of Retreats In War On Terror
Romney’s Fearmongering Speech Ignores Bush’s History Of Retreats In War On Terror
Announcing the suspension of his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney suggested he was bowing out to help strengthen Republican chances at winning in November. He said that mattered, in part, because, “Barack and Hillary have made their intentions clear regarding Iraq and the war on terror. They would retreat, declare defeat.”
Romney’s remarks ignored the conservative record of retreats in the fight against global terrorism. The decision not to pursue Osama bin Laden at Tora Bora in 2002 is the most well-known retreat.
[Brig. Gen. James N. Mattis] argued strongly that he should be permitted to proceed to the Tora Bora caves. The general was turned down. An American intelligence official told me that the Bush administration later concluded that the refusal of Centcom to dispatch the marines — along with their failure to commit U.S. ground forces to Afghanistan generally — was the gravest error of the war.
And bin Laden remains free to this day. But there are several other retreats. As both the Wall Street Journal and NBC News reported, President Bush three times turned down opportunities to take out Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, when the Pentagon specifically requested permission to do so. The reason?
“People were more obsessed with developing the coalition to overthrow Saddam than to execute the president’s policy of preemption against terrorists,” according to terrorism expert and former National Security Council member Roger Cressey.
This past October, the local mastermind of the Cole bombing, Jamal al-Badawi, was allowed to remain free in Yemen after pledging his allegiance to that nation’s president, whom the Bush administration also calls an ally. The White House has expressed disappointment, but has done little else to avoid countenancing an effective safe haven for the murderer of 17 U.S. sailors.
Nor is Yemen the only terrorist safe haven overseen by an ally of President Bush. When Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf struck a truce with tribal militants in the Waziristan region of his country, Bush not only declined to protest, he supported this truce.
Moreover, Bush’s inattention to al Qaeda before 9/11 proved extremely costly. In the summer of 2001, the NSA knew that America’s lack of retaliation for the Cole bombing had led bin Laden to plan “something so big now that the US will have to respond.”
– Tom
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February 9th, 2008 at 3:30 pmAlert. Hyper-projection event in comment #2. Dispatch truth squads and employ standard cleanup procedures.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:36 pmComment by John Kerry — February 9, 2008 @ 3:31 pm
Good afternnon John Kerry. I have been wondering if you don't mind would you be willing to post a list of the top 5 groups you hate/fear/wish to destroy the most and why? I think it might be interesting to us all. I mostly am interested in if liberals will top "the terrorists". Thanks for considering my idea and best-
February 9th, 2008 at 3:42 pmComment by John Kerry — February 9, 2008 @ 3:31 pm
If you really had a brain, you might actually be able to tie your own shoes
February 9th, 2008 at 3:43 pmIraqi groups 'withdraw' US support
Sunni armed groups known as Awakening Councils appear to have withdrawn their support for US forces and the Iraqi government in Diyala province.
The move has been seen as a significant blow to the US, which has hailed the groups' work in securing towns and neighbourhoods as a rare success in increasing security in the country.
http://english.aljazeera.net/English
February 9th, 2008 at 3:47 pm100 year McCain
will lose the election
February 9th, 2008 at 3:48 pmin order to maintain our empire and our militarized economy we need to have an enemy.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:50 pmthere can be military successes now and then but the goal is not peace, the goal is for the war to go on so that industry can fuel it.
that's why Dubya's take on bin Laden started as "wanted dead or alive" but had to morph into "i really don't think about him that much"
Osama bin Laden had to be allowed to escape so that the inspiration and mouthpiece of their "Islamofascist" enemy was still out there, threatening and looming large. Only then could their stance of hard on terror and soft on civil rights make sense to the frightened population.
It was very under-reported, of course, but we let the fiercest of our enemies go. If that was not to insure the GWOT would continue then why would our government allow it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_BS83BmTIQ
#2 Nobody, including yourself as you admitted, likes McCain and no one can get the emotion terror to sign a surrender agreement on the deck of the USS Mission Accomplished.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:51 pmIt's a perpetual Orwellian war McCain wants to continue for 50 perhaps 100 years.
Russia seems set to write off all but about $1 billion of Iraq's $13 bn. debt to Moscow. This step is a loss leader, and in return Russian oil firms are going to do very well in new bids let over the next few years. The Russians had commitments from Saddam to develop the West Qurna fields, and that is still a possibility. After all, there is a lot more than $12 bn. to be made in the Iraq hydrocarbon fields. China forgave $8 bn. in loans last summer and already the Iraqis are saying that it would make sense for China to develop the al-Ahdab fields.
Talks with Western oil majors, including Exxon-Mobil and Chevron on technical service agreements are set to resume in March. Hat tip to the invaluable Iraq Oil Report.
HA HA HA All America is getting is service contract
http://www.juancole.com/
BUSH LOST ALL THAT OIL ............... ha ha ha ha
what a loser bush is
February 9th, 2008 at 3:53 pmCorrect me if I'm wrong, but as the wrong wing understands the term, didn't Romney just essentially "cut-and-run" from his campaign this week?
Why would any God-fearing wrong-winger listen to anything said by a notorious cut-and-runner?
February 9th, 2008 at 3:56 pmexcellent post.
and i think romney was fetching for anything to justify his "tragic" collapse.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:57 pmthere can be military successes now and then but the goal is not peace, the goal is for the war to go on so that industry can fuel it.
that’s why Dubya’s take on bin Laden started as “wanted dead or alive†but had to morph into “i really don’t think about him that muchâ€
Osama bin Laden had to be allowed to escape so that the inspiration and mouthpiece of their “Islamofascist†enemy was still out there, threatening and looming large. Only then could their stance of hard on terror and soft on civil rights make sense to the frightened population.
i'm not so sure this is the case, and in any case, you can't provide evidence. and don't get me wrong, i wish your statements were true.
but how can you prove what collectively and deliberately motivates all these military/industrial interests?
conspiracy theories are dangerous in this regard. might as well stick with what we know, rather than guess.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:00 pmCheck this
Looks like Bad new for America
http://iraqoilreport.com/
February 9th, 2008 at 4:01 pmthere can be military successes now and then but the goal is not peace, the goal is for the war to go on so that industry can fuel it.
that’s why Dubya’s take on bin Laden started as “wanted dead or alive†but had to morph into “i really don’t think about him that muchâ€
Osama bin Laden had to be allowed to escape so that the inspiration and mouthpiece of their “Islamofascist†enemy was still out there, threatening and looming large. Only then could their stance of hard on terror and soft on civil rights make sense to the frightened population.
The thing is its illegal in most countries to have a foreign debt not held in gold reserves................... As where America needs weapons sales because it holds NO GOLD in federal reserves ........just a useless piece of paper called the Dollar and FUTURE weapons sales
go back to holding Gold reserves and the world will be a lot safer without your weapons
To make money through weapons sales you HAVE to start meaningless wars
February 9th, 2008 at 4:05 pm#2
A true example of a mental defective, any troll that takes on the ID of someone it hates is obviously much more at home in the shallow end of the gene pool
But hey, you keep reaching for the stars lil' trooper, you're doing the GOP so proud with your efforts
February 9th, 2008 at 4:10 pmU.S.-backed Sunni tribesmen shut their offices and rallied in Baqouba's streets Saturday,
February 9th, 2008 at 4:10 pmin a New poll
Obama leads McCain by 8 points, 52 percent to 44 percent
Clinton lead McCain 50 percent to 47 percent.
VOTE OBAMA SO HE CAN RIP McCAIN TO BITS ON A ONE TO ONE
February 9th, 2008 at 4:16 pmVOTE OBAMA SO HE CAN RIP McCAIN TO BITS ON A ONE TO ONE
Comment by Bush Cover Ups — February 9, 2008 @ 4:16 pm
Donald Trump's toupee can rip mccain to bits.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:18 pmbut how can you prove what collectively and deliberately motivates all these military/industrial interests?
Comment by darladoon — February 9, 2008 @ 4:00 pm
According to NPR....Stock in Lockheed Martin, America's largest defense contractor, that was worth $3000 on Sept. 10, 2001, is NOW worth close to $10,000. Coincidence???
February 9th, 2008 at 4:19 pmMcCain has been "given" the nominee choice for giving in to Bush back in 2000. The powers that be are aware that any Republican is going to be a loser this year, so throw McCain to the dogs. He thinks he has been repaid, the Republican party gives up, win win for all.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:21 pmLibs are notorious for being cowards and cut and runners.
Comment by John K
Examples of cutting and running include.......
I don’t like Mc Cain but at least he will work to DEFEAT (you libs sure know what that word means don’t you!) the terrorists.
Comment by John K
In DEFEAT, you mean in what the Democratic Party did to the Republicans in 2006? And what they are going to do to McCain in November?
And could you explain to me how a Shia-dominated Iraq with a Shia-majority government backed by Shia militias will allow a minor Sunni terrorist group full of foreigners take over the country.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:25 pmFBI spawns 'shoot-to-kill' citizens
Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:49:18
The FBI reportedly launches a clandestine alliance which prepares privileged citizens to 'shoot to kill' without possibility of prosecution.
An alliance dubbed the 'InfraGard', which reportedly consists of over 23,000 representatives of the US' private sector in addition to the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, is engaged in secret activities to maintain elements of 'critical national infrastructure'.
According to a February 7 article published in the Progressive magazine, these businessmen impart vital information to the FBI in return for secret intelligence about 'terrorist threats' prior to informing the pubic and perhaps even government officials.
"One business owner in the United States tells me that InfraGard members are being advised on how to prepare for a martial law situation-and what their role might be," author Matthew Rothschild quoted a whistleblower as saying.
"Then they said when-not if-martial law is declared, it was our responsibility to protect our portion of the infrastructure, and if we had to use deadly force to protect it, we couldn't be prosecuted," the informant claimed.
The report added that a business executive who had an InfraGard card said the organization's activities are to such an extent that they even have permission to 'shoot to kill'.
By 'infrastructure' he was referring to such sectors as agriculture, defense, energy, food, information, telecommunications, law enforcement, public health, transportation, the banking and finance sectors as well as the chemical industry in which InfraGard members are believed to be most active.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:26 pmJust a dirtbag rethug sucking up to the adored leader. Americans know the abject failure of this farce of a war on terrrrr...
February 9th, 2008 at 4:27 pmThe only equivalent example of the incredible political gutlessness and opportunism that Romney showed might be the James Gregory character in "The Manchurian Candidate." In terms of his total lack of class, he's close to Nixon's 1962 meltdown. Mitt, you are a whore.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:28 pmBush needs to confine his comments to CPAC they are the only ones who want to hear him.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:29 pmAccording to NPR….Stock in Lockheed Martin, America’s largest defense contractor, that was worth $3000 on Sept. 10, 2001, is NOW worth close to $10,000. Coincidence???
that's your evidence? because lockheed stock is high, that means certain individuals consciously or subconsciously desire war?
you're onto something here. go on.....
February 9th, 2008 at 4:30 pmMy apologies, This is completely off topic but thought it deserved some attention.
Dear XXXXX,
Our Constitution is under threat and the most basic principle of checks and balances is being undermined. Not since Watergate has a president so openly disregarded the will of Congress.
During hearings in the Judiciary Committee yesterday, I told Attorney General Michael Mukasey that I called for impeachment hearings because of the stonewalling and blatant abuses of the Bush Administration. He responded by stating that he will NOT enforce a contempt of Congress citation against Harriet Miers and White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten for refusing to testify before Congress. The video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7M9sjRLCtQ
Alberto Gonzales may be long gone, but the Bush Administration continues its executive overreach with the new Attorney General.
We can debate the need for Impeachment hearings. We can argue its effects on the election or our agenda. But one thing is abundantly clear:
If Congress' right to require testimony is undermined, then our country's leaders - Democrat, Republican, or Independent - will be immune from accountability.
The power of the subpoena - to call officials before us - is one of the most fundamental safeguards in our system of government. To have it effectively discarded - by virtue of the President instructing Administration officials to ignore a congressional subpoenas and not even appear before Congress - is unprecedented. The idea that the Attorney General would willingly defend this position - despite Congress' constitutional right to call such witnesses, is outrageous.
Impeachment hearings could render this moot: The President, Vice President, and all officials under them would no longer invoke executive privilege. There would be no more smokescreens.
In one week, I will be delivering my letter calling for impeachment hearings to Chairman John Conyers. Already, 16 Members of Congress have joined my call, including 3 Judiciary Committee members. I am hopeful for more in the coming days, but it is important for you to reach out to your representative in Congress to express how you feel. You can view the current list of signers, here: http://www.wexlerforcongress.com/news.asp?ItemID=230
I do not know how Congress will react, but I do know this: I will pursue this course aggressively. I will not compromise away the constitutional role of Congress. Your support is invaluable. Please know that I am working everyday to ensure that the Bush Administration is held accountable.
Please continue to support this movement at http://www.wexlerwantshearings.com.
Yours truly,
Congressman Robert Wexler
February 9th, 2008 at 4:33 pm#27 - check all the values of any company making money off our military invasion, and then look into the donations to bush both 2000 and 2004. Any company that donated big bucks has every bill they push for approved. Coincidence ? Hardly.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:35 pmWell, now that Mitt has dropped out, he can shut up for all I care.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:35 pmexcellent post, tom!
well planned and executed... short, but covering all major points...
...
and, in case no one else has said it, i have to reiterate jon stewart's
February 9th, 2008 at 4:36 pmreaction to this speech...
to MonsieurRomney: FU(K YOU!
Lockheed Martin stock is not high....It has MORE THAN TRIPLED in less than 7 years. Most Folks that work for Lockheed Martin...IN 43 States...probably hate war like most Americans...but there is no doubt that War is Good for Business.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:37 pm#27 - check all the values of any company making money off our military invasion, and then look into the donations to bush both 2000 and 2004. Any company that donated big bucks has every bill they push for approved. Coincidence ? Hardly.
they would have donated to a democrat, too! it doesn't matter who's in the white house. what, do you think defense contractors don't 'work' democrats? think again. at the top, corruption is de rigeur.
and furthermore, even these cats donated cash to bush, that doesn't mean they are subconsciously motivated by human suffering.
if you can prove that, i would be utterly shocked. probably suicidal.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:39 pmLockheed Martin stock is not high….It has MORE THAN TRIPLED in less than 7 years. Most Folks that work for Lockheed Martin…IN 43 States…probably hate war like most Americans…but there is no doubt that War is Good for Business.
so, what? does that mean that shareholders of lockheed martin are subconsciously or consciously desiring human suffering, so as to increase their share value? if so, i have to throw up now.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:40 pmHere what I say to phony Republicans like Romney: I guess our current President fails your test miserably as he is the worst President since all the way back to the last World War, worse than any liberal Democrat including even Carter, in growing government jobs faster than the private sector can produce them!
I'll tell you something. If I'm a conservative I'm hopping mad at Bush. I'm fed up at his wasteful spending, and his growth in federal government. And for what?? The man and everyone associated with him are a bunch of incompetents.
He has taken the Republican Party into the toilet with all his scandals. He has trampled over our civil liberties in violation of the Constitution.
He has turned a party that was against costly foreign intervention into a party of hawks. Hawks that can't even see straight as they let bin Ladin get away.
He has presided over the peaking of Fox and a bunch of prima donna pundits sell outs like O'Reilly, Coulter and Limbaugh who demagogue the Republican Party to death every day with meanspirited, hypocritical, divisive, attack dog tripe all day long.
If I am a Republican, I am mad at Bush, Rove and crew, because all the party is left with is white, straight men with a chip on their shoulder blinding them to the reality that at this rate their numbers will shrink into a minority that will have more and more trouble keeping up at the polls.
Just look at this. If I am a Republican I know that the facts in the article below are real life real world facts that are a disgrace to the Republican Party and every single thing at the core of what they stand for.
As a Democrat, I am mad not because of the growth in government. I am mad because our President was too impotent and distracted with his frolic and detour in Iraq to grow jobs in the private sector for ordinary people. I am mad because with all the spending, of my money and yours, we haven't gotten squat from our government in return. I really would prefer that Bush stood to real conservative principles because any extra penny he spends in our government is a total waste, down the tubes on one of his contractor buddies or flushed by one of his crony hack incompetents running our various agencies.
Here's what we really need. We don't need a Democrat. We don't need a Republican. We need someone EFFECTIVE and MORAL. All the Republican candidates are lost. Lost to reality. They are too busy making up stories about how their legacy of power since their grandiose contract with America is somehow something other than a complete and total flop.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/09/business/09charts.html?sq=jobs&st=nyt&scp=7&pagewanted=print
"February 9, 2008
Off the Charts
Job Growth Where Bush Didn’t Want It
By FLOYD NORRIS
IT is not exactly a distinction that he had in mind, but seven years into his presidency, George W. Bush is in line to be the first president since World War II to preside over an economy in which federal government employment rose more rapidly than employment in the private sector.
That is not because federal government jobs have risen at an unusually rapid rate over the last seven years — although the increase did reverse a substantial decline under Mr. Bush’s most recent predecessor, Bill Clinton.
Instead, it is because job gains in the private sector were modest even after the economy recovered from the 2001 recession. In 2005, private sector employment rose 2 percent, the best annual growth rate during the Bush administration, but the rate fell to 1.4 percent in 2006 and 0.7 percent in 2007. In contrast, in six of the eight Clinton years growth was above 2 percent.
With the economy clearly slowing as the final year of Mr. Bush’s presidency begins, it is possible that the overall rate of growth in private sector employment for his presidency, now at 0.53 percent per year, could fall below the 0.41 percent rate of his father’s administration, which had been the lowest of any president since World War II."
February 9th, 2008 at 4:44 pmso, what? does that mean that shareholders of lockheed martin are subconsciously or consciously desiring human suffering, so as to increase their share value? if so, i have to throw up now.
Comment by darladoon — February 9, 2008 @ 4:40 pm
Now you're seeing the real Bush base, those who cheer the deaths of Americans as their portfolio fattens. this is the true republican ideology; profits over people's lives.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:44 pmUnfortunate for Dems, McCain will likely win in November unless Dems knock off Hitler and her mouthpiece husband. But that’s not likely - the Dems are little lap dog foot soldiers to the EVIL Clintons.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — February 9, 2008 @ 4:46 pm
Hahahaha, you're all done. Your own little Hitler Bushie failed at everything he tried, except killing Americans. That's all he is good at, that's what the Republicans thrive on: killing Americans, one way or another. McCain hasn't a chance of winning in November; he's a coward and a flip-flopper, who never spent a day in an enemy prison, but was hidden away in a Saigon hotel with a line of hookers out th door, because his daddy was an admiral. There isn't a Republican in America who isn't a thief, liar, pervert or traitor, and the American people finally see that. Even Ron Paul is a liar, carry the R after his name even thpugh he's a libertarian. the right is a festering pool of corruption and perversion, and LAFWH is a staunch member, most likely a pedophile.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:50 pmLooks like MA is back.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:52 pm... any Republican is going to be a loser this year, so throw McCain to
the dogs. He thinks he has been repaid, the Republican party gives up,
win win for all.
Comment by texaslady — February 9, 2008 @ 4:21 pm
until 2012...
but, it makes a whole lot of sense... i have to agree...
February 9th, 2008 at 4:52 pmand compliment of putting it so succinctly...
Bush needs to be hung.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:53 pmDarladoon - just get real, not suicidal. Money lots and lots of never ending money first blow up the country, then rebuild the country. A 70, 000,000 embassy in Bagdad that still is not habitable. Why just build it again, it is only the taxpayers money.
If you think those rolling in the big bucks consider the child with blown off arms or the mother raising fatherless children, not on your life. Their conscience is clear because there are layers between them and the destruction of life. Bush doesn't even understand pain, nor does he care.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:54 pmyes, those EVIL Clintons with their 8 years of peace and prosperity, leaving behind a surplus and a healthy country. Good thing Bush put an end to that, with his losing wars, trashing the Constitution, flushing the economy, and destroying America's moral standing in the world.
February 9th, 2008 at 4:55 pmThe funniest thing I saw at the CPAC meeting was a Secret Service agent in the audience when McCain was speaking.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:00 pmHis covert status was not blown by the fact he was watching the audience not the speaker or the ear bud or the lapel pin. What blew his cover was the fact he was the only black guy in the audience.
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — February 9, 2008 @ 4:57 pm
Bush killed 3000 Americans on 9/11, and has killed 4000 more since. McCain is a traitor and a phony; Kerry was a decorated hero. McCain nickname among other POW's is "songbird" becasue he spilled any time they looked at him funny. McCain was another mass muredering republican, dropping bombs from 5000 feet. He's a piece of shit that will be flushed next year, like the rest of the republican waste and puke that you wallow in, LAFWH. You better sleep with one open; your kind is known as traitors.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:00 pm44 . Hitlery Clinton
Good description
February 9th, 2008 at 5:01 pmClinton left Bush with a recession and the worst attack ever on American soil. Bang up job he did!
Comment by Liberals Are Filled With Hate — February 9, 2008 @ 4:59 pm
the recession and attack will be Bush's for the rest of history; it's already written. you can deny reality to yourself, but you just look like a fool tool to sane people. thanks for 9/11, losers!
February 9th, 2008 at 5:02 pmMcCain is not going to win even if the Democrats nominate a corpse. The Republican party deciders will wait til the public's memory of the last 8 years grows dim, they are smart enough to know most Americans would rather go without any President than a Republican.
You know maybe that is not a bad idea, do we really need a Federal government ? Maybe just let the states rule themselves. Might as well keep the corruption at local level.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:02 pmBush deserves to be hanged by the neck until dead. that's not a terroristic threat, it's a patriotic wish. he is the world's leading terrorist, and he biggest coward to ever steal high office.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:03 pm* * * * *
THANK YOU, Congressman Robert Wexler!
* * * * *
February 9th, 2008 at 5:03 pmClinton had nothing to do with Enron, bush's buddy who helped throw this nation into recession. And, more memos have come out to prove
February 9th, 2008 at 5:04 pmRichard Clark begged Rice and Bush to be aware of a imminent strike, which they both ignored.
but there is no doubt that War is Good for Business.
Comment by Badger — February 9, 2008 @ 4:37 pm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Remember the peace and prosperity we had during the Clinton years? We saw the greatest economic boom in the history of the United States during the 1990s. The DJIA went from 2,000 to 13,000. There were two or three jobs for every American. Wages and benefits were going up because of the labor shortage. And yet we had no war to speak of except for the U.N. action in Serbia. All this thanks to the leadership of Bill and Hillary Clinton and Al Gore.
Peace and prosperity rules!!
February 9th, 2008 at 5:05 pmBush was in office for almost a year before his massive 9/11 failure, and its his alone. akthough he did have help from his "wife" Condi, a partner in incompetence.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:05 pmThe "war is good for the economy" is absolute bullshit. It's good for a small percentage of those arms dealers and traitors that consider the deaths of American troops a small price to pay for their stock profits. Everybody else suffers, especially in an undeclared, illegal, immoral, losing occupation by a bunch of psychopaths who couldn't defend the country when it WAS attacked.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:08 pmHuckabee was ignoring that his chance of winning the GOP nomination is slim...he countered by saying that "he did not major in math., but in miracles".
May be Bush can use some of Huckabee's miracles to get us out of Iraq...
February 9th, 2008 at 5:08 pm#44 - Which is of more value to you Party loyalty or loyalty to the country you are priviledge to live in ? Because bush and cheney have done everything possible to ruin this country and murder the loyal military who are dying bush/cheney war. When will you admit your party was wrong to allow this to happen ?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:11 pmLooks like MA is back.
Comment by VerbalKint — February 9, 2008 @ 4:52 pm
The Mad Amoeba's back?
Finally a change from the Mr.Pee-brain, "dumb as a bag of hair" troll mentality to the hilariousness of the purely insane.
Oh, joy......
February 9th, 2008 at 5:15 pmTry and write the answer in English that is understood by intelligent and well read people, ok.
Comment by John Kerry — February 9, 2008 @ 5:08 pm
so everybody understands it perfectly except you? Are you really that big an idiot? Oh, stupid question, of course you are, you're a rightard wingnut with no brain.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:17 pmWhat the hell are you even talking about lib wacko???? Try and write the answer in English that is understood by intelligent and well read people, ok.
Comment by John Kerry — February 9, 2008 @ 5:08 pm
Okay. Tell me when you are ready
February 9th, 2008 at 5:20 pmOkay. Tell me when you are ready
Comment by dbadass — February 9, 2008 @ 5:20 pm
Jesus, don't hold your breath. They haven't perfected a brain transplant yet.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:20 pmMcCain/Huckabee wow thats a ticket we need, wonder what country McCain can decide to invade, Canada ? All the while the V.P. is talking to God for approval. I would have voted for McCain before he started selling out to bush.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:22 pmComment by delafield — February 9, 2008 @ 5:05 pm
I posted this on another thread, but looks like it deserves another post here.
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“The deliberate betrayal of its trust by the Republican party, the fatal incapacity of the Democratic party to deal with the new issues of the new time, have compelled the people to forge a new instrument of government through which to give effect to their will in laws and institutions.â€
"Who were the Progressives"
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAprogressive.htm
“To destroy this invisible Government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.†- 1912 Progressive Party Platform, attributed to Theodore Roosevelt and quoted again in his autobiography where he connects Trusts and monopolies (sugar interests, Standard Oil, etc.) to Woodrow Wilson and Howard Taft, and consequently both major political parties.
From Theodore Roosevelt: An Intimate Biography, Chapter XXII, pp. 25–31. (1919) — William Roscoe Thayer
Funny how things seem the same. Almost exactly the same.
Maybe trying a real Progressive Party again and not giving up on it, maybe we can actually change things.
For now, lets get the Republicans out first. We already know they have the “Midas Touch of Sh!t†and we cannot afford 4 more years of it.
If the Democrats are as ineffective as they have been the last 8 years (not just the disappointing last 2), its time for a voter rebellion and forming a new party. It has not always been Republican vs Democrat though out our history. After that, kick them all out, Republican and Democrat. If the Parties cannot listen to the people, then they no longer deserve our votes or support.
There are very few Democrats that I still respect at this point, and no Republicans.
My message to the DNC Leadership, do the right thing, or imperil your own Party.
I have had enough, and I am fairly sure a healthy chunk of America has as well.
I will remember the last 8 years, for the corruption and the spinelessness of it all has been burned into my mind.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:24 pmWe are not all as stupid as you wish we were.
Bush killed 3000 Americans on 9/11, and has killed 4000 more since.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — February 9, 2008 @ 5:00 pm
And nearly 2000 during Katrina.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:26 pmif clinton left bush a recession AND a terrorist attack, then why weren't republicans warning the country of both when bush took office?
i don't remember hearing anything about either a recession or an attack when bush took office.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:27 pmIt all just makes you want to puke. There has been no leadership to date in the real war on terror and Romney is cock-sure that both Obama and Clinton will "surrender to the terrorists".
Iraq wasn't the home of terrorists. Saddam took care of that. Yes, terrorists filtered in following the American war and occupation in Iraq but that is completely separate from the surrender to the terrorists that Bush has done and was so well documented in this article.
The fact that Bush was more interested in fishing than taking action against al Qaeda when given "hair is on fire" warnings prior to 9/11 is all so telling. And Tora Bora is completely inexcusable.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:27 pmThe backslapping by the Dems over the stimulas package said it all. Who in their right mind thinks a few hundred dollars is going to save a home, or feed their children. Maybe put gas in the tank for a week or so. Could have used this money for food stamps, raising the income level, could have used this money for the schools, so teachers can quit buying supplies out of their own money. But oh no, Dems and Repubs throw a couple of hundred out and want us to dance in delight. What a load of horse manure !
February 9th, 2008 at 5:28 pmDarladoon - do some reading...hit a library now and then and educate yourself. Even bush's minions told about trying to reach him at his ranch because of an imminent attack, possible by airliners. You didn't hear the meltdown of Enron during that summer? Or the rippling of other companies laying off ? Where were you, Kennebunkport ?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:31 pmBush killed 3000 Americans on 9/11, and has killed 4000 more since.
bush hasn't killed anyone. for your information.
if you want to say that his policies have created the conditions in which death occurred, then sure. but he didn't actually kill anyone.
if you say he did, then you won't get very far in convincing his supporters that they were wrong in voting for him. for your information.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:31 pmDarladoon - do some reading…hit a library now and then and educate yourself.
i honestly don't know what your point is. can you tell me your point?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:32 pmThere's a simple reason that we let OBL slide at Tora Bora. We invaded Iraq under the concept that Saddam had WMD and that there was a OBL/Saddam connection. This has been strictly a war on fear and nothing else. Throughout the State Of The Union Addresses, the boogyman OBL has been needed to calm the peasants. Had we taken OBL at Tora Bora, people would have demanded our troops return home. From a Bush/Cheney perspective, we all know we couldn't have that now don't we?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:33 pmMy message to the DNC Leadership, do the right thing, or imperil your own Party.
Comment by Wayne — February 9, 2008 @ 5:24 pm
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The Clinton years were the greatest years America had seen in the 20th century. The Clintons had a 70% approval rating when they left office. I miss peace and prosperity, the Clintons, and the Clinton years.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:35 pmf you say he did, then you won’t get very far in convincing his supporters that they were wrong in voting for him. for your information.
Comment by darladoon — February 9, 2008 @ 5:31 pm
sorry, the buck stops at Bush's desk. he is a murderer, active and passive. I'm not interested in convincing his supporters they were wrong in voting for him; most of them already know it, and the remaining handful are batshit crazy traitors.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:35 pmComment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:36 pm
you're nopt goping to get any credibility quoting a wingnut website's take on a rightard liar, pat2.
pat this.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:37 pm“Lefty Patriot†seems to need medication.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:38 pm
pat2 needs a brain.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:38 pmWhat is worse, a projection was played out for Rumsfeldt and Cheney of airliners attacking high rises just as a projection was done of levees breaking prior to Katrina. Either case, our administration did nothing.
And some journalists who try to inform the public are punished and held in contempt for not giving out their informates names.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:39 pmbush hasn’t killed anyone. for your information.
if you want to say that his policies have created the conditions in which death occurred, then sure. but he didn’t actually kill anyone.
if you say he did, then you won’t get very far in convincing his supporters that they were wrong in voting for him. for your information.
Comment by darladoon — February 9, 2008 @ 5:31 pm
Sure he did, through his ignoring warnings that could have prevented the 911 attacks, and subsequently ignoring both the intelligence community and facts that would have avoided invading Iraq. Both sets of deaths are a DIRECT RESULT of bush's actions, therefore he is at least PARTIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR DEATHS! Why don't you shove Ron Paul or Nader up your *ss and grow up you green party TARD!
February 9th, 2008 at 5:39 pmThe intellectual level of a 4 year old, or a Democrat, same thing.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:39 pm
who, you? You're not as smart as a 4-year-old. you must be a republican.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:41 pmThe Clinton years were the greatest years America had seen in the 20th century. The Clintons had a 70% approval rating when they left office. I miss peace and prosperity, the Clintons, and the Clinton years.
Comment by delafield — February 9, 2008 @ 5:35 pm
Clinton also caved to corporate interests. NAFTA, DMCA, finishing Reagan's deregulation of the Media, cutting welfare, etc, etc. Yes, he did a good job, when he was not being a corporate whore.
I call it like it is. Anyone that wants my vote has to earn it.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:42 pmBy their works, you will know them.
#82 = nuts
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:41 pm
#84=irrelevant. the GOP is dead and buried; pat2 has nothing. Bush is responsible for almost a million unnecessary deaths. He is the wrold's #1 terrorist. congratulations on supporting a sociopathic mass-murderer.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:43 pmif you say he did, then you won’t get very far in convincing his supporters that they were wrong in voting for him. for your information.
Comment by darladoon — February 9, 2008 @ 5:31 pm
Why would we want the dead-enders that still support him on our side? They're a lost cause.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:43 pmI’m rubber, and you’re glue…
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:42 pm
Good, nice response for a 2-year-old.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:44 pmi know you are but what am i
STOP IT.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:44 pm#73- Don't forget about July or August of 2007 armed drones had Osama in sight and no order to shoot would be given. Kinda backs your Tora Bora claim. A) bush's bailout buddies are relatives of Osama and B) reason to be in Iraq gone.
There was a small handful of terriosts in Afganistan, then we left invaded Iraq and a whole country is wanting to kill us now. Which I would be too if someone invaded this country. And of course now Afganistan is heating up because we didn't finish what we started .
February 9th, 2008 at 5:44 pmDarladoon - you might want to google Northwoods project. Tells alot of how to cow a population into doing what the government wants them to do.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:45 pmhe is a murderer, active and passive.
now can you PROVE, without a doubt, that he is an "active murderer"?
this ought to be interesting.....
oh, and according to "repubicans hate facts," the facts are there to bolster the case that bush is, without doubt, a murderer.
republicans hate facts throws venom at anyone with whom he disagrees.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:46 pm"bush hasn’t killed anyone. for your information."
Comment by darladoon
A thin, semantic reed. In court, one can be charged with negligent homicide for not taking prudent steps to protect. In this context, the defendant would rightfully be said to have killed the victim. The same can be said of Bush's decision at the time to focus on missile defense instead of terrorism. His negligent decision caused 9/11. He is guilty of homicide, not murder, but he killed them all the same.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:47 pmrightards like pat2 have never gotten over the fact that historically, democrats always govern more effectively, and are the model that he founding fathers had in mind when they created a Liberal Democratic Republic. There is no place in the USA for coward conservatives, they prove that every chance they get. America is weaker now than it ever has been, less repected, an international joke, a pariah, looked upon as a terrorist nation beholden to Saudi Arabia and Israel. Allbecause conservatives have such poor self-esteem they have to prove themselves by stealing money any way they can, even if it means the deaths of thousands of Americans.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:47 pmDarladoon - you might want to google Northwoods project. Tells alot of how to cow a population into doing what the government wants them to do.
gee thanks, i'll just assume everything on that site is.......the truth.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:47 pmLooks patrick1 has finally slunk back in.
The combined IQ of the trolls has just slipped into the negatives.
Just flag the idiot to get it re-banned.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:48 pmHis negligent decision caused 9/11
so can we go after clinton for putting sanctions on iraq?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:49 pmIf you don’t count impeachment for lying under oath, the attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, the bombing of Khobar Towers, the African embassy bombings, the attack on the USS Cole, the planning of 9/11…
Other than that, Clinton was basically a placeholder president.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:45 pm
Compared to Bush's presidency, we were in relative peace; the world was in relative peace.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:49 pmComment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:47 pm
I understand your deep denial, pat2, I'd be embarrassed as hell if Bush were my president. I would not want the murder of a million on my conscience either, although Bush doesn't care, having had his conscience destroyed by his sociopathic parents. But you keep on denying the facts that history is recording for all time if you like. It just makes you all the more pitiful.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:50 pmMy message to the DNC Leadership, do the right thing, or imperil your own Party. I have had enough, and I am fairly sure a healthy chunk of America has as well.
I will remember the last 8 years, for the corruption and the spinelessness of it all has been burned into my mind.
We are not all as stupid as you wish we were.
Comment by Wayne — February 9, 2008 @ 5:24 pm
see... that's what good ol' ralph should've been helping with,
all these years... instead of jumping into the picture every 4 years
as a spoiler...
tell you what, wayne... if this next batch of dems - and there SHOULD
February 9th, 2008 at 5:51 pmbe plenty of them - coming in to d.c. don't make a decent start on
cleaning up the mess, i'm with you on working for another progressive party... the roosevelt example above is inspiring...
#93 - Don't forget the planner of the WTC 93 was caught and is in prison. And impeachment didn't happen, lack of votes. Lying under oath, well lets count cheney and bush. How about more signing statements than any other president. How about trying to sell our Ports to Dubai, who harbored Osama.
Have you ever asked why did anyone even care about Clintons consensual sex ? Why was it even a question? Sure didn't have anything to do with running the government.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:51 pm"barfly is at least as responsible for 9/11 as President Bush."
Comment by Pat2 —
Now there's the debating style we have come to know from "conservatives."
A little bully, just like his idol.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:51 pm"The Democrats are fascistic opposites of the Founders."
Comment by Pat2
Please explain.
Make it believeable.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:52 pmso can we go after clinton for putting sanctions on iraq?
Comment by darladoon — February 9, 2008 @ 5:49 pm
Go right ahead if you want to.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:53 pmOther than that, Clinton was basically a placeholder president.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:45 pm
a placeholder president that grew the economy more than any other president, before of since, and whose impeachmetn was maeningless, since there was no conviction. Ronald Reagan, now there was a placehjolder president, cutting and running from lebanon after sending nearly 330 marines to their deaths. And you hate it, i know, but the 1993 WTC bombers are all in prison. What a bad president, to capture our enemies and jail them. Too bad Bushie is too beholden to the Bin laden family to do the same thing.
You are very stupid, even for a 2-year-old.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:53 pmThe Democrats are fascistic opposites of the Founders.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:50 pm
The founders were Democrats, you idiot. Homeschooled, right?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:54 pmI mimic barfly’s pathetic “debating style†and he/she can’t take it. L
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:54 pm
Well, we already know you have no original ideas.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:54 pmdbadass
STILL WAITING genius!!!
Comment by John Kerry — February 9, 2008 @ 5:48 pm
Did you get those shoes tied yet?
I would offer to have a battle of wits with you, but you appear unarmed.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:54 pm#105 - The Founders put into place checks and balances for running a government. This administration has done everything possible to destroy any checks and balances. And that is just the begining, this administration has drained any accountability for Environment, Land Management, our social plans. What is left of our Constituition that your leader said, was only a piece of paper?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:54 pmIt will take years and years to rebuild what this administration had destroyed in 8 years.
By your demented standard, FDR was the worst president ever.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:52 pm
That's crazy because everyone knows (excluding the dead-enders) that Bush is the worst president ever.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:55 pmBy your demented standard, FDR was the worst president ever.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:52 pm
Yes, FDR should never have invaded Germany for no reason.
Keep it up, you're showing all the weaknesses of the rightard lack of intelligence.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:55 pmRonald Reagan, now there was a placehjolder president, cutting and running from lebanon after sending nearly 330 marines to their deaths.
this is a very, very poor argument if you are against the iraq war. according to most liberals, reagan's decision was a good one.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:56 pmIs it any wonder the conservative carrion flies have arrived? They are looking for a fresh meal, now that the movement has been picked clean.
Where's the Raid?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:56 pmThe Democrats are fascistic opposites of the Founders.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:50 pm
That would be the current crop of republicans, not Democrats.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:56 pmaccording to most liberals, reagan’s decision was a good one.
Comment by darladoon — February 9, 2008 @ 5:56 pm
Which decision? The one to send the Marines to their deaths, or the one to do nothing about it? And where do you get the "most liberals" thing?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:58 pmthis is a very, very poor argument if you are against the iraq war. according to most liberals, reagan’s decision was a good one.
Comment by darladoon
Which one? Putting them there in the first place? Or taking them out?(some in bodybags)
February 9th, 2008 at 5:58 pmYour ability to regurgitate meaningless nutroots talking points is indeed impressive.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:57 pm
a distant second to yours, however. At least hers aren't outright lies, like the crap you spew from wingnut talkin points.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:58 pmif you want to say that his policies have created the conditions in which death occurred, then sure. but he didn’t actually kill anyone.
Comment by darladoon — February 9, 2008 @ 5:31 pm
Out of curiosity, how many people do you believe Hitler killed? How about bin Laden?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:58 pmBaked any bible-shaped cakes lately, Pat?
February 9th, 2008 at 5:59 pmDarladoon - hey you asked, just telling your where to look up theories. And you asked if bush had notification of attacks, he and condi admit they had info but shrugged it off. Wonder how you would feel knowing your family member died because your government would not take a head CIA memo seriously.
So, projections played out in the Pentagon, but hell who would think hijackers would use airplanes into highrises. Well someone sure did.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:00 pmNeither the president nor the vice president has lied under oath or otherwise.
“Why was it even a question?â€
Becasue the Demcorats made it an issue; Clinton himself signed the sexual harassment law that made it an issue.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:56 pm
that's pretty good. neither the president nor the vixe-president will take an oath, because they are natural-born liars, and will be caught, so that's some claim you've made for them. they lie every day, repeatedly. Clinton was found innocent, and never prosecuted beyong the repuke witchunt, so you are a liar, not him.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:01 pmBecasue the Demcorats made it an issue; Clinton himself signed the sexual harassment law that made it an issue.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:56 pm
Republicans are sexually repressed and that's why they dug into Clinton's sex life.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:02 pmPat 2 - my nutroots ideas have come from articles this government has allowed to be accessed through Freedom of Information. Still nutroot ?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:02 pmSimilarly, calling the Republicans fascist (a form of socialism) is ludicrous.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:00 pm
it's amazing how rightards are so proud of their ignorance that theuy will conflate fascism with socialism, without any understanding of the meaning of either word. What a dolt you are.
and over 800 historians have gone on record as stating that Bush is the worst president in American history. and many more will join that list as the years go by. he has accomplished nothing positive for America. Thanks for 9/11, repigs!
February 9th, 2008 at 6:03 pm"No one should be surprised to see such rank bigotry on this website."
Comment by Pat2 —
What are you talking about?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:03 pmSorry but sexual harrassment is when one party doesn't want the attention. Consensual sex does not come under that.
Also the Republicans were searching high and low for anything to discredit Clinton. Was Clinton stupid to let his little head do the thinking hell yes, was he good in running the government you had better believe it. There were jobs under his Presidency.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:04 pm"You mean when the head of CIA said it was a “slam dunk†that Saddam was developing WMD, including nukes?"
Except that Tenet denies ever saying it.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:05 pmYou mean when the head of CIA said it was a “slam dunk†that Saddam was developing WMD, including nukes? So you agree, Bush was obligated to act on that assessment?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:03 pm
you still buy that story, when it is now fact that Bush instructed him to say that? Please, are you that thick and foolish? Bush lied, a million died. Everybody knew there were no WMD left in Iraq. I knew. You knew. Bush is a liar, and his insistence that there were WMD was the proof that there weren't any.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:05 pmBy no objective measure can any reasonable person conclude that President Bush is the worst president ever. That’s ludicrous.
He's the worst president in history, bar none.
Similarly, calling the Republicans fascist (a form of socialism) is ludicrous.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:00 pm
Fascism consists of authoritarianism, militarism and jingoism. That's your guys.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:05 pmThis is just idiotic to the core: “Republicans are sexually repressed and that’s why they dug into Clinton’s sex life.â€
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:04 pm
you're right, it is idiotic for Republicans to be sexually repressed, but, hey, they're idiots, what can you do?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:06 pmOver 80trillion historians have gone on records as stating Bush is the best leader in the universe!
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:05 pm
the problem is, I can prove my claim, and you just look like a 2-year-old having a tantrum.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:07 pmRonald Reagan, now there was a placehjolder president, cutting and running from lebanon after sending nearly 330 marines to their deaths.
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this is a very, very poor argument if you are against the iraq war. according to most liberals, reagan’s decision was a good one.
Comment by darladoon — February 9, 2008 @ 5:56 pm
It wasn't. When he caved on a peacekeeping mission, with the UN, he caved to terrorists giving the rest of Lebanon to the wolves and it has been the toy Israel and Syria have been pulling the legs off of ever since.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:07 pm136 - Guess you haven't been apprised that Cheney and Scooter were daily visitors hounding for verification of WMDs. The march to war with Iraq was there on Bush's desk from day one. Bush had to be better than daddy. Bush went with the info he wanted without vetting it as he should. Did Dems vote for it, sure, again for political reasons doesn't make them angels.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:07 pmThis is just idiotic to the core: “Republicans are sexually repressed and that’s why they dug into Clinton’s sex life.â€
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:04 pm
Republicans are sexually repressed. They're always concerned about what people do in their bedrooms.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:07 pmSo you agree, Bush was obligated to act on that assessment?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:03 pm
yes, he was, by letting the UN inspectors finish the job, but he wouldn't, because he knew he was lying, and didn't want the world to see it, even though everybody knew he was a liar from birth.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:08 pmUh could you name one of the 80 trillion historians that say bush is the best ? Just curious. Especially when even his ardant aides are saying "Kerry was right". That would be Matthew Dowd.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:08 pmThe intellectual level of a 4 year old, or a Democrat, same thing.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 5:39 pm
Is that you, Jonah Goldberg?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:09 pmLefty (un)Patriot,
I can make up facts just like you!: Over 80trillion historians have gone on records as stating Bush is the best leader in the universe!
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:05 pm
The only one making up facts is you.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:09 pmRepublicans are sexually repressed. They’re always concerned about what people do in their bedrooms.
Comment by Nat — February 9, 2008 @ 6:07 pm
They're also extremely unattractive, and can't get laid without a fistful of 50s. that's one of the main reasons they hated Clinton: pure jealousy.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:10 pmI call it like it is. Anyone that wants my vote has to earn it.
Comment by Wayne — February 9, 2008 @ 5:42 pm
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The Clintons have earned your vote and they have the battle scars to prove it. Wayne (or anybody else), can you tell me one thing that Barack Obama has accomplished?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:10 pmTenet has not denied saying that. he has confirmed that he told the president he was certain Iraq had WMD before the invasion. barfly is not just a bigot, he’s also a liar. Par for the course on this hate site.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:09 pm
Tenet has denied saying that. You can't keep up, can you? And Clinton was wrongfully questioned, and the case was thrown out. You are a tool.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:11 pmPat - since you don't know me, baseless judgement not qualified. And again, consensual sex is not harrassment - stupid but not harrassment.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:11 pmFascism is a form of socialism.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:11 pm
Fascism is corporatism, having nothing to do with socialism. Your stupidity is deep.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:12 pmbut how can you prove what collectively and deliberately motivates all these military/industrial interests?
conspiracy theories are dangerous in this regard. might as well stick with what we know, rather than guess.
It doesn't require a conspiracy or collusion on a grand scale. it requires a kind of group-think among industrial/corporate heads who agree with the concept of projecting american force around the world--that the ends of Freedom are justified by the means of Force. Then as is the case with this administration, all that is needed is the state to sanction or allow action that benefits that segment of american industrial/corporate power. When Bush 41 drove Saddam out of Kuwait part of why Hussein's regime wasn't toppled by an american-led coalition or why the US didn't aid the shia uprising that was crushed by Saddam after Operation Desert Storm was because keeping Saddam Hussein around as a threat to regional stability in a box would justify arm sales to all of Iraq's neighbors.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:12 pmThere are so many obstacles in the way of finding proof; chief among them is a corporate news media that is bought and paid-for by those same powers that prevent the public from easy access to the information. The most pernicious aspect of american empire is that it was created in secret, even though some aspects of it like a "my-country-right-or- wrong" attitude evolved right in front of our eyes; our excessive basing of troops all over the globe, the training, aiding and supporting of hostile un-democratic regimes and genocidal tyrants has happened far away from the public's awareness.
I can make up nonsense, just like Nat!
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:11 pm
No shit! You're an expert at making up nonsense, thanks for admitting it.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:13 pmThe law Clinton himself signed allowed defendants in sexual harassment suits to be questioned about other workplace relationships. Clinton lied under oath in that context.
The republicans went after him because of their sexual repression.
Tenet has not denied saying that. he has confirmed that he told the president he was certain Iraq had WMD before the invasion. barfly is not just a bigot, he’s also a liar. Par for the course on this hate site.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:09 pm
He also delivered a report that said Iraq may not have WMDs and the White House dismissed it.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:13 pmPat just keep on the subject which is bush and his qualifications as president. Hillary isn't the subject now is she?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:14 pmCan you tell me one thing Hillary Clinton has accomplished?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:12 pm
US senator isn't any accomplishment, right? What an idiot pat2 is.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:14 pmaula Jones, the plaintiff, did not consent.
And the case was thrown out, because she was a liar. You have nothing, again.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:15 pmAnd I am still waiting for a name of one of the 80 trillion historians who think bush is the greatest. Are you aware it cost $25,000 an hour to protect your president when he traveled last month ? I guess because he is so admired Internationally.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:16 pmCan you tell me one thing Hillary Clinton has accomplished?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:12 pm
She has single-handedly driven republicans insane.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:16 pmThen he lied under oath.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:14 pm
and yet, wasn't convicted. therefore, he didn't lie under oath.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:16 pmFascism is a form of socialism.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:11 pm
If it isn't Goldberg, it is one of his aficionados. I am reminded of a hilarious incident in which an anonymous person posted a series of comments at Slate that were so suspicious that Slate's Fray editor virtually called it out as Goldberg masquerading as a Goldberg fan. It was Goldberg pretending to be a college professor praising Goldberg's "scholarship". It was pathetic.
Tim Noah wrote a great review of Goldberg's book. Noah gave it a real trashing. Goldberg, always a thin-skinned punk, wrote something pathetic and ridiculous in response, of course, and Noah shredded that, too. Poor Jonah. He is a world class pussy who wouldn't pay off his bet with Juan Cole.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:16 pmShe has single-handedly driven republicans insane.
Comment by Nat — February 9, 2008 @ 6:16 pm
short drive, let's face it. look at pat2, for instance. that's one nutty fruitcake.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:17 pm"She has single-handedly driven republicans insane."
Comment by Nat —
With the help of a certain oxycontin-fueled bigot...
February 9th, 2008 at 6:18 pmso Bush was obligated to act on that assessment.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:17 pm
No, he wasn't.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:18 pm"The consensus view of the intel community was that Iraq had WMD,"
Operative word, "had."
February 9th, 2008 at 6:19 pmI can make up nonsense, just like Nat!: “Nat is sexually repressedâ€
Fascism is a form of socialism.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:11 pm
Fascism is represented by the current crop of republicans. Both Hitler and Mussolini are in envy of the current republican party.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:19 pmI think this "Pat2" is "USA_Patriot", w/ a new ISP address.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:20 pmhe consensus view of the intel community was that Iraq had WMD, so Bush was obligated to act on that assessment.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:17 pm
bullshit, as usual. Bush didn't wait until the evidence was in, because he knew he was wrong. You can argue this all you want, but there were no WMD found, anywhere. That pretty much makes you the goat, and totally wrong, and explains why Bush is the worst president in US history. A slam-dunk, for sure. No WMD, none, zero. Careers ruined, a million dead, all for a liar with a tiny dick and a miserable whore for a mother, and a wimp failure for a father. The Bush family is a catastrophe, and completely unAmerican.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:21 pmThe consensus view of the intel community was that Iraq had WMD, so Bush was obligated to act on that assessment.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:17 pm
Yes and that's why the inspectors went back in.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:21 pmThe Clintons have earned your vote and they have the battle scars to prove it. Wayne (or anybody else), can you tell me one thing that Barack Obama has accomplished?
Comment by delafield — February 9, 2008 @ 6:10 pm
Bill Clinton earned my vote when he ran. I was disappointed with some of what he did. Was he better than Bush, hell yes.
Hillary has not yet earned my vote.
Neither has Obama.
My primary hasn't happened yet. Neither were my first choice.
What has Obama accomplished?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:22 pmHe didn't vote for the Iraq war and he didn't co-sponsor the Republican Flag Burning Amendment Bill.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:17 pm
Clinton did it!
How pathetic. Does this fat-assed freak really believe that the Clinton did it! thing sells anymore? 70% of this country wishes Bill Clinton was still president.
I forget who characterized Ken Starr and his band of goons as epicene men, but it was a brilliant description. I think it was Frank Rich. Goldberg, Rove, Starr and their ilk all fit the description.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:22 pmBoth Hitler and Mussolini were committed socialists, just like you.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:20 pm
both Hitler and Mussolini were friends of Prescott Bush, and committed fascists, just like the Bush family. And they are dead, as the Bushes should be. The world would be a better place without them.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:22 pmBoth Hitler and Mussolini were committed socialists, just like you.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:20 pm
They were authoritarian, militaristic and jingoistic like the current crop of republicans.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:23 pmthink this “Pat2″ is “USA_Patriotâ€, w/ a new ISP address.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 9, 2008 @ 6:20 pm
good catch. it does display that level of stupidity, ignorance and treason that typified USApatsy. Time to ban.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:23 pmSo Pat it is "my party right or wrong, not my country first. Your party has not shown to have America's best interest at heart. Which would be protect homeland above all, like food source, water, environment, ports. Oh, and lets not forget how about financial strength instead of borrowing against our children's children. You Pat, are way deep in debt for allowing your party to go off track.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:24 pmI think this “Pat2″ is “USA_Patriotâ€, w/ a new ISP address.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 9, 2008 @ 6:20 pm
Its patrick1.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:24 pmDoes this crazy moonbat really believe every guilty party is convicted? OJ Simpson?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:18 pm
Why would you ask a silly question like that when Bush is still walking around free?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:25 pmpat2, being a rightard, cares not for America or his children, as long as he can pretend to have a big dick, contrary to all evidence.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:25 pmWow! OJ did it!
Desperation from pat2. pretty funny when she sinks that low. just give it up, pat2, y8ou're finished. wipe yourself, or call mommy.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:26 pmThe consensus view of the intel community was that Iraq had WMD, so Bush was obligated to act on that assessment.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:17 pm
Completely false, Fat2. First they fabricated the intelligence. Then they ignored the work of the inspectors. Bush said to the media that the inspections weren't going well on the very first day the first team landed in Iraq. They barely had time to check into their hotels, and Bush said that the inspections weren't going well. Then the inspectors complained that every single site given them by the administration to check was bogus.
Some intelligence, Fat2. On par with your intelligence. Go crawl back to RedState where you belong.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:26 pmNat, I have more evidence that you’ve committed a crime than that Bush has.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:28 pm
bush has no evidence that Nat committed a crime?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:29 pmIts patrick1.
Comment by Wayne — February 9, 2008 @ 6:24 pm
I do not think this is Patrick1. That freak stuck to writing lame one liners. It was more like a robot than a person, and was generally non-responsive. This one is meaner.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:29 pmVerbalkint fabricated his last comment.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:29 pm
You've fabricated every answer.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:30 pmVerbalkint fabricated his last comment.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:29 pm
Prove it.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:31 pmNat, I have more evidence that you’ve committed a crime than that Bush has.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:28 pm
What's worse than illegally invading another country which has led to the deaths of countless human beings?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:33 pmOh, and "Pat", Republicans are EXTREMELY sexually repressed. That is why so many of them have been arrested for lewd and perverted sexual acts. Self-loathing pedophiles and homosexuals all, just like the Nazis.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:33 pmIsn't Romney roadkill, anyway?
Why kick him, when he's just waiting to get out of the race with a little face left?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:34 pmVerbalkint, you first.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:32 pm
Where are the WMD's? North, south, east, and west of Baghdad, and thereabouts?
Powell has admitted his presentation to the U.N. was a bunch of garbage.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:35 pmThis one is meaner.
Comment by VerbalKint — February 9, 2008 @ 6:29 pm
patrick1 was a real prick when off his meds
if not him the two trolls have the same IQ then =)
maybe they share the same 2 brain cells.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:35 pmLefty, your inability to read and comprehend standard English is noted.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:32 pm
pat2, I merely read what y8ou wrote. perhaps you need to study your grammar, since you have such little command of the language. are you from America? You certainly don't seem to be.
and, by the way, Bush's invasion was illegal, under both US and international law. not that it would matter to you, who has no respect for the law.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:35 pmWho illegally invaded another country?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:33 pm
Don't play dumb. You know who I'm talking about.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:35 pmhe consensus view of the intel community was that Iraq had WMD, so Bush was obligated to act on that assessment.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:17 pm
bullshit, as usual. Bush didn’t wait until the evidence was in, because he knew he was wrong. You can argue this all you want, but there were no WMD found, anywhere. That pretty much makes you the goat, and totally wrong, and explains why Bush is the worst president in US history. A slam-dunk, for sure. No WMD, none, zero. Careers ruined, a million dead, all for a liar with a tiny dick and a miserable whore for a mother, and a wimp failure for a father. The Bush family is a catastrophe, and completely unAmerican.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — February 9, 2008 @ 6:21 pm
EXACTLY.
Let's OPEN UP the records of Reagan and Poppy that were blocked by AWOL Junior in November 2001.
Because of "9/11" and stuff, ya know...
Bush Crime Family Treason (TM)
February 9th, 2008 at 6:36 pm"Being Traitorous To The United States of America for 70 Years"
hey you asked, just telling your where to look up theories. And you asked if bush had notification of attacks
i never asked that. thanks, though.
It doesn’t require a conspiracy or collusion on a grand scale. it requires a kind of group-think among industrial/corporate heads who agree with the concept of projecting american force around the world
sure, it does. unless, of course, you can prove what lies behind the desire for financial profit. is it psychic? is it subconscious? erotic? psycho-sexual? what?
it's easy to argue that money is what motivates all human action, but to prove it is another thing entirely.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:37 pmI thought you lefties were against making moral judgments. L
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:34 pm
what makes you think that? just because you look the other way when your republican pedophiles chase underage pages around congress, you think we're as sick as you? sorry, that's your expertise, raping children and making passes at same-sex cops in airport restrooms. you should be very proud.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:37 pmI thought you lefties were against making moral judgments. L
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:34 pm
Some are; some aren't.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:37 pmI thought you lefties were against making moral judgments. L
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:34 pm
Well, you thought wrong. Pedophilia is morally wrong, criminal, and completely disgusting, especially when it involves raping your own children. Engaging in sex with a stranger in a public bathroom is pathological and disgusting. I'm alarmed that you don't think so.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:37 pmit’s easy to argue that money is what motivates all human action, but to prove it is another thing entirely.
Comment by darladoon — February 9, 2008 @ 6:37 pm
nobaody was arguing that money motivates all human action, just republican criminal behavior.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:38 pmRomney also said in the same speech that his pursuit further could lead to a Democratic win and he could not do anything to aid the surrender in the war on terror.
If we don't ever leave Iraq then we are there for infinity. Should we still be in Vietnam today? Ford "cut and run" based on the timelines Nixon and Kissinger negotiated with the enemy. Eisenhower "surrendered" in Korea.
The problem is the US wants to control every square inch of the planet earth and its major resources, all satellites and maybe the moon and Mars. We have 750 bases in 130 countries. We spend (all things considered) about $1 Trillion every yeazr on our military. Iraq will cost us over $2 Trillion if we begin withdrawal soon. Our debt is too high.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:38 pmEngaging in sex with a stranger in a public bathroom is pathological and disgusting. I’m alarmed that you don’t think so.
Comment by VerbalKint — February 9, 2008 @ 6:37 pm
alarmed, but certainly not surprised.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:38 pmWho illegally invaded another country?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:33 pm
There is worldwide consensus that George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq was illegal.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:39 pm“Wrong†and “fabricated†are not synonyms. Are you ignorant or a liar?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:38 pm
is that a choice? because it appears that you are both ignorant and a liar. but I'm only going on what you write.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:40 pmYou don’t know what you’re talking about, why should I?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:40 pm
well, nobody expects y8ou to, you're a liar, but you'll have to prove nat wrong, which is impossible, since he's right. too bad, really sucks to be you.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:40 pmWhere are the WMD's, Pat? Why weren't we greeted with flowers, Pat? Why are we bogged down in an unwinnable war that has dragged on for five years, when the chicken hawk cowards that started the war predicted six weeks, or six months at the most, Pat? Why do the Taliban control 50% of Afghanistan, Pat? Why has our standing around the world, including among our staunchest allies, plummeted, Pat? Why are we 9 trillion dollars in debt, Pat? Where are the ten million missing jobs, Pat?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:43 pmOf course there will be instances of the US killing al Qaeda leaders, but according to the 16 intelligence agencies of the USA, the Iraq War has been a boon to al Qaeda and made us less safe.
The reason Saddam was left in place at the end of Gulf War I was that he was a buffer against the fundamentalist Islamists.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:45 pmRomney's red-meat rhetoric is for beltway consumption.
He's too pretty to be a vp, and his ego would never fit inside the small role he would play in any hypothetical republican administration, so he's looking down the road, and at his next job. I'm guessing something like president of the NRA, or some such bastion of bloviating bigots.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:45 pmVerbalkint, so you’re demanding Barney Frank’s resignation?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:42 pm
Barney Frank is gay. I don't have the slightest problem with that. But I'm not surprised you can't distinguish between gay, and abnormal. My problem is with self-loathing homosexuals who attempt to persecute innocent gay people, a description that fits an awful lot of congressional Republicans and their staffers.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:45 pmComment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:45 pm
What constitutes our "win"? A very pro-Iranian government in Iraq ruled by Sharia Law?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:46 pmThe liberation of Iraq was certainly legal.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:42 pm
For you information, imbecile, most Iraqi are prisoners in their homes (or what is left of them), because the country has no functioning central government. Large areas of the countries are in the hands of local bands of brigands. Some liberation.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:47 pmYou don’t know what you’re talking about, why should I?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:40 pm
Let's see how dumb you really are:
Nowadays, when a Democrat talks about illegal invasion they're referring to ___________________?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:47 pmOf course the war is winnable, unless a Democrat wins the election in November and surrenders to the enemy as they’ve promised.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:45 pm
An occupation is not winnable. Either the people want you there or they don't.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:48 pm935 recorded lies taking us into this fiasco. A tremendous gift to our enemies.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:49 pmNotice how Verbalkint tries to change the subject because he can’t back up his absurd claims.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:45 pm
Notice how Pat runs away from the questions I posed in #228.
And on what basis do you claim the war is winnable? It has been five years, Pat, and we are no closer to winning than when we started. John McBush has even said it might take one hundred years, Pat. What the hell kind of victory is that?
And please tell us, pray tell, how you define victory.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:50 pmLets see if you have the guts to send that very threat to the White House. LOL!
Comment by Tracy2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:46 pm
Why would he? Those criminals in the White House are ruthless.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:50 pm"Keith, according to the Clinton administration, Iraq was a state sponsor of terrorism throughout the 1990s."
Comment by Pat2
Notice the weasel-worded way in which Pat presented his case?
He didn't say "Saddam," he said "Iraq." That's so he can weasel out, when someone points out that the terrorists in Iraq were in the no-fly zones, that Saddam didn't control.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:50 pmI think this “Pat2″ is “USA_Patriotâ€, w/ a new ISP address.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity @ 6:20 pm
patrick/patrick1/michael/etc...
February 9th, 2008 at 6:50 pm"Yes and Bush IS God."
Comment by Tracy2
Meaning both are figments of imagination?
I wish...
February 9th, 2008 at 6:51 pmOh, the Democrats have lied much more than that in their quest for defeat.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:50 pm
Democrats lie once in a while but it's nothing compared to Bush and the republicans.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:52 pmIraq was a state sponsor of terrorism throughout the 1990s.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:47 pm
Well, it is about a million times larger supporter of terrorism thanks to your people. That's according to the 16 intelligence agencies of the USA.
Carter had sactions against aiding Iraq. Reagan instantly removed these and began aiding him militarily. Also a tremendous arms sale illegally to the terrorist state of Iran under Khomeni.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:52 pmOK, so Verbalkint’s standard is clear now - it’s OK if a Democrat does it.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:47 pm
What is okay, Pat? It is okay if a Republican is gay. It is not okay when gay Republicans try to persecute gay people while hiding the fact that they themselves are gay. It is not okay when Republicans try to engage in man-on-boy sex, or rape their own daughters. It is creepy that you cannot distinguish the difference. Very, very creepy.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:52 pm"We are much closer to winning due to the success of Bush’s surge strategy, despite the Democrats’ continued efforts to undermine our troops in the field."
Except for that pesky reconciliation...
February 9th, 2008 at 6:53 pmWe are much closer to winning due to the success of Bush’s surge strategy, despite the Democrats’ continued efforts to undermine our troops in the field.
I don’t know who John McBush is, but I haven’t seen anyone say it’ll take 100 years.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:52 pm
There is nothing for America to win in Iraq.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:53 pmDefine winning, Pat. The Bush administration defined a bunch of benchmarks, 18 of them I think, and 15 or so have not been realized. Is 3 out of 18 your idea of being close to winning? Are your standards really that low?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:54 pmBut the Clinton administration called Iraq a state sponsor of terrorism throughout the 1990s.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:53 pm
Prove it, Pat.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:55 pmClinton did it, Pat. We already know that much from your pathetic ramblings. Now start addressing those questions I asked in #228. Are the WMD's north, south, east, and west of Baghdad, or thereabouts?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:56 pmYes and Bush IS God.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:49 pm
We're up to comment #250 and you're responding to my comment at #66. You're really pathetic.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:57 pmYes and Obama, if elected, would offer him a government payed therapy session.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:56 pm
So.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:58 pmWorst President ever, Pat. I know it's a world of hurt for you, but I suggest you start moving on while you still have a glimmer of hope of mental recovery.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:58 pmMcCain reaffirmed it, “excitedly declaring that U.S. troops could be in Iraq for ‘a thousand years’ or ‘a million years,’ as far as he was concerned.â€
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/04/mccain-100-years/
February 9th, 2008 at 6:58 pmNat hasn’t provided any evidence whatsoever that Bush lied about anything.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:55 pm
I can provide evidence if you want me to.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:59 pmWhy does Keith suddenly want to change the subject to Carter and Reagan? LOL
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:58 pm
Pretty funny, coming from someone who keeps saying "Clinton did it!" after seven years of his own guy trashing the country.
Pat, 2.7 million jobs created under Bush, and going down every day. Compare that to Clinton's 14 million jobs.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:00 pm"No, that wouldn’t constitute “state sponsorship.†But the Clinton administration called Iraq a state sponsor of terrorism throughout the 1990s."
Comment by Pat2
Except that it wasn't. Provide the data that Clinton used in his presentation to prove the case. We both know it relies upon highly-suspect, and difficult to interpret assumptions.
1. The financial support that Saddam gave to Palestinians was to families displaced by Israelis, because they had a family member who was a suicide bomber. Often, the families first clue that their son was a bomber was when the bulldozers showed up to raise their house.
2. The terrorists in Iraq were in the no-fly zones, as we also well know.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:00 pmComment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:58 pm
I'm asking you if there was more terrorism coming out of Iraq before your glorious invasion or today, numbnuts!!!
February 9th, 2008 at 7:01 pmI see no relevance to your question.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 6:59 pm
WMD's were the reason given for the invasion. You consider this irrelevant?!?!?
February 9th, 2008 at 7:01 pmI am not the freak who suggested the Bush directed Katrina to hit New Orleans and killed over 2000 people. That would be Nat, not to mention that Left Patriot thinks 9/11 was an inside job.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:00 pm
When did I suggest "Bush directed Katrina to hit New Orleans and killed over 2000 people"?
February 9th, 2008 at 7:01 pmYou do know the BJ Clinton is the poster boy of “lyingâ€â€¦.right?
Comment by Tracy2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:01 pm
Compared to Bush, Clinton was a saint.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:02 pmWe’ve had troops in Germany and Japan for over 50 years, so what? We’ve had troops in Kuwait since 1991, so what?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:00 pm
During peacetime, without hostilities, at the invitation of these countries' (functioning) governments. Some comparison, Pat. Is that the best you can do? 29,000 wounded in Iraq, Pat. Tell me again how many have been wounded in Japan and Germany?
February 9th, 2008 at 7:02 pmComment by VerbalKint — February 9, 2008 @ 7:00 pm
It's more like W's five million jobs compared to Clinton's 22 million. Monthly average 72,000 for W----237,000 for Clinton.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:03 pmYou do know the BJ Clinton is the poster boy of “lyingâ€â€¦.right?
Comment by Tracy2
That would be Reagan, lying on television to the american public about Iran/Contra.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:04 pmNo, presidents don’t create jobs, except in the fascist economy of your dreams.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:02 pm
Are you saying that half a trillion dollars wasted in Iraq has nothing to do with the state of the economy? Are you saying that turning a surplus into a huge deficit, and adding 4 trillion dollars of debt has nothing to do with the state of the economy? Congress gave Bush everything he wanted. Bush owns this economy.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:04 pmNo, presidents don’t create jobs, except in the fascist economy of your dreams.
barfly, “state sponsorshipâ€
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:02 pm
So you agree that Bush is a fascist? He has created a lot of jobs in the defense industry.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:04 pmOr perhaps Nixon's "I am not a crook!"
February 9th, 2008 at 7:05 pmIt’s more like W’s five million jobs compared to Clinton’s 22 million. Monthly average 72,000 for W—-237,000 for Clinton.
Comment by Keith — February 9, 2008 @ 7:03 pm
I believe your numbers are based on the household survey, and mine are based on payrolls. But the ratio is approximately the same. Thanks for the clarifying information.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:06 pm"Millions were wounded and killed in japan and Germany, "
We're not here to discuss your old, drug-fueled escapades...
February 9th, 2008 at 7:07 pmMillions were wounded and killed in japan and Germany, Verbalignorance.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:05 pm
They were wounded during WWII when those countries declared war on us, idiot. They were not wounded during an occupation, and they were not wounded during the last 50 years when we have been invited guests in those countries. What a pathetic, lying, loser.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:07 pmUnlike Clinton, Nixon was never impeached.
Comment by Pat2
Thank the Ford.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:09 pmUnlike Clinton, Nixon was never impeached.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:07 pm
Unlike Nixon, Clinton never resigned. Impeachment AND conviction were a fait accompli if Nixon stayed in office. Nixon was also pardoned, which is prima facie evidence that he committed crimes. Clinton was never convicted.
What a pathetic fool.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:09 pmSince figures have been kept in the 1920's every time a Dem President follows a Repub, the job growth rate has improved. Every time a Repub president has followed a Dem, the job growth rate has worsened. Find an almanac and see for yourself.
If presidents don't create jobs then why does every conservative in the country tell us that trickle-down economics creates jobs? W is constantly telling us how many jobs he has created even though his 72,000 monthly average is below the 140,000 needed to meet population growth.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:10 pmGive it up, Pat. Seriously. You aren't convincing anyone of anything here except that you are a right wing authoritarian with absolutely no compunctions about lying, and a gross inability to distinguish between being gay and being a pedophile.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:10 pmMillions were wounded and killed in japan and Germany, Verbalignorance.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:05 pm
I see we're back to the good ol' days of trolldom when the trolls didn't even try to make sense.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:11 pmMillions were wounded and killed in japan and Germany, Verbalignorance.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:05 pm
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Yes during the war. The subsequent occupation of these countries went pretty smoothly unlike Iraq. The Iraqis don't want us there but the republicans for some reason (my guess oil) want to stay there. American troops are paying the price for the republicans' ignorance and haughtiness.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:12 pmMcCain made the point that if US troops are not dying in combat in Iraq in future years, then the American people won’t object to their being there. So you seem to agree with him.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:10 pm
What evidence do you have that Americans won't be dying in combat in Iraq in future years? We have already been at war there longer than WWII, and we are no closer to securing the country than ever before. And if Iraq is peaceful, then why do we need to stay there?
February 9th, 2008 at 7:13 pmGive it up, Verbalkint. Seriously. You aren’t convincing anyone of anything here except that you are a left wing authoritarian with absolutely no compunctions about lying, and a gross inability to distinguish between being gay and being a pedophile.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:12 pm
Good one, Pat! I'm really laughing now!
Folks, I think Pat just blew a fuse.
Now go back and read #292 if you have any brain cells left.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:14 pmNixon was never impeached nor convicted of anything.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:11 pm
Well, Nixon resigned and Ford made sure he wasn't convicted of anything.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:14 pm“Yes and Bush IS God.â€
Comment by Tracy2
Meaning both are figments of imagination?
I wish…
Comment by barfly — February 9, 2008 @ 6:51 pm
Bush ain't DOG SZIT.
God SEES the EVIL, LIES and GENOCIDE that this little COXUCKER has COMMITTED, in God's NAME yet, just like the Taliban.
God WILL remember the ones who MURDERED his children, and Bush will LITERALLY have HELL TO PAY.
Just like TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan, now DEAD and with Hitler, Saddam and MASTER Satan.
All business associates of the TREASONOUS Bush WAR CRIMINAL Family.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:15 pmAnd if Germany is peaceful, why do we need to stay there?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:14 pm
Good question. It was a good idea during the cold war. Maybe it will be a good idea again, now that Bush has created conditions that are likely to lead to a new cold war with Russia. But in the meantime, Germany is seriously considering asking us to leave.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:16 pmMcCain made the point that if US troops are not dying in combat in Iraq in future years, then the American people won’t object to their being there. So you seem to agree with him.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:10 pm
I hope McCain continues with this belief. It will make it much easier for a Democrat to win the White House.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:17 pm61% of Iraqis agree with attacks on US troops.
One year ago, 70% of Americans wanted our troops out within one year.
Two years ago, 70% of our troops in Iraq said we should be out within one year.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:17 pmVerbalkint, we are much closer to securing the country. The surge is working very well.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:14 pm
No functioning government, Pat. I realize that you don't grasp the importance of having a functioning government, but try to get with the program.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:17 pmAnd the partisan Democrats put their party ahead of their country and the rule of law to make sure Clinton wasn’t convicted even though he was undoubtedly guilty.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:15 pm
I think Clinton could have beaten the charges and that's why they didn't pursue it.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:19 pmGod, I had forgotten all about patrickSmallOne. How long has it been since he was here? Before registration maybe?
Yet here he comes again, comparing apples to footballs, claiming that WW2 casualties among Germans and Japanese are somehow equivalent to the casualties suffered by our forces during this current occupation.
Very odd indeed.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:20 pmAnd if Germany is peaceful, why do we need to stay there?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:14 pm
You don't believe Germany is peaceful?
February 9th, 2008 at 7:21 pmFolks, I think Pat just blew a fuse.
Comment by VerbalKint — February 9, 2008 @ 7:14 pm
Verbal, I doubt if Pat's circuitry is advanced enough to be fuse-protected.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:21 pm#316 Ooo, I think Pat got his two circuits briefly unscrambled, because he was able to string together several lies and straw men in a single post.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:23 pm318 comments and counting. You are a real live one, Pat. I don't remember seeing this much troll action in quite a while. I shouldn't bother engaging you, because I know you love the attention, but, well, I did it, and there is no going back now. I guess I must have been feeling a little frustrated by the difficulties facing this country and the world because of freaks like you. If only Republicans would limit themselves to sex in public bathrooms the world would be such a better place.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:24 pmI'm sorry I joined this thread so late. Patrick Small Pair seems to be providing loads of laughs.
-- What? He's serious?
That's even funnier!
February 9th, 2008 at 7:24 pmAnd the partisan Democrats put their party ahead of their country and the rule of law to make sure Clinton wasn’t convicted even though he was undoubtedly guilty.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:15 pm
Then kindly explain why so many REPUBLICAN senators voted NOT GUILTY. Kindly explain why the federal judge ruled that he was NOT GUILTY of perjury nor obstruction of justice.
BTW, when Nixon was told by Republican congressmen that he would definitely be impeached and probably convicted---he resigned. He was not convicted of anything because his pardon for all crimes past present and future made this impossible. Were you alive in the early 70's?
February 9th, 2008 at 7:24 pmHe took an online class, Verbal... either that or the Learning Annex...
"Introduction to Strawman Arguments For Trolls"...
February 9th, 2008 at 7:25 pmVerbalkint, I know the current, democratically elected government of Iraq isn’t perfect, and doesn’t function the same way the government of Saddam Hussein functioned, as you prefer. But hard problems can take time. That’s no reason to declare defeat and surrender.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:22 pm
The Iraqis will decide the future of their country; we have no business there.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:26 pmOh gawd... is Pat2 arguing about Bill's hummer and comparing it to Nixon or Botch? Talk about ridiculous.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:27 pmI’m sorry I joined this thread so late.
If you got here sooner, we might be up to 400 posts now, and would have gotten 20 or 30 more pathological thoughts out of Pat. We might have a whole textbook written.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:27 pmOh gawd… is Pat2 arguing about Bill’s hummer and comparing it to Nixon or Botch? Talk about ridiculous.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 9, 2008 @ 7:27 pm
You think that's ridiculous? Check out this freak's claim that millions of American soldiers were wounded in post-war Germany and Japan.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:29 pmOh, and 31 different flavors of "Clinton did it!"
Pat has a very unhealthy obsession with other people's sex lives.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:31 pmThat was before the surge worked.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:19 pm
The polls haven't changed since the surge "worked". People are tired of the albatross that is Iraq.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:31 pmWe are helping the Iraqis secure their future and eradicating al Qaeda.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:29 pm
I guess Pat must not realize that Al Qaeda primarily operates along the frontier between Pakistan (our "ally") and Afghanistan (where we have allowed the Taliban to recapture 50% of the country).
February 9th, 2008 at 7:32 pmProve it.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:19 pm
Poll: Iraqis Back Attacks on U.S. Troops
By BARRY SCHWEID
The Associated Press
Wednesday, September 27, 2006; 10:33 PM
WASHINGTON -- About six in 10 Iraqis say they approve of attacks on U.S.-led forces, and slightly more than that want their government to ask U.S. troops to leave within a year, according to a poll in that country.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/27/AR2006092701435.html
February 9th, 2008 at 7:33 pmWe are helping the Iraqis secure their future and eradicating al Qaeda.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:29 pm
The Iraqis will decide their own future; we have no business there
And the Iraqis can take care of Al Qaeda if Al Qaeda is in Iraq.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:34 pmVerbalkint is obviously glying. I didn’t say that.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:31 pm
Glying?!?
Actually, you did say it, Pat. You compared our occupation of Iraq with our troops stationed in Germany and Japan. I said 29,000 American soldiers have been wounded in Iraq. You replied that millions have been wounded in Germany and Japan. Just look up the thread and read your own posts.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:34 pmVerbalkint, sexual harassment and rape aren’t private. Clinton wasn’t impeached for his sex life, he was impeached for lying under oath.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:32 pm
Rape? What rape? There is no proof that Clinton raped anyone.
I didn't say that Clinton was impeached for his sex life. I said you were obsessed with his sex life. There is a big difference.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:35 pmhe was impeached for lying under oath.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:32 pm
And he was found not guilty because he did not lie. According to the prosecuters' definition of "sexual relations" he did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. This is why many Republican senators voted NOT GUILTY. The federal judge later ruled that this testimoney was immaterial to the Paula Jones case and could not be perjury or obstruction of justice either way.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:37 pmI guess Verbalkint must not realize that al Qaeda is also operating in Iraq.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:33 pm
Umm, dips**t, that is a group called "al Qaida in Iraq" that has no connection to OBL's Al Qaeda. It is just some local insurgent group that didn't exist until Bush invaded. In effect, Bush created this group by creating conditions that led to its rise.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:37 pmClinton raped Juanita Broadrick.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:37 pm
Where is the indictment? Where is the conviction? Broadrick provided no proof, no evidence, and her charges were not credible. It wasn't even investigated, the charge was so weak. This story was manufactured on the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:39 pmVerbalkint, sexual harassment and rape aren’t private. Clinton wasn’t impeached for his sex life, he was impeached for lying under oath.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:32 pm
The republicans had no business snooping around in his private life. Jone's suit was thrown out of court and the rape story was just that - a story.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:40 pmComment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:34 pm
It is impossible to post a more recent survey on what percentage of Iraqis agree with attacks on US trops because that was the last one done!!!!!
There was a poll a few weeks ago in southern Iraq that said 2% thought our occupation was positive.
You are pathetic!!!
February 9th, 2008 at 7:40 pmMillions were killed and wounded in Japan and Germany, that is a fact. I did not say “post-warâ€. You lied about that, blatantly.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:35 pm
My god, you're stupid. We never even invaded Japan. They surrendered before we occupied their territory. Besides, you are twisting what you said, and you aren't fooling anyone, which is why several other people here mocked you derisively for your claim.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:40 pmComplete nonsense. Ridiculous.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:39 pm
There's no connection between the two.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:41 pmGrasping at straws. Grasping, grasping, grasping, Pat.
Now back to the questions. Where are the WMD's? Where are the 17 million missing jobs? What evidence do you have that Bush isn't the worst president ever?
February 9th, 2008 at 7:42 pmRomney is rich, good looking, married to the same woman, God fearing, articulate, backed by the Republican establishment....and agrees with George Bush's policies....
February 9th, 2008 at 7:42 pmAND he lost the Republican Nomination because he could not win over a majority of REPUBLICAN VOTERS.
Poor GOPers. Their Saint Ronnie Reagan cut and ran from Lebanon and also negotiated with Iranian leaders who had held Americans hostage and also negotiated with Lebanese Hezbollah leaders who were holding Americans hostage.
Why did St. Reagan negotiate with terrorists?
Also WWRT(What Would Reagan Think) about the fact that George W. Bush has allowed the "mad dog of the Middle East", which is what Reagan called Ghaddaffy, to be welcomed back into the international fold after killing US citizens on Pan Am bombing over Lockerbie?
-GSD
February 9th, 2008 at 7:43 pmHe was acquitted because the Democrats in the Senate put party above country and voted in partisan lockstep.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:38 pm
He was acquitted because everyone knew it was a witch hunt by the far right.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:43 pmVerbalkint, victim testimony is considered evidence in every court of law in the United States. Her charges were quite credible.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:41 pm
What testimony? Telling a story to a reporter from a right wing newspaper isn't "testimony". Where is the indictment? Where is the conviction? Where is the corroboration? Victim testimony is worthless without corroboration.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:44 pmSo, WHAT IS the reason that Bush and Cheney REFUSED TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH and with NO RECORDS of the "hand-holding" before the 9/11 Commission?
SCARED that they would PERJURE themselves?
Daddy Bush was WITH Salim Bin Laden on 9/11.
This is KNOWN.
ALL these are FACTS.
God SEES the EVIL acts of GENOCIDE committed by the Bush WAR CRIMINALS and the PNAC (http://www.newamericancentury.org).
See the plans of this EVIL organization. Signed by Libby, Armitage, etc.
THEY control your government, with MORONS and TRAITORS like the Bushes and Ronald Reagan as their fronts.
The Bushes actually more that just DUPES like Reagan, who really BELIEVED in his SCHTICK, but his "I cannont recall" 50 or 100 times by Ronnie about Iran/Conta TREASON tells the story.
Poppy pardoned them ALL, calling the TRAITORS "patriots".
Junior commuted TRAITOR Libby's sentence of PERJURY and OBSTRUCTION of Justice.
"I cannot recall"
February 9th, 2008 at 7:45 pm--Reagan, Pointdexter, Gonzales, etc.
Why has Bush so weakened America that Iran feels free to harass US naval ships and to start up new nuclear plants?
I thought the US presence in Iraq was supposed to intimidate the regional tyrants? Yet Iran keeps telling Bush to STFU. Except of course when Bush is allowing his envoys to talk with the Iranians, which is something Bill Clinton didn't do.
Bill Clinton didn't negotiate with Ghaddaffy either. But Bush did!
-GSD
February 9th, 2008 at 7:45 pm“Check out this freak’s claim that millions of American soldiers were wounded in post-war Germany and Japan.â€
Verbalkint is obviously glying. I didn’t say that.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:31 pm
Verbal is NOT lying. Pat Small Pair DID say exactly that.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:46 pmNat, sexual harassment is not private. Jones’s suit was settled in her favor.
It was thrown out of court and instead of moving on with her bogus claims she said she was going to appeal. With that she got what she always wanted: a large pay day.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:46 pmComment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:34 pm
There is no more recent evidence than mine you *&^%$#! moron.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:46 pmMine is empirical. Your opinion is ignorant bullsh!t !!!!
Verbalkint, Whether I know where the WMD are, and whether the evidence was “fabricated†are unrelated questions. So what is your point?
My point is that you don't know squat. Now go study your WWII history again until you can get a passing grade. And try to stop thinking about Bill Clinton's sex life.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:46 pmWhy is Bush soft of leaders that Bill Clinton was harsh with?
-GSD
Well, it goes to explain why Al Qaeda decided to wait until there was a Republican in the Whitehouse and a Republican Congress before they decided to attack America.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:48 pmBroadrick told her story to liberal NBC News.
You said there was no evidence, but witness testimony is evidence. Therefore, you lied.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:46 pm
Her story would have been somewhat believable if she had said it twenty years earlier.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:49 pmBroadrick told her story to liberal NBC News.
You said there was no evidence, but witness testimony is evidence. Therefore, you lied.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:46 pm
Oh, I see. Telling her story to NBC News is the same as testifying in court. And when it is told to NBC News it is called "witness testimony" and "evidence". Was this in the Fourth District Court of NBC, perhaps?
Thanks for straightening me out, lunatic.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:49 pmAl Qaeda recently released a video that said they were not afraid of 'Toe Tapping Republicans'.
-GSD
February 9th, 2008 at 7:50 pmZarqawi pledged allegiance to Bin Laden back in 2004. Hence the connect between Al Qaeda in Iraq and Al Qaeda.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/profiles/abu_musab_al-zarqawi.htm
February 9th, 2008 at 7:50 pmPaula Jones' friends and relatives all said she was lying. She was the worst actress I have ever seen. I also would have paid her a couple hundred thousand dollars to just go away, too!!! She is one of the results of Mellon-Scaife's funded attempts to buy dirt on the Clinton's---like the non-scandal of WhiteWaterGate. They lost a few thousand on a condo deal 35 years ago. Big Deal!!! The "liberal" media gave us eight solid years of this bullsh!t !!!
February 9th, 2008 at 7:51 pmThere were at least 6 attacks during Clinton’s 8 years in office.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:50 pm
Worldwide terrorist attacks rose sharply under Bush, and his administration was busted trying to cover it up.
4,000 dead American soldiers, 29,000 wounded, and half a million dead Iraqi civilians (conservative estimate), Pat. Some success, huh?
February 9th, 2008 at 7:51 pmZarqawi pledged allegiance to Bin Laden back in 2004. Hence the connect between Al Qaeda in Iraq and Al Qaeda.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/ security/ profiles/ abu_musab_al-zarqawi.htm
Comment by Another Chris — February 9, 2008 @ 7:50 pm
Oh, you mean, a year AFTER we invaded Iraq, there was a tenuous connection established between the two organizations?
Thanks for clearing that up.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:51 pmPat, there are attacks in Iraq every day! There have been thousands of attacks during the Bush years. Thousands of attacks!
There were 7 US troops killed this weekend. There was a US diplomat killed in the Sudan last week.
-GSD
February 9th, 2008 at 7:52 pmZarqawi pledged allegiance to Bin Laden back in 2004. Hence the connect between Al Qaeda in Iraq and Al Qaeda.
Comment by Another Chris — February 9, 2008 @ 7:50 pm
It was a PR stunt. But taking your comment at face value, you are saying that Bush introduced Al Qaeda to Iraq where it didn't exist before. Bush turned Iraq into a terrorist recruiting and training ground. This is the conclusion of our own intelligence agencies, by the way.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:53 pmI’m sure you said the exact same thing about Anita Hill. LOL
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:51 pm
I'm too young to remember any of that but I think Hill's claims were more up to date than Broderick's.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:54 pmHe may be a lunatic, he may be logically challenged, but you gotta give Pat Small Pair some credit for the sheer energy of his spinning.
I'm curious; how many Red Bulls does it take to maintain this kind of manic literary diarrhea this long?
February 9th, 2008 at 7:55 pmHere’s another whopper Kieth can’t back up: “Paula Jones’ friends and relatives all said she was lyingâ€
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:52 pm
I saw one of Paula Jones friends interviewed on television. She said Jones was making it up. This is what you call "witness testimony", Pat. Live with it.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:55 pmI’m too young to remember any of that but I think Hill’s claims were more up to date than Broderick’s.
Comment by Nat — February 9, 2008 @ 7:54 pm
Hill's allegations were well corroborated.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:57 pmBill Clinton kept America safe after the first World Trade Center attack because there was not another attack on the US mainland.
So Bill Clintons's record was much better than Bush's.
18 dead in Somalia and one attack on the WTC that killed 5.
Bush, 3,958 dead in Iraq and 2,900 at the WTC.
What an awful record Bush has.
Poor GOP-ers can't accept the fact that Bush has been a disaster.
Russia has even begun their bombing flights again and China is telling US ships to go screw and not dock in Taiwan.
Why has Bush weakened the US sooooooo much?
-GSD
February 9th, 2008 at 7:57 pmThere were at least 6 attacks during Clinton’s 8 years in office.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:50 pm
Worldwide terrorist attacks rose sharply under Bush, and his administration was busted trying to cover it up.
4,000 dead American soldiers, 29,000 wounded, and half a million dead Iraqi civilians (conservative estimate), Pat. Some success, huh?
Comment by VerbalKint — February 9, 2008 @ 7:51 pm
Yup.
I hope when Bush DROPS DEAD and goes to hell, his MASTER Satan SMASHED his FACE in EVERY SECOND for ETERNITY.
God's PUNISHMENT for the MURDEROUS acts of this EVIL little COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA.
And all their azslicker supporters, like Pat2, TREASONOUS DoD PSYOPS:
http://www.iwar.org.uk/iwar/
The DoD information Operations Roadmap, 2.4 MB, is a declassified DoD document describing the activities of TRAITORS like "pat2", etc.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
February 9th, 2008 at 7:57 pmThe poll, done for University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes, found:
_Almost four in five Iraqis say the U.S. military force in Iraq provokes more violence than it prevents.
_About 61 percent approved of the attacks _ up from 47 percent in January. A solid majority of Shiite and Sunni Arabs approved of the attacks, according to the poll. The increase came mostly among Shiite Iraqis.
_An overwhelmingly negative opinion of terror chief bin Laden and more than half, 57 percent, disapproving of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
_Three-fourths say they think the United States plans to keep military bases in Iraq permanently.
The PIPA poll, which included an oversample of 150 Sunni Iraqis, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
The State Department, meanwhile, has also conducted its own poll, something it does periodically, spokesman Sean McCormack said. The State Department poll found that two-thirds of Iraqis in Baghdad favor an immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces, according to The Washington Post. McCormack declined to discuss details of the department's Iraq poll.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:58 pmVerbalkint, So we’ve quickly gone from “all of Paula Jones’s friends†to “one of Paula Jones’s friends. LOL
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:57 pm
I never said "all". Someone else said that. I was just providing what you already have stated is sufficient evidence to establish the truth, the "witness testimony" to a television reporter. Can you not be consistent? What is wrong with your brain?
And tell us again, how many Americans died in Japan in the last 50 years?
February 9th, 2008 at 7:59 pmFreinds saying Paula Jones lied? Hmmm...
Most damaging, Taylor told Salon, are statements by Carol Phillips, a former receptionist in then-Gov. Clinton's office who was friendly with Jones. In an interview with Taylor for an article that appeared in Monday's Legal Times, Phillips said that the day after the alleged harassment incident, Jones "came by the governor's office," and, "in a happy and excited manner," volunteered the information that "she went up to meet the governor and they met in a room and they just talked." Phillips told Taylor that she concluded that their meeting had been "totally innocent." Taylor also quoted Phillips as saying that Jones had described Clinton during the meeting as "very gentle with her. I remember her saying, 'He is so sweet, he is such a gentle person.'" Against Jones' complaint that Clinton's alleged sexual advances left her "frightened and horrified" (Jones charges Clinton dropped his trousers and asked for oral sex), Taylor said Phillips' statements "make her case look less compelling ... If Jones has been lying about that, she may be lying about other things."
February 9th, 2008 at 8:00 pmVerbalkint, was “Paula Jones’s friend†in the room with Clinton, like Juanita Broadrick was?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:57 pm
Paula Jones told her friend that she had consensual sex with Bill Clinton. What is your problem with consensual sex? That you never get any?
February 9th, 2008 at 8:01 pmVerbalkint, was “Paula Jones’s friend†in the room with Clinton, like Juanita Broadrick was?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 7:57 pm
This makes her story even more unbelievable. The friend witnessed the rape and didn't contact the police.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:02 pmVerbalkint, hearsay is not evidence.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:00 pm
Uncorroborated charges are not evidence. Where is the indictment? Where is the conviction? Why wasn't it investigated? Ken Starr knew about the charge. His team spent $50 million hounding Clinton, but never went anywhere with the Broadrick thing. Why is that, Pat?
February 9th, 2008 at 8:02 pmBush does NOTHING BUT LIE.
He is a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA.
END of STORY.
The Dems neet to ARREST this TRAITOR and jail him in Gitmo till he DROPS DEAD.
ENEMY COMBATANT..
February 9th, 2008 at 8:03 pm$50 million, and the most that Starr could do was box Clinton into fibbing about having consensual sex with Lewinski.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:04 pmPat, I don't usually repost something, but I am going to make a special exception for you, because of your mind-numbing stupidity. Here goes, Pat, and I want you to read each word out loud:
Where is the indictment? Where is the conviction? Why wasn’t it investigated? Ken Starr knew about the charge. His team spent $50 million hounding Clinton, but never went anywhere with the Broadrick thing. Why is that, Pat?
February 9th, 2008 at 8:05 pmNat, what? Broadrick was the victim, not a witness.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:03 pm
America and the WORLD have been VICTIMS of TRAITOR Bush the COXUCKER punk and his PNAC WAR CRIMINALS.
BURN IN HELL, Nazi TRAITORS!
February 9th, 2008 at 8:05 pmHe wasn’t hired to investigate the Braodrick matter.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:05 pm
Umm, dips**t, Starr was hired to investigate Whitewater, not Clinton's sex life.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:06 pmStarr caught Clinton lying under oath.
Why did Bush and Cheney REFUSE to TESTIFY UNDER OATH.
Or let Rove or Miers testify UNDER OATH.
Because they are TREASONOUS Nazis who HATE AMERICA?
And are WAR CRIMINALS?
Yup., TRAITOR Pat2, they ARE!!!
February 9th, 2008 at 8:07 pmPerhaps our little genius Pat can explain how consensual sex with Lewinski was connected to Whitewater. Can you explain that, Pat?
February 9th, 2008 at 8:07 pmSo then you loons should never again call President Bush a criminal.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:06 pm
Don't worry about that, Pat, the statute of limitations hasn't run out on Bush's many crimes yet.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:08 pmPat, can you tell us what the point of all this is? Is it to defend Bush, the worst president ever? Bill Clinton hasn't been president for seven years. What is your bizarre obsession with the guy? That the ladies like him?
February 9th, 2008 at 8:10 pm“Where is the indictment? Where is the conviction? â€
So then you loons should never again call President Bush a criminal.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:06 pm
When he PARDONS a convicted CRIMINAL like Libby, HIS ASSISTANT, to cover his OWN TREASONOUS azs,
yes we SHOULD.
And WILL.
Thanks for playing...
BURN IN HELL with TRAITORS Ronnie Reagan and Bush SOON now..
February 9th, 2008 at 8:10 pmPat, you are lunatic.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:10 pmVerbalkint, Wrong again. Starr was asked by Democrat Janet Reno to investigate allegations that Clinton lied under oath.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:08 pm
After the far right pursued her relentlessly over it. I think she agreed to it to show some independence from the White House. That was a stupid move - bending to the whims of the far right.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:12 pmLibby was Bush's Assistant.
Assistant to the President.
Bush PARDONED his CRIMINAL ASSISTANT to COVER HIS OWN TREASON.
Game. Set. CONVICTION.
HELL FOR ETERNITY with MASTER Satan and Ronnie Reagan...
February 9th, 2008 at 8:12 pmHe wasn’t hired to investigate the Braodrick matter.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:05 pm
he wasn't hired to investigate the Lewisnky matter, either. But that didn't stop him.
The Starr commission produced a 480 page report, of which fewer than twenty even dealt with Wihtewater -- the "scandal" that he had been hired to investigate.
I hardly think Starr would have declined to investigate the Broadrick matter if there was any political meat there.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:12 pmBush has been a good president in very difficult times.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:11 pm
He's the worst and he is in large part responsible for these difficult times.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:14 pmVerbalkint, The point is to refute all your lies and distortions.
Bush has been a good president in very difficult times.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:11 pm
February 9th, 2008 at 8:15 pmWant to buy some magic beans ?
Claude Allen was Bush's assistant and he was a common thief.
Davdi Safavian worked for Bush and he's been convicted too.
Jack Abramoff had close ties to the Whitehouse and he was a crook.
Bush's Whitehouse is full of crooks and felons.
Not to mention internet hustlers like Jeff Gannon.
-GSD
February 9th, 2008 at 8:15 pmThe WORLD will CELEBRATE when TRAITOR Bush DROPS DEAD.
Another MURDERER gone, just like Saddam and Ronnie Reagan...
February 9th, 2008 at 8:16 pmNat can’t back up any of his ludicrous claims.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:15 pm
Of course I can.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:16 pmThis is a lie, ralph: “he wasn’t hired to investigate the Lewisnky matter, eitherâ€
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:14 pm
You're havig some trouble keeping the truth apart from your wrong-wing delusions. I understand.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Starr: In August 1994 Starr was appointed by a three-judge panel to continue the Whitewater investigation, replacing Robert B. Fiske, who had been appointed by the Attorney General prior to the reenactment of the Independent Counsel law.
Monica Lewinsky did not even start as an intern in the White House until July 1995.
Kind of odd, then, that you would claim that Starr was hired in 1994 to investigate a woman who at the time was a senior in college in Oregon.
Care to explain?
February 9th, 2008 at 8:20 pm#263
Comment by Nat — February 9, 2008 @ 6:57 pm
I don’t live here.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:18 pm
You mean planet Earth ?
Yeah , we already knew that.........
February 9th, 2008 at 8:20 pmNat, good luck with the DoD PSYOPS, Pat2 and Tracy2, and whatever person is at the other side of a KVM logged in with 20 different accounts.
http://www.iwar.org.uk/iwar/
Remember, PSYOPS people, God SEES your support of MURDERER Bush and KNOWS your heart and your LIES.
Better REPENT, or risk being in the FIRE with TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan and the Bush family.
God Bless America and REAL Americans (not Bush and his supporters).
And the WORLD, who KNOWS Bush is a LIAR and MURDERER.
Gotta run, Nazis!
February 9th, 2008 at 8:22 pm#277
Comment by Nat — February 9, 2008 @ 7:01 pm
You think that those 2000 people were killed by Bush?
Comment by Tracy2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:20 pm
No
More like over a million
February 9th, 2008 at 8:22 pmOh well, it's the weekend, I guess we're stuck with the second team trolls; Pat2, Tracy2.. I wonder when Frank2 is going to show up? Or maybe BigFool2? Perhaps BillHilly2?
Jeez. No wonder they keep stepping on their d!cks.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:23 pmYou think that those 2000 people were killed by Bush?
Comment by Tracy2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:20 pm
Yes, through negligence.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:26 pmOh well, it’s the weekend, I guess we’re stuck with the second team trolls; Pat2, Tracy2.. I wonder when Frank2 is going to show up? Or maybe BigFool2? Perhaps BillHilly2?
Jeez. No wonder they keep stepping on their d!cks.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 9, 2008 @ 8:23 pm
Do you REALLY NOT think it might be 2 DoD PSYOPS tied into a bunch of computer accounts instead of a bunch of "trolls"?
http://www.iwar.org/uk/iwar/
February 9th, 2008 at 8:26 pmThen why haven’t you?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:16 pm
What specifically do you want and I'll post them?
February 9th, 2008 at 8:27 pmSo, pat, still think it's a lie to claim that Ken Starr wasn't hired to investigate the Lewinsky matter?
Apology accepted.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:28 pmComment by Nat — February 9, 2008 @ 6:57 pm
I don’t live here.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:18 pm
Why do you wait to respond when people have already moved on from an issue? I've seen dead threads where you've responded to people. It's pathetic.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:30 pmOh, wait -- you didn't apologize, did you?
February 9th, 2008 at 8:31 pmComment by Tracy2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:18 pm
Why do you wait to respond when people have already moved on from an issue? I’ve seen dead threads where you’ve responded to people. It’s pathetic.
Comment by Nat — February 9, 2008 @ 8:30 pm
It's the only way she can post a comment without having its flaws and delusions dissected and spread across the forum for all to see and laugh at.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:32 pmComment by Arn Gunnutes — February 9, 2008 @ 8:26 pm
I'd hate to think that our Defense Dept. hires people this stoopid!!!
February 9th, 2008 at 8:33 pmComment by Arn Gunnutes — February 9, 2008 @ 8:26 pm
I’d hate to think that our Defense Dept. hires people this stoopid!!!
Comment by Keith — February 9, 2008 @ 8:33 pm
February 9th, 2008 at 8:35 pmYeah , because the appointment of Bumsfeld was a stroke of genius .........
... did I hurt the feelings of Pat Small Pair or sumpin'?
February 9th, 2008 at 8:42 pmBumsfeld had intelligence and totally wrong policies, assumptions, objectives, etc. Many neocons are like that--Perle, Wolfowitz, etc.
Our guests today are just stoopid.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:43 pmThen why haven’t you?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:16 pm
he's waiting for you to tell one single truth. he'll need a lot of patience.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:43 pmDefending America from terrorists still isn’t a crime, despite the pathetic efforts of the Democrats.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:09 pm
well, not defending America from terrorists, like Bush has accomplished, is a crime, and Bush is guilty. thanks for 9/11, repukes.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:45 pmDid the trolls all go on coffee break?
February 9th, 2008 at 8:53 pmMaybe the trolls all went to the men's room together?
February 9th, 2008 at 8:53 pmLooks like pat2 has run off to patch up the bloody stumps of her ideas, trampled underfoot by the facts that the left brings to a discussion, as opposed to the hate-filled lies and rants of the jealous, crazed right-wing psychos that still lick chimpy's ass.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:55 pmDid the trolls all go on coffee break?
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 9, 2008 @ 8:53 pm
The sun was shining today in Portland and it wasn't raining! So I've been away from the computer. I see one of our banned trolls has wandered back and y'all have been entertaining yourselves kicking it around, like a hackysac. Watch out for the cooties!
February 9th, 2008 at 8:55 pmYeah, gum, I got into the fray late but still got a few shots in. Verbal and Keith did the bulk of the damage, at least in the later stages.
Good aerobic workout.
February 9th, 2008 at 9:01 pmJeez. No wonder they keep stepping on their d!cks.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 9, 2008 @ 8:23 pm
If those twits are stepping on their own dicks, then they've got some of the shortest legs ever.
February 9th, 2008 at 9:16 pmoh ho man! what a hoot THAT was!...
i quit reading this when it turned into gradeschool, long about the 200 mark, with 299 comments, hours ago... i come back when there's 450...
i swear, when i was scrolling down i saw "paula jones" there...
you boys... just can't help yourselves...
anyway, this completely cracked me up:
433. #263
Comment by Nat — February 9, 2008 @ 6:57 pm
I don’t live here.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:18 pm
[...]
434. #277
Comment by Nat — February 9, 2008 @ 7:01 pm
You think that those 2000 people were killed by Bush?
Comment by Tracy2 — February 9, 2008 @ 8:20 pm
that one always comes back late to play with itself...
PAULA JONES??? STILL???
February 9th, 2008 at 9:18 pmDid the trolls all go on coffee break?
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 9, 2008 @ 8:53 pm
Either the meth wore off or Mommie came home and is using the dial up.
February 9th, 2008 at 9:18 pmNat @ 8:30 pm, noticed that also... funny...
February 9th, 2008 at 9:21 pmI hope we never surrender to the terrorists: Bush, McCain, Mittie, Cheney and the Republics. Greed, hubris, crony capitalism all placed before the good of the entire USA. Traitors.
February 9th, 2008 at 9:25 pmL O L ... great laughs after the 450 mark...
February 9th, 2008 at 9:27 pmthanks guys...
..using the dial up.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 9, 2008 @ 9:18 pm
Nothing wrong with dial up! :-D
February 9th, 2008 at 9:40 pmYaaaassss... I know, Z. ;-D!
February 9th, 2008 at 9:52 pmThe war and occupation in Iraq, in addition to being a huge strategic blunder, has hampered our ability to bring the real perps of 9/11 to justice.
Yes, I'm talking about Bin Bushen...
February 9th, 2008 at 10:01 pmGod God... Clinton lied?
What did he say... "George Bush is an honest man"?
At least he didn't start a war on lies and get a million people killed.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:01 pmYes. One person can be hired to do more than one job. Starr was asked by Democrat Janet Reno to investigate the allegation, later proved to be true, that Bill Clinton lied under oath.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 9:57 pm
both allegations untrue. Clinton never convicted, starr never hired to investigate Lewinsky. Your lies are weak and pathetic. It shows that you and your party have nothing for the American people except the hatred of America and the filth of your damaged souls.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:04 pmGeorge Bush is an honest man.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 10:04 pm
That's a lie easy to disprove. No honest man promises the tropps what he did and then pulls it away a week later. George Bush is a piece of shit. As are you.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:05 pmSo Bill Clintons’s record was much better than Bush’s. 18 dead in Somalia and one attack on the WTC that killed 5.
Comment by GSD — February 9, 2008 @ 7:57 pm
I'm sorry but Bill Clinton didn't send American troops to Somalia. George Bush Sr. sent our troops to Somalia in December of 1992, just before he left office. Bush Sr. left his mess for Bill Clinton. And now Bush Jr. will leave his mess in Iraq for the next President.
sigh..........
February 9th, 2008 at 10:11 pmAnd stop trying to pretend you care about the troops. It’s just not at all credible.
come on, does anyone really care about the troops? the right wing's greatest "success" the last 7 years was creating this strange "you hate the troops" or "you support the troops" divide, so as to deflect from the real issue of whether the war was/is justified on legal, moral and finanical grounds.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:12 pmLegal, not a chance.
moral, you got al lot of gall, what, you have a gallcart you push around on the street?
financial? Ah the real reason, the oil we want to control...
February 9th, 2008 at 10:36 pmJanet Reno did in fact ask Starr to investigate Clinton’s lying under oath. And it is indisputable that Clinton did in fact lie under oath.
And stop trying to pretend you care about the troops. It’s just not at all credible.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 10:08 pm
What's your source on this assertion of "fact"? Any link, any document to back up this alleged request of Janet Reno for Ken Starr to investigate "Clinton's lying under oath" about Monica Lewinsky?
When exactly did this additional "hiring" take place?
It's kind of odd, because Ken Starr didn't even learn of the affair with Lewinsky unil January of 1998, after he'd been investigating Clinton for almost four years. So... exactly when did Janet Reno ask Ken Starr to "investigate Clinton's lying under oath" abut Monica Lewinsky?
(Of course, you realize that Janet Reno ddn't even "hire" Starr in the first place, right? He was appointed by a three-judge panel, none of whom was the Attorney General. But you knew that.)
February 9th, 2008 at 10:39 pmRalph, I do believe that you have called complete bullshit on the Pat2 reasoning deficient troll..
Ding, Ding Ding!
February 9th, 2008 at 10:40 pmSince when is a war ever justified on "financial grounds"?
Hmm... that sounds a little bit like making war for the benefit of people in the war business who just happen to have powerful friends in government...
February 9th, 2008 at 10:41 pmThe war was justified on legal, moral, and financial grounds.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 10:14 pm
February 9th, 2008 at 10:45 pmIf so , I'd like to see those "grounds" you claim ............
The war was justified on legal, moral, and financial grounds.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 10:14 pm
If so , I’d like to see those “grounds†you claim …………
Comment by MCMetal — February 9, 2008 @ 10:45 pm
February 9th, 2008 at 10:59 pmYeah , I kind of figured you couldn't/wouldn't , you GOP/Chimpy lying suckhole ............
Legal:
http://www.globalpolicy.org/wtc/targets/2002/0329iraq.htm
Key phrase:
"There is no provision for enforcement in the resolution which authorises states to carry out military action," said Durham University's Professor Colin Warbrick. "It's for the Security Council to decide what action to take."
Moral:
http://aphilosopher.wordpress.com/2007/06/26/the-moral-irony-of-the-iraq-war/
Key phrase:
There is a terrible moral irony in the fact that the moral justifications for the Iraq war would also seem to morally justify attacks on the United States.
Financial? Yeah, that's our oil, they're just babysitting it for us.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:01 pmU-SAP-2 has no moral, legal of financial anything. Nuttin.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:03 pmSome leftist professor and some blogger ar against the war, that’s definitive! LOL
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 11:02 pm
February 9th, 2008 at 11:07 pmThat would make them 2 individuals out of 75% of the American population , skid mark........ROFLMAO.
Some leftist professor and some blogger ar against the war, that’s definitive! LOL
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 11:02 pm
It's two sources more than you've managed to produce.
By the way, still waiting on your definitive source on janet reno's hiring of Ken Starr to investigate the Lewinsky matter...
February 9th, 2008 at 11:09 pmUnder Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter, to which the United States is a party, a nation's use of force is authorized under only two circumstances: in individual or collective self-defense, as outlined in Article 51, or pursuant to a Security Council resolution, as outlined in Article 42.
Since it was not directly attacked by Iraq the United States did not have an obvious right to self-defense.
The 15-member United Nations Security Council did not authorize the March 19, 2003 attack on Iraq. It unanimously passed Resolution 1441 on November 8, 2002, calling for new inspections intended to find and eliminate Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. (The Arms Control Association provides a chronology of previous weapons inspections in Iraq.) Iraq accepted the renewed inspections, which were to be carried out by UNMOVIC and the IAEA. Under the terms of the resolution, if Iraq obstructed their work, the chief inspectors were to report promptly back to the Security Council, which would "convene immediately" to consider the situation and "the need for full compliance." The resolution also threatened "serious consequences" if Iraq failed to comply.
The United States, backed by Britain and Spain, began to seek a second U.N. resolution to declare Iraq in material breach of its obligation to disarm. Veto-wielding permanent members France, Russia and China, as well as a number of other members, preferred to give inspectors more time on the premise that inspections were working. Up against a deeply divided Council, the U.S. pulled its proposal on March 17.
from http://www.hrcr.org/hottopics/Iraq.html
February 9th, 2008 at 11:13 pmSo on what legal grounds do you base your statement??? USAP2?
February 9th, 2008 at 11:14 pmLegality and morality are not determined by polls, you nut. LOL
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 11:09 pm
You're right. Of course, that assertion undercuts YOUR dismissal of the sources that RUC presented to you as well, since legality and morality are not determined by ideology, either.
Legality is determined by, y'know, LAWS.
Morality is more subjective, being determined by the internal values and choices each of us, and our culture at large, possess.
But both characteristics require some form of logical basis on which to rest authority. You have offered nothing.
And you've completely abandoned your claim that the war was financially justified as well. I see that as a wise choice tactically, although it makes you look kind of weak and flip-floppy.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:16 pmLegality and morality are not determined by polls, you nut. LOL
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 11:09 pm
February 9th, 2008 at 11:16 pmAnd they're even influenced less by a lying sack of shit GOP/Chimpy rim licking twit.........LOL
Geez, McMetal, why do these asswipe trolls bother even coming around here.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:21 pmThey get their asses handed to them, without a napkin even, then scurry off back to their rat holes.
That resolution required the chymp to present information back to the congress, which he never did.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:23 pmHe just parroted the phrases back without any meaningful substance. Therefore, he did not meet the standard set in that law to engage in war with Iraq.
Watch RUCerious fail again to provide any evidence.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 11:27 pm
Funny you should mention providing evidence...
Got any evidence for ANY of your claims, such as, oh, I don't know... let's start with Janet Reno hiring Ken Starr to investigate the Monica Lewinsky matter?
February 9th, 2008 at 11:30 pm“So on what legal grounds do you base your statement??? USAP2?â€
The bipartisan Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002, passed by the US Senate by a vote of 77-23, You know, a LAW?
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 11:20 pm
February 9th, 2008 at 11:35 pmA Senate authorization to use force as a "last resort" (which Chimpy ignored , BTW) , doesn't usurp international law , which the retarded simian in the Oval Office did indeed do , shitstain.........
Ah, so federal laws you disagree with don’t count? OK.
LOL
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 11:37 pm
February 9th, 2008 at 11:40 pmInternational laws are US law if the are signed by the US , Ally McBeal........LOL.........Dummy
No such international law exists, so the president could not have violated it.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 11:43 pm
Violation of The United Nations Charter
Chapter 1, Article 2 of the UN Charter states:
3.All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.
4.All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
Violation of the Nuremberg Principles defining "War Crimes"
Principle Vl of the Nuremberg Principles states:
The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under; international law:
a. Crimes against peace:
i. Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or
a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances;
ii .Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment
of any of the acts mentioned under (i).
-------------------------------------------------------
Try again , Chimpy leg humping skid mark............
February 9th, 2008 at 11:47 pmOh, I see, Pat Small Pair. When you said "Hired to investigate Clinton lying under oath" you really meant "authorized to follow up on the tangential story your wide-ranging investigation already turned up of a young girl lying under oath".
How could I have missed that?
Interesting, isn't it, that an Attorney General would authorize such an investigation of her own administration? I guess a blow job was just too dangerous to national security for her to, in good conscience, let it go uninvestigated. I wonder what it would take for a Republican Attorney General to agree to such an investigation by a partisan prosecutor with a history of activism for the other party?
Maybe using government resources for partisan electoral purposes? Severe damage to the impartiality of the Justice Department itself? No, that wouldn't do it.
What would it take for that kind of integrity to show itself in a Republican administration? Any thoughts?
February 9th, 2008 at 11:52 pmYou try again. Liberating the Iraqi people from Saddam Huddein didn’t violate any of that.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 11:50 pm
Umm , no , chuckles ; you lie again.
That wasn't Chimpy and Co's initial lie for invading Iraq ; it was those non-existent "WMD's" , remember ?
February 9th, 2008 at 11:53 pmYou try again. Liberating the Iraqi people from Saddam Huddein didn’t violate any of that.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 11:50 pm
Apparently, to Pat Small Pair, denial IS just a river in Egypt.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:54 pmPresident Bush didn’t lie about Iraq or WMD.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 11:53 pm
Yes he did.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:56 pmPresident Bush didn’t lie about Iraq or WMD.
Comment by Pat2 — February 9, 2008 @ 11:53 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
According to whom ?
You ?
ROFLMAO............Then where are those non-existent WMD's , Sherlock ?
February 9th, 2008 at 11:57 pm#501 - see #488..
The law further required that Bush notify the Speaker of the House and the President of the Senate (the Vice President of the U.S.) before exercising the war powers that were being handed him, and to justify his actions at that time.
from the statute:
He was required by statute to make available to the speaker of the house his determination that –
1 reliance by the US on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either A, will not adequately protect the national security of the US against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or B is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant UN Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq and
2. acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the US and other countries to take the necessary actions against international terrorist and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on 9/11/01.
Since he did not certify section 2, as Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, he is in violation of this resolution. And he knew it all along.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:59 pmYes he did.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:00 amRUC, why are you quoting statutes like they're the law or something?
Pat Small Pair knows that legality isn't made by polls, or by blogs, or by laws... it's made by one man, doing what God told him to do. (At least, I'm pretty sure it was God. It sounded a lot like God. But then again, it also sounded a lttle bit like Unca Dick with his hands cupped in front of his mouth on the intercom... I don't know, I was pretty wasted at the time...)
February 10th, 2008 at 12:04 amacting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the US and other countries to take the necessary actions against international terrorist and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on 9/11/01.
Explain how this condition was met.
Keep in mind that it's already been demonstrated that Saddam had no working relationship with al Qeada -- in fact, he was openly distrustful of them, and even your president has admitted that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. (He didn't want to admit it, but he kinda had no choice.)
February 10th, 2008 at 12:17 amAh, yes, Tracy2nd string has shown up once more, challenging posts made almost four hours earlier.
Classy move.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:28 amIf I thought like one of these nutrooters, I could say, †Clinton killed over a bazillion Americans every day for eight years.â€
Comment by Pat2 — February 10, 2008 @ 12:27 am
You mean, if you thought like one of these hypothetical posters who type outlandish things with no facts or links to back them up? Oh wait -- you do. So I guess you can say "Clinton killed over a bazillion Americans every day for eight years."
Might as well. It's not like your credibility will take a hit.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:32 amWhat is the official nutroots time limit? LOL
Comment by Pat2 — February 10, 2008 @ 12:30 am
No official "time limit' LOL
Just a really ballsy manuever. LOL
The move of someone who's really looking to engage in a real discussion LOL
Sorry I had to explain it to you, but I understand the limitations under which you struggle.
LOL
February 10th, 2008 at 12:34 amLucky for me, ralph is not the judge of my credibility. LOL
Comment by Pat2 — February 10, 2008 @ 12:34 am
Unlucky for you, the entire community IS the judge of your credibility.
I'm fairly confident that the general feeling is that it's wanting. I get this feeling from the overwhelming uniformity of the responses to your comments.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:44 amI understand your attention span and others here is short.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 10, 2008 @ 12:42 am
Yeah, you're right. it's an attention span issue.
It has nothing to do with the relative safety of responding to a post four hours later, when the original poster is no longer online or has moved on to other threads.
Right.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:47 amLucky for me, I have no interest in the nutroots’ judgments.
Comment by Pat2 — February 10, 2008 @ 12:47 am
No surprise. You proved long ago that you have no interest in anything anyone else has to say. (Not really sure what the "nutroots" is, though. Is that the latest right-wing sixth-grade insult?) The only question is: why do you spend so much time here?
February 10th, 2008 at 12:56 amIf we are the "nutroot" then the empty, lying envelope of protoplasm that is pat2 and their ilk are the "war-root" or also like Peacknik, they are Warnik.
February 10th, 2008 at 8:37 amAll war, all the time.
McBush will collapse under his own vacuum of sucking so bad.
dbadass
STILL WAITING genius!!!
Comment by John Kerry — February 9, 2008 @ 5:48 pm
It was pretty easy to figure out. Just list the top 5 imagined sterotypes you have for groups and then list them by how much you despise them. Would liberals be before or after the terrorist. All I am asking is that you rank your hate/fear. Got it this time? Was the genius comment intended to be insulting or ingratiating?
February 10th, 2008 at 10:22 amI call it like it is. Anyone that wants my vote has to earn it.
By their works, you will know them.
Comment by Wayne
Wayne is an admitted ex republican.....he knows nothing of loyalty. He is out for himself only. Sound like a group of people we all know?
Don't suggest anything positive about any of the Clintons around him because the republican in him just has to come out......
February 10th, 2008 at 10:41 amMURDERER Bush is a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA.
The WORLD knows it.
REAL Americans know it.
Only the deniers and the TREASONOUS DoD PSYOPS who put TRAITORS like Bush over their COUNTRY, the USA, try to say otherwise.
No problem.
WAR CRIMES TRIALS and JAIL for Bush, Cheney and their PNAC WAR CRIMINALS.
Starting in 2009.
SWEET!!!
February 10th, 2008 at 12:10 pmRolling out all the psycho-trolls really get the threads pumpin', don't it.
I see all the most famous dummies made it their mission to "strut their stuff" all over this thread in particular,
because it highlights how the loser Cheerleader Prince has cocked up everything about terrorism.
too bad he let them get away with 9.11 - he never should've let HW's crazy old fishin' buddies make him do that.
what an embarrassment the cheerleader prince is, and what shameful cowards these righties are. every last one of them.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:46 pmFred @ 10:41 am - you've topped your jerk self here...
and crossed into liar territory... so it's official...
February 10th, 2008 at 4:52 pm