Bush: If Candidates Are ‘Talking About Me,’ Republicans ‘Have A Better Chance Of Winning’
Bush: If Candidates Are ‘Talking About Me,’ Republicans ‘Have A Better Chance Of Winning’
In an interview with Fox News, President Bush argued that if his agenda and record are made central issues in the upcoming presidential election, then the Republican nominee stands “a better chance of winning” because the election won’t be about him:
My attitude is, so long as they’re talking about me, we have a better chance of winning because our candidate will — what’s going to matter is not the past but the future when it comes to campaigns.
If the Democrat Party feels like they can win an election by focusing on me, I think they’d be making a huge tactical mistake. But I hope they do that then because our candidate will be able to talk about the future.
Watch it:
Elections are about the future, and Americans are eagerly anticipating the end of the Bush era. But, Bush will play a central role in the upcoming presidential contest because the leading conservative candidates are espousing a “third Bush term” as their policy agenda.
Bush essentially conceded this morning that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) will best carry on his agenda. “I know [McCain] well. I know his convictions,” Bush said. “I know the principles that drive him. And no doubt in my mind he’s a true conservative.” He added:
I think that if John’s the nominee, he has got some convincing to do to convince people that he is a solid conservative. And I’ll be glad to help him if he’s the nominee. Look, he’s very strong on national defense. He’s tough fiscally. He believes that tax cuts ought to be permanent. He’s pro-life. I mean, he’s a — his principles are sound and solid as far as I’m concerned.
In Jan. 2007, Newsweek conducted a poll asking Americans if “they wish the Bush presidency [were] simply over.” Fifty-eight percent of respondents said they did, including 59 percent of independents and 21 percent of Republicans.
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He’s stoned again.
February 10th, 2008 at 10:55 amBush: “Look at me, look at me. I’m still relevant, really…..”
February 10th, 2008 at 10:56 amAs usual Bush’s comments make absolutely no sense.
They trained him to manipulate hyperreality and now he just spews words.
February 10th, 2008 at 10:56 amPresident Bush says:
“If the Democrat Party feels like they can win an election by focusing on me, I think they’d be making a HUGE TACTICAL MISTAKE.”
This from the architect of the Iraq War.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:00 amBush is running scared that a Democrat will be elected and his criminal house of cards will be tumbled down.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:01 amWhere do Obama and Clinton stand on facilitating previously blocked investrigations?
February 10th, 2008 at 11:03 amThosw who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Bush is repeating a Karl Rove approved talking point.
This comes from the leader of a party that still talks about Bill Clinton and blames him for everything 8 years after he left office.
keep drinking Monkey Nuts, we all, except for the 24% bitter enders, think you are a loser.
-GSD
February 10th, 2008 at 11:04 amOh please, yes, GWB, campaign with McCain.
Tie yourself & your failed presidency around St. John’s neck like an anchor.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:07 amAll Bush did throughout his 2000 campaign was ridicule, attack and smear President Clinton. He also lied and misrepresented President Clinton’s record. You could easily make a case that the central theme of Bush’s campaign was running against President Clinton.
The Democratic nominee is going to promise to undo the myriad of damage Bush has done to America, while Old Man McCain is going to promise to be the third Bush term.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:09 amDang, he can’t even pull off the ol’ “briar-patch” strategy worth a damn.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:09 amI think the fate of the previously blocked investigations will depend more on the efforts of the committe chairmen in congress, and how successfull we all are at voting the “Blockers” out of office.
And whether whistleblowers will come forward, once Bush is out of office.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:11 amOk, if nothing else, this shows how delusional Bush has become. His poll show him at 30%, polls show that something like 70% of the people in this country think our country is going in the wrong direction and close to 70% want us out of Iraq. And then there is the recession we are in.
How in the hell can he think that will help the Republican candidate?
Is there any provision in the constitution for removing a President who has gone bat shit crazy?
February 10th, 2008 at 11:17 amBush is such a moron that he doesn’t realize that the spin he is pushing is the spin to marginalize his presidency.
But he is too bone-dumb to know.
That is indeed funny.
-GSD
February 10th, 2008 at 11:18 ameven the trolls don’t want to talk about “w”…
February 10th, 2008 at 11:19 amOnly 58% want him gone???
Wow… Americans are even stupider than I though.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:23 amAnd whether whistleblowers will come forward, once Bush is out of office.
Comment by Badger
I think this is going to be the key. Someone wrote here that both Obama and Clinton have said they want to move on after Bush is out of office. I’m not sure if that is true, but if some really nasty stuff comes out in committee investigations after Bush has left office, the sitting President will have to do something about it. Can you imagine them saying, OK, so Bush did break the law and commit a really big crime, let’s all let it go and move on. I don’t think the American public would let that President get away with not taking action.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:23 amWhat cowards…
Continually trying to find ways to get us back to the 17th century…
February 10th, 2008 at 11:24 amReality is a world this clown has yet to visit.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:25 amY’know, if Bush were a regular in some local bar, and talked the kind of divorced-from-reality sh!t that he talks as president, everyone would love him, because he’d be this harmless, delusional fellow who could provide entertainment just by asking him a simple question. You’d have to humor him, of course — pretend that you took him seriously, but that would be enough for him to feel good about himself. He’d feel like he had friends.
That’s where he belongs. Instead the fu(kstick regressives had to nominate the twit for president so that their Dark Lord could perform the most high-stakes and disastrous ventriloquist act in history.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:26 ameven the trolls don’t want to talk about “wâ€â€¦
Comment by joe cantwell
What trolls? The trolls on this blog certainly like to talk about what a wonderful president he is and what a good job he’s doing in Iraq. They are as delusional as he is. I wonder if it’s some substance the RNC issues to put into people’s coffee to keep them walking off the cliff.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:27 amI think I’m seeing a trend here. The Bush sycophants are out there telling the world what a wonderful President he is and Bush is trying to convince the Democrats to NOT run against his presidency.
Do I smell desperation in the air?
February 10th, 2008 at 11:30 amSomeone wrote here that both Obama and Clinton have said they want to move on after Bush is out of office.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 10, 2008 @ 11:23 am
If they pull that crap again, like letting the Rebubs get away with watergate and Iran Contra again, its time to oust both parties.
This sh!t will happen again in 8 -12 years if they do nothing.
Mark my words.
It will be time to start the New Progressive Party.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:31 amIt was not always Republican vs Democrat and it does not have to stay that way.
Does “help him” mean ginning up the color-coded terror threats a la 2002 & 2004?
February 10th, 2008 at 11:32 amTalk, Talk, Elephant Talk
February 10th, 2008 at 11:33 amAnother Bush success! See Bush is a uniter. Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is going to visit Baghdad!
I see the efforts to marginalize Iran as a ‘pariah state’ are working out great. In the past few months Ahmadinejad has visited Saudi Arabia during the Hajj and has agreed to warmer relations with Egypt after almost 30 years of bad blood.
Now Iran and Iraq will become BFF’s!
Heckuva job Bushole!
-GSD
February 10th, 2008 at 11:36 amIt will be time to start the New Progressive Party.
It was not always Republican vs Democrat and it does not have to stay that way.
Comment by Wayne
I would love to see the progressive movement on the Internet champion something like this as soon as the election is over. I would love to see Russ Feingold be the standard bearer for the new party.
If this were to happen and Democrats left to become a member of the Progressive party, they can caucus with the Democrats until such time as their numbers are greater than the Democrat’s numbers, then they should run the show!
February 10th, 2008 at 11:36 amNow Iran and Iraq will become BFF’s!
Heckuva job Bushole!
-GSD
Comment by GSD
In his own way Bush is uniting the middle east. It’s just not in the way he wanted it to be. So now instead of just a couple of rogue states hating the US, we will have the entire middle east hating the US. I agree, heckuva job Busharruf.
I certainly hope that the new President’s first move will be to call a mid east summit to make nice with all the people we have offended in the last 7 years.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:39 amwatergate and Iran Contra again, its time to oust both parties.
This sh!t will happen again in 8 -12 years if they do nothing.
Mark my words.
It will be time to start the New Progressive Party.
It was not always Republican vs Democrat and it does not have to stay that way.
Comment by Wayne
detached from reality? I think so.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:41 amWhy not just vote republican like you used to?
Good Morning poster’s…..Bilbo, I posted a few week’s ago that I had watched interview’s of both Hillery and Obama and they said they “want to move forward”, “it would serve no purpose” on the issue of investigating this administration and impeachment issues….Both were almost scripted answer’s….Now ya all know why I keep saying there isn’t a dime’s worth of diffrence between them…Blessings
February 10th, 2008 at 11:43 amLook at the empty husk of a human being that is running this nation and look at the freakish and deluded fools at the CPAC convention that treated him has though he were King Solomon.
These people are scary and Bush is in latter stages of a self-deluded dementia.
-GSD
February 10th, 2008 at 11:44 amIn Turkey…NATO Ally and showcase for moderate,secular Islam,
February 10th, 2008 at 11:44 amthose that have a favorable view of the United
states….NINE PERCENT
Your so popular Mr Bush that NO foreign dignitary will visit you before you leave
he is so Disolusioned after so long in his bubble
now think how the Guantanamo inmates must be after 6 years isolation
February 10th, 2008 at 11:45 amIt will be time to start the New Progressive Party.
nows the time to start a Lioberal party for elections in the future
goodbye GOP forever then
February 10th, 2008 at 11:46 am“Why not just vote republican like you used to?”
Comment by Fred
I see Fred’s using his mental powers again. Can you tell us what Wayne had for dinner yesterday?
February 10th, 2008 at 11:47 amHay Fred, what happened to you while I was absent.? I thought you knew Wayne is one of the good poster’s……Blessings
February 10th, 2008 at 11:53 amThe Democrat party? Careful now CG your immature snideness is showing. It’s a little difficult not to focus on you when you’re so closely tied to your policies on a personal level.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:53 amdetached from reality? I think so.
Why not just vote republican like you used to?
Comment by Fred — February 10, 2008 @ 11:41 am
What a sanctimonious twit. sheesh
February 10th, 2008 at 11:54 am34 I’m just not ready to throw the democratic party away just as we are about to regain power…..If you want to destroy the democrats……and some of you seem to be…..how can that be considered progressive?
Quit undermining efforts to get rid of the republicans.
Quit making a case for the republicans that democrats are not serving liberals
Don’t be foolish and destroy the only chance we have to change the leadership.
The negative things you say here about democrats affect how people vote…..we need their votes to get rid of the republicans.
continue with your democrat bashing wayne and barfly.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:55 amI think Bush is on the sauce again. He’s even more incoherent than usual.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:57 amAmericans are already through with Bush - they want him gone - yesterday. So for him to comment “McCain will carry on my agenda” is a kiss of death for McCain.
I think that Republicans who profess to continue the war, and continue the disastrous economic policies and programs of Bush&Co are masochists, sealing their fate.
Bush is a failed president in every sense. They should be running from him, but the base support remains stubbornly (stupidly) solid and the candidates have to pander to them - hence, they will lose.
continue with your democrat bashing wayne and barfly.
Comment by Fred — February 10, 2008 @ 11:55 am
Excuse me as this isn’t my beef but is it possible that not all see the world soley from only one of two camps?
February 10th, 2008 at 11:58 amThat man is gonna make my head explode, if I gotta listen to his talk much more.
Can we have some divine work happening here with a big-thunder-clap from de hebbins that will turn him into a quiet alcoholic.
The man is de freaking albatross!
February 10th, 2008 at 11:59 amFred, the Democratic Party is NOT the Liberal party and never really has been. Members of the Democratic Party are liberals, but they’ve rarely had control of the platform and agenda.
I don’t see much suggestion here that voters abandon the Democrats before November. After? That really depends on what happens with (hopefully) a Democrat in the WH and a strong majority in both houses of Congress.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:59 amdetached from reality? I think so.
Why not just vote republican like you used to?
Comment by Fred
Ok Fred, settle down. Just because someone can see the need for a new Progressive party DOES NOT MAKE THEM A REPUBLICAN. Do you want to call me a Republican? I have been calling for a new Progressive party for some time now. And I have to tell you that I have never voted Republican in my life.
Fred, for the most part you have very intelligent and insightful things to say. But sometimes you get off the rails with your rants at people who you perceive to be not quite as liberal as you would want them to be.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:59 amIf truths and facts are finally unearthed in committee investigations and hearings after the Dems are in power, I believe the Dems will prosecute the criminals. They would have no reason not to demonstrate that the Constitution can be restored.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:01 pmFred, for shame….I/we are equal opertunety critic’s here…We progressive’s can and do speak about the enabeler’s in our party….In the past year as you know Palosi, Reid and many other’s have done everything they can to distroy our constitution, silence the electrit and kiss bush’s ass….I/we should alway’s bring truth to lie’s just as we must bring light to darkness…..Sorry, you loose this one. I’m with Wayne and thousand’s of other’s trying to fix all the wrong’s…Lighten up please..We can all multi task…Rid our country of the bull shit regime and their supporter’s on our side….Blessings
February 10th, 2008 at 12:03 pmThe point is Bush is too stupid to know that he is sent out to spin against himself.
He’s too stupid to realize that and the media is too craven to point that out.
-GSD
February 10th, 2008 at 12:03 pmBush and his ilk continue to prove themselves criminally and morally insane…
“We’ve Got 99 Problems”
Economic Problems
Problem: Staggering National Debt
After declining significantly during the 1990s, the combination of expensive Bush tax cuts and reckless spending pushed the national debt from $5.7 trillion in 2001 to $9.2 trillion in 2008. [Department of Treasury]
Problem: Poverty
There are 4.9 million more Americans living in poverty today than there were in 2000. [EPI]
Problem: Bankruptcies
A total of 603,139 Americans filed for bankruptcy in the first three quarters of 2007, a 40.15 percent increase over the same period in 2006. [American Bankruptcy Institute] [Consumer Affairs]
Problem: Foreclosures
In the third quarter of 2007, there were 635,159 foreclosure filings in the United States. When you crunch the numbers, that’s one foreclosure filing for every 196 U.S. households. That’s 100 percent more than in the same period of 2006. [Daily Herald]
Problem: Credit Card Debt
Today, Americans owe more than $813 billion in credit card debt. Additionally, Americans are falling behind on their credit card payments at an alarming rate, sending delinquencies and defaults surging by double-digit percentages in the last year and prompting warnings of worse to come. [American Progress] [MSNBC]
Problem: High Gas Prices
The average price of a gallon of gas has skyrocketed, from $1.39 a gallon in January 2000 to $3.07 a gallon in January 2007. [Energy Information Administration]”
and on and on.
http://www.americanprogress.org/ issues/ 2008/ 01/ 99problems.html
February 10th, 2008 at 12:08 pmNow ya all know why I keep saying there isn’t a dime’s worth of diffrence between them…Blessings
Comment by Witch1
It’s very disappointing that they are saying they want to move on. But, I disagree with your assessment that there isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between them. They may both have similar policy views, but there is a huge difference between the candidates. When Obama speaks to crowds (usually so huge everyone can’t get in), he brings his audience to tears and the people listening to him leave in an inspired and hopeful mood. I don’t think the same thing happens at a Clinton rally.
I truly feel that this bruised and battered nation needs an inspirational leader in this time of crisis. That’s why I support Obama and pray that he ends up the eventual nominee and that he lives to take office.
There’s also something else at play here. Candidates frequently say middle of the road things in the primaries and sharpen their policies while running for election. I have read that Obama really supports single payer health plans. But, he is sounding moderate on that point so that it isn’t used against him in the primary. Once he is President I can see Obama pushing for single payer health. I can also see him pushing to prosecute the Bush Crime family to the fullest extent. After all, Obama taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1993 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004
February 10th, 2008 at 12:09 pmMy two cents’ worth:
February 10th, 2008 at 12:11 pmI want new congressional leadership in November.
I am as frustrated and angry with the Dems as anyone; disappointed in Pelosi and Reid, I feel they betrayed us. While I criticize them, and let them know my objections to their lame leadership, I am not willing to give the repugnicans additional fodder to use against the Democrats.
For the time being, we have no choice but to work with the party we have; when they have a stronger foothold in Congress, we can continue to press them to follow our desires. For now, while I think it’s hard not to criticze the Dems in power, I’d like to see more focus on the positive side and ascertain that there is indeed a landslide of Democrats elected in November, which will give us the majority we need to get what we want and exert real power.
It is beyond comprehension!! Where or how does the DisasterInChief idiot and failure George W Bush get the nerve to appear on television and talk as if his presidency was such ‘great success’!!! How dare you loser idiot? The rich that keep getting richer, the war profiteers, those are your loyal supporters. The death penalty is a walk in the park compared to what’s coming to you idiot war criminal. America and the entire world (with the exception of your fellow ‘devil-worshipping freaks’ and ‘have-mores’) hates you and wishes you death!!! Get ready LOSER-IDIOT the party is over!!
February 10th, 2008 at 12:14 pmThe point is Bush is too stupid to know that he is sent out to spin against himself.
He’s too stupid to realize that and the media is too craven to point that out.
-GSD
February 10th, 2008 at 12:15 pmBush is in for quite a surprise come next January when his protective bubble team goes out of business, and he is no longer shielded from the popular view of him as the worst president ever.
As for the Democrats, I will hold my nose and vote for them in 2008, but if they don’t perform, they won’t get my vote in 2010.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:16 pmBilbo, I think most voters are not aware that Obama is a constitutional scholar. It’s not something that’s repeated often enough in the campaign. For those of us who want to see Bush&Co prosecuted for their shredding of the Constitution, I agree that Obama would find it anathema not to make things right again.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:16 pmYou are also right when you say that what the candidates say on the primary campaign trail is usually broad and deliberately vague so they can attract independent voters and get the nomination. When Obama becomes the nominee (I hope) I think we will start to hear him be more specific.
While I agree with you both Marie and Bilbo on some thing’s and as of yesterday will vote for who ever the Dem’s put forward I will also continue to voice my critical view of the wrong doer’s…Silence is never the answer in my opinion…..Blessings
February 10th, 2008 at 12:17 pmI’d like to see more focus on the positive side and ascertain that there is indeed a landslide of Democrats elected in November, which will give us the majority we need to get what we want and exert real power.
Comment by Marie
So are you suggesting that we not criticize Pelosi and Reid when they betray us? I’m sorry, but I think that liberals and progressives (mostly the same thing) are mature enough to handle criticism of things their leaders do to disappoint us. I think that is what makes us unique from the Republicans. We tell the truth, even if it hurts. Whereas the Republicans walk in lock-step with each other even if they are marching off a cliff. I have frequently said that being a Democrat is rather messy because the party is inhabited with thinking, intelligent adults who frequently disagree with each other. I would hate to see that change.
On the other hand, playing into the Republican talking machine IS NOT a good idea. Every time I see a poster here call Hillary Billary, it makes my blood boil. It also bothers me when I see the posters here refer to the Democrat party instead of the Democratic party, even though I think that error is not a purposeful one.
We can disagree on what our party is doing and I think that is what makes us strong. But we need to not fall into the Right wing noise machine and repeat their slanders.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:17 pmI agree with Fred. We had a President who never lied to America. His name was Jimmy Carter. You can still hear the hatred that Americans have for him.
Comment by delafield
You mean “Republican Americans”, don’t you? I don’t know anyone who is a Democrat who hates Carter. I certainly don’t. In his own way I think he was a very good President. Unfortunately he was President in the wrong time in history. I don’t think any Democratic president could have been successful after the disaster that Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford left behind.
That’s why I worry about the Democratic president who takes over where Bush left off. This government is in MUCH worse shape now than it was when Carter took office. It’s going to take an incredibly determined and inspirational President to get us all on the same page to do the things we need to do to get our country back on the path of good.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:25 pmHell no, Bilbo,
February 10th, 2008 at 12:27 pmI am not saying we have to be silent when Pelosi and Reid betray us - I am just saying that we should speak out, but be careful not to go so far as to give the other side strength, accusing us of eating our own.
We are certainly of the same mind and principles, and I do not see us in disagreement. I feel we have been marginalized, if not dissed, by the party and I will do whatever I can to gain recognition and make my progressive/liberal voice heard.
Carter was the most honest and moral president in my lifetime.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:29 pmHe was beaten up badly by the press and the Republicans as they vaulted their man, Reagan, into the limelight.
That’s why I worry about the Democratic president who takes over where Bush left off. This government is in MUCH worse shape now than it was when Carter took office. It’s going to take an incredibly determined and inspirational President to get us all on the same page to do the things we need to do to get our country back on the path of good.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 10, 2008 @ 12:25 pm
I agree completely. This is why I’ve been thinking the Republicans aren’t really trying very hard to win the White House and fielded a pretty weak bunch. Sure, they’ll be happy to win, but they’ll also be happy to stick the Democrats with the problems they’ve created. Then, even as soon as 2010, they can blame it all on the Democrats. Well, hell, they already do that and have even blamed the Democrats for getting into Iraq in the first place.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:30 pmNOTICE:
i wrote a note to FAIZ about the trolls - particularly the pat2/3, who had been banned several times under different names and keeps coming back… here is the repyl:
He hasn’t violated any terms. Just ignore him, but that seems to be asking too much of our commenters.
it’s true - the trooll feeders are the biggest problem here.
i wonder, how we can fix that?
February 10th, 2008 at 12:35 pmFrankly, “party before country” is disgusting, whether it is from Republicans or Democrats. We can see where it has gotten us the last 8 years.
If, after this election in November, the Democrats repeat the cycle letting the crooks off again in order to move on, they are enablers to criminals.
And Fred, stick it.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:39 pmI am just saying that we should speak out, but be careful not to go so far as to give the other side strength, accusing us of eating our own.
Comment by Marie
Phew…I’m glad that is what you are saying and I agree with you 100%. That’s why I get so angry when posters here call Hillary “Billary”. That’s falling into the “eating your own” category as far as I am concerned. I believe we can discuss the relative merits of Clinton and Obama’s candidacies without falling into “Republican Speak”.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:40 pmGood Morning Wayne,…Good to read you here……Blessings
February 10th, 2008 at 12:41 pmDoes “help him†mean ginning up the color-coded terror threats a la 2002 & 2004?
Comment by Cal Malenky — February 10, 2008 @ 11:32 am
for sure.
i heard one of the talking heads this morning, talking about the huge lead the dems have over repugs… UNLESS there is a major security event…
no doubt in MY mind - they are planning something.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:43 pm.
it’s true - the trooll feeders are the biggest problem here.
i wonder, how we can fix that?
Comment by katy
That is quite true. The minute I saw the thread with 400+ comments I knew it had been a troll fest. And that was the number after all the original posts by pat2 & 3 were removed. With them counted, I suspect the number would have been more around 600.
It is very easy not to validate the trolls. If they are someone as blatant as pat2&3, ignore them. It was very obvious from it’s first post that it was here simply to disrupt and it worked brilliantly.
For trolls like keloti and others who do try, somewhat, to put forth a point, try talking about them rather than to them. You will be surprised how it feels. I know I am not feeding their egos, but I am addressing some of the misinformation or distorted information they are trying to disseminate.
So my rule is that I totally ignore trolls who are here simply to disrupt and talk about, not to the trolls who are spreading disinformation or lies.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:45 pmFred @ 11:41 am -
why come back just to make trouble?
do you WANT to be marked as a trooll???
February 10th, 2008 at 12:46 pmIt’s Sunday, and the talk shows are 99% republican again.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:48 pmCan anyone explain Delay’s appearance on TV several times this week?
I emailed Stephanopolous .
UNLESS there is a major security event…
no doubt in MY mind - they are planning something.
Comment by katy
For the life of me I don’t see how anyone can think that a major attack on our country will help the Republicans. All it will prove is that they can’t keep us safe and that all the civil liberties we have had taken away from us didn’t make one bit of difference.
I think a major attack on this country will hurt the Republicans not help them. The only way it will help them is if Bush declares martial law and that will, in the end, totally destroy the Republican party. I can’t see the citizens of the USA sitting idly by and allowing our President to make himself a Dictator. I think you will be seeing people marching in the streets and possibly a military coup.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:49 pm#65 Katy,
February 10th, 2008 at 12:51 pmI heard that same caveat this morning and I had the same thought as you. Come August or October, will there be another “terror” alert or event that will cause the frightened public to “catapault” the Repugnican into power?
Bilbo you make a good case for the argument against the repugs should there be a terror alert in the fall, but the media and the party will spin it into the “strong” militaristic McCain as being the more “experienced” and more able to deal with security.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:55 pmShould Bush exert unwarranted powers again, I will be ready to join the marchers as they storm the White House.
#71 Marie, I’m with you….Blessings
February 10th, 2008 at 12:57 pmno doubt in MY mind - they are planning something.
Comment by katy — February 10, 2008 @ 12:43 pm
Have you read this yet?
February 10th, 2008 at 12:58 pmhttp://www.progressive.org/mag_rothschild0308
Wayne, that was brought up somewhere else today and it is astonishingly frightening.
Witch1, back at you, girl!
February 10th, 2008 at 1:01 pmGood Morning Wayne,…Good to read you here……Blessings
Comment by Witch1 — February 10, 2008 @ 12:41 pm
Always good to see you on, Sharon =)
February 10th, 2008 at 1:01 pmFred @ 11:41 am -
why come back just to make trouble?
do you WANT to be marked as a trooll???
Comment by katy
I thought it sparked a worthy discussion…….It was not just to cause trouble……there are many opinions here and some don’t agree with wayne….
I am not ready to trash our entire party just because things are not going our way right now……
trolls…..real ones just disrupted two of your threads…..totally…..if your solution to someone having a different view is to lablel them as a troll and then to spend 400 posts playing with them……what the hell do you hope to accomplish.
I have been trying to get people to talk about the trolls and figure out a way to deal with them but you Katy and other regulars made sure that did not happen……..
February 10th, 2008 at 1:11 pmBack at you both, off to run the Bear and do have to’s…Have a great day.Blessings
February 10th, 2008 at 1:12 pmbilbobaggins @ 12:49 pm - i don’t get it either…
but, Marie @ 12:55 pm explains it perfectly (as usual)…
and Wayne @ 12:58 pm - yes, i have… scary shite… a real pisser.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:14 pmFred @ 1:11 pm - you give me WAY too much credit…
February 10th, 2008 at 1:16 pmand you are still sounding like a whiny concern troll.
I am not ready to trash our entire party just because things are not going our way right now……
Comment by Fred — February 10, 2008 @ 1:11 pm
So exactly when are you going to help Nancy find a table, and do you support her violations of her oath of office?
What do YOU propose if the criminal conspiracy is let go free, so they can do it all over again in 8 to 12 years? Lay back and take it?
And for your info, I have voted Democrat since I turned 18, I am 49 now.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:25 pmdelafield has voiced his support for Hillary several times and wayne and barfly shut him down…..I think in a disrespectful way…..
bilbo has suggested ways to try to deal with the trolls…….why do you guys play with them…
I suspect that pat2 and sabien91 were working together on one thread here last night…..probably in the same room……where was everyones outrage then???? playing with the trolls.
ok…some of you don’t like the clintons….some of us do. You are entitleled to to your opinion but you should not feel like you can squelch someone elses opinion by sheer numbers.
What party represents progressives in America today? Democrats…..why before an election of such importance would you trash that party day after day in a public place where people come to get the drift of which way the wind is blowing?
Is is perfect…no. Is it the only hope we have? yes.
Maybe I sound whiney because I’m not towing your party line……..sorry to offend.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:26 pmdelafield has voiced his support for Hillary several times and wayne and barfly shut him down…..I think in a disrespectful way…..
Comment by Fred — February 10, 2008 @ 1:26 pm
delafield called barfly and I republicans.
There are real issues with Hillary and her Senate record.
I support Obama over her because of her record, which includes co-sponsor of the Republican Flag Burning Amendment to the Constitution. Something the courts declared is already protected speech.
How Democratic of her./snark
February 10th, 2008 at 1:32 pmApparently, President Bush returned to his childlike mispronunciation of the opposition party’s name. Yes, a year after acknowledging his infantile gambit, President Bush has renewed his war against the “Democrat Party.”
For the details, see:
February 10th, 2008 at 1:35 pm“Bush Renews His War on the ‘Democrat Party.’”
delafield called barfly and I republicans.
Comment by Wayne
February 10th, 2008 at 1:46 pmI have been trying to get people to talk about the trolls and figure out a way to deal with them but you Katy and other regulars made sure that did not happen……..
Comment by Fred
No, Fred, we are after you because you are trashing regulars here because they somehow don’t fit your definition of what a Democrat should be. It appears that you want us to be like the Republicans and walk in lock-step even when we are being betrayed by the leaders of our party.
Also, you need to learn to read posts a little more thoroughly before you mouth off. You said earlier that someone was talking about forming a Progressive party now and abandoning the Democrats. The post you were referring to clearly said that if the newly elected Democrats cave and don’t find the Republicans accountable for their actions then we should talk about a new party.
From the tone of your posts the last couple of days, I am beginning to think that you are really a “liberal in disguise” trying to get us to attack each other.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:49 pmsabien91 is a TP lifer here, formerly jpark… not a troll…
February 10th, 2008 at 1:51 pmlikes to play with ‘em though… dammit…
:-]
Maybe I sound whiney because I’m not towing your party line……..sorry to offend.
Comment by Fred
No, you are sounding whiny because you are being whiny. I also don’t see the people here “trashing the Democratic Party”. I see them objecting to the things the party does that they think are wrong. The day the Democratic party becomes the lock-step party like the Republicans is the day I will leave the party forever.
Also, I find it interesting that you frequently talk about the “clintons” when you are talking about Hillary Clinton. Don’t you think that she is an individual who would be an individual president rather than a co-president with Bill?
February 10th, 2008 at 1:53 pmf.y.i.
i asked faiz: wouldn’t returning after being banned be violating terms?
his reply: he’s been banned by the community, not by us. he can return and keep being banned by the community. if he violates our terms, then we’ll take care of him.
i’m sure we will be tested again…
i’m all for dialogue and truth telling, but it’s so obvious, when you have to tell the paula jones history again, what kind of poster you’re dealing with… i was kinda surprised it took that turn and got so far, but figured it was a boring saturday night and found something better to do elsewhere… it was still embarrassing…
February 10th, 2008 at 2:03 pmdelafield called barfly and I republicans.
Comment by Wayne
Comment by Fred — February 10, 2008 @ 1:46 pm
Did you have a point, or is that your imitation of an echo?
February 10th, 2008 at 2:08 pmHey - as a non American liberal / progressive you guys spend to much time responding to “trolls”. Spending at least 1 - 2 months a year in the US, also following international politics I’m not anti-America or Americans I just don’t agree with the so called “war”. Its not a war it’s an occupation! WE don’t hate Americans! WE don’t like your politics Allow us to resolve our own issues!!!!
February 10th, 2008 at 2:12 pmThe day the Democratic party becomes the lock-step party like the Republicans is the day I will leave the party forever.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 10, 2008 @ 1:53 pm
Amen to that.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:13 pmY’all need to read between the lines. His comments are not about the future president/2008 eleiction. they are about his future legacy.
To that point, when the McCain loses, Bush will be able to opine that he was “right.” if only the Republicans had embraced “his legacy,” they would hav won “his” office.
Its not about objective facts. It’s all about creating subjective history. Thus no one can say Bush’s words were wrong. regardless of how stupid his words are.
It is more important to Rove/Bush to frame the debate than it is to discuss actual issues and/or objective standards by which you evaluate actions.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:21 pm“If the Democrat Party feels like they can win an election by focusing on me, I think they’d be making a huge tactical mistake. But I hope they do that then because our candidate will be able to talk about the future.”
Hmmmmmmm….Bush’s comments appear to be some kind of ploy. I believe the Republicans know they are going to lose the election in a landslide - and McCain is their fall guy who will never run again. When the Democrats take control of the WH and Congress next year we will likely find that we are in much worse economic condition than we already suspect. Having short memories, the American people will only remember the financial hard times they endured during the Democratic WH and Congress and will again unfairly cast their blame. This might insure another neocon emergence in 2012.
I hope not!
February 10th, 2008 at 2:23 pmI just don’t agree with the so called “warâ€. Its not a war it’s an occupation! WE don’t hate Americans! WE don’t like your politics Allow us to resolve our own issues!!!!
Comment by skimadsa
Bravo! And thank you for not judging all Americans by the idiot who is sitting in the White House.
I am hoping that if Obama is elected President and survives to be the President, that he will hold out a hand to all the people we have offended and ask them to forgive us. And then I hope that he talks the talk and walks the walk by not meddling in other country’s business.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:27 pmgreen, i’ve thought that and heard that same scenario for quite some time now…
February 10th, 2008 at 2:29 pmi would never put anything past these criminals…
Having short memories, the American people will only remember the financial hard times they endured during the Democratic WH and Congress and will again unfairly cast their blame. This might insure another neocon emergence in 2012.
I hope not!
Comment by green
I’m fairly sure that won’t happen. Haven awaken from a long sleep, I don’t think the people of this country are going to forget who got us into this mess in the first place. But, the Democrats will need to keep the focus on who caused the problem and not allow the Republicans to shift the blame. That will take some strong Democrats in charge and that doesn’t mean Pelosi or Reid.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:29 pmskimadsa - yea, we don’t much like out politics at this time either :-)
i too believe that OBAMA will be the best person to lead and heal this
battered country…
but everyone should understand - it will be decades…
and it will probably get real ugly before it gets better…
everybody up to it?
February 10th, 2008 at 2:33 pmmaybe ending the writer’s strike will help immensely…
we need truthtellers!
all these “reality shows” are killin’ U.S.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:35 pm…
oh, that was a response to bilbo’s comment above:
February 10th, 2008 at 2:36 pm“Haven awaken from a long sleep, I don’t think the people of this country…”
but everyone should understand - it will be decades…
and it will probably get real ugly before it gets better…
everybody up to it?
Comment by katy
I think that if we have an inspirational leader, everyone will not only be up to it, they will also be willing to sacrifice to fix things.
oh, that was a response to bilbo’s comment above:
“Haven awaken from a long sleep, I don’t think the people of this country…â€
Well, that was an interesting typo. I really don’t think it was a typo per se. I think that when I made my typo, I chose the wrong word to replace it with.
February 10th, 2008 at 3:01 pmIt’s really tough being a Bush “handler” nowadays - he squirms around, slips out, makes a beeline to Faux Noise, and pi$$es on the rug in just the blink of an eye!
February 10th, 2008 at 3:01 pm“Maybe I sound whiney because I’m not towing your party line……..sorry to offend.”
Says the guy who berates us for not towing the “party” line.
Ever heard of irony Fred?
February 10th, 2008 at 3:04 pmKnow your place.
Comment by justasking
Sounds like justasking should now be called “just-lecturing.”
February 10th, 2008 at 3:07 pmBush: If Candidates Are ‘Talking About Me,’ Republicans ‘Have A Better Chance Of Whining’
There, I fixed the typo. TP should hire better proof-readers…
February 10th, 2008 at 3:11 pm“You’re probably the only one that didn’t catch it measuring from your response.”
Comment by justasking
If you have to explain it, it ain’t funny.
February 10th, 2008 at 3:12 pmParody:
1 :a literary or musical work in which the style of an author or work is closely imitated for comic effect or in ridicule.
2 : a feeble or ridiculous imitation
Sounds more like #2.
February 10th, 2008 at 3:16 pm“I thought it was actually pretty scathing.”
Comment by justasking
And the other commenters rose in thunderous agreement!
Uh… guys? Where’d you all go?
February 10th, 2008 at 3:18 pmFred,
You’re just the regulars’ gatekeeper troll.
Know your place.
Comment by justasking
justasking - I’m wondering why you are baiting Fred. Could it be because you are still smarting from the times you were slapped down for your behavior similar to Fred’s behavior?
February 10th, 2008 at 3:19 pmIt was parody.
Based on the “group think†philosophy here.
You’re probably the only one that didn’t catch it measuring from your response.
Comment by justasking
No, it wasn’t a parody, it was a whine. As evidenced by your reference to the “group think” philosophy here. There is no “group think” philosophy here. There are numerous people with different ideas and opinions. But we are not opposed to chastising the people who say they are on our side of the fence but who are attacking the regulars where because they are not acting the way they want them to act. I don’t remember the issue when you were slapped down, justasking, but I do remember thinking that you deserved it. Fred is being slapped because he is here lecturing us on how to behave as a “good Democrat”, by becoming what the “good Republicans” are, lock-step followers.
February 10th, 2008 at 3:23 pmBased on the “group think†philosophy here.
Comment by justasking — February 10, 2008 @ 3:10 pm
These strike me as very inkeeping with the nonthinking which gave us Operation Iragi occupation but they certainly apply to many diverse gatherings of nonthinkers
Eight Main Symptoms of Group Think
Illusion of Invulnerability: Members ignore obvious danger, take extreme risk, and are overly optimistic.
Collective Rationalization: Members discredit and explain away warning contrary to group thinking.
Illusion of Morality: Members believe their decisions are morally correct, ignoring the ethical consequences of their decisions.
Excessive Stereotyping:The group constructs negative sterotypes of rivals outside the group.
Pressure for Conformity: Members pressure any in the group who express arguments against the group’s stereotypes, illusions, or commitments, viewing such opposition as disloyalty.
Self-Censorship: Members withhold their dissenting views and counter-arguments.
Illusion of Unanimity: Members perceive falsely that everyone agrees with the group’s decision; silence is seen as consent.
Mindguards: Some members appoint themselves to the role of protecting the group from adverse information that might threaten group complacency.
February 10th, 2008 at 3:24 pmPressure for Conformity: Members pressure any in the group who express arguments against the group’s stereotypes, illusions, or commitments, viewing such opposition as disloyalty.
Well, that pretty much describes Fred’s recent meltdown.
February 10th, 2008 at 3:27 pmHow could you not remember WHY is was slapped down, but then say I deserved it?
Comment by justasking
Because I don’t remember everything that is ever said on this blog. I just know that I have a feeling, when I see your moniker, that you have been slapped down and that you deserved it.
February 10th, 2008 at 3:29 pmYou make decisions based on emotions and gut feelings?
Comment by justasking
Like George Bush?
February 10th, 2008 at 3:34 pmYeah…when good men do nothing…
Comment by justasking
So why don’t you advocate Bush’s removal? Or is your outrage selective?
February 10th, 2008 at 3:35 pmI just find it funny that justasking is getting all bent out of shape about others making decisions based upon gut feelings - but he says nothing about ‘ol shoot-from-the-Spleen Bush.
February 10th, 2008 at 3:38 pm“Then CHENEY WOULD BE IN POWER!”
Uh, no. They could both be removed for their acts. There is nothing in the constitution that says they can’t both be removed.
February 10th, 2008 at 3:41 pm“Impeaching Bush is the stupidest thing this country could do.”
Comment by justasking
Is it stupid to respect the rule of law? Government statute?
You’re talking like a toady.
February 10th, 2008 at 3:43 pmI want some of Bush’s stash.
It is clearly , ‘the kind’…
February 10th, 2008 at 3:44 pmIt is clearly , ‘the kind’…
Comment by RUCerious
I thought that was “‘da kine?”
Or are we putting on uptown airs?
February 10th, 2008 at 3:46 pm“And then if Pelosi becomes President?
I’ve heard for her removal too from posters.
It’ll be a never ending cycle with some people here.”
Comment by justasking
Your conservative slip is showing, my dear. Best repair to the ladies room for a quick adjustment…
February 10th, 2008 at 3:48 pm“And you’re the first to start with the name calling barfly.”
An impartial observer would probably note that I only said that you sounded like a toady - not that you actually were one. I am not responsible for you making that inference.
February 10th, 2008 at 3:50 pmthought that was “‘da kine?â€
Or are we putting on uptown airs?
Comment by barfly — February 10, 2008 @ 3:46 pm
As the gentleman in ‘The Sting’ put it so aptly,
uptown airs is me specialty!
February 10th, 2008 at 3:57 pmI must conclude from your last post that you are attempting to make the case that you are merely practical, instead of ideologically conservative. Yet, your posts regarding the impeachment of both Bush and Cheney make the case that a Pelosi presidency would be the worst thing that could happen to the country - a decidedly un-progressive position, to say the least. And now you reach for the “victim” label, to make it sound like you’re being attacked. Preposterous.
February 10th, 2008 at 3:57 pmFlash!!
This thread is no longer about
February 10th, 2008 at 3:59 pmBush: If Candidates Are ‘Talking About Me,’ Republicans ‘Have A Better Chance Of Winning’
“Now you speak for imaginary people rather than stand by the intent of your words?”
Words have power. They can be used to sue, when one has been defamed. Do you seriously think any court would ever entertain a lawsuit that started with “…And the defendendant did say in a public forum that the plaintiff ‘talked like a toady?’ ”
You’d get your lawyer sanctioned for being a nuisance to the court, for even bringing the case!
February 10th, 2008 at 4:03 pmIt makes you look like you’re creating a straw man argument.
Comment by justasking
So in justaskingworld, you’re now stating unequivocally that I am creating strawmen?
Or just that I “look like” I’m creating them?
February 10th, 2008 at 4:06 pmYou sound like a Martian.
Comment by justasking
I’ll take that as your admission of defeat. Are you saying that I’m a martian - or that I merely sound like one?
I’m sooo confused!
February 10th, 2008 at 4:10 pmSoo confused…
February 10th, 2008 at 4:12 pmKeep talking, George. Keep talking!
Obama (or Clinton) is a step closer to the White House every time the Chimp opens his piehole (for that matter, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, etc., ad nauseum).
February 10th, 2008 at 4:22 pm[regarding the impeachment of both Bush and Cheney]:
At the same time? ok.
We have time for that. And then if Pelosi becomes President?
I’ve heard for her removal too from posters.
It’ll be a never ending cycle with some people here. …”
Comment by justasking
What I find so damaging about this line of thought is that it asserts political expedience should trump our stated ideals and beliefs. This attitude suggests that short-term goals should be achieved even when they conflict with long-range goals, in the hopes that the damage will be fixed somewhere down the line. That once a precedent, for a general acceptance for a cheapened version of the rule of law has been established, future legislators will one day see the error of their ways, and rein-in the current executive excesses we see today. Human nature suggests that this will never be the case, given the many politically-conflicted representatives and their individual agendas. They see this willful expedience as a gift, and they will make sure to use it, regardless of the long-term effects to the country.
February 10th, 2008 at 4:47 pmWASHINGTON — In the last week of January, five members of Congress joined the hottest demographic group on Capitol Hill: Republicans who are heading for the exits……..
………..”It’s become an epidemic,” said David Johnson, a Republican consultant and strategist based in Atlanta.
While some members, such as Hulshof, are leaving to pursue new political opportunities, most observers say that the mass departures are the result of the loss of Republican control in the 2006 elections, lackluster fundraising and low morale.
February 10th, 2008 at 5:45 pmIf there’s any outdated thinking going around, it’s being done by Republicans, Conservatives, and
February 10th, 2008 at 5:46 pmcorrection:
Should read, “George Bush will indeed self exile to Paraguayâ€.
Comment by justasking — February 10, 2008 @ 5:03 pm
February 10th, 2008 at 10:54 pmI would’nt be surprised. With all Bush presidential papers and WH hard drives, and after plunging the nation into war with Iran (provided a democratic victory)
If the Democrat Party feels like they can win an election by focusing on me, I think they’d be making a huge tactical mistake.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:24 amThe expert in Tatical mistakes has spoken…
As usual Bush’s comments make absolutely no sense.
They trained him to manipulate hyperreality and now he just spews words.
Comment by Guido OBGYN Lover
February 11th, 2008 at 4:38 amActually it does! He scared to death if people starting to talk about him, his crimes, his War Crimes, Scooter Libby, WMD, Mission Acomplished, his statement saying the the US does not torture (which finaly they admited to last week!). Not to mention his economy credentials… I hope they talk about his war criminal over and over again!
I meant: I hope they talk about this war criminal over and over again!
February 11th, 2008 at 4:39 amThis is wat happens when the chimp talks instead of Cheney or Rove pulling the puppet strings.I hope he does alot of stumping for 100 yrs McCain,he`ll do more to help the DEMS than he could possibly comprehend.And this CHIMP is the defacto leader of the BUSHCO crime family.He`ll keep digging the REICH a deeper and deeper hole that Halliburton can`t get them out of.Then we can bury this guy for good!!!!!
February 12th, 2008 at 11:42 pmCondolieeza Rice should be ASHAMED of herself! I would reccommend a good book on mind control, or cults to the un-knowing? Rove-the doer; Cheney-the thinker; Bush-the hoper, or spiritualist; and Condi-the educator or therapist! I think history will judge HER manipulations the harshest! I know I would. God bless America!
February 13th, 2008 at 3:00 am