Inside the mind of a conservative blogger.
By on Feb 12th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Inside the mind of a conservative blogger.
The largest liberal blogs have generally produced more web traffic than the largest conservative blogs. “Erick Erickson, editor of the popular conservative megablog RedState, conceded that progressives currently enjoy an advantage over conservatives online — though he attributed it to an asymmetry in free time, since conservatives ‘have families because we don’t abort our kids, and we have jobs because we believe in capitalism.’” (Via Atrios.)
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Erick the Duh, I got two kids and make plenty of money. And I work smart, not hard………..have a nice day.
February 12th, 2008 at 3:33 pmDang, guess I should quit my job, retroactively abort my two kids, and divorce my wife just to conform to Erick Ericksnon’s idotic viewpoint. Why do we care what a Viking says anyway?
February 12th, 2008 at 3:34 pmSomeone point out to Erick, you can’t impregnate inflatable sheep.
February 12th, 2008 at 3:34 pmUh, no, it is because the repukes are in the minority, and really, if you examine their grammar you have to wonder how they can even get jobs.
Must be manual labor, you know ditch diggers and the like.
And maybe they should have more abortions, that would sure cut down on the stupid in this country.
Buck Fush
February 12th, 2008 at 3:34 pmMost of the Republicans I know are living on Social Security (a liberal government program) and get insurance though Medicare (a liberal government program).
February 12th, 2008 at 3:35 pmRepublicans are too busy listening to hate radio and watching Billo to visit the blogosphere.
As for Erick Erickson, could he have come up with more pathetic straw men then that?
February 12th, 2008 at 3:38 pmwhich explains neatly why the red states are places ranking at the bottom of every scale of education and income available.
what a nub!
February 12th, 2008 at 3:40 pmOh, for the love of God – what a flucking MORON!!!
February 12th, 2008 at 3:41 pmI think it is because you guys are pissed off and Bush and it energizes you. Most conservatives are in a state of depression or despair. They feel Bush has betrayed them by pursuing many liberal policies and executing the war in a very inefficient manner – how fun is that to blog about?
February 12th, 2008 at 3:43 pmI believe his initial reasoning was “Liberals blog so much due to the extra energy the get from sucking the blood of children. In fact, they have so much vampiric energy, they end up beating homeless people, too. Conservative bloggers are too busy praising Jesus to bother with typing on the evil internet box.”
Then he decided to tone it down a little.
February 12th, 2008 at 3:43 pmPrior Republicans in our area, have lost their jobs and work for themselves now, voted once for bush and realized they were lied to.
February 12th, 2008 at 3:43 pmMaybe if they didn’t ban anyone who even just breathes a whisper of a dissenting view…
Their ideology is too fragile to withstand mere words.
February 12th, 2008 at 3:44 pmFair assessment. I bet it’s why Rush is also secretly loving that Hillary is running and he may be hoping she wins. Because nothing rallies a cause than seeing the other side in power.
Curious – what ‘liberal’ policies do you think Bush has persued? I can’t think of one.
February 12th, 2008 at 3:45 pmYou know, Keltoi, if you EVER want ANY of us to even be remotely polite to you or take you the least bit seriously ever again…
… you will not say one single word in defense of that completely and utterly ASININE statement from Mr. Asshat Erickson.
Just sayin’.
February 12th, 2008 at 3:45 pmNo he did not say that!! After reading that is anyone surprised that the traffic on his blog is low? He’s reaching for that good old republican grade school mentality.
February 12th, 2008 at 3:45 pmwe’re just not as Hatriotic as they are – yeah, that’s it…..
February 12th, 2008 at 3:46 pmRepublicans are too busy listening to hate radio and watching Billo to visit the blogosphere.
Comment by VerbalKint
A functioning frontal lobe is not required to operate a radio or TV. The internets are complicated, what with all those series of tubes.
February 12th, 2008 at 3:46 pmErick Erickson, born of unimaginative parents, keeper of dull wit, and king of the trolls.
February 12th, 2008 at 3:47 pm#9 I think it is because you guys are pissed off and Bush and it energizes you. Most conservatives are in a state of depression or despair. They feel Bush has betrayed them by pursuing many liberal policies…
LOL! Bush pursuing liberal policies? I love it when wingnuts try to pass Bush’s lame assed crap onto us. Sorry, he’s all yours.
February 12th, 2008 at 3:47 pmI find their approach to this endlessly amusing. Dissent is crushed on conservative blogs. Not just dismissed and margianilized like happens here, it is flat out deleted and the poster is banned.
Extreme? Yes.
February 12th, 2008 at 3:48 pmWithin their rights? Sure
Anti-First Amendment? Absolutely.
Hillariously hypcritical? You bet.
I’d like to meet Erick Erickson.
February 12th, 2008 at 3:49 pmA government that outlaws abortion and wiretaps Americans will eventually outlaw firearms.
February 12th, 2008 at 3:50 pmPrior Republicans I talk with are upset with bush because he lied us into a war that wasn’t necessary and is responsible for the death of 3960 military people. PR’s I hear say bush has betrayed all values of their party, they realize he has sold out the people who gave him the office.
February 12th, 2008 at 3:51 pmWow, that was some skewed reason he gave for progressive blogs being more popular than conservative blogs.
The real reason has more to do with the fact that most progressive blogs welcome all voices and don’t ban someone with an opposing opinion the first time they post. Very few conservative blogs allow anyone with a differing viewpoint to post thereby making their blogs nothing more than echo chambers. They are even driving away conservatives by doing things like banning discussions on Ron Paul.
February 12th, 2008 at 3:55 pmI, nor my ex wife, never aborted any kids.
Its the ridiculous strawman arguments that conservatives use in order to create controversy, rather than logical debate that makes me, an probably many others turn away from them. Its a tabloidal tactic to make such irrational statements.
I myself, have been banned at Redstate without violating the TOS.
February 12th, 2008 at 3:59 pmThey feel Bush has betrayed them by pursuing many liberal policies and executing the war in a very inefficient manner – how fun is that to blog about?
Comment by Keltoi
OMG, ignorant Troll Keltoi thinks that Bush pushes liberal policies. God, talk about being delusional.
But, you’re damn right the Republiscums are depressed. They know that their end is near. They have worked very hard to it and deserve what they get.
I also think another poster hit the nail on the head, too. The Republiscums spend their time listening to Rush and watching Fox. They are too lazy to go onto the internet and research the news of the day. All they care about is that their authoritarian daddy tell them what to think and believe.
February 12th, 2008 at 3:59 pm*ever
February 12th, 2008 at 3:59 pm“Erick Erickson, editor of the popular conservative megablog RedState, conceded that progressives currently enjoy an advantage over conservatives online — though he attributed it to an asymmetry in free time, since conservatives ‘have families because we don’t abort our kids, and we have jobs because we believe in capitalism.’â€
Erick is absolutely right — how the hell do you expect red-state conservatives to find time to read blogs online while juggling those 3 jobs at Burger King, Wal-Mart and Wally’s Fillin Station, making payments on the 10mpg 4wd monster truck, and keeping track of the latest NASCAR standings — and all the while the barefoot and pregnant wife is at home trying to keep the 7 kids clothed and fed while planning with the other church ladies to figure out where the next protest at a Planned Parenthood clinic is going to be?? Sheesh!!
Just saying . . .
February 12th, 2008 at 4:00 pmI visited freeperville once several years ago. I was polite, did not use “reich-wingâ€, provided the proper links to back my facts, and avoided the inflammatory retorts provided by most of the reich-wingers. I was banned in
Comment by Dr. Matt
I did the same thing a few years ago. Someone told me to go there and see how long it would take me to get banned. I didn’t know anything about the Freepers at the time, and didn’t believe they could be that bad.
My first post was mildly critical of George W. Bush, just to see what would happen. I checked back in about half an hour to find the Freepers howling like deranged babboons, my post had been deleted, and I had been banned for my blasphemy.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:00 pmThey feel Bush has betrayed them by pursuing many liberal policies and executing the war in a very inefficient manner – how fun is that to blog about?
Comment by Keltoi
Its not fun to blog at Redstate at all. I tried.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:02 pmThese guys make no sense at all. Are they just stringing words together as they come out of a dictionary?
I used to think they had half a brain, but now I realize I was giving them too much credit.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:07 pmIts not fun to blog at Redstate at all. I tried.
Comment by Xisithrus — February 12, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
It could be worse. It could be the LGF’ers. Those guys make rabid hyenas look compassionate and caring in comparison.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:08 pmPlease list these “liberal policiesâ€.
Comment by Dr. Matt
Countdown to “liberal policies” being his stance on immigrants. 10…9….8….7
February 12th, 2008 at 4:08 pmYou just described the typical reich-winger. Listen to any of these hate-mongers, it’s just a run-on of red meat hate for their myopic masses.
Comment by Dr. Matt — February 12, 2008 @ 4:08 pm
sorry I didn’t jump in before. I’m at work and that hinders my ability to post.
You say that people on the right are “hate-mongers” but that’s a little like calling the kettle black don’t you think? You folks say the most hateful stuff about anyone that doesn’t agree with you. I’ve been called everything from a janitor to a raciest. And a lot of stuff I’m unwilling to repeat. Not very nice.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:13 pmI think it is because you guys are pissed off and Bush and it energizes you. Most conservatives are in a state of depression or despair. They feel Bush has betrayed them by pursuing many liberal policies and executing the war in a very inefficient manner – how fun is that to blog about?
Comment by Keltoi — February 12, 2008 @ 3:43 pm
Conservatives thought Bush was the greatest thing since sliced bread for at least six years and never a whisper that he wasn’t “really” a conservative. I used to have a copy of a digby post from a year or more back in which she predicted just this behavior, but I can’t find the damn thing.
It’s amusing, though, because we’re always hearing that the success of AM Talk Radio, aka Right Wing Hate Radio, proves the dominance of conservative thought. But perhaps all the lefties have been blogging instead of dozing in front of the transistor radio . . .
February 12th, 2008 at 4:13 pmWell, in Bush’s favor, there are still SOME people left alive in Iraq…
February 12th, 2008 at 4:14 pmCurious – what ‘liberal’ policies do you think Bush has persued? I can’t think of one.
Comment by bobcat_grad — February 12, 2008 @ 3:45 pm
No Child Left Behind, for one. Federal intrusion into local business – Ted Kennedy was on board.
Zero border enforcement, an endorsement of “Amnesty”/Comprehensive reform, whatever.
Failure to veto any spending bills for first six years in the face of wild R pork spending.
$10 billion to AIDS in Africa.
Most “conservatives” would say these are “liberal” policies. The LABEL DANGER light is flashing, though.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:14 pmMost blogs are too unstructured for the rigid authoritarian “mind?” of a right-winger. Since there is no one telling them what they must think, they simply regurgitate the latest Republican talking points, spoon fed to them by Rush, Hannity, ect., then their pitiful, outmoded processors shut down, and they return to the radio/TV for reprocessing.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:15 pmGum – I couldn’t agree more – I’ve been waiting for this excuse to emerge as Righties backpedal in denial of their utter failure – the excuse that “Bush was too liberal” is laughable on its face, and only proves that, when faced with the failures of their own policies, all Righty can do is make excuses.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:16 pmSorry, keltoi… but it ain’t gonna fly.
You’ve been trying for weeks now to make it look like Bush really isn’t a GOOPer at heart.
He’s your side’s fiasco, period… lock, stock, and oil barrel. Own it.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:17 pmBut perhaps all the lefties have been blogging instead of dozing in front of the transistor radio . . .
Comment by gummitch
Maybe it’s because we understand the internet tubes better than the wingnuts do.
I guess I’d really blow his mind because not only do I have a family, but we homeschool. And we teach evolution to our homeschooled kid.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:18 pmI checked out the redhate site a couple of times, but the stupidity was just too much to take, their grammar was horrible, their spelling wasn’t even up to fifth grade standard.
Well to say the least, I did not bother posting there, their intelligence seemed a bit challenged.
Buck Fush
February 12th, 2008 at 4:21 pmVA Voter’s got FEELINGS, Dr Matt…
***sniff… sniff***
Peeople… who need peeeople… are the luckiest peeeeeople in the world…
February 12th, 2008 at 4:22 pm…progressives currently enjoy an advantage over conservatives online…
I thought most trailer parks had internet access these days.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:22 pm‘and we have jobs because we believe in capitalism.’â€
I though work was an activity much much older than capitalist doctrine…
February 12th, 2008 at 4:22 pmJust make sure you point that out to VA Voter, Southern Mammal…
He doesn’t seem to think much of janitors…
February 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pmSorry, keltoi… but it ain’t gonna fly.
You’ve been trying for weeks now to make it look like Bush really isn’t a GOOPer at heart.
He’s your side’s fiasco, period… lock, stock, and oil barrel. Own it.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 12, 2008 @ 4:17 pm
My “side.” Well, we’ll just let that pass.
Do you see any validity to the policies I point out being more liberal than conservative?
February 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pmNo, not all. On my drive home every day I listen to Savage, Levin, and Gibson. They are your typical hate-monger reich-wingers and they feed their GOPig base plenty of red meat on a daily basis. Their audience are raging lunatics spewing every reich-wing talking-point and phrase as quickly as possible in any random order. Don’t let facts stand in the way of your hissy fit.
Comment by Dr. Matt — February 12, 2008 @ 4:17 pm
I listen to Gibson every night on the way home. It’s far from hate. And most of his callers are liberals. As well as the guest.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pm$10 billion to AIDS in Africa.
Comment by Keltoi
which is like a weekend in the Green Zone.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pmThe real reason has more to do with the fact that most progressive blogs welcome all voices and don’t ban someone with an opposing opinion the first time they post. Very few conservative blogs allow anyone with a differing viewpoint to post thereby making their blogs nothing more than echo chambers. They are even driving away conservatives by doing things like banning discussions on Ron Paul.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 12, 2008 @ 3:55 pm
You are correct. The first post here to point to the real reasons RePugniScum blogs suck and only get traffic from the nutbags, rightards and Kool-Aid guzzlers!
They hate the truth big time!!
February 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pmAs if I really care what Southern Whore thinks, F off loser.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:25 pmComment by Keltoi — February 12, 2008 @ 4:14 pm
cripes, Keltoi, you named four policies, only two of which (No Child” and AIDS funding) could remotely be traced to liberal impulses, and both of which have been severely underfunded to the point of irrelevance.
You blame a Republican president failing to veto a single REPUBLICAN spending bill as a “liberal policy”?? Sorry, pal, but that’s a “Right-wing Liberal Stereotype” policy that holds no water in the real world.
Likewise the “Zero border enforcement” crap.
Pick up your game or sit on the bench, dude.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:26 pmIf most of the trolls are indication, conservatives don’t really read.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:26 pmI used to visit the “enemy” blogs, just to see what they were writing about…if there were any strong thinkers involved with the red blogosphere…whatever…
What I found is that there is minimal traffic and what ideas are shared are very shallow and show serious intellectual deficiency. Simple reason for that is that most of what red bloggers support is based on lies and utter bullshit. That might explain the lack of sincere passion for arguing topics of political nature.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:27 pmI listen to Gibson every night on the way home. It’s far from hate. And most of his callers are liberals. As well as the guest.
Comment by VA Voter — February 12, 2008 @ 4:24 pm
Of course, you think George W. Bush is a “liberal” so your assessment is suspect right off the bat…
February 12th, 2008 at 4:28 pmNah Erik, it’s because Progressive Bloggers manage their TIME well enough to do all those things.
Right-Wing-Conservatives have proven they can’t “MANAGE” much of anything, especially not Government, Economies, The Military, or much of anything. I’d bet Erik couldn’t locate his rump using his own two hands.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:28 pmMust be manual labor, you know ditch diggers and the like.
Comment by Buckie Boy — February 12, 2008 @ 3:34 pm
You think you are better than a ditch digger? A mechanic? The progessive compassion on display at it’s finest.
Comment by Southern Man — February 12, 2008 @ 4:21 pm
As opposed to the fictional existence of “compassionate Conservatives” , Southern Scab ?
BTW Yeah , I am better than those like yourself who stupidly voted for Chimpy the Wonder Monkey , and who continue to blindly and idiotically support /lie/apologize/excuse-make for the retarded simian………..
February 12th, 2008 at 4:28 pmI’ve been called everything from a janitor to a raciest. And a lot of stuff I’m unwilling to repeat. Not very nice.
Comment by VA Voter — February 12, 2008 @ 4:13 pm
You have had a promotion? Congradulations!
February 12th, 2008 at 4:28 pmI admit I’ve only visited RedState a few times, saw nothing but circle jerks there, and got bored. I understand that because anybody with a dissenting viewpoint gets booted, there’s really very little interesting debate over there.
A couple of reasons why progressive blogsites might get more traffic:
1) There are more progressives these days than conservatives.
2) Sites such as TP allow dissenting points of view to be posted without banning the poster (although there are exceptions if the poster is unusually abusive or disruptive). Different viewpoints allow for more discussion.
3) If we have more free time, it might be because we manage our time better. Claiming that we have free time because we abort our children and/or are unemployed is lunacy.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:28 pmBush has underfunded every social cause there is, from environment to education to healthcare for kids. He talks big and then cuts the budget. If he can sell out Americans he does, truly I think he was replaced by Osama, like the movie Face Off.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:28 pmAnd to dispute Red-Idiots statement. I have 4 grown children and as of last week, my first grandson. I also have a very, very good job, probably making more than he does.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:29 pm“Erick Erickson, editor of the popular conservative megablog RedState, conceded that progressives currently enjoy an advantage over conservatives online — though he attributed it to an asymmetry in free time, since conservatives ‘have families because we don’t abort our kids, and we have jobs because we believe in capitalism.’â€
So that’s what our trolls do when they’re not here; they edit redstate.org.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:30 pmKeltoi, you’ve been trying slither away from the Bush Abyss for weeks now, trying to reposition yer slimy butt as “something other than a conservative…”
It… ain’t… gonna… fly…
By the way… failing to check runaway spending has DEFINITELY been a hallmark of the last 3 GOOPer Presidents. Reagan and Bushes I & II have collectively run up something like 70% of the Federal deficit between the 3 of them. You can’t pin that crap on the other side.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:30 pmI listen to Gibson every night on the way home. It’s far from hate. And most of his callers are liberals. As well as the guest.
Comment by VA Voter — February 12, 2008 @ 4:24 pm
Of course, you think George W. Bush is a “liberal†so your assessment is suspect right off the bat…
Comment by ralph the wonder llama
That’s not surprising. These days, the wingnuts are trying to tell us that Benito Mussolini was a Socialist!!!!
February 12th, 2008 at 4:31 pmGOOPers and their lackeys HAVE to live in a fantasy, Wayne.
If their denial ever wore off and they had to deal w/ the mess they’ve made of every single, solitary, MEANINGFUL issue they’ve touched over the last 7 yrs, their heads would explode so fast…
February 12th, 2008 at 4:32 pmKeltoi: “Failure to veto any spending bills for first six years in the face of wild R pork spending…
Most “conservatives†would say these are “liberal†policies. The LABEL DANGER light is flashing, though.”
I’m glad your light is flashing because I’m sure you know well that this had nothing to do with being “liberal” and everything to do with party politics. He only started vetoing when Dems took over. Besides, the idea that conservatives are tighter spenders is a modern myth. The biggest spender in history was your hero, Ronald Reagan. 7 out of his 8 budgets asked for more money than the Democratic congress at the time ended up spending.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:33 pmHaha, what a goon! If there are so many of you because you don’t abort your kids, shouldn’t you be in the majority??
February 12th, 2008 at 4:36 pmKeltoi, the only thing you point out that could even be remotely considered “liberal” is the $10 billion in aid for AIDS in Africa. Not enforcing the border and allowing undocumented low-wage laborers into the country is a corporatist stunt, not liberal. No Child Left Behind is basically a capitulation to conservative world view about public education. No, conservatives got just what they wanted with GW Bush – it’s just that the modern conservative/libertarian movement has run its course and is as good as dead.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:37 pmI’ve read a couple of times over the last few years that the secret GOOPer strategy is to run up such a huge deficit that the Federal govt collapses, and has to retract permanently.
When you see the size of the deficits Herr Brusch continues to rack up, all whilst pushing to make his tax cuts permanent, in a time of “war”…
… you have to wonder…
February 12th, 2008 at 4:38 pm3) If we have more free time, it might be because we manage our time better. Claiming that we have free time because we abort our children and/or are unemployed is lunacy.
Comment by missmolly — February 12, 2008 @ 4:28 pm
Not to mention we’ve had our share of right wingers bragging that they were blogging away while they were at work, and that they couldn’t be bothered if it wasn’t on their employer’s dime.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:38 pmRight-Wing-Conservatives have proven they can’t “MANAGE†much of anything, especially not Government, Economies, The Military, or much of anything. I’d bet Erik couldn’t locate his rump using his own two hands.
Comment by BloggerRadio.com
It’s all part of the plan. Right-wings constantly tell us that government can’t work. They get into office and prove it, so they can privatize the government services they just fecked up, and they can then hand out no-bid contracts to their buddies.
It’s called disaster capitalism, and the Republicans are experts.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:38 pmIt would appear that even their own kids can’t stand them, Ike.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:39 pmSorry… Southern Mammal, but there’s NOTHING about race in the comment you’re referring to.
Are you projecting?
February 12th, 2008 at 4:40 pmIt’s so easy to throw insults and sterotypes at white folks. Let’s see you you do the same about black folks. How brave of you to insult hard working people. That’s why they don’t vote the way you do kz.
Comment by Southern Man — February 12, 2008 @ 4:38 pm
White folks? Where is there a reference to white folks? Black people can’t have big trucks and big families?
February 12th, 2008 at 4:43 pmSorry… Southern Mammal, but there’s NOTHING about race in the comment you’re referring to.
Are you projecting?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 12, 2008 @ 4:40 pm
Sooo…true…
Supreme Court Justice Clarence (Uncle Tom) Thomas attends NASCAR events as often as possible. It’s documented in “The Nine” by Jeffrey Toobin.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:44 pmWow, Southern Idiot sure is swing at air balls today.
How many strikes does this batter get?
February 12th, 2008 at 4:45 pm*swinging
my bad, hehe
February 12th, 2008 at 4:46 pm>>You blame a Republican president failing to veto a single REPUBLICAN spending bill as a “liberal policy�? Sorry, pal, but that’s a “Right-wing Liberal Stereotype†policy that holds no water in the real world.
Well, like I said, the LABEL DANGER light is flashing. I have never heard of this Erickson guy, I am trying to explain how the Right thinks as someone who has a foot in both worlds.
>>Likewise the “Zero border enforcement†crap.
Well, it isn’t crap, nothing has been done to secure the border. Now, would it be conservative to build a big ass wall there or liberal? I would think of that as conservative; he hasn’t done it, so his border policy is liberal in the eyes of conservatives – kapeesh?
Ditto failing to veto bloated government spending – it is liberal to allow it, conservative to prevent it. Bush is a Republican, but not a conservative, at least on some pretty profound issues.
As far as RoS and my slimy butt, I am trying to act as translator here, and also to point out that in the mind of many conservatives, the Republican party is no longer conservative, in much the way many of you Progressives do not view the Democrats as Progressive.
I have a question since we are here in the Jungle of Semantica, what is your distinction between the term “liberal” and “progressive”?
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 12, 2008 @ 4:26 pm
February 12th, 2008 at 4:48 pmCol Jack 4:37 – Don’t forget bush maybe puts something on a bill but then underfunds it ! Or he just adds a signing statement, such a coward instead of openly arguing his points.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:48 pmI’ve been called everything from a janitor to a raciest. And a lot of stuff I’m unwilling to repeat. Not very nice.
Comment by VA Voter — February 12, 2008 @ 4:13 pm
The point is YOU ARE STILL HERE.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:49 pmInside the mind of a conservative blogger.
It’s all dreams of secretive gay sex and guns ; and then it’s blank for the next 22 hours………………..
February 12th, 2008 at 4:49 pmDitto failing to veto bloated government spending – it is liberal to allow it, conservative to prevent it.
OH, BS… “liberal to allow it…”
Whattaload of self serving nonsense.
It is not “liberal”.
You’re now playing word games for your own entertainment.
Sorry, this isn’t Scrabble here.
It… Ain’t… Gonna… Fly…
February 12th, 2008 at 4:52 pmHa, this is what happens when I revel in my lack of organization and fail to empty the PC trash. I find old documents. This is apparently from March 2007, from digby. Take note, Keltoi.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
keltoi – are you saying that you too, feel bush has failed his conservative party’s values ? Perhaps lied about everything he touches, allows others to make policy instead of deciding for himself? How about allowing Cheney to be acting President instead of in his place as V.P. doesn’t that upset you just a little ?
February 12th, 2008 at 4:53 pmThat’s why they don’t vote the way you do kz.
Comment by Southern Man — February 12, 2008 @ 4:38 pm
yes. because they’re too stupid to see what the rpigs are doing to them. That seems to have been made quite clear, idiot.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:54 pmHow brave of you to insult hard working people. That’s why they don’t vote the way you do kz.
Comment by Southern Man — February 12, 2008 @ 4:38 pm
Wow. I had no idea that conservative voters were THAT petty. Apparently, they don’t vote the way we do because we insult them on our blogs.
So… if we just stop insulting them, then we’ll be living in a socialist paradise, right SM?
February 12th, 2008 at 4:54 pmSouthern Man gets flagged for an off-topic post and personal attack, and for general stupidity (which, alas, is not against the ToU, so they’ll likely ignore that third point)
Southern Man completely missed the post he was replying to. I mean, no where in krazeeinjun’s original post did he mention the race of the people. However, Southern Man must have seen himself in that image, and I suspect he’s white, so he thought that krazeeinjun was attacking him, and the only reason krazeeinjun could have been attacking him is, of course, because he is…*wait for it*….white.
*beat*
*beat*
*beat*
Riiiiiiiight….
What Southern Man doesn’t get is that conservatives come in all races, and both Male and Female. Krazeeinjun got it right…the majority of families who still support Bush are juggling three crappy jobs to pay off their McMansionMortgage and their GasGuzzlerFromHeck, while their wives are juggling the numerous kids mouths to feed and looking forward to the only break they get from the day to day life they have — church.
Yes, that family is white. It’s black too. And hispanic. And every other race and ethnicity in the USA. Conservative Stupidity(tm) knows no bounds…
But Southern Man’s too stupid to realize that this was not about him. He’s also too egotistical to realize that either. Tisk tisk…
February 12th, 2008 at 4:55 pmI listen to Gibson every night on the way home. It’s far from hate. And most of his callers are liberals. As well as the guest.
Comment by VA Voter — February 12, 2008 @ 4:24 pm
liar.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:56 pmDitto failing to veto bloated government spending – it is liberal to allow it, conservative to prevent it. Bush is a Republican, but not a conservative, at least on some pretty profound issues.
Comment by Keltoi — February 12, 2008 @ 4:48 pm
Your error is in suggesting that liberals support bloated spending, Keltoi and your blinkers are firmly in place. Liberals support government spending on projects they approve of; miraculously, so do conservatives, but they disagree on what those projects are. Neither liberals nor conservatives approve of spending on projects that they don’t approve of, and therefore define that as “bloat.”
Pretty much all politicians approve of spending money in their home district, because then they are loved and re-elected. Spending in someone else’s home district is bloat unless voting for it can be swapped for voting for spending at home; then it’s fiscally responsible.
GWB has identified himself as a conservative many times, and like I said, up until very recently all the conservatives thought he hung the moon and walked on water. Bush was as “conservative” as any other “conservative” politician, but seven years of “conservative” administration has pretty well established that the whole philosophy doesn’t work in the real world. The “bloat” has all come from policies and programs that were advanced by “conservatives”, including a lot of “strong defense” conservatives.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:59 pm“I find their approach to this endlessly amusing. Dissent is crushed on conservative blogs. Not just dismissed and margianilized like happens here, it is flat out deleted and the poster is banned.
Extreme? Yes.
Within their rights? Sure
Anti-First Amendment? Absolutely.
Hillariously hypcritical? You bet.”
Comment by bobcat_grad — February 12, 2008 @ 3:48 pm
True dat! ;)
Funny last night on K.O. Pat Buchanon was decrying the sate of the Republican party because of their insipid party line lockstepping and their incessant crushing of dissent within their own ranks. I was dumbfounded because I didn’t know if I should take a bath or a shower because I was AGREEING w/ him… I felt so dirty! ;)
February 12th, 2008 at 5:00 pmComment by Southern Man — February 12, 2008 @ 4:56 pm
So you’re just going to ignore the whole “white people” thing? You don’t feel a need to respond, given that you accused someone of being a racist?
February 12th, 2008 at 5:00 pm>>Likewise the “Zero border enforcement†crap.
Well, it isn’t crap, nothing has been done to secure the border. Now, would it be conservative to build a big ass wall there or liberal? I would think of that as conservative; he hasn’t done it, so his border policy is liberal in the eyes of conservatives – kapeesh?
Ditto failing to veto bloated government spending – it is liberal to allow it, conservative to prevent it. Bush is a Republican, but not a conservative, at least on some pretty profound issues.
Comment by Keltoi — February 12, 2008 @ 4:48 pm
I appreciate your attempt at translation, but you should make it more clear whether you hold these views or not.
For instance, when you say “Now, would it be conservative to build a big ass wall there or liberal?” you imply that the only two courses of action are 1) build a big-ass fence or 2) do nothing, and the liberals will naturally do nothing.
You do allow the disclaimer that this is in the eyes of conservatives but your original post did not include any such labels.
And your final paragraph, Ditto failing to veto bloated government spending – it is liberal to allow it, conservative to prevent it. Bush is a Republican, but not a conservative, at least on some pretty profound issues.
makes it sound as if you really believe (despite all evidence of the past thirty years) that Republicans really are not the party of bloated government spending.
This, I have to say, severely undermines your credibility.
February 12th, 2008 at 5:00 pmgummitch, let’s reframe this argument in terms of “capable” vs “incompetent”, or “honest” vs “criminal”, or “sane” vs “delusional”.
When keltoi keeps trying to make bad fiscal policy a “liberal trait”, he’s just playing word games because he’s running on fumes.
It… Ain’t… Gonna… Fly…
February 12th, 2008 at 5:03 pmkeltoi – are you saying that you too, feel bush has failed his conservative party’s values ? Perhaps lied about everything he touches, allows others to make policy instead of deciding for himself? How about allowing Cheney to be acting President instead of in his place as V.P. doesn’t that upset you just a little ?
Comment by texaslady — February 12, 2008 @ 4:53 pm
Yeah, I am pretty tired of him. I think of him as incompetent and out of touch as opposed to diabolical, but I won’t be sad in Jan 09.
If Obama wins I will seriously consider voting Democrat, I guess that says it all.
February 12th, 2008 at 5:12 pmPerhaps it’s because of crap like this that gets posted on his site (yet let someone speak against the war and you are outta there) and people are seeing them for what they really are:
Link.
And to think the person who posted the main story in that thread spoke about the “Christian” thing to do when he criticized the hostages for not thanking the rescuers right at the moment they were freed.
February 12th, 2008 at 5:12 pmkeltoi – 5:12 Wow thats really amazing. Don’t feel bad many others were fooled too, Jack Cafferty, about 30 friends of ours.
February 12th, 2008 at 5:15 pmNo, they just don’t care for people like you. And most people can see why. How old are you?
Comment by Southern Man — February 12, 2008 @ 5:10 pm
they’re not voting for me. They’re voting for the republican party to screw them out of their money and send their kids to war for oil profits. they’re really very stupid, as are you. Why should they have to like me? At least they should like their kids, and their country, but it looks like they’re just too stupid and easily frightened by the lies of the likes of you.
February 12th, 2008 at 5:19 pmYou would be insulting your own inteligence to argue otherwise.
Comment by Southern Man — February 12, 2008 @ 5:19 pm
he was clearly taking a shot at all republican voters, and he clearly hit the bullseye, which is why you’re endlessly whining about it. The truth does hurt wussy little cowards like you.
February 12th, 2008 at 5:20 pmWhen keltoi keeps trying to make bad fiscal policy a “liberal traitâ€, he’s just playing word games because he’s running on fumes.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 12, 2008 @ 5:03 pm
Perhaps. Aren’t you supposed to get more conservative as you get older? Yet I find myself moving the other way. It is a testament to how bad Bush has managed things…either that, or we are on one of those cusp of history moments when all the old ways of thinking don’t work anymore and every previous paradigm has to be tossed. If Obama wins, I would say that heralds something TOTALLY different than all that has gone before in US History.
February 12th, 2008 at 5:21 pmHow about the time you insulted my wife Matt? Sexually insulted my wife. And she wasn’t in the conversation. You just decided to insult any, and everyone to be hateful. I didn’t flag you either. A real man doesn’t flag. Do you remember that Matt? How about I re-post it. Thanks for the laugh though.
Comment by Southern Man — February 12, 2008 @ 4:56 pm
February 12th, 2008 at 5:22 pmYou actually found someone stupid enough to marry you ? No wonder Doc was caught off guard ; BTW your wife ? What’s his name ?
It’s so easy to throw insults and sterotypes at white folks. Let’s see you you do the same about black folks. How brave of you to insult hard working people. That’s why they don’t vote the way you do kz.
Comment by Southern Man — February 12, 2008 @ 4:38 pm
wow, you were ever so wrong in you racist assumption. projection, it’s called; since you’re a racist, you figure everybody is. stupid has no color.
February 12th, 2008 at 5:23 pmKeltoi: “If Obama wins I will seriously consider voting Democrat, I guess that says it all.”
Is that because Obama’s positions are marginally more conservative than Clinton’s, or because you just like Obama, or because you somehow hate Clinton? I’m interested in this “repubs voting for Obama thing.”
February 12th, 2008 at 5:24 pmPerhaps. Aren’t you supposed to get more conservative as you get older.
Comment by Keltoi — February 12, 2008 @ 5:21 pm
February 12th, 2008 at 5:24 pmYeah , if you’re weak-minded ……..And you certainly qualify there.
If Obama wins, I would say that heralds something TOTALLY different than all that has gone before in US History.
Comment by Keltoi — February 12, 2008 @ 5:21 pm
Why should one get more conservative as one gets older? Is it laziness or cowardice that causes it?
February 12th, 2008 at 5:24 pmIs it laziness or cowardice that causes it?
Comment by Lefty Patriot — February 12, 2008 @ 5:24 pm
Ummm
Yes
and yes
February 12th, 2008 at 5:25 pmHey go easy on Keltoi he admitted he was disappointed in bush’s direction of the republican party. That is a start. That is huge !
February 12th, 2008 at 5:26 pmWasn’t the original expression that you get more conservative the RICHER you get?
February 12th, 2008 at 5:27 pmGotta skate, have a nice day, all.
February 12th, 2008 at 5:27 pmKeltoi: “If Obama wins, I would say that heralds something TOTALLY different than all that has gone before in US History.”
In what way? Surely, it’s not his political policies – there’s nothing that’s radically new there. Is it that he’s an African American? Because it that’s it, the same phenomenon could be said of Hillary Clinton – she’d be the first woman elected president. So, what exactly is it?
February 12th, 2008 at 5:27 pmHe was clearly taking a shot at republican white voters. And adding the stereotypes proves it. Don’t pretend you don’t understand that. You would be insulting your own inteligence to argue otherwise.
Comment by Southern Man — February 12, 2008 @ 5:19 pm
Those are your own prejudices, SM.
February 12th, 2008 at 5:30 pmIn what way? Surely, it’s not his political policies – there’s nothing that’s radically new there. Is it that he’s an African American? Because it that’s it, the same phenomenon could be said of Hillary Clinton – she’d be the first woman elected president. So, what exactly is it?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — February 12, 2008 @ 5:27 pm
A favorite topic, but I lack the time to discuss at present – we have months at least, though.
February 12th, 2008 at 5:31 pmThose are your own prejudices, SM.
Comment by gummitch — February 12, 2008 @ 5:30 pm
Shhhhhh, gummitch… you’ll only confuse it.
February 12th, 2008 at 5:33 pmFlag This [CENSORED]
It wasn’t off topic.
Comment by Southern Man — February 12, 2008 @ 5:16 pm
Well, if SM insists, then *click* it is done.
Musta hit a nerve. It didn’t even bother to try to counter my points. I suspect because it knows that they are true…projection, anyone?
February 12th, 2008 at 5:37 pmIs it laziness or cowardice that causes it?
Comment by Lefty Patriot — February 12, 2008 @ 5:24 pm
Hardening of the arteries?
Onset of senile dementia?
February 12th, 2008 at 5:39 pmHuh?
Southern Mammal openly ADMITTED a lot of us here are HONEST PROGRESSIVES?
Any bets he tries to backtrack once someone ‘plains his own words to him?
February 12th, 2008 at 5:40 pmAll snark aside, conservatism tends to look more appealing the older one gets because one has accumulated stuff that one wants to protect. Not only material stuff, but that’s a big part of it. Home, family, position…
Liberalism is more about making things better — in a word, change. It takes courage to still push for change when one has accumulated stuff that change puts at risk.
That’s how I see it, anyway.
February 12th, 2008 at 5:45 pmTRoS, yeah, that was funny. I think we’re getting to him. He even mentioned himself in that post…and thinks LP does more damage than he does. ;) ;) ;)
Yeah, Lefty Patriot, you’re really hurting our cause. Better stop it, ya know, cause it’s not like we’re turning out almost 2 democrats for every 1 republican in the primaries. ;) ;) ;) ;) :D (Hope your snark filters are at 100%. :-D )
February 12th, 2008 at 5:47 pm135: Exactly. That’s conservatism, and that’s why it’s appealing to the older folks. I bet I get more conservative in my 40s, 50s, and so on, as I accumulate ‘things’. But maybe if I don’t accumulate ‘things’ (or the things change so quickly that old things just get handed down to someone else), maybe I won’t ever get Conservative in my old age. ;)
February 12th, 2008 at 5:48 pmI think turnout for the general election is going to run at more of a 3-1 or 4-1 ratio. No one’s going to let a “diebold” margin of error c*ck things up ever again.
February 12th, 2008 at 5:50 pmAnd who sez Cons don’t have a sense of humor, Jeremy?
February 12th, 2008 at 5:51 pmA comment on this crank’s logic. Having a job has absolutely nothing to do with believing in capitalism. Being a non-thinking, knee-jerk, ideological ignoramus does!
February 12th, 2008 at 5:56 pmComment by Southern Man — February 12, 2008 @ 5:53 pm
…
*snicker*
*clears throat*
*busts out in raucous laughter*
Tell me another, SM. I needed a good laugh.
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And who sez Cons don’t have a sense of humor, Jeremy?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 12, 2008 @ 5:51 pm
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Exactly. Geez. And you know the sad thing? SM won’t get that it is the butt of the joke.
Anyway, I’m outta here. I have class to go to, by way of food.
February 12th, 2008 at 5:57 pmAll snark aside, conservatism tends to look more appealing the older one gets because one has accumulated stuff that one wants to protect. Not only material stuff, but that’s a big part of it. Home, family, position…
Liberalism is more about making things better — in a word, change. It takes courage to still push for change when one has accumulated stuff that change puts at risk.
That’s how I see it, anyway.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 12, 2008 @ 5:45 pm
You need to explain all this to my dad, who just turned 86 and has gotten angrier and farther to the Left every year since about 1968. It just ain’t true.
February 12th, 2008 at 6:01 pmI am in here to learn. And I am. There are many honest progressives. And there are a few hardcore leftist that hurt the message trying to be taught here.
Comment by Southern Man — February 12, 2008 @ 5:53 pm
That’s a shame.
Of course, there are a couple of scattered well-intentioned conservatives in here, and when I run across trolls, I don’t assume that the trolls speak for Keltoi and the Cap’n and “hurt their message”…
I wonder why that is…
February 12th, 2008 at 6:02 pmYou need to explain all this to my dad, who just turned 86 and has gotten angrier and farther to the Left every year since about 1968. It just ain’t true.
Comment by gummitch — February 12, 2008 @ 6:01 pm
Point taken, gum. And of course, I didn’t mean to apply this truism universally.
Perhaps your dad is just more courageous than most people.
February 12th, 2008 at 6:04 pm” There are many honest progressives. And there are a few hardcore leftist that hurt the message trying to be taught here.
Comment by Southern Man — February 12, 2008 @ 5:53 pm”
…now imagine that they were running the country and all its big businesses, and you’ll have an idea how most of us feel.
February 12th, 2008 at 6:07 pmComment by Southern Man — February 12, 2008 @ 5:53 pm
LIAR!
February 12th, 2008 at 6:18 pmI am in here to learn. And I am.
Comment by Southern Man — February 12, 2008 @ 5:53 pm
BULLSHIT! Based on all of your previous post this is just more smoke and smell!!
Do not engage this white-flag waving, sudden convert!! I don’t trust this moron in any way until he starts to learn on his own and join the cause based on his own research…
He’s jerkin’ you guys around with the sudden convert/concern troll act! Give me a break!!
February 12th, 2008 at 6:27 pmOne thing I’ve found quite consistently is that “reality based” blogs, like Think Progress, invite comments. Probably because they want input in order to get the “reality” as accurate as possible.
Conservative blogs tend to either not allow comments, allow comments only to those who pay, or allow comments to those who go through quite a few other hoops. (I’m sure there are exceptions, I just don’t stumble upon them all that often.)
This is probably because they aren’t based in reality. Those blogs are essentially scripted by a central authority that only wants a certain view out there. And truth and or accuracy can interfere with that goal.
Whereas the “reality based”, AKA more liberal sites, strive for the truth and accept input from the masses to optimize that truth, the conservatives are all about manipulating those masses.
February 12th, 2008 at 6:45 pmShit, Dixie.
We can make up our own minds.
Take a nap.
Comment by justasking — February 12, 2008 @ 6:48 pm
I know you can. I invite you to make up your own mind and abide by your conscience.
I’m just testifyin’ here. You can ignore me. I don’t mind.
Thanks for askin’ me to take a nap instead of a ‘pill’ like so many others here do!
However, I don’t need a nap. I need my gawd damned Democracy back!!
February 12th, 2008 at 6:59 pm“sorry I didn’t jump in before. I’m at work and that hinders my ability to post.”
Comment by VA Voter — February 12, 2008 @ 4:13 pm
It’s tough to post when you’re moppin’
February 12th, 2008 at 7:03 pmYou do more damage than projection trolls.
Comment by Southern Man — February 12, 2008 @ 5:38 pm
I certainly seem to be bruising your poor little ego.
February 12th, 2008 at 7:18 pmYou actually found someone stupid enough to marry “you ? No wonder Doc was caught off guard ; BTW your wife ? What’s his name ?”
Comment by MCMetal — February 12, 2008 @ 5:22 pm
Thanks for the laugh! I’m still laughing as I post this! Keep up the great work!
February 12th, 2008 at 7:27 pmKeltoi says:
“Most conservatives are in a state of depression or despair.”
YEAH, YEAH, YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEAH, YEAH, YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEAH, YEAH, YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Happy days are here again,
the skys above
are clear again
let us sing a song
of chear again
Happy days are here again.
I hope they start leaping from buildings by the truckload, the fu(king lemmings.
February 12th, 2008 at 7:43 pmWasn’t there a study released that liberals read more books than cons?
February 12th, 2008 at 7:43 pmOk it should have been skies, my bad.
They are still FU(KING TRAITORS
February 12th, 2008 at 7:44 pmCons know about books? Which tube did they read that on?
February 12th, 2008 at 7:45 pmerick “The Schumck” erickson has spoken. (sound of crickets . . . fade to nothing).
February 12th, 2008 at 11:05 pmErick is absolutely right — how the hell do you expect red-state conservatives to find time to read blogs online while juggling those 3 jobs at Burger King, Wal-Mart and Wally’s Fillin Station, making payments on the 10mpg 4wd monster truck, and keeping track of the latest NASCAR standings — and all the while the barefoot and pregnant wife is at home trying to keep the 7 kids clothed and fed while planning with the other church ladies to figure out where the next protest at a Planned Parenthood clinic is going to be?? Sheesh!!
Just saying . . .
Comment by krazeeinjun — February 12, 2008 @ 4:00 pm
Fortunately, not all libs have as dim a view of working people as do you. At least your slam is somewhat less hateful than “wal-mart aisleway wandering idiots” and “and trailer trash NASCAR morons.â€
February 13th, 2008 at 1:43 amGWB has identified himself as a conservative many times…
Comment by gummitch — February 12, 2008 @ 4:59 pm
Much like Joe Lieberman used to call himself a Democrat.
February 13th, 2008 at 1:57 amConservative bloggers have minds?!?!??!!!!!
Wow! Who could have guessed.
February 13th, 2008 at 9:47 amMaybe there are more “liberals” on blogs than “conservatives” because the blogs necessarily require the powers of literacy and critical thought.
February 13th, 2008 at 10:01 amAnd liberals tend to have a basis in reality not delusion.
Don’t underestimate the power of the so-called “Right” to affect the internet. A former Wall Street Journal operative moved to Yahoo! and promptly took down Yahoo’s VERY popular and DEMOCRATIC message boards PERMANENTLY. There has been nothing to replace them since.
February 13th, 2008 at 10:05 amAnd NET NEUTRALITY is coming up to bite us all real soon. Just as soon as they figure out how to do it, the powers that be will be eliminating your ability to access alternative information on the internet.