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		<title>By: batteries</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/mccain-waterboarding-fail/comment-page-4/#comment-5284066</link>
		<dc:creator>batteries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friend, like SO many Republicans I know you JUST DON’T GET IT!!! The fed hands hundreds of billions of dollars yearly to mega wealthy corporations, and ultra wealthy individuals for what? So they can ship our economy to China??
My point is the next time you see an illegal alien receiving free medical care try and think about where most of the things in the clinic are made. Try to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.batterylaptoppower.com/acer/btp-58a1.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;acer btp-58a1 battery&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.batterylaptoppower.com/acer/aspire-1360.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;acer aspire 1360 battery&lt;/a&gt; phathom why the federal government is NOT ALLOWED to negotiate with multi-billion dollar pharmacuetical companies for the lowest drug price, Try to remember that the vehicle he arrives in if fueled with federal tax dollars paid to corporations like Exxon-Mobil. Need I go on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend, like SO many Republicans I know you JUST DON’T GET IT!!! The fed hands hundreds of billions of dollars yearly to mega wealthy corporations, and ultra wealthy individuals for what? So they can ship our economy to China??<br />
My point is the next time you see an illegal alien receiving free medical care try and think about where most of the things in the clinic are made. Try to <a href="http://www.batterylaptoppower.com/acer/btp-58a1.htm" rel="nofollow">acer btp-58a1 battery</a>,<a href="http://www.batterylaptoppower.com/acer/aspire-1360.htm" rel="nofollow">acer aspire 1360 battery</a> phathom why the federal government is NOT ALLOWED to negotiate with multi-billion dollar pharmacuetical companies for the lowest drug price, Try to remember that the vehicle he arrives in if fueled with federal tax dollars paid to corporations like Exxon-Mobil. Need I go on?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5284066', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: alida</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/mccain-waterboarding-fail/comment-page-4/#comment-5146720</link>
		<dc:creator>alida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been trying to find a transcript of the interview with McCain on the Jay Leno show on 9/18/2001. He was a guest when the show reopened after 911. I remember him saying that USA would now need to use methods like torture and espionage measures that the CIA had been denied to deal with the event.
Anyone remember this, or know how to find the transcript?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been trying to find a transcript of the interview with McCain on the Jay Leno show on 9/18/2001. He was a guest when the show reopened after 911. I remember him saying that USA would now need to use methods like torture and espionage measures that the CIA had been denied to deal with the event.<br />
Anyone remember this, or know how to find the transcript?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5146720', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: tjcmanx</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/mccain-waterboarding-fail/comment-page-4/#comment-4267386</link>
		<dc:creator>tjcmanx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just plain spin. A big problem in politics is a lack of straightforward honesty. This blog on McCain is not accurate. McCain voted against the bill that had a provision that banned waterboarding, but that is not the reason he voted against the bill, which again was about more than just waterboarding.

His press release: http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.PressReleases&amp;ContentRecord_id=1863d120-d46b-b3f4-335c-bad46c47b725&amp;Region_id=&amp;Issue_id=1bd7f3a7-a52b-4ad0-a338-646c6a780d65).

I am not Republican nor a conservative, but honesty compels me to correct this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just plain spin. A big problem in politics is a lack of straightforward honesty. This blog on McCain is not accurate. McCain voted against the bill that had a provision that banned waterboarding, but that is not the reason he voted against the bill, which again was about more than just waterboarding.</p>
<p>His press release: <a href="http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.PressReleases&amp;ContentRecord_id=1863d120-d46b-b3f4-335c-bad46c47b725&amp;Region_id=&amp;Issue_id=1bd7f3a7-a52b-4ad0-a338-646c6a780d65)" rel="nofollow">http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.PressReleases&amp;ContentRecord_id=1863d120-d46b-b3f4-335c-bad46c47b725&amp;Region_id=&amp;Issue_id=1bd7f3a7-a52b-4ad0-a338-646c6a780d65)</a>.</p>
<p>I am not Republican nor a conservative, but honesty compels me to correct this blog.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4267386', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: JoeAxe</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/mccain-waterboarding-fail/comment-page-4/#comment-4267044</link>
		<dc:creator>JoeAxe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does my party try to force this wank on me? He lost before many time because most do not like him. There is not a &quot;my turn&quot; for president. I will definitely cast my Ohio vote but not for this warmonger. We need to save money and lives not spend them willy nilly on wars.
Conservative-conserve-conservation-not liberal=not McCain

deedeedee if you don&#039;t get it

no nation building
build ours</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does my party try to force this wank on me? He lost before many time because most do not like him. There is not a &#8220;my turn&#8221; for president. I will definitely cast my Ohio vote but not for this warmonger. We need to save money and lives not spend them willy nilly on wars.<br />
Conservative-conserve-conservation-not liberal=not McCain</p>
<p>deedeedee if you don&#8217;t get it</p>
<p>no nation building<br />
build ours<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4267044', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark701</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/mccain-waterboarding-fail/comment-page-4/#comment-4266565</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark701</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fiesty1960(Comment #103) You are a sad case. You have all the right-wing talking points nailed down. Your paranoia and xenophobia are a tribute to the policies of your party.

First, if you&#039;d done ANY reading, you&#039;d understand that torture is extremely unreliable as a form of obtaining accurate information. What Bush/Cheney have claimed about gaining good information by using this method is simply another lie on top of a mountain of lies about Iraq, WMDs, tapping our phone lines, 9/11, the economy etc, etc, etc. They simply never tell the truth, ever. 

I see that you&#039;ve also bought the Fox &quot;News&quot; talking points about your tax dollars going to illegal aliens. Can&#039;t argue that. I hate the fed turning my money over to the poor and disenfranchised. 

Like you, I&#039;d rather see them turn it over to multi-billion dollar corporations that send US jobs overseas! Oh, did I surprise you?  How about this, Intel, which get huge tax subsidies is building a manufacturing plant that will put 4000 people to work, IN CHINA! Exxon-Mobil, you know, the guys who just reported $40,000,000,000 in profits is currently lobbying the fed for tax subsidies as &quot;incentive&quot; to drill for oil. How about Wal-Mart, surely THEY don&#039;t take subsidies. Sorry but Wal-Mart takes huge federal and local tax subsidies THEN instructs their workers on how to apply for state medical assistance. Where do you think the friendly people who give you directory assisstance live? The one I spoke to lived in the Phillipines. Yet, guess who your friendly Republicans still give huge tax breaks to, yes, Verizon, AT&amp;T etc!! Guess where my last xray was read? India! 

Did you ever stop and wonder why there are 35,000 lobbyists in Washington DC??
Hint: NONE of them are there to give money to the government.

My friend, like SO many Republicans I know you JUST DON&#039;T GET IT!!! The fed hands hundreds of billions of dollars yearly to mega wealthy corporations, and ultra wealthy individuals for what? So they can ship our economy to China?? 
My point is the next time you see an illegal alien receiving free medical care try and think about where most of the things in the clinic are made. Try to phathom why the federal government is NOT ALLOWED to negotiate with multi-billion dollar pharmacuetical companies for the lowest drug price, Try to remember that the vehicle he arrives in if fueled with federal tax dollars paid to corporations like Exxon-Mobil. Need I go on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fiesty1960(Comment #103) You are a sad case. You have all the right-wing talking points nailed down. Your paranoia and xenophobia are a tribute to the policies of your party.</p>
<p>First, if you&#8217;d done ANY reading, you&#8217;d understand that torture is extremely unreliable as a form of obtaining accurate information. What Bush/Cheney have claimed about gaining good information by using this method is simply another lie on top of a mountain of lies about Iraq, WMDs, tapping our phone lines, 9/11, the economy etc, etc, etc. They simply never tell the truth, ever. </p>
<p>I see that you&#8217;ve also bought the Fox &#8220;News&#8221; talking points about your tax dollars going to illegal aliens. Can&#8217;t argue that. I hate the fed turning my money over to the poor and disenfranchised. </p>
<p>Like you, I&#8217;d rather see them turn it over to multi-billion dollar corporations that send US jobs overseas! Oh, did I surprise you?  How about this, Intel, which get huge tax subsidies is building a manufacturing plant that will put 4000 people to work, IN CHINA! Exxon-Mobil, you know, the guys who just reported $40,000,000,000 in profits is currently lobbying the fed for tax subsidies as &#8220;incentive&#8221; to drill for oil. How about Wal-Mart, surely THEY don&#8217;t take subsidies. Sorry but Wal-Mart takes huge federal and local tax subsidies THEN instructs their workers on how to apply for state medical assistance. Where do you think the friendly people who give you directory assisstance live? The one I spoke to lived in the Phillipines. Yet, guess who your friendly Republicans still give huge tax breaks to, yes, Verizon, AT&amp;T etc!! Guess where my last xray was read? India! </p>
<p>Did you ever stop and wonder why there are 35,000 lobbyists in Washington DC??<br />
Hint: NONE of them are there to give money to the government.</p>
<p>My friend, like SO many Republicans I know you JUST DON&#8217;T GET IT!!! The fed hands hundreds of billions of dollars yearly to mega wealthy corporations, and ultra wealthy individuals for what? So they can ship our economy to China??<br />
My point is the next time you see an illegal alien receiving free medical care try and think about where most of the things in the clinic are made. Try to phathom why the federal government is NOT ALLOWED to negotiate with multi-billion dollar pharmacuetical companies for the lowest drug price, Try to remember that the vehicle he arrives in if fueled with federal tax dollars paid to corporations like Exxon-Mobil. Need I go on?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4266565', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: lizdexic</title>
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		<dc:creator>lizdexic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jojo the Dog-faced Boy is a very sick bigoted piece of crap.
(Yeah, Jews like torture the way blacks like lynching.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jojo the Dog-faced Boy is a very sick bigoted piece of crap.<br />
(Yeah, Jews like torture the way blacks like lynching.)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4266530', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: RFIDemocracy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I researched the Bush TREASON for the last 7 years, and it stretches back 70 to when his granddaddy laundered Nazi money.

Thanks for mentioning that and you might add, Prescott Bush was party to a coup attempt that was to overthrow the US government in the 30s.
Google Smedley Butler....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I researched the Bush TREASON for the last 7 years, and it stretches back 70 to when his granddaddy laundered Nazi money.</p>
<p>Thanks for mentioning that and you might add, Prescott Bush was party to a coup attempt that was to overthrow the US government in the 30s.<br />
Google Smedley Butler&#8230;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4266347', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: shoeless</title>
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		<dc:creator>shoeless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And we thought McCain would skip the vote.  It was very courageous of him to violate his own most deep-seated core principles in order to pander to the blood-thirsty, psychotic, pro-torture, Christian right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And we thought McCain would skip the vote.  It was very courageous of him to violate his own most deep-seated core principles in order to pander to the blood-thirsty, psychotic, pro-torture, Christian right.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4266341', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bad Eye</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/mccain-waterboarding-fail/comment-page-4/#comment-4266312</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad Eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm...Feisty1960 didn&#039;t hang around for long, did she??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm&#8230;Feisty1960 didn&#8217;t hang around for long, did she??<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4266312', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: JoJo The Dog-Faced Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoJo The Dog-Faced Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The kikes LOVE torture. The kikes are backing the Straight  Jewlover Express.

He has to obey his kike pig masters, OR ELSE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The kikes LOVE torture. The kikes are backing the Straight  Jewlover Express.</p>
<p>He has to obey his kike pig masters, OR ELSE!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4266308', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: piltdown</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The â€˜Assâ€™ in assinine
The â€˜Jerkâ€™ in jerkoff
The â€˜Foolâ€™ in foolish
Comment by Saint Augustine â€” February 13, 2008 @ 7:22 pm

The Ick in Prick?

Comment by RUCerious â€” February 13, 2008 @ 7:28 pm
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No, he puts the &quot;ick&quot; in &quot;maverick&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The â€˜Assâ€™ in assinine<br />
The â€˜Jerkâ€™ in jerkoff<br />
The â€˜Foolâ€™ in foolish<br />
Comment by Saint Augustine â€” February 13, 2008 @ 7:22 pm</p>
<p>The Ick in Prick?</p>
<p>Comment by RUCerious â€” February 13, 2008 @ 7:28 pm<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
No, he puts the &#8220;ick&#8221; in &#8220;maverick&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4266307', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Max-1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max-1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

What John McCampaign meant to say was:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;IT&#039;S NOT TORTURE WHEN AMERICA DOES IT.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.</p>
<p>What John McCampaign meant to say was:<br />
<i>&#8220;IT&#8217;S NOT TORTURE WHEN AMERICA DOES IT.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4266304', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: USpace</title>
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		<dc:creator>USpace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pouring water on people is nothing like the torture that McCain went through.  Nah, that terrorist monkey Sheik behind 9/11 didn&#039;t deserve to be treated inhumanely.  Poor little monkey, boo hoo...

.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
never torture anyone

even if it&#039;s only way
to save planet Earth


.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
don&#039;t be mean to terrorists

never make them fear for life
give them no reason to talk


.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
treat terrorists like soldiers

include stateless actors
in Geneva Convention
.

http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/
.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pouring water on people is nothing like the torture that McCain went through.  Nah, that terrorist monkey Sheik behind 9/11 didn&#8217;t deserve to be treated inhumanely.  Poor little monkey, boo hoo&#8230;</p>
<p>.<br />
absurd thought -<br />
God of the Universe says<br />
never torture anyone</p>
<p>even if it&#8217;s only way<br />
to save planet Earth</p>
<p>.<br />
absurd thought -<br />
God of the Universe says<br />
don&#8217;t be mean to terrorists</p>
<p>never make them fear for life<br />
give them no reason to talk</p>
<p>.<br />
absurd thought -<br />
God of the Universe says<br />
treat terrorists like soldiers</p>
<p>include stateless actors<br />
in Geneva Convention<br />
.</p>
<p><a href="http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/</a><br />
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		<title>By: Max-1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max-1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

&lt;i&gt;Comment by Feisty1960 â€” February 13, 2008 @ 8:59 pm&lt;/i&gt;

Now, now, Feisty...
I know your arguments:

1) The terrorists hate us for our freedoms...
Then why give them away so freely? Sounds like BushCo and his Loyalists(this means YOU) don&#039;t care for them either, otherwise you would be in the streets fighting to preserve those very freedoms they hate us for.

~ Got a WARRANT?
~ Got Habeas Corpus?
~ Got innocent until PROVEN guilty?
~ Got Geneva Conventions?

2) The terrorists chop off heads, etc...
Yes, some of them do and others blow up innocent children and women. But really, using the misdeeds of the &quot;ENEMY&quot; as an excuse to violate laws does not distinguish you from that &quot;ENEMY&quot;, instead it draws you closer to that same path that &quot;ENEMY&quot; walks. This is a case where fighting fire with fire makes you an arsonist, where beating them is not joining them; where walking the high road is not following in that &quot;ENEMIES&quot; footsteps.

3) TORTURE WORKS...
False! TORTURE produces false and inaccurate results. Relying upon accurate(100%) information so as to save a populace requires reliable information, not information given so as to make the TORTURE stop. Say if you had a &quot;SUSPECTED&quot;(not proven to be) terrorist and TORTURED him/her and they gave up information that they were gonna detonate a bomb in L.A. - GREAT... RIGHT? But since you had captured them, the cell changed plans. How is that captured SUSPECT supposed to know that the cell changed the destination to say... D.C.? He won&#039;t, you won&#039;t and most certainly D.C. won&#039;t. Who wins then? 

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<p><i>Comment by Feisty1960 â€” February 13, 2008 @ 8:59 pm</i></p>
<p>Now, now, Feisty&#8230;<br />
I know your arguments:</p>
<p>1) The terrorists hate us for our freedoms&#8230;<br />
Then why give them away so freely? Sounds like BushCo and his Loyalists(this means YOU) don&#8217;t care for them either, otherwise you would be in the streets fighting to preserve those very freedoms they hate us for.</p>
<p>~ Got a WARRANT?<br />
~ Got Habeas Corpus?<br />
~ Got innocent until PROVEN guilty?<br />
~ Got Geneva Conventions?</p>
<p>2) The terrorists chop off heads, etc&#8230;<br />
Yes, some of them do and others blow up innocent children and women. But really, using the misdeeds of the &#8220;ENEMY&#8221; as an excuse to violate laws does not distinguish you from that &#8220;ENEMY&#8221;, instead it draws you closer to that same path that &#8220;ENEMY&#8221; walks. This is a case where fighting fire with fire makes you an arsonist, where beating them is not joining them; where walking the high road is not following in that &#8220;ENEMIES&#8221; footsteps.</p>
<p>3) TORTURE WORKS&#8230;<br />
False! TORTURE produces false and inaccurate results. Relying upon accurate(100%) information so as to save a populace requires reliable information, not information given so as to make the TORTURE stop. Say if you had a &#8220;SUSPECTED&#8221;(not proven to be) terrorist and TORTURED him/her and they gave up information that they were gonna detonate a bomb in L.A. &#8211; GREAT&#8230; RIGHT? But since you had captured them, the cell changed plans. How is that captured SUSPECT supposed to know that the cell changed the destination to say&#8230; D.C.? He won&#8217;t, you won&#8217;t and most certainly D.C. won&#8217;t. Who wins then? </p>
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		<title>By: Max-1</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

&lt;b&gt;I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR THE FORMER POW/TORTURE VICTIM OF NAM.&lt;/b&gt;

McCampaign votes to institute torture as an American Principle...
The former POW and torture victim voted to allow the mistreatment that he once trotted out for our sympathies. 

BURN IN HELL JOHN!!!

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<p><b>I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR THE FORMER POW/TORTURE VICTIM OF NAM.</b></p>
<p>McCampaign votes to institute torture as an American Principle&#8230;<br />
The former POW and torture victim voted to allow the mistreatment that he once trotted out for our sympathies. </p>
<p>BURN IN HELL JOHN!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sabyen91</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 05:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;With this vote, McCain proves to me, beyond doubt, that he is an unstable, craven little man who will willing compromise anything for a chance at the brass ring.&quot;

Agreed...his opposition to torture was his one remaining positive.  Now...it has because a huge negative.  He knows torture is a horrible thing but he will support it to be president.  I can&#039;t even imagine Hillary doing such a thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;With this vote, McCain proves to me, beyond doubt, that he is an unstable, craven little man who will willing compromise anything for a chance at the brass ring.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed&#8230;his opposition to torture was his one remaining positive.  Now&#8230;it has because a huge negative.  He knows torture is a horrible thing but he will support it to be president.  I can&#8217;t even imagine Hillary doing such a thing.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4266261', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ashabot</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 05:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With this vote, McCain proves to me, beyond doubt, that he is an unstable, craven little man who will willing compromise anything for a chance at the brass ring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With this vote, McCain proves to me, beyond doubt, that he is an unstable, craven little man who will willing compromise anything for a chance at the brass ring.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4266256', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sabyen91</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 05:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. 

Funny stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. </p>
<p>Funny stuff.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4266255', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sabyen91</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 05:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is dementia, irongate.  If he becomes president I hope his wife is up to running the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is dementia, irongate.  If he becomes president I hope his wife is up to running the country.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4266254', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: USpace</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 05:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry, once he wins or loses the presidency, he&#039;ll go back to advocating coddling terrorists.

.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe hates
intelligence

you may not gather it
let terrorism happen

.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
let yourself be tortured

have water poured on you
or have fingernails torn out

.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
never use torture

even to save millions
allow them all to die
.

http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/

:)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry, once he wins or loses the presidency, he&#8217;ll go back to advocating coddling terrorists.</p>
<p>.<br />
absurd thought -<br />
God of the Universe hates<br />
intelligence</p>
<p>you may not gather it<br />
let terrorism happen</p>
<p>.<br />
absurd thought -<br />
God of the Universe says<br />
let yourself be tortured</p>
<p>have water poured on you<br />
or have fingernails torn out</p>
<p>.<br />
absurd thought -<br />
God of the Universe says<br />
never use torture</p>
<p>even to save millions<br />
allow them all to die<br />
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<p><a href="http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>:)<br />
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