Comments on: Sportsmen come out in favor climate change legislation. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:33:18 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: nanlichi http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-4265683 nanlichi Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:12:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/#comment-4265683 Most hunters and fishermen that I hunt and fish with are pro-environment and anti-roads, anti-logging and will rage on about our favorite elk hunting areas being carved into 40 acre "ranches". At the same time, a majority of them vote Republican. It's surprising how little understanding of where the two parties stand and which one is more aligned with their interests. But I have seen a real change in the last few years, Bush has opened a lot of people's eyes and caused them to see that all the shit they hear from Rush and Faux News is just that. Most hunters and fishermen that I hunt and fish with are pro-environment and anti-roads, anti-logging and will rage on about our favorite elk hunting areas being carved into 40 acre “ranches”. At the same time, a majority of them vote Republican.

It’s surprising how little understanding of where the two parties stand and which one is more aligned with their interests. But I have seen a real change in the last few years, Bush has opened a lot of people’s eyes and caused them to see that all the shit they hear from Rush and Faux News is just that.

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-4265629 The Republic of Stupidity Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:44:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/#comment-4265629 In California, groups like Ducks Unlimited work well w/ bird conservation groups. Historically, the waterfowl migration on the Pacific Flyway was estimated at perhaps 50MM birds a year. By the late 60's/early 70's, this had dropped to about 1 (one) million birds, 2% of it original level. Since then, the partnership between the hunters and the bird conservationists has managed to bring this number back up to maybe 8-10MM birds. A huge, and successful improvement. I'm not all that crazy about sport hunting. I think it's nasty to kill for fun, but this is one case where the relationship has worked. Yes, the duck hunters want to shoot birds, but they also realize that in order to continue to hunt ducks, they need a stable, viable duck population to work w/ and they want to maintain that 10MM bird level. In California, groups like Ducks Unlimited work well w/ bird conservation groups.

Historically, the waterfowl migration on the Pacific Flyway was estimated at perhaps 50MM birds a year. By the late 60’s/early 70’s, this had dropped to about 1 (one) million birds, 2% of it original level.

Since then, the partnership between the hunters and the bird conservationists has managed to bring this number back up to maybe 8-10MM birds. A huge, and successful improvement.

I’m not all that crazy about sport hunting. I think it’s nasty to kill for fun, but this is one case where the relationship has worked. Yes, the duck hunters want to shoot birds, but they also realize that in order to continue to hunt ducks, they need a stable, viable duck population to work w/ and they want to maintain that 10MM bird level.

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-4265615 The Republic of Stupidity Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:37:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/#comment-4265615 The enviromentalist really need to start working with hunting groups. Comment by Roger_Roger — February 13, 2008 @ 1:43 pm They do all the time, you idiot. You claim to be "hunter". If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know this. Sheesh... The enviromentalist really need to start working with hunting groups.

Comment by Roger_Roger — February 13, 2008 @ 1:43 pm

They do all the time, you idiot. You claim to be “hunter”. If you knew what you were talking about, you’d know this. Sheesh…

]]> By: cwarddc http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-4265607 cwarddc Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:34:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/#comment-4265607 So the hunters want to save the animals so they can kill them? So the hunters want to save the animals so they can kill them?

]]> By: oldtree http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-4265580 oldtree Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:16:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/#comment-4265580 Really, by 2050? Is everyone so ignorant as to believe we will be alive then? You have to be severely retarded or out of touch with science to think that when a few tens of million people are displaced in the next decade, that there may be a bit of pressure on the rest of humanity? are we collectively this stupid? The ice melt will wipe out the coastal cities ability to function. This is hundreds of millions of people affected and all world commerce. Understand yet? a few years folks. this doesn't include seismic, or weather extremes, or volcanic activity. get smart. it would be preferred if the smart ones survive. Watch "Idiocracy" if you think otherwise. Really, by 2050? Is everyone so ignorant as to believe we will be alive then? You have to be severely retarded or out of touch with science to think that when a few tens of million people are displaced in the next decade, that there may be a bit of pressure on the rest of humanity?

are we collectively this stupid? The ice melt will wipe out the coastal cities ability to function. This is hundreds of millions of people affected and all world commerce. Understand yet? a few years folks.

this doesn’t include seismic, or weather extremes, or volcanic activity.

get smart. it would be preferred if the smart ones survive. Watch “Idiocracy” if you think otherwise.

]]> By: tombaker http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-4265579 tombaker Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:16:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/#comment-4265579 22 - rigth idea, but flip it around, rog - the hunters and fishermen need the environmentalists way more than the environmentalists need the hunters and fishermen. it's time for the sportsmen to take a couple big steps to the left - that is, if they want their great grandkids to experience the outdoors the same way they always have. time for the B.A.S.S. guys and the Ducks Unlimited guys to decide they'd rather have a viable fishin' hole than an assault weapon. the choice ought to be easy. 22 – rigth idea, but flip it around, rog –

the hunters and fishermen need the environmentalists way more than the environmentalists need the hunters and fishermen.

it’s time for the sportsmen to take a couple big steps to the left – that is, if they want their great grandkids to experience the outdoors the same way they always have.

time for the B.A.S.S. guys and the Ducks Unlimited guys to decide they’d rather have a viable fishin’ hole than an assault weapon. the choice ought to be easy.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-4265531 dbadass Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:03:00 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/#comment-4265531 Would Bush want to endanger his chance of catching another 7 lb perch? Comment by RUCerious — February 13, 2008 @ 1:00 pm I really mean no disrespect to the family name. I have plenty of more pressing issues with this clan. Just trust me on this one. The men in this clan are not the most adept of fishermen. Would Bush want to endanger his chance of catching another 7 lb perch?

Comment by RUCerious — February 13, 2008 @ 1:00 pm

I really mean no disrespect to the family name. I have plenty of more pressing issues with this clan. Just trust me on this one. The men in this clan are not the most adept of fishermen.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-4265500 dbadass Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:53:15 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/#comment-4265500 Comment by Roger_Roger — February 13, 2008 @ 1:43 pm Sholdn't the "hunting groups" be the environmentalists? I think you might consider reversing your premise Comment by Roger_Roger — February 13, 2008 @ 1:43 pm

Sholdn’t the “hunting groups” be the environmentalists? I think you might consider reversing your premise

]]> By: Roger_Roger http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-4265482 Roger_Roger Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:43:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/#comment-4265482 The enviromentalist really need to start working with hunting groups. To date, most land in America gets preserved or restored through hunters not enviromentalist. On the flip side, they have a leg up when it comes to the political side. Mixing the money of the hunting crowd with the lobbying effort of the enviromentalists could be a serious boon to both. Somehow they need to except we humans hunt and that will never change. In the end, hunting has actually saved our wild places and many species. The African Elephant is a great example. Once they had "value" to hunters, they stopped being poached. Now their are to many of them in many parts of Africa. A true success story. We need to put a "value" on wild life if you want any chance to save it. This is something they would have to come to terms with. The enviromentalist really need to start working with hunting groups. To date, most land in America gets preserved or restored through hunters not enviromentalist. On the flip side, they have a leg up when it comes to the political side. Mixing the money of the hunting crowd with the lobbying effort of the enviromentalists could be a serious boon to both.

Somehow they need to except we humans hunt and that will never change. In the end, hunting has actually saved our wild places and many species. The African Elephant is a great example. Once they had “value” to hunters, they stopped being poached. Now their are to many of them in many parts of Africa. A true success story. We need to put a “value” on wild life if you want any chance to save it. This is something they would have to come to terms with.

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-4265387 RUCerious Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:00:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/#comment-4265387 Would Bush want to endanger his chance of catching another 7 lb perch? Would Bush want to endanger his chance of catching another 7 lb perch?

]]> By: Zimzone http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-4265347 Zimzone Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:39:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/#comment-4265347 I also own 80 acres of pristine wilderness that’s been in my family for over a 100 years Comment by Zimzone — February 13, 2008 @ 12:26 pm Really?! Where? Need any help hunting your land? :) -Dr. Matt <em>Northern MN. Thanks, but my 2 boys & me have it covered Dr. Matt ;)</em> I also own 80 acres of pristine wilderness that’s been in my family for over a 100 years
Comment by Zimzone — February 13, 2008 @ 12:26 pm

Really?! Where? Need any help hunting your land? :)
-Dr. Matt

Northern MN.
Thanks, but my 2 boys & me have it covered Dr. Matt ;)

]]> By: Guido OBGYN Lover http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-4265342 Guido OBGYN Lover Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:35:25 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/#comment-4265342 Cap and trade is dubious parctice IMO~ Cap and trade is dubious parctice IMO~

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-4265326 The Republic of Stupidity Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:27:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/#comment-4265326 Maybe that’s because they actually get out IN the environment, instead of viewing the world from their Barcaloungers. Comment by missmolly — February 13, 2008 @ 11:52 am Barcaloungers... that's funny... new code word for their Cheneys? Maybe that’s because they actually get out IN the environment, instead of viewing the world from their Barcaloungers.

Comment by missmolly — February 13, 2008 @ 11:52 am

Barcaloungers… that’s funny… new code word for their Cheneys?

]]> By: Zimzone http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-4265323 Zimzone Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:26:21 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/#comment-4265323 I have a Rooster Pheasant coming to my bird feeders this winter. It's a real treat to watch such a beautiful bird browsing right below my window. I've hunted & fished all my life. It's my heritage, & I'm proud of it. I also own 80 acres of pristine wilderness that's been in my family for over a 100 years. None of my forefathers did anything but harvest wood & wild game off it. We don't hunt for sport, we eat what we kill. Over the last 30 years, the small creek running through the middle of the land displays increasing signs of pollution, specifically phosphate run off & oil like residue floating on top. What's my point? Political affiliation is secondary to our environment. You can disagree with my outdoor activities, but we all agree on the need to clean up our Earth. Let's take politics our of climate change & pollution & get to work...we don't have much time left. I have a Rooster Pheasant coming to my bird feeders this winter. It’s a real treat to watch such a beautiful bird browsing right below my window.

I’ve hunted & fished all my life. It’s my heritage, & I’m proud of it. I also own 80 acres of pristine wilderness that’s been in my family for over a 100 years. None of my forefathers did anything but harvest wood & wild game off it. We don’t hunt for sport, we eat what we kill.

Over the last 30 years, the small creek running through the middle of the land displays increasing signs of pollution, specifically phosphate run off & oil like residue floating on top.

What’s my point? Political affiliation is secondary to our environment. You can disagree with my outdoor activities, but we all agree on the need to clean up our Earth. Let’s take politics our of climate change & pollution & get to work…we don’t have much time left.

]]> By: IllTakeYouToTaskForThatRemark http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-4265321 IllTakeYouToTaskForThatRemark Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:24:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/#comment-4265321 <em>And for all you troll pukes out there, yes, I am a vegetarian, and yes I fish, barbless hooks and release.</em> Why would you give this bit of fuel to trolls? And for all you troll pukes out there, yes, I am a vegetarian, and yes I fish, barbless hooks and release.

Why would you give this bit of fuel to trolls?

]]> By: WaltinTexas http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-4265316 WaltinTexas Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:23:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/#comment-4265316 I've said for years that pro-hunting and environmental folks should get together on many major issues. It's finally happening more. BushCo and most Repukes in general are no friend to the true sportsman. Here's an article that was published a few years back in Field & Stream. Wish it had gotten more exposure back then. http://www.fieldandstream.com/fieldstream/columnists/conservation/article/0,13199,489794,00.html I’ve said for years that pro-hunting and environmental folks should get together on many major issues. It’s finally happening more. BushCo and most Repukes in general are no friend to the true sportsman. Here’s an article that was published a few years back in Field & Stream. Wish it had gotten more exposure back then.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/fieldstream/columnists/conservation/article/0,13199,489794,00.html

]]> By: pbg http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-4265307 pbg Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:19:17 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/#comment-4265307 If you hunt, you know the changes happening in the countryside. (Unless, of course, you 'hunt' in a rich man's sporting club where the pheasant and grouse are artificially supplied.) Farmers know. Hunters know. Oilmen don't know, financiers don't know, and pampered college students don't know. And they're the ones shouting from their air-conditioned rooms that global warming is a liiie. They're not only insulated from the seasons, they're insulated from responsibility for their own lies. Nothing can touch them. All that is required is that they stay in their nice rooms and never go out. If you hunt, you know the changes happening in the countryside.
(Unless, of course, you ‘hunt’ in a rich man’s sporting club where the pheasant and grouse are artificially supplied.)
Farmers know.
Hunters know.
Oilmen don’t know, financiers don’t know, and pampered college students don’t know. And they’re the ones shouting from their air-conditioned rooms that global warming is a liiie.
They’re not only insulated from the seasons, they’re insulated from responsibility for their own lies.
Nothing can touch them.
All that is required is that they stay in their nice rooms and never go out.

]]> By: gallery http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-4265306 gallery Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:18:42 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/#comment-4265306 Yes, please save our wildlife...... so WE can kill it. Yes, please save our wildlife…… so WE can kill it.

]]> By: GSD http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-4265300 GSD Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:15:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/#comment-4265300 The GOP coalition is crumbling. -GSD The GOP coalition is crumbling.

-GSD

]]> By: Alejandro http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-4265288 Alejandro Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:11:09 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/13/sportsmen-come-out-in-favor-climate-change-legislation/#comment-4265288 we don't need carbon taxes. just stop subsidizing oil and coal companies and start giving tax breaks to solar power and wind power producers and consumers. it's that simple we don’t need carbon taxes. just stop subsidizing oil and coal companies and start giving tax breaks to solar power and wind power producers and consumers.

it’s that simple

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