Experts: FISA will suffice as PAA expires.
Experts: FISA will suffice as PAA expires.
On its front page today, the conservative Washington Times reports that “intelligence scholars and analysts outside the government say that today’s expiration of certain temporary domestic wiretapping laws will have little effect on national security, despite warnings to the contrary by the White House and Capitol Hill Republican leaders.” One scholar said “there’s no reason to think” America is “in any more danger” than it’s already been in since 9/11:
Timothy Lee, an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute, said the last time Congress overhauled FISA — after the September 11 terrorist attacks — President Bush praised the action, saying the new law “recognizes the realities and dangers posed by the modern terrorist.”
“Those are the rules we’ll be living under after the Protect America Act expires this weekend,” Mr. Lee added. “There’s no reason to think our nation will be in any more danger in 2008 than it was in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, or 2006.”
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Well seeing as Brusch was in office in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2006, not to mention 2007, I’d say we’re all still just as much in danger in 2008 as in any of those years.
February 16th, 2008 at 8:36 pmSo Bush is a liar, then?
I knew it!
February 16th, 2008 at 8:43 pmAnd you were thinking it otherwise Fritz?
February 16th, 2008 at 8:46 pmwhat’s going on with the moony times?
is this twice, in as many weeks, that the truth was told there?
a pleasant surprise, but, what’s is about?
February 16th, 2008 at 8:48 pmWashinton Times??? CATO Institute. It sounds like the Republicans are worried that the voters will Blame Bush for not agreeing to a temporary extension of the Protect America Act….if not doing so will put America in Danger.
February 16th, 2008 at 8:49 pmAll this Bush bruhaha is not about “national security,” nor is it about protecting the pocketbooks of the traitorous telecomm corporations, it is about Bush trying to continue to hide his treason from the American people. His treason of illegally and unconstitutionally spying on all Americans since he seized the Oval Office in January 2001. The American people will finally be shown Bush treason by the legal discovery process in the citizens lawsuits for damages against said telecomm corporations for their participation in this illegal spying scheme by the Bush regime.
February 16th, 2008 at 8:58 pmI guess starting tonight, we are free again. Free from wiretapping. Why doesn’t Bush push for a special domestic wiretapping court that could quickly issue warrants. If local police forces can’t wiretap without a warrant, why should national agencies?
February 16th, 2008 at 8:58 pmI guess starting tonight, we are free again. Free from wiretapping. Why doesn’t Bush push for a special domestic wiretapping court that could quickly issue warrants. If local police forces can’t wiretap without a warrant, why should national agencies?
Comment by justin08phx
Don’t be fooled. You can be certain that these worthless scum are still spying on you.
February 16th, 2008 at 9:03 pmThe Moonies are scared SH!TLESS:
http://educate-yourself.org/ cn/ sunmyongmoon15part15oct04.shtml
February 16th, 2008 at 9:05 pmYou dont think this means Chimpy McFlightsuit lied to us do you?? I’ll have to check in with Rush to get the low down on that. I can’t imagine after 7 interminably long years of noble service to the rich and famous that Chimpy would suddenly steer a course unbecoming of such an esteemed leader and draft dodger.
February 16th, 2008 at 9:09 pmExperts: FISA will suffice as PAA expires
We didn’t need the experts to tell us that.
February 16th, 2008 at 9:14 pmAbsolutely! FISA rules permit spying for 72 hours without a warrant with the caveat that a warrant MUST be applied for at the conclusion of that time frame. Now - what was all this White House hype REALLY about? I think we know the sad, ugly answer to that.
While Bush has been circumventing the FISA courts and spying on average american citizens in violation of the Constitution and laws of this democracy, he enlisted the aid of the telecoms to do so. If this was ever about “legitimate and probably terrorist spying” then he would have had absolutely no problemo in getting the blessings of FISA for so doing.
Which brings us to the conclusion that this was NEVER about spying on suspected terrorists but, instead, a Bubbleheaded Version of BIg Brother in order to violate our rights and spy on political enemies. This was all part/parcel of the Rovian plan for the total coup of this democracy.
February 16th, 2008 at 9:17 pmben dover - reminds me of this (via C&L):
NO YOU CAN’T
February 16th, 2008 at 9:19 pmAnd what’s more distressing and disconcerting is that our Chimp In Chief stood in front of cameras on national television and protested that he was absoslutely NOT spying domestically unless one’s call was to a foreign country. He said nothing of spying on our emails and wiretapping normal citizens. He, essentially, lied in our faces while he committed these treasonous acts against this democracy.
THIS illegal act by Bush is another “HIGH CRIME & MISDEMEANOR” AND TOTALLY IMPEACHABLE. Remember Nixon: He lied about wiretapping a political headquarters. Bush lied in our faces while he stripped us of our rights.
It’s time to impeach this maniac before he further damages this country. Who knows - in another year, we may not recognize ourselves any more.
February 16th, 2008 at 9:20 pmI sure hope someone is counting the Chimp’s ongoing lies. They’ll probably outnumber even his questionable, possibly illegal, signing statements.
February 16th, 2008 at 9:21 pmHow can we be safeguarding against terrorism when we sell WEAPONS to Saudi Arabia and Pakistan is neither prosperous nor democratic, even with our money and letting things go?
Oh, as long as they use telephones…
February 16th, 2008 at 9:24 pmOMG THese experts have librul bias…
February 16th, 2008 at 9:25 pmMy world turned upside down. The Washington Times reports that the Cato Institute tells us that FISA is sufficient? WTF is going on? Did someone slip some LSD into my Manhattan?
February 16th, 2008 at 9:44 pmwhat’s going on with the moony times?
is this twice, in as many weeks, that the truth was told there?
a pleasant surprise, but, what’s is about?
Comment by katy — February 16, 2008 @ 8:48 pm
The tide is turning, katy. They can sense it and they’re trying to distance themselves from Drunky McStagger while the distancing is good. It’s called “running scared”…
Perhaps they’re all finally realizing that as the big party the last 8 years was for them is ending, SOMEBODY will indeed have to pay for the damage to the hotel room, so to speak, and this is BAD… REALLY, REALLY BAD.
Same w/ some of our smarmier trolls, like Keltoi, whose been trying like crazy of late to both: a) put distance between himself and McStagger & Co, and b) pretend that Drunky wasn’t really a conservative but actually a “librul” all long. Wow… like, wow.
I listened to Tom Hartmann broadcast live from that silly “conservative movement” convention last week, and rightie after rightie didn’t even mention Drunky. They’re all desperately trying to disown the little monster as fast as they can. And you want a real laugh? Go to Malkin’s website and read how all the reg posters are crying about the Drunky has failed them and destroyed THEIR party.
You one of the most telling signs I’ve seen of late? Guess who’s started buying ad time on my local “librul” radio station (960 in the SF Bay Area)… guess…
Walmart….
I guess that black list we read about months ago is crumbling.
Get used to this. You ain’t seen nuttin’ yet!
Nov 2008 is shaping up to be a TSUNAMI…
February 16th, 2008 at 9:47 pmtros - can’t do the malkin thing… no way…
and, you think the winger machine is crumbling?
check this out, at C&L:
The Cult Like attack of Obama/strong>
By: scarce @ 1:35 PM - PST
The backlash against “Obama-mania†has really begun in earnest in the last week or so. Last night on CNN’s The Situation Room, Carol Costello treated viewers to a Fox News-like presentation of more recent examples.
can’t win for losing… damned if ya do, damned if ya don’t… etc…
February 16th, 2008 at 9:55 pmgot hope? yer crazy…
If you want, you can vote in a poll on the CSPAN webite concerning the PAA expiration and whether it damages national security:
http://www.capitalnews.org/
February 16th, 2008 at 9:55 pmoy… sorry about that obnoxious looking post…
February 16th, 2008 at 9:56 pmi dinna do that…
It’s still going to be necessary to check the White House website at 11.59 tonight. Who knows what new executive order could be sitting there. Bush is in Dar es Salaam so he might actually be awake at that hour to tell us all what he’s done.
February 16th, 2008 at 9:57 pmwell, lefttown, looks like MOST people know the facts…
February 16th, 2008 at 9:58 pmwhew…
Green 960 rocks! I totally love the name change.
February 16th, 2008 at 10:02 pmComment by katy — February 16, 2008 @ 9:55 pm
Obamaphilia? That’s disgusting. Just like that goon on Fox who kept comparing Obama’s speaking style to Hitler.
The cornered animal snarls the hardest.
I don’t the coming tidal wave is just about Obama. I also think we’re looking at a veto proof majority in Congress. Even die-hard righties are saying hw much they hate the SOB and they’re going to vote Dem for the first time in DECADES.
I have an elderly friend who’s wife’s family came from Nevada and were close to Paul Laxalt. It doesn’t get much more Republican than that. Not this yr, but LAST year, when Bushnoccio made his SoTUS speech, she went shopping.
She told my friend (her husband)… “He’s got nothing new to say…”
That was LAST year. Think folks like her feel any better over the last 12 months?
Drunky has done incalculable damage to the US. It’s just not the GOOP that’s taking on water right now, it’s the entire COUNTRY.
Torture, domestic spying, endless deficits, a sinking dollar, a crumbling infrastructure, a battered military, not one but TWO endless wars, our standing the world shot, a new arms race…
WHAT AN F-iN’ NIGHTMARE… and what’s Drunky’s solution?
More spy powers, permanent tax cuts, and bigger bombs…
I find this terrifying.
The cornered best snarls the hardest. We are in a time of great danger, the worst I’ve seen in my life. perhaps that is why even the Moonie Times is starting to speak the truth. They’re finally scared too.
February 16th, 2008 at 10:15 pmCheney needs to keep spying on businesses his friends want to take over. If Americans would see what companies have been brought out and how many since Bush Cheney got in office you’d understand it. The backroom deals Cheney has been having since he stole office is what the plan was. You see how Halliburton moved overseas after they got the big contracts as the only bidder. Now we can’t sue them for the fraud they committed. Look at the Law Makers and the old people Bush appointed to top jobs. None know how to work a computer and blogging, texting and email is new words to them. Even Henry Kissinger doesn’t know what a computer is. Yes the terrorist are all knowledgeable in technology so they really laugh when they hear the Bush/Cheney plan of eavesdropping that’s old.
February 16th, 2008 at 10:18 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 16, 2008 @ 10:15 pm
The W stickers have vanished, no one will claim to have voted for him anymore and I get a lot of people asking where I got my Bush WTF? sticker instead of throwing me the bird now days, lol.
Austin,Texas.
February 16th, 2008 at 10:23 pmIf WE don’t spy domestically, only OUTLAWS will spy on us.
As they’re doing now.
February 16th, 2008 at 10:27 pmKinda nice to be in front of the curve and have first dibs on “I told ya so”…
but that doesn’t even come close to repairing the hideous damage that delusional, sadistic little monster has done to the world in just 8 years.
A lot of us like to compare Bush to Hitler, including me, but the truth?
Hitler was a hell of a lot smarter.
February 16th, 2008 at 10:29 pmWayne, I still see plenty of W stickers in my neck of the woods. 24%ers. That’s still one in four Americans…
February 16th, 2008 at 10:41 pmTRoS:
Yeah, I like how suddenly no one will admit they were all for the war back in 2003. You know, when it had an approval rating of like 82%?
Kind of bittersweet to be so right about everything that’s happened.
February 16th, 2008 at 10:43 pmTRoS and Wayne:
Don’t see any rethug or W strips here in LA (San Fernando Valley) any more. In fact all those “support our troops” strips have magically disappeared as well. Used to be lots of those here.
Guess they decided not to “support the troops” anymore…snark.
Funny how using emotions to get what you want, works. From a new orange alert almost daily (leading up to but not after the election, to now where the fear mongers are the ones scared out of their wits and abandoning the ship. Fear, as a tactic, only works where ignorance and uncertainty prevail. Once people are informed and see the truth, the whole charade falls apart.
February 16th, 2008 at 10:44 pmHitler was a hell of a lot smarter.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 16, 2008 @ 10:29 pm
And so were a lot of the Nazi Generals and people in power positions. Now we have “Bush’s brain,” originally thought to be a genius who is about as smart as Bush’s brain. His master plan didn’t last 6 years before unraveling.
February 16th, 2008 at 10:49 pmhe’s not done merlin… i smell rove all over the place…
i’ve such a feeling of dread… bushco will have to have one last hoorah… maybe even the grand finale…
but i have every expectation that it will be memorable…
like tros said, terrifying…
February 16th, 2008 at 11:02 pmIf there’s one small dividend in all of this, Merlin, it’s that The Genius’ “Permanent Republican Majority” has now become a permanent minority, at least for a couple of decades to come.
A small thing, but nevertheless, a good thing. A very, very good thing.
February 16th, 2008 at 11:03 pmKind of bittersweet to be so right about everything that’s happened.
Comment by Frosty Cupcake — February 16, 2008 @ 10:43 pm
That’s a good way to put it, Frosty. Bittersweet. Many of were right about that little sh*t heel from Hell all along, but that doesn’t make the mess go away any faster, and Drunky & Co have done a staggering amount of damage to the world in just 7 years.
I remember seeing a video clip of Drunky back at the start of the Iraq Nightmare. He was walking down a hallway when he got the news the bombing had started. He pumped his fist, smiled and said “YESSSS!!!”
Wonder if he feels that way now.
The cornered beast snarls the hardest. Be very, very wary, my friends.
February 16th, 2008 at 11:08 pmComment by Merlin — February 16, 2008 @ 10:44 pm
February 16th, 2008 at 11:11 pmCheap slogans will cloud the truth and push people around, but only for awhile. Facts begin to pile up and they can’t be ignored forever.
I suppose I’m preaching to the choir but how could Bushtard ever have missed the warnings? He was spying on us with that evil program even before 9/11.
And if he wasn’t spying on the terrrrrrrrrists, who was he spying on?
Us! (That is unless he did know about it and let it happen)
We so need to take those telecom bastards to court. I want to find out who he was spying on.
February 16th, 2008 at 11:11 pmHow can Clinton be principled on stuff like this given what she’s trying to do with the Florida vote?
I thought we decided in 2000 we weren’t going to let anyone steal any more Presidential elections in Florida.
Clinton’s comment: “Both Michigan and Florida should count because these are two states we have to carry,” Clinton said. http://www.bloomberg.com/ apps/ news?pid=20601087&sid=afMu2IHmjtdo&refer=home
The logic of Clinton’s statement is brazen, disappointing and reflective of her campaign. It’s fine to break all the rules in a major way when needed to win, she is saying.
Florida and Michigan broke the rules of the Democratic Party. They scheduled their primaries earlier than allowed. As a result, their results were disqualified. The Democratic nominees were told not to campaign there. They were told Florida wouldn’t count. They didn’t campaign there. This was a big deal.
Unlike Clinton, Obama and Edwards followed the rules. Obama and Edwards did not campaign in those states. Obama and Edwards even took their names off the ballots in Michigan.
Now Clinton apparently is willing to swing low to garner more votes to bolster her waining campaign. Her tactic is in direct defiance of the Democratic Party, which disqualified the results in these Florida and Michigan.
This is not the stuff of leadership. Hillary Clinton has tried a lot of desperate things in this campaign, like the tearing up, fearmongering, and race-baiting statements in New Hampshire when she was on the rocks. Using her ex-President husband as her hit man. And all the rest. It’s no wonder that the Democratic Party, other Democratic politicians, and frequently Democratic officials in Bill Clinton’s Administration did not do well and Bill’s legacy was the Republicans claiming both houses of Congress and the Executive.
In contrast, Obama does more than obey the rules, which for him are a floor, not a ceiling. In a major example, he does not take money directly from lobbyists or corporations. Clinton on the other hand has taken lots of money from special interests while claiming, amazingly, the money won’t affect her.
Bush, Clinton, Bush steals Florida, Clinton tries to steal Florida. This is not a smear. None of my comments about Clinton are. They are the facts.
February 16th, 2008 at 11:15 pmHe spied on politicians, republican AND democratic and media bigwigs. And I’d bet that explains a lot about the way people submitted to him and why they continue to, when his unpopularity makes this kowtowing inexplicable.
February 16th, 2008 at 11:17 pmI sure hope someone is counting the Chimp’s ongoing lies. They’ll probably outnumber even his questionable, possibly illegal, signing statements.
Comment by whatevah — February 16, 2008 @ 9:21 pm
Sounds like a labor to escape purgatory. Counting the Chimps lies….never ending painful task.
February 16th, 2008 at 11:20 pmGlenn Greenwald has detailed in his inimitable and meticulous fashion the Republican dishonesty here, and documented their letting slip the real reason here. The fearmongering is in full swing (I have a similar post on Rethuglican political gamesmanship at my own blog too).
Cheers,
February 16th, 2008 at 11:30 pm#16 ucsbclassics53 :
OMG THese experts have librul bias…
Reality has a liberal bias….
Cheers,
February 16th, 2008 at 11:32 pmThey aren’t interested in eavesdropping on our communications. They are interested in spying on political opponents, media critics and engaging in corporate espionage to gather information to give to their corporate masters.
All these things do however undermine the public interest and does indeed adversely effect our wellbeing.
February 17th, 2008 at 12:02 amBush, Clinton, Bush steals Florida, Clinton tries to steal Florida. This is not a smear. None of my comments about Clinton are. They are the facts.
Comment by Duck Soup
I disagree that many of your comments aren’t a smear on Clinton, but this one is not. I agree that what she has really crossed the line this time. She keeps talking about disenfranchising the voters in those states. Well if she felt so strongly about it, why didn’t she say so before the elections. Giving her these states would be the worst thing the Democratic Party could ever do. It would tell all the other states, well, even though we said something, we didn’t really mean it. Next thing you know, states will be moving their primaries into December of the preceding year.
I will vote for Hillary Clinton if I have to, but I won’t like it much.
February 17th, 2008 at 12:26 amI am amazed. 43 posts and not one troll. What happened to them. Did TP finally clean up this place?
February 17th, 2008 at 12:27 amDid Moon have a stroke, or something?
February 17th, 2008 at 12:52 am‘Kinda nice to be in front of the curve and have first dibs on “I told ya soâ€â€¦’
TRoS, liberals always are and it is frustrating as hell. It takes forever for the average moron to realize we are right. And then the cycle starts over.
February 17th, 2008 at 12:56 amSo what color is the alert level nowadays?
February 17th, 2008 at 1:36 amPretty sure the threat level is still yellow. Incredibly it is the same color as the stripe running down the back of every bed-wetting right-winger ever born.
February 17th, 2008 at 1:58 amthere goes one shoe!
February 17th, 2008 at 1:58 amWow, ferret-face, now the government has to have probable cause 72 hours later!! Grow up and join the real world.
February 17th, 2008 at 2:51 amGood job, liberals. You’ve opened the gates for the jihadofascists. Now there will be another 9/11 and blood of the innocents will be on your hands.
Comment by Frank M — February 17, 2008 @ 2:44 am
ROTFL! You TARDS INCITE THE ENTIRE MUSLIM WAR WITH A F**KED UP WAR OF AGGRESSION, and think that ILLEGAL AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL ACTS are how to STOP TERRORISM? ROTFL, you people are DUMB! The BLOOD OF the INNOCENTS are ALWAYS ON YOUR HANDS - D**KWAD!
February 17th, 2008 at 3:06 amYou’ve opened the gates for the jihadofascists. …
Comment by Frank M — February 17, 2008 @ 2:44 am
_____
http://www.rense.com/general37/fascism.htm
Smells like … Bush in the morning.
February 17th, 2008 at 3:21 amDon’t be so afraid Frank. It’s unAmerican.
February 17th, 2008 at 3:25 amJeesh all those times Bush and the Republicans tried to scare Americans. The terrorists laugh at them and us.
February 17th, 2008 at 3:30 amComment by zuch — February 16, 2008 @ 11:32 pm
Ain’t that the truth…
February 17th, 2008 at 3:48 amComment by Frank M — February 17, 2008 @ 2:44 am
yes Frank, we have Osama on our MyFaves, all of us liberals do, including the Al Qaeda #2 and when this administration kills the #2, we replace him with the next #2 and so on…
stop drinking the kool-aid…it’s piss you know.
February 17th, 2008 at 3:55 amPersonally, I think these “conservatives” have realized that the dems are going to decimate the goopers in the next election (and hopefully for the remainder of my lifetime!) and they don’t want dems to have the amount of power that this rotten-to-the-core president (and admin) has given itself.
There is in no way, shape, or form that I think they have gotten a clue, grown a conscience, or have any altruistic motive. It’s protectionism pure and simple.
February 17th, 2008 at 5:19 am# 13. Thanks for the video Katy! I put it on my own blog with the title “The Repignofascist Mantra for 2008″
February 17th, 2008 at 7:29 amThe politics of FEAR being used for years by Bush on us is no news. Many cruel dictators used it before, but the biggets resemblance of Bush is of course with Stalin.
Just compare what Stalin did, and how, and get your own conclusions about the similarity.
Thank God we will have elections in this Country, though it’s not a totally DEMOcratic system but rather a COLLEGEcratic system.
Voting on this site http://www.capitalnews.org/ shows that the American people are not as stupid as I thought they were when they elected (and RE-ELECTED!!!) that lunatic in the White House along with his team of gangsters.
I hope in November people will vote against the continuation of this regime of dictatorship and war.
Or will they rather stay in Iraq for another 100 years?…
February 17th, 2008 at 8:33 amGood job, liberals. You’ve opened the gates for the jihadofascists. Now there will be another 9/11 and blood of the innocents will be on your hands.
Comment by Frank M”
That’s right folks. I woke up this morning and the sky was crying in shame! We’re all gonna die. If only we’d let Chimpy continue to protect us by spying on us illegally. I say we get rid of our curtains so our republican overlords can stand outside our windows at night and watch us. So what if they masturbate on our shrubbery, it’s a small price to pay for our “freedoms”.
February 17th, 2008 at 8:43 amOn a serious note folks, Frank M’s post is going to be the neocon meme going forward. They want an attack so they can blame the liberals and we need to call them on their lack of patriotism here. Think about it. Frank wants more Americans to die so he can reclaim the moral highground. Anytime any of these idiots, from the dolt trolls here, to the Bill Kristols, to the wingnuts in congress, to bush and cheney, says that we’re going to get attacked now and blood will be on the liberals’ hands we need to push back we ned to call them on their anticipatory glee in prospect of people dying so they can further their political cause.
February 17th, 2008 at 9:04 amFor instance, Pelosi and Conyers have refused fringe left’s delusional calls for baseless investigations. So, at least some of them have woken up to the post-9/11 reality.
Comment by Frank M
ah, you were saying? Looks like pretty much everyone agrees that the above train of thought is delusional.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid released this joint statement:
The Protect America Act will expire only because the President and congressional Republicans refused to approve an extension of that law. Their true concern here is not national security. Rather, they want to protect the financial interests of telecommunications companies and avoid judicial scrutiny of their warrantless wiretapping program.
February 17th, 2008 at 9:07 amGood job, liberals. You’ve opened the gates for the jihadofascists. Now there will be another 9/11 and blood of the innocents will be on your hands.
Comment by Frank M
good job liberals is right but not because of the ignorance exibited in the preceding statement. It is for exposing the above for the self serving drivel that it is.
February 17th, 2008 at 9:11 amTo all who say that conservatives don’t want another 9/11, this is from The Project for a New American Century.
…”Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.”
http://www.newamericancentury.org/ RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf (page 63)
Their mission statement (basically American global domination):
” The Project for the New American Century is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; and that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle.
The Project for the New American Century intends, through issue briefs, research papers, advocacy journalism, conferences, and seminars, to explain what American world leadership entails. It will also strive to rally support for a vigorous and principled policy of American international involvement and to stimulate useful public debate on foreign and defense policy and America’s role in the world. William Kristol, Chairman”
http://www.newamericancentury.org/index.html
Those associated with PNAC (many of whom will look familiar to you):
• Elliott Abrams
• Gary Bauer
• William J. Bennett
• John Ellis “Jeb” Bush
• Richard B. Cheney
• Eliot A. Cohen
• Midge Decter
• Paula Dobriansky
• Steve Forbes
• Aaron Friedberg
• Francis Fukuyama
• Frank Gaffney
• Fred C. Ikle
• Donald Kagan
• Zalmay Khalilzad
• I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby
• Norman Podhoretz
• J. Danforth Quayle
• Peter W. Rodman
• Stephen P. Rosen
• Henry S. Rowen
• Donald Rumsfeld
• Vin Weber
• George Weigel
• Paul Wolfowitz
• Elliott Abrams
• Kenneth Adelman
• Richard V. Allen
• Richard L. Armitage
• Gary Bauer
• Jeffrey Bell
• William J. Bennett
• Jeffrey Bergner
• John R. Bolton
• Ellen Bork
• Rudy Boschwitz
• Linda Chavez
• Eliot Cohen
• Seth Cropsey
• Midge Decter
• Paula Dobriansky
• Thomas Donnelly
• Nicholas Eberstadt,
• Hillel Fradkin
• Aaron Friedberg
• Francis Fukuyama
• Frank Gaffney
• Jeffrey Gedmin
• Reuel Marc Gerecht
• Charles Hill
• Bruce P. Jackson
• Eli S. Jacobs
• Michael Joyce
• Donald Kagan
• Robert Kagan
• Zalmay Khalilzad
• Jeane Kirkpatrick
• Charles Krauthammer
• William Kristol
• John Lehman
• I. Lewis Libby
• Tod Lindberg
• Rich Lowry
• Clifford May
• Joshua Muravchik
• Michael O’Hanlon
• Martin Peretz
• Richard Perle
• Daniel Pipes
• Norman Podhoretz
• Peter W. Rodman
• Stephen P. Rosen
• Donald Rumsfeld
• Randy Scheunemann
• Gary Schmitt
• William Schneider, Jr.
• Richard H. Shultz
• Stephen Kantany
• Henry Sokolski
• Stephen J. Solarz
• Vin Weber
• Leon Wieseltier
• Marshall Wittmann
• Paul Wolfowitz
• R. James Woolsey
• Dov Zakheim
• Robert B. Zoellick
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Project_for_the_New_American_Century#.22New_Pearl_Harbor.22
February 17th, 2008 at 9:12 amComment by Ms_Joanne
you might also want to compare those names with the ones listed below who have dual citizenship with Israel……..
http://www.viewzone.com/dualcitizen.html
February 17th, 2008 at 9:14 ambe prepared to accept the consequences of your actions as well.
Comment by Frank M
Big talk……..where is your acceptance of responsibility for the damage you and your kind have done to our nation. Have you no shame?
February 17th, 2008 at 9:16 ammuslim tide?
So which beaches are they washing up on? I spend considerable time at the coasts and I haven’t noticed any problems yet. I’ll keep my eyes open if it makes you any less frightened. One thing I have noticed is ridiculous amounts of plastic debris. Isn’t the US signature to the MarPol Treaty?
February 17th, 2008 at 9:19 am#23 Katy–Sorry. Looks like the voting was over, but yes, people don’t seem to be fooled by Republican rhetoric, thank goodness! If only the Democrats would keep it up and continue to defy Bush on illegal spying. I’m afraid they won’t, though.
February 17th, 2008 at 9:20 amWhat damage? Our nation is strong and secure. Something that would not last for long if you got your way.
Comment by Frank M
not even going to respond to someone who has their head this deep in the sand…….find a different sand box little boy
February 17th, 2008 at 9:22 amYou on the left have worked hard to tear down the wall we have built against terrorist infiltration .
Comment by Frank M — February 17, 2008 @ 9:14 am
The 911 terrorists didn’t succeed because they infiltrated ….they succeded Because the Bush Administration, after repeated warnings, failed to cross check the passenger lists with the names of KNOWN Al Qaeda terrorists.
February 17th, 2008 at 9:24 am“You on the left have worked hard to tear down the wall we have built against terrorist infiltration”
Might you explain this one? Seems like fluff from here.
February 17th, 2008 at 9:25 am#64: Anticipatory glee, right. Stop projecting your own thoughts.
Frank M
Yes, Anticipatory glee. You want an attack you scumbag. you are what is wrong with this country. Go back to Russisa you little facist. Their democracy is more to your liking.
February 17th, 2008 at 9:27 amfm is not going to defend anything…….look at his posts…..they are rhetorical bs at best…..nothing to prove because they are about non-events…..just speculation about what we as liberals might do…and then criticism of that action…..just kid stuff.
February 17th, 2008 at 9:27 amlet frank defend if he is man enough. otherwise ignore his lying, attacking ass.
February 17th, 2008 at 9:29 amWhy do people still go struting around this site, accusing others of being unpatriotic when they will not sign up themselves because their safety can’t be guaranteed?
February 17th, 2008 at 9:29 am80 they get paid for it…….and they are drama queens who get paid for it.
February 17th, 2008 at 9:31 amBecause people like frank are cowards.
February 17th, 2008 at 9:32 amAs soon as some of the trolls find their phone has a secret tap on it their be screaming up a s**t storm
February 17th, 2008 at 9:32 amAnd even the defense experts say are forces are strained to the max, but trolls can’t read.
83 don’t forget the economy……….our economic woes belong to the republicans. They should be men and accept the mantle of mismanagement.
February 17th, 2008 at 9:35 amWhat damage? Our nation is strong and secure. Something that would not last for long if you got your way.
Comment by Frank M — February 17, 2008 @ 9:18 am
thanks for 9/11, traitor. A Democrat in the White House would nit have gone on vacation with Bin Laden telegraphing his punches. Only a dope of a repig would have allowed terrorism it’s major victory. That’s Bush’s legacy, forever
February 17th, 2008 at 9:35 ambe prepared to accept the consequences of your actions as well.
Comment by Frank M
yes, Frank, that’s exactly why the GOP will be crushed into dust and swept into the garbage in November; the consequences of your actions, and inactions. Thanks for 9/11, traitor.
February 17th, 2008 at 9:37 amWell, that’s it then. Case closed. A loony right-wing rag has weighed in on the case, so now the facts MUST have truthiness.
Is this how desperate we’ve become, that we need the facts verified by wingnuts?
February 17th, 2008 at 9:38 amFred; The problem is they don’t accept responsibility for squat.
February 17th, 2008 at 9:40 amRight wingers are the party of passing the buck and a half.
take care
tony and guidedog Lido
The problem is they don’t accept responsibility for squat.
Right wingers are the party of passing the buck and a half.
take care
tony and guidedog Lido
Comment by dietrich
That’s because they are lying little boys who have had their own way for to long………………..
February 17th, 2008 at 9:47 amthey are not going to enjoy the ensuing changes are they?
You on the left have worked hard to tear down the wall we have built against terrorist infiltration .
Comment by Frank M
this is really comedy if you read it a couple of times. Reminds me of the 3 little pigs. Hey frank, that pile of straw won’t work.
February 17th, 2008 at 9:49 amI’d love to have a tap on these trolls phone the day after the election.
February 17th, 2008 at 10:03 amtake care
tony and guidedog Lido
You on the left have worked hard to tear down the wall ( we ) have built against terrorist infiltration…Comment by frank m.
The we must include the troll’s mouse in his pocket….And just exactly what wall do the troll’s talk about.?.Only wall I can think of is the invisible one buble boy has around himself…Clearly this administration by intent or design has never built anything up except the bank account’s of their own and war monging friend’s…Blessings
February 17th, 2008 at 10:22 amYeah, nothing but good news lately about how great the economy is and how safe we are with nothing to fear…
Get your FUD straight!
February 17th, 2008 at 10:34 amGood job, liberals. You’ve opened the gates for the jihadofascists. Now there will be another 9/11 and blood of the innocents will be on your hands.
Comment by Frank M
I knew it was too good to be true. Loon Francine was wandered into this thread. Now let’s hope it doesn’t take over the thread too. Loon Francine has drunk so much koolaid it’s beyond redemption. I guess it is beyond the comprehension of it’s pea brain that Bush has set up this scenario, not the liberals. It was Bush and the Republicans who refused another 21 day extension and is Bush who is saying he will veto the bill it it does have a provision to shield the telcoms from the crimes they have committed.
On the subject of the telcoms. I can almost, but not quite, agree that they should get immunity if they started spying on us AFTER 911. But, not if they started spying on us before 911. And that’s what the guy from A T & T says happened. The Bush administration has not disputed him either. So what was his excuse for spying on us when nothing terrible had happened? Perhaps the troll named Francine can answer that question. I doubt it, though.
February 17th, 2008 at 10:55 amOn the subject of the telcoms. I can almost, but not quite, agree that they should get immunity if they started spying on us AFTER 911.
Comment by bilbobaggins
I would agree to immunity for the telcoms if they are willing to testify about the bush admins involvement……
February 17th, 2008 at 10:59 amFor instance, Pelosi and Conyers have refused fringe left’s delusional calls for baseless investigations. So, at least some of them have woken up to the post-9/11 reality.
Comment by Frank M
WTF? Loon Francine has gone completely around the bend. The only thing that Pelosi and Conyers have refused is impeachment. They are fully behind all the investigations that the Republicans and Bush are obstructing. And that is part of the reason why Pelosi and Conyers have not gotten on the impeachment bandwagon. They don’t think we have enough evidence to impeach. The thing that Pelosi and Conyers are missing is the fact that impeachment will give them the powers they need to stop the obstruction and really investigate the crimes of the Bush Administration.
February 17th, 2008 at 11:01 amThe Washington Times was exactly right when they stated that FISA will suffice and the expiration of PAA will have little effect on national security. We live in a very dangerous world, made worse by the war in Iraq. What the article did was give the Bush administration a marvelous opportunity to spin the situation. Now if we are attacked the Democrats will be blamed just as the Republicans tried to blame the Clinton administration for 9/11, in spite of the fact that George and Condoleezza were clearly warned and didn’t act on that warning.
February 17th, 2008 at 11:13 amI would agree to immunity for the telcoms if they are willing to testify about the bush admins involvement……
Comment by Fred
Bingo! That’s what immunity from prosecution is usually about. Can you imagine a DA giving a mafia kingpin immunity with nothing in return?
February 17th, 2008 at 11:14 amComment by Tawdry @ post #97
I agree, they are building a case for blaming someone else for thier failures….see Frank m’s post below for a specific example.
February 17th, 2008 at 11:17 am“My world turned upside down. The Washington Times reports that the Cato Institute tells us that FISA is sufficient? WTF is going on? Did someone slip some LSD into my Manhattan?”
Comment by gummitch — February 16, 2008 @ 9:44 pm
Next thing you know they’ll be claiming that it was their (the repugs) idea to and it was the damn libruls who kept this illegal wiretapping scheme alive by caving into them… ;)
February 17th, 2008 at 12:05 pmI wouldn’t be surprised if the REAL AXIS OF EVIL - or THE DEMON’S QUARTET*, if you prefer - in DC architected some kind of attack on their own Country just to show the people that they were right and “trying to protect us.”
Considering the damage that they have already inflicted to our Country, what could be worst? We all know that they have no consciouness and are totally careless about the American people!
They already proved it so many times! Will the people believe them, and chose to change the course in November? Or will the BUSH-it continue?
* Let’s include Rush Limbaugh and make it a quintet!!!
February 17th, 2008 at 12:26 pmKeep people scared then you can control them!
February 17th, 2008 at 1:54 pmFor the sake of all American women;
BOYCOTT CHRIS MATTHEWS and THOSE THAT ADVERTISE ON HIS SHOW!
February 17th, 2008 at 3:13 pm51. Good job, liberals. You’ve opened the gates for the jihadofascists. Now there will be another 9/11 and blood of the innocents will be on your hands.
Hmmmm who “opened the gates for the jihaodfacists” the first time in 2001.
Aug 11 brief “Bin-laden determined to strike America”……time for a
5 week vacation?…………”I think I’ll go to the ranch and cut brush”
“You covered you ass, now you can go” ?
The quality of the trolls has really diminished I wonder if it has anything to do with the GOP being in debt and not being able to pay the pros anymore.
February 17th, 2008 at 7:27 pmFrancine, collect that piss running down your leg and make sure you get rid of all of it. I understand the terrorists can smell fear. Hell, I can smell the stink of your fear from here girl!
February 18th, 2008 at 9:55 am