Glenn Beck: ‘Nancy Pelosi Will End Up Killing Americans’
Glenn Beck: ‘Nancy Pelosi Will End Up Killing Americans’
On his CNN Headline News show last night, conservative talking head Glenn Beck fumed about the House leadership’s decision to let the Protect America Act (PAA) expire this weekend. This was “an extension requested by the president,” exclaimed Beck.
Beck then jumped on President Bush’s fearmongering bandwagon, claiming that the House leadership — specifically Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) — would be responsible for the death of Americans:
BECK: He feels — and I happen to agree with him — that this congressional game-playing by Nancy Pelosi will end up killing Americans.
Watch it:
Like Bush, Beck is overhyping the consequences of the law’s expiration.
In fact, not only will surveillance begun under the law be able to continue, but intelligence officials can initiate new surveillance against suspected terrorists by simply getting a warrant through the FISA court. The warrants can even be obtained after the surveillance has begun.
Intelligence experts, like the Cato Institute’s Timothy Lee, believe the expiration of the Protect America Act doesn’t deserve the vapors the right wing is getting over it:
“There’s no reason to think our nation will be in any more danger in 2008 than it was in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, or 2006,” [said Lee].
Ben Wittes of the Brookings Institution said because existing warrantless surveillance begun under the temporary laws could continue for up to a year, the “sky is not falling at all.”
If Beck really thinks the expiration of the PAA will cause Americans to die, he should bring it up with the president and his allies in Congress who blocked another temporary extension of the law.
Transcript:
Now, after 9/11, you remember we came up with all kinds of new — aggressive, new laws to combat a new kind of enemy. One of them was the Patriot Act. Another one was the Protection — Protest America Act. This was an extension of our eavesdropping. It helped our government listen in and find terrorists.
Well, over the weekend, the House failed to pass this Bill, which would have prevented the Protect America Act from lapsing, an extension requested by the president. It`s got a six-month sunset over and over again. He feels — and I happen to agree with him — that this congressional game-playing by Nancy Pelosi will end up killing Americans.
Now, what could be even more terrifying than that fact is that congress may be acting with reelection in mind and not your safety. Critics are saying now that the House caved to special interest groups, mostly trial lawyers who want their rights to sue these big, huge phone companies that release sensitive information to the government.
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Why is this man given a public microphone? He is the real danger to Americans.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:54 pmNice to see the conservatives found a use for their old “trial lawyer” talking point. It must have been gathering dust by now.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:54 pmThe FISA law enacted last August was for one year duration.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:56 pmThe only thing expiring is the telecom immunity.
That’s not going to kill anything. Except the telcos who broke the law upon request of BushitCo.
How many Americans has G.W. Bush killed? How many times has Glenn admonished him?
The deaths due to Bush are not hypothetical, they are real, and they continue every single day!
February 19th, 2008 at 12:56 pmThese right-wing morons are making messes in their underwear hoping for a terrorist attack since the PAA expired. These traitorous yellow cowards want Americans to be killed to prove their twisted point.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:57 pmIt’s just too bad that President Drunky McChimp actually caused PAA to expire…
Don’t you just love these fear-mongering repubs? That’s all they have is fear.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:57 pmWhat a bunch of idiots and beck is one of the worst.
…but…but…but…I thought it was Hillary Clinton who was killing Americans! Or was it Barack Obama who was killing Americans? Oh wait — it’s Americans voting for Democrats who are killing Americans!
There’s no more water in this well. Give it up.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:57 pmHow many times have conservative posters come into these discussions and accused liberals of “wanting the economy to fail” or “wanting to fail in Iraq” when we criticized policies?
Wouldn’t you also argue that Glen Beck WANTS there to be a terrorist attack to prove he’s right? Isn’t Glen Beck just ASKING for a terrorist attack?
February 19th, 2008 at 12:58 pmIt hardly needs pointing out, but Beck is a fu(king idiot when he says This was “an extension requested by the president,†exclaimed Beck”:
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=109131
US President George W. Bush on Wednesday vowed to veto another temporary extension of a domestic spying law and pressed Congress for a long-term fix to shield phone companies that cooperated with his warrantless eavesdropping program.
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“The time for debate is over,” Bush told reporters in the Oval Office. “I will not accept any temporary extension.”
I’m not the first to point out this particular truism, but it comes down to this:
Bush says that Americans will die if PAA is allowed to expire.
Bush will not sign a renewal of PAA if telecom companies aren’t granted immunity from past law-breaking.
Ergo, Bush puts the interests of telecom companies above those of keeping Americans secure.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:00 pmWouldn’t you also argue that Glen Beck WANTS there to be a terrorist attack to prove he’s right? Isn’t Glen Beck just ASKING for a terrorist attack?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — February 19, 2008 @ 12:58 pm
The ISI’s a little busy rigging an election right now, I don’t think they’re available.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:01 pmBen Gleck gets it wrong, once again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again
February 19th, 2008 at 1:01 pmmethinks the reichwing is PRAYING for a terrerist attack to thwart the NOV 8 inevitable whacking they are about to witness.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:02 pmIf Glenn Wants to Fight enlist, go to Iraq, do Bush’s war for him or shut the f%#k up.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:02 pmRighties used to be so macho – now they’re all just hysterical ninny crybabies and cowards.
There are gay vegetarian pacifists who are more courageous and manly than Glennnn Beck.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:03 pmIs he jealous or what?
Does he want everyone to die from having to watch Bushie instead?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:03 pmThese right-wing morons are making messes in their underwear hoping for a terrorist attack since the PAA expired.
Comment by Fritz — February 19, 2008 @ 12:57 pm
And you know darn well that the very people who are now praising Bush to the skies because “he has kept us safe” will immediately point accusing fingers at Democrats if we are subjected to another Al-Qaida type attack, no matter how small.
I assume then, in the minds of the fearmongers, that the ONLY reason Bush has “kept us safe” is because his government hasn’t been required to get a warrant to listen in on phone conversations? Gee, and all this time I thought the reason he has “kept us safe” is because “we’re fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here”!
February 19th, 2008 at 1:04 pmgay vegetarian pacifists
on behalf of said group, it takes lots of courage in today’s society to be any of those three groups.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:05 pmThere are gay vegetarian pacifists who are more courageous and manly than Glennnn Beck.
Comment by tombaker — February 19, 2008 @ 1:03 pm
I’d say about 98% of gay vegetarian pacifists are more courageous than amoral coward intentional moron Glennnn Becky.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:06 pmer, “a member of any of those three groups’, if you will…
February 19th, 2008 at 1:06 pmBeck’s logic is wrong. His alarmist fearmongering has corkscrewed him into the ground (once again). During an election year, the driving forces in the house and senate are to appease the masses and not to push any bill that would incite one group or another so much that they could be voted out.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:07 pmDarth Cheney and his PNAC crowd already did that on that sunny, Tuesday September morning 6.5 years ago.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:07 pm“Critics are saying now that the House caved to special interest groups”
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Yeah, finally. The “special interest group” being the people who elected them.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:07 pmWTF does this idiot think Bush is doing right now?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:08 pmI’d say about 98% of gay vegetarian pacifists are more courageous than amoral coward intentional moron Glennnn Becky.
Comment by jb — February 19, 2008 @ 1:06 pm
And 100% of the gay vegetarian pacifists I know don’t even listen to Glenn Beck.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:09 pmUmmm Glenn — decisions made by some U.S. politicians have already caused the unnecessary deaths of countless Americans. The politicians I refer to are George Bush and Dick Cheney and the unnecessary American deaths they are responsible for are the ones related to their abject incompetence and hubris which allowed 9/11 to happen on their watch followed by their equally disastrous and corrupt decision to invade and occupy Iraq. Their decision to wage war in Iraq was based on manufactured intelligence and lies to the American people and the world — they also used fear-mongering (imminent mushroom clouds over American cities) to cow the American public into supporting their corrupt agenda. Add to that the tens of thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths directly related to this amoral war (mostly post-invasion) and what you have are actions that in a sane world would be considered war crimes. So Glenn Beck, you can take your pissy-pants, wild-eyed fear mongering and shove it as far up your sphincter as it will go.
Just saying . . .
February 19th, 2008 at 1:11 pmGlenn Beck: ‘Nancy Pelosi Will End Up Killing Americans’
Don’t take the bait.
Pelosi has already enabled Bush to kill a million Iraqis.
Vote for Cndy Sheehan.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:12 pmBLECH: He feels — and I happen to agree with him — that this congressional game-playing by Nancy Pelosi will end up killing Americans.
2 Questions:
1) Whose watch was it during 9/11?
2) Who prematurely jumped the gun to invade Iraq, thus securing the deaths of thousands of our brave men and women?
’nuff said!
February 19th, 2008 at 1:13 pmo’ shoooooot, this actually makes me laugh and say wtf? i guess bush has been nothing but bringing good will to all. this is so over the top it’s the stutterin stupidity of the american folks. but what makes it scary is that these are the folks that are ruling the world.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:14 pmThe reason radical righties are up in arms about this bad, temporary law expiring is that they can no longer spy on you, me, and any Democratic candidates. How will they be able to install sell-out John McCain in the White House without wiretapping Obama, Clinton, and the DNC? In a fair and square contest we kick their collective asses so as usual, they resort to their regular MO, CHEATING!
February 19th, 2008 at 1:16 pmTracy proves once again that he doesn’t believe in the rule of law.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:17 pmExcuse me, Mr. Beck, but it was George Bush who vetoed the Protect America Act and not Nancy Pelosi. Get your stories straight, please.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:18 pmWhere are our trolls? Where do we hear the usual drum beat that we need a fascist government to remain safe?
How do these idiots keep supporting this administration that has still failed to bring AQ to its knees, faces a worsening condition in Afghanistan and a war in Iraq that has lasted longer than WWII without a real definitive success? I am tired of hearing that insurgencies take a long time to put down. There was never a reason for the insurgency to have started had the Republicans shown the slightest bit of common sense in their planning for the war and the occupation. But noooooo – these idiots know everything. There was no reason to calm the civil unrest that arose weeks after the fall of Saddam. Nooo- there was no reason to maintain the Iraqi military. Oh Nooooooooooooo – there was no reason to maintain control over all those weapon dumps.
Would not any reasonable person start to wonder why all of these dire measures are needed now? Would not any reasonable person question the quality of the president and his political party that believes that we will always have to live in fear of our lives? What mother Fu ing incompetents.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:18 pmComment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 1:10 pm
How do you explain that Bush instituted warrantless wiretapping with the aid of the telecoms MONTHS BEFORE 9/11, yet failed to stop 9/11? If you really think that this is meant to combat terrorism, you obviously need to stop swallowing everything you hear from this criminal administration…and the fact is you just repeated Glenn Beck’s the GOP talking point. At least you didn’t plagiarize…
February 19th, 2008 at 1:18 pmTracy proves once again that he doesn’t believe in the rule of law.
Comment by VerbalKint — February 19, 2008 @ 1:17 pm
What more needs to be said?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:19 pmAnd by the way, what is wrong with “trial lawyers”, Tracy? Do you prefer corporate lawyers who shield their companies from liability when they act in a depraved manner that kills their customers? The trial lawyers are the only lawyers that represent actual people, as opposed to corporations or the government.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:19 pmBush can still get warrants, even retroactively, for his spying… he’s relying on the stupidity of his base to believe and amplify these threats…
February 19th, 2008 at 1:21 pmCongress Briefed on Waterboarding in 2002
In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA’s overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.
Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.[..]
*** Pelosi has refused to impeach because she is an accessory to the war crime of water torture. Lets not let this story fall into the trash bin of history. Vote for Cindy Sheehan for Congress!
Source:
February 19th, 2008 at 1:21 pmhttp://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/09/congress-briefed-on-waterboarding-in-2002/
Tracy proves once again that he doesn’t believe in the rule of law.
Comment by VerbalKint — February 19, 2008 @ 1:17 pm
What more needs to be said?
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 19, 2008 @ 1:19 pm
I could be wrong, but I think tracy2’s comment was directed at the “It takes courage to be a gay vegetarian pacifist” and, mostly, at the “gay” part. That whole “shoving it in other people’s faces” is the clue. “I’m not a homophobe, I just don’t want to know that gay people exist.”
February 19th, 2008 at 1:22 pmComment by VerbalKint — February 19, 2008 @ 1:19 pm
exactly, heaven forbid the people actually get a voice in our justus system…
February 19th, 2008 at 1:22 pmRight beck, cuz George W. Bush has never caused the deaths of Americans….
February 19th, 2008 at 1:22 pm/sarc
‘Tis what you get when a bag-o-hammers gets a microphone gets put in front of it..
February 19th, 2008 at 1:22 pmOr maybe Tracy is afraid of vegetarians.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:23 pmBush can still get warrants, even retroactively, for his spying… he’s relying on the stupidity of his base to believe and amplify these threats…
Comment by Pete Bogs — February 19, 2008 @ 1:21 pm
I’d say Chimpy knows his base extremely well ………And that’s about the only thing the stupid bastood does know.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:24 pmWhat are “trail lawyers” anyway?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:24 pmI wish you would have told Gore that in 2000 by not attempting to break election law and that intervention by the Supreme Court could have been avoided.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 1:22 pm
Yeah , because Gore won………
February 19th, 2008 at 1:25 pmComment by gummitch — February 19, 2008 @ 1:23 pm
One thing I think we can all agree on is that Tracy2 is simply afraid.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:25 pmCongressional game-playing? I think that works on both sides. Let’s look at the scoreboard:
Nancy Pelosi and Congress –
Failed to extend the PAA because one of the contingencies was to grant immunity to telecoms who acted illegally.
Bushney –
February 19th, 2008 at 1:26 pmDemanded immunity for telecoms who acted illegally — not to protect the telecoms, but to protect the Bushney a$$. Blocked a temporary extension of PAA in order to force a vote on the extension (which obviously backfired).
What are “trail lawyers†anyway?
Comment by Zooey — February 19, 2008 @ 1:24 pm
PATHalogical liars?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:26 pmComment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 1:10 pm
it’s called follow the law and the law says to telecommunications that there has to be a WARRANT in order to tap anyones phone. these pricks are not obove the law and therefore they should be prosecuted for doing so and knowing it was against the law. the mere fact that there is a piece of paper called ‘the military commissions act’ and ‘patriot act’ and striping habeas corpus and our constitutional rights…….which allows bush to deem anyone(american or other) as a terrorist and strip all of their rights. and also allows martial law to be placed on the american people. katrina ring a bell???? see it all binds together and thats why the american folks need to revolt. what we stand for the nazi in the white house demolished it in the name of OIL,NWO, PNAC, BILDABERG, HALLIBURTON, CARLYLE……i call bullcrap
February 19th, 2008 at 1:26 pmGlennBeck needs to rephrase his statement. George Bush is responsible for killing 4,000 americans and 600,000 innocent iraqis. That’s fact/ not conjecture/not fiction. Stick to the facts, Glenn or you’ll soon become irrelevant to the american landscape.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:27 pmWhat does Bush need intelligence on terrorists for anyway. He had plenty of warnings that 9/11 was imminent and ignored it. In addition he was already doing this wiretapping before then and obviously didn’t pay any attention to terror alerts but only to the actions of his political enemies which he is obviously still using.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:28 pm56, they only cry the “rule of law” when it comes to Democrats. Republicans apparently are immune because they answer to a higher law, the law of the Almighty Dollar.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:28 pmOne thing I think we can all agree on is that Tracy2 is simply afraid.
Comment by Zooey — February 19, 2008 @ 1:25 pm
I think that’s true.
Some of us think she’s deliberately obtuse, but others think she’s merely stupid.
But I think everyone can agree that she’s afraid.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:29 pmIf anything, Americans have died because impeachment has been kept off the table for far too long. Of course, this tactic hasn’t done too much for our “democracy” either.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:29 pmTracy — Fourth Amendment to the Constitution mean anything to you? You don’t deserve constitutional protections you insipid fool.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:29 pmPATHalogical liars?
Comment by gummitch — February 19, 2008 @ 1:26 pm
**groan**
February 19th, 2008 at 1:29 pmbs: the revolt is coming soon. The only reason the people are not out in the streets right now is the sheer “hope” that Obama will bring an end to this communist/fascist regime and put their sorry butts in jail where they will get the justice they deserve. That’s the only reason there isn’t pandamonium occurring right now. The anger and energy is there and gathering. If the GOP steals the election once again, the people will surely riot.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:29 pmI see the piss soaked troll (Tracey, JPV, Jake, Good_Golly) is here with yet another screenname splattering the thread with feces.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:30 pmHey Tracy2: Ever hear of the Fourth Amendment? It would behoove you to get some education before coming here and making an assclown out of yourself every time.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:31 pmNo it doesn’t you just have to stand on the sidelines and not shove it other people’s faces.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 1:15 pm
Who has to “stand on the sidelines”? Gays? Vegetarians? Pacifists?
I’m sorry — did a vegetarian shove a carrot up your nose or something? Is this where your bitterness is coming from?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:31 pmThe trial lawyers are the only lawyers that represent actual people, as opposed to corporations or the government.
Comment by VerbalKint — February 19, 2008 @ 1:19 pm
Thanks for explaining it to Tracee. He doesn’t even know what trial or trail lawyer means he just repeats what he’s told by his handlers and they probably assume he has some intelligence.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:31 pm“How do you explain that Bush instituted warrantless wiretapping with the aid of the telecoms MONTHS BEFORE 9/11, yet failed to stop 9/11?â€
About the same reason why Clinton couldn’t catch him for eight years after repeated attacks. Intelligence gather is alot of hit and miss, not an exact science as you seem to think.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 1:28 pm
If by “him” you refer to bin Laden, you should know that the Bush administration had made it very clear that “terrorists” were not a priority for them at all, prior to 9/11. So this is just another one of your ignorant distortions. The administration’s wiretapping without warrants had nothing to do with the subsequent “war on terra” and everything to do with their rush toward authoritarianism.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:32 pmZooey: That’s patently clear. This fecal splattered troll definitely is running scared from the tone and tenor of his comments. Amusing to observe, isn’t it?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:32 pmWho had 1:28 for the Clinton reference?
Comment by Dr. Matt — February 19, 2008 @ 1:31 pm
I had 1:24. Missed it by four minutes. Oh well, maybe I will have better luck next time.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:32 pmRevolutionary War: “Live Free or Die”
FDR: “All we have to Fear is Fear itself”
Right Wing Radio/Talking Heads: “Be very very scared and pee in your pants”
February 19th, 2008 at 1:32 pmWhat are “trail lawyers†anyway?
Comment by Zooey — February 19, 2008 @ 1:24 pm
Daniel Boone’s kin ?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:32 pmWhat are “trail lawyers†anyway?
Comment by Zooey — February 19, 2008 @ 1:24 pm
The backcountry version of ambulance chasers?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:33 pmgummitch: As for OBL, wasn’t he working for us in Afghanistan when we were running the Russians out? Double agent maybe?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:33 pmI’m not a homophobe, I just don’t want to know that gay people exist.â€
Comment by gummitch — February 19, 2008 @ 1:22 pm
Oh, I thought Tracey was upset because her lesbian mother wanted her to eat her vegetables.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:33 pmOr maybe it will come out that he was actually working FOR us in the false flag operation.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:33 pmAbout the same reason why Clinton couldn’t catch him for eight years after repeated attacks. Intelligence gather is alot of hit and miss, not an exact science as you seem to think.
BTW if you think it’s an attempt to pull another Nixon your are the one who is nuts and that’s of course if you think that Republicans will continue to remain in the White House for the next 20 years or more.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 1:28 pm
Either T2 is wasted, or he’s having a stroke. Someone call 9-1-1.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:34 pmI’m sorry — did a vegetarian shove a carrot up your nose or something? Is this where your bitterness is coming from?
Comment by missmolly — February 19, 2008 @ 1:31 pm
Heh. Recently watched the silly movie Shoot ‘Em Up, in which Clive Owen executes several bad guys with a carrot.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:34 pmIt’s so funny these fake radicals on CNN. Making Republicans look stupider everyday.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:35 pmIn some respects I’m elated that there is so much focus on Obama’s statements because the more the comment “all we have to fear is fear itself” becomes engrained into the minds of the american people, the sooner they will realize what Bushitco’s fear agenda is all about.
As for Plagiarism, if McTorture can plagiarize the lyrics of the Beach Boys “bomb, bomb, bomb Iran”, then all’s fair game.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:35 pmA few weeks ago Tracy did seem interested in whether I am gay or not.
Only my hairdresser knows for sure, sugar pumpkin.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:35 pmI’m sorry — did a vegetarian shove a carrot up your nose or something? Is this where your bitterness is coming from?
Comment by missmolly — February 19, 2008 @ 1:31 pm
It wasn’t his nose, missmolly.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:36 pmAnd there you have it folks, fascism has arrived, and just as Sinclair Lewis said: Carrying a cross and draped in a flag.
I mean really, the right is whining about protecting Americans, but the bill won’t go forward because it doesn’t grant telecom immunity. Corporations over citizens people.
9. Power of corporations protected
Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not†citizens.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:36 pmGido: The only thing left to the rapidly-imploding GOP is the presence of total fakes at this point. So, what percentage of that 26-28% base is fragmenting away from McTorture? The percentage is waning of their true base….maybe half – which means that the GOP will have shrunk to about 14% by the time of the election. Very impressive!
February 19th, 2008 at 1:37 pmZooey: That’s patently clear. This fecal splattered troll definitely is running scared from the tone and tenor of his comments. Amusing to observe, isn’t it?
Comment by whatevah — February 19, 2008 @ 1:32 pm
I’ve always found Tracy amusing. Especially when she goes back and answers comments made hours and hours before. And the fact that she always uses “you” instead of “your.” And because she’s a scared little chickenshit.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:37 pmWar Profiteering and Social Control – that’s Fascism come to america.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:38 pmNo it doesn’t you just have to stand on the sidelines and not shove it other people’s faces.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 1:15 pm
Wow, sounds like someone has a piddley problem this morning.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:38 pmDickLess must have walked in those shoes, eh?
zooey: chickenshit, indeed. and probably a chickenhawk as well.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:38 pmTracy2 didn’t read the previous thread. Republicans aren’t about looking at yesterday, they are about looking forward. Forward, past all of the dumb crapola their elected officials created.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:39 pmAbout the same reason why Clinton couldn’t catch him for eight years after repeated attacks. Intelligence gather is alot of hit and miss, not an exact science as you seem to think.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 1:28 pm
this is not a military issue……it’s called fbi. do we drop bombs on murderers here in the U.S? no…..police work that is how it is done. secondly what does clinton have to do with anything….clinton didn’t want him either….he was told by the ones who run this country. try and mess up saudi and then see what happens here in america….you think recession is bad it will be a depression like the 1920’s. and what happened in tora bora….bush had him and then said u.s. troops back off and let the afghans get him…..he escaped. don’t for one second think that wasn’t planned. why would bush go after the very folks that he is in the oil business with? why isn’t bush bombing saudi arabia since 15 of 19 of the so-called hijackers were saudi……the oil business that is why. and the only reason why he wanted saddam was because saddam put a hit on papa bush…..it’s called revenge. come on now this is not rocket science. FOLLOW THE MONEY AND THE PLAYERS BEHIND IT.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:39 pmOkay, Tracy, I accept your points in comment #87 as valid, though somewhat misguided. I don’t accept your reasoning for why telecoms should be allowed to break the law without consequence, and I don’t accept your claim that this lawbreaking helps protect Americans in any way whatsoever. So we can agree to disagree.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:39 pmcitizen_pain: Two thumbs up.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:39 pmI wish you would have told Gore that in 2000 by not attempting to break election law and that intervention by the Supreme Court could have been avoided.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 1:22 pm
Only a stark raving lunatic would believe it was Gore who broke election law to ignoramus. Forget the Midol it won’t help. Perhaps thorazine would though.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:40 pmTo appease that trail lawyers. ??????
DickLess seems to think that there is/are lawyer(s) who hike a lot?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:40 pmTracy2: “About the same reason why Clinton couldn’t catch him for eight years after repeated attacks. Intelligence gather is alot of hit and miss, not an exact science as you seem to think.”
You know, Tracy, I wouldn’t want you to let facts get in the way of a good conservative argument, but do try to keep in mind that Clinton’s CIA didn’t even confirm to him that bin Laden was involved in the Cole attack until some time in Clinton’s final 2 years (so I’m not sure where you get this “8 years” stuff). You also might want to remember that numerous members of Clinton’s administration expressed urgent opinions to the incoming Bush administration that bin Laden should be their top priority.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:40 pmFollow the money and connect the dots – the New American Board Game.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:41 pmcitizen_pain: Two thumbs up.
Comment by whatevah — February 19, 2008 @ 1:39 pm
Recommend!!
February 19th, 2008 at 1:41 pmThis was “an extension requested by the president,†exclaimed Beck.
Glenn Beck is not only a moron he is also a liar. If the President requested the extension, then why did he turn it down.
Also, apparently the Moonie Times and Fox news disagrees with what he is saying. They both recognize that we are in no more danger today than we were before.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:41 pmAs Bill Maher says, “Traitors don’t get to question my patriotism.”
February 19th, 2008 at 1:43 pmTracy2: Go ask Katherine Harris all about how it was done. She and Jebbie had it all under their control. Gore knew what was going on so he chose a much higher path instead of playing games with scumbags.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:43 pmCheck out the time line and career path of the “two men who would be president” and bury it, dude. Chimpy stole the election and everything he’s done has turned to total $hit; Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize….’nuf said!
‘Tis what you get when a bag-o-hammers gets a microphone gets put in front of it..
Comment by Winski — February 19, 2008 @ 1:22 pm
I find this comment extremely offensive to hammers.
Also bags.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:44 pm(sniff* sniff*) Can you catch the scent of those Hague trials?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:44 pmAbsolutely not. I don’t like any of them who try and get their client off on a technicality or BS their client into suing for something like coffee being too hot. There are good corporate lawyers and trial lawyers and there are bad.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 1:36 pm
Just like there are good presidents and horseshit ones ; guess which type the one you continue to blindly and stupidly support is ?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:44 pmComment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 1:28 pm
Of course you ignored the part where Clinton gave warnings to Bush and Condi that an attack was imminent and your saying that the wiretap intel was hit or miss and they missed it. What intel is it they won’t miss next time that will save lives. Go ask Glenn and get back to us.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:44 pmClinton’s CIA didn’t even confirm to him that bin Laden was involved in the Cole attack until some time in Clinton’s final 2 years
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — February 19, 2008 @ 1:40 pm
Quick clarification, Colonel: I believe you mean “final two WEEKS” since the Cole attack happened in October of 2000.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:44 pmtracy2’s commenting on #49 and the thread has rocketed to #107. I’d say this clown is now totally out of touch.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:45 pmThe Smithfield Burnings will pale in comparison to Bush’s Hague trials!
February 19th, 2008 at 1:46 pm‘Tis what you get when a bag-o-hammers gets a microphone gets put in front of it..
Comment by Winski — February 19, 2008 @ 1:22 pm
And “Tracy2″ is what you get when a bag-o-hammers gets a keyboard and internet access put in front of it…
February 19th, 2008 at 1:46 pmLet’s hope her first “victim” is Glenn Beck.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:46 pmWho had 1:28 for the Clinton reference?
Comment by Dr. Matt — February 19, 2008 @ 1:31 pm
I thought you were scheduled for the next “Clinton did it too.” Dr. Matt.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:46 pm“Why is this man given a public microphone? He is the real danger to Americans”
No he’s not.
He’s a goofball.
Of course Beck says stuff like that, so the numbskulls on the far right watch to agree with him [most of whom probably could not find California on map, and as such, they remain unclear as to where this "Pelosi" fellow resides], and the idiots on the left watch to panic.
It is great for ratings and will probably result in a lot more money for Beck.
Who cares what Beck says? Let the man ramble.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:46 pmEither T2 is wasted, or he’s having a stroke. Someone call 9-1-1.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 19, 2008 @ 1:34 pm
Do we have to?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:47 pm#113 whatevah, are they auditioning workers to stack the wood around the stakes?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:47 pm#49
Comment by MCMetal — February 19, 2008 @ 1:25 pm
Eventhough it was illegal counting?
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 1:44 pm
According to whom ?
You ?
The governor of Florida (Chimpy’s stupid brother) and/or former Secretary of State of Florida , Katherine Harris , Chimpy’s Florida campaign co-chair ?
Not exactly credible sources by any stretch of the imagination there………….
February 19th, 2008 at 1:47 pmWhat is a terrorist?
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
ter·ror·ist
–noun 1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
American Heritage Dictionary –
ter·ror·ist
n. One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2006 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
terrorist (noun)
a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities
WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.
Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary
terrorist (noun)
a person who tries to frighten people or governments into doing what he/she wants by using or threatening violence
By the very definition(s) of the word, George W. Bush IS A TERRORIST.
Any questions?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:48 pmtracy2’s commenting on #49 and the thread has rocketed to #107. I’d say this clown is now totally out of touch.
Comment by whatevah — February 19, 2008 @ 1:45 pm
Only now?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:49 pm#52
Comment by gummitch — February 19, 2008 @ 1:26 pm
No way!
Comment by Tracy2
I don’t think she gets it………heh
February 19th, 2008 at 1:49 pmI love that Congress is making Bush twist in the wind on whether immunity for breaking the law will keep his butt off the grill. This is priceless. He stomped and threatened to cancel his trip to Africa (another lie) and didn’t get his way. This is one pouting, angry Chimp right now. And his propaganda megaphones, like Glenn Beck, are trying to gather a groundswell of support by making ridiculous claims and accusations. People are laughing in their faces. Glenn Beck’s a certified moron.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:49 pmLets just tie that hands of the intelligence community more and forbid them from getting any help from the phone companies.
It thinks we will be tying the hands of the intelligence community by saying that the government needs to get warrants to have our telephone companies spy on us. It is wrong as usual. The government can request a warrant to spy on us through the FISA court. The government can have the telephone companies spy on us for 72 hours before they need to get a court order. The problem is that they won’t get the court order to have a blanket spying operation like they have now. And this is a blanket spying operation that started before 911 even happened.
It is sadly lacking in critical thinking skills. It is the Borg, unable to think for itself, tied to it’s mother/father authority figures.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:49 pmThanks Ralph. Good catch. Yes, I meant that Clinton’s CIA didn’t confirm bin Laden’s part in attacks until Clinton’s final two weeks! It’s just unbelievable that people like Tracy will sit there and type something like “he had 8 years to get bin Laden,” but that’s the power of right-wing brainwashing on minds like Tracy’s which are evidently open to suggestion shall we say.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:50 pmMy cat at the computer can scroll faster than Tracy2 can read. Heh.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:50 pm**phone rings**
Operator – “9-1-1″.
Caller – “Um, yes, I’d like to report someone having a stroke!”
Operator – “and what is your address?”
Caller – “Um, well, http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/19/beck-pelosi-kill-americans/#comment-4271359”
Operator – “What?”
Caller – “Um, nevermind.”
February 19th, 2008 at 1:50 pmBeck then jumped on President Bush’s fearmongering bandwagon, claiming that the House leadership — specifically Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) — would be responsible for the death of Americans:
BECK: He feels — and I happen to agree with him — that this congressional game-playing by Nancy Pelosi will end up killing Americans.
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Really , Glenn Speck (of shit) ? Care to recount how often Chimpy’s been right during his godawful 7 year reign of (t)error ?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:52 pmOver-the-top fake republican as a spoiler for bias critics. That’s all Beck is.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:52 pmAll we have to remember is that the FISA rules were created to avoid what’s occurred right now – an overstepping executive who violates the 4th amendment and who will need to pay for that abuse.
Under current law, the pres and intel agencies can begin an immediate wiretap and continue it for 72 hours at which time they must go before the FISA court and make their case of “probable cause” in order to get a defacto warrant.
Why do you think that no defacto warrants were approved? Why do you think Bush never applied for a single defacto warrant? Why did Bush opt to not even attempt to get a pre-tap warrant? Because he knew he’d never be approved for warrantless wiretapping of politican enemies, that’s why.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:52 pmIt would behoove you to get some education before coming here and making an assclown out of yourself every time.
Comment by whatevah — February 19, 2008 @ 1:31 pm
Tracey didn’t make an assclown out of himself, whatevah, he was born that way.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:53 pmWhen did we use OBL? During Bush 41’s reign? I rest my case.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:53 pmShayne: Oops….this truth is self-evident. I stand corrected :)
February 19th, 2008 at 1:54 pmDon’t forget 44,000 Americans die per year in auto accidents. I never see anyone fretting over this statistic.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:54 pmCan we have Tracy3 as a troll upgrade? Tracy2’s talking points are ancient debunked history and absolutely boring to even read, let alone, counter.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:55 pmanyone else find the AP article today on the release of decades old tapes “purportedly” to be between Oswald and Ruby strangely coincidental to the fact that much is being released about Bush 41 – what he knew, when he knew it, how involved he was as head of the CIA at the time, and where he was on Dealy Plaza as he watched the motorcade come cruising by. The photos with date stamp are evidence. Whom do they really think they’re kidding?
February 19th, 2008 at 1:56 pmTracey didn’t make an assclown out of himself, whatevah, he was born that way.
Comment by Shayne — February 19, 2008 @ 1:53 pm
Bingo, Shayne. It’s the old “nature or nurture” debate.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:56 pmAll in favor of a “tracy overhaul”, please signify by saying “aye”.
Aye!
February 19th, 2008 at 1:56 pmThe Cole bombing was handed over to Bush when he took office in Jan ‘01, some three months after the bombing! Bush did nothing!
If Clinton would have tried to bomb someone, maybe Bin Laden, or attack another county a few weeks before the election, the Republicans would have been crying, whining that it wasn’t fair etc, that Clinton was trying to influence the election!
Jack the Riper,
February 19th, 2008 at 1:57 pmGo back and read your own words from your post at 1:40, ” Clinton’s CIA didn’t even confirm to him that Bin laden was involved in the attack on the Cole, until till sometime in Clinton’s final 2 years”
Where did you get that gibberish from, Hannity? The Cole was attacked in Oct of 2000, roughly 3 or so months before Clinton left office!
You need to turn off Fox and Friends, go outside and breathe in some fresh air!
The trial lawyers are the only lawyers that represent actual people, as opposed to corporations or the government.
Comment by VerbalKint
You can bet that it (the troll) would find the best trial lawyer they could afford if it was harmed in any way by a corporation or a doctor.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:57 pmTracy proves once again that he doesn’t believe in the rule of law.
Comment by VerbalKint — February 19, 2008 @ 1:17 pm
What more needs to be said?
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 19, 2008 @ 1:19 pm
I could be wrong, but I think tracy2’s comment was directed at the “It takes courage to be a gay vegetarian pacifist†and, mostly, at the “gay†part. That whole “shoving it in other people’s faces†is the clue. “I’m not a homophobe, I just don’t want to know that gay people exist.â€
Comment by gummitch —
I think tracy2 spends way too much time thinking about gays shoving “it” into his face. He is a republican after all.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:57 pmComment by Billy Hill — February 19, 2008 @ 1:56 pm
I got in my truck and got the hell out of there………….. I didn’t want to be late. I had a daycare center to blow up in the name of freedom!
February 19th, 2008 at 1:58 pmPLC, I think the delivery on the T3 model has been pushed back due to the credit crunch at the RNC. They’ve had to cut back on their troll funding and want to get every last bit of function out of the T2 before they recycle it as dishwasher parts.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:58 pmI’m sorry — did a vegetarian shove a carrot up your nose or something? Is this where your bitterness is coming from?
Comment by missmolly — February 19, 2008 @ 1:31 pm
It wasn’t his nose, missmolly.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 19, 2008 @ 1:36 pm
I think you’re wrong ralph, when the carrot is shoved up his other orafice it makes him less country. I gotta go with missmolly on this one.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:58 pmThis was “an extension requested by the president,†exclaimed Beck
well, there’s a new twist…
so, repeat enough times and the foxbots call it truth…
easier to put the blame where it doesn’t belong,
February 19th, 2008 at 1:59 pmshould that be needed…
Comment by Klem Kiddilehopper — February 19, 2008 @ 1:57 pm
Klem , I recognize and appreciate your passion , but “Ripper” isn’t a FAUX Comedy Channel viewer , nor is he a Chimpy Adoration Brigade member ; he probably meant “2 weeks” and not “years”…….
February 19th, 2008 at 1:59 pmplease signify by saying “ayeâ€.
Aye! Comment by whatevah — February 19, 2008 @ 1:56 pm
Aye, Aye, Cap’n!
February 19th, 2008 at 1:59 pmOne thing I think we can all agree on is that Tracy2 is simply afraid.
Comment by Zooey
We can all agree, too, that it is “simple” in the mind. It has relatively few critical thinking skills.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:00 pmYou can bet that it (the troll) would find the best trial lawyer they could afford if it was harmed in any way by a corporation or a doctor.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 19, 2008 @ 1:57 pm
After all, if it was good enough for Rick Santorum, it’s good enough for Tracy2
February 19th, 2008 at 2:01 pm“Al-Qaeda praying for Obama win,†says Australian PM.
http://www.news.com.au/ story/ 0,23599,21207082-1702,00.html
Comment by good_golly — February 19, 2008 @ 1:57 pm
Proving that even misguided fanatics can be right once in a while.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:01 pm“Al-Qaeda praying for Obama win,†says Australian PM.
Troll, praying for attention…
Good thing Crom, the god of Cimmeria, eats trolls for breakfast.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:01 pm“Al-Qaeda praying for Obama win,†says Australian PM.
http://www.news.com.au/ story/ 0,23599,21207082-1702,00.html
Comment by good_golly
So one rightwing loser is quoting another rightwing loser who expresses an opinion that supports his own failed policies. Why is it that everyone one of bush’s allies has been voted out of office?
February 19th, 2008 at 2:01 pm#94
Comment by VerbalKint — February 19, 2008 @ 1:39 pm
The U.S. intelligence community seems to think that cooperation with the phone companies is necessary. The legality of what these phone companies are doing is still to be determined by the courts. Just because a lawsuit has been filed by the ACLU doesn’t automatically make it illegal.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 1:58 pm
Working in cooperation with US companies after going through the PROPER CHANNELS is not being debated here , you Chimpy leg humping stooge ; the ACLU’s (righteous) contention is what the telecom companies did in league with this horseshit administration……..
And that is ILLEGALLY SPYING ON AMERICANS , AND WITHOUT A WARRANT WITH THE AID OF THE PREVIOUSLY STATED TELECOM COMPANIES , AND PRIOR TO 9/11 ; do you understand that ?
February 19th, 2008 at 2:02 pmHill-Billy Hill,
February 19th, 2008 at 2:02 pmWhat’s so surreal about a woman wanting to protect herself? What’s even stranger is, why anyone would need 2000 rounds of .223!
What did you say the name of the gun shop was?
Go back to your pub and drink yourself into oblivian. Then do your normal routine of beating your wife, and then the dog. Piss yourself on the couch and wait for a new day.
Comment by Southern Man
yeah, at least do it right. Southern man pisses on his wife and dog and then beats his couch.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:03 pmDickLess Tracy doesn’t understand that the Fourth Amendment takes precedence here.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:03 pmTracy2: “There is nothing distorted about the fact that Clinton didn’t get bin Laden for eight years after repeated attacks.”
Do you ever get the sinking feeling you’re dealing with a crazy person? Again Tracy and slower this time: Clinton’s CIA… didn’t confirm to him… until his last two weeks in office…. that bin Laden was behind the Cold attack.
Now, you might be confusing bin Laden as being involved in the first WTC attack. He wasn’t. Clinton’s Justice Department captured all those responsible for that, tried them, convicted them and they’re still in jail.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:05 pmThat’s the only reason there isn’t pandamonium occurring right now. The anger and energy is there and gathering. If the GOP steals the election once again, the people will surely riot.
Comment by whatevah
Can you even imagine what will happen if Bush delivers a false flag event and then cancels the election. I expect if that happens we might just have a military coup to take back our government. We may end up with our military fighting Blackwater employees in our streets. Very scary indeed.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:06 pmWhere did you get that gibberish from, Hannity? The Cole was attacked in Oct of 2000, roughly 3 or so months before Clinton left office!
You need to turn off Fox and Friends, go outside and breathe in some fresh air!
Comment by Klem Kiddilehopper — February 19, 2008 @ 1:57 pm
Lt. Col. Jack is no Hannity, just fyi. I think he meant the embassy attacks, not the Cole attack. Which was rather interestingly timed, it should be said.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:06 pmGlenn Beck: ‘George Bush Will End Up Killing Americans, like the thousands he has already killed.’
Thought I would fix that for you asswipe.
Buck Fush
February 19th, 2008 at 2:06 pmMcMetal @ 1:59,
February 19th, 2008 at 2:07 pmPoint taken, I understand.
Either T2 is wasted, or he’s having a stroke. Someone call 9-1-1.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 19, 2008 @ 1:34 pm
I tried. It’s still busy. I don’t think Rudy’s gotten off the line yet.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:07 pmShould we tell the RNC they’re going to have to fund the T3 sooner than they want? I’m sure they could get a loan from the Chinese to pay for it.
“Al-Qaeda praying for Obama win,†says Australian PM.
http://www.news.com.au/ story/ 0,23599,21207082-1702,00.html
Comment by good_golly — February 19, 2008 @ 1:57 pm
PRIME Minister John Howard of Australia is a Chimpy lap dog , and has the same type of approval numbers as the retarded simian currently occupying and fouling the Oval Office ; his opinion means about as much as Glenn Speck (of shit) spewing the crap he has , and which this thread is based upon……….Nothing
February 19th, 2008 at 2:08 pmSo?
Comment by Tracy2
like talking to a 4 year old…….waste of time.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:09 pmOh, Gigi, why use the opinion of a far-right Chimpy leg-humper as an authority when you can go to your own CIA?
Regarding the 2004 bin Laden tape released just before the election, the CIA analysis of the video led them to the consensus view that the tape was designed strategically to help President Bush win reelection in 2004. Deputy CIA director John E. McLaughlin noted at one meeting, “Bin Laden certainly did a nice favor today for the President.”
February 19th, 2008 at 2:10 pmFebruary 11, 2007 10:59am
Article from: AAP
PRIME Minister John Howard has blasted US presidential candidate Barack Obama, saying his policy of withdrawing troops from Iraq will destabilise the entire Middle East.
Goon_golly must live in a time warp. It’s quoting a news article from almost a year ago. Apparently the Australian people disagreed with Howard because they kicked his a$$ out of office.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:11 pmCol. Ripper@2:05
February 19th, 2008 at 2:11 pmWhen was “Cold” attacked, why and by whom?
like talking to a 4 year old…….waste of time.
Comment by Fred
So why are you doing it?
February 19th, 2008 at 2:12 pmThey should get a FISA warrant to wiretap into Chenney’s phone! That war criminal has a lot to unswer, including his involvement on the 9/11 attacks!
February 19th, 2008 at 2:12 pmCol. Ripper@2:05
When was “Cold†attacked, why and by whom?
Comment by Klem Kiddilehopper — February 19, 2008 @ 2:11 pm
It’s Chimpy’s new “War On Virus” …………He’s asking Congress for another $900 billion for it.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:13 pmComment by good_golly — February 19, 2008 @ 1:57 pm
why doesn’t Good_golly tell us why it would be bad to leave Iraq in his/her own words…
February 19th, 2008 at 2:13 pmIs that where they carry their guns nowadays? The whole situation seemed surreal, I got in my truck and got the hell out of there…………..
Comment by Billy Hill — February 19, 2008 @ 1:56 pm
Why, you want everybody to get as many guns as they can don’t you. Oh no, you think only Republicans buy guns. Dumbass. Interesting you brought this up because I was just thinking about how many students have been killed on campuses because of “legal” automatic weapons. Nobody seems to care about those American deaths. The only deaths that matter to us are supposed to be the murders committed by Muslims. If your kid gets shot while at school and it’s by a Christian then buck up, right.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:13 pmlike talking to a 4 year old…….waste of time.
Comment by Fred
So why are you doing it?
Comment by bilbobaggins
I’m not…..it was just an observation.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:13 pmNow, you might be confusing bin Laden as being involved in the first WTC attack. He wasn’t. Clinton’s Justice Department captured all those responsible for that, tried them, convicted them and they’re still in jail.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — February 19, 2008 @ 2:05 pm
Bin Laden himself wasn’t, but Ramsi Youssef and Sheikh Omar ‘Abd ar-Rahman were connected with Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and other former Afghan Arabs who were coalescing into what would become known as al-Qa’ida.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:14 pmWe did kick Jonny Coward (Howard) out of office because he was just another of Bush’s poodles. He lost by a landslide! I vote against him Grolly Bolly!
February 19th, 2008 at 2:14 pmSo Bill Hilly, what do you suppose Nancy was doing in El Segundo?
February 19th, 2008 at 2:15 pm#175 – “He tried to change the rule in the middle of the game. Period.” Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
It’s interesting that the re-counting method supported by then-Gov. Bush wouls have awarded the state of Florida to VPres. Gore, and the people’s majority vote would have been fulfilled.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:15 pmTracy2 is only on comment #110. How about if we each repost some of our comments (which is SOP for troll debate style) and get this thread up to 300 posts. Tracy2 will have to go into hyperdrive and probably burn out. Then, maybe we can get the Tracy3.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:15 pmGo back to your pub and drink yourself into oblivian. Then do your normal routine of beating your wife, and then the dog. Piss yourself on the couch and wait for a new day.
Comment by Southern Man
Total projection by S & M.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:16 pmAl-Qaeda praying for Obama win,†says Australian PM.
http://www.news.com.au/ story/ 0,23599,21207082-1702,00.html
Comment by good_golly — February 19, 2008 @ 1:57 pm
How many troops has this Australian Prime Minister sent to Iraq, jerkwad? He is more reichwing than Bush, why don’t you move there?
February 19th, 2008 at 2:16 pm#121
Comment by MCMetal — February 19, 2008 @ 1:47 pm
According to Florida election law. There are specific requirements for a recount but that didn’t stop that hanging chad counters.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 2:13 pm
Actually it did stop them ; Gore was the one hurt by the votes that weren’t counted because of supposed “hanging chads”.
And those were only ballots that had 1 semi-punched out area by his name on the entire ballot , which should have been counted as votes………..
February 19th, 2008 at 2:18 pmGrolly Bolly… little Jonny howard is an irrelevant idiot who was kicked out of office for following the War Criminals of Washington!
February 19th, 2008 at 2:18 pmNancy filling out an application for a conceal carry permit and was purchasing a new Bushmaster M-4 tactical with a whole bunch of goodies……what the hell is going on here????? There were about 6 SS guys in the store with her and I would say 3 of them were fingering the scopes, knives, bullets, mags and such with one hand down their pants????? Is that where they carry their guns nowadays? The whole situation seemed surreal, I got in my truck and got the hell out of there………
Maybe they are arming themselves to be able to fight back when Bush declares the election null and void and tries to shut down Congress. I would love to see Nancy Pelosi with a gun trained on Bush saying “Go ahead, make my day”.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:19 pm“Al-Qaeda praying for Obama win,†says Australian PM. ” Comment by good_golly — February 19, 2008 @ 1:57 pm
Well, al Quida prayed for Pres. Bush to be elected in 2004 and their prayers were answered!
February 19th, 2008 at 2:19 pmComment by Captain Howdy — February 19, 2008 @ 1:08 pm
Go back to your pub and drink yourself into oblivian. Then do your normal routine of beating your wife, and then the dog. Piss yourself on the couch and wait for a new day.
Comment by Southern Man — February 19, 2008 @ 2:01 pm
Hey S&M, why don’t you go Cheney yourself.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:19 pmOur new Prime Minister has a lot more integrity than the idiot Jonny Howard! He has also promised us that Australia will leave Iraq. That why he is our Prime Minister now!
February 19th, 2008 at 2:20 pmI meant: That is why he is our Prime Minister now!
February 19th, 2008 at 2:21 pm#168
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — February 19, 2008 @ 2:05 pm
Those directly involved but not all those responsible. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed funded and helped Ramzi Yousef FYI.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 2:19 pm
And ?
How about instead of dancing around with them , Chimpy arrests the Saudi sheiks who are his buddies and who have been mostly responsible for funding terrorism and terrorists , more than other other individual(s) and/or country(s)…………..
February 19th, 2008 at 2:21 pmTracy: “So?”
So??!!! What the hell do you even mean with “so?” You claimed Clinton didn’t get bin Laden for 8 years. I pointed out that Clinton’s CIA didn’t confirm to him that bin Laden was responsible for attacks until Clinton’s final 2 WEEKS! So, my point was that your “8 years” thing was bull.
And, Klem, as Ralph pointed out, I earlier typed 2 years when I meant to type 2 weeks. That’s all that is going on here so easy.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:22 pmComment by Shayne — February 19, 2008 @ 1:44 pm
Go ask the CIA and the NSA if it has helped.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 2:09 pm
It didn’t stop 9/11 or the anthrax attacks. And Bushco is unable to list one legitimate attack they have stopped and I’m pretty sure they would if they could.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:24 pmThinking about the fear mongering that the right is doing and accusing the Dems of weakening Bush’s ability to illegally spy on “US, REPORTERS, PROTESTERS, DEMS IN CONGRESS” that this is more than likely a setup for something that Bush/Cheney has planned before the elections.
Say like maybe an attack already in the works more than likely, that they can then point the finger at Dems in Congress and scare the crap out of the lemming non-thinking public.
Buck Fush
February 19th, 2008 at 2:24 pmAnd, Klem, as Ralph pointed out, I earlier typed 2 years when I meant to type 2 weeks. That’s all that is going on here so easy.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — February 19, 2008 @ 2:22 pm
He already acknowledged that , Col Jack ……….BTW Any chance you’re related to Col Sanders and can get me some free buckets of spicy chicken ?
February 19th, 2008 at 2:24 pm#207 – “That is an irrelevant point. Connections between terrorist isn’t important.” Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 2:23 pm
But it WAS important enough for Pres. bush to (attempt to) tie Usama bin Laden with Saddam Hussein.
I guess false connections between some “terrorists” are more important than real connections between other “terrorists”.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:25 pmWrong, Dixie. Thanks for playing.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:25 pm#189
Comment by toasterhead — February 19, 2008 @ 2:14 pm
That is an irrelevant point. Connections between terrorist isn’t important.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 2:23 pm
IT ISN’T ?
Then why did Chimpy and Co try to create a non-existenet connection between Saddam/Iraq and Bin Laden/al Qeada/the Taliban so strenouously before illegally invading Iraq ?
February 19th, 2008 at 2:26 pmI actually think tracy2 thinks she is some kind of super multitasking liberal buster who is parrying and thrusting in every direction and sucessfully debunking leftie nottions left and right…..smoking and eating at the same time…..prolly got the tv on in the background.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:26 pm#211 – “Had the three agencies been able to cooperate with one another(as they do now, after Clinton left office) 9/11 and other attacks on the U.S. and our allies could have been prevented.” Comment by Southern Man — February 19, 2008 @ 2:24 pm
And, yet, September 11th still happened AFTER Pres. Clinton left office, and Pres. Bush was in charge.
Your logic doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:27 pmClinton’s C.I.A., F.B.I., and NSA were not allowed to work together because of Clinton and his efforts to purge these agencies. Go back and read your 9/11 report, it states it all in nice, clear language. And Clinton did not use undercover covert C.I.A. agents in the Middle East when the C.I.A. and Congress were adviving him to do so. Had the three agencies been able to cooperate with one another(as they do now, after Clinton left office) 9/11 and other attacks on the U.S. and our allies could have been prevented.
Comment by Southern Man — February 19, 2008 @ 2:24 pm
Then what is your excuse for your imbecilic hero being unable to stop 9/11 during HIS PRESIDENCY , you ignorant slug ?
February 19th, 2008 at 2:27 pmTotal projection by S & M.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 19, 2008 @ 2:16 pm
Being an idiot must be fun.
Comment by Southern Man — February 19, 2008 @ 2:26 pm
So , tell us how much fun you’re having ………………
February 19th, 2008 at 2:28 pmCan someone please answer for Tracy2 who was in office on September 11, 2001. Anyone? Anyone?
Can someone please remind Tracy2 that when Clinton dropped a few missiles on a suspected terrorist operation in Sudan, destroying it, Tom DeLay and his diapered sniveling sychophants wailed like a bunch of horny baboons — wag the dog, wag the dog — let’s impeach the bastard.
I know an understanding of recent history (much less anything beyond that) is too much to much to ask the brain-dead, incurious rightwing knuckledragging flat-earth morons, but Jesus Christ, if you are going to invoke, “it was Clinton’s fault,” a least be ready with some better arguments. Furthermore, what is the statute of limitations on blaming everything on Bill Clinton? Do they extend into any other Republican administration (God unwilling!)?
February 19th, 2008 at 2:28 pm#192
Comment by Democrat Soldier — February 19, 2008 @ 2:15 pm
Well OK I agreed with that method also, BUT you don’t change the rules to attempt to produce a desired outcome. Change the law first. Simple.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 2:25 pm
You mean like the one that says you cannot spy on fellow Americans without a warrant and/or retroactive immunity for telecom companies after cooperating in illegal behavior ?
February 19th, 2008 at 2:31 pm#214 – “Well OK I agreed with that method also, BUT you don’t change the rules to attempt to produce a desired outcome. Change the law first. Simple.” Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 2:25 pm
But something you fail to recognize: the recount WAS legal!
Either or both candidates could have legally asked for a recount, but then-Gov. Bush put up sp many legal hurdles that the recount (under proper legal pervue) was unable to be held. ThenGov. Bush demanded concessions (special eye-witnesses, different rules than the law allowed for counting votes, legal blockades) that eventually led to the state being declared for him.
The follow-up comission report showed that out of the 9 possible recount scenarios, the 3 that VPres. Gore wanted would have called the state for Bush. The other 6 scenarios (Bush rules) would have gone for Gore.
The truth will set you free, but first it’s gonna tick you off!
February 19th, 2008 at 2:32 pmActually it did stop them ; Gore was the one hurt by the votes that weren’t counted because of supposed “hanging chadsâ€.â€
Say alot about those who voted for him and those who ran those precincts.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 2:29 pm
There you go again, moving the goal posts. You are so predictable.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:33 pmNewsflash Blechh, the President is only ONE of THREE equal branches of power. Besides that the ability to tap suspected communications will not be affected by this latest fear factoring.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:33 pm#196
“Actually it did stop them ; Gore was the one hurt by the votes that weren’t counted because of supposed “hanging chadsâ€.â€
Say alot about those who voted for him and those who ran those precincts.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 2:29 pm
Says even more about Jeb , Katherine Harris and the entire horseshit GOP ; who tried to stop recounts , did recounts totally shrouded in secrecy , and had differing methods and standards for which votes should be kept and which should be discounted……….
February 19th, 2008 at 2:33 pm#226 – “Say alot about those who voted for him and those who ran those precincts.” Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 2:29 pm
What’s even funnier was when Savage got a voting card used by the “hanging chad” counties/precincts to show how “easy” it was to vote that he ended up with hanging chads on all his votes!
February 19th, 2008 at 2:34 pmI’m still laughing about “oblivian” and now the troll is talking about “nice, clear language” after that incoherent rant about guns. Way to reinforce the slack-jawed yokel stereotype, troll!
February 19th, 2008 at 2:34 pmI may have missed the rebuttal, but if I didn’t and there was none, you guys managed to let Tracey2 get away with telling a big lie.
He argues that if the Telecom companies aren’t allowed to ‘cooperate with Intel Agencies’, that they’ll stop and we’ll get no intel on the Terrorists.
This is a blatent lie.
Qwest would have given the USA their telecom surveillance if the USA had brought one little thing…this little ‘FISA Court Warrant’ thing that is needed to begin surveillance. That is all they needed, and if the surveillance was truely that important, FISA would have given them the warrant they needed.
Why is Bush lying?
Why are Bush’s supporters lying?
Hmm. Well, warrantless wiretapping began before 9/11.
Bush has hired the Nixon crew for his supporters.
Warrantless wiretapping was used by Nixon to spy on political opponents.
It doesn’t take a lot of fnord to see what Bush might have been trying to do.
The lies continue…01/20/2009.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:35 pmI have a feeling one of CNN parent companies is a Telcom. =)
February 19th, 2008 at 2:35 pmI got a big kick out of watching ‘W’ in Africa.
Even though many don’t speak English, anyone he talks to says ‘Obama’.
This has got to be driving him mad(der). ‘My God, I’m here to give these poor bastards some aid, & all I hear is Obama!’
Get used to it, Mr. Invader, you’re going to be hearing it a lot more here!
February 19th, 2008 at 2:36 pmIndeed, one of the biggest lapses in tapping came when the Republican led congress didnt pay its telcom bill!
February 19th, 2008 at 2:38 pmwow… the hillbilly, the goon and the tracy trools, all together…
who did i miss?… quite the trooll-fest in here…
just a reminder:
Yeah you guys are such suckers.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:38 pmComment by Tracy2 — February 15, 2008 @ 11:14 pm
Let’s look at facts…
February 19th, 2008 at 2:40 pmClinton Administration developed the nation’s first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator of anti-terrorist efforts.
Clinton Administration stopped the Al Qaeda millennium hijacking and bombing plots.
Clinton Administration stopped the planned attack to kill the Pope
Clinton Administration stopped the planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously
Clinton Administration stopped the planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters
Clinton Administration stopped the planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters
Clinton Administration stopped the planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington
Clinton Administration stopped the planned attack to blow up Boston airport
Clinton Administration stopped the planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY
Clinton Administration stopped the planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge
Clinton Administration stopped the planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania
– Tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 2:37 pm
Read Richard Clarke’s book for a description of the pusuit of OBL under Clinton- he has some interesting things to say. And as the man in charge of the operation, he actually has some credibility… unlike others I could mention.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:41 pmYou assume. There are agents in the field sill you know.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 2:39 pm
Well there’s one less, Valerie Plame.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:41 pmCmon Tracy, we know your spinning BS, how can you be such an intentional fibber?
February 19th, 2008 at 2:41 pmMC Metal: “Any chance you’re related to Col Sanders and can get me some free buckets of spicy chicken ?”
No, but we greatly admire the venerable and inscrutable Colonel – venerable because of his sacred white goatee and inscrutable because of his dogged resistance to revealing the secret ingredients.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:42 pmClinton managed to stop all these attacks without all this new tapping crap unr the current admin, how do you think that was done Tracy?
February 19th, 2008 at 2:43 pmSorry, DickLessTracy2, losers don’t get to re-write history.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:43 pmThe attack had all the hallmarks of al Qaeda.
Comment by Tracy2
this was a qualification…….I had to chuckle….
February 19th, 2008 at 2:44 pmIs Tracy2 so mad at Clinton still that he would ignore the Bush failures of the last 7 yrs?
Didn’t he read the Gonzo thread? Republicans are all about looking to the future.
And Tracy2’s future is going to be filled with anger because republicans have next to no chance of retaining the white house.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:44 pmClinton Administration sent legislation to Congress to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF TERRORIST FUNDING. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:45 pmThere are agents in the field sill you know.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 2:39 pm
After the outing of Plame as well as the whole cover company of Brewster & Jennings, not quite as many of ours in the field as there used to be.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:46 pmClinton Administration sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF EXPLOSIVES USED BY TERRORISTS. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:46 pmt was an asprin factory.
Comment by Tracy2
Maybe it had aluminum tubes?
February 19th, 2008 at 2:47 pmIf Beck can get Nancy a table, I don’t care who he lies about.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:48 pmPaul Bremer, current Civilian Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley as he believed the Clinton Administration had “correctly focused on bin Laden.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:50 pmsorry all…….this one bears repeating…….how about it tracy….you really look foolish now…..
It was an asprin factory.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 2:44 pm
Yet you still believe Saddam had WMDS!!! ROTFL!!! HYSTERICAL!! Your DOUBLE STANDARD and BLIND RAGE shows just what kind of DANGEROUS PEOPLE YOU INSANE GOP TARDS ARE!
Comment by republicans hate facts
February 19th, 2008 at 2:51 pmClinton Administration sent legislation to Congress to TIGHTEN AIRPORT SECURITY. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:54 pmWell there’s one less, Valerie Plame.
Comment by Shayne — February 19, 2008 @ 2:41 pm
You are forgetting the whole cover company Brewster & Jennings, and anyone who has ever worked for them, or who has ever associated with them.
A major anti-nuclear operation was hosed in that fiasco. The Drunken Monkey blinded the CIA in the middle east and in the former Soviet Republic in one fell swoop. He couldn’t have done better for the “other side” if he was paid mole agent. Bushco set back anti-nuclear proliferation 20 years by outing one agent publicly, thus outing a whole operation.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:56 pmonce they get backed into a corner they just dissapear…..tracy2 will come back later and refute a lot of the posts here….one by one….it’s kinda sad.
bet he wears tights and probably has a cape…….
February 19th, 2008 at 2:57 pmClinton Administration sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF EXPLOSIVES USED BY TERRORISTS. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.
Comment by Xisithrus — February 19, 2008 @ 2:46 pm
Historical fact.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:58 pm#215
Comment by MCMetal — February 19, 2008 @ 2:26 pm
I was being facetious. Woosh!!
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 2:41 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah , you mean like yesterday ?
Bullshit
February 19th, 2008 at 2:58 pmI’d like to see Nancy Pelosi kick this sock puppet right in the package.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:59 pmMC Metal: “Any chance you’re related to Col Sanders and can get me some free buckets of spicy chicken ?â€
No, but we greatly admire the venerable and inscrutable Colonel – venerable because of his sacred white goatee and inscrutable because of his dogged resistance to revealing the secret ingredients.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — February 19, 2008 @ 2:42 pm
Obviously some/certain people can’t be bought ; unlike the entire horseshit GOP and most of the telecom companies………..
February 19th, 2008 at 3:00 pmI’d like to see Nancy Pelosi kick this sock puppet right in the package.
Comment by Dirty Hippie — February 19, 2008 @ 2:59 pm
You believe anyone has that type of pinpoint aim/accuracy , not named Beckham ?
February 19th, 2008 at 3:01 pmComment by Southern Man — February 19, 2008 @ 2:42 pm
The WaPo article essentially establishes that the Clinton administration was trying to catch or kill bin Laden while following the law. Even though the Bush administration doesn’t care about following laws, they still have failed miserably at this task over a much much longer period of time.
Fact, SM: After 9/11 there was a clear military goal to bring OBL to justice, to destroy Al Qaeda and the Taliban and to bring some semblance of economic, social and political stability to Afghanistan. Thanks to the other agendas of King George the Foolish, none of these have been achieved and the Taliban is once again on the offensive. Trying to blame Bill Clinton for this proves how pathetic your defense of Bush really is.
February 19th, 2008 at 3:02 pmI’d like to see Nancy Pelosi kick this sock puppet right in the package.
Comment by Dirty Hippie — February 19, 2008 @ 2:59 pm
I still don’t trust Nancy “Table Phobic” Pelosi as far as her bankrolling backers can spit.
February 19th, 2008 at 3:04 pmComment by Wayne — February 19, 2008 @ 3:04 pm
Wayne,
Here’s a recorded message:
“Your call is important to us. At this time, Nancy’s table is scheduled for MLB autographs. Please (don’t) call again! From the Office of the Speaker, thank you for your call.”
February 19th, 2008 at 3:17 pmTracy2, you’re my new favorite chatty kathy.
February 19th, 2008 at 3:18 pmIs the old FISA law sufficient to protect America?
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1752
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February 19th, 2008 at 3:22 pmOnce again I agree with you Wayne….In fact I have thought or some time now that bushco has their hand’s up her dress just like the saudi princes…After all she did admit to knowing long before the planned or ignored 9/11 event that she knew about bush’s wiretapping….The old term “pola-ticks make strange bed fellow’s” has never been more true….Blessings
February 19th, 2008 at 3:25 pmEh, Glen Becky doesn’t *have* a package. He stuffs his pants with a salami.
February 19th, 2008 at 3:27 pmEh, Glen Becky doesn’t *have* a package. He stuffs his pants with a salami.
Comment by Leftside Annie — February 19, 2008 @ 3:27 pm
Someone should tell him it works better to the front…..
February 19th, 2008 at 3:43 pmI am not defending Bush. I am simply pointing out that our goverment failed us when Clinton was in office, and when Bush was in office. Some above are trying to portray Clinton as being in the dark about OBL months before he was to leave office. That is a blatant lie, and the facts I show prove this. Did you even read my post?
Comment by Southern Man — February 19, 2008 @ 3:42 pm
Umm , know what the “tiny” difference is ?
Shrub has been an absolute failure (just like in his entire useless existence) ; Clinton wasn’t…………….
February 19th, 2008 at 3:48 pmI am not defending Bush. I am simply pointing out that our goverment failed us when Clinton was in office, and when Bush was in office. Some above are trying to portray Clinton as being in the dark about OBL months before he was to leave office. That is a blatant lie, and the facts I show prove this. Did you even read my post?
Comment by Southern Man — February 19, 2008 @ 3:42 pm
No one is trying to portray Clinton as being in the dark about OBL. In fact, just the opposite is true- when Clinton left office he told Bush to look out for OBL and Bush blew him off… he didn’t need any advice from a CLINTON and he wouldn’t concern himself with “swatting flies” THAT’s the point we’re trying to get across…
February 19th, 2008 at 3:55 pmere is nothing distorted about the fact that Clinton didn’t get bin Laden for eight years after repeated attacks.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 1:50 pm
none on American soil. funny about that, Bush has let him go after 9/11. You should be ashamed to bring Clinton up in the face of Bush’s remarkable failures to defend the homeland.
February 19th, 2008 at 4:01 pmHad the three agencies been able to cooperate with one another(as they do now, after Clinton left office) 9/11 and other attacks on the U.S. and our allies could have been prevented.
Comment by Southern Man — February 19, 2008 @ 2:24 pm
Funny, it didn’t work to stop Bin Laden after Clinton left office, either. You have no argument, but thanks for 9/11; it’s all on your hands.
February 19th, 2008 at 4:04 pmClinton Administration sent legislation to Congress to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF TERRORIST FUNDING. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.
Comment by Xisithrus — February 19, 2008 @ 2:45 pm
republicans are provably pro-terrorist. That’s why Bin Laden waited until bush was in office before carrying out the 9/11 plan. He was assured of success.
February 19th, 2008 at 4:07 pmBushco set back anti-nuclear proliferation 20 years by outing one agent publicly, thus outing a whole operation.
Comment by Wayne — February 19, 2008 @ 2:56 pm
I know Wayne but Tracy has trouble reading more than one sentence at a time. We can only give him info in tiny bits and pieces.
February 19th, 2008 at 4:15 pmEh, Glen Becky doesn’t *have* a package. He stuffs his pants with a salami.
Comment by Leftside Annie — February 19, 2008 @ 3:27 pm
Oh that poor salami.
February 19th, 2008 at 4:19 pmnone on American soil.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — February 19, 2008 @ 4:01 pm
Well, the first WTC bombing was on American soil. And the two embassy attacks were technically on American soil. And the assassination of terrorist leader Meir Kahane – recognized as the first al-Qa’ida operation, was on American soil during the first Bush Administration.
February 19th, 2008 at 4:27 pmthe bush v gore decision has been determined illegitimate by many serious legal scholars. it was a one-off decision, replete with ass-covering language that said it only applied to that one instance, and none of the justices, not even the openly corrupt ones, would sign their name to it, so ashamed were they of it.
February 19th, 2008 at 4:29 pm“The United States Supreme Court voted 7–2 to end the recount on the grounds that differing standards in different counties constituted an equal protection violationâ€
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 4:23 pm
Yeah, the Supreme Court handed Gore’s presidency to Bush. That’s what we’ve been saying for years now.
February 19th, 2008 at 4:29 pmSo it’s that Republicans that didn’t allow Democratically run counties to update their voting machines. Yeah, whatever! Excuses and nothing but in order to cover for voter stupidity and election official incompetence.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
Forget about what the Counties did or didn’t do. The Supreme Court stepped into what was a state matter and handed Gore’s presidency to Bush.
February 19th, 2008 at 4:33 pmHay Shayne is this new little troll ms. tracy2 step for real.? Seem’s a tad bit slow in the fact and retain department….What ever the reich is paying her it’s way to much………Blessings
February 19th, 2008 at 4:37 pmAfter reading all the comments on this thread I thought that opening a Political Bar where TP blogging comments will be shown on big screen TVs. There will be a rule that whenever a troll posts, customers have to take a drink. Its got to be a money maker, any backers out there? Just to be safe, we will have to provide free cab rides home, but not to worry, St. Augustine is a small town!
February 19th, 2008 at 4:40 pmFL was going to go to Gore, and that was not “the plan” so the scotus was called in to subvert democracy, and they did. that’s what they were put on the bench for – to serve as operatives for the republican party, which they are. still.
February 19th, 2008 at 4:45 pm“The Equal Protection Clause is a Federal Constitutional matter.”
The Equal Protection Clause didn’t come into play because Florida had different means of voting throughout the state at that time. This was a state matter and the Supreme Court had no business interfering.
Where Gore blew it was when rather than seeking a recount of all the votes, he only sought a recount in select counties where he thought he might pick up votes.
Comment by good_golly — February 19, 2008 @ 4:38 pm
The Florida Supreme Court ordered a statewide recount.
February 19th, 2008 at 4:53 pmSo it’s that Republicans that didn’t allow Democratically run counties to update their voting machines. Yeah, whatever! Excuses and nothing but in order to cover for voter stupidity and election official incompetence.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
Ummm , the election official incompetence occurred because Florida had election officials that were all Republicans ; so yeah , the incompetence was there………And quite predictable.
February 19th, 2008 at 5:16 pmvoter stupidity and election official incompetence.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
Another confident American standing by the people and the “greatest system”. What gives Tracy?
February 19th, 2008 at 5:19 pm“The United States Supreme Court voted 7–2 to end the recount on the grounds that differing standards in different counties constituted an equal protection violationâ€
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 4:23 pm
such ignorant, uncostitutional bullshit. the right has no respect for the rule of law, and the right should be destroyed; they are completely antiAmerican, the real terrorist enemies of the USA.
February 19th, 2008 at 5:21 pmFL was going to go to Gore, and that was not “the plan†so the scotus was called in to subvert democracy, and they did. that’s what they were put on the bench for – to serve as operatives for the republican party, which they are. still.
Comment by tombaker — February 19, 2008 @ 4:45 pm
exactly. roberts and alito should be impeached, prosecuted and executed.
February 19th, 2008 at 5:22 pmWhile his legal accumen leaves much to be desired, I am happy to see that Tracy2 now admits that Gore would have won Florida if all the votes had been counted.
February 19th, 2008 at 5:32 pmAs to his posting this admission in this thread, I wonder if this isn’t a furhter admission that the PAA would have been not only unasked for by a Gore Admin. but also unneeded, as Gore already had experience and skill in using the EXISTING FISA laws to hunt OBL and had no need or desire to tap everyone’s phone and email traffic to do so.
*acumen is more ACCurate
February 19th, 2008 at 5:37 pmSay there T2, you’ve got yourself quite a pack of dogs – too bad none of’em hunt.
February 19th, 2008 at 6:32 pmPlease cite the precedent that they ignored.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 6:34 pm
If the didn’t get immunity for the cooperation that they provided just after 9/11, the Senate just past this provision BTW, there is no way in hell that they would provide further assistance, FISA court order or not.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 5:45 pm
To return to the topic at hand:
please cite an example of a legal wiretap that would be unattianble under existing FISA statutes.
and the issue is not just retroactive immunity for their actions immeadietly following 9/11- the wiretapping began prior to 9/11, they broke the law and they would like to be forgiven without having to admit they did… of course, if they had recieved a FISA court order they wouldn’t need immunity- they would have been compelled to submit to the Government’s requests- just like they will be REQUIRED to submit to future requests under FISA…
I’ve got to say, this misdirection is getting a little transparent…
February 19th, 2008 at 6:49 pmComment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 6:53 pm
again- read Richard Clarke’s book “Against all Enemies” and then decide whether Clinton “failed” to stop 9/11
February 19th, 2008 at 7:09 pmRichard Clarke seems to think that not only did Clinton prevent many 9/11’s he also would have been much more effective and pragmatic in responding to it… since he was the Chief of Counter- Terrorism I tend to think that his opinion carries more weight than yours.
BONUS RIGHT WING NUTJOB POLITICAL POINTS**** he was appointed by the blessed Saint Ronnie!
ooh, are you gonna get to me soon tracy?
February 19th, 2008 at 7:12 pmI think we’re alone now… there doesn’t seem to be anyone around…
To say that Gore really won the popular vote is something we will never know.
Comment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 7:14 pm
Actually, we do KNOW that… he won the popular vote by over half a million. AND according to the rules for the FL re-count that Bush requested himself- Gore won…
February 19th, 2008 at 7:20 pmBut this thread is about the fearmongering on the right regarding PAA and you have yet to address that issue…
Tracy?
February 19th, 2008 at 7:24 pmI hope you’re buying “Against all Enemies” on Amazon… you are really gonna enjoy it!
done
February 19th, 2008 at 7:28 pmI’m reserving it now, I’ll tell you what I think
done- assuming that I can get it from the library reservations in that time- I don’t think it will be a problem.
February 19th, 2008 at 7:31 pmComment by Tracy2 — February 19, 2008 @ 7:28 pm
Different totals rarely lead to different results in elections and there are always voting irregularities- they are the noise in the system. When the result is close, that noise can effect the outcome and the vote count deserves special attention- but it is not always warranted. It WAS warranted in FL in 2000 as the electoral college vote count hinged on the outcome- when using the vote count methods that Bush requested (complete recount) Gore won…
February 19th, 2008 at 7:37 pmWe may end up with our military fighting Blackwater employees in our streets. Very scary indeed.
Comment by bilbobaggins — February 19, 2008 @ 2:06 pm
Even at 57 years old, I’d enlist…all of Blackwater needs to be prosecuted with Bush, Cheney and the rest. I was just following orders doesn’t cut it.
February 19th, 2008 at 7:54 pmtesting tags……these are code tags. I see tracy 2 worked had enough to probably make $20 today at $.10 a post. Good job tracy
February 19th, 2008 at 8:21 pmthat didn’t do much….try it again
February 19th, 2008 at 8:22 pmlets try an unordered list or bulleted list
test
February 19th, 2008 at 8:24 pmtest2
test3
this should be underlined
February 19th, 2008 at 8:26 pmshould have a line thorugh it…
February 19th, 2008 at 8:28 pmwell most didn’t work……let’s try blockquote
February 19th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
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SINCE WHEN IS WARRANTLESS CONSTITUTIONALLY LEGAL?
If WARRANTLESS is to be considered legal, then why the need for amnesty from prosecution?
If doing the Patriotic thing means handing over your protection from a form of government that is compelled to invade one’s privacy, then how did the Founders get the Fourth Amendment wrong?
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Yet blowhards like Beck are allowed to spew their ANTI-AMERICAN stance with such bravado and pompousness while claiming to be for America… AMAZING!!!
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February 19th, 2008 at 10:40 pmjust more “FEARMONGERING” coming from another BUSHCO chimp.
February 20th, 2008 at 12:20 pmHe has a vaild point because the Speaker of the House and Congress themselves have the power to send Americans to war or to see that they get money for supplies. Last time I checked that was responsablity.
April 25th, 2008 at 2:43 pmHow do these idiots keep supporting this administration that has still failed to bring AQ to its knees, faces a worsening condition in Afghanistan and a war in Iraq that has lasted longer than WWII without a real definitive success? I am tired of hearing that insurgencies take a long time to put down. There was never a reason for the insurgency to have started had the Republicans shown the slightest bit of common sense in their planning for the war and the occupation. But noooooo – these idiots know everything. There was no reason to calm the civil unrest that arose weeks after the fall of Saddam. Nooo- there was no reason to maintain the Iraqi military. Oh Nooooooooooooo – there was no reason to maintain control over all those weapon dumps.
Would not any reasonable person start to wonder why all of these dire measures are needed now? Would not any reasonable person question the quality of the asus m68n battery,asus m6000 battery president and his political party that believes that we will always have to live in fear of our lives? What mother Fu ing incompetents.
October 15th, 2008 at 3:58 am