Supreme Court rejects warrantless wiretapping case.
By on Feb 19th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Supreme Court rejects warrantless wiretapping case.
The Supreme Court “has rejected a challenge to the Bush administration’s domestic spying program” brought forth by the American Civil Liberties Union. The court offered “no comment explaining why they turned down the appeal,” which seeks to allow a lawsuit over the warrantless wiretapping program. It was dismissed by a lower court “because the plaintiffs cannot prove their communications have been monitored.”
UPDATE: The ACLU responds to the rejection here.
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Must be nice to have the Supreme Court in your back pocket….
February 19th, 2008 at 10:33 amDid Scalia offer to punch any of the ACLU lawyers in the mouth?
February 19th, 2008 at 10:34 amCatch 22. Nice work Roberts. You can’t prove you’ve been harmed, or we’d have to kill you.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:36 amThis sounds like the tortured logic of a Clarence Thomas at work.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:37 amLemme get this straight — “you can’t prove anything because we have the evidence and we won’t let you have it — therefore, you have no case.”
Yep — sounds like our government continuing to ensure the freedoms and rights of all our citizens…
snark/off
February 19th, 2008 at 10:37 amIsn’t that what the trial/discovery process is for? These people need to be fired for lack of performance.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:38 amIf this isn’t the nail in the “telecom immunity” bill, I dont know what is. The courts are now refusing to answer a hugely important question, and its smells of obstruction.
That 5-4 majority is freakin’ HUGE for the Republicans.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:38 amOf all the body blows to our nation’s health and character delivered by BushCo via the stolen elections of 2000 and 2004, the turning of the SCOTUS into a right-wing dream factory will be the longest-lasting and ultimately most devastating.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:38 amanyone surprised?
February 19th, 2008 at 10:39 am#8 I agree Ralph……this may even keep us from obtaining justice when they are gone.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:42 amComment by katy
I know I’m not. It was coming one way or another.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:45 amIs this the . . ‘it’s not congress’ fault’ move ?
the one thing i am glad the next DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT (obama) has in their tool box thanks to bush….
SIGNING STATEMENTS!!!
one swipe of the pen and bush can be undone.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:46 amWas rather short sided of Bush with the signing statements. That is unless Bush has no plans on leaving the White House.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:48 amLook at that picture folks.
These are the terrorists – who intend to subvert the Constitution and threaten the freedom and health of all Americans.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:49 amWell I’m not surprised at all.
The Bush Shill Court is at it. as always.
One scribe says to another lets try this one, and the other scribe says we don’t really have to try anything, cus we are the court.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:50 amWas rather short sided of Bush with the signing statements. That is unless Bush has no plans on leaving the White House.
Comment by hellinabucket — February 19, 2008 @ 10:48 am
On the contrary. It would have been short-sighted of anyone with a reasonably mature sense of the world and one’s place in it.
For Bush, an infantile, self-absorbed psychopath (I’m guessing here) of demonstrated arrested development, it fits perfectly into his pattern.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:51 amThe Supremes would look at found money and see wallpaper.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:54 amThe court offered “no comment…
Why would they comment on this? They still haven’t explained why they installed Bush in the White house.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:55 amThis is why it is so important to
reject Telecom Immunity
If we fail to hold Telcos to account it is the end of America.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:55 amThe Supreme Court has the ability to force the federal government to open up its documents and show the details of who was being spied on and when. Why wouldn’t the Supreme Court just ask for the documents from the government? Has the incompetence and partisan hackery reached the very top echelons of American society?
February 19th, 2008 at 10:57 amSIGNING STATEMENTS!!!
one swipe of the pen and bush can be undone.
Comment by Fan of Man — February 19, 2008 @ 10:46 am
Our new president may not need signing statements. Not only will the new president be a Democrat, but he/she will be working with larger Democratic majorities in both the House and the Senate. And hopefully, whatever force has the Dems currently paralyzed will be gone when Bush and Cheney are.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:57 amGood point shoeless.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:57 amSeveral powerful Democrats have proof of these wiretaps. And they are obstructing justice in the Senate.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:57 amThis is the most important reason to vote Democratic in the Nov 08 election.
February 19th, 2008 at 10:58 amThis nation will not survive another neocon appointment to the highest bench in the land.
Not only will the new president be a Democrat, but he/she will be working with larger Democratic majorities in both the House and the Senate.
Comment by missmolly — February 19, 2008 @ 10:57 am
If you just jinxed the election I’m going to be seriously disappointed.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:02 amHas the incompetence and partisan hackery reached the very top echelons of American society?
Comment by robertoroberto
I don’t want to sound condesending but the answer is yes. bush appointees have pushed the supreme court so far to the right with unscrupulous appointees that will obviously protect the lawbreakers. It was already close before the election…..otherwise shrub would never have been appointed.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:03 amone swipe of the pen and bush can be undone.
Comment by Fan of Man @ 10:46 am
we should be so lucky…
it’ll take decades to clean up this mess…
February 19th, 2008 at 11:04 ambut dubya will NEVER be “undone”…
Who was the lower court judge that rejected the case making it easier for the SC to do the same? Want to bet Gonzo put him in there in this is still part of the same politicizing of justice that he hasn’t been made to answer for yet.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:08 amWell, whilst I wouldn’t like to miss an opportunity to bash the Roberts Supreme Court, I’d be interested to see their comments here.
The issue is whether the plaintiffs have standing, and this is not a trivial matter because frivolous complaints would overwhelm the system if the courts don’t take a firm line on legal standing.
And actually, because the substance of the issue is whether the President broke the law when it came to warrantless wiretapping, this issue ought to be resolved via impeachment proceedings. At least that’s how the Framers intended the system to work. Not everything belongs in the SCOTUS, and in this case Congress might be more deserving of criticism.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:16 am#29 Agreed
While we would all like to have the Supreme Court rule on the wiretapping issue they do have to follow the rules of law.
Unfortunately, even if they found someone with standing, the administration would fight the issue because it would require the release of information that would harm the security of the nation.
Something wrong in our system when an obvious threat to the Constitution can be circumvented.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:21 amThis came up from the 6th US Circuit court.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:22 amthe one thing i am glad the next DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT (obama) has in their tool box thanks to bush….
SIGNING STATEMENTS!!!
one swipe of the pen and bush can be undone.
Comment by Fan of Man
He’s not going to get elected… sorry. A half black Muslim? You’re INSANE if you think that any of the “flyover” states are going to rally behind him.
And if the impossible happened, and he did get elected, what makes you think that he’s going to undo much of Bushes policy? ALL politicians are criminal, REGARDLESS of party affiliation.
Did everybody forget that we have Bill Clinton, a Democrat, to thank for NAFTA and media deregualtion?
Not to mention that it sounds like you don’t really understand how “signing statements” actually work anyway.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:24 amMaybe it’s time to overturn the Supremes who appear to be out of touch with our Fourth Amendment rights?
February 19th, 2008 at 11:26 amThe ACLU should have used the exact same argument that the Bush Administration used to attack Iraq:
the absence of proof does NOT mean proof of absence!
They should have argued that the Bush Administration should have to prove they DID’NT illegally wiretap the people filing the lawsuit! It worked so well to let Pres. Bush invade another country, it shoudl work just as well to force the Bush Administration to be held accountable for their actions!
February 19th, 2008 at 11:28 amDo we have constitutional rights or not? If our SCOTUS will not uphold them, then they deserve to be fired. Position for life can change, as well, and perhaps should change when they fail to uphold the Constitution of this country. Let’s give them their “day in court” to explain what they’ve done before we storm the bastille. For storm clouds are surely gathering right now and the people are very angry.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:29 amOur new president may not need signing statements. Not only will the new president be a Democrat, but he/she will be working with larger Democratic majorities in both the House and the Senate. And hopefully, whatever force has the Dems currently paralyzed will be gone when Bush and Cheney are.
Comment by missmolly
The idiocy around here is just mind boggling. Neither Hillary nor Obama are going to get elected… period end of statement. There is too much dirt, waiting to be disseminated on Hillary. And redneck America, which is 90% of the country is not ready for a half black MUSLIM as President. IT’S COMPLETEY ABSURD TO EVEN ENTERTAIN SUCH THOUGHTS.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:29 am#32 – “Did everybody forget that we have Bill Clinton, a Democrat, to thank for NAFTA and media deregualtion?” Comment by JPV — February 19, 2008 @ 11:24 am
Compared to 4,000 dead service members based on LIES, I’ll take another Democratic President over ANY Republican President, any day.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:29 amDid everybody forget that we have Bill Clinton, a Democrat, to thank for NAFTA and media deregualtion?
Not to mention that it sounds like you don’t really understand how “signing statements†actually work anyway.
Comment by JPV
Well I don’t really want to be rude but I have to call bull on a couple of things.
boy you are full of it today. nafta was actually your boy georges project….a republic president. Deregulation is strictly a republic mechanism……clinton may have gotten pushed into it but it was a republic idea……
we understand many things…..unfortunatly for you.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:29 am#34 The whistleblower (AT & T) needs to be brought into this for that prima facie evidence we need. I believe that Bush’s ongoing personal statements about providing the telecoms immunity is evidence enough as well. If they did nothing wrong, then why need immunity. He’s indicted himself on this one.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:30 am32 – JVP
Most American people would vote for Obama and have a hundred years of peace than a hundred years of war with mcCain
February 19th, 2008 at 11:30 amso far, those “fly over” states are well behind the
half-white/half black, CHRISTIAN, candidate, BARACK OBAMA…
even in my red illinois county… which surprised me…
February 19th, 2008 at 11:30 am#36 – “The idiocy around here is just mind boggling. Neither Hillary nor Obama are going to get elected… period end of statement.”
Comment by JPV — February 19, 2008 @ 11:29 am
Remember in 2000, when Sen. McCain was “too old” to be President?
He’s even more “too old” to be president in 2008!
Anyone who’s trying to “sell” a McCain presidency to you is lying faster and more often than Pres. Bush as done hi swhole life!
February 19th, 2008 at 11:31 amCompared to 4,000 dead service members based on LIES, I’ll take another Democratic President over ANY Republican President, any day.
Comment by Democrat Soldier
Errr… you are aware that up until the 70’s that just about all US wars were started by Democrats… aren’t you?
Ahhh… the United States of Amnesia… gotta love it. No wonder this stupid country is such a god damned motherfucking mess.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:31 amThat, along with the communications to the telecoms who REFUSED to participate in this breach of justice would be helpful as well. It’s documentable. The best thing for Bush to do would be to resign before he is summarily impeached. What the SCOTUS has actually done is shown that this democracy is finished. Now it’s time for the people to unify and prove that this is still a country “of the people” and not “of the criminals”.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:32 amLooks like a relatively troll free morning is over.
And JPV has a point (other than the shape of its head). My Mom was worried about anyone ‘brought up in the Muslim faith’.
When I told her about my Muslim friends at work, and how I’d had them over for dinner multiple times, her eyes got real wide, then some bulb went off. Ya mean they’re people too>?
No amount of dirt is going to get McCain elected over Obama or Clinton.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:32 amPowerful Democrats (not to mention Republicans) and Telco employees and execs have the proof. And we can get it.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:33 amMost American people would vote for Obama and have a hundred years of peace than a hundred years of war with mcCain
Comment by Anjuna Laguna
With Karl Rove on McCain’s payroll?
LOL!!! GET REAL ALREADY!
February 19th, 2008 at 11:33 amComment by JPV — February 19, 2008 @ 11:24 am
Obama is not a Muslim. You idiots have to stop believing all the hate email you get.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:33 amjust about all US wars were started by Democrats…
Um, most of those wars, VietNam excepted, weren’t STARTED by democrats.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:33 amGeebus.
JPV: Not so fast there, “my friend”. I believe it’s you that has the convenient amnesia. This effin “mess” we’re in is due to YOUR president and no one else. Nice try though attempting to shift the blame. Everyone here knows the truth.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:33 amThanks, RU! This JPV moron obviously doesn’t know US history – hah!
February 19th, 2008 at 11:34 am#48 – “Obama is not a Muslim. You idiots have to stop believing all the hate email you get.” Comment by Shayne — February 19, 2008 @ 11:33 am
But that would require them to put their brains in gear, and think for themselves!
Sorry, aint gonna happen.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:34 amI suspect that JPV is none other than Jake – our piss-soaked troll without a brain. He spews his blather in the hope that someone will actually believe a word he says. His level of “concern trollism” is also pretty transparent. I love his sweeping blanket statements of disinformation though and would highly suspect that he checks the GOPiglet talking points each hour in ordere to spew them here.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:36 amComment by JPV — February 19, 2008 @ 11:29 am
February 19th, 2008 at 11:36 amOh and there’s no dirt on McCain at all. Except for being one of the Keating 5 and his wife’s drug addiction and confession that she stole them from her own nonprofit organization.
And Obama is Christian you moron.
The reichwingnutbags had better be very scared of an Obama presidency. He’ll wipe their party off the map before he’s finished; that is, what’s left of their paltry numbers – 26%ers – losers.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:37 amso far, those “fly over†states are well behind the
half-white/half black, CHRISTIAN, candidate, BARACK OBAMA…
even in my red illinois county… which surprised me…
Comment by katy
The fact that his father was a Muslim and Barack himself converted from Islam will inevitably be used against him… you’ll see.
Either him or Hillary are going to be SLAUGHTERED by Rove.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:38 amthe JPV trooll need to move on over to the mcCREEPY/mcCRAZY
thread where it will be more ON TOPIC.
FLAG / IGNORE
February 19th, 2008 at 11:38 amgood_golly: At least Obama CAN speak articulately – more than can be said for the idiot in chief who can’t complete a simple sentence.
As for Obama, good_golly (aka JPV), his popularity is sweeping the nation and he will be the next POTUS, that’s almost certain.
It’s the 26%ers like yourself who need to be shaking in their boots now…..or leaving the country.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:39 amJPV and good golly = piss soaked trolls not worthy of reading or dialogue.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:39 amObama being a muslim is about as nonsensical as the moon being made of swiss cheese. These trolls are not only demented but don’t have a shred of credibility or intelligence whatsoevah!
February 19th, 2008 at 11:41 amWith Karl Rove on McCain’s payroll?
LOL!!! GET REAL ALREADY!
Comment by JPV — February 19, 2008 @ 11:33 am
I think Rove is working on Hillary’s payroll already.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:41 amwhatevah ~ that’s an excellent point you make.
When you get used to the chympident’s mangling of the english language, Obama sounds like the most erudite orator ever.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:42 amOh and there’s no dirt on McCain at all. Except for being one of the Keating 5 and his wife’s drug addiction and confession that she stole them from her own nonprofit organization.
And Obama is Christian you moron.
Comment by Shayne
The media has proven time and time again, that they back conservative neocon politicians. They’ll play relatively soft with McCain, as they did with Bush. Remember all the story of drug and alcohol abused that dropped out of the news cycle rather quickly.
And yeah, I’m aware that Obama is a CONVERT to Christianity. Me calling him a Muslim, is a sarcastic take on the rhetoric that I believe will eventually be lobed at him by the Right Wing.
Sorry if my sarcasm wasn’t clear.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:43 amShayne: dontcha love these trolls? When they’re backed into a corner, they scream for Pillsbury Dough Boy. Karl Rove’s become a disgraceful irrelevant since leaving office. His tricks no longer work.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:43 amgigi and jpv translated
Oh My God, he’s a NEGRO!
February 19th, 2008 at 11:44 amJPV: Concern Troll: Don’t worry – no one can touch Barack Obama! He’s as clean as a whistle and when compared with McCrazy whose diagnosis probability doesn’t include a 4 year term, it’s over.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:44 amok, jpv, sarcasm noted, remove thyself from my previous post…
February 19th, 2008 at 11:45 amI accept that Obama can deliver plagarized speaches well, but 100 years of Nirvana??? Please.
Comment by good_golly — February 19, 2008 @ 11:36 am
Hey I’d write a speech for McCain and let him plagiarize it if he could speak like he hasn’t just taken a dose of methadone and can get up the energy to deliver it. And what’s with you trolls plagiarizing your talking points every morning without attributing credit to the RNC flunkie who sent them to you.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:45 amJPV: As well, a good course in conversational English might be nice for you. You obviously have no clue what sarcasm is all about. You’re nothing more creative than a pedestrian hit piece so don’t flatter yourself that you recognize or understand the concept of sarcasm as a oratory tool.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:46 amboy you are full of it today. nafta was actually your boy georges project….a republic president. Deregulation is strictly a republic mechanism……clinton may have gotten pushed into it but it was a republic idea……
Comment by Fred — February 19, 2008 @ 11:29 am
Hey hey hey!!! Waitacottonpickin’ minute… I had nuttin’ ta do w/ ANY of these bad, bad, bad t’ings. Sheesh!
February 19th, 2008 at 11:46 amShayne I think McCain also had some botox in the face. And don’t knock methadone man.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:46 amObama being a muslim is about as nonsensical as the moon being made of swiss cheese. These trolls are not only demented but don’t have a shred of credibility or intelligence whatsoevah!
Comment by whatevah
How in the FUCK am I being a troll?
I’m just stating my honest opinion. But when it doesn’t agree with your’s… I’m a troll.
I just think that some of you are being VERY naive about what’s going on. I don’t care to see McCain as President either but if he goes against either Hillary or Obama… I’m pretty sure he’s gonna win.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:46 amShayne: Let’s call the AP since McCrazy plagiarized as well – directly from the Beach Boys without their permission when he sang “bomb, bomb, bomb Iran”.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:47 amHe’s not going to get elected… sorry. A half black Muslim? You’re INSANE if you think that any of the “flyover†states are going to rally behind him.
Comment by JPV — February 19, 2008 @ 11:24 am
Ah, but you’re making an assumption that the American people will believe Obama is Muslim when he isn’t. You can send around all the evil e-mails you want, participate in all the whispering campaigns you want, but Americans know that Obama is a good man and they will make their choice based on the issues. The only people who will believe he’s a Muslim terrorist (or a Muslim of any kind) are in the 28% who would never vote for him anyway.
I predict that as we get closer to November (especially after Obama gets the nomination if he does), we will be seeing a lot more of the “B. Hussein Obama” and “Osama-Obama” references, as well as a lot more recycling of the “madrassa” story, even though that has been thoroughly debunked.
None of that will fly. It will just be preaching to a small, mentally arthritic choir.
I personally hope that the day will come when being an American Muslim is just as acceptable as being an American Jew, an American Catholic, and American Mormon, or an American anything else.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:47 amThe fact that his father was a Muslim and Barack himself converted from Islam will inevitably be used against him… you’ll see.
Either him or Hillary are going to be SLAUGHTERED by Rove.
Comment by JPV — February 19, 2008 @ 11:38 am
His father was an avowed atheist years before he was born. And so your claim that Barack converted from Islam is pure fiction. All of this has been debunked as has the lie that he attended a madrassa. Would you stop plaziarizing your talking points.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:47 amNaievete appears to be your forte, JPV. You get the medal on that count.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:47 amYou’re not giving the American people enough credit JPV.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:48 amI don’t think they’re going to get ‘fooled again’.
Everything JPV, the GOPiss-soaked troll, is all about “pure fiction”. Nothing he says is without the intent to mislead, taken straight from the Republiscumbag rule book.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:48 amAssuming, of course, that there actually IS an election in Nov 08.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:48 amIT’S COMPLETEY ABSURD TO EVEN ENTERTAIN SUCH THOUGHTS.
Comment by JPV — February 19, 2008 @ 11:29 am
This sure reeks of desperation… at least I hope that odor is desperation…
February 19th, 2008 at 11:48 amJPV is one of the most challenging posters here. I think he has an issue with Jewish people…which is understandable if you like justice, but I would say he dislikes Democrats and Republicans alike, which is one of the most progressive stands I could come up with.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:49 amThe american people will never get duped by these fools on the hill again.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:49 amso don’t flatter yourself that you recognize or understand the concept of sarcasm as a oratory tool.
Comment by whatevah — February 19, 2008 @ 11:46 am
BUT, he does understand the concept of being a tool… quite well.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:50 amSorry if my sarcasm wasn’t clear.
Comment by JPV — February 19, 2008 @ 11:43 am
He didn’t convert, he never was a muslim. You tell lies and then when you get caught you claim it was sarcasm. And while the MSM might not tell the truth about McCain, we will. And your guys at Fox are so dumb they’ll tell the public all about us.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:50 amJuanC: Instead of being an Independent, JPV’s a certified misanthrope.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:50 amgigi and jpv translated
Oh My God, he’s a NEGRO!
Comment by RUCerious
FUCK ,YOU GUYS ARE ALL IGNORANT STUPID PIECES OF SHIT!
I personally don’t give a FLYING FUCK if he’s black or green. But other people will for sure have a problem with it… I’M JUST STATING A MOTHERFUCKING FACT ASSHOLE!
ARE YOU TOO FUCKING STUPID TO UNDERSTAND THAT?
February 19th, 2008 at 11:50 amThe PUBLIC school Obama attended as a child had a course in world religions. That’s it.
But, hey, don’t let facts get in the way of a perfectly good smear, right JPV?
February 19th, 2008 at 11:50 amTROS: He’s a “fool’s tool”.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:51 amAnd yeah, I’m aware that Obama is a CONVERT to Christianity.
Comment by JPV — February 19, 2008 @ 11:43 am
Um…aren’t all Christians converts? Isn’t that what being “born again” is all about?
Any Christian who claims to have been born that way the first time will lose all credibility with the evangelicals.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:51 amJPV’s also a “bold blogger”, isn’t he? whoa.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:51 amI forgot to add: he has some rage issues…
February 19th, 2008 at 11:51 amYeah, right, JPV, that’s why you’re screaming here, because you don’t care. Hey, I’ve got an Arizona bridge I’d like you to look at…
February 19th, 2008 at 11:51 amWhen a baby monkey feels itself losing grip on its mother’s hair, it clutches harder. It’s called the Moro reflex.
The baby chimp trolls are obviously losing their grasp, their beloved Leader is collapsing before their eyes and they are spewing shit in a frantic Moro reflex.
Kind of fun to watch.
And it will only get better. After the 2008 elections when President Obama sweeps the field, these deluded chimps will be lying naked on the ground without their security blanket, and the lions are going to crunch their tiny skulls like popcorn.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:52 amDoes this JPV tool come here often to splatter the threads with his feces? Hippos do it as they back up to their enclosure….Hippo-crites do it on the threads.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:52 amShayne I think McCain also had some botox in the face. And don’t knock methadone man.
Comment by ForTruth — February 19, 2008 @ 11:46 am
I wouldn’t care if he’d wait until after he gives his speech. I’m a liberal.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:53 amNanlichi: Moro Reflex……when it applies to these uneducated trolls, it’s the abbreviation for “Moron Reflex”??
February 19th, 2008 at 11:53 amI just think that some of you are being VERY naive about what’s going on. I don’t care to see McCain as President either but if he goes against either Hillary or Obama… I’m pretty sure he’s gonna win.
Comment by JPV — February 19, 2008 @ 11:46 am
That’s right, he’s not “conservative enough” for you koolaid mainliners. You forgot about all your reichwing nutz who won’t vote for him for that reason handing us the election.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:54 amNanlichi: “like popcorn” or “pop goes the weazel” – love it. No doubt Obama will be the next president which will send these dweebs out of the country running for their lives. Can’t wait to pop the popcorn, as they say.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:55 amHey hey hey!!! Waitacottonpickin’ minute… I had nuttin’ ta do w/ ANY of these bad, bad, bad t’ings. Sheesh!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
they know who they are.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:55 amThat’s the funny part….trolls come her actin all gonzalas innocent…..like we’ve never seen that act before.
Shayne, I don’t think McCain could deliver a speech while having opiod withdrawals. Maybe they just need to lower his Methadone dose.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:55 amShayne: These reichwing nutjobs have become the laughingstock of this country. It’s entertaining to now see how handily and without conscience they “eat their own”. Do they also call themselves Christians as they’re gorging themselves on their own?
February 19th, 2008 at 11:56 amThe american people will never get duped by these fools on the hill again.
Comment by whatevah
mmmm…well, you know what I’m gonna say, don’t you?
Clinton will be your next president. And another war will be started, and probably next time, the American people won’t get duped again…
February 19th, 2008 at 11:56 amMoron Reflex, that’s good.
JPV should just take his AK-47 out to the woods and shoot up a refrigerator. Pretend it’s a terrorist out to kill his lover. Or a Democrat.
Piss soaked dumb fck troll.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:57 amThis sure reeks of desperation… at least I hope that odor is desperation…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 19, 2008 @ 11:48 am
Oh sure, now somebody has to clean up all the troll poo stinking up the place.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:57 amForTruth: One has to wonder how many medications McCrazy is actually on – he’s been on one for PTSD since his POW days; his wife has been addicted to prescription drugs (outed by Bush during the debates in 2000) as well as an assortment of cancer drugs.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:57 amok then… so much for the SUPREME COURT REJECTS
WARRANTLESS WIRETAPPING CASE thread…
here is a fine example of some friends of JPV:
Why We Do What We Do
February 19th, 2008 at 11:57 amhttp://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/18/why-we-do-what-we-do/
Troll poo, indeed. These threads are contaminated daily by their fecal outbursts.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:58 amShayne, my bad, I tried to reason with it, got it all over me and the thread.
Cleanup on SCOTUS thread!!
February 19th, 2008 at 11:59 amAnd whose fault is this? Totally the Dems. They approved those idiots that now sit on the SCOTUS. Welcome to the polices state that once was the United States.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:59 amJPV is one of the most challenging posters here.
Comment by Juan C. — February 19, 2008 @ 11:49 am
I hate to disagree Juan but frankly I think he is one of the most CHALLENGED posters here.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:59 amComment by Fred — February 19, 2008 @ 11:55 am
Yeah, but I’m a “respectable Republic”. I’m not like those other republics.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:00 pmBUT, he does understand the concept of being a tool… quite well.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 19, 2008 @ 11:50 am
But, but, but, “tools” are generally good for something and JPV is worthless.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:00 pmComment by katy — February 19, 2008 @ 11:57 am
I looked at that yesterday, katy. I hate to be crude, but the people shown in that clip are frighteningly stupid.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:01 pmDoes this JPV tool come here often to splatter the threads with his feces? Hippos do it as they back up to their enclosure….Hippo-crites do it on the threads.
Comment by whatevah — February 19, 2008 @ 11:52 am
Hard to tell, they always change their names because they are too big of cowards to stand up for the crap they’ve posted previously.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:02 pmThere are “good tools” and there are “bad tools”… and then, there are “trolls”.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:02 pmEh. We don’t need no steenking 4th Amendment!!!
February 19th, 2008 at 12:03 pmShayne, I don’t think McCain could deliver a speech while having opiod withdrawals. Maybe they just need to lower his Methadone dose.
Comment by ForTruth — February 19, 2008 @ 11:55 am
Maybe if he just smoked a bunch of weed until the speech was over he’d have more energy.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:03 pmJPV should just take his AK-47 out to the woods and shoot up a refrigerator. Pretend it’s a terrorist out to kill his lover. Or a Democrat.
Piss soaked dumb fck troll.
Comment by nanlichi — February 19, 2008 @ 11:57 am
You’re too funny. Like JPV could ever get a lover, good one.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:04 pmTotally the Dems. They approved those idiots that now sit on the SCOTUS.
Comment by scytherius — February 19, 2008 @ 11:59 am
Certain Dems for sure (Hey Schurmer, Feinstein… I’m talkin’ ta YOU…), but ALL Dems? Tighten the choke on that shotgun, scytherius. You just hit everyone in the room.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:04 pmOh sure, now somebody has to clean up all the troll poo stinking up the place.
Comment by Shayne — February 19, 2008 @ 11:57 am
hey, I call ‘em as I smell ‘em.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:05 pmForTruth: One has to wonder how many medications McCrazy is actually on – he’s been on one for PTSD since his POW days; his wife has been addicted to prescription drugs (outed by Bush during the debates in 2000) as well as an assortment of cancer drugs.
Comment by whatevah — February 19, 2008 @ 11:57 am
Well McCain might have a perscription for drugs but Cindy probably steals them from him. It’s her “thang”. Oh this general election is going to be delicious.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:05 pmComment by katy — February 19, 2008 @ 11:57 am
Good point katy but the people who believe this are the 26% that would never vote for a Democrat ever.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:08 pmThe evidence is being suppressed by Bush/Cheney.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:10 pmIt’s there.
What happened to the troll? I bet he moved over the the McCain thread.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:10 pmNo sightings of the JPV-ConcernTroll2 since the emotional breakdown halfway back up the thread.
God, what a freak!
February 19th, 2008 at 12:11 pmBut, but, but, “tools†are generally good for something and JPV is worthless.
Comment by Shayne — February 19, 2008 @ 12:00 pm
Not “worthless”. I think JPV is perfect as a bad example, the negative to demonstrate the positive.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:13 pmThe american people will never get duped by these fools on the hill again.
Comment by whatevah — February 19, 2008 @ 11:49 am
Never underestimate the idiocy of the American people.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:15 pmShayne, I bet JPV has a lover. If he is as frustrated as he appears, it’s probably his right hand though.
Wonder if he’s ambidexterous or monogamous?
Does the right hand know what the left does?
February 19th, 2008 at 12:30 pm“I personally hope that the day will come when being an American Muslim is just as acceptable as being an American Jew, an American Catholic, and American Mormon, or an American anything else.”
That day will come, Miss Molly. Just like 40 years ago, the ChiComs were the scary people that the Right feared. I can remember the “we have to fight them there or we’ll be fighting them here” refrain from way back then to justify our continued immoral war in VietNam. Once we left, the world didn’t end and now they are the Right’s favorite business partners.
The biggest fear that these trolls and the 28%er’s have is that this Bush GWOT will be found out to be as morally bankrupt fraud that we know it is. That will happen when a new Democratic President, backed by a clear Democratic majority, starts looking into how Republicans used the fear of brown-skinned people to drain our Treasury of $1 Trillion dollars.
Seriously, does anyone really fear some radical terrorists more than say, a Katrina sized hurricane or earthquake that can kill thousands and destroy billions of dollars in a matter of minutes?
February 19th, 2008 at 12:35 pmHere’s a great article by Glenn Greewald:
The courts and Congress affirmatively conceal and protect lawbreaking
February 19th, 2008 at 12:46 pmThe RATS strike again. Gee, who’da thunk.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:49 pmAhh, the “fascist shift*.” This is the beginning of the end to our Constitutional rights.
* phrase courtesy of Naomi Wolf, from her MUST READ by all world citizens, The End of America– Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot
Nearly finished it. The contents of this book should stun EVERY American, no matter what party affiliation, who believes in the tenants of American Democracy as laid out in our Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights.
This rejection to even hear the case is setting the course for a closed society. That is how fascism begins.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:52 pmwhy should anyone be surprised by this. i have been saying this for ever on here when you want to scream sue em, take em to court, charge em. folks yes in the fair world that would happen and yes that is what the majority of the american folks want but we are not ruling the USA. this is way bigger than bush and all of his criminial counterparts. all of em will go without any punishment. follow the money and it will take you to the zionists……who own it all and have infiltrated their way into american politics for decades to do just this……NWO.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:56 pmZIONIST OWNED
February 19th, 2008 at 12:57 pmNAZI RAN
FASCIST AMERICA
I totally forgot about McCain’s wife’s “little helper” issue. Yes back in the day she really liked to pop those pills.
February 19th, 2008 at 12:58 pmI agree with Ann Ghoulter on this. Feed em poison and clear the bench.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:34 pmI wonder if you said that on an open telephone line, and then the FBI showing up at your door, could that consistute as being listened in on?????
Hmmmm, I am sure there are cases of this, do not THESE individuals have cause to sue?
For some reason, that portrait of the Supreme Court brought the theme to the Addams Family to mind.
They’re creepy and they’re kooky,
Mysterious and spooky,
They’re all together ooky,
The [Supreme Court Justices].
- Tom
February 19th, 2008 at 1:40 pm“It was dismissed by a lower court “because the plaintiffs cannot prove their communications have been monitored.—
Brilliant logic – deal with that Catch-22 people!!!!!!!!!
February 19th, 2008 at 2:21 pmIt was dismissed by a lower court “because the plaintiffs cannot prove their communications have been monitored.â€
Talk about a catch 22. Nice punt Supremes. Want to bet the vote was 5-4. To anyone out there even considering voting Republican, think about the Supreme court. We’re stuck with these right wing ideologues for a very long time. We don’t need any more.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:28 pmAnd yeah, I’m aware that Obama is a CONVERT to Christianity. Me calling him a Muslim, is a sarcastic take on the rhetoric that I believe will eventually be lobed at him by the Right Wing.
Sorry if my sarcasm wasn’t clear.
Comment by JPV
Obama is not a convert to Christianity. It’s all he has ever been. In order for him to be a convert, he needed to be something else before he became a Christian. He was never a Muslim. I don’t know about everyone else, I am not buying that JPV was being sarcastic nor am I buying that he is really a progressive.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:38 pmThe babylonian captivity of the supreme court has come about by design, a design created by the Republican Party to affect a coup, and it has succeeded. It was obvious they were working on this when Raygun was Pres.. Impeaching Scalia and overturning W’s 2 appointments is the only conceivable remedy, and that’s not likely to happen.
IF a D is elected Pres., no appointments to the scotus will be permitted by the R’s, just like they did when clinton was in office. They will bide their time, while they blame the new D Pres. for everything that’s ever been wrong on earth. The sucker-headed public will buy that line, elect another R in ‘12, and that Pres. will complete the transformation of the scotus into an permanent wing of the R party (which statistically it already is).
R appointees to the bench have no qualms whatever about lying to congress. R’s have internalized “game theory” to the extent they’ve completely lost touch with reality, so “lying” is not really lying to them anymore. Roberts and Alito both lied through their teeth in their confirmation hearings. All of W’s Attorneys General have lied with complete abandon. The public is too stupid to notice, the press is too cynical to care, so we end up with a political party in exclusive control of the Law of the Land.
A legitimate Attorney General, and a legitimate Supreme Court would have the Republican Party indicted and tried under racketeering statutes. Never has more ciminal activity taken place in broad daylight without attention from Law Enforcement.
Some Martin Luther from the Bar Association desperately needs to make him/herself the spokesperson for a radical Reformation of the high court. Then the public needs a hardcore refresher course on the Constitution and how our Government is supposed to work, and then, maybe, we won’t be completely screwed any longer.
Sorry for the longwinded post, but this is one I’ve seen coming for a very long time. We’re just scratching the surface on the kind of damage this court can and will do.
February 19th, 2008 at 3:45 pmThe Supreme Court has become a tool of the Republican party rather than a just court where all can go for justice. The so called conservatives don’t seem to understand that they are the final aribitors and not just a wing of the party. They have violated the oath they took to protect and observe the constitution. There is no difference between them and Sadams fake courts or the Nazi judges who put Nazism first and justice second.
I’m sure there are some fools who still believe they are fair, but real justice died the day Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Roberts became the gang of 4 plus one. I have absolutely no respect for Scalia at all and very very little for Roberts and the rest of the republicans. They follow marching orders from the federalist society and fox news.
February 19th, 2008 at 4:48 pmIt always amazes me when the lunatic left whines when their hypocrisy is proven by the “right wing crazies”. The Supreme court was decidedly left in 2000 when Algore was combed out of Uncle Sam’s beard. The ultra-lunatic 9th Circuit ruled in EXACTLY the same way as the Supreme Court just did…but none of you nuts mention that. The Democrat majority Senate just passed the Telecom immunity bill…but none of you nuts mentioned that. Hillary, Kennedy, Reid, et. al. ALL supported the war and have voted for continued funding ever since. Obama himself has stated that he “would set a goal for removing troops by 2009…but will not be held to that”. Hillary (and slick-Willie, for that matter) have both ranted about “Bush’s War” but have voted to stay and/or surge every time. Google the word ‘hypocrisy’…you will see a mirror! I guess when your ideology is as flawed as the Lib’s is, all you have to fall back on is hypocrisy, whining and, of course, infantile and senseless rage. Rock on Roberts and Co.!!
February 21st, 2008 at 12:46 amOh yeah, before I forget…isn’t it interesting that neither Hillary or Obama has mentioned word one about dismantling this so-called “illegal” wire-tapping program. Why do you nuts think that is? Neither has Kennedy, Reid or any of the rest of the whackos that have ranted about this program all this time! Interesting how hypocrites’ words and actions are diametrically opposed to each other…that being, after all, the definition of hypocrite. Wouldn’t it be cool if Souter kicks off in the next couple of months and W gets one more on the bench before the year is out??!! We can but dream…
February 21st, 2008 at 1:41 am