GM exec: global warming still a ‘crock of sh*t.’
Reuters reports that GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz defended his previous remarks dismissing global warming as a “total crock of shit.” Lutz said his views had no bearing on GM’s commitment to build environmentally-friendly vehicles. He added that those “spewing virtual vitriol” at him for disparaging climate change were “missing the big picture.” “My thoughts on what has or hasn’t been the cause of climate change have nothing to do with the decisions I make,” Lutz alleged.
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A perfect executive - lying comes naturally…
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:24 pmI guess he doesn’t have kids or grandkids.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:24 pmI do, and I fear we’ve left them a hung mess to live in.
The “big picture” for this clown means he might have to exert himself minimally to continue to collect his obscene salary. He’s entitled. See?
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:26 pmWell, its not so much as it is about warming as its about peak oil and weaning ourselves off the oil addiction.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:27 pmYou know what else is a “crock of sh1t” ?
GM profitability.
The entire American Auto Industry is a “crock of sh1t”.
Period.
What kind of retardate would buy an american car anyway?
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:27 pmOoops…make that HONDA in my past post. My Bad.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:33 pmShorter Lutz: Thinking has nothing to do with my thinking.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:35 pmwow…my post didn’t take! BUMMER. Here goes again….
GM lost their potential as a world leader when they pulled the plug on their electric car. They could have been the company that celebrated the sale of their one millionth car instead of Honda.
They would have created jobs in manufacturing the cars, the parts, and everything that goes with it. Of course, those jobs would have gone to Canadians because they have healthcare, but that’s neither here nor there to this guy.
Lutz, screw you!
And as others have said, how’re those profits working out for ya?
Jerk!
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:36 pmAnyone looking for a reason for GM’s CONTINUE FAILURES need to look no further than this myopic, irrational and unscientific attitude.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:41 pmOh yeah, an executive at a company that just lost 40 Billion Dollars sure commands a lot of respect. They certainly know what they are doing over there at GM.
Maybe he can give a seminar to Toyota execs about how to run a car company (into the ground)!
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:46 pmi guess he and president Obama are going to have to come to some middle ground……
but oh wait….GM may not be around still
hahahahahahaha
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:51 pmSo if I understand Mr. Lutz correctly:
Leadership, who needs it!
Did i get that right? It’s like the dry drunk child we have as President. Can this be why the rest of the federal government is so screwed up, because Bush sets the standard of excellence like an inch off the floor.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:54 pmWhat’s good for GM is bad for the world.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:10 pmMusic night in full swing at TheZoo. :-)
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:11 pmYeah — and the Sun revolves around the Earth. Way to go Mr. GM.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:14 pmAnyone care to correlate his grasp of global warming with GM’s prognostications on what cars the American driver wants, GMs share of the car market, GM’s profit report, the economy of growth in Detroit, and even more starkly with the profitability and jobs of various GM sub-companies that supply parts for GM ?
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:14 pmhey bob, your company had the worst year in the history on the auto industry. ya happen to notice that?
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:21 pmMapleStreet, excellent post. I guess Bob Lutz is to the car business as Bill Kristol is to journalism. It makes you wonder why either guy still has a job. Maybe Mr. Lutz puts out in other ways to his boss.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:32 pmHey Putz, the next time you have a thought, keep it to yourself.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:37 pmI suggest felony charges for any CEOs and VPsthat makes decisions that adversely affect the environment, and that these charges extend to family members as well. Maybe then they will think before they leap.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:44 pmI’m just curious…what’s the difference between printing: “sh*t” and “shit”?
As if there’s a difference.
You’ve still said the same thing, and everyone who reads this says the same thing in their mind as they read it.
Is this some kind of “political correctness”?
If so, it’s totally stupid as usual. You’ve still said it, you just haven’t spelled it the same. As if there’s a fu*king difference!
This country…what a bunch of stupid prudes we are!
Cufford
Fresno, CA
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:45 pmWaterboard the bastard live on CNN .. let’s get to the ‘truth’.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:49 pmComment by Cufford — February 22, 2008 @ 9:45 pm
Putting “shit” in the title distracts people from the story, putting attention on the “naughty word.”
Notice the proper word is used within the story.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:49 pmNot ironic that Lutz rhymes with putz.
Go ahead, repeat that ad nauseam all the way to the unemployment line you stupid SOB.
BTW, how’s that profit margin and stock dividends looking lately, FCUKING IDIOT.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:57 pmRemember this Lutz guy is an auto exec not a scientist, so anything he says about science, is a crock of sh*t.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:02 pmIf you drive an SUV and don’t need 9000lb towing capacity or the ability to carry 7 adults daily, remember, our troops died for your MPG.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:06 pmWell bob lutz, you piece of shit, just guaranteed I or my family never buys a GM, EVER!
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:19 pmMe. I’m still counting down the days until I can buy a fifth-gen Camaro. I’m sorry that a Prius doesn’t light my fire the way a V8-powered muscle car does. I think the people who want to legislate performance out of existence see driving as a chore, not a pleasure, but that’s just me.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:20 pmA Camaro? That has nothing to do with driving, you just want to turn left for 500 miles. Camaro is a joke. A V8-powered muscle car is just a dick extension, which you obviously need.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:29 pmComment by Lefty Patriot — February 22, 2008 @ 10:29 pm
Wow. That was rude.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:30 pmLady Z,
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:37 pmYou never cease to amaze me.
Spoon ROCKS.
BTW, were you “rocked” by the Nevada quake?
Comment by DieNowForPeace — February 22, 2008 @ 10:37 pm
A lurker, eh? :-)
I totally love Spoon. So smooth…
No, I’m totally disappointed that I wasn’t rocked by the earthquake. Too far north. We REALLY felt the one in Seattle a few years ago. Fun!
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:41 pmLefty Patriot,
Whaddaya make of this, adrenaline pumping, 248MPH muscle car from hell!!!
http://www.evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=5018
Oh yeah, it’s ELECTRIC.
p.s. Camaro, nice, but give me a Vette (hey, when dreaming, shoot high!)
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:41 pmGeneral Motors Exec is still a crock of crap. And so are their gas guzzling swinemobiles.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:43 pmLurker, yes Zookeeper,
I read TheZoo everyday, just haven’t registered with WordPress yet…
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:46 pmComment by DieNowForPeace — February 22, 2008 @ 10:46 pm
Awww, you remembered. :-)
Thanks for reading us everyday!
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 pmLike we are gonna believe this knucklehead, he probably thinks the Aztec was a beautiful design. This is what we expect from someone who builds crap, and is constantly playing catch up with the Japanese companies, not to mention the ones from across the Atlantic. I will never, ever, buy another GM trashmobile. Take that to the bank, Putz.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 pmZooey,
Check out this video by Danish group Mew:
“The Zookeeper’s Boy”
I’ll register soon, so I can post on TheZoo’s music night!
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:54 pmWow. That was rude.
Comment by Zooey — February 22, 2008 @ 10:30 pm
I think buying a pig of a muscle car is much ruder.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:55 pmI think buying a pig of a muscle car is much ruder.
Comment by Lefty Patriot
But there’s very few prime examples left, and the time period which they exemplify was blind to the future reality.
Think of them as Faberge Eggs that fart, but you also get to ride around in.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:01 pmComment by DieNowForPeace — February 22, 2008 @ 10:54 pm
I’ll be happy to put up whatever you’d like to hear. And I’ll check out the video. I wonder if my son is in it. :D
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:02 pmAhem,
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:04 pmMy son is only 5, so he’s into anything I am into, by proxy!
But there’s very few prime examples left, and the time period which they exemplify was blind to the future reality.
Think of them as Faberge Eggs that fart, but you also get to ride around in.
Comment by DieNowForPeace — February 22, 2008 @ 11:01 pm
Sorry, they were dick extensions then, they are old dick extensions now. They exemplify the cowboy, frontier mentality that this country needs to graduate from, before it’s too late.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:06 pmMy son is only 5, so he’s into anything I am into, by proxy!
Comment by DieNowForPeace — February 22, 2008 @ 11:04 pm
Oh lordy, my youngest just turned 20. :)
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:12 pmComment by Lefty Patriot — February 22, 2008 @
Then let us agree to disagree.
I believe they embody the typically positive aspects of the free thinking, no limits, American entrepreneur. Wasteful, yes. Unnecessary, yes. But in general, this is the embodiment of the true, “American” spirit, which, like it or not, is what America was founded on - Freedom of expression.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:14 pmShorter Lutz: “Quit hassling me, I am counting the money!”.
The fact that the famed legendary NorthWest Passage is now TRUE belies claims that the global climate change is bogus.
Also the fact that Canada, USA, Russia and EU are arguing whose territorial waters these are…
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:15 pmComment by Zooey
B-b-but my oldest is almost 8!!!
You can’t be any older than moi. I waited awhile to have kids.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:16 pmComment by americangoy — February 22, 2008 @
“Industrialists” want their natural resources, and they want them NOW.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:17 pmComment by DieNowForPeace — February 22, 2008 @ 11:16 pm
Heh. My oldest is 25. I didn’t wait. :-)
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:18 pmYou know,
I owned one GM product, a 1998 GMC Suburban right before I had kids.
Then I realized gasoline was only going to increase exponentially in price.
Traded it in 2003, filthy as hell one day and bought a Honda Odyssey, never looked back.
16.5 mpg average in the city, well over 22 mpg on the highway.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:24 pmHmmm… you perform no experiments. You commission no studies or research. You have no degrees in any valid science. But you do have the opportunity to pay yourself millions of dollars every year. You get to pay yourself more millions in bonuses every year. You get to seemingly, single-handedly destroy what was once the world’s largest corporation and maker of automobiles. And that makes you an expert on global warming. Since you’ve proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that you are totally clueless at running GM, one can easily discern that you also are totally clueless with regards to global warming.
So, Bob, the only thing you accomplished with your assinine statement is that you redefined yourself as the epitome of a “crock of shit!”
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:51 pmI am impatiently awaiting the all electric Tesla to get into full swing production. Their roadster is way too pricey, but they’ve promised a midpriced sedan as the next generation.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:56 pmIf GM had one freakin brain cell they’d be all over that technology, licensing it and making mid size cars people could afford. Dumfuks.
Dear Bob: I guess that makes us even because I think your cars are a crock of sh*t, too. Thanks for helping to make my next car buying decision a lot easier.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:58 pmWTF? Dude, I didn’t grow up with the lifelong dream of buying a Prius. I really hope CAFE regulations don’t get in the way of my dream car. You guys can have all the hybrids and alternative fuel vehicles you want, but to me, driving doesn’t have to be a chore, it can be very pleasurable.
And as for GM’s massive loss last year, I believe it involved some unused tax write-off or something. I’ll look it up.
One more thing, stop picking on Lutz. He is pretty dead serious on getting the Chevy Volt into production in two years, and besides, he greenlit the Pontiac Solstice roadster and G8 sedan, the recently-introduced Chevy Malibu, the new Cadillac CTS… he knows his stuff.
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:04 amWTF? Dude, I didn’t grow up with the lifelong dream of buying a Prius.
Eh, sorry but, dreaming of owning a Camaro is, well, laughable? Sounds more like a nightmare to me.
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:19 amWhat a dumbass! So when I see GM products marketing hybrids and “green” technology I should just label it as a crock and move on?
Way to cut your own throat, pinhead. No wonder the American auto industry has been getting their asses handed to them.
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:23 amI dated a guy who drove a Camaro. He loved it, but it was a POS.
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:24 amComment by ferrarimanf355 — February 23, 2008 @ 12:04 am
I agree… but speed doesn’t have to be wasteful. The Audi Diesel’s that were run in Le Mans are pretty fuel efficient. The Tesla will be incredibly fun to drive… if they ever fix the transmission problems. Even the holiest of holy- Formula 1 cars have pledged to reduce emissions significantly over the next few seasons… If McLaren, Williams, Renault, and yes Ferrari can admit that Greenhouse gases are a problem then so can Lutz.
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:37 amAnd he deserves the criticism, GM has produced some real garbage recently.
I had a 74 Firebird, a Camaro without the strut.
February 23rd, 2008 at 1:06 amBut the rear windshield had a faulty weld almost all the way around. Leaked water into the trunk. Not pretty. In Washington.
WAKE UP!!! Global warming is real… with this kind of attack on reason and science, our grandchildren will pay for our mistakes.
http://www.getsomejosh.com
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:18 amThe guy’s probably just hedging his bets, perhaps auditioning for his next job.
If McCain wins in November, KLutz should be on the short list for Secretary of the Department of Energy.
BTW — I’ve owned only one GM car and then for only a few months in 1968 (a youthful indiscretion).
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:52 amHow dare someone have a different opinion then the militant left!
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:37 amAnd some wonder what happened to Detroit’s leadership . . . ?
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:14 amIf people started calling their local GM dealer to register their disbelief and outrage at GM’s myopic president they might begin to realize that people really care about the future of the planet.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:33 amThe Lutz closed mind syndrome will do a lot for getting GM where it want to go. Straight to China. In China they will neither have any obligations to their slave labor.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:35 amBut Lutz may find the going rough there when he learns that the populous is educated and affronted by his backward thinking.
Some simple logic: Global warming may be manmade, or not manmad; it may be consequential, or inconsequential.
No one knows for sure, but the evidence is piling up that global warming is both manmade and consequential.
Considering the stakes, how certain do we have to be before we begin to act? 90%? 50%? 10%?
Those who dismiss global warming out of hand–Limbaugh, Hannity, this ignorant executive–are playing Russian roulette with the future of millions, maybe billions, of people for profit and ideology. That is pure evil.
http://www.newsprism.wordpress.com
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:51 amBy the way, is it coincidence that GMC hired Sean Hannity as a spokesman???
I think I know depravity when I see it.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:53 ami heard about this the other day… thinking “whaaa???”
New Challenger fuels ‘muscle car’ memories
Limited number of high-powered coupes will hit the streets this year
Mike Ramsey, Bloomberg
Published: Tuesday, February 12, 2008
CHICAGO - Chrysler will bring back the Dodge Challenger this year, a remake of the 1970s “muscle car,” at a time when many consumers are seeking smaller, more fuel-efficient autos.
The Challenger, introduced last week at the Chicago Auto Show, is a rear-wheel-drive coupe that will vie for buyers against Ford Motor Co.’s Mustang and General Motors Corp.’s next Chevrolet Camaro, due in 2009.
[…]
http://autos.canada.com/ news/ story.html?id=963fd239-28d3-4573-b61f-047289526cf4
as long as there are boys who want their toys…
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:00 amBUMPER STICKER ALERT
our troops died for your MPG
Comment by DieNowForPeace
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:04 amMe. I’m still counting down the days until I can buy a fifth-gen Camaro. I’m sorry that a Prius doesn’t light my fire the way a V8-powered muscle car does. I think the people who want to legislate performance out of existence see driving as a chore, not a pleasure, but that’s just me.
Comment by ferrarimanf355 — February 22, 2008 @ 10:20 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHA
If you even looked into direct electric cars you would see Mr. Testosterone, that these electric cars will not only BURY your piece of crap Ferrari, they can do so without even breaking a sweat. SO bring out your stupid V8, V12, or whatever. Diret electric will kick its ass.
Go figure a stupid comment from a elitest Ferrari craver.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:07 amYou get a woody just thinking about that car, huh guy?
Tesla Roadster
http://www.teslamotors.com/
I rest my case.
http://hackedgadgets.com/ 2006/ 07/ 21/ tesla-roadster-electric-sports-car/
It is finally out, the Tesla sports car is fine looking and the specs are out of this world.
“How fast is it?
Zero to 60 mph in about 4 seconds with a top speed of over 130 mph*. But this is not the whole story. Because it has no clutch and a very wide, flat torque curve, the acceleration of the Tesla Roadster is much more available to enjoy: just step on the accelerator and go - no matter what speed you are driving, no matter what gear you are in, the acceleration is instantaneous.â€
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:09 amAttention all you dipshits,
First, read this presentation regarding GM’s product plan and fuel consumption projects for the extended-range electric vehicle (E-REV):
http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/PDF/presentation-sm.pdf
Bob Lutz is the BEST candidate to achieve the release of the E-REV platform into production. He is a no bullshit, straight shooter, and is motivated to develop this product portfolio out of his concerns about importing foreign petroleum and the pollution burning petroleum creates. Those are the only reasons one needs, so his disbelief in “global warming” is irrelevent.
The E-REV will reduce petroleum consumption 80% - that’s right, you will use only 1/5th the petroleum that you use today, based on typical driving patterns. Now, if you dipshits want to cut your own throats by pillorying the single person best qualified to get it done, then go ahead - I don’t live in Los Angeles, or any other place that suffers from SMOG, but do understand - the moment you drive Bob Lutz out of his role at GM, you can forget about the E-REV reaching the market.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:11 amOnce again, Hendler the idiot, puts his trust in a moron who cannot even understand science.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:14 amGood job dipshit.
Hey Hendler,
Fu(k you
Fu(k GM
And DEFINATELY FU(K Lutz
Take your cowardly “equivocation” of petroleum use. PFFFT 85%
Hear it now dipshit,
We WANT ZERO, READ IT ZERO EMISSION CARS.
Not 50, not 85, and not 99%
WE WANT ZERO EMISSIONS. GET WITH THE PROGRAM, DIPSHIT!
ANd who gives a fu(k about GM, now that they are buying out all of their union workers, they can go to Mexico where they will be sending the jobs anyway. They have no love or desire to HELP AMerica. No american company does. They are all whores. Get with the program DIPSHIT!
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:20 am#73, 99,
His plan achieves all our goals, so don’t get your panties in a bunch if he doesn’t genuflect at the altar of “global warming” in the church of liberalism.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:23 amYou are the one with cross dressing proclivities dipshit. Don’t project on me.
His plan is obviously stupid on its face, because it comes out of his face, and YOU support it.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:25 amTHEREFORE, it definately is stupid.
ZERO EMISSIONS Hendler.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:26 amCome one say it with me.
Even though I would rather slit your throat than hear any Bullshit out of it, say it with me dickwad…
ZERO EMISSIONS
ZERO EMISSIONS
ZERO EMISSIONS
Thank you Mr. Lutz for just being yourself. Heck run that hammer commercial again or maybe you could do one of those soft whisper type commercials where GM is helping all living things bond with carbon or you could retool.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:26 am#74, 99,
GM’s recent negotiations with the UAW has resulted in a massive hiring program of union workers at many US plants. There is no desire / benefit to continued movement of plants overseas.
GM will re-enter the small car market (recommend they build Opel designs domestically), which will add even more jobs. The E-REV configuration will then grab considerable marketshare from the Japanese, leading to yet more jobs.
You claim to be pro-American, but you are attacking one person making the turn-around of the American auto industry happen.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:27 am#77, 99,
The E-REV IS zero emissions for the first 40 miles. This is a STEP in the right direction, far better than Toyota’s dead-end approach.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:29 amSee Hendick,
Your statement here says it all.
“His plan achieves all our goals”
Your goals are NOT the same as OUR goals. Your goals are Consevative Capitalistic bullcrap. They are ANTI-ANYTHING we stand for. Just like your fatboy Rush says. So, stay on your side of the aisle until the time we can make it that there is no other side of the aisle, and then you will be banished to be lost forever.
So take your mindless, nazi, bootlicking and shove it.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:30 amToday, humanity uses about 30% more in one year than nature can regenerate in that same year. This is called “overshootâ€. An ecological overshoot of 30% means that it takes over one year and three months for the Earth to regenerate what is being used by people in one year. This overshoot accumulates over time to create a global ecological debt. 85 million barrels of oil a day that’s it and heading South. It’s a nobrainer.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:31 am99,
Current pure EV offerings are either too expensive, or insufficient in speed and/or range to be market viable. The E-REV is a dramatic step in the right direction, and after a decade in production, evolutionary advancements in its design will lead to affordable pure EV vehicles.
When you are served a steak, do you swallow it whole, or take it down one piece at a time?
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:31 amE-REV
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:32 amToo little too late.
GM’s New Mantra.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 10:29 am
That’s great- still doesn’t excuse Luntz’s idiocy or his MISmanagement of GM. American Auto Manufacturers are languishing behind Europe and Asia for two main reasons:
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:34 am1) They produce Crap cars that get Crap mileage and look like Crap…
2) Those Crap cars cost more to produce because Conservatives refuse to admit that until we nationalize health care they will never be able to compete with Europe and Asia
Hendick spews:
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:35 am“…pure EV offerings are either too expensive, or insufficient in speed and/or range to be market viable.”
Excuse, excuses, excuses.
If GM had REALLY been interested in these technologies, they would have doen something when they had the ability to corner the market.
Too little, too late.
So Hendick is saying, we have to put up with GM’s piece O’ crap Ev shit for a DECADE
“and after a decade in production, evolutionary advancements in its design will lead to affordable pure EV vehicles.”
And THEN we can see something better.
Yeah good luck with that.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:37 amToo little, too late.
I just realized Hendick said “evolutionary”
WTF????
A right wing stooge admitting to evolution???
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:39 amA human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive. 1954 Albert Einstein Have you ever read any of Albert’s stuff Mr. Lutz?
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:39 amYou claim to be pro-American, but you are attacking one person making the turn-around of the American auto industry happen.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 10:27 am
Yeah, he did a heckava job with Chrysler, didn’t he? Their dismal sales are in the last throes!
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:39 am#85, belac,
1) Some American car designs are good, some bad.
2) “If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait ’til it’s free.”
You may bury the healthcare bill in higher product costs and taxes, but the costs remain. Healthcare is expensive because trial lawyers have driven insurance rates through the roof, so that both doctors and patients have to pay more to protect themselves from frivolous lawsuits.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:39 am#90, belac,
Daimler crushed Chrysler just as its business had turned around. Chrysler was developing radical vehicles - Prowler, Cruiser, etc., that were very popular, but lost that mindset after the merger.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:42 amHey Hendler,
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:44 amBull- show me how healthcare is more expensive in Europe? I’ll be glad to show you how we have the highest healthcare costs per capita of any nation on earth- and how our life expectancy is dropping at the same time at the same time as our infant mortality rates are climbing…
I suspect that trial lawyers would not want the government involved in healthcare, as the government should be a more formidable opponent in a litigation. Perhaps trial lawyers think the US government would instead be a big fat payday for them.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:44 amDaimler PAID to make Chrysler GO AWAY… that’s how much of a burden Luntz was to them- they hardly crushed them.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:45 am#93, belac,
Canadians pour over the American border when they have a serious sickness, so don’t tell me how great socialized medicine is.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:45 am96
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:47 amHendler- bull, I live in Seattle and my cousin lives and Vancouver and I have yet to see or hear of a single Canadian “pouring” over the border- I have seen the buses of seniors going to pharmacies in Vancouver to purchase generic medicine, however.
Hendler has no idea of reality.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:50 amYou may bury the healthcare bill in higher product costs and taxes, but the costs remain. Healthcare is expensive because trial lawyers have driven insurance rates through the roof, so that both doctors and patients have to pay more to protect themselves from frivolous lawsuits.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 10:39 am
Canadians pour over the American border when they have a serious sickness, so don’t tell me how great socialized medicine is.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 10:45 am
What, Jason Hitler, are you falling behind in the number of blatant lies you are supposed to tell to get your $00.10 per post? Trial lawyers have nothing to do with health care costs, and canadians stay home for their free health care. Those are the truths, your statements are easily debunked lies, which have been disporven over and over again. Repeating lies just makes you look like the idiot, antiAmerican tool we all know you as already.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:52 amPerhaps trial lawyers think the US government would instead be a big fat payday for them.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 10:44 am
well, the arms merchants certainly dine at the pig-trough of governemnt, doesnt seem to bother you that Bush has ruined the economy in order to slaughter chilldren and families around the world.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:54 am#97, belac,
Yes, seniors were pouring over the borders a couple years ago, but then Bush pushed for and got the prescription drug benefit. Now those pharmacies north of the Canadian border are closing, because they have no more business.
Now, American drug prices didn’t change, so our tax money is paying the difference - as I stated above, “If you think health care is expensive now, wait until it is free”.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:54 am#100, Lefty,
The US successfully shot down that spy satellite on the first try, even with having to change sensors for a cold target. Our money is well spent, given that we have the best military in the world.
Also, we must arm our allies, so we export alot of weapons and defense systems, so it isn’t all tax payer money.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:57 amIf I had any GM stock, I’d dump it now. That company is doomed as long as they keep morons like Bob Lutz on the pay roll.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:58 amGeneral Motors Corp Vice Chairman Bob Lutz has defended remarks he made dismissing global warming as a “total crock of shit,”
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Way to go guys! Great job at adapting to the rapidly changing world!
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:17 amAprès nous le déluge
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:50 amGM - whose offerings include some of the largest and ugliest vehicles in production today. From SUVs to Caddys; square, boxy, ugly. No style. No imagination.
GM - the corporate failure.
Lutz IS a putz.
And Lutz is the crock of shit here. As are most Rich Old White Guys who hold positions of power or authority. Time for some new blood.
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:54 amUnless you go with wind, hydro, solar or geothermal, there is no such thing as zero emissions. A plug-in car charged by coal-fired electric generation is not zero emissions. It just moves them elsewhere.
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:55 amLet me tell you what will happen if you try to push your environmental agenda in CA:
1) Consumers will buy used internal combustion engine cars, instead of new hybrids.
2) Consumers will maintain their own cars longer, instead of buying hybrids.
3) Consumers will eventually leave CA for states that don’t force them to buy cars they can’t afford.
4) Ultimately, CA will delay the adoption of hybrid vehicles and kill their own economy.
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:58 amThe GM Exec went on to suggest that those who think that the gasoline engine produces exhaust that is in any way harmful are simply left-winged loonies who are a threat to America. “After all, free speech only goes so far. When our economy is threatened by those who would spew such lies about our country’s revered gasoline engine, we have to draw a line. These people should absolutely not be allowed a voice, and ought to be looked into by Homeland Security”, said the blinged multi-millionaire executive. He went on to say, “These people are as misguided as those who want us to believe that there is still poverty in our great nation, that New Orleans is still in need, and that people who want good paying jobs can’t get them. Socialist inspired lies. They are the nay-sayers who want you to believe that they are losing their mortgages; not because they are lazy incompetents who hate their country, but rather because they were duped into low interest mortgages.” At this point, the enraged exec seemed to run out of gas and ended his tirade as he headed toward his 100% tax differed Hummer. As he drove off, his “Bomb Iran” bumper sticker was clearly visible.
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:21 pmLet me tell you what will happen if you try to push your environmental agenda in CA:
1) Consumers will buy used internal combustion engine cars, instead of new hybrids.
2) Consumers will maintain their own cars longer, instead of buying hybrids.
3) Consumers will eventually leave CA for states that don’t force them to buy cars they can’t afford.
4) Ultimately, CA will delay the adoption of hybrid vehicles and kill their own economy.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 11:58 am
wow, jason Hitler, you sure can write some fiction.
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:42 pmhe US successfully shot down that spy satellite on the first try, even with having to change sensors for a cold target. Our money is well spent, given that we have the best military in the world.
Also, we must arm our allies, so we export alot of weapons and defense systems, so it isn’t all tax payer money.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 10:57 am
wow, you’ll even believe your lying government, even tough it lies to you every day. You’re probably the very stupidest troll here, although gg isn’t far behind. The US did not shoot down a satellite, we have a weak military that has been completely unseccessful in the Middle east, and we arm our enemies to make a few more bucks.
that’s the truth. Suck on it, traitor.
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:45 pmI’m supposed to believe a guy who can’t even manage to turn a profit building Chevys??
If one of these ceo pricks was good at anything besides golf and expense-paid trip taking, I might pause to listen. As long as they distinguish themselves only in the art of parasitism, I’ll take a pass on their pronouncements.
February 23rd, 2008 at 1:08 pm#100, Lefty,
The US successfully shot down that spy satellite on the first try, even with having to change sensors for a cold target. Our money is well spent, given that we have the best military in the world.
Also, we must arm our allies, so we export alot of weapons and defense systems, so it isn’t all tax payer money.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 10:57 am
You do realize that a LOT of the weapons we face in Iraq and Afghanistan are OUR WEAPONS right? ROTFL you’re a dumb little p**SY!
February 23rd, 2008 at 1:45 pmLet me tell you what will happen if you try to push your environmental agenda in CA:
1) Consumers will buy used internal combustion engine cars, instead of new hybrids.
2) Consumers will maintain their own cars longer, instead of buying hybrids.
3) Consumers will eventually leave CA for states that don’t force them to buy cars they can’t afford.
4) Ultimately, CA will delay the adoption of hybrid vehicles and kill their own economy.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 11:58 am
ROTFL!! The FICTION that comes out of your BRAIN DAMAGED MIND is HYSTERICAL!! Considering that hybrids are MORE AFFORDABLE (eg. CHEAPER TO OWN), your ASSUMPTIONS are not only FALSE, but you’re CONCLUSION is as TARDED as that little damaged brain of yours P**SY BOY! ;)
February 23rd, 2008 at 1:46 pmMorpheus: I know *exactly* what you mean. Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I’m talking about?
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:21 pm#114, rhf,
That’s all you got? Rabid, frothing rants?
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:31 pm#114, rhf,
That’s all you got? Rabid, frothing rants?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 2:31 pm
ROTFL!! That’s all you got? Rabid Frothing Rants, followed on by PATHETIC PROJECTIONS? ROTFL!! What a whiny little p**sy! No wonder you’re single, you little b**CH! ;)
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:42 pmHendler’s SO DUMB he doesn’t even realize that fuel efficient cars tend to be the LESS EXPENSIVE CARS, so his WHOLE THEORY IS HYSTERICALLY INSANE - just like HIM!! ROTFL!!
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:43 pmHendler’s intellectual capacity is a ‘total crock of sh*t’! ;)
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:45 pmHow are those florida home school accreditation documents I referred you to coming along? They’re just rigorous standards aren’t they? ROTFL, don’t EVER TIRE of being WRONG ON EVERY ISSUE? ROTFL!!
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:56 pmHey Hendler, while you’re predicting what will happen in California, can we talk about the 2006 election where you predicted a GOP blowout, and promised to come here and gloat the day after, only to be a little cowardly p**sy that wouldn’t show up for days? ROTFL! Hendler’s using his magical/mystical powers of seeing the future, but he’s too DUMB to look at his HISTORY OF FAILURES to realize whatever he predicts is GUARANTEED to be WRONG!! ROTFL!!
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:11 pmThe UCS showed GM how to build a more safe, fuel efficient and profitable SUV in 2003, but so far GM has REFUSED to do what’s available and technologically practical and profitable TODAY! Why? Because a bunch of old republican TARDS are flushing their company down the toilet!
http://www.ucsusa.org/ clean_vehicles/ cars_pickups_suvs/ building-a-better-suv.html
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:13 pmThat’s all you got? Rabid, frothing rants?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 2:31 pm
More entertaining than your sick, lying fantasies.
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:37 pmrhf,
Keep frothing! Toyota is scrambling, but Honda stays well positioned with their high mileage Civics, for those who can’t afford the cleaner tech.
What I love most, is that it isn’t me preventing you from doing what you want, it is market forces, politics and science. I just point out the brick wall, you insist on running head long at it, then I get the tastiest treat of standing over you, while you wonder what just hit you.
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:40 pm#121, rhf,
I was goading you all into pushing for a premature electionation of Democrats in 2006, knowing you would hurt your party’s chances of winning the presidency in 2008.
Check out your congressional approval rating:
http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:42 pmIt all ties back to a childhood memory of mine, where I rode shotgun in a neighbor’s ‘69 Camaro Super Sport. I’ve always wanted one ever since.
As for the Audi diesel and Tesla Roadster, those are way out of my price range. The Tesla Roadster is $100K, and the Audi diesel will show up in their R8 supercar, and that won’t be cheap.
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:47 pm#126, ferrarimanf355,
Here is a company that builds electric muscle cars new:
http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1407
http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1408
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:53 pmstill a trooll fest, i see…
all i know is, 30+ years ago…
whatever the auto makers are saying they want to do for the
environment was supposed to have been done 30+ years ago…
and we’d've been there for a long time by now…
30+ years ago…
so much wasted time and energy…
February 23rd, 2008 at 5:27 pmall for greed.
Hay what about those wheat prices doubled in two months. Wait don’t tell me we are growing crops for fuel now is this an example of twisted logic. Because we could make smaller cars that get say 80 MPG or switch to electric as we use geothermal, wind ,solar, nuclear and get on with some research and fast. We could still use oil for farming until we get it right and of course the use of mass transit is a good one. That’s unacceptable? To who and why? Now many people say we have only 7 or 8 years to do this is that unacceptable, why to hard. Golf, tennis anyone. Dinner party how is St. Barts this time of year
February 23rd, 2008 at 5:54 pmWe cannot avert our eyes and pretend that we do
February 23rd, 2008 at 6:03 pmnot understand the consequences of continued “business as usualâ€.
A related alternative metaphor, perhaps less objectionable while still making the most
basic point, comes to mind in connection with an image of crashing of massive ice sheets fronts
into the sea — an image of relevance to both climate tipping points and consequences (sea level
rise). Can these crashing glaciers serve as a Krystal Nacht, and wake us up to the inhumane
consequences of averting our eyes?
Alas, that metaphor probably would be greeted with the same reaction from the people
who objected to the first. That reaction may have been spurred by the clever mischaracterization
of the CEO, aiming to achieve just such a reaction. So far that seems to have been the story: the
special interests have been cleverer than us, preventing the public from seeing the crisis that
should be in view. It is hard for me to think of a different equally poignant example of the
foreseeable consequence faced by fellow creatures on the planet. Suggestions are welcome. James Hansen
#73, 99,
His plan achieves all our goals, so don’t get your panties in a bunch if he doesn’t genuflect at the altar of “global warming†in the church of liberalism.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 10:23 am
LIAR! ASSh0le!! Racist sh|thead!!!
Tell me about your “Ivy League” school you gradumanated from called Stanford!! Idiot!!
This abject moron claimed that Stanford was Ivy League!!! Hahahahahh…hahahaha…ahahaha…stupid to the core!!!! Hahahhaaha!!!
This moron claimed that Stanford is an “Ivy League” school!!!
You can’t get more stupid than Stanford U. arrogant, ignorant, grad racist JackAss M(oron) Hitler!!! The King of Racism in Melbourne, FL!!!
February 23rd, 2008 at 7:52 pmA federal appeals court yesterday threw out the Environmental Protection Agency’s approach to limiting mercury emitted from power-plant smokestacks, saying the agency ignored laws and twisted logic when it imposed new standards that were favorable to plant owners.
Twisted logic when it imposed new standards that were favorable to plant owners. I am sorry but “that’s unacceptable!†Now just for the heck of it who is right here. Because both sides can say that’s unacceptable. Then you have to ask yourself this twisted logic thing who would use that and why? Can anybody recommend a good sea food place in New York City. How about one called “Heavy metal”, I hear is all the rage. Suppose you had the President of the United States and a plant owner and James Hansen all standing together which one do you think would be more apt to use twisted logic? I know not a fair question it’s a nobrainer.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:36 pm#127,
February 24th, 2008 at 12:33 amThat looks nice, but there are two problems with it. One, it’s not a muscle car without that V8 rumble and burnouts on demand. Second, it’s a Ford. If they can put their electric car stuff in a Camaro, I’ll be interested…
rhf,
Keep frothing! Toyota is scrambling, but Honda stays well positioned with their high mileage Civics, for those who can’t afford the cleaner tech. Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
SCRAMBLING? ROTFL!!! Yeah the makers of the PRIUS are SCRAMBLIN! Wow, you’re a stupid little p**sy!
What I love most, is that it isn’t me preventing you from doing what you want, it is market forces, politics and science. I just point out the brick wall, you insist on running head long at it, then I get the tastiest treat of standing over you, while you wonder what just hit you.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
Well considering at this point the auto industry is an OLIGARCHY the FREE MARKET is kind of what IDIOTS that don’t understand CAPITALISM say to defend away why the BRICK WALL that they THROW UP TO AVOID BEING COMPETITIVE! But then again, you’ve always been a stupid little b**ch that couldn’t see what was right in front of your face! ;)
February 24th, 2008 at 1:38 am#121, rhf,
I was goading you all into pushing for a premature electionation of Democrats in 2006, knowing you would hurt your party’s chances of winning the presidency in 2008.
Check out your congressional approval rating:
http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 3:42 pm
ROTFL!!! You aren’t smart enough to wipe your own *ss clean, let alone be a STRATEGIST! And you really think LOSING AN ELECTION is a STRATEGIC VICTORY? ROTFL, what a dumb little p**sy you are! Your Panties were in SUCH A BUNCH over that election, you’re just too COWARDLY and too much of a PANSY TO ADMIT what a DUMB B**CH YOU WERE!
As for the APPROVAL, the REASON there’s such a LOW APPROVAL is directly related to REPUBLICAN BLOCKAGE! But hey, keep DREAMING for 2008, TARD!! I’m sure you’ll be a COMPLETE COWARD in November, just like last time! You’re too much of a COMPLETE P**SY to HANDLE REALITY, it’s why you and your PERSON LIFE show such a COMPLETE LOSER! If you couldn’t STEAL YOUR IDEAS from the ACTUAL ENGINEERS that work for you, you’d be a HOMELESS LUNATIC rambling about HEARING JESUS!! ROTFL!
February 24th, 2008 at 1:42 amOil slightly exceeds coal as a source of CO2 emissions today, as shown in Figure 2a. But,
February 24th, 2008 at 10:53 ambecause of the long atmospheric lifetime of past emissions, fully half of the excess CO2 in the air
today (from fossil fuels), relative to pre-industrial times, is from coal (Figure 2b). Moreover,
coal use is now increasing, while oil production has stagnated. Oil production will peak and will
be constrained by available resources earlier than will coal production.
Oil and coal uses differ fundamentally. Oil is burned primarily in small sources, in vehicles
where it is impractical to capture the CO2 emissions. Available oil reserves will be exploited
eventually, regardless of efficiency standards on vehicles, and the CO2 will be emitted to the
atmosphere. The climate effect of oil is nearly independent of how fast we burn the oil, because
much of the CO2 remains in the air for centuries. [It is nevertheless important to improve
efficiency of oil use, because that buys us time to develop technologies and fuels for the post-oil
era, and high efficiency surely will be needed in the post-oil era.] However, the point is this: oil
will not determine future climate change. Coal will.
Governments must recognize the relative magnitudes of fossil fuel resources, i.e., oil, gas, coal,
and unconventional fossil fuels, and they must establish policies that influence consumption in
ways consistent with preservation of our climate and life on Earth. James Hansen, Consumption Mr. Lutz do you have any views on that one.
In Lovelock’s view, the scale of the catastrophe that awaits us will soon become obvious. By 2020, droughts and other extreme weather will be commonplace. By 2040, the Sahara will be moving into Europe, and Berlin will be as hot as Baghdad. Atlanta will end up a kudzu jungle. Phoenix will become uninhabitable, as will parts of Beijing (desert), Miami (rising seas) and London (floods). Food shortages will drive millions of people north, raising political tensions. “The Chinese have nowhere to go but up into Siberia,” Lovelock says. “How will the Russians feel about that? I fear that war between Russia and China is probably inevitable.” With hardship and mass migrations will come epidemics, which are likely to kill millions. By 2100, Lovelock believes, the Earth’s population will be culled from today’s 6.6 billion to as few as 500 million, with most of the survivors living in the far latitudes — Canada, Iceland, Scandinavia, the Arctic Basin.
By the end of the century, according to Lovelock, global warming will cause temperate zones like North America and Europe to heat up by fourteen degrees Fahrenheit, nearly double the likeliest predictions of the latest report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the United Nations-sanctioned body that includes the world’s top scientists. “Our future,” Lovelock writes, “is like that of the passengers on a small pleasure boat sailing quietly above the Niagara Falls, not knowing that the engines are about to fail.” And switching to energy-efficient light bulbs won’t save us. To Lovelock, cutting greenhouse-gas pollution won’t make much difference at this point, and much of what passes for sustainable development is little more than a scam to profit off disaster. James Lovelock
Now just on the off chance that Lovelock and many more are right. Instead of feel good commercials and talk just maybe just maybe to look at this with reason not twisted logic and go for it. Not band-aids but what is needed.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:15 pmThe beliefe in catastrophic warming is a faith approaching religious zeal.
Global Warming as described by Gore is a scam. If we can not control the path of a level 1 disaster, how the hell do you expect to control climate?
I do not fall for this crap. I do however, feel that this is a Fear mongering appraoch at getting people to think green. Thinkg Green is fine with me. I promote it. I have used CFL’s in my house for 7 years. I recycle, and have really worked hard not to buy chinese crap that breaks two days later.
With that in mind, this Gorebull warming is a slap in the face of rational people. I do not appreciate Gores Fear Mongering.
When Gore said the water levels would raise 17 feet, and that was refuted, where was the public appology?
February 25th, 2008 at 4:40 pm