Comments on: GM exec: global warming still a ‘crock of sh*t.’ http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:42:29 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: theWankler http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/comment-page-3/#comment-4278923 theWankler Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:40:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/#comment-4278923 The beliefe in catastrophic warming is a faith approaching religious zeal. Global Warming as described by Gore is a scam. If we can not control the path of a level 1 disaster, how the hell do you expect to control climate? I do not fall for this crap. I do however, feel that this is a Fear mongering appraoch at getting people to think green. Thinkg Green is fine with me. I promote it. I have used CFL's in my house for 7 years. I recycle, and have really worked hard not to buy chinese crap that breaks two days later. With that in mind, this Gorebull warming is a slap in the face of rational people. I do not appreciate Gores Fear Mongering. When Gore said the water levels would raise 17 feet, and that was refuted, where was the public appology? The beliefe in catastrophic warming is a faith approaching religious zeal.

Global Warming as described by Gore is a scam. If we can not control the path of a level 1 disaster, how the hell do you expect to control climate?

I do not fall for this crap. I do however, feel that this is a Fear mongering appraoch at getting people to think green. Thinkg Green is fine with me. I promote it. I have used CFL’s in my house for 7 years. I recycle, and have really worked hard not to buy chinese crap that breaks two days later.

With that in mind, this Gorebull warming is a slap in the face of rational people. I do not appreciate Gores Fear Mongering.

When Gore said the water levels would raise 17 feet, and that was refuted, where was the public appology?

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/comment-page-3/#comment-4277681 Don Hawkins Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:15:11 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/#comment-4277681 In Lovelock's view, the scale of the catastrophe that awaits us will soon become obvious. By 2020, droughts and other extreme weather will be commonplace. By 2040, the Sahara will be moving into Europe, and Berlin will be as hot as Baghdad. Atlanta will end up a kudzu jungle. Phoenix will become uninhabitable, as will parts of Beijing (desert), Miami (rising seas) and London (floods). Food shortages will drive millions of people north, raising political tensions. "The Chinese have nowhere to go but up into Siberia," Lovelock says. "How will the Russians feel about that? I fear that war between Russia and China is probably inevitable." With hardship and mass migrations will come epidemics, which are likely to kill millions. By 2100, Lovelock believes, the Earth's population will be culled from today's 6.6 billion to as few as 500 million, with most of the survivors living in the far latitudes -- Canada, Iceland, Scandinavia, the Arctic Basin. By the end of the century, according to Lovelock, global warming will cause temperate zones like North America and Europe to heat up by fourteen degrees Fahrenheit, nearly double the likeliest predictions of the latest report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the United Nations-sanctioned body that includes the world's top scientists. "Our future," Lovelock writes, "is like that of the passengers on a small pleasure boat sailing quietly above the Niagara Falls, not knowing that the engines are about to fail." And switching to energy-efficient light bulbs won't save us. To Lovelock, cutting greenhouse-gas pollution won't make much difference at this point, and much of what passes for sustainable development is little more than a scam to profit off disaster. James Lovelock Now just on the off chance that Lovelock and many more are right. Instead of feel good commercials and talk just maybe just maybe to look at this with reason not twisted logic and go for it. Not band-aids but what is needed. In Lovelock’s view, the scale of the catastrophe that awaits us will soon become obvious. By 2020, droughts and other extreme weather will be commonplace. By 2040, the Sahara will be moving into Europe, and Berlin will be as hot as Baghdad. Atlanta will end up a kudzu jungle. Phoenix will become uninhabitable, as will parts of Beijing (desert), Miami (rising seas) and London (floods). Food shortages will drive millions of people north, raising political tensions. “The Chinese have nowhere to go but up into Siberia,” Lovelock says. “How will the Russians feel about that? I fear that war between Russia and China is probably inevitable.” With hardship and mass migrations will come epidemics, which are likely to kill millions. By 2100, Lovelock believes, the Earth’s population will be culled from today’s 6.6 billion to as few as 500 million, with most of the survivors living in the far latitudes — Canada, Iceland, Scandinavia, the Arctic Basin.

By the end of the century, according to Lovelock, global warming will cause temperate zones like North America and Europe to heat up by fourteen degrees Fahrenheit, nearly double the likeliest predictions of the latest report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the United Nations-sanctioned body that includes the world’s top scientists. “Our future,” Lovelock writes, “is like that of the passengers on a small pleasure boat sailing quietly above the Niagara Falls, not knowing that the engines are about to fail.” And switching to energy-efficient light bulbs won’t save us. To Lovelock, cutting greenhouse-gas pollution won’t make much difference at this point, and much of what passes for sustainable development is little more than a scam to profit off disaster. James Lovelock

Now just on the off chance that Lovelock and many more are right. Instead of feel good commercials and talk just maybe just maybe to look at this with reason not twisted logic and go for it. Not band-aids but what is needed.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/comment-page-3/#comment-4277590 Don Hawkins Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:53:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/#comment-4277590 Oil slightly exceeds coal as a source of CO2 emissions today, as shown in Figure 2a. But, because of the long atmospheric lifetime of past emissions, fully half of the excess CO2 in the air today (from fossil fuels), relative to pre-industrial times, is from coal (Figure 2b). Moreover, coal use is now increasing, while oil production has stagnated. Oil production will peak and will be constrained by available resources earlier than will coal production. Oil and coal uses differ fundamentally. Oil is burned primarily in small sources, in vehicles where it is impractical to capture the CO2 emissions. Available oil reserves will be exploited eventually, regardless of efficiency standards on vehicles, and the CO2 will be emitted to the atmosphere. The climate effect of oil is nearly independent of how fast we burn the oil, because much of the CO2 remains in the air for centuries. [It is nevertheless important to improve efficiency of oil use, because that buys us time to develop technologies and fuels for the post-oil era, and high efficiency surely will be needed in the post-oil era.] However, the point is this: oil will not determine future climate change. Coal will. Governments must recognize the relative magnitudes of fossil fuel resources, i.e., oil, gas, coal, and unconventional fossil fuels, and they must establish policies that influence consumption in ways consistent with preservation of our climate and life on Earth. James Hansen, Consumption Mr. Lutz do you have any views on that one. Oil slightly exceeds coal as a source of CO2 emissions today, as shown in Figure 2a. But,
because of the long atmospheric lifetime of past emissions, fully half of the excess CO2 in the air
today (from fossil fuels), relative to pre-industrial times, is from coal (Figure 2b). Moreover,
coal use is now increasing, while oil production has stagnated. Oil production will peak and will
be constrained by available resources earlier than will coal production.
Oil and coal uses differ fundamentally. Oil is burned primarily in small sources, in vehicles
where it is impractical to capture the CO2 emissions. Available oil reserves will be exploited
eventually, regardless of efficiency standards on vehicles, and the CO2 will be emitted to the
atmosphere. The climate effect of oil is nearly independent of how fast we burn the oil, because
much of the CO2 remains in the air for centuries. [It is nevertheless important to improve
efficiency of oil use, because that buys us time to develop technologies and fuels for the post-oil
era, and high efficiency surely will be needed in the post-oil era.] However, the point is this: oil
will not determine future climate change. Coal will.
Governments must recognize the relative magnitudes of fossil fuel resources, i.e., oil, gas, coal,
and unconventional fossil fuels, and they must establish policies that influence consumption in
ways consistent with preservation of our climate and life on Earth. James Hansen, Consumption Mr. Lutz do you have any views on that one.

]]> By: ferrarimanf355 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/comment-page-3/#comment-4277418 ferrarimanf355 Sun, 24 Feb 2008 05:33:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/#comment-4277418 #127, That looks nice, but there are two problems with it. One, it's not a muscle car without that V8 rumble and burnouts on demand. Second, it's a Ford. If they can put their electric car stuff in a Camaro, I'll be interested... #127,
That looks nice, but there are two problems with it. One, it’s not a muscle car without that V8 rumble and burnouts on demand. Second, it’s a Ford. If they can put their electric car stuff in a Camaro, I’ll be interested…

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/comment-page-3/#comment-4277326 Don Hawkins Sun, 24 Feb 2008 02:36:19 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/#comment-4277326 A federal appeals court yesterday threw out the Environmental Protection Agency's approach to limiting mercury emitted from power-plant smokestacks, saying the agency ignored laws and twisted logic when it imposed new standards that were favorable to plant owners. Twisted logic when it imposed new standards that were favorable to plant owners. I am sorry but “that’s unacceptable!” Now just for the heck of it who is right here. Because both sides can say that's unacceptable. Then you have to ask yourself this twisted logic thing who would use that and why? Can anybody recommend a good sea food place in New York City. How about one called "Heavy metal", I hear is all the rage. Suppose you had the President of the United States and a plant owner and James Hansen all standing together which one do you think would be more apt to use twisted logic? I know not a fair question it's a nobrainer. A federal appeals court yesterday threw out the Environmental Protection Agency’s approach to limiting mercury emitted from power-plant smokestacks, saying the agency ignored laws and twisted logic when it imposed new standards that were favorable to plant owners.

Twisted logic when it imposed new standards that were favorable to plant owners. I am sorry but “that’s unacceptable!” Now just for the heck of it who is right here. Because both sides can say that’s unacceptable. Then you have to ask yourself this twisted logic thing who would use that and why? Can anybody recommend a good sea food place in New York City. How about one called “Heavy metal”, I hear is all the rage. Suppose you had the President of the United States and a plant owner and James Hansen all standing together which one do you think would be more apt to use twisted logic? I know not a fair question it’s a nobrainer.

]]> By: dixie blood http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/comment-page-3/#comment-4277262 dixie blood Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:52:33 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/#comment-4277262 <em>#73, 99, His plan achieves all our goals, so don’t get your panties in a bunch if he doesn’t genuflect at the altar of “global warming” in the church of liberalism. Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 10:23 am </em> <b>LIAR! ASSh0le!! Racist sh|thead!!! Tell me about your "Ivy League" school you gradumanated from called Stanford!! Idiot!! This abject moron claimed that Stanford was Ivy League!!! Hahahahahh...hahahaha...ahahaha...stupid to the core!!!! Hahahhaaha!!! This moron claimed that Stanford is an "Ivy League" school!!! You can't get more stupid than Stanford U. arrogant, ignorant, grad racist JackAss M(oron) Hitler!!! The King of Racism in Melbourne, FL!!!</b> #73, 99,

His plan achieves all our goals, so don’t get your panties in a bunch if he doesn’t genuflect at the altar of “global warming” in the church of liberalism.

Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 10:23 am

LIAR! ASSh0le!! Racist sh|thead!!!

Tell me about your “Ivy League” school you gradumanated from called Stanford!! Idiot!!

This abject moron claimed that Stanford was Ivy League!!! Hahahahahh…hahahaha…ahahaha…stupid to the core!!!! Hahahhaaha!!!

This moron claimed that Stanford is an “Ivy League” school!!!

You can’t get more stupid than Stanford U. arrogant, ignorant, grad racist JackAss M(oron) Hitler!!! The King of Racism in Melbourne, FL!!!

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/comment-page-3/#comment-4277212 Don Hawkins Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:03:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/#comment-4277212 We cannot avert our eyes and pretend that we do not understand the consequences of continued “business as usual”. A related alternative metaphor, perhaps less objectionable while still making the most basic point, comes to mind in connection with an image of crashing of massive ice sheets fronts into the sea -- an image of relevance to both climate tipping points and consequences (sea level rise). Can these crashing glaciers serve as a Krystal Nacht, and wake us up to the inhumane consequences of averting our eyes? Alas, that metaphor probably would be greeted with the same reaction from the people who objected to the first. That reaction may have been spurred by the clever mischaracterization of the CEO, aiming to achieve just such a reaction. So far that seems to have been the story: the special interests have been cleverer than us, preventing the public from seeing the crisis that should be in view. It is hard for me to think of a different equally poignant example of the foreseeable consequence faced by fellow creatures on the planet. Suggestions are welcome. James Hansen We cannot avert our eyes and pretend that we do
not understand the consequences of continued “business as usual”.
A related alternative metaphor, perhaps less objectionable while still making the most
basic point, comes to mind in connection with an image of crashing of massive ice sheets fronts
into the sea — an image of relevance to both climate tipping points and consequences (sea level
rise). Can these crashing glaciers serve as a Krystal Nacht, and wake us up to the inhumane
consequences of averting our eyes?
Alas, that metaphor probably would be greeted with the same reaction from the people
who objected to the first. That reaction may have been spurred by the clever mischaracterization
of the CEO, aiming to achieve just such a reaction. So far that seems to have been the story: the
special interests have been cleverer than us, preventing the public from seeing the crisis that
should be in view. It is hard for me to think of a different equally poignant example of the
foreseeable consequence faced by fellow creatures on the planet. Suggestions are welcome. James Hansen

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/comment-page-3/#comment-4277204 Don Hawkins Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:54:33 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/#comment-4277204 Hay what about those wheat prices doubled in two months. Wait don't tell me we are growing crops for fuel now is this an example of twisted logic. Because we could make smaller cars that get say 80 MPG or switch to electric as we use geothermal, wind ,solar, nuclear and get on with some research and fast. We could still use oil for farming until we get it right and of course the use of mass transit is a good one. That's unacceptable? To who and why? Now many people say we have only 7 or 8 years to do this is that unacceptable, why to hard. Golf, tennis anyone. Dinner party how is St. Barts this time of year Hay what about those wheat prices doubled in two months. Wait don’t tell me we are growing crops for fuel now is this an example of twisted logic. Because we could make smaller cars that get say 80 MPG or switch to electric as we use geothermal, wind ,solar, nuclear and get on with some research and fast. We could still use oil for farming until we get it right and of course the use of mass transit is a good one. That’s unacceptable? To who and why? Now many people say we have only 7 or 8 years to do this is that unacceptable, why to hard. Golf, tennis anyone. Dinner party how is St. Barts this time of year

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/comment-page-3/#comment-4277179 katy Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:27:47 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/#comment-4277179 still a trooll fest, i see... all i know is, 30+ years ago... whatever the auto makers are saying they want to do for the environment was supposed to have been done 30+ years ago... and we'd've been there for a long time by now... 30+ years ago... so much wasted time and energy... all for greed. still a trooll fest, i see…

all i know is, 30+ years ago…
whatever the auto makers are saying they want to do for the
environment was supposed to have been done 30+ years ago…

and we’d've been there for a long time by now…

30+ years ago…

so much wasted time and energy…
all for greed.

]]> By: Jason M. Hendler http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/comment-page-3/#comment-4277115 Jason M. Hendler Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:53:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/#comment-4277115 #126, ferrarimanf355, Here is a company that builds electric muscle cars new: http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1407 http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1408 #126, ferrarimanf355,

Here is a company that builds electric muscle cars new:

http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1407

http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1408

]]> By: ferrarimanf355 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/comment-page-3/#comment-4277111 ferrarimanf355 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:47:25 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/#comment-4277111 <blockquote>WTF? Dude, I didn’t grow up with the lifelong dream of buying a Prius. Eh, sorry but, dreaming of owning a Camaro is, well, laughable? Sounds more like a nightmare to me.</blockquote> It all ties back to a childhood memory of mine, where I rode shotgun in a neighbor's '69 Camaro Super Sport. I've always wanted one ever since. As for the Audi diesel and Tesla Roadster, those are way out of my price range. The Tesla Roadster is $100K, and the Audi diesel will show up in their R8 supercar, and that won't be cheap.

WTF? Dude, I didn’t grow up with the lifelong dream of buying a Prius.

Eh, sorry but, dreaming of owning a Camaro is, well, laughable? Sounds more like a nightmare to me.

It all ties back to a childhood memory of mine, where I rode shotgun in a neighbor’s ‘69 Camaro Super Sport. I’ve always wanted one ever since.

As for the Audi diesel and Tesla Roadster, those are way out of my price range. The Tesla Roadster is $100K, and the Audi diesel will show up in their R8 supercar, and that won’t be cheap.

]]> By: Jason M. Hendler http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/comment-page-3/#comment-4277107 Jason M. Hendler Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:42:55 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/#comment-4277107 #121, rhf, I was goading you all into pushing for a premature electionation of Democrats in 2006, knowing you would hurt your party's chances of winning the presidency in 2008. Check out your congressional approval rating: http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm #121, rhf,

I was goading you all into pushing for a premature electionation of Democrats in 2006, knowing you would hurt your party’s chances of winning the presidency in 2008.

Check out your congressional approval rating:

http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm

]]> By: Jason M. Hendler http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/comment-page-3/#comment-4277105 Jason M. Hendler Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:40:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/#comment-4277105 rhf, Keep frothing! Toyota is scrambling, but Honda stays well positioned with their high mileage Civics, for those who can't afford the cleaner tech. What I love most, is that it isn't me preventing you from doing what you want, it is market forces, politics and science. I just point out the brick wall, you insist on running head long at it, then I get the tastiest treat of standing over you, while you wonder what just hit you. rhf,

Keep frothing! Toyota is scrambling, but Honda stays well positioned with their high mileage Civics, for those who can’t afford the cleaner tech.

What I love most, is that it isn’t me preventing you from doing what you want, it is market forces, politics and science. I just point out the brick wall, you insist on running head long at it, then I get the tastiest treat of standing over you, while you wonder what just hit you.

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/comment-page-3/#comment-4277102 Lefty Patriot Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:37:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/#comment-4277102 That’s all you got? Rabid, frothing rants? Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 2:31 pm More entertaining than your sick, lying fantasies. That’s all you got? Rabid, frothing rants?

Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 2:31 pm

More entertaining than your sick, lying fantasies.

]]> By: Jason M. Hendler http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/comment-page-3/#comment-4277044 Jason M. Hendler Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:31:37 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/#comment-4277044 #114, rhf, That's all you got? Rabid, frothing rants? #114, rhf,

That’s all you got? Rabid, frothing rants?

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/comment-page-3/#comment-4277038 Don Hawkins Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:21:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/#comment-4277038 Morpheus: I know *exactly* what you mean. Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I’m talking about? Morpheus: I know *exactly* what you mean. Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I’m talking about?

]]> By: tombaker http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/comment-page-3/#comment-4276976 tombaker Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:08:32 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/#comment-4276976 I'm supposed to believe a guy who can't even manage to turn a profit building Chevys?? If one of these ceo pricks was good at anything besides golf and expense-paid trip taking, I might pause to listen. As long as they distinguish themselves only in the art of parasitism, I'll take a pass on their pronouncements. I’m supposed to believe a guy who can’t even manage to turn a profit building Chevys??

If one of these ceo pricks was good at anything besides golf and expense-paid trip taking, I might pause to listen. As long as they distinguish themselves only in the art of parasitism, I’ll take a pass on their pronouncements.

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/comment-page-3/#comment-4276952 Lefty Patriot Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:45:03 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/#comment-4276952 he US successfully shot down that spy satellite on the first try, even with having to change sensors for a cold target. Our money is well spent, given that we have the best military in the world. Also, we must arm our allies, so we export alot of weapons and defense systems, so it isn’t all tax payer money. Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 10:57 am wow, you'll even believe your lying government, even tough it lies to you every day. You're probably the very stupidest troll here, although gg isn't far behind. The US did not shoot down a satellite, we have a weak military that has been completely unseccessful in the Middle east, and we arm our enemies to make a few more bucks. that's the truth. Suck on it, traitor. he US successfully shot down that spy satellite on the first try, even with having to change sensors for a cold target. Our money is well spent, given that we have the best military in the world.

Also, we must arm our allies, so we export alot of weapons and defense systems, so it isn’t all tax payer money.

Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 10:57 am

wow, you’ll even believe your lying government, even tough it lies to you every day. You’re probably the very stupidest troll here, although gg isn’t far behind. The US did not shoot down a satellite, we have a weak military that has been completely unseccessful in the Middle east, and we arm our enemies to make a few more bucks.

that’s the truth. Suck on it, traitor.

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/comment-page-3/#comment-4276950 Lefty Patriot Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:42:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/#comment-4276950 Let me tell you what will happen if you try to push your environmental agenda in CA: 1) Consumers will buy used internal combustion engine cars, instead of new hybrids. 2) Consumers will maintain their own cars longer, instead of buying hybrids. 3) Consumers will eventually leave CA for states that don’t force them to buy cars they can’t afford. 4) Ultimately, CA will delay the adoption of hybrid vehicles and kill their own economy. Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 11:58 am wow, jason Hitler, you sure can write some fiction. Let me tell you what will happen if you try to push your environmental agenda in CA:

1) Consumers will buy used internal combustion engine cars, instead of new hybrids.

2) Consumers will maintain their own cars longer, instead of buying hybrids.

3) Consumers will eventually leave CA for states that don’t force them to buy cars they can’t afford.

4) Ultimately, CA will delay the adoption of hybrid vehicles and kill their own economy.

Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 23, 2008 @ 11:58 am

wow, jason Hitler, you sure can write some fiction.

]]> By: Quizmos http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/comment-page-3/#comment-4276921 Quizmos Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:21:05 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/22/gm-exec-global-warming-still-a-crock-of-sht/#comment-4276921 The GM Exec went on to suggest that those who think that the gasoline engine produces exhaust that is in any way harmful are simply left-winged loonies who are a threat to America. "After all, free speech only goes so far. When our economy is threatened by those who would spew such lies about our country's revered gasoline engine, we have to draw a line. These people should absolutely not be allowed a voice, and ought to be looked into by Homeland Security", said the blinged multi-millionaire executive. He went on to say, "These people are as misguided as those who want us to believe that there is still poverty in our great nation, that New Orleans is still in need, and that people who want good paying jobs can't get them. Socialist inspired lies. They are the nay-sayers who want you to believe that they are losing their mortgages; not because they are lazy incompetents who hate their country, but rather because they were duped into low interest mortgages." At this point, the enraged exec seemed to run out of gas and ended his tirade as he headed toward his 100% tax differed Hummer. As he drove off, his "Bomb Iran" bumper sticker was clearly visible. The GM Exec went on to suggest that those who think that the gasoline engine produces exhaust that is in any way harmful are simply left-winged loonies who are a threat to America. “After all, free speech only goes so far. When our economy is threatened by those who would spew such lies about our country’s revered gasoline engine, we have to draw a line. These people should absolutely not be allowed a voice, and ought to be looked into by Homeland Security”, said the blinged multi-millionaire executive. He went on to say, “These people are as misguided as those who want us to believe that there is still poverty in our great nation, that New Orleans is still in need, and that people who want good paying jobs can’t get them. Socialist inspired lies. They are the nay-sayers who want you to believe that they are losing their mortgages; not because they are lazy incompetents who hate their country, but rather because they were duped into low interest mortgages.” At this point, the enraged exec seemed to run out of gas and ended his tirade as he headed toward his 100% tax differed Hummer. As he drove off, his “Bomb Iran” bumper sticker was clearly visible.

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