Uber-Lobbyist Who Serves As McCain’s Chief Political Adviser Considers McCain His ‘Client’
Uber-Lobbyist Who Serves As McCain’s Chief Political Adviser Considers McCain His ‘Client’
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) is fond of presenting himself as a true enemy of Washington, D.C’s lobbying culture, claiming that he’s “the only one the special interests don’t give any money to.” But as the Washington Post noted yesterday, McCain’s political organization is actually built on the backs of lobbyists who play a central role in his quest for higher office.
Charlie Black, who serves as McCain’s chief political adviser, “is chairman of one of Washington’s lobbying powerhouses, BKSH and Associates, which has represented AT&T, Alcoa, JPMorgan and U.S. Airways.” Though he is currently playing a prominent role in the McCain campaign, Black “is still being paid by his firm.”
On Friday, Black told the National Journal that he doesn’t think his continued lobbying is a problem for the anti-lobbying image of his “client,” John McCain:
Well, it’s perfectly fine as long as I am able to make the distinction between giving advice to McCain and representing clients. It’s the same principle as when you have multiple clients and you handle them all differently. You don’t talk to one client about what you do for the other. In my volunteer role with McCain, I consider him a client.
Some of Black’s other clients currently “have interests before the Senate and, in particular, the Commerce Committee, of which” his “client,” John McCain is a member. As TPM’s Greg Sargent noted yesterday, Black “does a lot of his work by telephone from McCain’s Straight Talk Express bus.”
It’s hard to imagine that Black’s seat on the bus has been bad for business. Firedoglake has more on his lobbying history here.
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So McCain is the ‘client’ of a ‘lobbyist’ and is not beholden to the ‘lobbyist’ who is his main campaign strategist?
What the HELL?
February 23rd, 2008 at 7:46 pmObama promotes voter fraud
That’s right … virtually no one.But we’re finding that up to 20 percent of Obama supporters are registered Republicans.
Obama promotes voter fraud
February 23rd, 2008 at 7:54 pmComment by ccokz — February 23, 2008 @ 7:54 pm
Much as it pains me to say it… Republicans get to vote, too. I’d hardly call this voter fraud. If Republicans really want to vote for Obama, so be it- it’s there funeral. Frankly, this is why we have Superdelegates- so that the primary can’t be hijacked and I trust the superdelegates to do the right thing in most cases, but it doesn’t really matter to me whether it’s Hillary or Obama in Novemeber as long as they beat this doofus… and his words, actions, deeds, etc. make that more and more likely everyday!
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:01 pmtheir funeral- not that THERE funeral, of course
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:02 pmComment by Gin — February 23, 2008 @ 8:10 pm
You fools really don’t get it do you? Nobody is listening anymore, you don’t scare us, you don’t scare anyone but yourselves.
The party of personal irresponsibility is over- 60+ votes in the Senate and Clinton or Obama can do whatever they need to in order to fix the mess you and your cronies are leaving to our grandchildren. And you DO deserve to suffer for your crimes but a rising tide floats all boats and most of you Gin Soaked Armchair Diplomats are going to benefit as well… so in advance we say, your welcome- but you don’t get Congress back for at least 50 years- you proved you can’t handle it.
Rove stabbed you in the back while he was picking your pocket.
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:21 pmtheir funeral- not that THERE funeral, of course
Comment by belac
I thought you were doing an impressionof Tarzan doing political commentary on Macain’s presidential campaign…
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:31 pmGin is drunk again. He thinks his dick is a straw and he keeps sipping on it.
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:33 pm“…all within 24 business hours of taking office you’ll be calling for her impeachment too.”
It was you fools who put the clock on it. If things are moving the right way, then all will be good. If no progress on topics of concern (Reason w are pissed with Reid and Pelosi) then we get to shake things up. Its called democracy.
Roveian gambit was when he said:
“I get to see things that others don’t see” right before the 06 elections.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Rove will be selling siding by 2010.
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:34 pmComment by Gin — February 23, 2008 @ 8:10 pm
Anybody here understand Idiotese?
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:39 pmWho’s a bigger imbecile than a McCain voter?
A Huckabee voter…
(bush voter was moot)
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:49 pm“Anybody here understand Idiotese?”
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 23, 2008 @ 8:39 pm
Yes I speak it fluently… What it’s saying is Ignore me I’m an idiot and so are all of the others in the shrinking GOP we deserve your scorn and because we have screwed it all up we should never be entrusted to run anything again, save maybe a lemonade stand, but then again we couldn’t be trusted with the rvenue so it would be best if you just locked us all up and threw away the key.
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:49 pmoops. translation got transposed… should’ve read, “revenue” not “rvenue”
;)
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:51 pmWow… that’s impressive, RadicalRight.
And you’ve got the accent down perfect.
Do you speak any other foreign languages… Gibberish? Crapola? Republican?
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:53 pmYou fools really don’t get it do you. Nobody wants McCain, he is nothing more than this years Bob Dole.
When Mrs. Bill Clinton doesn’t end the war, fix the economy, give you all free health care, turn Bushco over to the Hague for war crimes, end “Global Warmingâ€, institute “gay marriageâ€, ban all guns and whatever else you have been chattering about, all within 24 business hours of taking office you’ll be calling for her impeachment too. You turned on Pelosi and Reid in record time.
It’s all the perfect Roveian trick.
now ur paradox insinuation that we manipulate is wrong. We just defend ourselves against gliding off into misery.
from my answer to some guy on openleft
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:54 pmNow, first up u join a party for intentions. A party should represent u. Because the current social circumstances u r living in demand u to make such a choice. Workless, homeless, no health insurance. Thats a proper reason to vote democratic I guess. Because u want your voice be heard among all other. We call this symptom democracy and thus it prevents revolution. Now, due to the social character of the democratic party, it is surely desirable to keep the character of the party up. there I oppose infringement and dienfranchisment of the defenseless thru hordes of Republicans who sabotage democratic primaries.
out of the mydd text:Obama flyer calls for Nevada Republicans to gatecrash Democratic primary, rather than let Hillary win, CorrenteWire.com, January 14, 2008.
oops. translation got transposed…
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Not that an idiot would notice, or understand… or care…
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:54 pmHey! Tha Maverick is NOT “beholden” ta special interests.
They flat out OWN his phony *ss, lock, stock and barrel.
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:58 pmComment by ccokz — February 23, 2008 @ 8:54 pm
Stop it, I’m get it already… but it is stupid to make a fuss about Republicans voting for Obama over McCain…
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:06 pmFirst of all, I doubt it’s a serious issue… I would imagine the actual numbers are awful small, but even if they were large, how do you propose to separate the votes of those who used to be Republican who are voting for Obama from those that are merely voting against Hillary? Some of them might be genuine converts and you alienate an awful lot of people when you start to say things like, “The way to solve the problem of voter disenfranchisement is to bar people from voting.”
That’s just silly and also straight out of the Republican’s play book…
we’re better than that.
Comment by ccokz — February 23, 2008 @ 8:54 pm
And your point is?… Clearly, please, try and say it clearly.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:07 pmComment by ccokz — February 23, 2008 @ 8:54 pm
And your point is?… Clearly, please, try and say it clearly.
Clearity. A manipulated vote will inch us again to more darkness
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:11 pmTwo great corporatists going down to defeat, one after the other. First Billary, and then in November McBush.
Joe Trippi said Wednesday that Hillary Clinton has assembled the best “top-down†campaign – defined by big money and party insiders — in history, and that she and her husband are the best top-down campaigners the Democratic party has ever seen.
“Running it all top down is the biggest campaign blunder I’ve ever seen,â€
And then there is this gem from Rosenberg:
“John McCain is the single worst candidate they could put up in 2008. It’s fitting that John McCain is playing ‘Johnny B. Goode’ as his theme song. It fits in with this black-and-white party of the 1950s that he’s a part of.â€
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:13 pmSimon Rosenberg
I dont know what Gin is on about, some double double reverse psychology about another of Roves endless compassionate tricks to dupe the gullible.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:17 pmCooksz are you saying that Republicans are voting in the primary for Obama and will swith in the election?
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:19 pmClearity? What’s “Clearity”?
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:19 pmIt’s embarrassing that TP has to post this under “Corrupt Establishment.” Where’s the corruption? Is it corrupt for Barack Obama to pay lobbyists to be part of his campaign? Is it corrupt for Hillary Clinton’s chief strategist, Mark Penn, to remain the head of Burson-Marsteller, which does PR and lobbying work? It’s been well documented how this could pose serious concerns. I’m looking forward to Think Progress addressing these issues.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:21 pmClearity. A manipulated vote will inch us again to more darkness
Comment by ccokz — February 23, 2008 @ 9:11 pm
CUT!!! Take 3.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:24 pmOK, this time try it CLEARLY! Not clearity… what ever that means. Concentrate here. OK, ROLL IT!
Cooksz are you saying that Republicans are voting in the primary for Obama and will swith in the election?
I dont know. That would be my understanding. Obama has this weak point on drugs, clearly not seen too much up too now cause its the dem primary. But what happens afterwards? And we still got this Obama - Oussama syndrome. I mean I dont want to eat Obama. Despite his lousy tricks, if he really makes a sobber campaign on issues, Ill support him. But it wont get down to issues. Bush has to many dark spots and he wont let it happen to get some some proper discussion. So hell look for the weak spots with Obama. And there are some. I mean to all the fellows who support Obama right now - despite the reg reps of cuz - u have to be prepared to stand this thru till election day. This wont be a free ride.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:25 pmDo you speak any other foreign languages… Gibberish? Crapola? Republican?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 23, 2008 @ 8:53 pm
That is a masterpiece. :-D
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:26 pmEvery time I see ‘billary’ I wonder what is the poster saying. Is Hillary just an empty suit run by Bill, or was it the other way around in the 1990s.
As I told a friend, the discourse is poisoned by terms like ‘Osama Obama’ and ‘Billary’ and ‘Slick Willy’. It’s equally poisoned by ‘Shrub’, ‘McInsane’ (though I do agree with the sentament), and ‘Huckster’. Our political discourse has been devolved to the point of an elementary schoolyard name-calling contest, and though the Republicans DID start it….well, you know what they say.
As for ccokz’s statement about republicans voting for Obama: If the primaries are open, then anyone can vote in them.
I suspect you are a Hillary supporter who wants to stir up $#!+ over Obama’s apparent momentum over Hillary, that or you’re a right-wing troll trying to stir up $#!+ period. If it’s the former, then stop attacking agreed-upon voting practices and convince the remaining primary states your candidate is better. If it’s the latter? Get bent.
But to the rest of TP, keep in mind that unless you like Barrack Obama called by his middle name or having his last name mangled into a villian’s last name, don’t give in to calling Hillary by a mangled combination of her first name and her husband’s name. While you’re at it, think about if your point can be made by refering to the fool in the top office of this land by his last name of record, Bush.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:27 pmExcellent point, Jeremy in Denver.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:32 pmAs for ccokz’s statement about republicans voting for Obama: If the primaries are open, then anyone can vote in them.
I suspect you are a Hillary supporter who wants to stir up $#!+ over Obama’s apparent momentum over Hillary, that or you’re a right-wing troll trying to stir up $#!+ period. If it’s the former, then stop attacking agreed-upon voting practices and convince the remaining primary states your candidate is better. If it’s the latter? Get bent.
OK, I first up I dont want to insult anybody here despite gin perhaps. Secondly, if u got issues and u got momentum thus, thats fine again. Thirdly, if Obama thinks he can stir some propaganda vs. Hillary now without paying for it later thats difficult. Thers Limbaugh, O’Reilly and there was some Lewinsky scandal. Im no moralist. But why get bent?
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:33 pmComment by ccokz — February 23, 2008 @ 9:25 pm
Well, I am wondering how many voters have tired of the Republicans, and how many black, hispanic and white Republicans may now back Obama. I guess we will have to wait and see.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:36 pmExcellent point, Jeremy in Denver.
from merriam:
1: changed by bending out of an originally straight or even condition
ok as far as I get it your point is that you got some momentum now and Im pretty ugly for ruining your show.
Now first up Obama is pretty eager to ruin Hillarys show. Go yahoo and read this NAFTA remark by Obama.
“You can’t be for something and take credit for an administration … and then when you run for president say that you didn’t really mean what you said way back then. It doesn’t work like that,” he said to cheers at a rally in Akron.
Thats not very nice.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:44 pmComment by Jeremy in Denver — February 23, 2008 @ 9:27
Your thought makes sense if name calling is the point. You assume that it is so in my post, although you did not address me directly. Your assumption, if I am correct, is wrong.
My point?
A picture is worth a thousand words, and the picture the names I used presents, shows these candidates better than any scholarly lecture using all the politically correct words. This is not name calling in and for itself. It is, in my personal view, what these people represent. It is a political (or editorial) cartoon in words.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:50 pmComment by ccokz — February 23, 2008 @ 9:44 pm
You know, I usually understand your comments, but you’ve lost me on this thread.
First, why can’t a Republican vote for Obama?
Second, what word are you giving the definition for?
Third, if you’re worried about politicians being “nice” in election season, why are you so hot on Hillary?
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:51 pmFrom Matthew Iglesias:
http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/ archives/ 2008/ 02/ the_reup_1.php
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:52 pmI think the NAFTA mailing that comes in for secondary discussion in this article is harsh but well within the bounds of basic politics. The health care flier is, however, pretty seriously dishonest as other Obama fans have noted in earlier incarnations. It’s simply not the case that Hillary Clinton’s health care plan would force people to buy insurance irrespective of ability to pay. What’s more, Clinton and Obama have essentially identical measures in their plans to increase the affordability of insurance.
So where the truth? Get bend? for what? Lukewarm for lukewarm truths about Hillary Clinton? I guess O’Reilly can also be very entertaining from your point of view.
You know, I usually understand your comments, but you’ve lost me on this thread.
First, why can’t a Republican vote for Obama?
Second, what word are you giving the definition for?
Third, if you’re worried about politicians being “nice†in election season, why are you so hot on Hillary?
(1) In the final election? Sure they can. But will they?
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:54 pm(2) Get bend
(3) habbits.
Comment by ccokz — February 23, 2008 @ 9:54 pm
1. If a state has an open primary, people can vote for whomever they want.
2. What is “get bend?”
3. No idea what that means.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:57 pmComment by ccokz — February 23, 2008 @ 9:54 pm
1. If a state has an open primary, people can vote for whomever they want.
2. What is “get bend?â€
3. No idea what that means.
Ok because youre insisting on calling me trivial Ill correct this again:
(1) It is of course not heinous to have everyone voting in a party primary.
(2)it is “get bent.” (d sounds softer u know)
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:03 pm(3) That means Im used to the idea of having Clintons attacked by guys who regard themselves as complex. Living in a zoo has surely advantages.
I think ccokz may have a point, as we know the base is like a school of fish. I wouldnt put it past them voting for Obama in the primary so McCain wont have to go up against Hillary.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:04 pmWell, Xisithrus, the local talking heads in Wisconsin were trying to convince Republicans to vote for Hillary because she is the easier target.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:06 pmComment by ccokz — February 23, 2008 @ 10:03 pm
I was not calling you trivial, I simply didn’t understand what you were trying to say.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:06 pmI predict that the spotlight of being the republican nominee will expose mccain to be nearly the complete dolt, nasty, insidious, lying, vacuous, empath-less, sadistic person that bush is. mccain is all mccain all the time - a true republican.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:11 pm.
Comment by ccokz — February 23, 2008 @ 9:54 pm
Ccokz sounds like a language mimicking program developed by Coca-Cola to confuse and confound posters…
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:11 pmi’ll say it again-
You don’t prevent disenfranchisement by preventing people you don’t like from voting- that’s called DISENFRANCHISEMENT.
Hillary is doing fine, despite the media’s obsession with a “winner” Democrats apportion delegates proportionately… it’s still tied- Obama has momentum but we won’t know who’s won the nomination until they’ve won it. They call it winning the nomination so that you’ll know that they are the “Winner.”
The media wants a horse race, rest assured that as soon as the Dems. decide who the nominee will be the media will back McCain again- It’s no fun to watch a blowout on tv…
ccokz:
I am the last person here who should be pointing out typos, but it seems to me that part of the problem here tonight is your hybrid-IM grammar and spelling. If you’re doing that on purpose, you might want to keep in mind that you are not just typing on a keyboard, you’re trying to communicate with your audience. When folks tell you, repeatedly they don’t understand what you’re saying, it might be that you’re quasiundecipherable. (how’s that for a crappy word?)
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:17 pmI’m looking forward to Think Progress addressing these issues.
Comment by thirdparty — February 23, 2008 @ 9:21 pm
the republicans represent the party of corruption. when they are sent packing, then we will tend to the next crew. in the meantime, enjoy the destruction of McStain and the GOP.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:20 pmI dont want to eat Obama. Despite his lousy tricks, if he really makes a sobber campaign on issues, Ill support him.
English lessons are for sale at your local community college.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:20 pmWell, Xisithrus, the local talking heads in Wisconsin were trying to convince Republicans to vote for Hillary because she is the easier target.
Comment by Sabyen91
As did Limbaugh and Coulter.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:21 pmCcokz sounds like a language mimicking program developed by Coca-Cola to confuse and confound posters…
i’ll say it again-
You don’t prevent disenfranchisement by preventing people you don’t like from voting- that’s called DISENFRANCHISEMENT.
Now first up youu accuse me of some exaggerated mass appeal or populism by comparing me to Coaca Cola and then u fxxx my ass with populsim itself. Well its of course not forbidden to have everyone influence a party vote. A party has certain aims defined in its program and the party fights for it. Im totally convinced by the idea that a party should be able to modify itself. And I guess this is the aim of your remark. But, you accuse me of modification in the first sentence by not serving fundamental democracy. Now its not fundamental democracy to have fliers criticizing Clintons stance on NAFTA.
The democratic party is surely some guard when it comes to democracy. And it shouldnt be swirled down by some hypocrites who suddenly think it could pay to call Nevada Repugs to gatecrash a democratic vote. Ur meager attempts in short-circuiting my statements are displaced. U accuse me of ill-definition but Hillary makes you pay for health care though u cant afford so much?
I think my interst is not to modify proper intentions among democrats. Hillary worked long on health care. You tear it down. Thats your stunt. But dont poop me on ill-definition. Thats hardly democratic.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:23 pmBut seriously, if lots of Republicans are crossing over and voting for Obama in the primaries, I sure didn’t see any sign of that at our precinct caucus Feb 9. I knew almost everyone there. Hmm..
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:24 pmThere’s lots of reasons to prefer Hillary over McCain. If she’s the nominee, I’ll certainly vote for her.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:25 pmBut her refusal to admit that her vote for the Iraq war was a mistake, in my judgement, is a fatal one.
We don’t need more presidents who can’t admit they make mistakes.
Ok hillary was the WIFE of the president. She worked on health care. And now u godda ram it. Explanation: not good enough. Billys sycophant is his own wife.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:31 pmBut, in fact, wheres your real ammunition despite tearing it down? Where was Obama during 8 years of Clinton and 6 years of Bush?
Mr. Black “blackens” McCrazy’s hopes of ever being president in this lifetime.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:33 pmEven in Wisconsin, after the Republican race was wrapped up only about 8% of Republicans voted in the Dem primary. That is 8% of about 400,000 so about 36,000 voters. 70% voted for Obama and 30% for Hillary. So, about 25,000 Republicans voted for Obama. Let’s say every single one of them were voting for him to swing the vote rather than actually liking him (a rather far-fetched notion). That is 2.5% of all voters who voted for Obama. So, take away those 25,000 voters (and leave Hillary’s Republicans alone) it would only be a a 15% win for Obama. Even with all of those anti-Obama variables he still rolled Clinton. So, just stop with the VRWC playing a part in the primaries.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:34 pmccokz: Keeping blood off his hands, that’s where.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:34 pmThat is a masterpiece. :-D
Comment by Zooey — February 23, 2008 @ 9:26 pm
Thank youuu… thank you verrrry much!
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:35 pmccokz: Keeping blood off his hands, that’s where
Im so thankful for that perspective. Dopes better than blood anyway I guess.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:35 pmWhen McTorture gets 50% of any vote, we have to remember that it’s 50% of the waning 26% of Registered Repukes at this point which means about 13% of the voters. Now when Hillary or Barack get 50% of the votes, it’s significant - In terms of numbers, the Unaffiliated voters rank second to the democrats at this point and have eclipsed the GOP in this two party system.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:38 pmThe democratic party is surely some guard when it comes to democracy. Comment by ccokz — February 23, 2008 @ 10:23 pm
See my first comment #3 re: Super-delegates
we solved this problem 20+ years ago, that’s why Gore is telling all the Super-delegates who aren’t yet pledged to sit tight and wait for the convention to pledge themselves to a candidate… plus, it has nothing to do with your supposed populism and lots to do with your screen name and incoherence…
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:38 pmccokz: Dope as in referring to yourself? I heard you weren’t a “dope” but were a “rope a dope”.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:39 pmbelac: Nice slapdown to the cokefiend troll.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:39 pm#57 should know with his record, huh?
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:40 pmincoherence…
Now, theres a diffrence between cosy and warm. I like the democratic party because Im not nazi-brainwashed by bushit propaganda for dirty wars. Automatically, Im totally coherent this. I didnt make a failure. You make failures in judging me this way.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:41 pmMr. Narco ccokz!
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:41 pmWell said sabyen, I think thats what ccokz was trying to say. I think its a little far fetched that they would swap way to swing the vote, but the Republicans do listen to their dear pundits as if they are some kind of political genius’s. I read a transcript on Rushs site and he had one of his callers saying that he thought Rush really, really was the guy running America.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:41 pmDopes better than blood anyway I guess.
Comment by ccokz — February 23, 2008 @ 10:35 pm
WTF? You are spiraling out of control… a drug reference in a one sentence post about Obama- how very Republican of you…
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:42 pmThere’s a difference between being illiterate and having a room temperature IQ, too, ccokz! BTW, AH, cosy is spelled with a “z” dip*hit.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:42 pmincoherence…
Now, theres a diffrence between cosy and warm. I like the democratic party because Im not nazi-brainwashed by bushit propaganda for dirty wars. Automatically, Im totally coherent thus. I didnt make a failure. You make failures in judging me this way.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:43 pm(sry typo)
belac: I don’t think the troll was speaking about Obama. He’s referring to the Bush narcotics trade (hastert’s scandal) with the Turks.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:43 pmIf Coulter and Limbaugh said to vote democratic the Animal Farm would do it. Two Legs Good Four Legs Better!!!
Now Limbaugh and pundits will back McCain, and the Animal Farm will say Hillary two Good, McCain four Better!!
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:44 pm(ffferry goohd EEEngghlishh, thank u all)
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:44 pmWhutz wring wid spellin fony? I dew eet ah da tahm!
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:46 pmAutomatically, Im totally coherent this. I didnt make a failure. You make failures in judging me this way.
Comment by ccokz — February 23, 2008 @ 10:41 pm
Sincere was once my desire to understand you- reassure you also, not fear! Demo- big brains solve problem long time past. Failure was mine- admit now I. No prior knowledge of you, post/else-wise. I am totally sorry this. Automatically, regenerate answer- now on I ignore like troll.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:47 pmComment by satirev — February 23, 2008 @ 10:43 pm
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:48 pmIt’s so hard to tell what it’s saying, I’m just tuning it out from now on…
No doubt about it they try to influence votes. They just aren’t good at it unless they are suppressing voters, rather than encouraging voters. They can’t even figure out who is the weak candidate. The right wing are nothing but chickens with their heads cut off at this point. Nice of Hillary to smear the obvious winner and making their jobs easier.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:49 pmnow on I ignore like troll.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:51 pmproceeding to trench for the illumintion abbraxos like the xenomorphic athmospheric bits of clouds thru the lsd trip Im skyrocketing to new shperes like total equilibrium in outer space
http://edition.cnn.com/ 2008/ POLITICS/ 02/ 23/ clinton.mailings/ index.html
ah that’s tactical. Im finally getting why I type an i instead of an u.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:57 pmI’m giving up on ccokz. If he doesn’t care enough to make himself understood with proper words and English, then he must not care all that much about his message.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:57 pmThe point is to keep the pressure on McCain- I believe that all this stuff is opposition research from Rove’s files that they dumped on Friday hoping it would be old news by November… we can’t let that happen, we must win and win with a margin large enough in the Senate to prevent the filibuster.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:59 pmThe Media will be building McCain up as soon as the Dem’s pick a nominee. The “horserace” is fun for television but bad for America…
Cocaine is a hell of a drug, Zoo.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:59 pmI’m giving up on ccokz. If he doesn’t care enough to make himself understood with proper words and English, then he must not care all that much about his message.
smart
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:00 pm(you are a killer to me)
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:04 pmat one point, I thought ccokz was sincere and just not expressing itself very well- now I believe that there is more at work… I have no favorites in the Democratic primary anymore, the important thing is to keep the pressure on the Republicans, demoralize the republicans, and stay on message- republicans are bad for America- that’s the message… the nominee is just the messenger and I could care less which one we get at this point.
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:04 pmat one point, I thought ccokz was sincere and just not expressing itself very well- now I believe that there is more at work… I have no favorites in the Democratic primary anymore, the important thing is to keep the pressure on the Republicans, demoralize the republicans, and stay on message- republicans are bad for America- that’s the message… the nominee is just the messenger and I could care less which one we get at this point.
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:09 pmYeah who cares anyway. We should call the nevada repugs and we should open more casinos. Or go to Iraq for Blackwater USA. Or for Exxon on some oil rig. Or get downed in a B2. Or get to New Orleans. I think the last one is the best one.
x for an u
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:11 pmWhat?
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:11 pmWhat?
Sry if I offended your emotions. God bless your conscience.
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:15 pmYeah, thanks. Will you be coherent tomorrow or do I need to scroll past all your replies?
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:17 pmYeah, thanks. Will you be coherent tomorrow or do I need to scroll past all your replies?
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:19 pmPowerful fork inversion. Ass guitar.
Can you really envision anyone under 50 voting for McCain?
Can you envision anyone who has heard/read of his hypocrisy this week voting for McCain?
McCain will get the vote of the older generation who find something familiar about his appearance/experience, former reputation, his history as a POW, but I can’t see anyone planning to be alive in twenty years, voting for him.
If you think Clinton represents the “old guard” and will restore the presidency of the 90’s, McCain will take us back decades, many decades.
Obama, by comparison, is cool under pressure, he is inspirational, forward-looking and will take us into the future with hope that things can start to get better.
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:19 pmViolins are even more classy in this case
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violin
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:23 pmObama promotes voter fraud
That’s right … virtually no one.But we’re finding that up to 20 percent of Obama supporters are registered Republicans.
Obama promotes voter fraud
Comment by ccokz — February 23, 2008 @ 7:54 pm
Ridiculous. I live in Florida and it is not at ALL uncommon for people to shift back and forth to change parties during the primary cuz they are CLOSED. For instance, we can’t vote for a Republican in a primary unless we are REGISTERED as Republicans. And vice versa. So even had I wanted to vote for, say McCain, in the primary…I couldn’t have unless I changed my party registration to Republican. Independents can’t vote in a primary at all. Bottom line is that if Republicans are re-registering as Dems prior to the election so they can vote for ANY of the Dems that were still on the ballot then, it’s hardly fraud. It is, however, a judgement on your party.
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:59 pmDon’t bother, impeach. The guy is stoned out of his mind.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:05 am“proceeding to trench for the illumintion abbraxos like the xenomorphic athmospheric bits of clouds thru the lsd trip Im skyrocketing to new shperes like total equilibrium in outer space”
Comment by ccokz — February 23, 2008 @ 10:51 pm
Koolaid overdose on aisle three.
Bring restraints.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:19 amRidiculous.
No no no no. The guy on openleft said that it is perfectly legal to have registered republicans vote in a dem primary.
http://openleft.com/ showDiary.do;jsessionid=2295498A8FE0B56ACC36B2D703E80BD9?diaryId=4125
And my prinicipal understanding would be the same. They dont need to re-register.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:19 amHey, stoned dude, impeach was talking about closed primaries. Why are you talking about open primaries in that context? Oh, wait, I know…
February 24th, 2008 at 12:30 amgood ah because its the U.S., you cant deny people to vote for a party or in a party. Forward is a positive thought and if people want to bring themselves in thats a positive thought.
The other point is democracy. You could acccuse (the regisastered Repugs)of not being too democratic for not letting the weak to be heard. They could overtone them.
So you would have to form the statutes, if you prohibit it, a bit diffrent.
But cause Ted Kennedy doesnt need prinicples, we got these lousy statutes this time. And, who likes work really? And, hey, Ted supports Obama.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:31 amWhy are you talking about open primaries in that context?
UUUh, sry. Im really stoned. The Florida primary is closed????????
Yeah right, I even dared to draw a connection to CURRENT primaries.
God bless your conscience.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:33 amYou wasted too many words to say nothing. States have the right to allow you or disallow you from voting in a primary for a party’s nomination because…it is a PARTY nomination…get it?
February 24th, 2008 at 12:36 am“Me flunk English? That’s unpossible!”
February 24th, 2008 at 12:37 am“UUUh, sry. Im really stoned. The Florida primary is closed????????
Yeah right, I even dared to draw a connection to CURRENT primaries.
God bless your conscience.
Comment by ccokz — February 24, 2008 @ 12:33 am”
Yes, Florida has a closed primary.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:37 amAnd Civics 101. I keep fighting against my better judgement, Jane, but I just keep responding. Don’t worry, I kick myself.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:38 amYou wasted too many words to say nothing. States have the right to allow you or disallow you from voting in a primary for a party’s nomination because…it is a PARTY nomination…get it?
nah nah partisans are partisan. if u join a primary as a republican u should try to suggest you do so to improve.
Not exactly a rockn roll party. Its more because you are a part of the organization.
(rocknroll)Party is pretty unequal to part in this case.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:40 amNice to see you, Sabyen. I guess my Universal Translater isn’t working properly, but, by all means, if you’re having fun, go for it. There may be a point to this somewhere…
February 24th, 2008 at 12:41 amAnd if you are a Republican that occasionally votes for Democrats? And if it is all about party registration what about the every-increasing independent vote? It appears to me that the states with the most independents have the open primaries. Now, you could make the case that it is a party vote and I could go along with that. But my state’s open primary has been quite successful. I am thinking you are just ticked because independents are so smitten with Obama that your candidate is losing by a larger margine than she would be otherwise.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:44 amYou can form in any form as long its constitutional. the thing that protects u from exclusion from a party is more or less the “all men are created equal” in the constitution. its not the state of florida (necessarily) that designs democratric primaries.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:45 amThanks Jane. I am thinking he made his point a long time ago and then didn’t like what he heard so he became Mork.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:45 amSo, independents are not created equal?
February 24th, 2008 at 12:46 amhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party
February 24th, 2008 at 12:48 amI think my state has it right. Same-day registration and open primaries. Encouraging voting is a GOOD thing. Limiting it…not so much.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:48 amYou would have to be a little more specific with your links to actually make a point ccokz.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:49 amYou would have to be a little more specific with your links to actually make a point ccokz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist
I dont know its hard too be specific about this. The best “general approach” “for everyone” “without lettin everyone in” is marxist.
but I dont want to hard-line this:
February 24th, 2008 at 12:54 amI think my state has it right. Same-day registration and open primaries. Encouraging voting is a GOOD thing. Limiting it…not so much.
Thats totally alright to me also. My point is -lousy at is - only, that Obama willfully brings them in. Thats really unfair.
Comment by Sabyen91 — February 24, 2008 @ 12:48 am
I’m with you on this point. We’re registered as Independent, and can’t vote in NY’s primary. My feeling is that if we’re stuck having to vote for either a Republican or a Democrat anyway, we should have the right to at least have a hand in picking the candidate. This darn two-party system…
February 24th, 2008 at 12:57 amMarxist, really? Isn’t that a little OT? And stupid? Are you a right-winger? Or a Hillaryite? I am finding it hard to tell the difference these days.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:01 amJane, you and Wayne need to move to Wisconsin! We love our independent folk. You could vote for who you wanted and you would have the pleasure of rooting for the Brewers, America’s team :P
February 24th, 2008 at 1:02 amnah again oragnizations (greek for tools) exist for having some focussing with certain topics for acceleration - so to help yourself. The democratic party is a political organization. You cant accuse me of stealing your momentum if u bring in registered republicans. THAT IS BULLSHIT.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:03 am“Thats totally alright to me also. My point is -lousy at is - only, that Obama willfully brings them in. Thats really unfair.”
Really, so you are mad that Obama doesn’t just appeal to a very narrow electorate? How do you think Hillary would do in the general???
February 24th, 2008 at 1:04 am(116 relates to 114)
February 24th, 2008 at 1:04 amThe problem you are having, ccokz, is being very partisan. Now, this is just anectdotal but I have seen, more than I can count, Republicans on blogs say they are not happy with McCain and couldn’t, in their lifetime, vote for Hillary. And Obama offers some freshness to the political process. So, they could either re-register as Dems or stay home. I am ok with them voting for the Democrat that is going to kick McOld to the curb.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:07 amReagan won on the back of Democrats. I am all for returning the favor.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:08 amC’mon, Sabyen, you know we’d probably love Wisconsin but our baseball hearts will always be with our Mets.
My Translator’s still not working…are you making any of this out?
February 24th, 2008 at 1:10 amThe problem you are having, ccokz, is being very partisan. Now, this is just anectdotal but I have seen, more than I can count, Republicans on blogs say they are not happy with McCain and couldn’t, in their lifetime, vote for Hillary. And Obama offers some freshness to the political process. So, they could either re-register as Dems or stay home. I am ok with them voting for the Democrat that is going to kick McOld to the curb.
hey, snow in alaska. what a coincidence. what a diffrence. after 8 years of bush
February 24th, 2008 at 1:11 amWell, Jane, I suppose you wouldn’t have to change allegiances with regards to the Mets. We would probably not respect you for it.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:12 amMy Translator’s still not working…are you making any of this out?
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — February 24, 2008 @ 1:10 am
It’s not just yours, Jane. I think it must be a system-wide error.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:13 amIf you are sick of 8 years of Bush…why are you a Hillary voter? They seem a bit similar in their tactics.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:13 amSlash and burn politics. Hillary? Bush? I don’t see a difference.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:14 amThey seem a bit similar in their tactics.
Could u be more precise about this?
February 24th, 2008 at 1:14 amSlash and burn politics
February 24th, 2008 at 1:15 amI guess Obama is using satin gloves all the time.
I think it must be a system-wide error.
Comment by Zooey — February 24, 2008 @ 1:13 am
Well, then maybe someone should run a Level 3 Diagnostic - nah, never mind, just scan for life signs, human or otherwise.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:19 amReagan won on the back of Democrats. I am all for returning the favor.
hey, some link:
http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2008/01/obama-on-reagan.html
February 24th, 2008 at 1:19 amBut its cool they wrote Repugs should gatecrash the Nevada primary.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:20 amJeebus. Are you kidding? Ok, here are some links.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/ 2008/ 02/ new_hillary_ad_in_wisconsin_sh.php
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/ archive/ 2008/ 02/ 15/ 669174.aspx
Oh, hell, there are too many to list. Just Google Hillary Rovian and read top to bottom. Watch the WI attack ads.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:28 amYeah dont forget the clearity (whats your prob with clearity? Even Obama uses “clearity”)
February 24th, 2008 at 1:29 amBlogwhoring?
February 24th, 2008 at 1:30 amBlogwhoring?
nah dont turn obscene. youre doin like a flatbed truck in the egg and milk section at wal-mart
February 24th, 2008 at 1:32 amHow about Hillary trying to change the rules in Nevada after the Culinary Workers Union decided to back Obama? Rovian? Yeah. I can’t believe you brought up Nevada.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:34 amBlogwhoring?
Comment by Sabyen91 — February 24, 2008 @ 1:30 am
Not that there’s anything wrong with that…. ;)
February 24th, 2008 at 1:35 am“Blogwhoring?
nah dont turn obscene. youre doin like a flatbed truck in the egg and milk section at wal-mart
Comment by ccokz — February 24, 2008 @ 1:32 am”
I suppose I am. Are you a strawman of a Hillary supporter?
February 24th, 2008 at 1:36 amBecause that isn’t very satisfying. And it is a pointless waste of time (as if replying to a blog isn’t anyway).
February 24th, 2008 at 1:37 amYour link to Hillarys statement that shes the only candidate for universal health care
btw, Obamas response isnt very singular concerning health care. he only said that hillary forces defenseless peeople to pay for health care. so this wisconsin ad cant be a toatal miss.
and your cheap “blogwhoring” after lousy links isnt very helpful either
February 24th, 2008 at 1:38 amAnd your cheap “discussion evasion” accusation link is no hit also. Therell be one on tuesday in Ohio.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:40 amAnd I think itll be a lot diffrent from the ones before.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:41 amIt isn’t discussion evasion. It is boredom. I could link all of the Google links and overwhelm you with reading material you will never read. I could write columns you would skim for talking points. There is not point. Hillary has shot her wad…”plagiarism”, really? 200 bucks as a personal contribution from a well respected professor that was a “Weatherman” 30 years ago? Hillary keeps throwing mud hoping something will stick just like Rove. The desperation is becoming obvious. Hillary needs to go curl up in a corner.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:46 amSo much for her “Moment” during the debate…you know, the one where she was honored and all that BS?
February 24th, 2008 at 1:47 amThe desperation is becoming obvious.
U know Id call health care fliers desperation. No, suddenly her anger about it is suddenly “tactical” and “desperation.” Guess u improve guys
February 24th, 2008 at 1:54 amIt isn’t suddenly desperation. She has been messing herself since before Wisconsin. Couldn’t happen to a classier woman. Have a good night.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:58 amShe is desperate. And the things she is saying about Barack are horrible. She is lying about Barack and she needs to make a public apology. There is a poll online asking if she should apologize. Here it is:
http://beertap.wordpress.com
Go and vote!
February 24th, 2008 at 2:04 amYou could make some movie… Mutated hoodlums dragged thru the dirt of a postapocalyptic world by homeland defense to take them to: health care insurers!
Hillarys just so Iranian u know.
February 24th, 2008 at 2:05 amI think u should check on the wooden plate on your head. whether u nailed it correctly.
Im tolerant towards dense guys you know. I give advice.
February 24th, 2008 at 2:11 amI would like a law to ban all lobbyists from working on political campaigns: Congressional, senatorial, presidential, all of them.
A lobbyist “volunteering” time for a campaign is lobbying that campaign, working with the expectation of a quid pro quo. It’s horribly corrupt and degrades our Democracy.
February 24th, 2008 at 6:49 amBush III, nuff said!
February 24th, 2008 at 9:53 amI was busy last night when this thread was going on, so I’ll weigh in now to keep the Troll from trying to use this thread later as a ‘victory’ of any kind.
It’s hard to figure out what the troll ccokz is saying, what with the IM-Speak. Hint, you don’t look credible if your way of referring to someone else you don’t know is to use the single letter ‘u’. If’ you are too lazy to spare two keystrokes, then you appear too lazy to do your research.
I don’t accept that Barrack Obama did anything underhanded with the latest flier attacking Mrs. Clinton’s health care plan. I’m waiting for fact-checking on it, obviously, but unless and until the fact check reveals that Obama fibbed, I’ll not be jumping in Clinton’s bandwagon screaming that Obama lied.
You see, I am a reasoned, cautious person, who does not like to jump on the first evidence of wrong-doing by any candidate on the D side of the aisle.
I am less convinced this is a HRC troll now, though. I’m starting to think honestly that this is a Republican plant trying to poison our discourse. If this troll doesn’t want to be branded an RNC tool, then maybe it might try a _different_ strategy.
February 24th, 2008 at 10:19 amThere is something wrong here. My client in the Senate receives only my vote, if I so wish to give it to him. I don’t make my living of the decisions he makes on my behave.
Hopefully the next president will run these bottom feeders out of town in the next few years. What a dream!
February 24th, 2008 at 10:58 amMcCain, i.e., McLier offends all intelligent people in this Country when he talks to us as if we were a bunch of retarded idiots.
How much longer will he tell that he is NOT related to the unethical, immoral activity of lobbying? We already know everything, and he keeps telling us otherwise. For how much long?
It’s just amazing what those Reps can do!
February 24th, 2008 at 7:14 pm