Liberal democracy weaker than in 2000.
By on Feb 24th, 2008 at 9:04 am
Liberal democracy weaker than in 2000.
A new poll in the March issue of the Atlantic finds that 73 percent of foreign policy experts believe “liberal democracy” is weaker than it was in 2000. One expert noted that “flawed U.S. policies” have given “democracy promotion a bad name.” Another remarked, “No country wants to look like Iraq.”
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Nobody wants to look like Iraq?
Why not?
infrastructure collapse
700,000 dead
cities completely destroyed, Americans driving around toturing, slaughtering raping people.
Democracy sounds like a real party
February 24th, 2008 at 9:10 amthat’s what happens when a fascist government, led by a capitalist puppet, tries to force democracy by violence and torture. The USA is rapidly joining the ranks of failed visions throughout history. The terrorists are sitting by, laughing as we destroy our own freedoms, infrastucture, military and economy, all under the coke-addled eye of the fratboy deserter, george bush, raised by two of the the worst people ever born. And now the filth-ridden McStain wants to continue the losing, treasonous ways of the GOP. conservatism is a stain on humanity.
February 24th, 2008 at 9:15 amWhere else but George Bush’s America can two “oil men” be in charge and still see oil twice the price as before they came to power? It will be intersting seeing how in the hell can McCain convince America Republicans are the right ones to fix Bush’s world-wide Republican mess.
February 24th, 2008 at 9:30 amOne expert noted that “flawed U.S. policies†have given “democracy promotion a bad name.â€
Gee, YA THINK???? It doesn’t take an “expert” to figure that out.
Sheesh.
February 24th, 2008 at 9:40 amA “poll†of just 40 participants?
Comment by good_golly — February 24, 2008 @ 9:34 am
No….40 Foreign Policy Experts.
February 24th, 2008 at 9:42 amThe poll’s participants?
Ken Adelman, Graham Allison, Ronald Asmus, Samuel Berger, Daniel Blumenthal, Stephen Bosworth, Daniel Byman, Warren Christopher, Richard Clarke, Ivo Daalder, Douglas Feith, Leslie Gelb, Marc Grossman, John Hamre, Gary Hart, Bruce Hoffman, Laura Holgate, John Hulsman, Robert Hunter, Robert Kagan, David Kay, Andrew Krepinevich, Charles Kupchan, John Lehman, James Lindsay, Edward Luttwak, John McLaughlin, Richard Myers, William Nash, Joseph Nye, Carlos Pascual, Thomas Pickering, Paul Pillar, Kenneth Pollack, Joseph Ralston, Wendy Sherman, James Steinberg, Shibley Telhami, Jon Wolfsthal, Anthony Zinni. Because of rounding, percentages do not always total 100.
I am amazed that Atlantic considers Ken Adelman, Doug Feith, Marc Grossman and Robert Kagan foreign policy experts. These guys have never been right about anything.
February 24th, 2008 at 9:43 amWill trolls ever grow a brain stem and think on their own?
Here’s a dime, go buy a fcuking clue, moron.
February 24th, 2008 at 9:44 am3/4 of foreign policy experts, gg, think that you and the rest of the Bush fellators are antiAmerican traitors. And they’re right.
February 24th, 2008 at 9:46 am“Aren’t those guys the same neofascists who have couped this democracy: Doug Feith, Marc Grossman (of selling nuclear secrets/traitor fame?) and Kagan?
Comment by satirev
Bingo!
February 24th, 2008 at 9:46 amOne expert noted that “flawed U.S. policies†have given “democracy promotion a bad name.â€
That happens when fascism, war, torture and corruption is promoted as “Democracy” by a would be imperial dictator puppet.
February 24th, 2008 at 9:47 amI just wonder how the poll would look stripped of the neo-con policy fumblers.
Even worse, I’d bet.
February 24th, 2008 at 9:48 amBush’s foreign policy legacy will outlast him! It will take 40 years or more to begin to undo the damage he’s done and we may never get tgere!
February 24th, 2008 at 9:50 amI suspect that the number 40 is larger than g-g’s IQ.
That 73% is much more creditable than the 19% g-g represents also.
February 24th, 2008 at 9:51 amNotice how the goal in Iraq has shifted away from democracy and towards stability. Hell…there was stability under Saddam.
February 24th, 2008 at 9:52 am“Hell…there was stability under Saddam.”
Comment by Badger
Neo-con Logic 101: If it works – break it. Look at the military for a prime example.
February 24th, 2008 at 9:55 amThinkFast:
Ralph Nadar at it again. Trying to ruin our electoral process.
http://www.cnn.com/
BTW, I’ve known several people who own Corvairs.
Ralph Nadar is a godd*amned fool.
February 24th, 2008 at 9:55 am“BTW, I’ve known several people who own Corvairs.
Ralph Nadar is a godd*amned fool.”
Comment by DieNowForPeace
I see you don’t say that you’ve ever ridden in one. The front end is shaped so that oncoming air is forced under the front-end, making steering sometimes difficult at higher speeds. And the battery was in the backseat – not a good location, in case of an accident.
February 24th, 2008 at 9:59 amwell then the cult of republicanism is accomplishing its goals: defeating anything with the word “liberal” associated with it and promoting conservative democracy a.k.a. totalitarianism. No wonder they love bush and cheney.
February 24th, 2008 at 10:02 am.
Thinkfast:
Turkish Cross-Border Offensive Continues in Northern Iraq
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: February 24, 2008
Filed at 9:50 a.m. ET
CUKURCA, Turkey (AP) — Turkey’s military said Sunday that eight more soldiers were killed in combat during its cross-border ground operation in northern Iraq, raising the death toll to 15.
The military said in a statement posted on its Web site that a helicopter also went down on the Turkish-Iraqi border for unknown reasons. Earlier, Kurdish rebels has said they shot down a Turkish military helicopter near the Turkish border.
Now please correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t RPGs also reported missing along with the other weapons? I’m speaking of the report of pistols and automatic rifles unaccounted for in Iraq. I believe there were also some explosives.
February 24th, 2008 at 10:09 amComment by barfly — February 24, 2008 @
Yes I have.
A little understeer? So what. Battery in the rear? Several Euro sport cars move batteries to the trunk for better weight distribution.
They were light and fast, like the Porsche 911, which also handles poorly.
Nadar is full of sh*t.
February 24th, 2008 at 10:13 am“Nadar is full of sh*t.”
Comment by DieNowForPeace
I agree. But those things are death-traps. Notice, you never see a Corvair on the highway, because of the aforementioned defect, so comparing them to a Porsche is a bit of a stretch.
February 24th, 2008 at 10:18 am“They were light and fast”
A Corvair? Fast? Compared to what? An Edsel?
February 24th, 2008 at 10:20 amPorsche added the whale tail for the same reason – they were death traps IN THE WRONG HANDS.
Same goes for the Corvair. And how many 1964 Porsches are on the highway? Stupid argument.
Why are you eager to swallow Nadar’s propaganda?
Ever driven one, or just spouting his bullsh*t?
February 24th, 2008 at 10:20 amIraq has unemployment of some 70% and costs the US 13 billion a month, look out here comes GOP Democracy!!
February 24th, 2008 at 10:21 amI’m done with you Barfy. There’s a 6 cylinder, turbo model with 210 horsepower.
Do some damn research, or stick a sock in it.
You’re highly mis-informend and spreading bullsh*t propaganda.
February 24th, 2008 at 10:21 amBush is systematically destroying American democracy and people around the world also see what global damage he has wrought — he has made democracy a dubious word.
February 24th, 2008 at 10:22 amWell, most corvairs I ever saw had caught fire, at least once…
February 24th, 2008 at 10:23 amRemember the Fiero?
They all burned, and they’re extinct.
Not the case the the Corvair.
Sorry Nadar-ites, he’s a tool.
February 24th, 2008 at 10:26 am…and I really don’t think he’ll have ANY impact on the election this year.
Who the fcuk cares? We’ve got better candidates than we’ve had in a decade!
February 24th, 2008 at 10:27 amRemember the Fiero?
They all burned, and they’re extinct.
I think they got the name backward on that disposable car, It should have been OH-FIRE!!!
February 24th, 2008 at 10:29 amNader should just give up and stop wasting his money
February 24th, 2008 at 10:31 am“There’s a 6 cylinder, turbo model with 210 horsepower.
Do some damn research, or stick a sock in it.”
There’s the petulant DNFP I’ve come to know. I invite you to come on out and make me, you little dogturd.
February 24th, 2008 at 10:31 am“There’s a 6 cylinder, turbo model with 210 horsepower.
Do some damn research, or stick a sock in it.â€
A faster death-trap hasn’t been designed yet.
February 24th, 2008 at 10:37 amNader is a deluded ego mainiac. Watch, he’ll take money from the republicans, like last time. We can’t stop him, but we need to permanently boycott every politician, local or national, who supports him, and boycott any party that supports him.
February 24th, 2008 at 10:43 am” I invite you to come on out and make me, you little dogturd.
Comment by barfly”
Oh boy! I love internet threats. I bet your avatar can’t beat up his avatar!
February 24th, 2008 at 10:46 amA “poll†of just 40 participants?? That’s not a poll. That’s a small group discussion.
Comment by good_golly
It doesn’t make much difference what the size of the group is. It could have been for instance the folks who were housed at the Super Dome and I’ll bet that Bushs style of Democracy was on peoples minds there too.
Course they weren’t experts in foreign policy, they only lived through another Bush screw-up like most of us do except for you Ms. Golly. It must be good knowing that that you are above all this.
February 24th, 2008 at 11:25 amI don’t anyone thinks much about Ralph Nader this time. besides Obama has enough charisma than either of the last two Demo hopefuls put together, Nader is as old as the hills, no one with any sense is gonna vote for his egocentric bullshit this time.
but he was right about the cor-vair though. I worked on one of those turbochared Spyders and between the turbocharger freezing because of bad bearings and the trans having all sorts of problems, it was good for six months or so. Oh and one problem they had with the Porsche was when the back end comes around better kiss your ass goodbye cus you are heading for a tree.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:05 pmLiberation of Iraq? What a joke, it’s a PNAC occupation is what it is.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:28 pm“No country wants to look like Iraq.†No country wants USA’s exploiation. Historicaly speaking, the USA as democracy “promoters” has a score of zero! The US is responsible for the militarization of Latin Amerca governments in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s. And that is only one continent. Watch “WAR ON DEMOCRACY” a film by John Pilger in YOUTUBE! Another of his movies is “STEALING A NATION”, where you can see how the USA/UK removed the population of DIEGO GARCIA in order to build a military base there… Words like ‘Democracy’ and ‘freedom’ coming out of the WH or Pentagon/CIA have no meaning whatsoever! Ask the population of Fahlujah what “democracy” feels like. For them, it tastes like white phosforo and depleted uranium…
February 24th, 2008 at 2:04 pmGreat – now some R’s are going to start saying Democracy should be privatized, like everything else they ruin through mis-management and negligence.
Ready for “voter vouchers” everyone?
How about “representation savings accounts”, so citizens have a tax-free way to save up bribe money to keep their schools open?
February 24th, 2008 at 2:30 pmDemocracy can never be imposed. It must evolve out of the people. The United States developed into a democracy because of the strong democratic underpinnings of the British. Despite the rule of a King, a strong example of individual rights had been established by the Magna Carta and the voice of the people was already taking hold in the house of commons. The colonies developed even further because they had to be self sufficient. There was still a King in England and some strong colonial govenors. However, the local governments had to depend upon their own resources and expertise in meeting most problems.
Unfortunately, the history of the United States in promoting democracy by military means has too often been a screen for promoting commercial interests. The usual perscription has been to open resources to our firms or to set aside the nationalizatio of US company businesses in other countries.
Promotion of democracy can only come through leadership by example and assisting local peoples. Afghanistan could have been an exception had the Bush government followed up on its invasion with a truly effective nation building effort. Instead, as in Iraq, Bush and his cronies believed that an effective democracy would florish after we had planted the seed with cluster bombs. It seems that conservatives are big on talk but lite on action.
February 24th, 2008 at 2:31 pm.
DEMOCRACY …
AT THE END OF A GUN,
NEVER LOOKS LIBERAL!
.
February 24th, 2008 at 3:18 pm#20 Comment by DieNowForPeace — February 24, 2008 @ 9:55 am
Voting MACHINES and Electronic Voting is what is “Trying to ruin our electoral process,” to borrow from you.
The fact that your hinting that another candidate in the mix screws with our DEMOCRATIC ELECTORAL PROCESS implies that your much too happy with the media darlings that have been groomed to represent the GOD and Dem’s. But wait… IF I’m chided for running or voting for others who run third party, then does that make you a bit of a PARTY LOYALIST? I mean, this is still America, where anyone who qualifies (35yo/ US born) can dare to dream… NO? Really though, what does that make you for attempting to quell that alternate voice?
Are you an American Third Party hater?
.
February 24th, 2008 at 3:26 pmThe only law George DUHbya can’t circumvent is the Law of Unintended Consequences.
http://newsprism.wordpress.com
February 24th, 2008 at 9:32 pmI’m really surprised that far right wing ideologues fail at spreading Liberal Democracy.
February 25th, 2008 at 3:54 pm