Ricks: Iraq’s ‘best case scenario’ is basically a ‘quagmire.’
By on Feb 26th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Ricks: Iraq’s ‘best case scenario’ is basically a ‘quagmire.’
Asked by a soldier in Baghdad today if there is “an end in sight” in Iraq, Washington Post military reporter Thomas Ricks replied that he thinks “we are stuck in Iraq for years to come” and that “the best case scenario isn’t that different from what some would call a quagmire.” Later in the online chat, Ricks expressed his cynicism about getting out of Iraq, saying, “I think we will be there for a looooooooooong time.”
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So Ricks thinks that either Democratic nominee would renege on their pledge to leave Iraq. Interesting.
February 26th, 2008 at 6:21 pmI read Ricks’ book, Fiasco, last year and it was stunning.
February 26th, 2008 at 6:22 pmU.S. Sen. (R) Tom Coburn’s comment that going to war in Iraq was “probably a mistake” represents a significant departure from where the Oklahoma Republican started out on the 5-year-old conflict.
February 26th, 2008 at 6:22 pmhttp://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080221_1_A1_spanc13621
Badmoonman, I hadn’t thought about it from that point of view; I hope you are not correct.
February 26th, 2008 at 6:25 pmI hope that the Democratic president will begin the orderly withdrawal of our troops immediately upon taking office.
I can’t see Obama going back on his pledge to start an immediate and orderly withdrawal from Iraq. If he does, his will be a very short presidency.
February 26th, 2008 at 6:35 pmRichard “Dick” Cheney even said so, what, back in 1992 or such?
February 26th, 2008 at 6:39 pm“We’re waist deep in the Big Muddy, and the Big Fool(Bush) says to push on.”–Pete Seeger
February 26th, 2008 at 6:40 pmThere has to be an accountability to all what happened from start of this war and what is happening now.
The politicians who voted for this war and planned it, must be repsonsible.
When lives & blood, in addition to billions of dollars spent daily on this war that has been going on for 6 years , then it is time to answer to American people..
As long as politicians feel insulated and somehow immuned from answering to people about this war…then this war will continue,and might be followed by more dangerous military adventures and more devastating in the near future..
February 26th, 2008 at 6:41 pmWhen leave Iraq, the Iraqis will finally be able to create their own government.
February 26th, 2008 at 6:52 pmAnd who was it that said “Invading Iraq would be a QUAGMIRE”, and “Saddam Hussein wasn’t worth that many U.S. casualties”….Anyone???
February 26th, 2008 at 6:54 pmUnfortunately, he is right, there is no good ending to this illegal, immoral, occupation brought on to us by a Criminal President, who was never elected in the first place. Doesn’t get much worse than this.
Hope Rapture Ready finds his Rapture soon, silly little tard.
Bush/Cheney
February 26th, 2008 at 6:54 pmHague Trials ‘09
ot:
February 26th, 2008 at 6:59 pmif you want to watch the debate tonight online,http://www.wkyc.com/video/news/breaking/ may get you there.
Buckie – you’re right. There is not going to be a good ending to this illegal war. There are never good endings to any war. Look what happened in Vietnam. The country was a mess and now 30+ years later, Vietnam has a thriving economy. It was no different here in the USA when our war of independence ended.
February 26th, 2008 at 6:59 pmthat would be cheeeney, specialist f @ 6:54 pm
February 26th, 2008 at 7:02 pmThere’s a war in Iraq? All i see is an illegal invasion and a foreign occupation controlling an oil producing nation for the profit of big oil. This is not war. This is fantasy.
February 26th, 2008 at 7:05 pmThere is no best case scenario for Iraq that anyone can convince me is enough to cover for the dead, wounded, refugees and traumatic stress that this murderous invasion has caused.
We must withdraw immediately and then try to make some sort of reparation starting with keeping our (expletive) noses out of other nations governments.
This whole propoganda line about keeping the peace by shoving democracy down the throats of others when we can’t even practice it ourselves is blasphemy.
As another poster said the other day ” I never knew I could hate someone so much and never know them.” This excuse for a US president definitely gets my vote for being the worst most destructive excuse for a human being I could ever imagine.
February 26th, 2008 at 7:08 pmStupid Comment by Cats r Flyfishn
Idiot, oh course over time they will have to quit killing each other, but that is not going to happen for quite awhile, and it is on our dime, which is not a good thing at all.
Man the repukes are just so…..stupid, it make the mind spin.
February 26th, 2008 at 7:08 pmDemocrats Mount New Attack on War Policies
February 26th, 2008 at 7:16 pmNew York Times – 1 hour ago
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN WASHINGTON – Undeterred by President Bush and Senator John McCain’s proud talk of progress in Iraq, Congressional Democrats have begun mounting new lines of attack against the administration’s war policies.
US Senate debates new Iraq withdrawal plan Reuters
Army’s Casey calls for cuts in Iraq combat tours MSNBC
Even in light of our aging population, we’ll apparently have no
universal health care for a looooooooong time.
But defense industries are afraid they won’t receive a raise on top of the multi-billion dollar raises the last 7 years!
February 26th, 2008 at 7:19 pmO/T
I don’t know of a year where the country had such a hard time imagining who the dem nominee would be, at least not to my knowledge of history. To anyone alive before the 80s, any take?
This is the key debate tonight, this is it.
February 26th, 2008 at 7:25 pmComment by katy
February 26th, 2008 at 7:34 pmI guess you get a bowl of grits Katy ;)
Comment by Gin — February 26, 2008 @ 7:35 pm
You forgot Japan. We don’t belong in Japan, either. 13-year-old girls there shouldn’t fear being raped near/on U.S. bases.
February 26th, 2008 at 7:46 pmMy favorite KISS song, “It’s cold gin time again”. Question for cold gin…who was all against using our troops for “nation building” in the 2000 campaign?
February 26th, 2008 at 7:47 pmSmooth move George W. You broke the military and the Treasury with one stupid bullheaded decision. Re: your legacy … don’t worry you’ll be remembered alright.
February 26th, 2008 at 7:51 pmNice outright racism there Gin.
Might want to hop on the wagon for a spell, my friend.
February 26th, 2008 at 8:03 pmI guess you get a bowl of grits Katy ;)
Comment by specialist f — February 26, 2008 @ 7:34 pm
in all my years, and even the time i lived in nashville area,
February 26th, 2008 at 8:08 pmi’ve never even tasted grits… thanks, but no thanks… :-]
… like the gooks did in Viet Nam.
Comment by Gin — February 26, 2008 @ 7:35 pm
why are conservatives racists?
February 26th, 2008 at 8:27 pm“why are conservatives racists?”
Comment by joe cantwell
FEAR.
February 26th, 2008 at 8:41 pmThen, the tribes can go back to killing each other like the gooks did in Viet Nam.
Of course, in spite if your racist ignorance, VietNam’s economy is stronger that the USA’s, and its people more highly-respected throughout the world. those “gooks” defeated us, I’m happy to say, and the racists like gin can’t get over the fact that their cowardice and incompetence lost that war, as it is losing today’s wars against “ragheads”, etc. Time to flag this useless piece of antiAmerican shit.
February 26th, 2008 at 10:22 pmU.S. Sen. (R) Tom Coburn’s comment that going to war in Iraq was “probably a mistake†How insipid to say a major disaster was “probably” anything. It was an unmitigated mess of a travesty of a disaster!!!
February 26th, 2008 at 11:38 pmgin is a loser, has to call names after getting her ass handed to her by the Vietnamese. This is the way rightwing losers behave. They are like badly-behaved three-year-olds.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:27 amThe US government is hemorrhaging cash down twin rat holes named Iraq and corruption and is heading for bankruptcy. The receivership won’t be pretty either with huges portions of the nations debt being owned by petro-plus FOREIGN government agencies in the Middle East and several Asian countries led by China. They will play the part of mustachioed villain come to evict Pauline (the American people), but there won’t be a handsome suitor to rescue us from the railroad tracks–and this is all thanks to the Cheney-Bush spend-like-a-drunken-sailor-without-paying-taxes binge. All the media play about ‘it is a recession,’ ‘it isn’t a recession,’ is garbage–there is a DEPRESSION coming down the pike and the moustache lurks outside our doors.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:22 am..From the Times (of London):
February 23, 2008
THE THREE TRILLION DOLLAR WAR
The cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts have grown to staggering proportions
by Joseph Stiglitz and Linda Bilmes
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/ tol/ comment/ columnists/ guest_contributors/ article3419840.ece
February 27th, 2008 at 7:28 amBTW Gin, The Pentagon Papers said we must prevent the free and fair elections reuniting North and South Vietnam (as we had promised) because it was obvious that Ho Chi Minh would win about 80% of the vote. They also said that the “Domino Theory” was not true. We killed 3,200,000 of them. We killed 58,000 of our own. Many of our soldiers are homeless and psychologically damaged today. Vietnamese children are born with horrible birth defects today due to the vast amounts of Agent Orange we dropped on their country. All things considered, we probably wasted $1,000,000,000,000.00
What if we had “won” the Vietnamese War? You think China would not mind 500,000 US troops sitting on their border? What would happen next? These are the problems we face when we try to control every square inch of the planet.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:39 amOnce again we will see images of our Helicopters lifting off the roof of our embassy, this time in in Baghdad, evacuating the last Americans. Then, the tribes can go back to killing each other like the [racist epithet deleted] did in Viet Nam.
Nice revisionist history, there. After the fall of Saigon and the reunification of Vietnam, how long did the Vietnamese continue killing each other?
Racist dumbass.
February 27th, 2008 at 11:22 am