Comments on: White House e-mail preservation system ‘primitive.’ http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:11:38 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: rollotomasi http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-4281001 rollotomasi Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:33:05 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/#comment-4281001 Isn't the Bush/Cheney administration's admission of lack of security over emails, if true, a pretty strong argument for the external oversight that FISA provides, since that issue also squarely rests on communications and access/security? How anyone could trust this administration on security is well beyond me. Isn’t the Bush/Cheney administration’s admission of lack of security over emails, if true, a pretty strong argument for the external oversight that FISA provides, since that issue also squarely rests on communications and access/security? How anyone could trust this administration on security is well beyond me.

]]> By: Doc Rock http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-4280988 Doc Rock Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:07:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/#comment-4280988 Rather than a design flaw, flawed by design? Rather than a design flaw, flawed by design?

]]> By: Lusmu http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-4280973 Lusmu Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:00:42 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/#comment-4280973 I don't buy it. They're covering their asses: "There's no grounds for indictment, the system was flawed from the beginning. E-mail could be lost inadvertently. We had technical problems. It was Bill Clinton!" Bull. I'll bet the gaps in the e-mail record are very convenient for the administration. And why the use of RNC mail servers? Couldn't the congress confiscate the RNC servers or their logs (which have no doubt been purged) because of this official government use? American democracy is broken. I simply hope that it is not beyond repair. I don’t buy it.

They’re covering their asses: “There’s no grounds for indictment, the system was flawed from the beginning. E-mail could be lost inadvertently. We had technical problems. It was Bill Clinton!” Bull.

I’ll bet the gaps in the e-mail record are very convenient for the administration. And why the use of RNC mail servers? Couldn’t the congress confiscate the RNC servers or their logs (which have no doubt been purged) because of this official government use?

American democracy is broken. I simply hope that it is not beyond repair.

]]> By: pete http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-4280967 pete Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:36:21 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/#comment-4280967 Generic Bushco response: <em> I can't tell you how I managed this momentous accomplishment. Rest assured I used only legal,God approved, means to accomplish my ends. Even in cases where I did not have the expressed, explicit, authority; I had an assumed, implicit, authority. But? Those methods are secret. It would only hurt you to know. It's really better for everyone if you don't question my methods.</em> Generic Bushco response:

I can’t tell you how I managed this momentous accomplishment. Rest assured I used only legal,God approved, means to accomplish my ends. Even in cases where I did not have the expressed, explicit, authority; I had an assumed, implicit, authority. But? Those methods are secret. It would only hurt you to know. It’s really better for everyone if you don’t question my methods.

]]> By: Uosdwis http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-4280963 Uosdwis Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:27:01 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/#comment-4280963 I remember Air America, probably Rachel Maddow, warning that this archivist guy, Weinstein, was bad news, and there it is. He is extremely secretive (secret govt is BAD govt), and even during the hearing, committee members had to constantly remind him to SPEAK UP! He can't even reveal his own voice! Darrell Issa is such a dick, rhetorically asking him if they should make copies of every Youtube video of Bush. No, idiot, but you are required by law to use the official White House email system and keep copies of every official email. Outside of that, the law gets fuzzy and ill-enforced, hence the RNC system. On the other hand, Bush issued an executive order that makes it too easy to claim privilege on Presidential Records Act items, including past presidents (Poppy) and VICE presidents. I remember Air America, probably Rachel Maddow, warning that this archivist guy, Weinstein, was bad news, and there it is. He is extremely secretive (secret govt is BAD govt), and even during the hearing, committee members had to constantly remind him to SPEAK UP! He can’t even reveal his own voice! Darrell Issa is such a dick, rhetorically asking him if they should make copies of every Youtube video of Bush. No, idiot, but you are required by law to use the official White House email system and keep copies of every official email. Outside of that, the law gets fuzzy and ill-enforced, hence the RNC system. On the other hand, Bush issued an executive order that makes it too easy to claim privilege on Presidential Records Act items, including past presidents (Poppy) and VICE presidents.

]]> By: Keith H. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-4280960 Keith H. Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:08:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/#comment-4280960 <i>Steven McDevitt, a computer expert who worked in the administration, called its system “primitive"</i> Here's what we're expected to believe . . . The most powerful office of the most powerful country on the planet has a 'primitive' electronic data preservation system . As if it was just the house next door and they had some difficulties with being able to afford their 'upgrade'. It's hard to put into words how stupid they must think everyone is. Steven McDevitt, a computer expert who worked in the administration, called its system “primitive”

Here’s what we’re expected to believe . . .

The most powerful office of the most powerful country on the planet has a ‘primitive’ electronic data preservation system .

As if it was just the house next door and they had some difficulties with being able to afford their ‘upgrade’.

It’s hard to put into words how stupid they must think everyone is.

]]> By: Lefty Patriot http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-4280956 Lefty Patriot Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:33:47 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/#comment-4280956 That reminds me. Today is the 15th anniversery of the 1st attempt to bring down World Trade Center. Comment by Gin — February 26, 2008 @ 10:43 pm Oh, yes, the one where Bill Clinton caught and prosecuted the perpetrators. "Attempt" is the operative word. Note that they terrorists were completely successful against the bush regime, and are still free. That reminds me. Today is the 15th anniversery of the 1st attempt to bring down World Trade Center.
Comment by Gin — February 26, 2008 @ 10:43 pm

Oh, yes, the one where Bill Clinton caught and prosecuted the perpetrators. “Attempt” is the operative word. Note that they terrorists were completely successful against the bush regime, and are still free.

]]> By: jb http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-4280954 jb Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:31:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/#comment-4280954 Perhaps the solution to the lawlessness of the current administration should also be "primitive". Perhaps the solution to the lawlessness of the current administration should also be “primitive”.

]]> By: Tired of being lied to http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-4280939 Tired of being lied to Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:36:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/#comment-4280939 Rose Mary Woods lives! And it appears she's been promoted from Magnetic Tape Erasure Specialist to Email Systems Data Eradicator! Rose Mary Woods lives! And it appears she’s been promoted from Magnetic Tape Erasure Specialist to Email Systems Data Eradicator!

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-4280915 Zooey Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:29:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/#comment-4280915 <em>Sensitive to Islamic slurs or something. Comment by Gin — February 26, 2008 @ 11:07 pm</em> Imagine that... Sensitive to Islamic slurs or something.
Comment by Gin — February 26, 2008 @ 11:07 pm

Imagine that…

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-4280904 The Republic of Stupidity Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:14:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/#comment-4280904 Comment by Gin — February 26, 2008 @ 11:07 pm Naaah... they're just tired of gibberish clogging up the threads... ;-D! Comment by Gin — February 26, 2008 @ 11:07 pm

Naaah… they’re just tired of gibberish clogging up the threads… ;-D!

]]> By: WaltTheMan http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-4280901 WaltTheMan Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:10:01 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/#comment-4280901 Now, let me understand this. I have access to every email I have sent back to 1982. How in Holy Hell can this administration lose access to records dating back to 2001? Is the IT staff using knotted strings to keep track of messages? Now, let me understand this. I have access to every email I have sent back to 1982. How in Holy Hell can this administration lose access to records dating back to 2001? Is the IT staff using knotted strings to keep track of messages?

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-4280898 Zooey Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:04:06 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/#comment-4280898 Um, don't let me interrupt anything... Um, don’t let me interrupt anything…

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-4280897 Zooey Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:03:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/#comment-4280897 Ohhhh nice....a three-way. ;) Ohhhh nice….a three-way. ;)

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-4280893 The Republic of Stupidity Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:57:54 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/#comment-4280893 S'okay, Ralph. Jes' think of it as "Doubles Whack-a-Trollâ„¢"... Sure looks like Point, Set, and Match ta me! S’okay, Ralph. Jes’ think of it as “Doubles Whack-a-Trollâ„¢”…

Sure looks like Point, Set, and Match ta me!

]]> By: ralph the wonder llama http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-4280890 ralph the wonder llama Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:52:30 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/#comment-4280890 My bad, TRoS... I stepped on your line. My bad, TRoS… I stepped on your line.

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-4280889 The Republic of Stupidity Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:51:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/#comment-4280889 Geez, Ralph... do you mind? I'm tryin' ta make a POINT here. Geez, Ralph… do you mind? I’m tryin’ ta make a POINT here.

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-4280888 The Republic of Stupidity Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:50:54 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/#comment-4280888 Comment by Gin — February 26, 2008 @ 10:43 pm Yeeeah.... and unlike Botch, Clinton actually caught the "perps"... without getting the country hopelessly bogged down in 2 very expensive wars in South Asia, one of which was totally unnecessary. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center#Bombing_of_February_26.2C_1993 In 1997 and 1998, six Islamist extremists were convicted and sentenced to life in prison for their roles in the bombing. I mean, geez, after they tried once, ya'd thunk Botch & Co would take a warning like "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike Inside US" seriously, don'tcha? Back to you, Gin. Comment by Gin — February 26, 2008 @ 10:43 pm

Yeeeah…. and unlike Botch, Clinton actually caught the “perps”… without getting the country hopelessly bogged down in 2 very expensive wars in South Asia, one of which was totally unnecessary.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center#Bombing_of_February_26.2C_1993

In 1997 and 1998, six Islamist extremists were convicted and sentenced to life in prison for their roles in the bombing.

I mean, geez, after they tried once, ya’d thunk Botch & Co would take a warning like “Bin Ladin Determined To Strike Inside US” seriously, don’tcha?

Back to you, Gin.

]]> By: ralph the wonder llama http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-4280886 ralph the wonder llama Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:48:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/#comment-4280886 <em>That reminds me. Today is the 15th anniversery of the 1st attempt to bring down World Trade Center. Comment by Cheap Bathtub Gin — February 26, 2008 @ 10:43 pm</em> Yeah... what ever happened with that? Oh, that's right... Clinton caught the bad guys, put them on trial and now they're rotting in prison. Kinda like Bush and bin Laden... except for the catching, trying and putting in prison part. That reminds me. Today is the 15th anniversery of the 1st attempt to bring down World Trade Center.

Comment by Cheap Bathtub Gin — February 26, 2008 @ 10:43 pm

Yeah… what ever happened with that?

Oh, that’s right… Clinton caught the bad guys, put them on trial and now they’re rotting in prison.

Kinda like Bush and bin Laden… except for the catching, trying and putting in prison part.

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/comment-page-1/#comment-4280884 The Republic of Stupidity Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:45:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2008/02/26/white-house-e-mail-preservation-system-primitive/#comment-4280884 Subtlety is lost on this one, f. I suggest a large mallet, and if one's not readily available, a nice length of 2x4 will work just as well. Subtlety is lost on this one, f.

I suggest a large mallet, and if one’s not readily available, a nice length of 2×4 will work just as well.

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