Hate Radio Upset That John McCain Doesn’t Hate As Much As They Do
Hate Radio Upset That John McCain Doesn’t Hate As Much As They Do
In Ohio yesterday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) appropriately apologized after right-wing talk radio host Bill Cunningham opened his campaign rally by pejoratively referring to Sen. Barack Obama’s middle name Hussein while calling him “a hack.” “I did not know about these remarks, but I take responsibility for them. I repudiate them,” McCain told reporters.
McCain’s repudiation stung Cunningham, who bellowed against the senator on his show later in the day. Cunningham claimed McCain “threw me under the bus for the national media” and then said that he would now “throw” his “support behind Hillary Clinton.”
Cunningham’s “hate radio” brethren, such as Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, joined him in indignation over McCain’s apology. Watch it:
Right-wing radio host Mark Levin, who also blogs for National Review, called McCain a “loser” for distancing himself from Cunningham’s caustic comments. Listen to it:
Because he won’t stoop to their low rhetorical level, right-wing radio is now telling McCain that he can “say good-bye to any hope of winning over the conservative base.” Apparently McCain doesn’t have enough hate for “hate radio.”
UPDATE: Even Karl Rove says that conservatives shouldn’t demagogue Obama’s middle name if they don’t want to appear “bigoted.”
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Conservatism is dying and America is rejecting this extremist ideology. The hate radio reich-wingers are having a hissy fit because they see their demise is on the horizon. Good riddance....
February 27th, 2008 at 12:12 pmFrom the thread below...
It appears this is part of their conditioning.
Comment by hellinabucket — February 27, 2008 @ 11:38 am
It’s what draws them to together and gives them focus.
It seems to me like the GOOP looked around back in the 70’s, after Nixon crashed and burned and took the party down w/ him, and decided the best way to build a new power base was to cobble one together out of all these angry, alienated groups. So they adopted all these “causes†(guns, God, & Gays) that really don’t have anything to do w/ each other, and called it their “philosophyâ€, then invited each of these little constituencies into the party.
As a result, you had the “new and improved†GOOP of the 1980’s - a bunch of angry white guys united by their rage. And that’s why they’re in so much trouble these days. All that anger got them into power, but once there, they had no real plan or idea or basis for running the place. They just knew what they didn’t like, but not what to do, except continue bullying and, of course, STEAL like crazy.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 27, 2008 @ 11:46 am
February 27th, 2008 at 12:13 pmAir America is "hate Radio"
February 27th, 2008 at 12:16 pmThe Hierarchy of Ideology (from top to bottom of importance) of the modern Reich-winger:
Conservatism/Hate
Racism
Sexism/misogyny
Murder/death/war/destruction
Fringe extreme groups
Fear mongering
The GOP
The USA
February 27th, 2008 at 12:18 pmOh, more from the right-wing intellgenstia -- why does my head ache?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:18 pmWith friends like these, how can anyone realistically think their enemy McCain can get elected? This race is over.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:19 pmComment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:16 pm
Congrats for not misspelling anything for once.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:20 pmThe slow and painful decline of the wankertocracy is great to watch.
All of these pouty children screaming about not being respected.
Whine and shout all you want, you are losers.
-GSD
February 27th, 2008 at 12:20 pmAir America is “hate Radioâ€
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:16 pm
Yeah? How so?
Or is that all you got?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:20 pmAir America is “hate Radioâ€
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:16 pm
Ummm... actually not...
Michael Savage is hate radio. Melanie Morgan is hate radio.
Rachel Maddow and Tom hartmann are "informed".
Michael Savage screams into his microphone.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:21 pmI don’t know Bill Cunningham. Until the big stink I had couldn’t tell you who he is. But is big “crime†is calling a may by his full name. That’s considered hate speech?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:21 pmDamn, Ralph... once again...
February 27th, 2008 at 12:21 pmDid VaVoter just write "America is hate"? I think so, I might be wrong, but it sure seems like he wrote those three very words.
/snark off
February 27th, 2008 at 12:21 pmThis is going to be sooooooo much fun, watching the hate-mongers Limpdick, Trannie, Hannity, Savage, Cunningham, Ingram, et al, explode with fury over McCain being the GOP nominee.
I'm going to stock up on popcorn & butter, & pepsi. This will be better than ANY movie at a theater near me. LOL!
February 27th, 2008 at 12:22 pmI don't understand Rush's point. Would he condone calling John McCain - John Adolph McCain if that were his middle name?
Somehow, I don't think so.
BTW, anybody notice Rush is getting rather ROTUND again? I think he's eating his emotions because his rotting soul knows he's promoting hate a discontent around the world.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:22 pmMichael Savage is hate radio. Melanie Morgan is hate radio.
Rachel Maddow and Tom hartmann are “informedâ€.
Michael Savage screams into his microphone.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 27, 2008 @ 12:21 pm
Interesting you didn't list Randy Rhodes.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:23 pmLike Reagan said: "Never speak ill of another Republican - even when that Republican is actually a Nazi."
February 27th, 2008 at 12:23 pm**Ignore the Trolls**
Do not validate their comments by completely dissecting their rants. Ridicule them, embarrass them, but do not debate with them or offer any sort of retort to their comments.
**Flag every comment from every troll.**
February 27th, 2008 at 12:23 pm-Rush "Love" Limbaugh
February 27th, 2008 at 12:24 pmVA Voter- your white robe, er slip is showing. Oh, what a BIG pointed white hat you have too.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:24 pm#8: Why is it o.k. to say “William Jefferson Clinton,†“Hillary Rodham Clinton,†“Franklin Delano Roosevelt,†etc
- - Personally, I have no problem with someone's name but the less mature, intelligent or cognitive-challenged do. Besides, did you know any foreign dictators named Rodham, Delano or Jefferson?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:24 pmDr. Matt just loves free speech.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:24 pmBarack Obama’s middle name. Why is he so ashamed of it? Maybe we should just call him “he who shall not be named.â€
Comment by good_golly — February 27, 2008 @ 12:20 pm
good_golly needs to look up the word "connotation".
February 27th, 2008 at 12:24 pmI don’t know Bill Cunningham. Until the big stink I had couldn’t tell you who he is. But is big “crime†is calling a may by his full name. That’s considered hate speech?
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:21 pm
go back under your racist, ignorant rock, you putz. you rightards have all the subtlety and wisdom of very slow 3rd-graders,
February 27th, 2008 at 12:25 pmInteresting you didn’t list Randy Rhodes.
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:23 pm
Randi Rhodes may get loud, but she doesn't tell callers to go "choke on a sausage", like Savage once did, or make jokes about torture, the way Morgan does.
Try making a real "point". You'll find it a novel, refreshing experience, but probably more than a little taxing.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:25 pmLet's make damn sure that if the reichwing is going to use Barack Obama's middle name, that we always refer to the republican anointee as John Sidney McCain III. Oh Sidddddddddddneeeeey!
February 27th, 2008 at 12:25 pmComment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:24 pm
You're on a roll! Another sentence without a grammatical error!!! You get a star, princess. *
February 27th, 2008 at 12:25 pmIt's getting old, Dr Matt.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:26 pmWe’ll quote you on that.
/snark off
Comment by good_golly — February 27, 2008 @ 12:24 pm
you say it's snark but it's exactly what you weaklings do. no wonder you're at 17% and sinking.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:26 pmYou’re a creep.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:26 pmComment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:24 pm
What is?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:27 pmVA Voter- your white robe, er slip is showing. Oh, what a BIG pointed white hat you have too.
Comment by Uncle Ho — February 27, 2008 @ 12:24 pm
So you're calling me a raciest. Nice. No proof. and no counter point. Just go back to the ol’ standby. “When in doubt, call them a racist.†That’s the “Progressive†way.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:27 pmIt's fun when reality bites the bad dog on the nose:
February 27th, 2008 at 12:27 pmRush Limbaugh
They were against McCain before they were for McCain before they were against McCain.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:27 pmWe all know that if Bill Cunningham had been bashing any member of the Clinton family, there would be no outrage at all, especially from the so-called Liberal media.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:27 pmWhere was the Liberal media the past 15 years as all of these right wing hate radio personalities were demonizing all members of the Clinton family?
Nice of them to come to Obama's defense, but where were they while the Clintons were being attacked? They were probably listening intently to the attacks with glee, and high fiving each other, that's where.
Why is it o.k. to say “William Jefferson Clinton,†“Hillary Rodham Clinton,†“Franklin Delano Roosevelt,†etc…. but we must never, never, never, mention Barack Obama’s middle name. Why is he so ashamed of it? Maybe we should just call him “he who shall not be named.â€
Comment by good_golly — February 27, 2008 @ 12:20 pm
Oooo - clever talking point. It's win-win for you guys! You spread the rumor that Barack Hussein Obama is a stealth Muslim and a Manchurian candidate who will turn into a rabid fire-breathing mecha-Muslim on January 21, 2009 and convert all of the United States to Islam, and then when we challenge you on it you say "what? I'm just sayin' a middle name."
Cute.
And Barack should be proud of the name "Hussein." It's a very nice name that means "Little Beauty."
February 27th, 2008 at 12:27 pmIt’s getting old, Dr Matt.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 27, 2008 @ 12:26 pm
Oops, wrong C&P: What is?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:27 pm"Why is it o.k. to say “William Jefferson Clinton,†“Hillary Rodham Clinton,†“Franklin Delano Roosevelt,†etc…. but we must never, never, never, mention Barack Obama’s middle name. Why is he so ashamed of it? Maybe we should just call him “he who shall not be named.â€
Comment by good_golly
"
You know full well why. It is a low-brow attempt to engender xenophobic fears about his supposed involvement with Islam. Politics of fear and smear. And it was very obvious. Extremists like yourself may think comments like that are just great, but what McCain realizes is that more moderate mainstream republicans will just be disgusted by low-brow tactics like that. And these are the votes he needs.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:28 pmInteresting you didn’t list Randy Rhodes.
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:23 pm
of course not; she's not a hater, or a racist.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:28 pmDon't act clueless, dickhead.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:28 pmSo you’re calling me a raciest [sic]
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:27 pm
Awwww, sport-O, you were on a roll, but now you blew it. I'm going to take that star away.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:28 pmGreat observation.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:29 pmHate and intolerance is the glue that holds the right-wing together.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:29 pmSo why does Rush call 70% of America his enemy?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:30 pmSo you’re calling me a raciest [sic]
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:27 pm
Awwww, sport-O, you were on a roll, but now you blew it. I’m going to take that star away.
Comment by Dr. Matt — February 27, 2008 @ 12:28 pm
The IGNORE THE TROLLS routine...
Hmmm... what was he just saying?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:30 pmOh, more from the right-wing intellgenstia — why does my head ache?
Comment by NoMoreBush — February 27, 2008 @ 12:18 pm
#1 oxymoron of all time.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:30 pmReich-wingers "attack" Mr. Obama's middle name because they cannot "attack" him on anything of substance. No wonder the reich-wing is going to be a permanent minority.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:30 pm"Rush Limbaugh and his wife are divorcing and experts say this could get ugly. I'm confused, are they splitting up or having sex?" —Craig Kilborn
February 27th, 2008 at 12:30 pmWhy is it o.k. to say “William Jefferson Clinton,†“Hillary Rodham Clinton,†“Franklin Delano Roosevelt,†etc…. but we must never, never, never, mention Barack Obama’s middle name. Why is he so ashamed of it? Maybe we should just call him “he who shall not be named.â€
Comment by good_golly — February 27, 2008 @ 12:20 pm
Sigh... I guess I'm just in a mood where I have to take these trolls semi-seriously today...
Gigi, you ask a dishonest question, because the only reason you want to use Obama's middle name is because you think it will damage him. Why no similar urge to use John McCain's middle name (Sidney)?
Barack Obama, like most Americans, typically goes by his first (given) and his last (family) name. Just like John McCain, Mitt Romney, Ron Paul or Rudy Giuliani. Typically people use their middle names or initials as a way to distinguish themselves from others. hence George W. Bush, as a means of distinguishing himself from his father, George H. W. Bush -- a distinction for which the elder Bush is deeply grateful, I'm sure.
(And "Rodham" is not Hillary's middle name. It's her maiden name. But you knew that.)
Barack Obama really doesn't need to distinguish himself further from any other public or family figure. He's already quite distinguished and individual.
Any insistence on using the man's middle name (Hussein) can generally be traced to a childish impulse and leaves the one who insists looking like a foolish schoolkid who has no better arguments than name-calling.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:30 pmI hope they get this Hussein thing out of their system soon. Say it over and over and over again and they'll get desensitized to it.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:31 pmSo the far right hate filled fear mongers have found an out for this years election. They will plant their flag on "Nobody represents us" and actively attack all.
Won't be long before they appoint a figurehead to rally around. Shades of 1930's in Germany.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:32 pmIt's been tried, Dr. Matt, and it didn't work.
I tried that too, last fall, and got told to bugger off.
Folks will do what they do here. Ever notice how the threads w/ the most traffic are the ones w/ the trolls on them? Some folk come here simply to fight w/ trolls. It's what makes TP the brawling, sprawling show that it is.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:32 pmHmmm… what was he just saying?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 27, 2008 @ 12:30 pm
Are you pretending to be obtuse or are you really that pathetic?
Read the post. I was said to ignore their comments. Do not validate their presence by providing a retort to their comments. It's not a "routine".
February 27th, 2008 at 12:32 pm“When in doubt, call them a racist.†That’s the “Progressive†way.
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:27 pm
We just call it as we see it.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:33 pmUh, OxyCon, I remember well the "liberal" media marginalizing these guys when they went after the Clintons unfairly. In fact, during the Lewinsky thing there was a quite a bit of defending going on. Sorry, but that SNL narrative just is not going to work.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:33 pmSo you’re calling me a raciest. Nice. No proof. and no counter point. Just go back to the ol’ standby. “When in doubt, call them a racist.†That’s the “Progressive†way.
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:27 pm
why can't conservatives learn to spell?
or at least spell check?
You’re on a roll! Another sentence without a grammatical error!!! You get a star, princess. *
Comment by Dr. Matt — February 27, 2008 @ 12:25 pm
ya jinxed him!
February 27th, 2008 at 12:33 pmHaven't heard any trolls or broadcasters calling Sen. Clinton
February 27th, 2008 at 12:33 pmHillary Diane Rodham Clinton ... We all know she was named after that infamous terrorist Al Diane Sisterani...
ya jinxed him!
Comment by joe cantwell — February 27, 2008 @ 12:33 pm
Yeah, the pressure got to her.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:34 pm1. Reich-wingers “attack†Mr. Obama’s middle name because they cannot “attack†him on anything of substance. No wonder the reich-wing is going to be a permanent minority.
Comment by Dr. Matt — February 27, 2008 @ 12:30 pm
I don’t care about Obama. I wouldn’t care if he was a full blown supporter of Islam. My issues with him are his policies. High taxes. More government control over our personal lives.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:34 pmComment by ralph the wonder llama — February 27, 2008 @ 12:30 pm
sidney?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:34 pmI posted this on another thread. It fits here better:
JOHN Wilkes Booth killed Abraham Lincoln, one of our best and most beloved Presidents. Do we really want to elect a presidential candidate whose first name is also JOHN?
/snark off
February 27th, 2008 at 12:34 pmComment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:21 pm
Don’t act clueless, dickhead.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — February 27, 2008 @ 12:28 pm
Marcus, that's not an act. VA VOOm really is that clueless.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:34 pmThey're upset with John SIDNEY McCain? John SIDNEY McCain??? John SIDNEY McCain?????
February 27th, 2008 at 12:35 pmSeriously, I think enough Americans are sick and tired of the smear and fear tactics the right routinely uses.
A thorough repudiation is coming on Nov 8, 2008.
And I'm fine with all you idiot trolls referring to 'President Hussein' after Jan 20, 2009. That will just cement your ignorance forever.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:36 pmI'm trying to imagine the frustration and helplessness of those on the
February 27th, 2008 at 12:36 pmright side. Their entire world is crumbling around them and they desperately try to hang on to the losers who destroyed the Republican brand name. I wonder if they truly realize just how much damage their 'chosen ones' have done to this great nation.
So you’re calling me a raciest. Nice. No proof. and no counter point. Just go back to the ol’ standby. “When in doubt, call them a racist.†That’s the “Progressive†way.
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:27 pm
No, when in doubt we call you fascists. We call you racists because it is evident in all you people do, say and support.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:36 pmActually, when I hear 'Manchurian Candidate' I think of McCain and what the swiftboaters said about him, and the Swiftboaters never lie, right gg?.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:36 pm"Let's install a Muslim Manchurian candidate into the presidency!! We shall name him.....Barack Hussein Obama!"
"Yeah, let's stay way from names like Ahmed or Abdul. Those are dead giveaways.
Pffffft.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:36 pmPLC ~ Not to mention JOHN Dillinger, John the Baptist and John Rambo!
February 27th, 2008 at 12:37 pmMore government control over our personal lives.
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:34 pm
nobody cares how many times a day you masturbate. just take a minute off to learn how to use the spell check feature on your computer, ok?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:37 pmAre we permited to use the last name of “he who shall not be named,†or does it sound too much like Osama?
Comment by good_golly — February 27, 2008 @ 12:29 pm
There you go again, racist pigs.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:39 pmit's all a show...
they even took a poll on just how racist and bigoted
they could be...
it's only just begun...
time to put on that armor... and get the pushback facts lined up...
February 27th, 2008 at 12:40 pmTrolls in here crack me up! Still talkin' in the faux-intellectual, tres-superior tone, while their "CEO" President, GWB is still in office and tripping over his own dick every time he stands up.
Hey trolls: Bush is your legacy. Post any old crap you want to - you're just a bunch of knuckleheads.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:40 pmThey’re upset with John SIDNEY McCain? John SIDNEY McCain??? John SIDNEY McCain?????
Comment by Doc Rock — February 27, 2008 @ 12:35 pm
G'Day, mate! Maybe President John Sidney McCain's first act in office will be to throw some shrimps on the barbie and then appoint Paul Hogan Secretary of State and then and change the National Anthem to the Philosophers Drinking Song and then bomb Tehran. G'day crikey g'day crikey!!
February 27th, 2008 at 12:40 pmActually, I'm going to enjoy having a president named "Hussein" succeeding Bu**sh** in the Oval Office.
After the damage Dumbya has wrought on this nation's security, economy and reputation in the pursuit of a boogeyman named Hussein, how sweet an irony will it be when he has to turn over the front door keys to a successor of the same name?
Now THAT will be delish.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:41 pmEvery time I turn around there is another example of how seriously damaged these repugs are.
They were all worked into a lather because Farrakahn endorsed Obama and were screaming that Obama should not accept that endorsement, but they are mad at McCain for denouncing this.
I am absolutely convinced that they are evolving into a subhuman breed.
They are only capable of seeing wrong(sometimes inventing it out of thin air) if it's done by Libruls. They cannot bring themselves to see fault in their own ranks.
wasn't it the republicans who brought Impeachment proceedings against Nixon?
Now they can't see right from wrong? If they don't start acting "human" soon, others in the species will stop mating with them and they will soon become extinct.
The Audacity of Hope! ;)
February 27th, 2008 at 12:41 pmMore government control over our personal lives.
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:34 pm
Your kidding right? Government has grown by 35% under Bush with record deficits and budgets to boot!
February 27th, 2008 at 12:42 pmRush Hudson Limbaugh III
Wasn't Rock Hudson gay? Just sayin'...
February 27th, 2008 at 12:42 pmI am absolutely convinced that they are evolving into a subhuman breed.
Comment by TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong — February 27, 2008 @ 12:41 pm
I think you mean "they are being intelligently designed into a subhuman breed."
February 27th, 2008 at 12:42 pmHigh taxes. More government control over our personal lives.
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:34 pm
you're speaking of McStain's plans, of course. there is never more interference with personal lives than when republicans are trying to force everybody to behave, except themselves. and the tax burden on 95% of Americans is much larger than it ever was. much.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:43 pmThere you go again, racist pigs.
Comment by Shayne — February 27, 2008 @ 12:39 pm
gg's racism has always been her undoing.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:43 pmHillary Clinton vs. McCain = Hillary wins. :)
Barack Hussein Obama vs. McCain = McCain wins. :(
February 27th, 2008 at 12:44 pmMore government control over our personal lives.
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:34 pm
Like that stupid marriage crap having to be a chick and a dude. Stupid interferring government
February 27th, 2008 at 12:44 pmNot to mention JOHN Dillinger, John the Baptist and John Rambo!
Comment by RUCerious
Abraham. Lets not forget all these religions are Abrahamic. As well we must also forget that we all came from Noah and his sons.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:44 pmComment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:34 pm
nobody cares how many times a day you masturbate. just take a minute off to learn how to use the spell check feature on your computer, ok?
Comment by joe cantwell — February 27, 2008 @ 12:37 pm
Freedom is more than what you do in the bedroom. It’s about making decisions about what’s best for me. Government controlled health care takes that choice away from me. If I start to make a lot of money, the government punishes me with taxes. How is that freedom? I know the government has a job. But it’s not as much of a job as you folks seem to want it to be.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:44 pmJohn Sidney McCain? Isn't Sidney a Jewish name?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:44 pmObama is Abrahamic!!!
Run for the hills!!
Snarcasm on//
February 27th, 2008 at 12:44 pmRUCerious - And isn't JOHN also slang for, you know, "toilet"? Can we "sink" this low?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:45 pmPLC; connotation is too many syllables and letters for GiGi, she needs one syllable words only. Any more than that is beyond her understanding. i.e. she no sav-vy.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:45 pmComment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:34 pm
Like that stupid marriage crap having to be a chick and a dude. Stupid interferring government
Comment by dbadass — February 27, 2008 @ 12:44 pm
I agree with you on that issue.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:46 pmI think you mean “they are being intelligently designed into a subhuman breed.â€
Comment by toasterhead — February 27, 2008 @ 12:42 pm
I defy you to show me any intelligence in THAT design.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:47 pmMore government control over our personal lives.
Comment by VA Voter
So telling a woman what she can do with her body, or telling gays that they can't marry or adopt children isn't interfering with personal lives?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:47 pmKC
Government controlled health care takes that choice away from me. If I start to make a lot of money, the government punishes me with taxes. -=V V=-
What? It wont be government controlled healthcare, it will be government insurance that you can take to YOUR doctor of choice not some VA type hospital. As for paying more taxes, and you will for government that has grown 35% under Bush which may not go up but go on for longer.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:47 pmSo, go ahead and jerk-off. Whadda' ya' want? Permission?
BTW: That's my new slogan for the Republicans: Freedom is more than what you do in the bedroom.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:48 pmComment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:44 pm
get over yourself!
1) no one cares what you do in your bedroom.
2) learn to use spell check.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:48 pmAnd isn’t JOHN also slang for, you know, “toilet� Can we “sink†this low?
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian — February 27, 2008 @ 12:45 p
Yeah! And it's also slang for a client of women of ill repute. That has got to be damaging to his campaign.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:48 pmGeorge TREASON Bush IS hatred.
Of EVERYTHING that is GOOD for the American people.
The distillation and symbol of ALL that the RapeubliNazis stand for.
Of course, Jesus says if you HATE, you will NOT be with his Father...
McTRAITOR, McLiar, McPanderer, McHate.
McWarCriminal.
Poor McGeorge.
Daddy WON'T be able to save him from hell, cause HE'LL be there.
Along with TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan, now DEAD and BURNING.
Sincerely,
McNRA Gun Nut(e)s
February 27th, 2008 at 12:49 pmRighties only read the advertising copy- they never open the can and sniff the contents. That's how they're able to mouth support for all this gop criminality while the economy goes to hell, the envrionment is abused, people are unnecessarily slaughtered, and all those other "low tax" and "big gov't off your back" "achievements". They are the Americans PT Barnum loved the best.
"Rising Taxes" and "Big Government" - the twin unicorns of Righty delusion-making.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:49 pmyou know, i dont agree with much in McCain's policies and politics, but i sense he is a good person, possessing some integrity, and not an officer in 'the League of Angry White Men' all those hate media guys belong to.
if he would get his ass in gear about the war, i might consider him a reasonable candidate. and he might win. but again, i think he actually believes in the war.
i am impressed that he stood up to those morons.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:49 pmTrolls in here crack me up! Still talkin’ in the faux-intellectual, tres-superior tone, while their “CEO†President, GWB is still in office and tripping over his own dick every time he stands up.
Hey trolls: Bush is your legacy. Post any old crap you want to - you’re just a bunch of knuckleheads.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — February 27, 2008 @ 12:40 pm
I thought he was tripping over his tongue. Because if he's tripping over his d*ck, in theory he might actually be good for SOMETHING.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:49 pmYou little closet homosexual! tap, tap, tap...
February 27th, 2008 at 12:49 pmI love Colbert's McCain Limerick.
There once was a man named McCain
February 27th, 2008 at 12:50 pmWho had the whole White House to gain
But he was quite a hobbyist
Of boning his lobbyist
So much for his oh-eight campaign
Speaking of Limpballs, he devoted the first hour of his rant-fest to William F. Buckley today. It is clear from listening to him that his little head full of mush was highjacked by Buckley at an early age.
Just like the mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, high school drop-out, brain-dead, xenophobic ditto-heads who uncritically accept every bit of the steaming crapola he poops out on his show every day.
Limpballs is nothing but a hero-worshipping neo-con groupie.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:50 pmIf I start to make a lot of money, the government punishes me with taxes. How is that freedom? I know the government has a job. But it’s not as much of a job as you folks seem to want it to be.
Comment by VA Voter
Considering your lousy grammar and atrocious spelling, I would not count on you making too much money just yet. When and if that ever happens, we can re-visit the topic. For now, just continue to be scared and hide under your bed. You'll be safer there. Let the adults start fixing the mess your idiot in chief has created.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:50 pmLike that stupid marriage crap having to be a chick and a dude. Stupid interferring government
Comment by dbadass — February 27, 2008 @ 12:44 pm
I agree with you on that issue.
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:46 pm
So you think THE CULTURE AND POLICIES of YOUR ENTIRE POLITICAL PARTY ARE WRONG? And their HYPOCRISY is UNREPUBLICAN? Or are YOU the one that's UNREPUBLICAN on this ISSUE - TARD? ROTFL!
February 27th, 2008 at 12:51 pmLet the adults start fixing the mess your idiot in chief has created.
Comment by StratRat — February 27, 2008 @ 12:50 pm
What has the government ever fixed?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:52 pmI've noticed that too. I've also noticed on many posts the trolls are fairly early to comment.
Makes one wonder...
February 27th, 2008 at 12:53 pmI agree with you on that issue.
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:46 pm
And what about those jerks telling me I can't recreate with the drugs of my own choosing. And don't even get me started on how the big bad government is depriving me the freedom to have all sorts of toxins in my food, air, and water. And what is up with speed limits and all those transportation safety laws. Stupid big government!
February 27th, 2008 at 12:53 pm"John" or "John Doe" also refers to a generic person.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:54 pmDoes "John McCain" refer to a generic candidate? Or is that "geriatric"?
The irony of TARDS like gigi, is that if GWB were running this election, and he were 80, gigi would be the first to WHINE that using his Middle Name WALKER would be an INSULT TO HIS AGE!! ROTFL!! Republicans HATE REALITY, it has SUCH A LIBERAL BIAS! ROTFL!
February 27th, 2008 at 12:54 pmAll Republicans aren't Racists...
February 27th, 2008 at 12:54 pm...But most Racists are Republicans.
How is that freedom? I know the government has a job. But it’s not as much of a job as you folks seem to want it to be.
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:44 pm
So where do you put the three trillion dollar Iraq quagmire - is that government's job or not?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:54 pmFreedom is more than what you do in the bedroom. It’s about making decisions about what’s best for me. Government controlled health care takes that choice away from me. If I start to make a lot of money, the government punishes me with taxes. How is that freedom? I know the government has a job. But it’s not as much of a job as you folks seem to want it to be.
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:44
If I were you I would start worrying about my freedom. Because once a Democrat is in office and the investigations begin all you good Nazis carrying water for your leader should be tried enabling al the crimes that have been going on for the last 7 years.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:54 pmJohn is a great name....either a toilet or a prostitute's customer.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:54 pmCAUTION
new mccainer in
mccain
"I have some news. Al-Qaida is in Iraq. It's called `al-Qaida in Iraq,'" McCain said, drawing laughter at Obama's expense.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:54 pmAll they've got is name calling - they can't debate the issues. They next time any of these jokers tries to pull you into the "it's just a name" excuse for a debate, your response should be "Right. Let's discuss the real issues instead of your silly preoccupation with names. This country needs leaders, not someone with the right arrangement of letters on a letterhead."
February 27th, 2008 at 12:55 pmWhat has the government ever fixed?
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:52 pm
The 2004 Presidential Election?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:55 pmWhat has the government ever fixed?
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:52 pm
They fixed Iraq. Oh, wait, I've got that wrong. They BROKE Iraq.
So, Va Voom, are you advocating no government, since your implication is that government can do nothing right?
(Seeing as you're a right-wingnut and Republicans have proven themselves to be completely incompetent at governing, I can see why you would hold that opinion.)
February 27th, 2008 at 12:56 pmWhat has the government ever fixed?
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:52 pm
nothing since bush took over.
think before you troll!
February 27th, 2008 at 12:56 pmWhat has the government ever fixed?
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:52 pm
ROTFL!!! Slavery? The open murder of Homosexuals? Oppression of Women? Lack of Roads and/or transportation options? Lack of Water? Lack of Safety? Fourty Percent poverty rates? Child Labor exploitation? Old people on the streets because they had no social security? Old people dying without any healthcare because there was no medicare?
Shall I go on?
A better question is WHY you CAN ONLY CALL FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR DEMOCRACY? Were you ALWAYS A TERRORIST, or did you BECOME ONE LATER IN LIFE?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:57 pmWhat has the government ever fixed?
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:52 pm
The aqueduct?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:57 pmLesson for VAVo:
The Great Depression and New Deal
Sounds reminiscent of our current situation. Scary sh*t.
Then, enter the New Deal.
Sorry for the huge C&P, now go "learn".
February 27th, 2008 at 12:57 pmWhat has the government ever fixed?
Comment by VA Voter
I am trying to reconcile the huge difference in your words with your chosen petulant boy king's penchant for increasing the debt and the size of government. You really need to look at what the Bush adminstration has done to the deficit and the financial well being of our economy. Do you read anything except the funny papers?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:58 pmHate radio always brings out the worst in TrollieLand.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:58 pmComment by belac — February 27, 2008 @ 12:57 pm
true. They did fix the aqueduct.
And sanitation. You remember what the streets used to be like.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:58 pmnothing since bush took over.
think before you troll!
Comment by joe cantwell — February 27, 2008 @ 12:56 pm
"Ever fixed".
February 27th, 2008 at 12:58 pmcomment by jb @ 12:54 pm
LMFAO!!!!
February 27th, 2008 at 12:59 pm“I have some news. Al-Qaida is in Iraq. It’s called `al-Qaida in Iraq,’†McCain said, drawing laughter at Obama’s expense.
Comment by ccokz — February 27, 2008 @ 12:54 pm
Actually, it's not. It's called "Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad ar-Rafidayn."
February 27th, 2008 at 12:59 pmWhat has the government ever fixed?
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:52 pm
May I ask, why is the DoD so big if conservatives want a small government?
February 27th, 2008 at 1:00 pmGovernment cleaned up the Great Lakes (now going down the tubes again under Bush).
If it weren't for government, we would all be dead from DDT.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:00 pmConservatives: Wm. F. Buckley, Jr died today, and though I have become more liberal over the years, I admired and respected his intellect. He is in my opinion the only intellect in the conservative camp. And he was a conservative, not a neocon. He was against the Iraq war. Some of you need to take note. And please advise me what his middle name was; certainly that is very important, and also keeps me on topic.....
February 27th, 2008 at 1:00 pmIt sounds like the trolls are advocating anarchy. They prefer no leaders. So why do they keep supporting folks who seek to help themselves and their friends getrich off of our tax dollars?
February 27th, 2008 at 1:01 pm“Ever fixedâ€.
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:58 pm
I have to thank VaVoom for reminding me why I stopped taking trolls even semi-seriously.
I think I've got that monkey off my back again. I relapsed but VaVoom has shown me that it's just a waste of time. Arguing with a troll is like pouring American tax dollars into an Iraqi sinkhole.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:01 pmWhat has the government ever fixed?
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:52 pm
Well under Bill Clinton it fixed the budget deficit left by Reagan and GHW Bush.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:01 pmComment by Zooey — February 27, 2008 @ 12:58 pm
gg, va voter, et al. it's as if they all just stopped trying. they don't care. they copy.
once upon a time the trolls had passion.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:02 pmThe people standing behind McBush look like they're about 90 percent knuckle-heads.
And McFossil just keeps walking back and forth to display his followers
as the camera is showing a close up of him largely because the paid
for props behind him are only two deep.
This business of nominating McJunior keeps getting better by the day.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:02 pmApologizing is a sign of weakness for these folks. So of course they would attack McCain
February 27th, 2008 at 1:04 pmMay I ask, why is the DoD so big if conservatives want a small government?
Comment by McWars — February 27, 2008 @ 1:00 pm
National security is a mandate of the Constitution. It’s the primary job of the government to protect is people.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:04 pmThe aqueduct?
Comment by belac — February 27, 2008 @ 12:57 pm
Well other than the aqueduct?
February 27th, 2008 at 1:04 pm"Do you ever wake up in the middle of the night and just think to yourself, 'Am I just full of hot gas?'" Dave Letterman to Rush
"And one of the things that -- that the -- the
AIDS activists said regularly back then was, oh,
this is only a matter of time before it spreads to
the heterosexual community. It's only a matter of time.
And they used that as -- as one of the weapons to try
to get people like Reagan to start talking about it
from their standpoint. And of course it -- it hasn't.
It -- it didn't, and it hasn't, other than in Africa,
and in Africa it is -- it is being spread not just by
-- it -- it -- it's promiscuity that -- that -- that
spreads this, if you want to know the truth.
It's promiscuity.
But it -- it hasn't made that jump to the heterosexual
community."
Rush Limbaugh
June 9, 2004 broadcast of The Rush Limbaugh Show
"Why should Blacks be heard? They're 12% of the population.
Who the hell cares." -Rush Limbaugh
‘take that bone out of your nose and call me back.’
February 27th, 2008 at 1:06 pmRush Limbaugh
Source:Notable Quotables, mrc.org
May I ask, why is the DoD so big if conservatives want a small government?
Comment by McWars — February 27, 2008 @ 1:00 pm
National security is a mandate of the Constitution. It’s the primary job of the government to protect is people.
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 1:04 pm
notice how he doesn't answer the question?
va, when did you stop caring?
February 27th, 2008 at 1:06 pmNational security is a mandate of the Constitution. It’s the primary job of the government to protect is people.
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 1:04 pm
So you like the "provide for the common defence" part of the Preamble, but not the "insure domestic Tranquility" or "promote the general Welfare" parts. Why is that?
February 27th, 2008 at 1:06 pmActually, I think what VA Voom really meant to ask was, what have the REPUBLICANS ever fixed?
GOP sources cite lax controls at NRCC
February 27th, 2008 at 1:07 pmI continue to wonder, with no clear explanation to date, why conservatives first look gut the poor when they're in power, to fulfill their agenda of reducing the size of the government. They talk of individual rights, but they gut programs benefiting individuals to pass the savings on in the form of corporate welfare.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:07 pm116 - hey, don't forget the 2000 election! They fixed *that* too.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:07 pmva, when did you stop caring?
Comment by joe cantwell — February 27, 2008 @ 1:06 pm
My guess is when the RNC cut back his rate from 10 to 8 cents per post. Accounting troubles and all.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:08 pmNational security is a mandate of the Constitution. It’s the primary job of the government to protect is people.
Comment by VA Voter
National security is a mandate of the Constitution. It’s the primary job of the government to protect is THE CONSTITUTION.
Comment by VA Voter
There I fixed it for you...
February 27th, 2008 at 1:08 pmNational security is a mandate of the Constitution. It’s the primary job of the government to protect is people.
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 1:04 pm
Yeah, so the Bushes screwed National Security by exposing our CIA spy who specialized in WMD, along with her ENTIRE CIA fake company.
Which makes the Bushes TRAITORS to the USA.
Just like John McTraitor is...
February 27th, 2008 at 1:09 pmhttp://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2008/02/rove-tried-to-smear-siegelman.html
Rove and Siegelman
February 27th, 2008 at 1:09 pmRepublicans have their McMansions they can't afford, their McWar they can't afford, their McCandidate they can't vote for. Their burgers aren't safe to eat, not because of the brown people slaving away for minimum wage and paying taxes into a system they can't be a part of, but because the GOP people in charge refuse to me monitored and regulated by a responsible government agency.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:10 pmComment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 1:04 pm
What about ensuring the general welfare? Surely the general welfare doesn't consist of an arms race.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:10 pmComment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 1:04 pm
What about ensuring the general welfare? Surely the general welfare doesn’t consist of an arms race.
Comment by McWars — February 27, 2008 @ 1:10 pm
Don't waste your breath. To Va Voom, the "general welfare" is a bunch of sissy crap.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:11 pmPLC ~ Not to mention JOHN Dillinger, John the Baptist and John Rambo!
Comment by RUCerious
What about porta-john? Do we realllly want a president named after a chemical toilet?
February 27th, 2008 at 1:12 pmI might add that I respect Sidney McCain for his repudiation of the scurrilous comment form hate radio. Since many have never heard of this jerk, just think of the publicity from this.
On the other hand, reminding Barack that Al Qaeda is in Iraq is a cheap shot, because before Mr McCains thousand year war, there was positively no Al Qaeda in Iraq. I posit that now, there will be Al Qaeda in Iraq for a thousand years. Or at least until Islamist change the Quran. I'm betting on a tie at a thousand years in that regard, in consideration of the time it took Christianity to rid itself of the Biblical imposition to kill all heathens. More on that later on CNN, right?
February 27th, 2008 at 1:12 pmwilliam f. buckley died today. he was 82. the cause of death was unknown but he had been ill with emphysema. after reading va voters comments here i'd say it's likely he died of a broken heart.
va?
your passion? your caring? where has it gone?
February 27th, 2008 at 1:12 pm#105 VA Voter: Why don't we start with fixing the Great Depression started by Hoover and the robber barons of the 1920's. I think FDR did a masterful job of fixing that mess.
How about these:
40 hour work week - thank a liberal
child labor laws - thank a liberal
women's right to vote - thank a liberal
worker protections - thank a liberal
social security - thank a liberal
equal pay - thank a liberal
equal rights - thank a liberal
right to choose - thank a liberal
collective bargaining - thank a liberal
And how about this one, the Serviceman's Readjustment Act of 1944, commonly know as the GI Bill. Once again - thank a liberal.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:13 pmThe REAL problem is that this is a second grade issue...
February 27th, 2008 at 1:14 pm"What? That's your middle name right, I'm just calling you by your name... don't you like to be called by your name? Should I call you poopy-bottom from now on?"
This ranks right up there with "I'm not touching you! My finger is right next to your ear, but I'm not touching you!" as a political argument.
...and when McCain admits that there is no "there" the Radio-thugs jump all over him for not playing the game- recess is no fun when you don't play the game.
The proper response from Obama is, "What? Are you guys eight years old?"
Unfortunately for the Right, America ha gotten areal good dose of what life under the Republicans is like.
4 buck a gallon gas.
Unaffordable health care.
Stagnant wages.
The US losing two wars.
The US losing a major city to indifference and incompetence.
The government jumping into private business at thebehest of religious extremists.
And a media filled with people stupider than themselves shouting insults, slurs and patent lies with nobody to tell the truth.
When I was a kid, the liberals were loud, dirty, angry , and filled the atmosphere with foul language, and Good decent Americans were turned off by them.
Well, now it's the Right filling the atmosphere with foul language, violating civility and decency. And they attack a man because of his name.
William F. Buckley died today. We might as well throw those other corpses in the grave with him: Conservative dialogue, Conservative dignity, and conservative intellectuality.
And over his grave the voices of Cunningham and Savage and Limbaugh and Coulter screech on.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:14 pmAnd isn’t JOHN also slang for, you know, “toilet� Can we “sink†this low?
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian — February 27, 2008 @ 12:45 pm
Sorry for the late reply, I was in the John, taking a Sidney.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:15 pmThe aqueduct?
Comment by belac
Sitting on a park bench. Eyeing little girls with bad intent.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:16 pmdon't start away uneasyl, trolls, can't you see it's only me?
Thing is Mr. Evil, is the right wing has been spoon fed hatred for the last 20 years. Look at the what this thread is about. Angry talk show hosts who are upset because McCain won't back them when they start attacking the opposition. I suppose it might signal a shift in politics, that means that perhaps instead of Partisan rhetoric we will get down the business of running this country. But I won't hold my breath.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:16 pmComment by pbg — February 27, 2008 @ 1:14 pm
don't forget the trolls. a poor legacy for a brilliant man.
whither va...?
February 27th, 2008 at 1:16 pmEvery goddamned time in the past 150 years that the Republicans have been in power (except for Eisenhower - the forgotten Republican, who would surely be swiftboated id he were running today), the Democrats have had to come in and fix the horrendous mess these incompetent, greedy bastards leave behind.
That's what the Government fixes, Biotch.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:17 pmMy oldest brother's middle name is Paul.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:17 pmOMG, is he Jewish? or just an Unperfected Tarsian?
Bushco has actually made the world a much more dangerous place for Americans. He stated an illegal war that has brought thousands if not millions of middle eastern people to hold the USA in extreme contempt. On the home front, he has damaged so many protections of our environment, he has damaged our financial security by refusing oversight of our Corporations, not to mention runaway spending in a fruitless, illegal, amoral war of his choosing to the point of bankrupting the USA. Republicans can NOT be trusted with national security. Well they can't be trusted with much of anything.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:18 pmMy view is that other government departments are forced to get by on far less than $450B a year, so why is the DoD any exception? Running the government, of course, requires funds, but that's why you also hire capable people who will give the taxpayer the biggest bang for the buck in the form of services. DoD can't seem to manage their excess pool of money well. Why should we continue to throw money at the problem and continue to be classified as "pro-terrorist", when we're simply pointing out gross fiscal responsibility? The returns to the people are lagging.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:18 pmOT: on William F. Buckley -- I very seldom agreed with him but his was an intellect one could respect. Buckley didn't typically resort to emotion to sell his arguments. They could stand on their own intellectual feet.
Contrast that with the current reigning "intellectual" of the Right, William the Bloody Kristol, and you can see how far the Right has fallen. Or even worse, The Doughy Pantload, Jonah Goldberg. oy.
I am sorry to see Mr. Buckley's passing.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:20 pmEvery goddamned time in the past 150 years that the Republicans have been in power (except for Eisenhower - the forgotten Republican, who would surely be swiftboated id he were running today), the Democrats have had to come in and fix the horrendous mess these incompetent, greedy bastards leave behind.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — February 27, 2008 @ 1:17 pm
the general is gone but his granddaughter carries on:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/01/AR2008020102621.html
they'll swift boat her soon, i'm sure.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:21 pmComment by pbg — February 27, 2008 @ 1:14 pm
Excellent comment.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:23 pmComment by joe cantwell — February 27, 2008 @ 1:21 pm
Thanks for that link, Joe.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:24 pmTYLER, Texas (AP) -- Republican presidential hopeful John McCain mocked Democrat Barack Obama on Wednesday for saying he would take action as president "if al-Qaida is forming a base in Iraq."
"When you examine that statement, it's pretty remarkable," McCain told a crowd in Tyler, Texas.
"I have some news. Al-Qaida is in Iraq. It's called `al-Qaida in Iraq,'" McCain said, drawing laughter at Obama's expense.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:24 pmShows how much neocons, conservatives and republicans in general actually care about REAL issues. If you won't digress to simpleton name calling then they turn on you too. That's all they have; insults. The trouble is that most democrats in congress cower to these tactics each and every day. All the while Bush plans another vacation with the same smirk on his face as he had when he was listening to My Pet Goat.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:24 pmit was a classy/smart move... Rush, et al would never understand such a thing...
February 27th, 2008 at 1:27 pmSorry for the late reply, I was in the John, taking a Sidney.
Comment by RUCerious — February 27, 2008 @ 1:15 pm
Well at least you didn't Cheney anybody.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:28 pm#160 Marcus Aurelius: As soon as the American voters stop believing in super macho posturing as the primary reason to put someone into the presidency then maybe they'll start to vote for actual scholars and people with integrity and real solutions to real problems.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:30 pmjust read that headline again...
Hate Radio Upset That John McCain Doesn’t Hate
As Much As They Do
great one!
February 27th, 2008 at 1:31 pmMy view is that other government departments are forced to get by on far less than $450B a year, so why is the DoD any exception?
Comment by McWars — February 27, 2008 @ 1:18 pm
I'm not sure where heard this, but I believe most government agencies get by on less than the DoD spends on marching bands.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:33 pmThanks for that link, Joe.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 27, 2008 @ 1:24 pm
yw, please pas it on. she has her grandfather's courage.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:33 pmAs soon as the American voters stop believing in super macho posturing as the primary reason to put someone into the presidency then maybe they’ll start to vote for actual scholars and people with integrity and real solutions to real problems.
Comment by Mr. Evil — February 27, 2008 @ 1:30 pm
Do you really think America is ready for polysyllabic campaign slogans?
February 27th, 2008 at 1:34 pmComment by ralph the wonder llama — February 27, 2008 @ 1:24 pm
and apparently it scared the hell out of va voter and gg. i guess they're gone for the day!
February 27th, 2008 at 1:35 pmI have never understood this unrealistic obsession of the right wing with the mythical big and intrusive government. Excuse me, but the most intrusive and damaging acts of "big" government that I have seen ever in my lifetime have ocurred over the past 7 years, lest we forget the Terry Schiavo bill and illegal and warrantless wiretapping of ALL phone communications in our country. It does not get any more abusive than just those two examples. Of course, there are plenty more.
Further, this tired chestnut that universal health care means the government chooses is nonsense. When I was at the SEC, my health plan was awesome, the same one I believe that members of Congress have, which if I am not mistaken is what HC and Barak Obama are advocating. There was plenty of choice for you.
That nitwits like Va Voter continue to advocate against their own self interests is breathtaking.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:37 pmand apparently it scared the hell out of va voter and gg. i guess they’re gone for the day!
Comment by joe cantwell — February 27, 2008 @ 1:35 pm
I heard it only scared Gigi. Va Voter had to go get another juice box.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:38 pmand apparently it scared the hell out of va voter and gg. i guess they’re gone for the day!
Comment by joe cantwell — February 27, 2008 @ 1:35 pm
Maybe the RNC gives them a lunch break. Wonder what you can afford to eat at 10 cents a post.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:39 pmI'm ready for anything other than republicans.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:43 pmComment by Shayne — February 27, 2008 @ 1:39 pm
10 cents a post?
judas got thirty pieces of silver.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:44 pmWhat has the government ever fixed?
Comment by VA Voter — February 27, 2008 @ 12:52 pm
For one, this administration Don Siegelman's trial.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:46 pmFor one, this administration FIXED Don Siegelman’s trial.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:47 pmComment by Saint Augustine — February 27, 2008 @ 1:47 pm
not to mention pre-war intel.
they fixed that good!
February 27th, 2008 at 1:49 pmComment by NoMoreBush — February 27, 2008 @ 1:37 pm
Well said.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:56 pmThey are just pandering to their audience. Hate radio, by definition, is radio for people who don't want to feel guilty, ashamed or morally bankrupt about the fact that they have bigoted, racist and or sexist sentiments. They are simply tired of denying and hiding their irrational fears and hatreds and derive a perverted psychological self-righteousness and comfort in knowing that there are others who are just as misguided, dysfunctional and spiritually empty as they are. For these people, it is easier to give in to their worst fears and basest hatreds than to recognize that they represent the most destructively malevolent elements of what mankind is capable of. These are the people who created and or enabled slavery, the Holocaust, the Killing Fields, Rwanda, Darfur and the pointless deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians. They are the voice and embodiment of evil incarnate. And they have no shame.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:59 pmWhat the GOP supports.
Illegally Spying on there Citizens
Bush and Hitler did it. The GOP supports it.
Torture, Kidnapping, Illegal Renditions
Bush and Hitler did it. The GOP supports it.
Illegal Invasion
Bush Check. Hitler Check. The GOP check.
Illegal War
Bush and Hitler got that covered. The GOP supports it.
Pass Laws that forgive lawbreakers. There lawbreakers that is.
Hitler did it. Bush did it for Scooby and wants to do it for the telecoms. Low and behold The GOP supports it.
Label and demonize a minority in there country.
The GOP have Mexicans Hitler had the Jews.
Lets not forget all Muslims are terrorist.
Participate in a Genocide.
Bush and Hitler are both in that club and the GOP supports it.
Can't make it in to the Fascist club with out mass death.
Run a campaign of fear requesting the Govt be given more control and the citizens less rights.
Bush Yup. Hitler Yup. GOP, Count them in.
Create a private Army.
Hitler had the Gestapo Bush has Blackwater.
They want to prosecute members of the free press for releasing stories on there illegal programs.
Bush and Hitler got that covered. The GOP supports it.
Steal Elections.
Bush and Hitler got that covered. The GOP supports it.
Scary isn't it
February 27th, 2008 at 1:59 pmLet's face it, Repukes always nominate a 75+ year old candidate when they know they're going to lose, so the candidate can have a happy ending to his political career with a run for the presidency. They know they lost, and that's why Hannity, Rush et all are so angry and frustrated.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:04 pmGood Morning Shayne and all, great post's today...RUCerious, Bravo on your post's...Had me in stitche's and now have to clean up the keyboard from the coffee spray....
Think the troll's will be able to eat a hearty lunch this month with all the dropping'si they dump at .10 a post...Maybe some big mac with unrecalled bad beef is in store...
Sad to hear about W.F. Buckley, didn't alway's agree with him but he was a very well educated man who's thought's and ideas were well worth listening to......Blessings all
February 27th, 2008 at 2:04 pm#3, you must be a reich wing lovin son of gun, you love to hate more anything I know, you hate LIBERTY, FREEDOM and JUSTICE FOR ALL .Our founding fathers Jefferson, Madison , Monroe , Franklin and of course every reich wingers favorite Thomas Paine did what they did to keep this country Free from tyranny and hate becuase of people like the reich wing.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:07 pmIf I start to make a lot of money, the government punishes me with taxes. How is that freedom?
Well look at little Horatio Alger here. Always leaping to the defense of the powerful and privileged.
Hey, VA Voter, they're never going to let you into their country club.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:07 pmNational security is a mandate of the Constitution. It’s the primary job of the government to protect is people.
Really?
See, the Constitution establishes these as the purposes of Government:
form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity
That's six. National security - aka "common defense" is one. And it's the only one not capitalized, which is the way you demonstrated emphasis in the 18th century.
So of the six reasons the founders gave for government, they ranked defense the least.
Sorry, but you fail at civics, VA Voter.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:10 pm#187 -- LANGX I -- you forgot the well-oiled propaganda machine Hitler had Goebbels and Bush had Rove, and lo and behold, the GOP supports Rove (well those who survived the 2006 elections).
February 27th, 2008 at 2:14 pmSo you like the “provide for the common defence†part of the Preamble, but not the “insure domestic Tranquility†or “promote the general Welfare†parts. Why is that?
Comment by toasterhead — February 27, 2008 @ 1:06 pm
The "Meatloaf" Republicans = "two outta three ain't good"
February 27th, 2008 at 2:14 pmAnd isn’t JOHN also slang for, you know, “toilet� Can we “sink†this low?
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian — February 27, 2008 @ 12:45 pm
Sorry for the late reply, I was in the John, taking a Sidney.
Comment by RUCerious — February 27, 2008 @ 1:15 pm
I, for one, never TAKE a Sidney - I always LEAVE a Sidney (and that includes McCain).
So, the answer is "yes, we can" sink this low. Good deal.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:18 pmTake it or leave it, it still doesn't smell like peach ice cream, those nasty Sidneys.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:25 pmAir America is “hate Radioâ€
Air America is truth radio. The truth to the GOOPers is hate.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:29 pmWhy is it o.k. to say “William Jefferson Clinton,†“Hillary Rodham Clinton,†“Franklin Delano Roosevelt,†etc…. but we must never, never, never, mention Barack Obama’s middle name. Why is he so ashamed of it? Maybe we should just call him “he who shall not be named.â€
The moronic troll misses the point that no one ever says "William Jefferson Clinton or Hillary Rodham Clinton". Also, Barak Obama is not ashamed of his middle name. He doesn't use it for the same reason that most people don't use their middle names, it's not necessary and it makes a name very long. It's the hate mongers life GG who use his middle name as an attempt to slur him and connect him to Islam.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:31 pmRUCerious - Is it McCain or McCan? John Sidney McCan, seeker to the "throne". ("Is there any Constitution left or do I have to resort to the Sears catalogue?")
February 27th, 2008 at 2:34 pmIt’s what draws them to together and gives them focus.
It seems to me like the GOOP looked around back in the 70’s, after Nixon crashed and burned and took the party down w/ him, and decided the best way to build a new power base was to cobble one together out of all these angry, alienated groups. So they adopted all these “causes†(guns, God, & Gays) that really don’t have anything to do w/ each other, and called it their “philosophyâ€, then invited each of these little constituencies into the party.
As a result, you had the “new and improved†GOOP of the 1980’s - a bunch of angry white guys united by their rage. And that’s why they’re in so much trouble these days. All that anger got them into power, but once there, they had no real plan or idea or basis for running the place. They just knew what they didn’t like, but not what to do, except continue bullying and, of course, STEAL like crazy.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 27, 2008 @ 11:46 am
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 27, 2008 @ 12:13 pm
Your mistake is in thinking that conservatives were elected only by those on the far right. Most of the people in this country are near the center. That's why you have shifts in power from Repub to Dem and back again. Those on the far left and far right seldom change. Those in the middle will move from one party to the other depending on the issues and candidates of the time. People are tired of the war, high gas prices, GOP scandals etc. So those in the middle are moving back to Dems for a change. It's foolish to think that a majority of people have suddenly had a major, permanent ideological shift. Christians didn't suddenly give up their religion or their opposition to homosexual marriage. They didn't suddenly decide that there is no need to be vigilant about religious freedom. They want the war to be over and to have a new slate of leaders who haven't yet been corrupted. People who value the second amendment didn't suddenly decide they don't want their guns anymore. They've decided there are more pressing issues and will still fight anyone who tries to take away their guns. Those in the center haven't suddenly accepted every claim of climate changers. They want the government to take steps to make companies clean up their messes and to develop alternative energy and to make responsible changes to protect our environment. Who would have thought after Nixon that we would have another Republican president after only 1 Democrat. Assuming that Dems sweep the elections, we will simply start a new cycle. Republicans have been the majority for a long time, so they have been the major targets of those seeking influence. When the Dems were in power previously, they were the focus and they will be again. Just as many moderates were forced to vote Repub by the liberal shift in the Dem party years ago, they are being forced back by extremes in the Repubs. After a few years with the Dems, the libs will have pushed too far to their extreme and moderates will move back.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:40 pmYou are mistaken good golly, this post is about how the far right radio fearmongers are mad at McCain for distancing himself from another far right radio fearmonger.
You really do have to pay more attention.
As for Barack Hussein Obama, if it makes you feel better use it. But be intelligent enough to know it's not his label of his accomplishments, or his hidden agenda. It's his middle name that was given to him by his father and nothing more.
Is this understood?
February 27th, 2008 at 2:43 pmUL - that would all be very interesting, were it not so, well, wrong.
your intense desire to prove someone "wrong" is clouding your judgement on the big-picture level.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:43 pmThese guys are morons, how does Obama's middle name have anything to do with anything? He was named well before 'Hussein' became associated with a tyrannical dictator. So what!
February 27th, 2008 at 2:44 pmMore government control over our personal lives.
Comment by VA Voter
And you don't consider our government spying on us, or it's ability to pluck us off the street if they want to, to be "control over our personal lives"? If not, you are seriously in need of some psychiatric help.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:44 pmJohn Sidney McCain III for President of the Waterboard Closet Guild,
February 27th, 2008 at 2:47 pm"where torture is nurture".
Why are you all so far off post? This was supposed to be about how it is o.k. for the Left to try to insult people by twisting their surnames (e.g. “McStain,†“Limpballs,†“Buschit,â€), etc… but it is not o.k. to use the actual name someone’s mama gave him.
Comment by good_golly — February 27, 2008 @ 2:38 pm
Perhaps Gigi can explain how this post was supposed to be about how it is o.k. for the Left to try to insult people by twisting their surnames?
Gigi, just because you try to twist things and you fail, doesn't mean that you get to accuse others of being "off post" when they don't swallow your bait.
Did my lengthy explanation at 12:30 not make sense to you? Or did you choose to ignore it because it perhaps made too much sense, thus jeopardizing your plan of attack?
February 27th, 2008 at 2:48 pmComment by good_golly — February 27, 2008 @ 2:47 pm
Does Gigi have a point that relates to anything anyone else has said in this thread?
No?
What a surprise.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:50 pmComment by hellinabucket — February 27, 2008 @ 2:43 pm
gg's funny, but stupid.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:50 pmComment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 2:40 pm
Gee, I seem to have hit a nerve for this one...
Anybody here speak Gibberish? I can't understand a word the poor feller is saying. Do we have a translator here today?
February 27th, 2008 at 2:51 pmgood_golly
YOU should get used to USING Barack Hussein Obama's name with the proper Protocol and connotation (did you ever look that fine word up in your Funk and Wagnels?) since he is almost certainly going to be the next President of the United States of America and he will indeed lead "honorably" and "solemnly".
February 27th, 2008 at 2:53 pmWhile taking the oath of office: “I, Barack Hussein Obama, do solemnly swear…â€
Comment by good_golly — February 27, 2008 @ 2:47 pm
I, for one, cannot wait to hear these words spoken next January. What a wonderful moment that will be.
And you've convinced me - I'm going to start referring to Senator Obama as Barack Hussein Obama from now on or until I forget. It's a beautiful Semitic name, and one he should be proud of. Just as Abraham Lincoln was proud of his Semitic name, and as Benjamin Franklin was proud of his Semitic name, and as John Adams and Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were proud of their Semitic names.
More in Juan Cole's excellent column today: http://www.juancole.com/2008/02/barack-hussein-obama-omar-bradley.html
February 27th, 2008 at 2:54 pmAgreed joe.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:54 pmAnybody here speak Gibberish? I can’t understand a word the poor feller is saying. Do we have a translator here today?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 27, 2008 @ 2:51 pm
"Gibberish," by the way, is an Arabic-derived word.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:55 pmUL - that would all be very interesting, were it not so, well, wrong.
your intense desire to prove someone “wrong†is clouding your judgement on the big-picture level.
Comment by tombaker — February 27, 2008 @ 2:43 pm
I have no desire to prove anyone wrong. He simply is wrong. He includes Christians in his "angry, alienated groups." They happen to be the majority in this country and could pass any legislation they chose to if they voted as a block. But they are a diverse group, including people from all areas of the political spectrum. There are even a few here. The majority of people are and will contine to be moderates, not hard left or hard right.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:56 pmI would like to modestly refer Gigi to my post of 12:41, in which I embraced the prospect of a president named "Hussein", not least for the delicious irony of seeing Dubya hand over the keys to a so-named successor.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:57 pmgreat link toasterhead. Barack Hussein Obama, the next president of the United States of America.
Does have a nice ring to it.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:59 pmGigi, my post hardly "flies in the face of proper Protocol" since your original sad little question had nothing to do with Protocol and everything to do common usage.
Of course, now that you spent a few hours searching the net and found what you think is a winning stroke, you move the goalposts.
Good thing you had those wheels installed on them.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:00 pmComment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 2:40 pm
Can't imagine why this twit thinks he disproved my point... ;-D!!!
February 27th, 2008 at 3:01 pmWill Barack “whose middle name shall not be named†Obama ask for this Protocol to be re-written just for him?
Comment by good_golly — February 27, 2008 @ 2:55 pm
No. He's going to speak the words "I, Barack Hussein Obama, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
That sounded so good. I'm going to write that again.
"I, Barack Hussein Obama, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Yup, it really does get better every time.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:01 pmJohn Sidney McCain III for President.
Comment by good_golly — February 27, 2008 @ 2:55 pm
keep rubbing that lamp, gg.
maybe you'll get a pony too!
February 27th, 2008 at 3:02 pmComment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 2:40 pm
Gee, I seem to have hit a nerve for this one…
Anybody here speak Gibberish? I can’t understand a word the poor feller is saying. Do we have a translator here today?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 27, 2008 @ 2:51 pm
Sorry bud, just pointing out what is obvious to independents but seems difficult for ideologues to understand. Hence, your confusion. ;)
February 27th, 2008 at 3:02 pmgreat link toasterhead. Barack Hussein Obama, the next president of the United States of America.
Does have a nice ring to it.
Comment by hellinabucket — February 27, 2008 @ 2:59 pm
Perhaps sometimes I'll change it up and translate it from Arabic. "Senator Blessed Little Beauty Obama." Whaddya think?
February 27th, 2008 at 3:03 pmComment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 2:40 pm
Can’t imagine why this twit thinks he disproved my point… ;-D!!!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 27, 2008 @ 3:01 pm
The reason you can't imagine is contained in your user name, bud. I was really trying to avoid it after all this time, but you just make it so inviting. ;)
February 27th, 2008 at 3:07 pmBarak: Means "lightning" in Hebrew. This was the name of a military commander in the Old Testament
Hussein: Means "beauty" in Arabic.
President Barack Hussein Obama, the "beautiful" President and Commander In Chief of "America the Beautiful" whose "lightning" will cleanse the political and social air of our once and future great country.
Yep, toasterhead, you're right. It sounds better and better. And I hope he uses the Constitution to lay his hand on when he gives the oath of office.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:09 pmSorry bud, just pointing out what is obvious to independents but seems difficult for ideologues to understand. Hence, your confusion. ;)
Comment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 3:02 pm
Sorry, "bud" but yer still talking out the wrong orifice. Perhaps you better acquaint yourself w/ the writings and work of Kevin Phillips before you go shooting off yer mouth...
From Wiki:
In American politics, the Southern strategy refers to methods of winning elections in the South by exploiting racial anxiety among white voters.
Although the phrase "Southern strategy" is often attributed to Richard Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips, he did not originate it,[1] but merely popularized it.[2] In an interview included in a 1970 New York Times article, he touched on its essence:
From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."[3]
While Phillips was concerned with polarizing ethnic voting in general, and not just with winning the white South, this was by far the biggest prize yielded by his approach. Its success began at the presidential level, gradually trickling down to statewide offices, the Senate and House, as legacy segregationist Democrats retired or switched to the GOP.
The strategy suffered a brief apparent reversal following Watergate, with broad support for the Southern Democrat Jimmy Carter in the 1976 election. But with Ronald Reagan kicking off his 1980 presidential campaign proclaiming support for "states' rights" in Philadelphia, Mississippi, the site of the murder of three civil rights workers in 1964's Freedom Summer, the Southern Strategy was back to stay. Although another Southern Democrat, Bill Clinton, would twice be elected President, winning a handful of Southern states, he did better outside the South, and would have won without carrying any Southern state.
From 1948 to 1984 the Southern states, traditionally a stronghold for the Democrats, became key swing states, providing the popular vote margins in the 1960, 1968 and 1976 elections. During this era, several Republican candidates expressed support for states' rights, which was a signal of opposition to federal civil rights legislation for blacks.[4]
Hardly sounds like "moderates' swinging one way or the other, "bud".
More like the NASCAR crowd supporting anyone who runs on "God, Guns, and Gays..."
Back to you, Downright Wrongie... :-D!
February 27th, 2008 at 3:11 pmThe reason you can’t imagine is contained in your user name, bud. I was really trying to avoid it after all this time, but you just make it so inviting. ;)
Comment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 3:07 pm
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still avoiding the question as usual, ul. your main pont sits between your ears, as always.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:34 pmJebus, goony, yer just retarded, aren't you?
February 27th, 2008 at 3:38 pmFrom Wiki:
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 27, 2008 @ 3:11 pm
Well, dang, bud, why didn't you tell me you had Wiki backing you up? I take it all back! ;)
Seriously, though, you believe all that? You think Reagan, Bush and Bush were elected because of racial differences? C'mon, even you don't actually believe that. It's 2008, bud. Race is much less important these days. Perhaps you've noticed that there is a black candidate who is doing well among white folks. Doesn't sound like a lot of white folks are worried about him, now does it. And it isn't just the south that has been voting Repub. You're really reaching on that one.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:44 pmAs for the NASCAR reference, I thought it had been established on another thread that NASCAR folks tend to be the working class people that progs claim to care so much about. You remember them, right? You really ought not to slam them if you use them in your arguments for your positions. Folks might think you are a little hypocritical. ;)
Perhaps you’ve noticed that there is a black candidate who is doing well among white folks.
Comment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 3:44 pm
So white Democrats voting for a black candidate demonstrates the lack of racism among Republicans?
Explain that one to me again?
February 27th, 2008 at 3:46 pmSo white Democrats voting for a black candidate demonstrates the lack of racism among Republicans?
Explain that one to me again?
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 27, 2008 @ 3:46 pm
You didn't realize that Obama has support among people who voted for Bush? Again, the failure of ideologues to recognize that many people vote for the candidate rather than the party.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:55 pmYou didn’t realize that Obama has support among people who voted for Bush? Again, the failure of ideologues to recognize that many people vote for the candidate rather than the party.
Comment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 3:55 pm
WTF are you talking about? You're trying to claim that Republicans aren't the racists that they appear to be, and to bolster your point you're using the results of Democratic primaries.
Wow. Just wow.
February 27th, 2008 at 4:00 pmUL, If race isn't that important as of late why did Rove use the slur against McCain's adopted child in South Carolina in the 2000 primaries? Has it made that much of an advancement in 8 years?
February 27th, 2008 at 4:02 pmWTF are you talking about? You’re trying to claim that Republicans aren’t the racists that they appear to be, and to bolster your point you’re using the results of Democratic primaries.
Wow. Just wow.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 27, 2008 @ 4:00
There are racists in the Rupublican party just as there are in the Democratic party. Among those on the far right, there is more racism. You fail to understand that the majority of Americans aren't hard right or left. The majority of Americans have voted Republican in the last few elections prior to 2006. Remember the Repub majority that you are so upset about? That same majority of Americans are now moving back to the Dems out of frustration with the Republicans. You see only those who always vote
February 27th, 2008 at 4:15 pmRepub or Dem. There is a large group of moderate Americans who have voted for both. Mostly those who were driven out of the Democratic party years ago.
UL, If race isn’t that important as of late why did Rove use the slur against McCain’s adopted child in South Carolina in the 2000 primaries? Has it made that much of an advancement in 8 years?
Comment by hellinabucket — February 27, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
Do you consider Rove and far right Republicans to be representative of the majority of Americans? I didn't say racism doesn't exist. If the majority of Americans still held the same racial views as they did in the seventies, Obama wouldn't be beating Clinton.
February 27th, 2008 at 4:27 pmYou fail to understand that the majority of Americans aren’t hard right or left.
Comment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 4:15 pm
Sorry, but you assume that I "fail to understand that the majority of Americans aren't hard right or hard left". My replies to you said nothing about whether I understand that rather facile truism or not.
Your discussion had turned to one of racism in contemporary American politics. Here is your argument to which i was responding:
You think Reagan, Bush and Bush were elected because of racial differences? C’mon, even you don’t actually believe that. It’s 2008, bud. Race is much less important these days. Perhaps you’ve noticed that there is a black candidate who is doing well among white folks. Doesn’t sound like a lot of white folks are worried about him, now does it. And it isn’t just the south that has been voting Repub. You’re really reaching on that one.
You mention Republican presidential election winners and then link the "racism is less important these days" claim to evidence that Obama is doing very well among white voters.
The only problem with your argument is, Obama is doing very well with white DEMOCRATIC voters. Democrats, being the overwhelming party of choice for black Americans, these results hardly say a word about the racial preferences and prejudices of Republican voters, who have been known to fall prey to racially-charged tactics in general elections (Nixon's Southern Strategy, as pointed out, not to mention the McCain "black baby" smear in 2000 and the anti-Harold Ford playmate ad in '06).
My point was that you can't take the results of Democratic primaries and use them to demonstrate the moderate nature of Republican racial attitudes. It just doesn't work.
Unless, of course, you're seeking to obscure the unseemly racial history of the GOP and take credit for the more tolerant Democratic attitude toward race.
February 27th, 2008 at 4:31 pmDo you consider Rove and far right Republicans to be representative of the majority of Americans?
Comment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
No, but they sure are representative of the contemporary Republican Party.
Hence the dramatic shift in voter registrations to the D side.
February 27th, 2008 at 4:32 pmIs UL distancing himself from the republican party of the last 8 years?
The dirty tricks of Rove is a major reason Bush was elected and now you want to wash yourself clean of this. It's going to take a lot of soap.
A lot.
February 27th, 2008 at 4:47 pmNo attention should be paid to LIMBAUGH, who is just a COWARD!
Coward? Yes, COWARD! He doesn't take any call from other listeners than those who support HIS thinking. He is afraid of any open discussion about the issues.
Limbaugh is a BRAIN-WASHER who keeps doing his stuff hidding behind a microphone without allowing any oppositional/disagreeing thourhts to be presented.
SEAN HANNITY is just another imbecil that invites people to his program I don't know why. Those who disagree with him will not be allowed to finish their thoughts. He cuts them off in the middle of each sentence. Just observe his tactics. I am amazed that nobody has challenged his behavior on this. If he ever invites me to his show (not a chance...) I will call him on that!
February 27th, 2008 at 4:51 pm"I think you mean “they are being intelligently designed into a subhuman breed.â€
Comment by toasterhead — February 27, 2008 @ 12:42 pm
No, I meant evolved but on retrospect, I think I might have actually meant "devolved" because they are really ass-backwards.
Their whole push for "Intelligent Design" is just more proof.
February 27th, 2008 at 5:05 pmComment by ralph the wonder llama — February 27, 2008 @ 4:31 pm
I assumed you had read all the previous comments. ROS made a silly statement about those who have voted Repub since the 1980's. I pointed out his error and he posted that whole "racism was responsible for all Republican presidents since Nixon" thing. That was also foolish. I then pointed out the fact that seems so difficult for some libs to acknowledge. There were a large number of people who had previously voted Dem who voted for Republicans beginning with Reagan because the Dem party had moved so far left. Those people have continued to vote for candidates of both parties. Many of those people are voting for Obama in the Dem primaries. Many of those people still consider themselves Republicans and are also considering voting for Obama.
February 27th, 2008 at 5:55 pmI don't make excuses for racism on the part of Dems or Repubs and I take credit and blame only for positions and views that I hold.
Is UL distancing himself from the republican party of the last 8 years?
The dirty tricks of Rove is a major reason Bush was elected and now you want to wash yourself clean of this. It’s going to take a lot of soap.
A lot.
Comment by hellinabucket — February 27, 2008 @ 4:47 pm
I had nothing to do with Rove's tricks. Do you take responsibility for every Democratic scandal because you are a Democrat? If a policy that I support fails, I accept responsibility for that support. I don't accept responsibility for the actions of others that I have not supported.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:04 pmDo you consider Rove and far right Republicans to be representative of the majority of Americans?
Comment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
No, but they sure are representative of the contemporary Republican Party.
Hence the dramatic shift in voter registrations to the D side.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 27, 2008 @ 4:32
Those would be the people that I have been referring to as voting for the candidate, not the party.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:08 pmThose would be the people that I have been referring to as voting for the candidate, not the party.
Comment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 6:08 pm
yeah,m I figured you would go there. Unfortunately, your argument about moderates has little to nothing to do with the inherent racism in the core of the Republican party. The elections of Reagan and both Bushes were not due solely to racist appeals, and no one said they were. But racist tactics, when used in general elections, invariably are used for the benefit of Republican candidates.
Of course there are moderates in both parties, and their swings determine the outcomes of elections. But wherever racism plays a part in campaigning or election results, it's a pretty good bet that Republicans are behind it and/or have benefited from it.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:19 pmThat's precious ralph, Upright Loser writes these long posts and thinks everybody here is going to read anything he has to say.
What's your middle name UL, Biggest? That would make you the Upright Biggest Loser, wouldn't it.
Barack Hussein Obama, get used to it. But start saving now because I don't think you'll be getting that troll pay much longer.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:24 pmThose would be the people that I have been referring to as voting for the candidate, not the party.
Comment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 6:08 pm
yeah,m I figured you would go there. Unfortunately, your argument about moderates has little to nothing to do with the inherent racism in the core of the Republican party. The elections of Reagan and both Bushes were not due solely to racist appeals, and no one said they were. But racist tactics, when used in general elections, invariably are used for the benefit of Republican candidates.
Of course there are moderates in both parties, and their swings determine the outcomes of elections. But wherever racism plays a part in campaigning or election results, it’s a pretty good bet that Republicans are behind it and/or have benefited from it.
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 27, 2008 @ 6:19
I acknowledged that there are racists among the hard right. What's so difficult about that? Do you think I'm somehow defending those people?
I didn't suggest the racism factor in past elections, ROS did.
"Of course there are moderates in both parties, and their swings determine the outcomes of elections."
That was the whole point of my original comment.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:31 pm“Of course there are moderates in both parties, and their swings determine the outcomes of elections.â€
That was the whole point of my original comment.
Comment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 6:31 pm
Not a very profound concept.
But why demonstrate it with the results of Democratic primaries?
February 27th, 2008 at 6:50 pmI'm certainly proud of my middle name, Ulysses.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:54 pmComment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 6:31 pm
Is this fool ever NOT full of crap???
February 27th, 2008 at 8:37 pmFolks might think you are a little hypocritical. ;)
Comment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 3:44 pm
Of course, some folks might think you're a clueless *sshole... "bud"... ;-D!
February 27th, 2008 at 8:38 pmBoy, el rushbo sure is getting awfully fat again!
February 27th, 2008 at 9:04 pmThere is another take on this that slaps Cunningham around quite a lot and its written by a conservative former radio program director/general manager. Its Bill Cunningham v. Civil Discourse at http://www.phxnews.com/fullstory.php?article=57097
February 27th, 2008 at 10:09 pm“Of course there are moderates in both parties, and their swings determine the outcomes of elections.â€
That was the whole point of my original comment.
Comment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 6:31 pm
Not a very profound concept.
But why demonstrate it with the results of Democratic primaries?
Comment by ralph the wonder llama — February 27, 2008 @ 6:50 pm
Not profound in the least. Just a simple fact that seems to elude ROS and others here. No relation to the Dem primary. That came from ROS's insertion of the essay on how race was the deciding factor in Republican wins since Nixon. I agree that had no place here.
February 27th, 2008 at 11:34 pmFolks might think you are a little hypocritical. ;)
Comment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 3:44 pm
Of course, some folks might think you’re a clueless *sshole… “budâ€â€¦ ;-D!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 27, 2008 @ 8:38 pm
No valid response, bud? At least you are consistent. ;)
February 27th, 2008 at 11:43 pmBoy, el rushbo sure is getting awfully fat again!
Comment by GL2814 — February 27, 2008 @ 9:04 pm
i noticed that. diabetes, cancer, early death. bye rush.
February 28th, 2008 at 12:00 amNo valid response, bud? At least you are consistent. ;)
Comment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 11:43 pm
More projection, and no valid response, at least you're consistent and stupid! ;)
February 28th, 2008 at 1:09 amNot profound in the least. Just a simple fact that seems to elude ROS and others here. No relation to the Dem primary. That came from ROS’s insertion of the essay on how race was the deciding factor in Republican wins since Nixon. I agree that had no place here.
Comment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 11:34 pm
What, the TRUTH that REPUBLICANS ARE RACIST has NO PLACE HERE? ROTFL! No, what has NO PLACE ANYWHERE IN THIS COUNTRY are RACIST LITTLE PIGGIES LIKE YOU! ;)
February 28th, 2008 at 1:10 amI acknowledged that there are racists among the hard right. What’s so difficult about that? Do you think I’m somehow defending those people?
I didn’t suggest the racism factor in past elections, ROS did.
“Of course there are moderates in both parties, and their swings determine the outcomes of elections.â€
That was the whole point of my original comment.
Comment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 6:31 pm
Unfortunately, the REPUBLICAN BASE are ALL HARD RIGHT like YOU - MORON! ;)
February 28th, 2008 at 1:10 amThere were a large number of people who had previously voted Dem who voted for Republicans beginning with Reagan because the Dem party had moved so far left.
Comment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 5:55 pm
ROTFL!! That's SO WRONG, and you're SO FULL OF SH*T!! All you pointed out, is HOW STUPID YOU ARE!! ;)
Those people have continued to vote for candidates of both parties. Many of those people are voting for Obama in the Dem primaries. Many of those people still consider themselves Republicans and are also considering voting for Obama.
I don’t make excuses for racism on the part of Dems or Repubs and I take credit and blame only for positions and views that I hold.
Comment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 5:55 pm
That's because they HOPE HE'LL BE NOMINATED so they can SWIFT BOAT HIM! Sorry, but MANY OF US KNOW that MANY OF THE REPUBLICAN BIGOTS have been HOPING OBAMA IS NOMINATED because you TARDS WILL NEVER VOTE FOR A BLACK MAN! YOU LITTLE PIGGIE BIGOT! ;)
February 28th, 2008 at 1:13 amSo I'll help you out Downright MORON!
The centrality of race — and, in particular, of the switch of Southern whites from overwhelming support of Democrats to overwhelming support of Republicans — is obvious from voting data.
For example, everyone knows that white men have turned away from the Democrats over God, guns, national security and so on. But what everyone knows isn’t true once you exclude the South from the picture. As the political scientist Larry Bartels points out, in the 1952 presidential election 40 percent of non-Southern white men voted Democratic; in 2004, that figure was virtually unchanged, at 39 percent.
So there you have it TARD, the SOUTHERN REDNECKS and REPUBLICAN RACISM are the ONLY REASON REPUBLICANS WIN PRESIDENCIES!
February 28th, 2008 at 1:16 am#244 - "There were a large number of people who had previously voted Dem who voted for Republicans beginning with Reagan because the Dem party had moved so far left." Comment by upright left — February 27, 2008 @ 5:55 pm
I agree with your assessment that a large number of previous Democrattic voters did vote for Reagan. I disagree with your assessment for why they did so. The right-whiners of the time began targeting "liberal" and worked their a$$es off to get people to assume it meant "bad". They succeeded by lying about what being libeal truly means.
Now, it's up to liberals to prove that the "conservative values" include:
1 - lying to go to war for oil
2 - power over personal responsibility
3 - screw everyone else as long as they get the money
4 - using wedge-politics to divide the nation
5 - fiscal irresponsibility on a scale that would make the Soviet Union blush in shame
Basically, the truth about conservativism will offset the lies told about liberalism.
February 28th, 2008 at 6:46 amThat’s precious ralph, Upright Loser writes these long posts and thinks everybody here is going to read anything he has to say.
What’s your middle name UL, Biggest? That would make you the Upright Biggest Loser, wouldn’t it.
Barack Hussein Obama, get used to it. But start saving now because I don’t think you’ll be getting that troll pay much longer.
Comment by Shayne — February 27, 2008 @ 6:24 pm
Actually, you are among the group I would expect not to read a post that is contrary to your views since you've made your mind up and no other thoughts are getting through.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:52 pmAnd I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I don't have a problem with President Obama, with or without Hussein. Since McCain is the Repub nominee, that's not an option. There's not much difference between Obama and Clinton and having a black president might help in race relations, so he might be the best choice. ;)
C’mon hate, do some research before you go off on your little tirades. Had you checked out some election results maps, you’d know that the 1952 data don’t explain results since 1980. Otherwise, the nation was half southern rednecks and Repub racist in ’60 but almost all Dem in ’64. The racist majority was back in ’68 and overwhelming in ’72. In ’76, the racists were back to half, but the south all went Dem. Guess the southern rednecks all moved west for that election. In 1980-1988 elections, the whole nation was racist again. In ’92 and ’96, racists are less than half, but some of the southern rednecks were still gone since some of the south voted Dem. Yeah, I guess your last statement was right after all:
"So there you have it TARD, the SOUTHERN REDNECKS and REPUBLICAN RACISM are the ONLY REASON REPUBLICANS WIN PRESIDENCIES!"
Comment by republicans hate facts — February 28, 2008 @ 1:16 am
I defer to your obvious knowledge and wisdom, bud. ;)
February 28th, 2008 at 2:56 pmI agree with your assessment that a large number of previous Democrattic voters did vote for Reagan. I disagree with your assessment for why they did so. The right-whiners of the time began targeting “liberal†and worked their a$$es off to get people to assume it meant “badâ€. They succeeded by lying about what being libeal truly means.
Now, it’s up to liberals to prove that the “conservative values†include:
1 - lying to go to war for oil
2 - power over personal responsibility
3 - screw everyone else as long as they get the money
4 - using wedge-politics to divide the nation
5 - fiscal irresponsibility on a scale that would make the Soviet Union blush in shame
Basically, the truth about conservativism will offset the lies told about liberalism.
Comment by Democrat Soldier — February 28, 2008 @ 6:46 am
Your acknowledgment that previous Dem voters voted for Reagan is unusual here. Do you really think the only reason was that lib views were misrepresented? Do you think it had nothing to do with dissatisfaction with Carter's policies and his failure to do anything about the hostages?
February 28th, 2008 at 3:18 pmI agree that the greed of Republicans can often have more serious consequences for the country than the greed of Dems since Repubs tend to control industries.
As for your list of conservative values, they fit too many of the Repubs currently in power, but you well know that list is not representative of the average conservative American.
This is HATE internet blog!
February 29th, 2008 at 1:41 amThere are racists in the Rupublican party just as there are in the Democratic party. Among those on the far right, there is more racism. You fail to understand that the majority of Americans aren’t hard right or left. The majority of Americans have voted Republican in the last few elections prior to 2006. Remember the Repub majority that you are acer btp-67em battery,acer btp-55e3 battery so upset about? That same majority of Americans are now moving back to the Dems out of frustration with the Republicans. You see only those who always vote
October 15th, 2008 at 3:26 amRepub or Dem. There is a large group of moderate Americans who have voted for both. Mostly those who were driven out of the Democratic party years ago.