FLASHBACK: Five Years Ago, Wolfowitz And Rumsfeld Were ‘Off The Mark’ On Troop Levels
FLASHBACK: Five Years Ago, Wolfowitz And Rumsfeld Were ‘Off The Mark’ On Troop Levels
In the run-up to war in Iraq in early 2003, General Eric Shinseki testified to the Senate Armed Services Committee that it would take “several hundred thousand soldiers” to secure Iraq:
I would say that what’s been mobilized to this point, something on the order of several hundred thousand soldiers, are probably, you know, a figure that would be required. We’re talking about post-hostilities control over a piece of geography that’s fairly significant with the kinds of ethnic tensions that could lead to other problems.
Just two days later — and exactly five years ago today — then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, swiftly and infamously dismissed Shinseki’s assessment:
Rumsfeld: What is, I think reasonably certain, is the idea that it would take several hundred thousand U.S. forces, I think, is far from the mark. [2/27/03]
Wolfowitz: But some of the higher-end predictions that we have been hearing recently, such as the notion that it will take several hundred thousand U.S. troops to provide stability in post-Saddam Iraq, are wildly off the mark. First, it’s hard to conceive that it would take more forces to provide stability in post-Saddam Iraq than it would take to conduct the war itself and to secure the surrender of Saddam’s security forces and his army. Hard to imagine. [2/27/03]
Watch Shinseki’s testimony, followed by reactions from Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz (via The Invasion of Iraq by PBS’s Frontline):
In a disastrous miscalculation, the Bush administration embraced Wolfowitz’s logic. Last year, however, Gen. John Abizaid admitted, “General Shinseki was right.” Five years after the invasion of Iraq, 157,000 troops remain deployed in Iraq. In August, the number of U.S. troops in Iraq peaked to its highest level — 162,000. Because of this strain, the Army is now stretched to a breaking point.
Despite these lessons, the right wing refuses to take off its rose-colored glasses. Yesterday on the Senate floor, Sen. Lindsay Graham said that the United States is “well on our way” to victory in Iraq. Earlier this week, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) claimed that the “war will be over soon.”
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Let’s make sure these two are among the first hanging from the gibbet at den Hague.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:56 pmTwo other points to mention here.
From the article:
“In August, the number of U.S. troops in Iraq peaked to its highest level — 162,000″
Also remember, we have more contractors in country than troops. So, 5 years later, we have over 360,000 on the ground assets.
Also from the article:
Earlier this week, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) claimed that the “war will be over soon.â€
Is this the same John McCain that just recently stated we could be there for 100 years? The same McCain that compares Iraq to Germany and Japan? By the way, I’ve never been to Japan, and I’ve only passed through Germany. But I spent over a year in Iraq, and it is nothing at all like Japan or Germany. I could write a book on the differences.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:02 pmThe Times Of London had an interesting picture on their front page:
It shows an Englishman being sucked down into Mesopotamia quicksand and he has a 50,000,000 pound note price tag attached to his arm.
It’s from a December 1922 edition.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:02 pmNO ONE could have predicted that Iraq would require such a large troop presence to maintain stablity… except of course the Generals… and casual observers… and the drunken homeless man who warned me about the hundreds of thousands of troops needed to secure Iraq… and pretty much everyone with a brain…
February 27th, 2008 at 7:03 pmHard to imagine how these two nutcases came to wield so much power…
Wolfowitz also testified that the cost of the war will be small around thirty billion dollars and the Iraqi oil will pay for it.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:04 pmF#cking warhawks.
And, yet, there exists people that thinks that pacifists are naïves. Pacifists know that no war is never won without too much sacrifices, but every few years, some wannabes macho, idiotic, jingoist politicians with too much power decide to start a war without even considering the full consequences. A couple of years after, everything shows up being the messy embroil that the pacifist predicted. And who is the naïf, the fool, the stupid now?
February 27th, 2008 at 7:07 pmFive years and where are these sullied men now? In hiding? Wolfie, the disgraced bank crook and Rummy off in hiding as the worst Defense Secretary ever in the history of this country. Two deluded sycophantic idiots whose judgment was impaired by their fascist ideology.
As for the 360,000 troop assets we have, let’s do the math…..if 140,000 belong to the US Military, then who the hell do the other 220,000 belong to? Blackwater Mercenaries, no doubt. How much budget money (John Edwards and the newly formed watchdog group - hope your listening) is currently being siphoned through Blackwater?
Taxation without representation, I’d say. The People (and Congress) are actually clueless because this is the most secretive administration in our history. The fact that congress is clueless just makes them look incompetent; when, in reality, the Bush Criminal Cabal has been obstructing justice all the way - every investigation. At least they’re consistent - consistently criminal!
February 27th, 2008 at 7:09 pmWith Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld so wrong, how come they haven’t signed on as Fux Newz analysists?
February 27th, 2008 at 7:11 pmSomeday the people will finally get the last word on these Neofascist warhawks - They will be shackled and marched around Washington like the treasonous criminals whom they are. I don’t believe that Rumsfeld has that much time left. The last time anyone saw him he looked very gray (Grecian formula no more??) and very, very gaunt.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:11 pmCarol Lynsey Graham is becoming such an easy target. There’s plenty of dirt being dished on him, his personal life, and some of the insider trading which he’s done while in Congress. I find it uncanny how these guilty ones begin to press themselves into the public eye even more JUST before they fall. It’s almost like they’re tempting fate. Be careful what you ask for (limelight) Carol Lynsey because you’re sure to get your wish.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:14 pmthere is a difference between the phrase “securing Iraq”, and the ever popular phrase, the “War in Iraq”.
The war….we achieved success many years ago.
As for securing Iraq….not so much.
Why do the pols continue to use the phrase “War in Iraq”, when what our role is, more purely, is one of occupation? Ending the “Occupation of Iraq” should be the theme.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:15 pmHappy 5th anniversary, Halfowitz.
General Shinseki kicked both of your asses, and now you’re both out of work.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:16 pmComment by belac
February 27th, 2008 at 7:17 pmYou forgot 5 deferment dicks prediction that it would be a QUAGMIRE…WITH PIECES FLYING OFF.
I guess $$$$ for Halliburton proved more important than human lives,huh?
belac: If I’m being honest, I am seriously wondering if you’ve been residing under a rock for the past 7 years? EVERYONE KNEW that the liars who were spinning this war were lying in our faces. Ye, of such lockstep blind faith desiring to believe the very ones who have deceived you - shame on you. I still haven’t sized you up. Either you’re mentally incapacitated to some degree or just plain “stoopid”.
When you speak for the rest of us, incidentally, some of us consider it very grave and ignorant boundary violation. Just because YOU may have had no idea about the cost, duration, and mess we’ve put ourselves into in Iraq, certainly doesn’t mean that more astute and educated individuals knew precisely what was going to occur.
And, guess what, for the record, it didn’t take a crystal ball either.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:18 pm#3 badmoodrisingman ~ perfecto. Those who are too fu(king stupid to read their history lessons are doomed to repeat them. At our expense.
Hey! Bush! I’m talking about YOU!
February 27th, 2008 at 7:19 pmTROLL ALERT: BELAC IS A VERY TYPICAL ‘CONCERN TROLL’ - These trolls can be identified by the not-so-subtle pandering they do to the left while attempting to implant a morsel of half-truth to total untruth wrapped within the vessel of ignorance.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:19 pmUm… satirev, belac was using uh, er, satire>
February 27th, 2008 at 7:20 pmHeh. It’s just one of those days. ;)
February 27th, 2008 at 7:21 pmOh, Z, you irrepressible blogladyofthenight!!
February 27th, 2008 at 7:22 pm‘HEAR THAT SUCKING SOUND?’ It’s a quagmire called Iraq. EVERYONE (except the neofascistas who thought they’d gain control of the country and get rich off their oil wells) knew this war was illegal and doomed from the outset.
Hear that sucking sound from your bank account and wallet? It’s called BUSH’S Iraq War. He will own it down through history and, like we have done when we hear about how the people permitted Hitler to corrupt them into silence, future generations will be thinking that very thing about us.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:22 pmFuture generations will be shaking their heads in total incredulity saying: Why didn’t they stop this madman?
February 27th, 2008 at 7:23 pmOh, Z, you irrepressible blogladyofthenight!!
Comment by RUCerious — February 27, 2008 @ 7:22 pm
Oy, such a diplomat. :-D
February 27th, 2008 at 7:24 pmRU: He may have been but I’ve also read some very dim-witted posts from him, too.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:24 pmsatirev, our grandkids will be paying off the debt we’re racking up to finance this debacle.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:25 pmHistory will judge us, as a nation, harshly.
I’ll reserve judgment on Belac then if you say so. I’m not convinced though but will take your word for it.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:25 pmUm… satirev, belac was using uh, er, satire>
Comment by RUCerious — February 27, 2008 @ 7:20 pm
satire> but NOT satirev, thus the confustion
February 27th, 2008 at 7:25 pmComment by satirev — February 27, 2008 @ 7:24 pm
February 27th, 2008 at 7:25 pmYeah, but I’ve also read some very dim-witted posts from me, too!!!
[;>}
Fair warning, this will be controversial.
I don’t know if it was good or bad that they miscalculated so badly. It was horrific to American troops who were placed in harms way for no reason but to steal Iraqi oil - and worse yet, pulling needed troops from Afghanistan and sending them to this unnecessary quagmire. No doubt about that. But it was also good that the grand PNAC mission (of which Rummy and Wolfie are members) was (hopefully) laid to rest (forever? One hopes!) That is not the America I grew up in nor the one I want to live in; one where we go anywhere in the world and take what we want because we need it.
That’s just wrong.
How do we tell our children that they can’t go kill someone because they want their designer sneakers when our government is doing the same thing?
The costs - and I hope legacy - for and of these neocons to try to attain world domination at the cost to everyone (but cronies, the MIC, and the uber wealthy) here in the US and many abroad are laid solely at their feet. I hope they all wind up at den Hague (I need a trip to Holland anyway…and I will be cheerleading on the side at those tribunals!) for they have done so much damage to so many people.
It’s a shame that the average American has to pay for these a$$ho!es in how the world views us, our newfound lack of moral compass, our economy, christ, the list could go on forever.
FYI…I don’t respond to trolls. You are persona non grata.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:26 pmRU: It troubles me deeply to think that future americans will analogize us with the people who could have stopped Hitler but who did not. It really troubles my soul.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:26 pmConfustion says, watch what you say, it may be coming out of your mouth!
February 27th, 2008 at 7:26 pmI wonder how many times on TP that I’ve called anyone within the Bush Administration “delusional?” OK, one more time…
February 27th, 2008 at 7:27 pmI am reminded of Aspergers. These are clearly intelligent people but are lacking in emotions.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:27 pmMs_Joanne - Very well stated. I think most people concur with you wholeheartedly and the fact is that this plan was hatched by the treasonous members of PNAC well in advance of 911. We now know that it had nothing to do with Saddam’s WMD; in fact, the neonuts were spinning the fact that AQ did the WTC job and that’s why we had to go into Iraq. It made zero sense to most americans.
The fact is that this neocon wetdream backfired totally in their sick little faces. In trying to “save face” in Iraq for Chimpy’s all-important legacy, we’ve bred more terrorists around the world exponentially. We are now so loathed by most moral people of the world that we’ve become the target of their hatred. To change this perception after what they’ve witnessed during this diabolical reign of terror of George Bush will be almost impossible - certainly improbable.
What does this mean? For PNAC and the neofascists, it means that they’re totally washed up - their little scheme not only failed but backfired in their ugly little faces. These are the architects of this illegal war and these are the ones who need to be placed on trial and indicted for their treasonous actions. I believe this will happen someday - I truly do.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:31 pm“Wolfowitz and Rummy”, the newest alcoholic beverage brought to you by BushCo. One 8 ounce glass and you’ll be searching for the unknown unknowns somewhere north and south and east and west of Baghdad and you will find it hard to imagine why the world is spinning out of control.
(for immature consumers only)
February 27th, 2008 at 7:31 pmMs_Joanne and satirev. The point that sticks so far down my craw is that NONE OF THESE BASTARDS will accept responsibility or admit the UTTER and TOTAL failure of this MidEastern DemocraFantasy.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:33 pmMr. Evil: Me, too. I’ve used the term “delusional” to describe these criminals hundreds of times each day. Somehow it now doesn’t even seem strong enough or diabolical enough to be applied to the new nadir established by them every day.
Let’s invent another word which encapsulates the concept of delusional pathology which is one of the hallmarks of psychiatric illness.
There just has to be a better word. Delusional isn’t demented enough.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:33 pmI am reminded of Aspergers. These are clearly intelligent people but are lacking in emotions.
Comment by Xisithrus — February 27, 2008 @ 7:27 pm
It’s more that they lack or don’t understand empathy. :-)
February 27th, 2008 at 7:35 pmRU: that’s why I’ve realized the profound depth of their mental illness - each one of them supporting the other. Even John McCain’s mentally tainted. Consider this: Maybe some other world power gave them something which changed the chemistry of their brains? I just can’t believe that a group of ostensibly semi-intelligent, mature men have not grown up and cannot accept the responsibility of their actions.
Could it be that their profound psychiatric condition doesn’t permit the necessary insight (yes, moron, you did it and you were wrong) to even go there? If that is so, they all will need to be institutionalized before they become dangerous to themselves and others.
How about a PNAC Baker Act?
February 27th, 2008 at 7:36 pmI visited their website recently and it’s suspiciously devoid of many members. Of course, the Grandson of Fascism is plastered all over it ad nauseum - William Kristol. Egomania is only one of his problems.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:37 pmPNAC’s gone underground perhaps? That’s where those sewer rats belong.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:38 pmThere just has to be a better word. Delusional isn’t demented enough.
Comment by satirev — February 27, 2008 @ 7:33 pm
The antonym for “realists” = “falsies”?
February 27th, 2008 at 7:38 pmMs_Joanne and satirev. The point that sticks so far down my craw is that NONE OF THESE BASTARDS will accept responsibility or admit the UTTER and TOTAL failure of this MidEastern DemocraFantasy.
Comment by RUCerious — February 27, 2008 @ 7:33 pm
I think what sticks further down my craw is that they won’t be held accountable. They will never accept anything, that goes without saying. This is where the world community has to come in and do something. I doubt that 2009 will change anything no matter who gets in. But someone in the world has to do something to hold these criminals accountable! World court, den Hague, ARE YOU LISTENING? It’s up to you to do this. It is with great shame that I doubt my country ever will.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:38 pmRemember how they (those in the administration) kept trotting out the famous, “we listen to the commanders in the field” LIE!
They know no shame!
February 27th, 2008 at 7:42 pm“It is with great shame that I doubt my country ever will.”
Comment by Ms_Joanne — February 27, 2008 @ 7:38 pm
I share your shame. I also share your hope that I will live long enough to see these bastards brought to justice.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:45 pmComment by satirev — February 27, 2008 @ 7:19 pm
I’ll be the first to admit that I’ve made some dim-witted posts, but I assure you my satire is genuine and deeply felt… if one can even say such a thing… I am running on cold medication and caffine and so may not make the most sense sometimes but I am always genuine in my concern… my point was that EVERYONE predicted Iraq would be a quagmire but to hear the administration tell it, it was a bigger shock than the end of “The Crying Game” only here the dicks were more prominent and the tears were genuine…
February 27th, 2008 at 7:46 pmthe Bush administration embraced Wolfowitz’s logic
February 27th, 2008 at 7:47 pmLogic?
Remember how they (those in the administration) kept trotting out the famous, “we listen to the commanders in the field†LIE!
They know no shame!
Comment by TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong — February 27, 2008 @ 7:42 pm
SATIREV- this was also the point I was trying to make… no one listened to the GENERALS while telling us that the GENERALS should make the decisions…
February 27th, 2008 at 7:47 pmOne of the great joys in my job - which entails spending way too much of my life on the road - is that I have air miles up the wazoo and when the trial at den Hague is announced, I will have a ticket in my grubby little paws within seconds, a free room for as long as I want to be there (thank you Hilton Honors!!) and a tremendous joy in my heart.
I’ll even live blog it! :-)
February 27th, 2008 at 7:53 pmMs_Joanne, the U-Tube video of their execution will show them both sobbing, wetting themselves, and begging for mercy.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:56 pmUnlike a certain dictator we recently let the Iraqi Shiites hang, who went out with his dignity in tact.
That little runt John McCain was right with Rummy and wolfolwits when they drove this general out of the Army and said: “He doesn’t know what he’s talking about”. Where are the conservatives now? Why haven’t they stood up and apologized to this honorable man? Because they are only interested in obtaining power for power sake, not doing what is right. They claim to love America, but America has no greater internal enemy than the rightwing idiots who call themselves “conservatives”. Just listen to them attack, slash, and burn anyone or anything that gets in their way. They all remind me of the brown shirts before Hilter came to power in Germany. They go around demonizing anyone who dares to point out their lust for power. If they could, they(conservatives) would have concentration camps in America to burn blacks, jews, and hispanics. If you disagree just listen to the hate and venom that Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, and Laura Ingram spit at their political opponents. My point being, if they are willing to go that far over politics, what would happen if they had absolute power?
February 27th, 2008 at 7:57 pmRUC, I bet the people who handle executions would be more professional (now there’s an oxymoron if I ever created one!) and not allow it to hit the internets.
That said, there would be big bucks to be had for showing those war criminals dying. And you are so right, they would never go out with dignity for you can’t have at the end what you never had to begin with.
Not that I think Hussain ever had any dignity, but he didn’t beg for mercy which you know any chickenhawk neocon would do.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:00 pm#34 satirev: subhuman, pseudo-human, inhuman, etc. We’ve sat back and trusted these corrupt thieves long enough. All they care about is power. Backroom deals, darkened parking garage handshakes, under-the-table money exchanges, sleazy backstabbing, etc.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:03 pmAnd with that power all they can think to do is to somehow, any way possible, is to find a way to control the masses as if we are stupid cattle or chattel and to rule the world.
“We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators. . . . I think it will go relatively quickly… (in) weeks rather than months.â€
 Vice President Cheney [3/16/03].
The war “could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.â€
 Rumsfeld [2/7/03].
“It’s hard to conceive that it would take more forces to provide stability in post-Saddam Iraq than it would take to conduct the war itself and secure the surrender of Saddam’s security forces and his army. Hard to imagine.â€
February 27th, 2008 at 8:08 pm Wolfowitz [2/27/2003].
There is an avalanche of bad news, lies, deceptions and criminal activity that has still not come to light.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:14 pmWhy do you think there is all this stonewalling on the Justice Dept firings, the Plame outing, the situation in Alabama, the missing emails and such a push for telecom amnesty.
if the dam breaks there is going to be a flood of evidence of indictable crimes.
“You can support the troops but not the president.”
–Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
“Well, I just think it’s a bad idea. What’s going to happen is they’re going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years.”
–Joe Scarborough (R-FL)
“Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?”
–Sean Hannity, Fox News,
“[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation’s armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy.”
–Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)
“If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy.”
–Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush
“I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn’t think we had done enough in the diplomatic area.”
–Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)
“I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today”
–Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”
February 27th, 2008 at 8:14 pm–Governor George W. Bush (R-TX) 

Oh, wait, did I mention these were Republicans denouncing Clinton for committing troops to Bosnia?
Maybe we can somehow get to just one PNAC insider who’s become disillusioned with their insane plan for America and the world. Grant them immunity (and protection because we know how vindictive the neocons are) to tell just how they put it all together. And who knew what and when. Dennis Kucinich is on the right track in investigating the unusual stock trading in the days leading up to 9-11 most notably the amount of put orders for United and American Airlines. All we need is one to start the snowball rolling. And the resulting treason, murder and war crime trials will finally wake up this country and world that tyranny and wannabe tyrants never have and will never win.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:18 pmRumsfeld & Wolfowicz were both wrong. After toppling Saddam, we should have installed a pro US strongman who would have been forced cleaned up the mess for us. We could then go from country to country in the Mideast, point out the demise of Saddam, and have them round up the vermin in their countries lest they fall like Saddam before our military might. Not very nice but much more effective…
February 27th, 2008 at 8:18 pmComment by Neocon — February 27, 2008 @ 8:18 pm
Wonderful. Spoken like a true neocon. Bravo.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:25 pmThe point that sticks so far down my craw is that NONE OF THESE BASTARDS will accept responsibility or admit the UTTER and TOTAL failure of this MidEastern DemocraFantasy.
Comment by RUCerious — February 27, 2008 @ 7:33 pm
How CAN they accept responsibility or admit to the “view” that there is failure? They believe they succeeded and in fact take responsibility for their success! Listen to Bush and Kristol even now! They say: “We have kicked out and disposed of Saadam. We have at least 4 huge permanent bases in the ME (Iraq) which will be there forever. (You see, McBush is right about us being there for 100 years!) We have constructed the largest embassy in the world there. We established the beginning of Pax Americana and created preemption as a legitimate national course of action. We have showed we can control the UN and use it any way we want.
The list of their “successes” goes on and on.
We have done all the things that our corporate bosses have asked of us! And we have done all of this in the face of the rest of the world, who we proved were powerless against us.”
So why in the world would they apologize or recognize failure or anything other than how well they did?
Of course it takes a psychopath with megalomania to see things their way, but what does that have to do with anything as far as they are concerned?
February 27th, 2008 at 8:26 pmComment by Merlin 57
At least you admit that we got what we wanted…these are successes…
February 27th, 2008 at 8:32 pmRumsfeld & Wolfowicz were both wrong. After toppling Saddam, we should have installed a pro US strongman who would have been forced cleaned up the mess for us. We could then go from country to country in the Mideast, point out the demise of Saddam, and have them round up the vermin in their countries lest they fall like Saddam before our military might. Not very nice but much more effective…
Comment by Neocon — February 27, 2008 @ 8:18 pm
Chalabi was the man groomed as a “pro US strongman.” That worked out about as well as the Iraqi oil paying for the war.
And of course your entire philosophy is bad. Politely, I will tell you that “the ends justifies the means” is sick. And if you hold the view you express you should seek psychological help.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:36 pmComment by Merlin — February 27, 2008 @ 8:26 pm
They don’t care about people or humnaity in general. All that matters is their own enrichment. All the missing billions of dollars supposedly going to Iraq isn’t really missing. It’s just missing to us. They know all too well where it went. And when things start to go south for them they just hire more mercenaries (er, terrorists) to do some more bidding for them. Their greed and lust for power is superceded only by their sadism.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:37 pmAt least you admit that we got what we wanted…these are successes…
Comment by Neocon — February 27, 2008 @ 8:32 pm
OK so you are sick. And your level of comprehension is about as sharp as that of a slug.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:39 pm59 Chalabi was a strongman??? Please…a strongman is a military figure: you know, like we do it in South America…
February 27th, 2008 at 8:39 pm59 Chalabi was a strongman??? Please…a strongman is a military figure: you know, like we do it in South America…
Comment by Neocon — February 27, 2008 @ 8:39 pm
Look folks! Another brilliant conclusion from the slug. Some one should tell him that Mickey Mouse would be a strong man if the most powerful country in the world was behind him propping him up. But then slugs don’t have much of a brain to figure things out with even if they are told.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:46 pmWell, the new troll is about as right as a neo-con, and almost as smart.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:50 pmWhich really ain’t sayin’ much…
February 27th, 2008 at 8:50 pmNeocon = witless zombie.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:52 pm#55 Neocon, you wrote:
[We could then go from country to country in the Mideast, point out the demise of Saddam,and have them round up the vermin in their countries lest they fall like Saddam before our military might. Not very nice but much more effective.]
Neocon: What you wrote is a nice script for low budget war movie.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:54 pmNot very nice but much more effective…
Comment by Neocon — February 27, 2008 @ 8:18 pm
Sheesh! Somebody have this one tested for drugs…
February 27th, 2008 at 8:57 pmActually, tarazan, by the time you’re done casting extras to do the scenes involving the Chinese and Russian armies, it’s a very expensive war movie…
February 27th, 2008 at 8:59 pmSheesh! Somebody have this one tested for drugs…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 27, 2008 @ 8:57 pm
We’d have to care first…
February 27th, 2008 at 9:01 pmSheesh! Somebody have this one tested for drugs…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 27, 2008 @ 8:57 pm
Nah.. Neocons don’t do drugs. They are crazy while totally sober.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:02 pmYou fools have a quaint notion of realpolitik…
February 27th, 2008 at 9:15 pmYou fools have a quaint notion of realpolitik…
Comment by Neocon — February 27, 2008 @ 9:15 pm
And you have a quaint notion of humanity.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:19 pm73 You mean the eradication of terrorist vermin w/o the loss of American lives or capital isn’t humane???
February 27th, 2008 at 9:23 pmFlag the sick f_ck troll.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:26 pmComment by Neocon — February 27, 2008 @ 9:23 pm
Generalizations like “terrorist vermin” are meaningless.
Try again…
February 27th, 2008 at 9:26 pm76 How many liberals were killed by terrorist vermin on 9-11? I’d say many…
February 27th, 2008 at 9:29 pmSorry!!!! That doesn’t cut it.
“Terrorist vermin” is such a vague, ill-defined term it is meaningless.
BTW, I knew you’d try that. yer so F-in’ predictable!
BWAHAHAHAHAHA…
February 27th, 2008 at 9:31 pmBad Joanne, bad bad Joanne! I responded! I FED IT!
(slapping self shamelessly)
My bad. So sorry guys!
February 27th, 2008 at 9:33 pmThas all right ms_Joanne… who amongst us doesn’t enjoy a little Whack-a-Trollâ„¢ from time to time?
February 27th, 2008 at 9:35 pm…who amongst us doesn’t enjoy a little Whack-a-Trollâ„¢ from time to time?
It’s so easy sometimes, they are just soooooooooooooooo stooooopid! But I do have to say, it feels so good sometimes to just tell someone to STFU!
How do you do that little TM thing? Is there a HTML tag for it? It’s soooooooo cute! :-)
February 27th, 2008 at 9:38 pmIt IS easy to get a rise out you fools…good night…
February 27th, 2008 at 9:41 pmGee. Thanx for the reminder. There are still a bunch of sick phucks in this country. I just hope we can fix things via our votes. If not? I guess it’s torches and pitchforks.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:45 pmIt never ceases to amaze me how many people seem to think all the ills going on in our country these days are a game.
Proof positive how far we have fallen.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:47 pmThe terrorist vermin I worry about are the ones in the White House.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:02 pmComment by marlow — February 27, 2008 @ 10:02 pm
I was thinking the same thing. There isn’t a single terrorist or terrorist group or even terrorist country (if there is one) that can take my freedom and beliefs away from me. That is why I’ll never fear them. George Bush can and has taken freedoms away from us with simply his signature. Bush doesn’t love America and Americans. He loves terror and terrorists. It’s his only angle to attain and maintain his power.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:19 pmLet’s not get confused with what they should have done and the reality today. What we should have done is lead summit conferences with Islamic countries to turn their citizens away from radical violence. What we should have done was work with Afghanistan and Pakistan to improve their economies and help us get bin Laden. What we should have done was not invade Iraq and not occupy it for five years, going on a hundred. What we should have done was impeach Bush, Cheney, and convict Rove and Gonzales and Rice and Wolfowitz and Feith and many in the DOJ. And all of this is only a game to these criminals–a very profitable game. Stories like this only encourage the permanent deployment of our forces in Iraq. I won’t pay for it, but your grandchildren will.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:23 pmThe guy who got his girlfriend a raise and promotion at the world bank is credible? Pond scum my friends pond scum. General Shinseki knew, he was trained and experienced and he said hundres of thousands and these shitbirds thought they knew better. Rumsfeld is in a good place and Wolfoulwitz has been gone from the bank for some time. But hey, you go with the army you’ve got not the one you want. At least that’s how Rumsfeld did it and Lord knows how many men and women he got killed because he just couldn’t wait to get to Iraq for the black gold. What a sorry shit. Rumsfeld, Wolfoulwitz, Feith, Rove, Bush, Cheney, every last one of these bottom feeders should be in prison. Blood on your hands people, blood on your hands!!!!
February 27th, 2008 at 10:30 pmComment by Neocon — February 27, 2008 @ 8:18 pm
Sheesh! Somebody have this one tested for drugs…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — February 27, 2008 @ 8:57 pm
If he overdoses, he overdoses.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:37 pmYou mean the eradication of terrorist vermin w/o the loss of American lives or capital isn’t humane???
Comment by Neocon — February 27, 2008 @ 9:23 pm
Frankly I wouldn’t mind a bit if vermin like you were eradicated.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:38 pmI am still pissed about th 9 billion in cash that Bremmer could not
account for. How much of that money went to eather the insugrents
or that Al kada guy. It would also be interesting to see if the cash
Saddem was caught with (several hundred thousand in $100 bills)
was also part of the missing cash. I am sure that when the money left
the FED they had the serial numbers of the money.
Also the real reason that the high number of troops was scoffed was
February 27th, 2008 at 10:52 pmthat they did’nt have that many troops to send to begin with. IMHO
Forgive my ignorance but, who would be charged with arresting Cheney and/or Bush should that actually happen? Would it be the US Marshalls? Secret Service, FBI, local police? Which agency would actually perform the most patriotic act ever performed in the USA? Isn’t anyone or any entity with any shred of honor and integrity investigating or at least gathering information on these clowns? Why hasn’t the Federal Bureau of INVESTIGATION done anything of worth with regards to enforcing the LAW. Is our entire system of government and its institutions completely corrupt and spineless that nothing can or will be done? I can’t understand why practically nothing has been done at all.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:52 pmthe wolfman and the rummy - sure sounds like a b grade horror movie to me.
February 28th, 2008 at 12:02 amEverything coming out of these people’s mouths is a lie, including the words “and” and “the”.
February 28th, 2008 at 12:35 amWar Criominals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They should meet the same end as Saddam Hussein had! War criminals!!!!!
February 28th, 2008 at 3:44 am“Sen. Lindsay Graham said that the United States is “well on our way†to victory in Iraq. Earlier this week, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) claimed that the “war will be over soon.—
Let me quess: it’s all be over in six months.
You know, that miraculous “six months” that has been harped on by the right-whiners ever since the war of occupation started in 2003. “Six months” to the end of the war. “Six months” to a turn around in the violence. “Six months” to a reduction in the troops.
“Six months” forever!
February 28th, 2008 at 7:40 amI thought when the head chimp landed on the aircraft carrier he said the ‘WAR WAS OVER”. I also thought it was an occupation now. If you cannot seem to make up your mind whether it is a war or an occupation it`s time to cut your losses and run,but no these idiots keep perpetuating this thing until our once Great country brought to the brink of destruction!!!!!!!!!
February 28th, 2008 at 8:50 amBush will get his hundred thousand more troops. He can transfer them from Germany and Japan. All he or Israel has to do to prolong and worsen the war in Iraq is to goad Iran into retaliation by a campaign of air strikes against it. I believe this will happen starting after the party conventions in September. Obama, like Clinton, has voted for every war funding bill. When Bush then sounds an alarm that Iran is attacking our troops, whether true or not, whoever the Democrat nominee may be will have the same excuse as McCain for continuing the Middle East Crusade.
The only nonviolent way I can think of for Americans to avoid this is for voters, in mass numbers, after their primaries, to de-register from the conniving Republican and Democratic parties, stop supporting them with money, refuse to tell pollsters how they are leaning and make clear to these conniving parties that deepening and worsening the war is unacceptable.
February 29th, 2008 at 12:01 pmRumsfeld & Wolfowicz were both wrong. After toppling Saddam, we should have installed a pro US strongman who would have been forced cleaned up the mess for us. We could then go from country to country in the Mideast, point out the demise of Saddam, and have them round up the vermin in their countries lest they fall like Saddam before our military might. Not very nice but much more effective…
Comment by Neocon — February 27, 2008 @ 8:18 pm
Chalabi was the man groomed as a “pro US strongman.” That worked out about as well as the Iraqi oil paying for the war.
And of course your entire philosophy is bad. Politely, I will tell you that “the ends justifies the means” is sick. And if you hold the view you express you should seek psychological help.
May 11th, 2008 at 5:36 pm