Snow defends Bush: Lincoln was ‘hated,’ too.
Yesterday on the Colbert Report, former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow defended Bush’s 19 percent approval rating, saying the public once “hated” Lincoln:
COLBERT: Latest polls have his approval rating at 19 percent, which is low for a President but very high for a fetish.
SNOW: Ouch. … They actually hated Truman. They hated Lincoln. Lincoln as late as late-1864 was telling his guys to get ready the next incoming administration of George McClellan.
Watch it:
Former White House staffers have adopted the Bush-Lincoln comparison as a talking point. Karl Rove said Bush has a Lincoln-like ability to “get to the nub of the thing.” Alberto Gonzales also recently compared Bush’s presidency to Lincoln’s.
UPDATE: Atrios notes, “I’m sure plenty of people did [hate Lincoln], but he did manage to win the 1864 election by 10 points.”
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February 28th, 2008 at 2:20 pmI thought Snow had died.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:20 pmIs snowjob admitting that Bush is hated? More perceptive than I thought.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:20 pm.
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February 28th, 2008 at 2:21 pmGuess what, Tony? You’re right up there on the despised list yourself.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:22 pmYeah, but Lincoln wasn’t stupid.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:22 pm.
I’m wainting for these Loayalists to start comparing Bush to a god.
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February 28th, 2008 at 2:22 pmDidn’t we make mincemeat out of this “Lincoln was hated too” claim when Bush tried to make it a few weeks ago?
Lincoln won a second term with an electoral landslide just a few months before he was shot.
The only people who hated Lincoln were the ones on the other side in the Civil War.
Hmm… Lincoln led a war against a segment of his own nation… Bush leads a war against the middle class and poor of this nation…
okay. I can see the comparisons now.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:24 pmLincoln was more popular than Bush. He was re-elected in a tight campaign and then went on to win the Civil War. At no time was he as unpopular as this popinjay has become.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:25 pmIt’s the medication Tony’s taking that makes him stupid at lease that’s what I hope. Now History showed Lincoln freed the slaves and Bush wants to bring back slavery. Is that what Tony means by Lincoln and Bush being alike?
February 28th, 2008 at 2:26 pmWell at least they are admitting bush is hated…that is a start.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:27 pmAnybody read Team of Rivals by Doris Goodwin, about Lincoln? Im almost done with it now, and have to say Abraham Lincoln was on top of his game, and was always a step ahead when it came to public sentiment.. He gave speeches that inspired Americans to sacrifice, and brought in people into his cabinet that were his rivals in order to get the most done for the country… I think the only comparison you can make is that yes, both presidents were in a war.. thats about it..
Anyway, just curious if anyone has read the book ?
February 28th, 2008 at 2:27 pmIs he actually comparing our commander-in-chief to some sick fetish. Comment by Frank M — February 28, 2008 @ 2:24 pm
It’s called comedy, dufus. And yes, Bush has a death and destruction fetish, haven’t you noticed?
February 28th, 2008 at 2:28 pmOhhhhhhh, PUH-LEASE.
Exaggerate much, Snowjob??
February 28th, 2008 at 2:29 pmI am comparing our commander-in-chief to some sick fetish, because he is some sick fetish.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:29 pmAnd Frank…?
At this point, bubonic plague is more popular than Bush.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:31 pmFetish? What the heck did he mean by that? Is he actually comparing our commander-in-chief to some sick fetish?
Comment by Frank M — February 28, 2008 @ 2:24 pm
You know. An inanimate object thought to actually have some sort of mystical capacities
February 28th, 2008 at 2:31 pmIt takes a corrupt leader to make and keep the corrupt wealthy, using our wealth to do it.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:32 pmLincoln was so “hated” that he was re-elected by more than a majority. Reich-wingers = revisionists.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:32 pmIs he actually comparing our commander-in-chief to some sick fetish. Comment by Frank M — February 28, 2008 @ 2:24 pm
It’s called comedy, dufus. And yes, Bush has a death and destruction fetish, haven’t you noticed?
Comment by RUCerious — February 28, 2008 @ 2:28 pm
the “M” stands for masturbates.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:32 pmMemo to Snowjob: Lincoln EARNED his Presidency and Bush STOLE both Presidencies.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:33 pmKarl Rove said Bush has a Lincoln-like ability to “get to the nub of the thing.â€
Oh come on. That’s just too easy.
Gannon’s nub?
February 28th, 2008 at 2:33 pmI’m waiting for these Loayalists to start comparing Bush to a god.
Comment by Max-1 — February 28, 2008 @ 2:22 pm
“Waiting”?? Reich-wingers have been worshiping this failure for more than 7 years
February 28th, 2008 at 2:33 pm#15 I agree with bush being a sick fetish…but just found out his claim on being our commander in chief only applies to the military. He is not commander to the public. According to our Constituition.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:34 pmJust another lie bush tries to push on the America public.
Comment by Frank M — February 28, 2008 @ 2:24 pm
it would appear so, Frankie. Live w/ it.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:34 pmPeople keep saying that in this day and age where how you look on TV means more than what you say, that Lincoln is one of those people who could never get elected.
I disagree. If he were running against Bush, he’d get a landslide.
On the other hand, as things stand now, if a gerbil was running against Bush, he’d win. The only reason the gerbil wouldn’t get a landslide was because he’d be considered a little too inexperienced.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:35 pmIt’s called comedy, dufus. And yes, Bush has a death and destruction fetish, haven’t you noticed?Comment by RUCerious
February 28th, 2008 at 2:35 pmDon’t forget about his torture fetish,or his ass-wiping with the Constitution fetish.
Countless others have been hated, too. What’s with all the Lincoln references? Is it just that they that the only way he’ll get any sympathy is if someone tries to assassinate him? Is that what they want?
“Is he actually comparing our commander-in-chief to some sick fetish?”
Yes, that’s pretty much it exactly.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:36 pmFrank, don’t forget to repeat the RNC-prescribed “Fight terror with more terror” line. You’ll need it to collect your base salary this year.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:37 pmAre they comparing Bush to Abraham Lincoln??? Or old Bill Lincoln who wanders through town vomiting on children?
February 28th, 2008 at 2:38 pmAnd sick fetishes everywhere are incensed by the comparison.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:38 pm#12, Re Team of Rivals, I read the book as well. Its a brilliant book and points out how tirelessly Lincoln laboured to save the Union. He brought in the brightest and best to be part of his cabinet. He brought them together to work as a team and had everyone striving tirelessly for the good of the Country. Lincoln would have worked with anyone and done anything to restore the Union. The 1864 election looked very bad for him due to war-weariness, not specific hatred of Lincoln. The battles of Gettysburg and Atlanta saved the election for him. Contrast this with the 43rd Presidents hard work and concensus building. Heck of a legacy W.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:39 pmImpeach Cheney and Bush and Save the Constitution!
Snow, Rove and Gonzo all have made the Lincoln/Bush comparison. Since I hold none of these people in high regard I won’t be valuing their comparison.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:39 pmIt’s that busted down Lincoln on blocks out back that the pigs have been shitting in for a couple of years now. That Lincoln.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:40 pmFrank M is just trying a different inflaming/provokative/dumb post on every thread in order to see which ones produce the most outrage and comments in the threads.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:40 pmLessee:
Lincoln split logs with an axe.
Bush clears brush with a chain saw (supposedly).
That makes them exactly alike!
February 28th, 2008 at 2:41 pmI can understand that the CSA wasn’t terribly fond of Lincoln, but if memory serves me correctly, wasn’t Lincoln re-elected in 1864? Lincoln grabbed 212 electoral votes to McClellan’s 21. Lincoln also got 55% of the popular vote — quite respectable, and not indicative that he was “hated”.
Contrast that to the 2004 election, which Dubya won with only 50.7% of the popular vote, and with 286 electoral votes to Kerry’s 251. And that’s even before factoring in any alleged Diebold mischief.
The wingnuts can spin all they want — “Bush and Lincoln” thing ain’t gonna fly.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:41 pmIf hatred is the criterion, I’m sure William henry Harrison was hated, too. What president hasn’t been, by somebody? So all they can draw on is hatred in a false logic. Let’s try comparing any of Lincoln’s speeches to any of Bush’s.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:42 pmFixed it for ya.
Comment by Gin — February 28, 2008 @ 2:41 pm
More than a majority? Does that make any sense?
February 28th, 2008 at 2:43 pmLincoln saved the Union.
Bush divides America for political gain.
No comparison. How utterly insulting.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:44 pmHe isn’t “our” Commander-in-Chief. He is the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed forces. Big difference.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:45 pmFixed it for ya.
Comment by Gin — February 28, 2008 @ 2:41 pm
just another lie by our resident racist. no surprise.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:47 pmI hate African Drums and St. Louis Jazz. Therefore,
Bush=African Drums and St. Louis Jazz
These people are frickin’ UNBELIEVEABLE.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:47 pmif lincoln was an intestinal parasite, then the comparison is accurate.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:48 pmNo Frank he was calling you a fetishist for being in that 19%. GOOBER.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:49 pmSnow said Lincoln was hated too.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:53 pmNOT BY THE WHOLE PLANET , he wasnt just the racist .
I hope that Bush adopts the Stovepipe hat… and starts attending the theatre…
Dear GW-
February 28th, 2008 at 2:53 pmLittle known fact: Lincoln ate a box of pretzels a day! He called them ‘Healthy Twists” and only ate the dry, unsalted variety and would refuse to have a glass of water nearby as he considered that ‘letting the choking win’
Comment by belac — February 28, 2008 @ 2:53 pm
February 28th, 2008 at 2:56 pm~ Priceless!!!
Well considering Bush isn’t worth 2 cents I guess you could compare him to Lincoln in that manner.
But then Bush will be remembered, “As the Worst President in History”.
Buck Fush
February 28th, 2008 at 2:58 pmComment by belac — February 28, 2008 @ 2:53 pm
~ Priceless!!!
Comment by RUCerious — February 28, 2008 @ 2:56 pm
A man can dream…
February 28th, 2008 at 3:01 pmLincoln was hated…ah, yes, but by whom? Plantation owners who weren’t willing to pay minimum wage to the hired help? On second thought, the help was hired at all was it? It was abducted and sold. And so, the people who hated Lincoln dispised him enough to break constitutional law and wage war against their own nation. Bush haters hate because they can’t stand to see their country being treated like a wet wash cloth; constantly wrung out and twisted only to be soiled again when dry. We don’t want to wage war against the government. We want to save it from the lying, deceitful, over-spending, war-mongering administration of the last 7 years.
February 28th, 2008 at 3:06 pmps..the 4th word in the third sentence above should be “wasn’t.”
February 28th, 2008 at 3:08 pmit WAS quite a letdown when stephen let him get away with
nary a scratch…
“fetish” got an “ouch”… hmmph…
February 28th, 2008 at 3:08 pmfrom grolier online
Let’s compare Bush to Franklin Pierce
Considered an accidental president, Pierce is generally ranked among the least-effective chief executives and is viewed as an attractive, charming, but indecisive politician, easily influenced by such dominant figures as his secretary of war, Jefferson Davis. While historians have generally recognized that Pierce’s endorsement of the Kansas-Nebraska Bill contributed to the disruption of his party and of the Union, they have been less successful in indicating what course of action he might have taken that would have prevented such an outcome.
Much closer to the bone.
February 28th, 2008 at 3:10 pmSTRETCH TWO THREE!! STRETCH TWO THREE FOUR!!
What a steamy mound of bovine plop. Orwells sheep would be proud of these bleatists.
Two Fibbs good! Four Fibbs Better!!
February 28th, 2008 at 3:12 pmComment by RUCerious — February 28, 2008 @ 3:10 pm
… and I read somewhere that Bush is related to Pierce, so that’s nice. At least the title (WORST PRESIDENT EVER) stays in the family.
February 28th, 2008 at 3:12 pmComment by Gin — February 28, 2008 @ 2:41 pm
More than a majority? Does that make any sense?
Comment by dbadass
Nope, no more than the idiotic rantings by GiGi and Francine. They are all off the rails these days. I think they are all slowly going crazy because they know what’s coming down the road in November.
February 28th, 2008 at 3:18 pmOK, I’ll give them that sending people to die in war isn’t a popular thing to do **IF** they will give me that 1) even the Vietnam presidents had higher approval ratings than Shrub. And 2) despite the then current buzz that we were stopping communism there so it doesn’t domino here and how history would see this as a wonderful undertaking, that folks look back on Vietnam and either are making them our new trading partner (only after they were controlled by the communists and whipped our a**) and/or realize what a catastrophic mistake it was.
February 28th, 2008 at 3:27 pmThere are only two factual comparisons between Bush II and Lincoln. They are both Republicans and they were both elected in a year ending in zero. Also, if matters continue on their current path, Lincoln will be the first Republican President and Bush II the last.
February 28th, 2008 at 3:32 pmLinkn Park is going to be pissed…
February 28th, 2008 at 3:40 pmIs that the sun setting behind Tony?
February 28th, 2008 at 3:48 pmUPDATE: Atrios notes, “I’m sure plenty of people did [hate Lincoln], but he did manage to win the 1864 election by 10 points.â€
Well, if AQ, Iran and every other element of radical Islam would be nice enough to mass their forces and invade Pennsylvania so we could deal them a death blow on the battlefield, I am sure Bush’s popularity would soar, too. Not real likely, though.
February 28th, 2008 at 3:55 pmAny Lincoln dump would have been a better Prez than Chimpy Bush!
February 28th, 2008 at 4:04 pm#63 Keltoi -
In a way, you’re right. al Queada and other radical Islamists won’t amass their forces all in one place in order for us to deal with them. Nope. Instead, they are spread out across wide geographical areas. Which makes Bush’s attempt to fight them with a traditional army one of the stupidist (and most expensive) ideas ever.
You can’t fight radical Islamist terrorists with an army. Hasn’t worked. And will continue to not work.
February 28th, 2008 at 4:05 pmIt’s sickening that the conservatives keep comparing Bush to Lincoln. How dare they defile Lincoln.
February 28th, 2008 at 4:16 pmAnyone notice how half of that party wants to cast the twit in chief as the reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln and the other half (or maybe it’s the same ones) want to put the confederate flag on their license plates? Republicans may not do nuance but they sure are great at irony.
February 28th, 2008 at 4:16 pmWell, if AQ, Iran and every other element of radical Islam would be nice enough to mass their forces and invade Pennsylvania so we could deal them a death blow on the battlefield, I am sure Bush’s popularity would soar, too. Not real likely, though.
Comment by Keltoi — February 28, 2008 @ 3:55 pm
well, if AQ, Iran and the res of the Isamic radicals were as stupid as American southerners, maybe we’d have half a chance against them. But they’re not, so we don’t.
February 28th, 2008 at 4:29 pmYou can’t fight radical Islamist terrorists with an army. Hasn’t worked. And will continue to not work.
Comment by bobcat_grad — February 28, 2008 @ 4:05 pm
I can just picture George C. Scott whispering, “gee, I wish we had some of them radical Islamist terrorists” to one of the other Generals in the war room.
February 28th, 2008 at 4:35 pmT-tony snow-shoveler :
He certainly didn’t last long on the front lines of the ‘War on Truth’ .
February 28th, 2008 at 4:40 pmLet’s get something straight!
http://www.yabbadabbahubbado.com
February 28th, 2008 at 4:50 pmThe Lincoln-Roosevelt-Truman-Churchill comparisons are simply beyond comprehension. Bush’s legacy is in the sewer. He is already regarded as the worst president ever. And his legacy has nowhere to go but down. Much further down. And there will be no Jimmy Carteresque redemption, either. Carter is regarded as a genuinely nice man, a deeply sincere man, whereas Bush is a spoiled brat rich kid sociopath.
February 28th, 2008 at 5:14 pmLincoln was extremely popular. Your citing of the 1864 election is hillarious.
The Southern states weren’t allowed to vote in the 1864 election, morons.
“The election of 1864 was conducted during the Civil War, and as such, none of the states which made up the Confederate states participated.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ United_States_presidential_election,_1864
Come on, all you should admit that you are not smarter than a 1st grader.
February 28th, 2008 at 5:15 pmA pitch man for Bush’s snake oil has something meaningful to say? This guy is a left over pimp for Bush. How in the hell could we see any credibility in what someone like this says after he stood up in front of the white house press corps day after day doin’ his step and shuffle. Hey Snowy, check with Bush right away he might need his ass kissed or his boots shined.
February 28th, 2008 at 5:17 pmEr, that should read that Lincoln was extremely “unpopular.”
Cutting and pasting is THE enemy, mah frens.
February 28th, 2008 at 5:17 pmComment by good_golly — February 28, 2008 @ 5:30 pm
What the hell do your idiotic copy and pastes off some sorry-assed blog have to do with anything ?
You’re trying to convince everyone of Snowjob’s laughable comparison of Chimpy to Lincoln by posting the ramblings of a Chimpy Adoration Brigade member such as yourself ?
Good luck with that ………….
February 28th, 2008 at 5:43 pmUh, did the South participate in the 1864 election?
February 28th, 2008 at 5:58 pmOk, Good Golly, if you want to borrow quotes, I wanna borrow photographs. Go here and scroll down to the two photos near the bottom of this post: http://www.bloggerradio.com/2008/02/bush-to-adopt-s.html
February 28th, 2008 at 5:58 pmUh, did the South participate in the 1864 election?
Comment by Alejandro — February 28, 2008 @ 5:58 pm
of course not, they were an enemy country, a group of terrorists and traitors. Your point?
February 28th, 2008 at 6:39 pmLincoln was called just about every name imaginable in the press of his day, including: A ‘grotesque baboon’, a ‘third-rate country lawyer who once split rails and now splits the Union’, a ‘coarse, vulgar joker’, a dictator, an ape, and a buffoon. The Illinois State Register [published in his adopted home state] labeled him “the craftiest and most dishonest politician that ever disgraced an [American political] office.â€
http://mistersnitch.blogspot.com/ 2005/ 08/ bad-press-for-president.html
And now, he has been outdone by Bush, about whom all of the above things have also been written, accurately. The difference is, of course, that Bush will be seen the same way 100 years from now, because those statements about him are true, and based on daily occurrences. Bush will never be looked upon as a hero, or a saviour of democracy; nothing but a loser, a spoiled fratboy, a deserter, a coward, and an imbecile, taking his rightful place beside Hitler, Pol Pot, John Wayne Gacy, and other despicable monsters.
February 28th, 2008 at 6:42 pm“Accused of changing the rationale for ‘his’ war, and hounded for mismanaging it. Derided as an uninspiring public speaker. Belittled as an idiot. Blamed for dividing the nation. Charged with incompetence in his administration. Accused of trampling on the Constitution. Engaged in censorship and manipulation of the press. Mockingly compared with lower primates. Pressured for a key Cabinet Advisor’s resignation. Of course, we’re referring to Lincoln.â€
And Bush has been compared to Lincoln lately, now we can all see why.
February 28th, 2008 at 6:43 pmAs wartime presidents, Lincoln and Bush could hardly be more different. Bush seeks sycophancy from his generals. Lincoln sought results. Bush doesn’t appear to give a damn about results as long as he can maximize whatever political options there are.
February 28th, 2008 at 6:45 pmI’d like to cut Tony some slack because of his medical issues……..but……..I think he needs his meds dosage tweaked a little. He’s clearly delusional.
February 28th, 2008 at 7:01 pmYeah . . . so was Hitler, and Stalin, and Mussolini, and Nero . . . and Bush and the Republicans.
February 28th, 2008 at 7:29 pmLincoln, Truman, and Bush.
Three Presidents who were hated during their time in office, but two were and one will be adored and admired later.
February 28th, 2008 at 7:31 pmLincoln, Truman, and Bush.
Three Presidents who were hated during their time in office, but two were and one will be adored and admired later.
Comment by muckdog — February 28, 2008 @ 7:31 pm
Try Buchanan, Hoover and Bush.
Three presidents who were ridiculed during their time in office, and whose missteps led to disasters of historical proportions for the nation.
February 28th, 2008 at 7:41 pmgg provided the link, but of course neglected to cite the source.
http://www.christianconservativeeditor.com/lincolnbookad.htm
poor scholarship is a conservative (bush) hallmark.
eh?
February 28th, 2008 at 7:48 pmnice one, joe. Did you check out the guy’s “assignments I’m looking for”?
February 28th, 2008 at 7:56 pmi did notice that ralph. maybe gg can help him out here.
(from thomas c. hanson’s website)
I am looking for ONE GOOD MONTHLY PUBLICATION to edit and lay out that does any of the following:
1) exalt Jesus Christ
2) help spread the gospel
3) promote Christian and family values
4) promote America’s Christian heritage
(what do you say gg, got anything for your buddy?)
February 28th, 2008 at 8:04 pm56. RUCerious, 57. Belac - Barbara Bush’s maiden name was Pierce. Direct descendant of President Pierce - the only sitting president to be denied re-nomination by his own party. -
You can look up Babs in wikipedia and follow the pedigree back.
Genetic ?
February 28th, 2008 at 9:00 pmLincoln won the Civil war and did it in less time than Bush has been trying to catch ONE PERSON.
Bush has lost every war he’s started - even the wrong one (no WMD in Iraq) he started thinking it was some sort of slam dunk Mission Accomplished. And let’s not split hairs on that - somebody else is going to have to win them so he LOST them.
And as if we have to ask - where is Osama Bin Laden?
Bush and Lincoln - good freaking luck with that!
February 28th, 2008 at 9:15 pm#74: muckdog:
Lincoln was extremely [un]popular. Your citing of the 1864 election is hillarious.
The Southern states weren’t allowed to vote in the 1864 election, morons.
“The election of 1864 was conducted during the Civil War, and as such, none of the states which made up the Confederate states participated.â€
“Hillarious”, eh? Home-skooled, perchance?
But I’d point out that — in the South — a large part of the population “weren’t allowed to vote”, period. So how you can claim Lincoln was unpopular based on your unsupported bald assertion as to Southern sentiment is beyond me.
Cheers,
February 28th, 2008 at 9:43 pmI agree with Snow, Gonzale and Rove. He is just like Lincoln . . . Lincoln Rockwell!
February 28th, 2008 at 10:32 pmComment by dottoreholliday — February 28, 2008 @ 10:32 pm
good point!
(i think gg would agree!)
February 28th, 2008 at 11:15 pmI tell you… I really would like to smoke what these right-wing crooks smoke! What I smoke does not make reality go away… not on that delusional way…!
February 28th, 2008 at 11:26 pmYeah, but at least they KILLED Lincoln.
February 29th, 2008 at 1:32 pm